zealot-class

[buoyant pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-magic-lion-witch-narnia-dont-recite-gif-14879671

[misty nova]

Like

Fr fr

[stone fern]

Ie spamming the same attack over and over again

[placid fiber]

because the former is the part that really sells how bad it is

[copper hawk]

Le epic green text

[mighty mesa]

okay whats the dumpstat on shotgun (double barrel)

[copper hawk]

Damage

[stone fern]

mobility

[modern lintel]

is their a diff between bromentum and deathblow

[copper hawk]

Noooh nooh . ..

[stone fern]

no

[drowsy steppe]

noperino

[misty nova]

Nope

[placid fiber]

I was 100% saying what I thought I was saying, tho, cica lol

[mighty mesa]

KEK

[drowsy steppe]

based

[stone fern]

deathblow is fatshark thinking brutal momentum sounded stupid on an edged weapon then forgot about their new blessing

so you have brutal on rashad

[buoyant pecan]

Blessing so nice you make it twice

[modern lintel]

i think take a swing needs to be on more weapons

[odd epoch]

VERY close combat*

[placid fiber]

doesn't range affect close ranged damage as well?

[misty nova]

Real

[drowsy steppe]

incentivize perfect block gameplay 🙂

[stone fern]

so tru so tru such a good blessing put brutal on everyone weapon

bolter? brutal momentum

[mighty root]

Deathblow for the dclaw

[misty nova]

Take a Swing and All or Nothing

💯

[placid fiber]

lol

[stone fern]

speaking of blessings

[odd epoch]

oh

4x

[stone fern]

when the hell are they gonna fix thrust on crusher

[mighty root]

Why are you using thrust on it

[modern lintel]

also superiority complex i somehow didnt know existed till last night needs on other shit

[stone fern]

im not

i just want it to be fixed

[mighty root]

[stone fern]

it works WRONG

because the empowered attack registers as two attacks not one

so only one gets empowered

[placid fiber]

vt2 lol

[copper hawk]

I think we should deincentivize gameplay

Give every wpn brutal meowmentum

And Sludgeblow

[copper hawk]

Yawns at all of these

[drowsy steppe]

we were this close to greatness

[copper hawk]

Swift Slaying for me

[placid fiber]

I love it when I spray in less of an are- wait...

[modern lintel]

going to put you in industrial grade meat grinder

[drowsy steppe]

swift slaying was the shit on sword and dagger kerilian

[stone fern]

run n gun is real

[mighty mesa]

wut blessings and perks do u want on a dubble trubble shotgunn

[stone fern]

but it also needs to let you reload while running

[placid fiber]

true... 20% more attack speed on crit would suck on top of chastise marty and 10% attack speed...

[obsidian prairie]

Swift slaying was the shit on 90% of weapons

[mighty mesa]

this is very tru

[placid fiber]

99% of them actually

[copper hawk]

Except like

Some shield wpns

On ironbreaker

[placid fiber]

even then it was better

[mighty mesa]

i dont think i used it on spear and shield tho

[copper hawk]

I used it on ironbreaker

[placid fiber]

axe and shield ironbreaker gameplay

[copper hawk]

You could hit stagger breakpoints on sv and cw's

[drowsy steppe]

iirc I had opportunist on spear shield hm

[mighty mesa]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dc24636-7603-4413-9d61-f8b6463decfb/havoc-auric-maelstrom-tank wut is this?

[tepid sorrel]

it's certainly something

[mighty mesa]

its troll no?

[copper hawk]

Look inside

[placid fiber]

axe and shield ironbreaker gameplay... heavy attack for temp health/staggering hordes, light spam for the rest

[obsidian prairie]

Oh my gods it’s so bad

[copper hawk]

leakage and lockout boomboom

Immediately close

[tepid sorrel]

im just not looking

[obsidian prairie]

As soon as I saw the picture I knew

[obsidian prairie]

Gets worse

[copper hawk]

Man

I looked

[drowsy steppe]

bringing those 2 blessings on relic to havoc is crazy

[copper hawk]

That's. That's terrible

[obsidian prairie]

Disdain instead of duelist

[remote lark]

Erm actually

[copper hawk]

Easiest pick going right instead of left on the beacon shit talent taxes

Eugh

[drowsy steppe]

especially if the expected value of the build is up to havoc 40

[placid fiber]

not a fan of leakage I see...

[copper hawk]

Yah disdain and no duelist

[placid fiber]

😏

[misty nova]

Deathspitter Both Barrels

[copper hawk]

Wait

[misty nova]

Or

[modern lintel]

gameslantern and its catastrophic effects on modern society

[copper hawk]

No twbs

[misty nova]

Man stopper Scattershot

[obsidian prairie]

You know it’s bad when you’ve got Cica talking normal

[copper hawk]

Hittin that w a downvote

[copper hawk]

Mby it's a havoc build for sub 10

[hard nexus]

ouuuughhhh

[obsidian prairie]

Oh yeah that’s possible

[hard nexus]

im leaaaakkkkiiiiing

[drowsy steppe]

wait

[copper hawk]

:<

[drowsy steppe]

wait

[remote lark]

What in gods name is this trash

[copper hawk]

Frown

[drowsy steppe]

+1 wound curio and +2 wound node

[obsidian prairie]

And you can run anything for auric so maybe they’re right

[remote lark]

Shit like this makes me feel elitist

[drowsy steppe]

pain

[copper hawk]

Nal

Mal

Give them ur relic build

[drowsy steppe]

no

[copper hawk]

For hav 40

[drowsy steppe]

no

[copper hawk]

Y not .

[drowsy steppe]

its my treasured build..

[copper hawk]

Elitist ancient grub..

Ziiiiigh..

[placid fiber]

In other words it sucks

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/thistle-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-thistle-dm-thistle-dungeon-meshi-gif-12415930457892205157

[mighty mesa]

how come u got for deathspitter instead of like run n gun

[drowsy steppe]

no..

[placid fiber]

it must cause you are too afraid to show it

[wispy ermine]

does this work for all abilities or just fury of the faithful?

[misty nova]

Strength

[copper hawk]

All ults

[wispy ermine]

dungeon meshi lezgo

[placid fiber]

it's cd rate, not cd rate on chastise only

[mighty mesa]

guessing strength is better than most other things?

[drowsy steppe]

if I was being asked by someone sure

[mighty root]

This made me feel ill

[copper hawk]

I'll

Ohohohoho

[mighty root]

Be nice to me?

[mighty mesa]

that build just gets worse and worse the longer u look at it

[drowsy steppe]

theres good picks mostly

[drowsy steppe]

just the person behind the build isnt knowledgeable too much

[copper hawk]

That video is a classic

[placid fiber]

I love taking emotes and making them huge lol

[misty nova]

Yes because Strength is Damage, Cleave and Stagger

[placid fiber]

wait I got an idea

[mighty mesa]

ah thanks for tellin me 😄

[placid fiber]

🍆

[twin wagon]

ELF

I SAW WHAT YOU DID DARK

wait

wtf where did it go

👀

[placid fiber]

lol

[mighty mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/kerillian-elf-twerk-warhammer-vermintide-gif-15519385

[placid fiber]

this? @twin wagon

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/venti-genshin-genshin-impact-genshit-fartpact-cringe-gif-21418027

[twin wagon]

no

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762816022616080386/1320765807005007913/tumblr_e2f980731375ee555c81af325b52f4e7_07ddaef8_540.webp

[twin wagon]

Bark posted something for half a sec

[placid fiber]

wasn't me then lol

do I look like bark?

[copper hawk]

Yah

[twin wagon]

No

[drowsy steppe]

Yah

[copper hawk]

Yah

[twin wagon]

Bark tho

[placid fiber]

lol

cica stop barking up the wrong tree

:/

[drowsy steppe]

Im in the thick of it..

[copper hawk]

Bark.net has a uh

Vry evil nickname

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/bark-woof-anime-bark-anime-dog-dog-gif-1166708763540793985

[placid fiber]

Cica... that sounds like an elicit website coming from you >.>

[mighty mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-dio-brando-wryy-jojos-bizarre-adventures-gif-15566845

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

Guy named tren

Flexing in his pfp

[drowsy steppe]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db9a1d8-bcd9-472e-bb13-4cb2ad5ad7e2/havoc-chorus-relic-sword-if-your-team-isnt-killing-distant-gunners-and-specials-they-suck ok my own take on that havoc relic chorus build Breadsworth posted earlier

[copper hawk]

Checks out

[placid fiber]

Yeah it does lol

I'll give you that one

[mighty root]

[drowsy steppe]

I just realized how insane my own build is

[placid fiber]

This is easier on the eyes than that other guy's build lol

[drowsy steppe]

flamer + immo

maybe I am too elitist

[placid fiber]

also: wouldn't scourge be better with cd rate on crit than 50% more melee toughness kill?

[modern lintel]

no everlasting flames while using piety

cooked

[drowsy steppe]

probably

[placid fiber]

Then again it's the relic blade right?

[tepid sorrel]

ya

[placid fiber]

so 50 50

[drowsy steppe]

oh yea you right

I didnt think of scourge while making it

theres a readjustment for later

Im not changing immo to tknives tho 🙂

[placid fiber]

I am good at pointing out things like that due to adhd lol

[remote lark]

@drowsy steppe

what melee?

[drowsy steppe]

what melee what

[remote lark]

relic can't really stack scourge

if that's what yall are talking about

hits too slow

kills too good

[drowsy steppe]

ok I will just field test it later

[gleaming furnace]

Hits too hard to stack scourge

[copper hawk]

Rlly missing out on that last piety node

[remote lark]

yeah you'll hardly ever cap out scourge and it'll keep expiring on u

you could.. spend that point..

on..

a...

Att....

[drowsy steppe]

it has 10% attack speed

you dingus

[remote lark]

:D

[drowsy steppe]

costed me everything..

[mighty root]

Blood redemption

[drowsy steppe]

(1 talent point)

[remote lark]

Die

[mighty root]

[drowsy steppe]

ok sell me everlasting flames

[copper hawk]

W/o scourge w relic not bein able 2 stack scourge

But idk what id sacrifice

No ff..

FUCK !!

[modern lintel]

um flamer go burrr obviously

[mighty root]

I asked another scourge and relic before

[drowsy steppe]

what does it do

[modern lintel]

never have to reload

[copper hawk]

It funny gimmick

Datz it

Imagine showstopper scaled w enemy hp

,,

More hp bigger splosion more dmg ,, if only ,,

[mighty root]

I asked if it was more useful to take blood redemption because it can’t keep scourge up

[copper hawk]

Probs

Idk man

Why does piety have two extra nodes

Why !!!

[modern lintel]

crit maxxing

[placid fiber]

crit dr and scrouge to 50% more melee toughness kill... and the extra 10% crit chance for the 10% attack speed?

that's all I can think of

[copper hawk]

15% crit chance is so ass though

[placid fiber]

or keep scourge with it anyway

[remote lark]

Look my pins

Take stalwart and ditch last piety node

[placid fiber]

I mean... the relic doesn't really swing fast enough to get as much benefit from temporary 25% crit as opposed to permanent 10% attack speed with 15% crit

[remote lark]

U don't need crits

[copper hawk]

I knowe

[remote lark]

Crits r nice but mainly it's to keep ur tdr and invoc up

[placid fiber]

It's tough cuz sacrifices would be made with that

[copper hawk]

It's just so bleh tryin 2 make it work w piety

[modern lintel]

just fotf spam

[copper hawk]

I guess the time it tskes for tdr 2 go down by then u'd mathematically get another crit eventually

Before the timer tuns out

[remote lark]

#zealot-class message

[copper hawk]

Runs*

[remote lark]

Use mk10 and light spam

Yes

The whole point of piety is just to maintain invoc cdr and enduring faith tdr

So u take stalwart cause why not

[placid fiber]

It's just... what do you want more: permanent faster attacking or 10% bonus crit that isn't even up all the time?

[remote lark]

Gives u an extra point for fotf

[copper hawk]

It all so moldsome

[remote lark]

IJ is really mid on relic

[copper hawk]

I hate zeal tree,,

[remote lark]

Piety is it's best keystone

I did a ton of spreadsheets for horde clear bps

[placid fiber]

yeah it's a tough choice cause the 10% crit could proc cd rate enough to get 20% attack speed back faster... but 10% attack speed all the time would help get piety up faster as well

[remote lark]

I have a suggestion

Cursed route

[placid fiber]

You could also drop holy rev

[remote lark]

Don't do that

Drop twbs if you're using mk10

[placid fiber]

I don't advise it

[remote lark]

You don't need it

[placid fiber]

It's just there

[copper hawk]

@spare talon

[remote lark]

After the changes u don't take twbs on any light attack spamming weapons

[copper hawk]

This gif kinda u coded

[remote lark]

Moldatrice...

[placid fiber]

the only reason I even thought of it cause at high havoc if the rest of your team is dead you're generally dead even with the hp from holy rev... 99% of the time

[remote lark]

ur horde clear as zealot
don't do that

you die first or ur playing wrong

(Dont die)

[placid fiber]

zealot tree is very tight on points for havoc

[copper hawk]

Do damage dont die

[remote lark]

if u play well enough Rev also gives u a ton of cheese options and immortality

[copper hawk]

Woa..

Tanner reference..

[river jackal]

Shouty people

If I want to get into funny shroudfield gameplay, is anyone able to recommend a build for Havoc 40?

[copper hawk]

Yah

[remote lark]

Please don't use shroudfield on havoc 40

[copper hawk]

One without shroudfield

[placid fiber]

not for havoc

[copper hawk]

That's 100% throwing for 40

[remote lark]

I'll literally show up at ur house and murder u

[modern lintel]

is literally harmless

[copper hawk]

Lmfak

[remote lark]

Grrr!

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

Good ass sticker

[placid fiber]

like... shroudfield outside of havoc? Sure, there's plenty of ways you could do it. But for havoc? No, not really any that I can think of @river jackal

[river jackal]

I am trying to carry for some people basically

[remote lark]

Dont

Carry with a real build

[copper hawk]

Use chorus if that's what u want to do

[river jackal]

And it dawned on me funny shroudfield might lend to that capacity

[placid fiber]

I'm pretty sure both chastise and the middle career would do it better

and easier

[misty nova]

Thunder hammer time (you will suffer)

[hushed knoll]

Why is Cica so collectible and cute

[copper hawk]

W

What ?

What is w ppl and me today ??!

[remote lark]

Taking shroudfield puts extra weight on ur team when u should be taking chorus for gold toughness and team survivability

[copper hawk]

WHAT I DO ???

[remote lark]

You'll be actively killing the ppl u want to carry

@river jackal

[copper hawk]

[river jackal]

The enemies are doing that anyway

That's kind of the point

[copper hawk]

Oh

U dont want a carry

[remote lark]

Then they shouldn't be in havoc 40

[copper hawk]

U want a corpse drag

[remote lark]

Ngl

[river jackal]

Effectively

[remote lark]

But I'd still recommend fotf

And generic pathing

[copper hawk]

Bathing

[misty nova]

Anyways you could port Martyrdom to IJ of something

[copper hawk]

Ohohohoho..

[pale spindle]

I have a Havoc build

[remote lark]

Shroud just sucks and proper loopimg would do better

[placid fiber]

what's funny is 1 talent point would get you from benediction to shroudfield instead of taking loner and the stagger talent after twbs... but there are only a few ways that could be done... minus the 20% unyielding and infested damage is the only one I could recommend in good faith lol

[river jackal]

I can carry on Ogryn reasonably well with taunt but for people who insist on being super mega turbo dead all the time, it's rough

[remote lark]

But

[misty nova]

Yeah pretty sure we went through this already 💀

[placid fiber]

or minus duelist cause bad thammer finesse damage

[remote lark]

If you really wanted to never die

Agile taxe sounds pretty cheese

Just..... slow

[pale spindle]

Yall want me to show it?

🤓

[remote lark]

You better have good map knowledge

[turbid grove]

everytime i hear this voice line...

[copper hawk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da488ca-149d-448a-bd52-dfe4f41d7f95/zealot-havoc-carry-build

My shameless build plug

[copper hawk]

Zure

[pale spindle]

OK

[copper hawk]

Nurgle boutta btfo khorne from takin his thundet

Thunder

[placid fiber]

man without duellist this looks so sus lol

even for a thammer

[pale spindle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ce25c43-a636-4463-b1bc-dfab68cf8a66/max-impact?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[placid fiber]

could do this tho

[river jackal]

Honestly I was planning on basically just turbo speedrunning

[copper hawk]

W ur friends i guess a traditional shroudfield knife speedrun build

But in normal gameplay im gonna be real

If I see that build im kicking you

[misty nova]

Wouldn't stealth vet be better then?
10 seconds of invisibility

Twice

[copper hawk]

Like normal party finder hav 40

[river jackal]

It isn't even for my friends, they're good enough - moreso just some people I'm aware of having le depression because they can't get into 40 (because Ogryn racism)

[copper hawk]

If i see a traditional shroudfield, or any shroudfield, im going to ask nicely if you could please swap

[misty nova]

*8 seconds

[placid fiber]

I have only seen stealth vet be used once... and it was used for a god-tier clutch after I did an initial clutch for a shock gauntlet heresy run on my lvl 19 zealot

[river jackal]

Zealot gets access to invis a whole lot more often if you're using backstab regen

[placid fiber]

the vet was like level 21 or something

[copper hawk]

Please dont use shroudfield to carry ppl in 40 :<

I implore u 2 reconsider

[placid fiber]

that fucker played better than most randos I've ever seen in all of my 1.8k hours

[copper hawk]

It teaches players not ready for 40 terrible things

And will perpetuate shroudfield in Hav40

[placid fiber]

and I mean the good randos

[copper hawk]

Show them how it's done w a chastise dps or a chorus safety net build

[placid fiber]

we won that run too lol

[river jackal]

Just feel bad for some of the people who are hardstuck at certain havocs, wanna try and give em some Christmas cheer lol

[copper hawk]

At the end of the day it's ur choice and the best recommendation for speedrunning would be the traditional combat blade shroudfield cdr build

[placid fiber]

I'm stuck at lvl 16 havoc... cuz I don't want to play havoc in the first place lol

[copper hawk]

Tell them to just play more

Or make good builds for them

[river jackal]

I play Havoc despite not liking it to teach it a lesson

[copper hawk]

Havoc 40 is meant to be really hard

If I can do it on Ogryn then anyone can - they just need practice

[placid fiber]

I only play darktide to have fun nowadays, and havoc isn't fun for me. It was an easy decision not to play havoc lol

[copper hawk]

Spread the Christmas cheer by helping them out by being their safety net w chorus

[river jackal]

I take a painful amount of offense at this as an Ogryn main

[copper hawk]

Give a glooper a fish vs teach him how 2 fish analogy etc

[river jackal]

Oggy is great, I just can't literally drag 3 corpses behind me

[placid fiber]

Oggy is great for dragging 3 corpses behind you lol

[copper hawk]

Ogryn is probably

The easiest? Id say for like

Carrying on Hav 40

Mby it's just me

[placid fiber]

I can bring my heavy hitter build to regular damnation and hard carry 3 useless randos without too much difficulty

[copper hawk]

Oggy was the most fun to play in 40 for me

[placid fiber]

and that's despite being hella fucking rusty

[river jackal]

Oh outside of Havoc absolutely

I can just about solo outside of Havoc on Oggy

[copper hawk]

U can carry w hh on 40

[placid fiber]

I'm at like... 1/5th of the skill level I used to be at

[copper hawk]

Ez pz

[river jackal]

Bust my ass carrying a pox gas mutie wave special wave hunting ground auric mael earlier

[placid fiber]

That's the one I got dragged into by yam into an asia server... I fucking solo clutched that run despite not playing aurics or maelstroms almost ever

[river jackal]

I've been using FNP personally just to avoid unexpexted mini gunner chip

[copper hawk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9daf6529-6b9f-4cfe-99b2-cf469e809a96/the-build-i-first-tryd-h40-with

[placid fiber]

200 fucking ping and I still pulled that solo clutch off while being this rusty lol

[pale spindle]

Wtf are these pictures

[placid fiber]

God that run was cursed

I took 2.2k damage that run and only went down once at the very end boss fight

[river jackal]

I don't want to recount how many times my team got netted

[misty nova]

💀

[river jackal]

I really don't.

[river jackal]

I just know I killed like genuinely over 100 disablers that game

[placid fiber]

I still have ptsd from that run

[placid fiber]

god I'm at like 1/5th my old skill level and I still pulled that off

[river jackal]

Frontlining on Ogryn is genuinely the most fun a human can have in this game

Imo

[placid fiber]

I'm every fucking line when I play as needed lol

[river jackal]

Now if FS will just give me a reason to use anything other than shield H1 cancel

🙏

[placid fiber]

front line, back line, mid line, support... I'm any position I need to be in

doesn't matter what class I play

[river jackal]

The lil uns I was with eventually saw sufficient sense to let me lead the line

[placid fiber]

I fucking fight tooth and claw to survive x.x

It's really stressful being a panic gamer doing a solo clutch >.>'

[river jackal]

Lmao

[placid fiber]

already at high level of panic that goes to the next level x.x

[river jackal]

When that health bar gets low I start busting some crazy moves

I get it

[placid fiber]

I can be legit pouring in sweat sometimes

[river jackal]

I have genuinely considered that one Ogryn talent

That just 2x every toughness source

Below 33% hp

For clutching

[placid fiber]

I was at below 33% hp that one maelstrom I did lol

would have probably helped

[river jackal]

40% tough for every shield h1 cancel?

Insane

[placid fiber]

I had my pickaxe and gorgon twin linked(this was before the non-twin linked stubbers)

[river jackal]

I don't think a number of ragers exists that this game could send at me on Ogryn

[placid fiber]

lemme see if I still have the scoreboard for that run

[river jackal]

And actually have me sweat

Crushers get a little dicey with shield but

Rumbler my beloved steed

Stagger tool to the stars

[placid fiber]

oh wait here it is

fucking had 150-200 ping that whole run

[final mural]

god that scoreboard mod hurts to look at

[river jackal]

Poor Argus man

That dude did not know what he signed up for

[placid fiber]

this is like 3 scoreboard mods on this iirc

[placid fiber]

Yeah lol

he had the same ping I had lol

[hollow zodiac]

What a pity that console players can’t see the statistics of the team :[

[placid fiber]

Yeah

Not unless one of us tells them

[hollow zodiac]

True

[river jackal]

I actually came from SM2 to Darktide and I was

Pretty agast that this game doesn't show you data that it collects

[placid fiber]

Man you missed out on a lot of shit lol

[river jackal]

They have the data

[placid fiber]

back at like 1.2k hours in darktide I was at high shock gauntlet solo clutch level of skill

without much problem

on damnation

[river jackal]

I mean if you check my join date to server that's like 3 days after I got the game

Already doing Havoc 40 on Oggy 💪

[placid fiber]

I'd still be pouring in sweat, but, it was a lot easier for me back then

[river jackal]

My love affair with Ogryn is such that I would actually have to invest a not insignificant amount of time unlearning Ogryn habits to play other classes

[gleaming kelp]

Bolters in DT showed me the kind of monsters SMs can be to one hand those things. If only they weren't so middling in SM2

[river jackal]

Funny enough

What made me aware of Darktide was a video of it titled "Why can't SM2 make Bolter feel like this"

And it was a cracked out Zealot just going to town with spearhead

[placid fiber]

I remember bolter vets when pinning fire was still 20% power per stack... they pulled off some omega insane shit

[river jackal]

But yeah I must say

When I play non Ogryn classes

Idk how yall get by man

Where is your toughness gen

[placid fiber]

that level of power in a space marine's hands... only stronger... I can imagine it

[river jackal]

I punch enemy and get refunded like 50 toughness

[gleaming kelp]

20 per stack.....gatdamn

[placid fiber]

Yeah

pinning was broken af

that was the only time the autopistol was good

[river jackal]

Got to a point where I think you were here the other day Dark

I was trying to emulate Ogryn tanking on Zealot

[placid fiber]

Yeah it's not possible

we're dodge tanks, not face tanks

I remember

[gleaming kelp]

Especially with duelist

[river jackal]

There just isn't the facility to replicate the sheer survivability of Ogryn in the same situation

[river jackal]

Not to mention

Attention seeker is a divine power bestowed upon the Ogryn by the Big E himself

Feels weird not having it

[placid fiber]

I mean zealots can pull even more insane clutches off than ogryn, at the cost of not being able to have the same survival face-tanking levels

like face tanking 20 poxbursters lol

due to until death

[river jackal]

I can still do really well on human classes but there have been situations when I've been downed that just have me sat there like "On Ogryn I totally live to see the other side of that"

[gleaming kelp]

Ogryn will live while everybody pulls off warp daemon/named space marines shenanigans

[river jackal]

Silent Crusher overheads most principally of all

[placid fiber]

It's just you can't rely on being able to tank a hit as often on human classes

Once you understand that much... you can pull way more insane shit off

[river jackal]

Zealot until death makes me happy on that because it's like

The anti bullshit perk

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[gleaming kelp]

Isn't the main form of locomotion sliding anyway after heresy

[river jackal]

No Mr silent crusher

I will not be dying to your overhead

[placid fiber]

It's the one thing ogryns don't have: death defy

[river jackal]

Thank you

[placid fiber]

meanwhile ogryn just face tanks it due to 20% base dr and 30% dr against ogryn enemies

[river jackal]

+like

A bunch of other DR sources

FNP is another flat 25

[placid fiber]

I don't use fnp

cuz I haven't needed the tankiness generally

[river jackal]

I use FNP religiously in Havoc 40

[gleaming kelp]

Mixed hordes are fun as a ogryn. It's just business as usual

[placid fiber]

well havoc 40 is a different beast

[river jackal]

Havoc 40 is where Ogryn tankiness becomes somewhat questionable

FNP fixes that issue entirely

For the mostpart anyway

[placid fiber]

3 ragers in the horde...? keeps heavying with my karsolas pickaxe

[gleaming kelp]

Keep on mining, big man.

[river jackal]

The push node just above FNP is amazing

Every 8 seconds I get a free stagger to every human enemy on their ass

[placid fiber]

If I pushed more I'd probably consider it

I almost never push tho on oggy

I just heavy spam

or light spam on my gunlugger

[river jackal]

I push a lot because attention seeker + FNP

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[hearty nebula]

holy fucking shit

[river jackal]

I have 2 perks that reward me in Spades for pushing

[gleaming kelp]

Push dogs all day

[placid fiber]

For that kinda build it's good to be pushing

[maiden latch]

What melee weapons are best on zealot for crowd control?

[remote lark]

Relic blade

[hearty nebula]

relic blade

[remote lark]

Read pin

[placid fiber]

relic blade, crusher

[river jackal]

Relic Blade and probably MKX

[mighty root]

They just saw me shirtless btw

[mighty root]

Relic

[river jackal]

@placid fiber I will say though the tankiness isn't as much of an issue as the stagger when coming off of Ogryn

[maiden latch]

sounds like I'll be trying relic blade lol

[river jackal]

Human classes see Ragers as a very real threat

For me it's just another tuesday

[placid fiber]

human classes? dreg ragers are dangerous unless autopistol lol

[hearty nebula]

thank you fatshark

[mighty root]

I still charge ragers as all my classes

[gleaming kelp]

"rage about that!"

[placid fiber]

autopistol is the hard counter to surprise trappers and dreg ragers

unironically

[river jackal]

It got to the point where I was running MKII Relic Blade not for hordes

But specifically to rager stagger combo

[placid fiber]

it might be the worst zealot ranged weapon, but, it hard counters those 2 things

[river jackal]

Tbh

Flamer fucks up ragers too

[placid fiber]

yeah rager is good too

[river jackal]

Back dodge and light em up

[placid fiber]

I'm just saying those 2 things specifically are what the autopistol does best

besides toughness generation

[river jackal]

I mean revolver is also nice for Ragers right?

Just pop em

[remote lark]

Both can do that

[placid fiber]

Yeah, it's just you are more screwed by misses with the revolver

autopistol you just reaim as you are shooting

[remote lark]

Mkx has horizontal heavy loop

[river jackal]

So don't miss

[placid fiber]

but the autopistol also sucks, unlike the revolver

[remote lark]

[placid fiber]

As an autopistol user I know the strengths of it... the 2 things it does good lol

and the... 3049853049 things it does bad lol

[river jackal]

Also just back to funny shroudfield discussion from earlier

[placid fiber]

And even with those 2 strengths being the only things you are after: I still don't recommend the autopistol

[river jackal]

I play Sniper in SM2

Wanna guess how often the enemies can look at me?

[placid fiber]

hm...

burrowing type ones?

[gleaming kelp]

When is it ever a good choice to go chainaxe. I like it esthetically but everything seems to outperform it

[placid fiber]

only lol

or bosses

[river jackal]

I use it with Stalker Bolter too

So I am a Ravegers nightmare

[placid fiber]

idk if there are burrowing enemies, but, it's tyranids so I am not counting them out for sm2 enemies

[river jackal]

Also

They still can't see me

Sniper invis in sm2 is like

Effectively infinite

[gleaming kelp]

Surprised you're not a Bulwark

[river jackal]

Imagine you replaced the backstab requirement of shroudfield with kill

And that's SM2 sniper lmao

[river jackal]

Sniper in SM2 was just

Very good at carrying

Bulwark also but

Sniper allowed you to basically solo the entire mission, bad teammates be damned

I still remember I had a fight on sniper as last man standing vs like

10 majoris and maybe 4 extremis when Lethal first came out

• a massive horde

[gleaming kelp]

I like me flag revives

[river jackal]

And team was in the chat just going nuts because I didn't run away

I damn well killed it all lol

I was hoping invisibility builds in this game would feel similar

But alas Fatshark actually balances their game

So back to Bulwark gameplay

Zealot would be very bulwarky if they had a sword and board

Which I think is a massive missed opportunity

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[gleaming kelp]

It actually starts getting a bit harder for Bulwark due to the enraged mechanic in Lethal.

[hard nexus]

stealth in darktide can easily solo missions

like

absurdly easily

[river jackal]

Oh I know it can

[frosty herald]

playing bulwark in sm2

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[river jackal]

But it isn't like SM2 stealth

SM2 stealth can be 100% uptime if you play correctly

[frosty herald]

complete ruthless with 1 hit from a neuranthrope

[river jackal]

No vulnerability

[hard nexus]

you can get close

but thats fair

[river jackal]

I could probably do some combat blade bullshit for cheap backstabs on poxwalkers

But where's the fun in that

[hard nexus]

backstab CDR has a 5 second cooldown

[river jackal]

Ah yes, something the game 100% told me

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[river jackal]

Thank you Fatshark

[hard nexus]

[river jackal]

Iirc

You can still get 2 hits from stealth with tech

[gleaming kelp]

Ferret

[hard nexus]

yeah

[river jackal]

But that still leaves a window of what

5 seconds later you'll have recharged 5 seconds of ability and then further 20%

[hard nexus]

5 seconds of stealth, stealth has an effective 10 second cooldown due to invocation of death

[gleaming kelp]

I'm convinced you're actually a ferret playing DT

[hard nexus]

you can make it an 8 second cooldown if you add pious cutthroat

[river jackal]

Could you go full bullshit and stack invocation with the backstab cdr

[hard nexus]

yes

[river jackal]

Yeah lol

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferrt-hacking-gif-18303105

[hard nexus]

but that only removes 2 seconds

[fleet zealot]

what could give you that impression

[hard nexus]

not worth the 2 points imo

[fleet zealot]

i'm actually playing poe2

[gleaming kelp]

Live Bandit cam

[river jackal]

To be honest

If you're speedrunning with combat blade

That's probably enough uptime

[hard nexus]

speedrunning requires no skill

[river jackal]

Yeah I gathered

I had a speedrun Zealot in my lobby earlier

[river jackal]

That mf was running so fast I thought he was cheating

[river jackal]

With that many hours I think you ought to do what the button says

[gleaming kelp]

How you liking 1999?

[river jackal]

Warframe is very fun until you build an infinite iron skin build and realise Rhino is objectively the strongest frame in the game in an almost infallible sense

[mighty mesa]

i tihnk its kindah fun, though im a bit dissappointed in that its another syndicate grind

[river jackal]

How DE haven't caught on to the fact I can just regenerate 20 million EHP in regular steel path missions is.. concerning

[mighty mesa]

though my Gemussy is poppin, so im gud

[river jackal]

@mighty mesa did DE decide to make any challenging content yet

[gleaming kelp]

Yeah yeah, ehp but who needs that when your weapons do max integer

[river jackal]

I raise you, both

[mighty mesa]

nah, with my build i can solo everything still

[river jackal]

My Rhino can do both what I said and what you said

[gleaming kelp]

Or you can go revenant and have nothing fight you

[river jackal]

Infinite damage infinite health

Infinite CC as well actually

DE, please

[mighty mesa]

im best at rizzing the goth lady

[leaden pebble]

what are y'all's favorite ranged options for havoc? other than bolter/flamer preferably

[gleaming kelp]

That counts me out haha

[river jackal]

When I do get on

Me and Aoi getting nasty with it

Better believe.

[river jackal]

Agripna or however you say it is apparently quite good

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-seething-gif-12561575059474066401

u are absolutely right

[gleaming kelp]

Wizard man generates overguard and nukes rooms

[leaden pebble]

been using the bolter for boss dmg, but feel like we dont rly need it
and flamer feels a bit redundant for our comp as well

[mighty mesa]

Aoi is very cute in texts

[leaden pebble]

which agripna?

[river jackal]

You know what they say, cute in the streets...

[river jackal]

Forgor

Horrified which Agripna is meta

[gleaming kelp]

Nova has been my go to since the light rework. I don't need to build for speed or slow, I have both

[river jackal]

I asked you so you are now obligated to know

Iirc it's the one with lowest ROF

For ammo econ

[fleet zealot]

there is a gazillion agri

[mighty mesa]

Aoi likes me i think

[fleet zealot]

but the best one is brauto iirc

[frosty herald]

this is maincord lmfao

[modern lintel]

[gleaming kelp]

Um....????

[river jackal]

I saved that

Sending it to my gf

[gleaming kelp]

Is that a threat or......

[river jackal]

You are dawdling across a line awfully close to heresy

[gleaming kelp]

I wholly blame this chat

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/dokibird-confused-vtuber-nijisanji-hololive-gif-16805891220657949602

[misty nova]

Lmao

[gleaming kelp]

Which vtub is this

[copper hawk]

Vglub

[river jackal]

@copper hawk I decided a better way to motivate my friends is to get true survivor instead of carrying them

And then bully them for not having it until they get it

Joke obviously

But yeah not gonna do shroudfield shenanigans

[copper hawk]

:<

[mighty mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwhCaYdsgjk&pp=ygURYmFvIHJlYWN0IHRvIGJhbGQ%3D

[pale spindle]

Ew vtubers

In my holy Zealot chat????

👿

[grizzled aspen]

This is very @light badge coded.

[fleet zealot]

u were the real vtuber all along

https://tenor.com/view/sakamata-chloe-chloe-sakamata-hololive-holox-gif-23958974

[gleaming kelp]

Stinky orca

[pale spindle]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[gleaming kelp]

Orcka secretly is an anime girl

[gleaming kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/sakamata-chloe-chloe-sakamata-hololive-holox-gif-23938922

[pale spindle]

I thought yall were gonna post Lily

[mighty mesa]

the real vtuber was the one we made along the way

[misty nova]

Jokes on you, I never made a vtuber

It would be to strong for the world to handle anyways

[gleaming kelp]

Because the tuber is you

Inside

[pale spindle]

anime girl avatar

🤮

mechanicus avatar

[gleaming kelp]

Your squishy bits

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fish-izctrl-gif-21698702

[gleaming kelp]

Mechanicus vtuber

[misty nova]

But you speak like Kayex, reaaaaly slooow

[remote lark]

I actually used to be a vtuber

I had a $1k 2d model

[gleaming kelp]

Salad looks a bit.....meaty

[remote lark]

It was really fun

[misty nova]

My kin on the imperium
That's one expensive model

[gleaming kelp]

Was your model your avatar?

[remote lark]

No

It was a live2d of my old non furry character

Before I was corrupted

[pale spindle]

Sigh

[gleaming kelp]

Pre-heresy

[remote lark]

I could sell it.

[misty nova]

"Slightly used Vtuber model"

[remote lark]

"Might need to be lint rolled, covered in pink fur and dust"

[gleaming kelp]

All sales final

[grand tangle]

not sure whether being a vtuber or a furry is more heretical

[remote lark]

depends on if I'm a sanctioned xeno or not

[gleaming kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[opal star]

honestly I don’t think the imperium would really care about either

[gleaming kelp]

So long as you're not a threat to the Imperium. Then they REALLY care

[misty nova]

Servoskull would control a vtuber model

💯

[gleaming kelp]

......I would watch a servoskull tuber

[opal star]

I could not imagine someone like ironmouse becoming a threat to the imperium

…actually yes I could

in the eyes of the ecclesiarchy, at least

[gleaming kelp]

The warp empowered mousie

[buoyant pecan]

youd probably be looked down upon by some. Others wouldnt care. Others still would want you actually dead...so the usual stances.

[opal star]

PSYKER VTUBER COMMITS PERILS OF THE WARP ON SCREEN

[pale spindle]

Average zeentch cultist

[buoyant pecan]

like some purists think the Pyskers who LITERALLY ENABLE WARP TRAVEL should be killed

which is, the dumbest thing

[gleaming kelp]

Even click bait survived in 40k

[opal star]

they’re not gonna believe what Big E is (a psyker)

[pale spindle]

https://youtu.be/JFQeiRnzvcg?si=ivkaEZ0MYFLOQsOV

[pale spindle]

💀

[buoyant pecan]

the Black Templars when you show them that not only is Big E a pysker but all of his Sons are some kinda warp entity

[placid fiber]

Ironmouse... the new ironmon game

[opal star]

steelrodent

[gleaming kelp]

"I am not a god" says the giant glowing gold man with a flaming sword

[buoyant pecan]

And glowing and sunlight suddenly appears only on him and a halo and glowing white eyes and_

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-running-rushing-cat-food-gif-17059384

[copper hawk]

Who's ironmouse

[pale spindle]

I don't know who is worse

Ironmouse or CDAWG

[buoyant pecan]

oh he is accompanied by Sanguinius, the Lion, Vulkan. etc

[placid fiber]

I love how the cat is just like "you seeing this shit?" after the mouse steals some of the food

[pale spindle]

A goblin

[placid fiber]

:3

[copper hawk]

Colon 3

[placid fiber]

you have 3 colons?

[pale spindle]

Space marines do

[placid fiber]

What about cica?

[copper hawk]

: : :

[placid fiber]

Why do you have 6 eyes?

[mighty root]

I’m so selfish with medicade

[misty nova]

Content Creator of the year or something

[placid fiber]

I'm always nervous when I see a link from fyre now lol

[misty nova]

Idk

[pale spindle]

I still can't believe Ironmouse almost won streamer of the year

How far have we fallen?

[mighty root]

Omg

[pale spindle]

😔

[placid fiber]

granted... i'm just always nervous to begin with... so no real change

_>'

[placid fiber]

Probably should have opened with that <.<'

[random belfry]

is building combat blade for bleed actually good? i was happy using riposte and uncanny and apparently it's not good anymore so i switched

[mighty root]

For zealot not really

It’s a meme

[placid fiber]

No, precog, uncanny, and riposte are all better

[random belfry]

yeah felt very lackluster :/

[placid fiber]

without uncanny bleed is even worse

[mighty root]

The best thing to use on zealots knife is precog and riposte

Vet how ever is different

You use mercy killer and uncanny

[random belfry]

oh yeah what about vet

[placid fiber]

vet can get away with mk and precog right? lol

oh mk and uncanny

[random belfry]

but the same kinda playstyle?

[mighty root]

Yeah but mercy killer uncanny is more damage

[hearty nebula]

youtube just recommended "this is sparta! last techno remix" to me from 17 years ago
nature is healing

[random belfry]

since vet naturally has bleed procs on melee or?

[placid fiber]

and even then the bleed is doing almost nothing

[random belfry]

bcs of shredder

[placid fiber]

vet has a talent that applies 1 bleed stack each melee hit yeah

[mighty root]

Kinda? Zealot gets most of his dps form dodge and most characters you always want to be dodging but with vet you just attack

[hearty nebula]

what's the tl;dw

[misty nova]

No
Bleed often bad

[hearty nebula]

no

[random belfry]

man but that perk is all the way after smoke grenade

[hearty nebula]

also isnt riposte uncanny literally the meta pick for combat knives

[mighty root]

Yeah he had a talent that bleeds on hit

[remote lark]

Precog > riposte

[hearty nebula]

or did it change again

[mighty root]

It’s character dependent

[placid fiber]

needs a special build, or extra talent points spent yeah

[mighty root]

On psyker that is what you use tho

[remote lark]

Isn't precog the dmg one and riposte gives u crit chance

Or am I tripping

[mighty root]

Ripoest and uncanny

[mighty root]

Yeah

[placid fiber]

precog is the finesse damage yes

[remote lark]

Then it's precog uncanny

Not riposte uncanny

Unless ur doing IJ

ijchads va pietycels....

[random belfry]

what if i dont include the bleed melee talent on vet?

[mighty root]

Oh yeah you don’t need 90 crit chance lol

[placid fiber]

I think this is for psyker, is what they're saying

[remote lark]

Go ask vet chat about vet things

[random belfry]

do i still go for mk uncanny?

[opal star]

I feel like it should be more like pietychads v ijcels

[random belfry]

ok then

[placid fiber]

if you don't have the bleed talent then it's precog uncanny

[remote lark]

Silence creature

Return to the depths...

[opal star]

You can silence me but you can’t silence the truth

[remote lark]

Watch me

[mighty root]

Well I’d use uncanny/precog with repoist

[remote lark]

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-not-escape-the-truth-jigsaw-the-truth-is-not-escapable-you-cant-hide-from-the-truth-tobin-bell-gif-22083131

[random belfry]

thank you chat

[placid fiber]

[mighty root]

But still going the weapon specialist route is the best for vet especially with the knife

And the talent serrated blade is on that path

[random belfry]

i have been using duelling sword on 3 classes so i got plenty bored lmao

[opal star]

using the meta capstone isn’t chad behavior

[placid fiber]

unless you're going straight to shout

[remote lark]

using the correct capstone is

WRONGCEL

[mighty root]

You’d definitely like mercy killer knife it’s ridiculous

[remote lark]

Ok tanner

[gleaming kelp]

No capstone builds

[mighty root]

[placid fiber]

how do you know how tan they are?

[remote lark]

Fyre sent me bicep pics.

[gleaming kelp]

Spicy

[placid fiber]

Not hearing any complaints about that, yet

[mighty root]

I knew you wanted me

[remote lark]

Can't complain about nothing

Zigh

[placid fiber]

😏

must like it if there's nothing to complain about

[random belfry]

and what perks for combat blades in general btw? maniacs cara?

[remote lark]

u missed the joke

Flak uny

[placid fiber]

No, I ignored it and used my own :3

[remote lark]

[random belfry]

damn

[placid fiber]

I got that you were saying they had no biceps

[mighty root]

I use crit chance and flak or unyielding

[remote lark]

Don't listen to fyre it's flak uny

Yeah I called it

I knew he was about to spew garbage

[placid fiber]

lol

you did

[mighty root]

@random belfry he’s made that I’m better at the game than him

[placid fiber]

yeah use flak unyielding over crit chance + one of the two

[remote lark]

I was better than u back when I first joined this discord with 20 hours

U were so bad ppl blocked u just to not read ur opinions

Leave

[copper hawk]

U cant use zigh

[random belfry]

what enemies are unyielding

[copper hawk]

Zigh is mine..,

[remote lark]

Is it copyrighted

[random belfry]

isnt it just bulwark

[copper hawk]

Bosses, Bulwarks, Reapers

[remote lark]

Bulwark and reaper and all bosses

[placid fiber]

bulwark, bosses(not captains/twins), reapers

[random belfry]

ok

[copper hawk]

Except captains

[remote lark]

It's important because FUCK BULWARKS

[copper hawk]

Only bosses not Unsquealding r El Capitans

[placid fiber]

😳

[gleaming kelp]

Their shields won't let you

[remote lark]

Zigh, zi zm zppressed as zlways

[placid fiber]

Yeah, how u gonna get to their meat behind their shie- wait... I think that's poor wording...

[remote lark]

can we kill this guy

[placid fiber]

Yes

[red swift]

Flak/Unyield with Uncanny/Flesh Piety or Uncanny/Lacerate IJ

flies away

[remote lark]

psyker btw

hnoob...

[random belfry]

does precog do higher dps than uncanny if i was good at dodging and poking heads?

[placid fiber]

Sweet I caught a rare pokemon today

[remote lark]

Uncanny let's you evaporate crushers like 3x fastwr

On psyker u kinda need it

[random belfry]

nice one

[placid fiber]

precog riposte is kinda for piety builds

[remote lark]

THEY ARE A PSYKER

[placid fiber]

otherwise it's more precog + uncanny

[red swift]

piety doesn't need riposte

[remote lark]

They are a psyker

[red swift]

what

[normal wren]

if they are a psyker

[remote lark]

They take riposte uncanny

[visual stream]

Make sure to take piety with that knife

[normal wren]

why are they not in the freak chat

[remote lark]

Omfg

[placid fiber]

lol

[visual stream]

:D

[red swift]

I assume zealot in zealot chat lol

[river jackal]

So when they release Havoc 50 is the title gonna be Truest Survivor?

[normal wren]

[remote lark]

havoc 50 just makes u spawn dead

instant death debuff

[random belfry]

do people actually play matyrdom?

[visual stream]

Speedrunning giving lumi an aneurysm

[placid fiber]

I like how lumi kicked fyre out for giving vet advice and then started giving psyker advice

[normal wren]

nah debuffs stamina

[random belfry]

😨

[normal wren]

0 stamina

[red swift]

I main martyr in havoc 40

[visual stream]

Some

[remote lark]

Yes its really strong if ur good

It scales directly with ur skill

[visual stream]

And also a really good crutch if you're bad

[remote lark]

Good players can end games with <200 damage a game

And not die with martyr

[red swift]

Since I run in and int every game, might as well pick the keystone that compliments it

[normal wren]

j_sat and crew did a run with 3 martyrdom zealots (havok 40)

[red swift]

super fun on relic blade BPs

[remote lark]

hrupcoded

[random belfry]

im fine using piety cuz im horrible 👍

[visual stream]

Ehhh you should not rely on that keystone