zealot-class

[stone fern]

also yeah

4 seconds of say IoD feel like forever

but still

trapper reload feels a lot longer

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762816022616080386/1320765807005007913/tumblr_e2f980731375ee555c81af325b52f4e7_07ddaef8_540.webp

😍

[placid fiber]

When you're in the moment in that adrenaline rush it's like "omg they're already on me again"

shadowfart

I have no clue what she's like, I just know I've seen people say that

[stone fern]

i hate knife ears

[drowsy steppe]

shadowheart

because she captures my heart

[placid fiber]

I am indifferent to elf ears

[solar gorge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283579612695625729/931333597841993788/funny_meme.gif

[drowsy steppe]

🙂

[stone fern]

humans good
not human = not good

[placid fiber]

I don't care if the character is an elf, as long as they aren't covered in fucking fur or have a tail or are a reptile

[solar gorge]

non humans bad except dwarfs they're bros

[placid fiber]

dwarves are bros

[stone fern]

yeah

[placid fiber]

or jackasses

no real inbetween

[solar gorge]

ADB

[acoustic dune]

love me some shorty

[solar gorge]

all dwarfs (are) based

[placid fiber]

I don't get the dwarf hate, I don't get the elf hate... they are just races in a game

[stone fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtWeDEBkVc

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299472118827974707/1318586647721414697/tumblr_308302752b1cda5d40e7eb846c5add8f_7ecc37f5_640.webp

elf alert

@frank quail

[placid fiber]

As long as the character isn't a backstabbing mf I am okay with them, generally speaking

[drowsy steppe]

nah

[acoustic dune]

ok hear me out

[drowsy steppe]

shes like sweet as fuck

[acoustic dune]

elf think themself cooler

thats it

[placid fiber]

I know shadowheart isn't a backstabbing mf

[acoustic dune]

we all know human are cooler then elf

[fast iron]

12 seconds at all difficulties

[placid fiber]

whats his face is a rogue

[stone fern]

i hate elves so much bros......... for such an "advanced race" it took the eldari almost 20k years to learn how to fucking talk to humans

[placid fiber]

I know that much

[stone fern]

thanks

[acoustic dune]

they are shy

because we the humans are chads

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762816022616080386/1320765807005007913/tumblr_e2f980731375ee555c81af325b52f4e7_07ddaef8_540.webp

I love this GIF so much

[placid fiber]

humans are born racists, it took them that long to find a human that would talk with them lol

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/my-name-is-skyler-white-yo-emilseljeseth-skyler-white-tik-tok-gif-26746235

[fast iron]

on damnation, chaos hound is 4 seconds(3 seconds on fail?), grenadier is 3 seconds(lol), tox grenaider is 8 seconds

[stone fern]

no every eldari story is "we need to help the humans fight chaos..." then they end up trying to kill the humans

except whats her face but thats prolly because shes in love with papa smurf

[placid fiber]

I feel like being a racist in 40k is the norm

[drowsy steppe]

yes

[stone fern]

its not even racism

[placid fiber]

species-ism

[stone fern]

eldari legit dont know how to talk to humans

[acoustic dune]

some of them are just jealoust of how cool stuff

like the toaster

[stone fern]

their speech has a lot of movements and non verbal stuff

[placid fiber]

to be fair... humans don't know how to talk to humans lol

[stone fern]

so talking to a human is harder for them

yet

it took them 20k years to adapt

so in short I am angry... angry about the elves

[placid fiber]

it's hard to adapt to racist mfs that just try to shoot at you any chance they get

[golden rain]

Yvraine is who you would be referring to here, just to fill in for ya'.

[fast iron]

human-level racism is probably not existing for... various reasons. such as not to give people reasons to pretend to be an actual nazi for 'realism'.

[placid fiber]

I mean humans follow the lines of "xenos scum"

[stone fern]

not all of the humans are xenophobic plenty of rogue traders dont mind hell even fulgrim gave an audience to some eldari once

[placid fiber]

not all are, but, a lot are

[stone fern]

like i think theres been less and less problems between humans and eldar in 40k

but a lot more with dark eldar

so the focus kinda switched to that

[acoustic dune]

speaking of elf

[stone fern]

ye ofc

[placid fiber]

didn't they learn how to speak to them by 40k?

[acoustic dune]

necrons

[stone fern]

pretty much

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/necron-dance-warhammer40k-wh40k-warhammer40000-gif-25711280

[placid fiber]

that helps

[stone fern]

they also had less numbers so they couldnt start shit lmao

[fast iron]

the imperium afaik actually did ally with the eldar... briefly. also I figure with the eldar in general, the imperium generally doesn't care about them simply because they AFAIK have no real reason to conflict?

i don't think the two actually ever need resources the other is controlling

[placid fiber]

I'm on whatever side is fighting chaos, pretty much(and humans side to some degree)

[stone fern]

they would never openly admit to it

[placid fiber]

cuz fuck chaos

[stone fern]

but im sure small scale alliences have been made many times

[acoustic dune]

also whats up with gullimen and that yvraine thung

are they bf n gf

?

[stone fern]

eldar and humans are the only two non gross species in the universe

[fast iron]

dark eldar definitely. regular eldar? eldar just fuck around with their craft worlds, imperium kinda shrugs because they don't really care at all about their tech

[stone fern]

everyone else is stinky

[fast iron]

tau.

[stone fern]

dark eldar are bad

tau stinky

they smell bad and they worship ai

after 2937 retcons

[fast iron]

(and, honestly, a billion other xenos that are, likewise, too minor really to get the imperium notice at large, and frequently employed by rogue traders)

[acoustic dune]

):<

necrons are nice

[stone fern]

[acoustic dune]

n so are space dwarf

[stone fern]

necrons are the biggest fucking idiots in the universe

[fast iron]

"necrons are nice"

[fast iron]

those are (ab)humans

[stone fern]

necrons are fucking bitches

[acoustic dune]

ok one necron is nice

[placid fiber]

Yeah... orcs are space fungus, tyranids are space bugs, and necrons are machine bois

[acoustic dune]

tarzyn is right there

[golden rain]

The War in Heaven would like to know your location.

[stone fern]

the necros had massive space fairing tech and enough knowledge to fight the old ones but refuse to research biology to cure themselves of space cancer

[placid fiber]

necrons are probably thing to "good guys" of these 3

[fast iron]

did you mean trazyn

[stone fern]

because theyre fucking dicks

necrons are fucking stupid

they deserve everything that happened to them

[stone fern]

necrons had flesh once

[placid fiber]

aren't a lot of them losing their sentience?

[placid fiber]

Yeah, hence flayed ones x.x

[stone fern]

mostly the leaders still have souls

[fast iron]

also trazyn looks like a dick. at 'best', they're like The Collector in marvel universe.

[acoustic dune]

lost memories but ye

[fast iron]

this is trazyn staring at an adaptus costodes captured in his collection.

[placid fiber]

necrons are dicks, for the most part... but they're still much better than tyranids lol

which is a pretty low bar I know

[stone fern]

my fellow ncrontyr should we start wars with fucking everyone with our hyper advanced technology to make them cure us or should we learn how to cure ourselves and chill out for a bit?

[placid fiber]

at least necrons are hard counters to tyranids

You gotta give em that

[stone fern]

lets cry and bitch so hard that we wake up ancient space gods without sheer buttmad

[fast iron]

Technically Orks can be... somewhat pleasant. (other than them basically being a cariacture of the british apparently)

[stone fern]

they both suck

[placid fiber]

Yeah, but, tyranids suck more

space bugs

[stone fern]

we just gotta introduce them to "football" aka bloodbawl

[golden rain]

I will be fair to Trazyn, though. He has helped other factions, but this is mostly out of either spite, or he gains the biggest chips on the proverbial table by the end.

[misty nova]

[placid fiber]

nice anaconda

[acoustic dune]

i mean biology n stuff is the emperium advantage

is it not?

[golden rain]

For him, at the end of it, it really is him going "because it'll be fuckin' funny. Peek this sick trick"

[fast iron]

The tau also, technically, do have similar goals to the Imperium. After eldar, they are the second most likely major empire to ally with the imperium or that could.

[placid fiber]

biology is the advantage until tyranids

[acoustic dune]

just put metal on skin

[stone fern]

but they had such a long time to start researching it from scratch they just wanted the old ones to fix them for free

[acoustic dune]

like that one primarch

[fast iron]

heck humans in the tau empire are apparently still allowed to worship the emperor.

[frank quail]

hell yeah

[fast iron]

so like... the tau empire are basically a non-threat as far as it comes to human survival

[acoustic dune]

i mean when you know theres someone better then you at smth

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25669918

[acoustic dune]

i too would blackmail them

[stone fern]

sure but still necrons were just lazy

[acoustic dune]

fair nuff

[fast iron]

do they like actually have a choice, they seem kinda mind controlled

[stone fern]

when they had flesh they still had free will

their leaders still do and they regreted it

[placid fiber]

it's only the leaders that still have full free will

so it's probably harder to research that shit

[acoustic dune]

its stockholme syndrome

[stone fern]

nah i mean like pre pre history

[frank quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[stone fern]

instead of taking the shards deal

[fast iron]

also there's the uhhhhhh

void dragon

on mars

[stone fern]

why couldnt they just fix themselves

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1257265944397615198.webp?size=96&animated=true

[ancient spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-cat-flame-cat-flamethrower-cat-funny-cat-wet-gif-10283127687092600055

[acoustic dune]

desperation

shrimply

[placid fiber]

Yes

[frank quail]

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-cat-gif-26130953

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1143871712736333908.webp?size=96&animated=true

[ancient spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-arnie-borzoidog-dog-arnieborzoi-gif-6295305143554602675

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-wh40k-gif-7750560

[placid fiber]

I'm convinced

[acoustic dune]

i mean

in a technical point

human are mammals

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/cassowary-kick-attack-gif-27328569

danger bird

[acoustic dune]

the greek was up to smth

and didnt consider the concept of evolution

[placid fiber]

cassowaries are dangerous mfs

[acoustic dune]

which is intriguing of what it would look like if the ancient start researching into the idea of evolution

[fast iron]

this is what resulted in the trise of the adeptus mechanicus, and so the Machine God may actually be the void dragon

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/dragoon-dragon-gif-22350187

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[twin wagon]

Furry

🫵

[fast iron]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mag'ladroth Which, if they are, means they might technically also be possible imperium allies as they technically do share goals of ultimately stopping psychic power and influence from the warp.

[ancient spoke]

i do believe this belongs in zealot chat

[fast iron]

https://tenor.com/bQugk.gif

[placid fiber]

pretty sure that's seath the scaleless lol

[twin wagon]

Furry

Scaly in this case

[placid fiber]

has no scales bro

[fast iron]

as a furry I can confirm they fall under the title of furries

scalies are furries sorry

[placid fiber]

I'm not a scaly lol

[fast iron]

seath the scaleless is also a furry

[twin wagon]

He did

[placid fiber]

I'm not a furry either <.<

[twin wagon]

Lore wise

[fast iron]

also no afaik they didn't

they were born without scales, was kinda salty over it, and so betrayed the dragons or something

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1144083921915629758.webp?size=96&animated=true

[twin wagon]

Didn't he dream of having fabolous scales before been born, got shafted and threw a legendary tantrum?

[placid fiber]

in all honesty I don't know dark souls lore worth a shit

lol

I know that linking the fire is kind of a bad ending, but, that's about it

[twin wagon]

Everything in dork souls is bad

[placid fiber]

Yeah

Everything is the bad end

except sollaire

who can have a bad end

[fast iron]

look in dark souls 2 someone is using rituals to basically become a dragon themselves, which coincidentally seems to be scaleless and somewhat familiar of seath. hmmmmmmmmm

perhaps from seath's research

[placid fiber]

tfw you wanna be a scaly so hard you turn yourself into a dragon

[fast iron]

and if making spells that turn you into a dragon doesn't make you furry i don't know what does

[placid fiber]

I don't know what kinda kinks the dark souls creators have lol

[fast iron]

technically they more wanted to make a heir strong enough to link the flame, and thought they had to become a dragon to do so

so they did so, and then fucked Gwynevere apparently

[placid fiber]

Man dark souls lore is fucked up lol

[fast iron]

....who isn't even fucking real so

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[acoustic dune]

blood borne

[placid fiber]

I was gonna say isn't she an illusion

[fast iron]

and is actually an illusion made by a dude raised as a lady their whole life who crossdresses and

[placid fiber]

gwyndoline or w/e

probably got the L from gwyn too many times

[acoustic dune]

doesnt radish become a consort of his brother in the elden ring dlc

[placid fiber]

Radon or w/e?

elden ring lore is like dark souls lore lol

[fast iron]

well gwyndolin was ugly as fuck, and had dark moon power, so they was raised as female so they couldn't become the king's heir

[acoustic dune]

Radon

[placid fiber]

I love how we jumped from 40k to souls lore on the fly

[fast iron]

When he has suffered enough damage, the king becomes completely feral and slams his invisible child against the ground in frustration, causing an explosion of magic energy. also the dragon baby was dunk slammed on the ground apparently

so uh

dark souls 2 was fucked up and I kind of just now realized "wait isn't that in elden ring"

[placid fiber]

that's dark souls 3

[fast iron]

hmm.

thought it was 2.

mostly because I didn't think I got far enough in 3 to actually fight oceiros but I guess i did

[placid fiber]

The brothers were in 3

[normal wren]

Thtats 3

You gotta fight the thicc dancer to get to them

[placid fiber]

lol

thicc dancer xD

[fast iron]

oh right, the brothers were after the equivalent of ornstein and smough in dark souls 1 where the quality of the game feels like it plummets off a cliff

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-the-souls-gif-9284477

[placid fiber]

dark souls 2 was a trip into down hill valley

the best thing about dark souls 2, imo, is 4 ring slots

[fast iron]

and people complain about a rotting lady with one hand.

[placid fiber]

and I guess power stancing iirc

or maybe it was weapon arts

[fast iron]

you have like all of that in elden ring thooooo

but also dark souls 2 is the only dark souls game i actually finished. soooooooo

[placid fiber]

dark souls 2 is the worst of the souls series, imo... but it's still a good game

[fast iron]

didn't it also have the rat covenant

i fucking loved the rat king

[placid fiber]

It did have a rat covenant

[ancient spoke]

ds3 is the worst cuz it's sleeper af, best pvp tho

[fast iron]

"Welcome.... to Dark Souls MXC!"

[placid fiber]

You have some of the best boss fights in it tho

[fast iron]

https://tenor.com/1KYE.gif

[ancient spoke]

nah, ds2 had way more personality including in it's fights

[fast iron]

god it was so fun watching 'invaders' try to kill me in the most biased onesided 'gameshow'

[placid fiber]

eh

[ancient spoke]

and they weren't piss easy like in ds3 due to instant estus and op rolling

bonfires constantly too

[placid fiber]

You could kinda cheese them with op rolling if you got agility

the weapons breaking was the roughest part

but 2 had a lot of enemy spam

[ancient spoke]

only if you stood in acid

[fast iron]

https://darksouls.fandom.com/wiki/Aldrich,_Devourer_of_Gods yeah i burned out around this dude

[placid fiber]

some of the weapons could break in 1 fight lol

[fast iron]

loved their work though, making cursed rings that turn people monstrously furry? amazing

[ancient spoke]

only silly ones like old whip from the crow nest gacha

[placid fiber]

and if you used them at all on the way up to a boss they risked breaking

[normal wren]

I played 2 last

[fast iron]

as the rat covenant you also got spells that let you break other people's gear >:3

[normal wren]

Mainly because I needed a pc upgrade to play it and when I started 3 had just came out....

[fast iron]

person invades you, shoots piss that breaks all your armor, rings, and weapons

[fast iron]

well part of this was because of a bug in the PC version :p

...because it was FPS dependent.

[placid fiber]

wait that's what caused that shit? lol

cause weapons got broke really fast for me lol

[golden rain]

It wasn't a bug, to correct you.

The game was designed to be played at 30fps

[fast iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls2/comments/326ugc/psa_the_durability_bug_in_sotfs_pc_tested_with/ oh actually it never was fixed

oh nevermind

patch on may 2015 fixed it

the bug also made ripostes deal more damage LOL

this was technically a buff for one weapon that could only be obtained by breaking a ridiculously high durability weapon

...that was literally a spear stuck inside a giant block of rock.

[normal wren]

Lucerne

[fast iron]

https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Santiers+Spear

it was not

[placid fiber]

what's funny is I never really learned parrying in dark souls 2

dark souls 1 I did, but, not 2

[fast iron]

afaik identicalt o every other souls game, oddly enough, despite dark souls 2 being.... different in many ways?

oh, hmmm

had startup frames

[placid fiber]

dark souls 2 fall damage:

fall 15 feet, lose 1/2-3/4 of your hp

[fast iron]

fixed health damage apparently

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[fast iron]

so you just outed yourself as being vigor checked

[placid fiber]

Being able to survive the well without the cats eye ring lol

cuz u have enough hp

[fast iron]

well the silvercat ring apparently simply reduces the total damage by 600 lol

[placid fiber]

Which is a lot <.<

[fast iron]

elden ring it's a percentage of HP and mayeb other games

[placid fiber]

Dark souls 1 it is a % as well

[fast iron]

but also like elden ring, falls of a certain height will kill you regardless of any fall protection

[placid fiber]

I am 99% sure of

Same for dark souls 1

[fast iron]

(you afaik basically are just straight up murdered if you fall long enough/far enough unless you pass through a no die from fall volume)

[placid fiber]

Just land on some ash like in dark souls 3

smh my head

[fast iron]

well, it's more complicated weeeeeeh

so 12 seconds of being in a falling animation means death, shortened to 3 seconds in some areas

[placid fiber]

falls 9 bajillion feet and lands on some ash

Perfectly fine

that's I think exclusively in the dlc area

for ds3

where you have the "angels"

[fast iron]

15.99m is no damage, 16m is 30% of maximum HP, 19.99m is 50% of maximum HP, and anything higher is D E A T H

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Elden-Ring/mechanics-fall-damage-critical-attack-elden-ring-wiki-480px.gif

[placid fiber]

20m is a long ass fall if you think of it lol

[fast iron]

and then there's invulnerability bullshit i guess

[placid fiber]

that's 3.3x 20 for feet which is ~66 feet for a fall

that's 6 and a half stories right?

[fast iron]

funnily enough the 12 seconds is actually how long it takes to reach terminal velocity for a human usually belly to earth position

[placid fiber]

The world's ultimate belly flop...

[fast iron]

needs to be like 573 meters of distance tho it seems.

also survivable

[placid fiber]

Well yeah people have survived terminal velocity before x.x

it's just generally you won't

[visual stream]

You're supposed to land on your butt instead of your legs

[placid fiber]

that way you can shove your ass straight up your lungs

All I know about jumping from like at least 10 feet is stop drop and roll

[fast iron]

looks like you should have used the monastery scimitar :p

(lmao the balancing in dark souls 2 was so whack)

literally only a single weapon apparently it's worth trying to parry with

oh

also i learned why 'phantom hits' are a thing in elden ring and other dark souls games and why rolling is so strong in PvP

turns out that in order for a hit to register, they have to be in a vulnerable non-rolling state on both screens

[placid fiber]

sounds about right

[fast iron]

if it's only visible on one, status effects might go through(i forgot which one it has to hit on, maybe the attacker) but damage won't

this means that past a certain ping, it is literally impossible to damage someone else roll spamming in PvP

[placid fiber]

gets scarlet rotted

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[fast iron]

yeah you wanna know the even more BS thing

[placid fiber]

isn't scarlet rot, lorewise, permanent?

[fast iron]

damage from bleeding can also get canceled by this >:3

[placid fiber]

lol

I seem to remember in elden ring that scarlet rot is more or less permanent, according to lore

[fast iron]

only past the point that as a player you'd be dead i think

otherwise various curatives do work

[plucky gate]

iirc bleed hits rolling players in elden ring but not on ds3

[placid fiber]

I mean when afflicted

[plucky gate]

so in ds3 you could dodge bleed procs

the procs, not the buildup

[fast iron]

you can in elden ring too but it requires specific requirements

[lean lark]

you can dodge freeze and bleed procs in elden ring

[placid fiber]

you must do a double fakey into a bomb flip with a triple whoopty fucking doo

[lean lark]

its really easy to do

[plucky gate]

the buildup hitting you during rolls in souls games is so bs though

[fast iron]

https://www.reddit.com/user/sleepless_sheeple/comments/udlb1k/elden_ring_datamined_resource_collection/ i mean do you want to go down the rabbit hole in elden ring

[plucky gate]

i remember torturing people with poison rot in elden ring invasions by just status procing them without hitting them

[fast iron]

that's skill issue though, because it means you avoided damage because of forgiving netcode.

[placid fiber]

pvp in souls games went from a 1v1 into gank simulator

where 3 guys are pounding you at onc- wait...

[fast iron]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dTJsUb28vCvyTeQZPOMY5KFei4MG9TfLqHzkrvPzvXQ/edit?tab=t.0

hey did you want even more info on elden ring pvp

[placid fiber]

I wanna know how many pvp fights end up with a 3 vs the host

[fast iron]

it has stuff like wavedashing, which apparently exists

[plucky gate]

I have most of my souls pvp time in the first couple years of ds3

1k hours of the most dogshit pvp meta known to man

back when carthus curved sword was meta, before pontiff knight curved sword took its place

everyone played reactively

it was some insane dogshit

[fast iron]

also there's apparently a bug in elden ring PvP where holy damage is just simply not affected by damage increasing effects

[plucky gate]

no offensive tool was actually good enough to match any decent player's rolling

you basically attacked out of pity or boredom

[fast iron]

In Elden Ring, you can only deal damage with an attack if the opponent is outside of i-frames on your screen and on their screen. If the opponent is in i-frames on your screen, your attack doesn’t attempt to damage them. If the opponent was damaged on your screen but is already in i-frames on theirs, they will also not receive damage, but a phantom hit. but this is why you can receive status buildups during a 'roll'

basically, to not receive damage OR status effects, you havve to be rolling on their screen not yours

which is why spamming light/medium rolls make you almost impossible to hit, actually literally invincible in dark souls 3 even with 270ms of latency or more

[plucky gate]

if latency wasn't a thing in ds3, no one could ever hit each other

[fast iron]

incorrect

it would be far easier to rollcancel

er rollpunish

roll catch that's the term

[plucky gate]

no but you just play reactively

no one would swing

[fast iron]

yeah there's like one problem with that though

[plucky gate]

There's actually no good offense in ds3

[fast iron]

you know that bullshit elden ring bosses do where they take forever to launch their attacks?

yeah that's charged heavy attacks in ds3

[plucky gate]

none of that works with proper spacing in ds3

[fast iron]

i screwed people up hard with the partizan in ds3 pvp lol

in elden ring though i just turn into a giant dragon and eat people

usually they don't expect that

[plucky gate]

if there wasn't lag, outspacing spears would just be free

[fast iron]

"haha this will be an easy gank i'll just" host just turns their head into a giant life-sized dragon head and eats the invader in a single chomp

[placid fiber]

Just use this in dark souls 1 and win lol

makes it so you can't roll or run pretty much

[plucky gate]

there isn't an actual good way to approach someone in ds3 without heavy lag

you can realistically always roll away if you have proper positioning

if you rollcaught them, they panic rolled from a bad position to begin with

at least elden ring has more usable hyper armor tools to promote some offense

[polar nexus]

I don't remember that part Incan. I do remember him talking about knowing devs and playtesters though. Too bad he's been banned and it's a pain to search the message history.

[placid fiber]

Armor became more fashion the further we got into the souls games

[plucky gate]

oh i remember thinking dorn pretending to be a playtester

[placid fiber]

in dark souls 1 you had something like the black iron armor or havel's armor

[fast iron]

i admittedly also like mage bullshit spam builds so

[plucky gate]

he was talking about what havoc was like and i actually believed him

[fast iron]

even in elden ring my tactics tend to be "ok i am going to conjure up as much bullshit to throw your way as I have spell slots and FP"

[placid fiber]

havoc is, basically, WoW but with Darktide set pieces lol

[polar nexus]

People assumed he was a playtester because he probably had some insider knowledge.

[placid fiber]

Aren't non-special spawns also predetermined in havoc?

[plucky gate]

this is also more viable in elden ring than ds3

[lean lark]

elden ring allows all kinds of buillshit

[polar nexus]

He was right about the "don't remove gunner resistance" after Tanner's curios video.

[placid fiber]

Gee... gunner resist being king... who would have guessed

[polar nexus]

It's completely non mandatory outside of havoc 20+ tbh

[placid fiber]

It's non mandatory in aurics either technically >.>

[plucky gate]

none of the curio perks are mandatory

[placid fiber]

You're just gonna get omega shredded by the 40 fucking gunners

[plucky gate]

but it's one of the nicer ones

[placid fiber]

It's a massive quality of life for sure

[polar nexus]

True but people like to make you think otherwise.

[placid fiber]

there are stats that are the better options

but it really is up to personal choice

I'm going to recommend the better options, tho, if someone asks

[plucky gate]

people act like curio perks are massive
but like 5% hp is 7.5 hp on other classes or 10 hp on zealot. Tiny ass numbers, and this is probably one of the better curio perks

[royal vortex]

i only use grey curios

[plucky gate]

20% res is actually a pretty big number compared to a lot of perks, and for an actually relevant enemy type

[fast iron]

er, ogryn tho

[plucky gate]

ogryn not real sorry

[fast iron]

wow.

[placid fiber]

As you should

[polar nexus]

I only use +2 wounds curios.

[solar gorge]

glory to the woundmaxxers

even more glory if ur on ogryn

[fast iron]

do +2 wound curios even exist

[placid fiber]

marty oggy

below 33% hp get double returns on toughness generation

[polar nexus]

A YouTuber once said that in a promoted DT video

Poor dude had a zealot-chat intifada on his head for weeks

[north sedge]

He said alot of wild stuff

[polar nexus]

True

[north sedge]

But hey, at least he actually did play the test build

[polar nexus]

Does anyone know why they chose +17% and +21% as max value on curios?

[plucky gate]

It's probably supposed to be approximately 80% of 20%/25%

Gameslantern actually used to have 20%/25% as the maximums around launch. I always had just assumed they datamined that and maybe it was in the code somewhere

[polar nexus]

[candid shuttle]

I'm actually doing somewhat good against bosses with my chainaxe

[polar nexus]

Maybe the numbers were different during the closed beta and changed when they opened it.

[plucky gate]

I think the website also had 2 wounds as the max

maybe we'll get +2 wounds if we ever get 100% stats

[polar nexus]

That's a fine weapon against unyielding

[plucky gate]

or maybe gameslantern was just guessing. This was really early when no one knew anything anyways

[polar nexus]

I wonder if we'll get another big wide balance patch

[plucky gate]

I'm wondering how long till we get 100% on weapons and enough power creep happens for people to call havoc 40 too easy

[polar nexus]

I think they based that on data mining. There were a lot of wild stuff back then...

[candid shuttle]

Is chainaxe good for blazing piety

I mean I normally get it

[polar nexus]

That's still very hard for 99% of the user base

[north sedge]

No

[polar nexus]

It's more a martyrdom or IJ weapon

[north sedge]

Run either of the other keystones

[candid shuttle]

Ehh

I quite like it tbh

[polar nexus]

It's not a Crit / finesse weapon

[plucky gate]

ah found an old image.
Yeah curios used to display a number here up to 80, so supposedly 100 would be 25% max hp or something

[north sedge]

You'd quite like it alot more on the other keystones

[candid shuttle]

I like the number at the bottom

[polar nexus]

You don't really get value from bp

[candid shuttle]

Does piety affect ranged weapons too

[plucky gate]

although 21% isn't exactly 78% of 25

probably weird rounding or it starts at 1 i guess

[polar nexus]

+3 Stam (the real ones) started at 76 too

[polar nexus]

What number?

[polar nexus]

The +10% Crit yeah.

[candid shuttle]

Piety stacks when you kill people

[polar nexus]

IJ stacks when you dodge

[drowsy steppe]

looking at code type sh

[candid shuttle]

I'm running a fluffy ass build where it's just all about straight killing

[fast iron]

based on stuff in the code about "overloads" for weapons it seems like it may have been intended for room for boosts if a mechanic needs it

[polar nexus]

The problem is that there's no synergy with chainaxe

[candid shuttle]

My zealot is named Bloodforthegodemp for a reason

[fast iron]

like weapon 'overloads' are basically up to 20% boosts to a stat for a similar negative in another stat.

such as +20% heat buildup stat for -20% penetration or whatever

[candid shuttle]

15% crit chance is enough for my DB and Chainaxe

[drowsy steppe]

strangely a fitting chat to do this type of shit

[fast iron]

it's also possible the stat system for weapons is identical to that used for curios... which has an 80% stat limit. lol

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/fortunate-gif-9640006874219993911

presents for bingus

[fleet zealot]

no no

it's not

[north sedge]

And you'd be killing alot more with other keystones on chainaxe

[fleet zealot]

chainaxe really loves attack speed and raw damage boosts and scales poorly with crit

doubly so for bleed

chaxes can oneshot anything that isn't a boss in this game or in the case of mk4, quickly shred it down with just lights

you need to cover for your horde/bruiser swarm weakness which is what attack speed does

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762816022616080386/1320765807005007913/tumblr_e2f980731375ee555c81af325b52f4e7_07ddaef8_540.webp

[fleet zealot]

no bones

[stone fern]

🤔

i know stam 410 is real

BUT does 430 give like .2 more stamina than a 410?

[plucky gate]

I don't think so?

never seen anyone mention it

[placid fiber]

pretty sure it rounds it to 3

[fleet zealot]

DISGUSTING AI

I HATE AI

EVIL

(I know it's edited)

[placid fiber]

uh... <.<

yeah it's edited

but I don't know if that is AI

could be lol

[stone fern]

yeah it rounds but is it slightly MORE?

[placid fiber]

:3

[hearty nebula]

allrecipes?

[stone fern]

i was in another channel

😭

[hearty nebula]

that's a legit site

i've used it a few times before, it just depends on who wrote it

[placid fiber]

"idk, is ur face slightly more than 3?"

[stone fern]

yes 😭

[placid fiber]

Well good

[placid fiber]

if ur face was 3 nanometers I'd be concerned

[placid fiber]

It's cica, what do you expect from them?

[lunar fable]

[grave cypress]

What do you think poxburster is thinking about right now

[placid fiber]

cheese

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/chili-cheese-fries-fries-french-fries-french-fries-day-gif-18423881

[clever swan]

"is the cheese drippy"

[placid fiber]

the cheese:

[lunar fable]

lol

[placid fiber]

he be chilling

[normal wren]

Myyyy kill

[lunar fable]

it's time

[normal wren]

Dude you are on fucking fire

[lunar fable]

to climb havoc

[placid fiber]

fuck havoc, that's my opinion lol

[drowsy steppe]

high havoc fun

[placid fiber]

I might do another 16 run for that sweet 5.4k plasteel tho

or w/e the amount was that I got

[normal wren]

I just want 1k diamantine a week

[drowsy steppe]

you get 35000+ plasteel as a 40 reward

[placid fiber]

idc

I ain't playing WoW in Darktide

[normal wren]

So I can max a weapon a week

[placid fiber]

I have like 38k diamantine still

[grave cypress]

A game mode that forces the players that want to be the main character to instead play as the team as god intended

[drowsy steppe]

I got everything I wanted on zealot

[placid fiber]

It makes the game play more like a mmorpg

[drowsy steppe]

and Im just super hyperfixating on the relic sword

[clever swan]

they should've just added a nice and fun gamemode before havoc then no one would be feeling like they really have to play havoc

[drowsy steppe]

so the extra mats is just for collecting

[violet hornet]

Havok 40 isn't even that difficult anymore, the last couple clears my team just stuck together, didn't rush too hard, and passed first attempt

[drowsy steppe]

its nice though not having to play multiple missions to get tons of plasteel

[violet hornet]

30 is harder since there always a couple skill capped shitters you have to carry that have no concept of teamwork

[placid fiber]

idc if I'm the main character or not, I just want to have fun

[grave cypress]

I would love whatever this thing is for zealot, if you tell me that this shit is just a curio make it a weapon of somesort

[violet hornet]

Not all games with team play or roles are mmorpgs, and mmorpgs rarely have any real combat mechanics, which darktide has

[placid fiber]

Maybe, but, the way you have a role makes it feel like a mmorpg to me

[violet hornet]

Never played tf2? Or a moba? Or overwatch?

[placid fiber]

like use this approximate build/talent tree or your trolling

[violet hornet]

Or any RTS or non-mmo RPG?

[placid fiber]

I played tf2 a tiny bit

[drowsy steppe]

I for one just roll with whatever team comp that a random party accepts me

[placid fiber]

tf2 doesn't have a talent tree

[drowsy steppe]

I only left if theyre exceptionally bad at playing high havoc

[violet hornet]

Or any game on the battlefield series lol

[placid fiber]

I just don't find the havoc mode to be fun

[drowsy steppe]

actually since I use FOTF to high havocs my intent is to be the #1 damage dealer anyways

[grave cypress]

Bigger variety of bosses and enemies would be nice 8)

[placid fiber]

rather than a captain every 3rd of the mission with a burgle?

granted that is a specific modifier I bet

[drowsy steppe]

1 normal and 1 sanction redactus spawning at the same time is..not optimal

[placid fiber]

give us a fucking daemonhost or a chaos spawn with the captain, that'd be interesting

[grave cypress]

the new map having us kill cultists to break down green shield barriers was a nice switch-up of usual objectives of pushing buttons and carrying buckets

[twilit otter]

havoc is very specific and predictable

[placid fiber]

Yep

[violet hornet]

I think I prefer havoc to normal matches at this point, less people leaving, no chance of randomly joining a failed run, and people actually make an attempt to stick together/ watch each other's backs

[clever swan]

i'd rather die than play with randoms on havoc

[violet hornet]

Being the only player attempting team play while three others play solo with blinders on is exhausting

[placid fiber]

to each their own, I kinda knew havoc wasn't going to be for me to begin with >.>

[twilit otter]

mid level havoc pugs are an absolute nightmare

[drowsy steppe]

randoms arent a problem in havocs in my experience 9/10 times

[twilit otter]

most are over in the first 5 minutes

[clever swan]

i swear it's as though people have no idea how to stay alive on their own

[twin wagon]

Fellow zealots

I come here to get a meme build

Boss Killer knife

[placid fiber]

The one havoc I did I somehow got a coherent team lol

[violet hornet]

Yeah this is true, from 20 to 30ish there's a lot of skill capped people trying to run squishy damage builds like they would in a normal match without any regard for their own safety, positioning, or what the spawn redirector is doing which can end a match quickly

[fleet zealot]

precog+duelist

[placid fiber]

and lacerate

[grave cypress]

Had someone called something like silverfox today on the havoc partyfinder, level 41 zealot, refuses to stay with team just runs on ahead, gets dogged, we picked him up, runs on ahead, dead, we revive him, runs on ahead-

[drowsy steppe]

precog + riposte/uncanny + duelist like bandit says

[grave cypress]

It's people like silverfox which is why I now understand why some parents put their kids on a leash

[violet hornet]

Havoc reminds me more of old left 4 dead pvp meta vs the brain rot pve meta that darktide has fallen into

[placid fiber]

You see... I already know how randos operate, so this wouldn't surprise me lol

[twin wagon]

Lacerate mercy killer grabbed

[violet hornet]

Yep saw a guy so this 4-5 times and quit yesterday lol

[placid fiber]

Ew, mk is only for vets

[violet hornet]

That was my last under-20 match for the day after seeing that shit

[placid fiber]

also I wouldn't use lacerate without uncanny lol

[vast basin]

the only acceptable blessing to combo with lacerate is uncanny

^^

[placid fiber]

Yep

[twin wagon]

I HAVE COOKED

[placid fiber]

Hey look, a good knife

[drowsy steppe]

use the mk6

🙂

[placid fiber]

the mk6 is for me, but, I know the mk3 has advantages

[vast basin]

no

[placid fiber]

I just hate the mk3 knife

[fleet zealot]

my sister was one of those

my mom thought she would get kidnapped cause she'd just ditch us and start talking to random people

whenever we went shopping

[placid fiber]

I have always hated the mk3 knife, I never considered the knife a damnation viable weapon for me until the mk6 knife was released

[rocky nacelle]

lacerate uncanny is for people who suck

(like dorn)

[drowsy steppe]

grub...

[placid fiber]

lacerate uncanny is for people with poor aim

[grave cypress]

Ogryn has 3 knives, some people call them cleavers. None of them are good. MK4 is passable. Using knife on other classes feels like a delicious treat in comparison of any MK

[placid fiber]

for horde clear

otherwise precog + riposte/uncannny is king

well the bull butcher is kind of a cleaver... the other 2 mks are knives tho

[rocky nacelle]

uncanny/precog > everything

[rocky nacelle]

speak for yourself

oh wait you guys cant

[drowsy steppe]

grub...

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-pepehmm-table-council-gif-16396395487368552941

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1152255403174928414/1139651508892352533.gif?=

[drowsy steppe]

stan taking notes

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[placid fiber]

@hushed knoll Hey look, we're taking notes

[lunar fable]

no way

randoms with hands

[placid fiber]

randos that kill disablers?!

https://tenor.com/view/pewpewpewpew-ahmed-mohsin-أحمد-محسن-hedgehog-dancing-meme-gif-2754780489075620554

[lunar fable]

veteran chest piece with candles

[placid fiber]

well zealot has too many candles

so veteran

for the feelz

so u can rp as a zelly

on a vet

[violet hornet]

Yeah I saw that, entire set looks like they're disguised as a zealot

[rocky nacelle]

Makes it easier to shoot barrels by them

guiding light

[placid fiber]

[lunar fable]

it doesn't look bad

but i also don't really play vet

[rocky nacelle]

I agree with what unepic Cole said

[lunar fable]

and i don't really swipe for cosmetics

[placid fiber]

I only play vet so I can use the revolver and feel like I'm not trolling

[rocky nacelle]

the zealot re run going through the store rn

shoulda been black

[lunar fable]

my friend said he owes me a gift card for my birthday

[rocky nacelle]

big fan of the skulls but unless you have red shit

[placid fiber]

give us a black mask

[lunar fable]

even though i insisted i don't want any gifts

[rocky nacelle]

it’s kinda mid

[lunar fable]

maybe i buy some aquilas with it idk

[placid fiber]

or a red mask

all we have r gold n white

[lunar fable]

but i'll probably get zealot cosmetics if i buy anything

[rocky nacelle]

there is a red mask on the page rn

lol

[placid fiber]

wait there is?

[rocky nacelle]

it’s just not a good mask compared to better ones or psyker ones (also better ones)

[lunar fable]

LOL

[placid fiber]

oh

[rocky nacelle]

no the red mf doom one

above that one

[fleet zealot]

lmao

[lunar fable]

they all look funny on my zealot

[rocky nacelle]

that makes it better

[lunar fable]

mf blob

that's me

[rocky nacelle]

(for you)

I can’t do it cause majima moment

eyepatch or wear a full head covering mask is all I have to do

[fleet zealot]

MF Slop

[placid fiber]

I want a red or black version of this one

[lunar fable]

[fleet zealot]

eyepatch is the best head cosmetic

and it's free

[placid fiber]

guess this is the closest thing we'll get to a good full head helmet

[rocky nacelle]

Unironically pill

There is one and I’m pretty sure it comes with a hood

one of the super early cosmetics

[placid fiber]

Ah

Also isn't this just a worse version of the shrineguard one?

[rocky nacelle]

the mask is not black but the entire color is like red and black

I might try and find it

[opal star]

the recolor is crazy

[lunar fable]

no hood

[placid fiber]

the shrineguard one I wanted when I saw it lol

[lunar fable]

[placid fiber]

damn I missed out

[opal star]

is-
is the shop really that bad oh my god why are there so many recolors

[rocky nacelle]

Yeah I think that one comes with a hood originally

and it’s black and red

[placid fiber]

I remember seeing this one, but, not the red one

[lunar fable]

oh does this mod not show every cosmetic

[placid fiber]

my eye is visible!

or rather the skin around it

[misty nova]

Bro's smiling

[rocky nacelle]

Oh hey I got the recent version of this

[lunar fable]

[rocky nacelle]

white and gold gilded hood + mask

I quite like it

(Just doesn’t go with shit I currently own lmfao)

[placid fiber]

fatshark is good at recoloring shit...

[atomic fjord]

Kin do we fuck w this

[frosty herald]

I NEED THIS ON ZEALOT SO BAD

[rocky nacelle]

Pretty good

[lunar fable]

what was the difference between fading light 1 and 2

[fleet zealot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903&searchtext=havoc

[rocky nacelle]

They want to kill you harder

significantly so

[frosty herald]

At fading light 2 every ranged enemy becomes king von

[rocky nacelle]

(I don’t know a difference I just know they shoot faster like destiny 2)

[rocky nacelle]

Shut your Snow White pasty ass up

[drowsy steppe]

Snow White pasty ass up

[frosty herald]

Smh blasians man

[drowsy steppe]

white boy acting hood

[lunar fable]

no lobbies up anyways

sadge

i skipped from 25 to 29 though

[frosty herald]

Rude

[placid fiber]

uh... I think that's a vet piece

[frosty herald]

Read

[errant ermine]

GOOD gun

[errant ermine]

with heavy Eviscerator

[placid fiber]

I did read x.x

super p diddy the 3rd

I made my cat into a taco by folding the pillow she was laying on around her lol

[lunar fable]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-liquid-cup-cute-gif-5803945508306517547

[misty nova]

Any
It's an eviscerator, it pairs well with any
.....
Except shredder auto pistol

[errant ermine]

any specifics?

[lunar fable]

just you wait

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-cats-nyan-cat-mexico-taco-gif-17497972

[lunar fable]

next year

[errant ermine]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d2b5a53-1975-4850-8041-0bc911ac4efc/holy-gains-crit-fury-martyrdom

[lunar fable]

shredder to the moon

[errant ermine]

is this good

ignore the jacked jesus

[lunar fable]

jacked jesus goes hard

[placid fiber]

rip this lol

[errant ermine]

what

[placid fiber]

And no for these curios

[errant ermine]

then give me a specific build 😭

i dont play zealot usually

[placid fiber]

you want toughness, gunner resist, and health/stamina regen for your curio perks generally speaking

[misty nova]

So crit eviscerator but Martyrdom

[placid fiber]

for the better perks

Also the crit chance perk is bad compared to other perks which are much better

the stat rolls are perfect

tho you can dump cleave targets instead of mobility on the mk15

[lunar fable]

uh

ok

gl to me ig

i joined a 30-35

[placid fiber]

I mean if you really wanted to meme around with a crit eviscerator marty build you could use something like this

[misty nova]

Or

Rampage Bloodthirsty

[placid fiber]

tho personally I'd use something more like this myself

[errant ermine]

i dont really like

throwing knives

i usually go stun grenades

[placid fiber]

tknives have the best pathing for crit builds in general

otherwise you have to use 3-4 talent points for pathing on top of the crit talents

[visual stream]

tknives have the best pathing for crit builds in general

[placid fiber]

^

and the most versatility in use

Sure stun nades have the best clutching potential, but, tknives are the most versatile

[visual stream]

Most clutches for me at least end because of specialists, which tknives are designed to kill anyway

Stun is an easier save though true

[vague depot]

How high up do I need to aim to nail a sniper 40 feet away with the stun nade

[placid fiber]

Yes

lol

A fairly decent arc

[visual stream]

The line should tell you anyhow

[vague depot]

Why tf are zealots penances so frustrating lmao I played psyker for like 5 days and I’m already finished with all the “challenge” penances

[placid fiber]

they can blow up in the air if you aim too high

[vague depot]

How am I supposed to backstab a enemy without going into shroud field

[placid fiber]

kill the enemy from behind

[vague depot]

Don’t ranged enemies no longer count as a ranged enemy when they pull out their melee weapon

[placid fiber]

dodge around it

[visual stream]

Dodge behind them after they attack or kill enemies aggro'd on teammates

[placid fiber]

Yep

[visual stream]

Oh you mean for that penance

[placid fiber]

That penance is a pain

You kinda gotta blitz the enemy I think

[twin wagon]

WHY

[placid fiber]

maybe stagger them as well

[twin wagon]

MK3 ON TOP

[placid fiber]

mk3 on top for some people

it's down to preference for the most part

[vague depot]

So run up and push before they pull out their melee?

[placid fiber]

I think

I haven't done the penance

so idk if that works for sure

[vague depot]

Wallahi

[placid fiber]

but my guess is that

[vague depot]

I don’t wanna play knife loner shroud

It sounds like a pain in the ass

[placid fiber]

loner penance = shit

[vague depot]

Yea that’s about right

[placid fiber]

You're best bet is probably use shroudfield to get close to a group, kill one and stagger the others

[vague depot]

Alright

[placid fiber]

I haven't used loner since they fixed the toughness node below benediction, and I have 0 regrets about that lol

"1 extra talent point for a 15 toughness node AND benediction? Sign me tf up"

[hard nexus]

also maelstroms of mostly ranged

[lunar fable]

mmm

havoc 40 in my game

doing half my damage

[vague depot]

I don’t remember what ascension riser is

Or the train event

[rocky nacelle]

feels good right

[hard nexus]

the even where you have to move 2 trains out of the way

[hard nexus]

map with the giant elevator at the end, and you have to take the prismata crystal to the extract

[vague depot]

Ooh ok

[placid fiber]

ascension riser?

[hard nexus]

yes

[placid fiber]

funny how I can remember the name of that map, but, not some of the maps we've had since launch lol

[lunar fable]

@rocky nacelle i got blown up by our shooter shooting a burster with his plasma

[hard nexus]

real

[vague depot]

By opposite side do you mean that little ledge by the entrance where enemies drop down or the doors where they come out of

[hard nexus]

when you get to the second train

the team will be by the data interrogator

[vague depot]

Hopefully

[hard nexus]

you go back to where you drop down into that arena

[vague depot]

Alright

[placid fiber]

Kinda what I was thinking. Free backstabs out of coherency

[hard nexus]

yarp

[placid fiber]

That's one of the places I remember about it: the shooters spawning way in the back when you're all the way on the other side lol

and the area ahead of that can be rough

[visual stream]

Have y'all seen the new Dying Light thing they're making

Kyle Crane is alive Ig

[frosty herald]

DO IT PICOLLO

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/raditz-gif-26411713

[placid fiber]

There u go lol

just had to search through a fuck ton of raditz gifs to find that one

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/raditz-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-goku-gohan-gif-26876236

reason's gohan doesn't like fighting compilation '

[copper hawk]

U hateth me

[lunar fable]

bruh moment

runs ahead instead of falling back

[copper hawk]

All of the grubcord grubs r my opps now

[placid fiber]

Yep lol

[copper hawk]

Fr fr

[lunar fable]

and aggros a dh

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-gohan-dragon-ball-dbz-tullece-gif-10503989103759193477

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-sonkux-sonadow-shadonic-sonamy-gif-7160818701465613186

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-teen-gohan-gohan-dragon-ball-z-cell-gif-16518396746029295230

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/snuggles-mayburi-bridget-may-guilty-gear-gif-2609034721282603831

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-frieza-super-saiyan-hit-gif-11918180

[rocky nacelle]

wait didnt reply

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/morik-meanleanbean-mean-lean-bean-gif-13040661151512520982

[copper hawk]

[fleet zealot]

like i hate how weak he is in like, GT

but god damn

i get bro

i wouldn't want to fight either

[placid fiber]

he looks like skin and bones in super

[fleet zealot]

even his dubs he is just on the floor paralyzed after (Cell and Bojack)

[placid fiber]

in that part

[fleet zealot]

tbf, super he is def more dad+scholar

[placid fiber]

Tru

[fleet zealot]

so i get it, and goku came back so there wasn't a need for him to be the strongest defender

[placid fiber]

Yep

He put up a fight for being full limp dad + scholar

[fleet zealot]

in GT tho he would've picked up some training after Bebe

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-gohan-ssj-vs-vegeta-gif-2837972862392593571

[fleet zealot]

like how he does after frieza in super

GT stands for goku time so no time for mystic gohan

[placid fiber]

I know what happened: he got metroided

lost almost all of his powerups

[rocky nacelle]

carthu dojo moment

GT stands for goku time

[placid fiber]

With what I saw from GT... I can't disagree with that

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-149-no-sus-in-general-meme-gif-5873767644698748427

that monkey

[placid fiber]

rip ssj4 in super tho lol

skipped straight to god form >.>

[placid fiber]

tho I wonder... with how taxing ssj3 is(iirc anyway) wouldn't ssj4 be even more taxing on energy...?

[fleet zealot]

SSJ4 is golden ape power so it's more natural iirc

[placid fiber]

Ah

[fleet zealot]

super saiyan x great ape transformation

[placid fiber]

Which would explain vegeta's shortcut to ssj4 lol

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/gogeta-super-saiyan-4-super-saiyan-blue-gif-10046482106997246335

[heady quail]

Can someone send the Zealot build outline please? I want to send that meme to someone

[fleet zealot]

considering GT's author wanted to go to SSJ5, i'm guessing SSJ4 is more like, ssj2 x great ape since it doesn't have ssj3 hair and lack of eyebrows

[placid fiber]

@hard nexus what's the outline thing u created that is an omega mess?

for the zealot talent tree

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-gate-fall-bunny-gate-fall-gif-17120893162149303529

flat!!!!!!!!

[placid fiber]

That

[heady quail]

Yeah that thing

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sandsten-tauren-druid-tank-derp-gif-20197936

[placid fiber]

I forgot to save it in my private dm channel lol... now it's there

[zealous basin]

private dn channel

[lunar fable]

is fire shotty in havoc 40 a thing

[placid fiber]

:3

[misty nova]

Uh
Mostly for suppression

[placid fiber]

didn't the fire shotgun super fall off?

[misty nova]

8 suppression normal
15 suppression fire shot

[placid fiber]

before havoc I mean

[misty nova]

And you'll be eating tons of ammo

[placid fiber]

I remember when the fire shotgun used to be goated

[zealous basin]

remember wallbanging dogs off ur teammates from 9 rooms away

that shit was awesome

[placid fiber]

I remember hearing of it lol

I never got around to using it back then

[nimble fiber]

[zealous basin]

i miss the old darktide

[placid fiber]

I miss the autopistol not being a troll weapon lol

idc if it gets to being powerful, I just want it to be at least mid

outside of its 2 uses: toughness and maniac damage

[misty nova]

One of the things I heard about fire shotgun is that it used to set entire hordes on fire

[placid fiber]

Yeah it did

and go through multiple layers of terrain

[spare dome]

It used to go through walls, then it only went through all enemies (bulwark shields included), then they gave it actual cleave values so now it does none of that.

[hard nexus]

isnt it beautiful

build variety....

[spare dome]

I genuinely think it should be juiced to the tits on its regular shot. Like a regular shot should pack enough damage to body a shotgunner imo

Up close without ADS specifically.

Keep the tremendous damage fall off or even make the fall off worse if necessary but it should be the best upclose shotgun so that it has a niche.

[placid fiber]

wait it doesn't 1 shot a shotgunner?

[spare dome]

With ADS and a headshot yes

[hard nexus]

u want the fire shotgun to be best at close range?

yah

agreed

[placid fiber]

without ads tho?

[hard nexus]

i wasnt saying that sarcastically btw

[spare dome]

Imagine just hipfiring it into some elites chest and they turn into meat

[hard nexus]

just trying 2 make sure i understood u

[spare dome]

That's what it should do

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[hard nexus]

meat....

[placid fiber]

It's a powerful shotty lol

it should fuck shit up

[spare dome]

Cause rn it has nothing