zealot-class

[drowsy steppe]

but eh

[shadow ember]

in general? second wind doesnt give me more stats to stack

[placid fiber]

second wind is 15% toughness on dodge, the other is 7.5% toughness per melee kill instead of 5%

[shadow ember]

oh second wind as in the perk

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[shadow ember]

not the second wind giving perk

[placid fiber]

the talent

[drowsy steppe]

twbs, swift certainty and run and gun on bolt pistol

Im literally outrunning DS movement tech

[shadow ember]

so I can throughput toughness so I dont have to block

[north sedge]

What

[placid fiber]

don't look at me

they want less toughness

[acoustic dune]

does this play with the warp greatsword?

[shadow ember]

oh

because I need enduring faith

it probably got cut at some point

[placid fiber]

you need slightly more toughness on a melee kill more than 15% toughness on dodging? lol

[shadow ember]

yes?

I can kill what 2.1 heretics faster than I can dodge

if im mathing it right

[north sedge]

I too want less toughness

[placid fiber]

that's 5% more toughness

than you would have gotten

[shadow ember]

4 heretics than

[placid fiber]

that's 10% more toughness

as opposed to 15%

[shadow ember]

so 8

I cant throughtput dodges

[placid fiber]

oh boy, 20% toughness

as opposed to dodging getting hit

[shadow ember]

:shug:

[north sedge]

Dodging is something you do constantly and you get waaaaay more toughness from second wind

[shadow ember]

one feels better I suppose

to me

[placid fiber]

oh and the relic blade doesn't benefit as much from scourge

[drowsy steppe]

this is better and what I run on havoc 40s. With Relic

[shadow ember]

hum

less than maximum attack speed

[drowsy steppe]

mines a lot more memey with removing extra toughness for swift certainty

[shadow ember]

non maxed sprint and ms

see yours probably is better

[drowsy steppe]

you can remove good balance or twbs for attack speed

[placid fiber]

or a 15 toughness node

better not give them a good build, they seem allergic

[shadow ember]

why would I go for a better build over better (for me) game feel?

im going for a build that plays a certain way

[placid fiber]

idk, good builds suck obviously

back me up dough

[north sedge]

People just don't build craft enough

[shadow ember]

exactly

[north sedge]

Oh no I'm making fun of what you said

[forest compass]

Why can't I post pics here? Is it a permission thing?

[drowsy steppe]

I literally have true survivor you random level 39 party

ACCEPT ME

[placid fiber]

gotta have a red name

[drowsy steppe]

REQUEST DECLINED??

[north sedge]

Can't do pics until you've posted a while

[north sedge]

My life? Me?

[drowsy steppe]

IM DARKY?

[forest compass]

Okay. Well, I have a question. Is 79 Damage, 75 Finess, 77 First target, 74 Mobility and 75 penetration a good combat knife or am I missing breakpoints/utility?

Would be easier to paste the screenshot 🤷‍♂️

[placid fiber]

generally speaking you want mobility to be the dump stat on the knife unless you have uncanny(then you can dump pen)

[forest compass]

So hold out for a better one?

[placid fiber]

It's pretty easy considering you can see the end stats of weapons

[forest compass]

Yeah, this is a lvl 500 by Melk

So it's end stat

[placid fiber]

you can use it to level up mastery, if your knife mastery is low

[stone fern]

no dualist L

what is this for?

[placid fiber]

but otherwise I'd hold out for a better one

[forest compass]

Okay, thanks. I did lvl up the knife on vet for a bit, but not fully. I'll hold out.

[placid fiber]

no duelist (the build has 4 free talent points still)

[stone fern]

what weapon is it for?

[placid fiber]

it is just for a frame of reference

it isn't a build for anything

[stone fern]

tbh id go scourge then

[placid fiber]

here you go lol #zealot-class message

[zenith oxide]

whats the dump stat for relic blade? mobility?

[placid fiber]

mobility

[stone fern]

middle talent 😭

[placid fiber]

if in doubt mobility or defences is the dump stat

[stone fern]

nooooooooo

[drowsy steppe]

dont go below 60% or you wont have 4 effective dodges

[placid fiber]

it's below 51%

[drowsy steppe]

not below 51 then

[placid fiber]

it's the same for every weapon that has dodge count tied to mobility/defences

[acoustic dune]

i think i made the ultimate mage melee build

phill you up for a match or 2?

[hearty nebula]

check pin. if you had to ask you gotta read that too

[elfin thorn]

where is ur pfp from

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[elfin thorn]

i agree

[acoustic dune]

are you like the artist or smth?

[elfin thorn]

me? naw just curious

kinda reminds me of limbus company 🤔

[violet hornet]

Does pox gas piss off dh?

got stuck jumping over a box and instantly aggro'd

[twin wagon]

By the progression in the ice

It was your presence

Something must have started the "struggle"

maybe gas

[violet hornet]

fastest I've ever seen a dh aggro tbh

[twin wagon]

since it's already moving before entering agro range

[violet hornet]

beyond being shot directly

it was wiggling the entire time the gas went off

[placid fiber]

you were sprinting too close to it while it was very very angry I think

[violet hornet]

no one else was around it, they were hiding behind me standing on a medpack

pox gas apparently makes them angry

[placid fiber]

I know, but, it was super aggroed before you started sprinting towards it

[violet hornet]

It had been doing that the entire time we were fighting a captain the next room over lol

[placid fiber]

Yeah that's the amount of aggro before pretty much anything fully wakes it up

[fleet zealot]

You basically were sticking at the edge of the radius

[placid fiber]

Yeah he was on the very edge of the aggro zone when it was about ready to pop

talk about edgemaxxing am i rite?

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-rent-down-in-my-neighborhood-how-i-keep-the-festivities-in-my-neighborhood-christmas-meme-christmas-christmas-edit-gif-7788907808118315321

[placid fiber]

it would be great, if my neighbor wasn't yelling like a lil bitch baby both today and yesterday... had to say something both today and yesterday :/

like chill tf out my dude

[violet hornet]

I was under the impression the dh would calm down over time but that didn't seem to be happening here

[placid fiber]

well... when they're that aggroed you don't go near em lol

[errant ermine]

Dump stat of flamer and combat axe?

[violet hornet]

I'm not unconvinced it was bugged and stuck at full aggro tbh

[placid fiber]

flamer damage, caxe mobility

it could have been bugged

[placid fiber]

99.5% of flamers damage comes from burn, all stats but mobility are important on the combat axe for damage on the rashad

[errant ermine]

alr

[grave cypress]

Wait hold up

wait nevermind I read wrong

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-pie-jesu-domine-gif-17904171

[placid fiber]

might even be 99.9% of flamer's damage that comes from burn

resident eveil 4 lol

that's what the cultists feel like

[placid fiber]

the beloved sea horse

[acoustic dune]

is that a reindeer?

its rudolph

[placid fiber]

rudolph the red nosed ferret

[frosty herald]

Crying tears of joy

[nova dust]

knowing ds2, its a mixture of pain and joy

[mighty root]

Ds2 is good but definitely not the best

[nova dust]

like theres better dark souls

if i got 2 over 3 id cry

[mighty root]

Soul memory, Agility, and the clown car enemies are terrible

Mmmm we need to make the area harder

Add 20 enemies to a small room

Fucking uh those one things in the ship area

The boss is the sentry

[fleet zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHPFZVv6q5Q

better version

[hard nexus]

by that, darkpill means dump damage

damage barely affects your damage dealt by flamer

and having high mobility is nice with flamer for back dodging while spraying down a horde/elites

or boss

[craggy mulch]

How do Zealots play Havoc at 40? It feels like stepping out of Psyker bubble is death...

[hard nexus]

dodge a lot

and have a good vet

to kill gunners

or charge the gunners urself

[fleet zealot]

chorus a lot

slide a lot

be the melee frontliner imo if you are going relic blade

if you don't have a purge staff/good purge staff/enemies coming from a different angle than the purge staff is lookin

[polar nexus]

I had a frontline relic zealot and a midline chorus team leader zealot

That worked well for the payker and I (shout + nades + focus vet)

Both were chorus and that honestly went from overkill to ohh my god we aggroed the dh > ledged motherfucker

[sullen forge]

Veteran is more so slight anti gunner cause of Pus hardened and then horde clear with shredders

[merry flume]

hi gale

gaming?

[sullen forge]

I wish

Working till 4

[merry flume]

dont tell me

omg

wage...

[sullen forge]

Had to get up at 7 am

[wind plume]

Joins Havoc 22 mission, my build gets doubted by all, proceeds with mission, completes it and makes everyone look like heretics.

[merry flume]

[sullen forge]

Fucking insanely busy as well

Mfer it’s Eve

[merry flume]

i mean i was off today cause i usually have tuesdays off

[acoustic dune]

give vet lmg when

[sullen forge]

Go home

[acoustic dune]

also wheres tintin

[merry flume]

but i would have worked 10-2 if i had to work today

[acoustic dune]

i havent seen him in foerver

[merry flume]

hes forming parasocial relationships

[sullen forge]

I get payed for X-mas cause of full time benefits

[merry flume]

oh nice

[sullen forge]

Yet I don’t work that day

🚬

[merry flume]

i got too drunk last night and forgot to go to the store

[sullen forge]

Plus have the 26th off

[merry flume]

so im of course instacarting groceries rn

well not too drunk

[sullen forge]

Instacarting smh

[merry flume]

but i had like 2 drinks and i was like yeah fuck it lmao

[sullen forge]

My favorite DT pastime

[merry flume]

nah im the smoker not the drinker

[sullen forge]

Watching the “havoc forged” player leave immediately

[merry flume]

lmao

just go play havocs if ur gonna rq the moment something goes wrong

imagine getting owned in a CIVI with your h40 build

[sullen forge]

Bro this shit happens all the time in havoc anyways and it’s FAR WORSE lmao

[merry flume]

wait wait

perfectionist laspistol x @rocky nacelle

[sullen forge]

Shit goes wrong it quickly snowballs

[merry flume]

[sullen forge]

Vs Auric

Oh yeah we need to test if soul is effected by rending

[merry flume]

imma try it out in a sec

i was prob just gonna ask psyker chat too

[sullen forge]

See your first issue was asking Psyker chat

LMAO

[merry flume]

it does interact

[copper hawk]

Noooooob

[merry flume]

yeah because the people i can ask just jerk off with their groups instead of playijng with me 😔

[copper hawk]

Zame..,

[merry flume]

the only people i regularly play with are gale and para and that's p much it nowadays

everyone else too addicted to havoc hard 4stack in private vc for 16 hours

[sullen forge]

I’m doing H40 literally for penance completion

[frosty herald]

MERRY CHRISTMASU!

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-christmas-hd2-helldivers-2-cheer-this-guy-gif-4756755066549380819

[copper hawk]

I haven't played w even 1 oomf on darktide in a long while

[sullen forge]

And then dropping it off the face of the earth cause it’s just genuinely unfun

[copper hawk]

It not crimas yet

[frosty herald]

Cica im petting poe2 tomorrow

[copper hawk]

Datz cool

Tell me how it goez

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/syno-i-love-you-syno-synowithazero-gif-2023483407273504018

[merry flume]

whats harder, havoc 40 or cata fortunes of war

[frosty herald]

Cata

[merry flume]

i agree

[sullen forge]

I know how we Can save DT

remove all Toughness

[merry flume]

i don't think it's because of the game though i think it's because of the players

[sullen forge]

Too overpowered remove it

[merry flume]

yeah give us temp hp again

so i can play 1hp marty zealot and actuallty never die

[sullen forge]

Make the shooters shoot more also

[vital dock]

DT?

[copper hawk]

I can give u rabiez

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/catch-my-speed-old-man-speed-match-gif-2684251337022790829

https://tenor.com/view/then-i'll-ill-surpass-it-gif-9695747661629329569

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-exile-path-of-exile-2-poe-poe-2-poe2-gif-10220168355466966859

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/frothing-at-the-mouth-rabies-im-frothing-at-the-mouth-frothing-gif-23418077

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/konata-hawk-hawk-tuah-konata-hawk-tuah-gif-12358301043525212611

[merry flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278540580976328790/1318016225447645275/GIF_20241215_184331_410.gif

[frosty herald]

I WISH ALL OF MY FRIENDS A JOLLY CHRISTMAS FULL OF GIFTS!!!

[sullen forge]

I wish upon you a very UNjolly Christmas

[acoustic dune]

is that

[copper hawk]

No gifts

[acoustic dune]

OBITLER?

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1319703782048661504/IMG_4148.gif

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pregnant-get-pregnant-get-presents-christmas-edit-gif-6160159000207612179

[mighty root]

For this Christmas I want you boy preggers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181264843798482976/1181266084695900290/ezgif-4-b174baf718.gif

The other version of this gif is vile

I wish all zealot chat a good Christmas not filled with freaky rigmarole

[twin wagon]

Buff veteran

[mighty root]

I wish all classes have a skill point increase by 5

[hard nexus]

no

bad

[sullen forge]

Let’s not

Let Psyker be even more overpowered than it is

[fleet zealot]

BUFF PSYKER AGAIN

50% MORE DAMAGE TO SMITE

[sullen forge]

Fatshark approved message

[twin wagon]

Buff veteran back to the good old days

[sullen forge]

Don’t forget

The mandatory Ogryn nerf

Why

We don’t even know why it just keeps happening

[fleet zealot]

why is drowned city the worst poe2 campaign map

jfc

[distant lagoon]

ok you know what

Shroud is not as bad as i thought

with both cdr talents at least

or is it...

[fleet zealot]

investing in both cdr talents just to be a worse fotf /hj

[twin wagon]

Ogryn was nerfed because of whiners

Veterans mostly if keyword searches are to be believed in reddit and steam at the time of the great bleed nerf

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/vsause-michael-michael-vsause-vsause-michael-gif-25125732

i mostly would use it to one tap boss

[sullen forge]

“The great bleed nerf”

[acoustic dune]

oither then that

[sullen forge]

What the fuck does this mean

[acoustic dune]

i dont like it

[north sedge]

well, they fixed bleed infinitely stacking itself early on?

only thing i can think of

[acoustic dune]

prob would put it down to 4 now

[frosty herald]

At launch bleed would give zealot damage resistance or crit

It was a talent node that was nerfed

Same with the crucian bug

Now i remember

[sullen forge]

Oh

Oh….

[frosty herald]

Crit would give damage resistance

And crucian worked when not holding revolver

So you had knife zealots abusing it

[fleet zealot]

every zealot

every weapon was now a crit weapon

cause crucian

[plucky gate]

I think it gave ogryns damage res and zealots crit

zealots had damage res because of the crits

I remember abusing crucian with zealot 75% dr

[north sedge]

the actual bleed bug was bleed infinitely stacking itself and no cap on it

could also punch bulwarks through shield and make them bleed

[plucky gate]

bulwarks were strange creatures back then

[north sedge]

(this is also why everyone wanted bleed knives for fucking ever even though the bug was fixed in like a month)

[copper hawk]

Lacerate flesh tearer..,

[plucky gate]

remember when bulwark shield hitboxes were like half of their body?

terrible times

[hard nexus]

i miss 99.9999% effective tdr

[royal vortex]

the forcefields need to return

[plucky gate]

pls no

[twin wagon]

The same patch that nerfed Ogryn bleed application massively, also nerfed bleed damage per dot, max dot and procs in general

[copper hawk]

Josho needs to return.. to sender !!

[twin wagon]

It's the reason lacerate ain't ran anymore

Lacerate used to be so much dps because of bleed stacking, that weakpoints weren't even worth

[frosty herald]

We need bullwarks with bucklers

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/meesa-like-this-boss-nass-gif-14821976

[frosty herald]

So you can hit them above shields

[twin wagon]

Ogryn can

[copper hawk]

Bulwarks need full carapace armor

[twin wagon]

Ogryn shield push attack can hit over a blocking bulwark

[twin wagon]

"New elite introduced, Poisemonster"

[plucky gate]

smh just be taller and jump
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1315842472437481582/tall_melee_propaganda.mp4?ex=676bff0c&is=676aad8c&hm=6b0b1682979bda90fd3fb9229fed3c6ad7827eba272adaa1e63ce8245799e59c&

[distant lagoon]

with thammer?

[plucky gate]

dunk on those bulwarks

[copper hawk]

They need the redundancy of their force sword resistant unobtanium shield and full carapace armor

[acoustic dune]

yeah

[frosty herald]

I know

But stormvermin and shielden chaos warriors are morefun

[twin wagon]

CW are just better designed in general

loud, booming voice that specifies who they are targeting often

Crushers lack a lot without that feature alone

[hard nexus]

no

if they get full carapace their health needs to be nerfed

[sullen forge]

Honestly I feel like giving the elites name callouts on classes would help

Yeah it’s not going to help with like

A stack

But it would give a bit more life to the elites

[sullen forge]

Oh, so close! They need to be buffed! Hope this helps! 🧡

[hard nexus]

they have 4800 unyielding health

that’s part of the reason brainburst is bad

it takes 3 EP charges to kill a bulwark

[mighty root]

I love bb

[sullen forge]

Still needs a buff sweetie

[mighty root]

It’s my favorite

I love giving them head

And then bursting

[frosty herald]

I need the concept art elites implemented

Full carapace bullwarks

Tentacle bullwarks fleshy maulers

[sullen forge]

Dreg Rager concept with that 2 handed axe

[mighty root]

I would like a dreg mauler

[sullen forge]

Should’ve just been a Dreg Mauler

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[mighty root]

Just a really fast mauler

[frosty herald]

Real

[copper hawk]

Yop

[copper hawk]

U just cant handle my chris kringle jolly swag

[sullen forge]

Curb stomping you for Christmas

🎉

[hard nexus]

where’s that

i wanna se

[sullen forge]

Dreg Rager was originally this

Literally the easiest Dreg Mauler ever

[hard nexus]

that’s awesome

the axe looks a bit weird

but that’s really cool looking

[fleet zealot]

i like the 3

i think that's a hammer

hammer with spikes

[sullen forge]

Look the Dreg Bomber was sitting as concept art for ages

It’s totally possible

[fleet zealot]

dreg bomber was also in code for a while

(as a pair of legs and nothing else)

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-legs-macho-li'l-gif-8098075115180883333

[tame sluice]

be cooler if dreg mauler had an eviscerator or a shock maul or smth

[lunar fable]

banana dreg

[tame sluice]

I would've liked banana dreg

[tame sluice]

I hate the tox bombers design because they REALLY don't stand out as a "special" enemy among other dregs

[sullen forge]

They used the left design for Chaos Champions

[sullen forge]

It’s the glowing heads on them that does

[sullen forge]

Beta Mauler

Hello

[tame sluice]

their voicelines also aren't particularly different from regular dregs, and they're the only special enemy in the game (aside from snipers obviously) that seem to have proximity based audio

[frosty herald]

We need this mauler back

[tame sluice]

like you can hear a scab bomber pull the pin on their grenade from anywhere on the map

dreg bombers it will get quieter as you get further away from them until it doesn't play at all at like ~35 meters

same for their spawn voicelines which usually means they spawn completely silently

[frosty herald]

Imagine using ds4 to poke that face

[tame sluice]

alas they are wearing a helmet so it's all flak

scab shotgunner moment

[sullen forge]

When they were trying to figure out what color scheme to use

[fleet zealot]

i mean, snipers not currently aiming look like normal scabs

[twin wagon]

What if

[tame sluice]

no they don't?

[twin wagon]

To make reapers relevant

[fleet zealot]

yea they do

[twin wagon]

THey gave them Carapace armor all over?

[tame sluice]

the hooded cloak that's an obvious white and gray camo?

[polar nexus]

They do

[acoustic dune]

concept art?

[fleet zealot]

at a distance they blend in with scab shooters cause they are same height and similar colo

[acoustic dune]

where did you get this?

[tame sluice]

I have literally never mistaken a sniper for a normal scab even once in this entire game

[fleet zealot]

without the red lasers snipers

[acoustic dune]

or the fuckoff white cloak

[sullen forge]

@frosty herald Bomber Concept art

[tame sluice]

they also have entirely different animations and shooting positions that are also dead giveaways at the glance

[copper hawk]

Wish specials had variants

[tame sluice]

the laser is the big obvious one, but it's very hard to mistake a sniper for a normal scab unless you just aren't paying attention

[acoustic dune]

well we could

but remenber

[fleet zealot]

shooting posisition

when i literally say

[acoustic dune]

gamer are stoopid

[fleet zealot]

when he isn't in shooting

[acoustic dune]

the visual need to be easily read

[copper hawk]

Idk ive never mixed up a sniper w a scab befire

Before

Visually anyways

They just look like a scab to me

[tame sluice]

seriously like even if they aren't shooting the hood is so impossible to miss

[fleet zealot]

then you shouldn't mix up dreg bomber with dregs

[copper hawk]

Like they fit the uniform

Better than gunners imo

[tame sluice]

I do mix up dreg bombers with dregs because they damn near wear the same fucking outfit

Snipers have an unmistakable urban camo cloak on

[copper hawk]

Dreg bombers are tall n green

Green giant

[acoustic dune]

how

[distant lagoon]

So what is consensus on which power sword better and what blessings?

[tame sluice]

dreg bombers are yellow, green and brown in a sea of yellow, green and brown dregs

[copper hawk]

I wish they were more like in line w the other dreg colors

[acoustic dune]

one is red

[copper hawk]

Like scab bombers

[acoustic dune]

the other somewhat green

[fleet zealot]

dreg bombers are tall and green and have decorations and gas coming off them

[fleet zealot]

check pins

[copper hawk]

Pins

10

Cranial rampage

Flak elites/maniacs

Dump mobi

[polar nexus]

Check pin. Mk2 is for hipster. MkX is for everyone

[sullen forge]

Mk2 or you’re BAD!!!!!

[tame sluice]

I suppose the major part of me not being able to consistentl identify dreg bombers is their near complete lack of audio half the time

[copper hawk]

Yah

[tame sluice]

Snipers are fuckin' louder and more distinct audio wise than them, and they literally don't have a spawn sound

[copper hawk]

I wish scab bombers came ij variants

With and without armor n helmets n stuff

They're so identifiable that u could mix n match their equipment to make it a lil more immersive

[sullen forge]

The moment I hear a grenade ting sfx

Followed with a death exhale from something being thrown

[copper hawk]

They sound they make when they trot around is so iconic

[sullen forge]

I immediately know a Dreg Bomber is in play

[tame sluice]

*Dreg Bombers do not make a grenade ting sfx if they are too far away from you

Scab Bombers do not have this problem

[copper hawk]

Dreg bombers make a different ting

Me thinks

No pin to pull on a gooey severed head

[tame sluice]

It's the same noise, but Dreg Bombers are bugged (?) and have proximity based audio on all their sounds

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/gustavo-gif-26460070

[tame sluice]

If you're unlucky enough you can have a dreg bomber grenade blow up right next to you and never hear it because you weren't close enough to the grenade as it goes through the sky, and aren't close enough to the dreg bomber

Also the spawn sounds and voicelines are the obvious ones on Dreg Bomber audio being fucked

You can hear the Scab Bombers READYING OMICRON MORTIS INTERCESSION from the other side of Tertium

When's the last time you ever heard a Dreg Bomber's spawn voice lines in game?

[copper hawk]

I hear them a lot less yah

I do hear them though

[tame sluice]

Also on the topic of their voicelines

SO many of their voicelines are just shit that normal dregs say too

I don't hear some crazy guy shouting about the one truth, or accepting nurgle's blessings and associate that with a special because they all say that

[copper hawk]

Yuletide

[tame sluice]

Anyways back to concept art enemies what if we got Dreg Shooters

Since every single Dreg gunman right now is a fucking Stalker which is part of why they're so much more dangerous than Scabs

[distant lagoon]

What does stalker mean?

[tame sluice]

Stalkers are those Scabs with the short sleeve shirts that come alongside shotgunners

[sullen forge]

You usually hear Dreg Bombers yell out like

“DENY THIS!”

[copper hawk]

They're the shooters that shoot fast

[tame sluice]

They're more aggressive, usually just walk at you out of cover while shooting, and are much more resistant to suppression

also they shoot faster

[copper hawk]

They have the shorter faster firing lasguns

[distant lagoon]

Also, how does rending work? Wondering how useful Ruthless backstab could be on knife

[copper hawk]

They're the ones that fire and maneuver and dont take cover

[tame sluice]

Rending gives you a damage boost against all of the "armored" health types

Basically letting you ignore the armor

ruthless backstab is ass because Uncanny Strike is right there, easier to proc, and works from any angle

[distant lagoon]

Does that include maniac and unyielding?

[plush estuary]

Rending is percent of armor negation, 100% of rending means you bypass damage reduction by armor

[tame sluice]

yeah

literally anything but unarmored gets a damage boost from rending

[plush estuary]

The only thing rending doesnt give a bonus to is infested and unarmored

[distant lagoon]

so how useful rending depends on weapon?

[tame sluice]

Rending does give a bonus to infested

Rending is always good to have, but it's overkill on some weapons that already have high armor pen

[drowsy steppe]

shitters are out tonight aint it

[sullen forge]

Rending effects Cara and Flak more noticeable

Maniac and Unyielding it also effects moderately

[copper hawk]

Wish ragers had more variety visually too

[sullen forge]

I’ll be honest I don’t mind they’re the same but I want more elites and specials

[copper hawk]

In l4d2 i have mods that change just about every infected look

To vary depending on environment

[sullen forge]

You know what Cica

[copper hawk]

It feels and looks so much nicer with context relevant infected

[tame sluice]

dreg snipers that have burst fire vigilant autoguns

[sullen forge]

You know what I want

I want a specialist

[copper hawk]

Wearing construction gear at construction sites

[sullen forge]

A mine layer

[copper hawk]

Or zombies in cop clothing

Etc

[sullen forge]

Dreg one literally just does what Rodin does

[copper hawk]

Special infected wearing different clothing instead of the same stuff over and over

[sullen forge]

Scab one could either be proximity mines that burst into flames or mini barrels

[frosty herald]

Real

[copper hawk]

There's already a lot of variety w some chaff in this game

Wish it extended to the uncommons/elites too

[sullen forge]

Am I cooking or yapping with that idea for a specialist

[tame sluice]

guaranteed to spawn 10 at the start of gloriana

[copper hawk]

Crushers have visually different clothing

[tame sluice]

everyone dies

[sullen forge]

Cause I’d want them to purposely distance themselves

Like Dreg Bombers do

[copper hawk]

An enemy that constantly runs away from you is annoying

[frosty herald]

Yup

[copper hawk]

It's a cool idea but an enemy of that variety won't be added again

[frosty herald]

Maulers have differenr chestplates and crushers different helmets

[copper hawk]

Yeah

Can still easily identify them

[frosty herald]

Legit elite variants would change up stuff so much

Carapace chest gunners

[misty ravine]

Fatshark said something about them wanting to differentiate factions more in future, and make Scabs rarer and more elite than Dregs, didn't they?

Could do something with that

[sullen forge]

I don’t think it would be too bad if they keep their health low like Scab Bombers 750< or limit their spawns heavily

[tame sluice]

as opposed to now where Dregs are more common and more elite than Scabs

[copper hawk]

Same reason why valve scrapped the shrieker in l4dw

L4d2

[tame sluice]

like every fuckin' Dreg enemy that has a Scab version is more threatening than the Scab version

[hard nexus]

except the bruisers

[copper hawk]

Since they found the idea of an enemy that does a ton of damage through hordes was frustrating to play against when they run away constantly into the horde with no real need to be offensive

[tame sluice]

they're also usually tankier despite not wearing any armor because they have ridiculously high health

[sterile basalt]

Idk abt that, besides bomber they’re equal or worse

[hard nexus]

and also the stupid maniac ADMs that a lot of weapons have

[misty ravine]

Always made me wonder why they differentiated Unarmored and Flak and then made Unarmored just as tough or tougher anyways

Just to pad out weapon perks I guess

[copper hawk]

An enemy that lays mines down and disappears without despawning might be insufficient to put pressure in the moment if they lay mines ahead of the team (to walk on), or too slippery and frustrating to players

[tame sluice]

Unarmored is way weaker than flak

[frosty herald]

This lines up with the story

[hard nexus]

dreg ragers

[copper hawk]

I like the idea personally but they wont do another dreg bomber

[tame sluice]

But like...Scab Gunners have 900 health on damnation

Dreg Gunners have 1400

[sterile basalt]

Are inferior to scab ragers rn

[frosty herald]

The scabs are getting pushed back by the cult if admonition

[mighty root]

Anyone here really knowledgeable about CPU’s

[sterile basalt]

Similar atk speed, much lower mass, no carapace

[hard nexus]

disagree

[sterile basalt]

If only

[misty ravine]

Now that we actually have the beginning of a story

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-jolly-christmas-gif-5774532700081404887

[tame sluice]

yeah since Scab Ragers are carapace now they're actually kinda scary

[sullen forge]

You know honestly

[placid fiber]

pretty sure randos die more to dreg ragers lol

[copper hawk]

Not rlly

[hard nexus]

maniac ADMs are stupid all around

[copper hawk]

Aim for head 4head

[misty ravine]

I remember reading about the Admonition cult in the promo materials and then they were never mentioned again for 2 years

[sullen forge]

I realize we don’t have Dreg Ogryns yet

[copper hawk]

:3

[frosty herald]

It wouldnt surprise me if the next named update shows the moebian guard and cult of admonition being at war

[copper hawk]

Yah

[tame sluice]

Flak head is still a little unlucky for them because SO many melee weapons have good flak modifiers

[copper hawk]

We should ,,

[sterile basalt]

They get blown up by Dreg ragers before they get to fight scab ragers in melee

[sullen forge]

They could do the typical renegade Ogryn and have their arms replaced with claws

Shit like that

[copper hawk]

The attack speed and randos tend to shoot more than melee

[sullen forge]

Unyielding, no armor

[copper hawk]

And maniac resistance to firearms is tuff

[tame sluice]

But the carapace chestplate makes Scab Ragers an unbelievable pain in the ass in mixed hordes

[copper hawk]

Yah

Mby some infested parts

Instead of carapace

[merry flume]

i wish backstabbing was more viable outside of funny invisible man

[sterile basalt]

Ogryns are neither scab nor Dreg

[copper hawk]

W some more hp

Idk path

At least visually bullies and crushers are clearly Moebian 6th

[sterile basalt]

Ogryn are coded as “chaos faction” which is neutral between scab and dreg

[copper hawk]

They have the heraldry adorning their armor n stuff

[sterile basalt]

Ik, but it’s coded as neutral

[copper hawk]

Which wohld make them Scab

Yah we mean like visually coded

A clearly dreg ogryn

[sullen forge]

Besides Ogryns listen to their friends

[sterile basalt]

There’s no “dreg only” mission modifier yet

Not sure why

[copper hawk]

Not enough dregs maybe

[tame sluice]

because that's every mission on damnation silly

[placid fiber]

maybe, but, they sure do spawn a lot more when there are scab enemies

[hard nexus]

that’d suck

[copper hawk]

Oops all dreg shooters

[hard nexus]

i prefer scabs much more to dregs

[tame sluice]

Reapers and Bulwarks are part of the Scab squad spawns yeah

They don't spawn alongside admonition goobers at all

[misty ravine]

With what they want to do with the factions they could make Dreg Crushers only partially armored, using improvised armor and using tools instead of purpose made breaching hammers or whatnot

[sterile basalt]

No, their spawn are neutral

“Scab faction only” actually means “no Dreg faction”, which still allows chaos faction to spawn: bosses, ogryns, groaners & poxwalkers

[frosty herald]

There are 3 head members of the cult

[gleaming furnace]

Which is bs

[visual stream]

I think dodging around behind enemies for the proc being more reliable plus some blessings or even new talents (when [if] we get a tree rework) built around backstab would be cool

[copper hawk]

Hawk tuah

Rock tuah

Woof tuah

[gleaming furnace]

Since mutants are considered dregs yet still spawn in civi

[frosty herald]

The dark communion mission is a lore bomb on darktide

[tame sluice]

Imagine if it was actually scabs only, and it was Bruisers for hordes

[placid fiber]

their spawns might be neutral, but, when there are scab enemies spawning crushers spawn a lot more and in larger groups

[gleaming furnace]

Based

[misty ravine]

Being ogryn laborers sent into combat rather than actual Guard-trained ogryn

[placid fiber]

all you need are eyes to notice this

[misty ravine]

Then again it might simply lead to Wolfer getting killed and the Moebian traitor guard coming under the command of an Admonition aligned officer

[sterile basalt]

The guy chanting in “terrors in the dark”
The woman named “urmal”
And the deep voice that knows about inquisitor Grendyl

[misty ravine]

Nothing Ever Happens.png

[merry flume]

they fixed backstabs and you still will whiff direct to back attacks because of some animation fuckery hitting one pixel of not back

[tame sluice]

I don't actually care about the lore I just want fancy new weapons

[visual stream]

Wolfer in big twouble now 🥺

[sterile basalt]

Yea longlas & Melta in 2025, trust

[wet rain]

anyone got blessing recommendations for heavy evocator? Helping a friend with a build, bringing them into havoc hehe

never used it myself, though

[merry flume]

idc if it doesn't work in darktide i want a billhook or halberd

[frosty herald]

Id see wolfer getting scared and asking for help from grendyl

[misty nova]

Rampage Bloodthirsty

[copper hawk]

@hard nexus

[potent gate]

It's kinda crap for havoc tbh

[copper hawk]

Ur time

Has come

Meow..

[frosty herald]

Cause wolfer is now hunted by the cult for him letting the ritual fail

[misty ravine]

Atoma has fallen. Quadrillions must dive

[copper hawk]

Wolper

[frosty herald]

Scabs were supposed to protect the cathedral

[tame sluice]

space marines use spears

or well specifically the Grey Knights do

[wet rain]

they probably won't make it to 30+ but for aurics they're doing okay

[merry flume]

more like g

[potent gate]

If you're using this, you're got to spam the special fyi

[tame sluice]

If GW lets Fatshark do cool things Psyker could get a Force Pike

[sullen forge]

Gives it to veteran cause… fuck you that’s why

[drowsy steppe]

on god emperor

[merry flume]

then i guess ill finally start leveling vet

[lunar fable]

wuh

[copper hawk]

I want dual wielded weapons for zeal lmfao

[lunar fable]

[tame sluice]

I mean that was only half his fault

[copper hawk]

Where tf are they

[visual stream]

New hammer blessing called Backshot where you do +50% more damage when you use an activated attack on a backstab

[tame sluice]

Because Admonition was there and they also failed

[sullen forge]

Honestly I could see them getting away with adding Lance/Spear to Vet for a 2 handed melee

[frosty herald]

I want more exotic weaponry

[merry flume]

lmao

[visual stream]

(I fucking hate BoNs)

[copper hawk]

Boarding shield and a shock wpn for the lil uns ??

[lunar fable]

holy level 2

[copper hawk]

Flails ??

[drowsy steppe]

saltzpyre billhook on zealot would be baller

[tame sluice]

mmmm

[copper hawk]

Where's the falch and axe ??

[tame sluice]

I'm thinking a new pickaxe for the human classes

[frosty herald]

Powerfists burning blades neuro gauntlets c'tan phaseblades

[misty ravine]

Iron Snakes (Dan Abnett's Original Chapter Donut Steel) also use them. Power Spears are a thing in the Deathwatch RPG as well

[copper hawk]

Devil claw and taxe dual wield

Special is a parry that staggers

Cmon roundfish

[misty ravine]

Power Sword + Storm Shield when

[tame sluice]

I want Veteran to have a 2 handed weapon

[wet rain]

rampage and wrath? or is wrath not really needed?

[sterile basalt]

Power axe and power fist for veteran yes please

[tame sluice]

And Ogryn should get a big ass club same as the Crushers do

[rocky nacelle]

havoc 40 If you play it without “meta”

[misty ravine]

Bayonet

[visual stream]

Devil's claw buffed by... just giving you a second one

I'm all for it

[tame sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1033034004288520254/1117316081426628649/IMG_0262.gif

[copper hawk]

Which one is fortunes of war again

[frosty herald]

Taxe 40 lmfao

[sterile basalt]

They’re prob never giving veteran 2-handed melee weapons

[tame sluice]

why not

think of the POWER of a fuckin' 2 handed shovel

[copper hawk]

Cata is wayyy harder imo than hav 40

Any map

[tame sluice]

what is with the fucking shovels

[copper hawk]

By a longshot

Looooongshot

[plush estuary]

yes

[tame sluice]

why did they hype us up for like months about new weapons and then it was shovel variants

[copper hawk]

U can take a few hits still in h40

[placid fiber]

all you have to do is look at the ogryn shovels to see this <.<

[copper hawk]

In cata u take one and ur fucked

Turbo fucked

[visual stream]

None of you have even true solo'd havoc 40 with only your feet do not speak of difficulty to me

[misty ravine]

Imperial Guard don't use them and its conceptually awkward to have a two handed melee weapon and two handed gun (even though of course other classes can use them)

[merry flume]

cata gamer, still havoc 25

so over for me

[copper hawk]

Skaven slave doin a third of ur hp in one poorly animated lunging teleport attack

Dont get me started on any cata map w fucking gors man

[visual stream]

God I hate the lunge attacks

Fuck you rats

[merry flume]

beastmen archer spear lunge from 0 windup animation

[copper hawk]

Chaff shouldnt attack fast in any chaff killing game tbh

Give them slightly more hp

Increase their spawn numbers

[misty ravine]

I'm the kind of larping weirdo who won't use e.g. relic blade + bolter or force greatsword + staff because "how is my guy supposed to switch weapons quickly"

[copper hawk]

Or reduce their melee damage

[distant lagoon]

I disagree

[copper hawk]

L4D2 is right there

[rocky nacelle]

@copper hawk

https://tenor.com/view/hioomfie-oomfie-sonic-sonicthehedgehog-sega-gif-23620714

[visual stream]

One of the many reasons Back 4 Blood sucked nuts

[merry flume]

rat gunners killing you (not from damage, but from literally pushing you across the map)

[visual stream]

Just so much unavoidable damage

[tame sluice]

me turning my back on a scab shooter for .5 seconds only to immediately get bayoneted

[frosty herald]

20 damage a hit on expert realism

[copper hawk]

Yeah lmfao

[rocky nacelle]

Let’s not talk about getting 4 tapped on expert realism

[copper hawk]

They have the worst of both

[merry flume]

yeah but you can easily never get in in l4d2 once you get the hang of it

[rocky nacelle]

or 2 tapped by special infected melees

[copper hawk]

Huge hp pools

High speed

[tame sluice]

biggest offender for enemies attacking too goddamn fast is the lunging attacks of Ragers and Bruisers

[copper hawk]

Tons of damage

[tame sluice]

That shit is instant and feels like it hits you from across the whole map

[misty ravine]

"Yes Left 4 Dead 2 was an amazing game but you know what would make it better? Annoying characters and progression grind"

[placid fiber]

or insta melted by an aggroed witch

[copper hawk]

If u want them tl attack fast reduce the damage for their attacks and remove their stagger

[merry flume]

every weapon can stagger chaff away in l4d so you're only getting hit if you were playing goofy

[rocky nacelle]

did you know in l4d2 expert realism a hunter can melee you for 25 damage and a charger melee can just do like 50 iirc

[visual stream]

My only problem with this is when a jockey goes to leap at you, misses, and frame 1 of landing chunks 40 hp off of you with a swipe

[copper hawk]

If u want them to be a bit more threatening make them do more damage but attsck slower

They're chaff enemies

[visual stream]

Like why didn't I just let you fucking jump on me instead

[copper hawk]

They're not meant to be a threat unless there's other shit there

[frosty herald]

Bruh

[copper hawk]

In l4d2 those are specials

[copper hawk]

Yah

[merry flume]

when the teammate tries shotgunning the jockey off you and domes you instead :)

[copper hawk]

Crushers two tap

[tame sluice]

though if we wanna talk about threatening chaff how about good ol' random traitor guard with a lasgun

[copper hawk]

A crusher melee hit is equivalent to one slam

[rocky nacelle]

jockeys are the worst shit ever but not as awful as shoving a hunter it recovers with the RARE BACKFLIP ANIMATION BTW and melees you for 25

[copper hawk]

In versus it's better to melee as a crusher

It does more damage faster

U can melee faster than u can slam

[north sedge]

charger?

[copper hawk]

Charger*

[hearty nebula]

aren't they also an instant down on realism difficulty (hunters)

[copper hawk]

Woops teehee

Darktide brainrot

[hard nexus]

depends on the mark

[merry flume]

me when i death spot you

[north sedge]

except for those charger death spots

[tame sluice]

or if your team isn't absolute ass in versus

[copper hawk]

That's rlly the only case for using the charge

[hearty nebula]

its been forever since i played l4d2

[rocky nacelle]

no it takes like 2 seconds or a 1.5 second to go down to a hunter pounce in expert realism

[tame sluice]

because spitters do way more damage than slapping someone as a charger

[copper hawk]

If there's an opportunity for a death spot

[tame sluice]

and if they can't move (I.E from being charged)

[hearty nebula]

and i never did vs

[copper hawk]

Or to discombobulate the team for a team play

If ur alone and need damage just spawn mid air leap and melee someone twice

[rocky nacelle]

You can get a 40 damage pounce from height in vs

[copper hawk]

Yah

[fleet zealot]

isn't expert hunter better to just like

[tame sluice]

isn't it 50 at max

[fleet zealot]

scratch

[rocky nacelle]

If that’s what you’re talking about for hunter one shots

[copper hawk]

If u travel more than 25 ft

[north sedge]

wasn't the cap at 25

[rocky nacelle]

but that’s it

[fleet zealot]

like doesnt' it melee for 80

[rocky nacelle]

no

lmfao

[wet rain]

hiii Ariane omg hiii! also the MKIII

[tame sluice]

scratching is almost never better on the disablers because again the Spitter is right there

[rocky nacelle]

Charger does the most melee damage out of the specials

[tame sluice]

You'll always have either them or the Boomer, and they're the strongest specials in versus by far

[royal vortex]

chorger

[lunar fable]

@rocky nacelle you got havoc 40 without him

[merry flume]

me doing the hunter pounce glitch on top of mercy hospitial right into the sewer entrance

[lunar fable]

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/oliver10-spitter-ben10-slime-spit-gif-27683963

[tame sluice]

So your job as the Disabler is to stun, or distract someone so that they can do their thing

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/left4dead-left4dead2-ellis-ellis-l4d2-l4d-gif-26791637

[fleet zealot]

maybe it was l4d1

well yea

i'm not talking versus

[rocky nacelle]

I 1 shotted someone when I was a teenager on the first map of no mercy with hunter pounce

[frosty herald]

ELLIS THE GOAT!!!

[sullen forge]

The survivor keeling over dead on the spot

[merry flume]

i refuse to play some gay ass meta class to win so nobody wants to queue with me

[fleet zealot]

there was just a weird pinning special who had ridic scratch damage in expert

[tame sluice]

cause versus spawns in L4D always have 2-3 disablers, and a boomer/spitter or both

[rocky nacelle]

I looked straight up and 1 shotted someone next to the horde car as hunter lmao

[wet rain]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-eto-bleh-eule-silly-bleh-gif-6884929700246845438

[lunar fable]

i played ds flamer cause i didn't trust randoms

[north sedge]

one of my greatest matches was staying alive as boomer the entire hospital level, kept kool aid manning them, slapping their asses and running away into the vents

[lunar fable]

[hard nexus]

shred perfect strike, flak elites, take a blazing piety build

[wet rain]

oh? shred?

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-gif-8809406

[sullen forge]

We put Ellis in Darktide

Is he surviving

[copper hawk]

No

[frosty herald]

I say we kill all of them sumbitches

[placid fiber]

no

lol

not a chance in hell

[rocky nacelle]

Louis and some pills solos darktide

[frosty herald]

Keith would survive darktide

[copper hawk]

Idk actually

[rocky nacelle]

free

[placid fiber]

louis maybe

[copper hawk]

Commons are stronger than most enemies in darktide

[north sedge]

coach and ogryn bonding over snacks

[hard nexus]

yah, more crits means more damage and more activations of perfect strike

perfect strike allows you to cleave carapace and bulwark shields, and also multiplies critical hit cleave by 4x

[placid fiber]

but ellis? lol

[rocky nacelle]

People forget commons in l4d2 would actually annihilate a fucking human

lmao

[sullen forge]

Actually I like these discussions how about

[rocky nacelle]

just from attacks alone not even biting

[sullen forge]

L4D1/2 crew in Darktide

[royal vortex]

it gets weird after the ogryn calls coach 'one of the good ones'

[sullen forge]

And Darktide 7 in L4D

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[sullen forge]

They living or dying

[rocky nacelle]

“Dark humor” >racism

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-ia-joker-ai-joker-edit-joker-coringa-ai-gif-12770190812815115009

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-ai-joker-gif-16756314525424183526

[sullen forge]

🙂‍↕️

[rocky nacelle]

anyways noobs in here wouldn’t play expert realism

sad !

[merry flume]

literally happened to me in vr last night

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/jonkler-joker-jokermiku-miku-brainrot-gif-9344246601422940797

[sullen forge]

Dark Carnival

[rocky nacelle]

LMFAO

[sullen forge]

Realism Expert

The most miserable

Experience

[rocky nacelle]

The last map I played on l4d2 was that

[fleet zealot]

Jonkler

[rocky nacelle]

pussy

[sullen forge]

In my entire life

[placid fiber]

to be fair i don't know any of the maps or the specials all that well for l4d2 >.>

[rocky nacelle]

I LOVE DARK CARNIVAL AND HARD RAIN EXPERT REALISM

GRAHHHH

[misty ravine]

Loose Cannon Vet (M) and Nick partners in crime and/or rivals waiting for a chance to murder each other

[rocky nacelle]

💪🏽

[sullen forge]

Strong urge to say a 3 letter phrase that will get me banned

[rocky nacelle]

You’re typing like frog now

crinfe

[golden rain]

Real gamers were forged in Expert Realism.

[placid fiber]

and yet my friends still dragged me into expert runs

I survived longer than I thought I would at least lol

[rocky nacelle]

Erm I can say something but it gets me banned 🤓

[misty ravine]

Any 40k character seeing the Star of Chaos on Nick's ring and/or Francis tattoos

[copper hawk]

Expert realism sucks ass

[rocky nacelle]

Expert realism fucks

[copper hawk]

Expert normal meowever..

[placid fiber]

still murders me cuz I am a noob at l4d2

[visual stream]

L4D2 may obliterate you with the chaff enemies but honestly it does it in a fun way that you can reliably deal with

[sullen forge]

Keep Yourself Safe!!!

[potent gate]

Damage cap on crit cleave is still 4 though, ya?

[rocky nacelle]

I grew up playing it unironically

[hard nexus]

yes

[rocky nacelle]

I was like a 12 yo playing with 30 year old dads

lmfao

peak

[hard nexus]

but the cleave is needed

[placid fiber]

I somehow got this in l4d2

[visual stream]

I used to be ass at versus, I would get vote kicked almost every match I played 😭

[sullen forge]

Custom Campaigns on Realism Expert

[golden rain]

I used to play Expert Realism a lot but I haven't played L4D2 in a hot minute, so if I were to go back I would be absolute dog nowadays

[sullen forge]

Is an experience

[rocky nacelle]

ive never lost my l4d muscle memory

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[rocky nacelle]

that game is rooted into my brain lmfao

[misty ravine]

I would probably be trying to dodge and sprint

And aim down sight and shit

[golden rain]

But man, playing ER can really teach you how to play with some of the best gamesense you could possibly learn in the game

[rocky nacelle]

even years later if it’s not realism I’m crowning the witch

[sullen forge]

Doesn’t have COD Zombies rooted in his brain

[copper hawk]

I remember all the keybinds i had w the voicelines mod 2 say stupid shit

[sullen forge]

Bum ass

🚬

[misty ravine]

I also feel like L4D had better audio cues

[rocky nacelle]

Cause I play games with actual skill

oops

[visual stream]

Coach death scream upon ye

Are those death scream lines like ever used btw

[sullen forge]

Not really no 🚬

[golden rain]

Shovedancing, crouch-aiming, airstrafing, momentum throwing...

[north sedge]

i once ran into an aimbotter in l4d1 versus, but the aimbot couldnt tell the difference between commons and specials, so we'd just wait for a horde and run in a circle slapping him and he couldnt hit us because he was shooting all the commons

[golden rain]

There's so much hidden tech in L4D2 that you'd be taught very quickly in Expert Realism

[rocky nacelle]

the only thing you should be good at for expert realism

[misty ravine]

Counterpoint: Dallas Needs A Medic Bag

[sullen forge]

Can’t Bhop speed run to the end?

[rocky nacelle]

learn how to shove learn how to melee and bhopping is sex

[copper hawk]

[ Death Rattle ]

[sullen forge]

Keep yourself self

[rocky nacelle]

also deagle one shot

[copper hawk]

AAEEUuuOOoOooOEEooOOOGH

[sullen forge]

And stay out of Realism Expert

[copper hawk]

we should all play l4d2 at some point

i've never actually played the l4d1 campaign

like at all

outside of versus

[golden rain]

Magnum is deadass one of the best weapons in the entire game, bar none.

[copper hawk]

in realism yah

especially expert realism

[rocky nacelle]

I’ve said this multiple times

and no one bites

so

[copper hawk]

inf ammo shit tons of damage

[rocky nacelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper hawk]

retained in a downed state

[potent gate]

I see. I'll need to give MK3 a go in havoc.

Honestly with horde density and toughness, I question if mk15 is actually still "better" as a normal pick

[merry flume]

me when i put the dumpster over the manhole at this part

[rocky nacelle]

It is

[rocky nacelle]

Rookie shit

[visual stream]

EVIL

[copper hawk]

all the tech i learned in l4d2 for any of the maps

[rocky nacelle]

try a fucking car

[copper hawk]

l4d1 maps included

was from versus

[sullen forge]

You will be soft locked or die instantly and you will like it

[misty ravine]

However the Deagle Brand Deagle prevents you from using le weebsword

[visual stream]

Are there any ranged tank mains in chat rn

[merry flume]

dumpster was better because they would struggle to move it, and 9 times out of 10 it would fall at the bottom of the ladder and kill someone

[rocky nacelle]

baby shit vic >car to cover the hospital entrance

car to cover manhole

[golden rain]

Also capable of twoshot headshotting a lot of Specials

[rocky nacelle]

win

[copper hawk]

@frosty herald what game do u want for christmas

[visual stream]

Come out so we can string you up

[copper hawk]

since u already have wilds

[golden rain]

Most particularly Smokers, Spitters, and Hunters

[sullen forge]

You’re ass if you don’t play it like they

[copper hawk]

you're

[sullen forge]

Straight up dookie shit

[copper hawk]

LOL

LAWL

[rocky nacelle]

we talking l4d1 right

[merry flume]

ye

[rocky nacelle]

when you could actually soft lock that part

ye

lmfao evil ass

[merry flume]

and the generator at the top of the elevator

[rocky nacelle]

I used cars in l4d2 to cover manhole and hospital saferoom entrance

[sullen forge]

You say it’s cheating

I say it’s a free win

[merry flume]

i say its funny

[frosty herald]

whats your budget?

[copper hawk]

monster hunter wilds

so like 70 bucks

[placid fiber]

$0.21

[rocky nacelle]

mfw i tell everyone to play l4d2

then someone else suggests it

smh

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmnotbad-hmm-letmethink-imthinking-thinking-gif-5567970

[lunar fable]

yam