that's the twin linked
#zealot-class
placid fiber
misty nova
The twin linked one yeah
placid fiber
I'm talking the non-twin linked
spare talon
Why would you use the burn on a heavy stubber lmao
fleet zealot
poggers i guess
placid fiber
Why would you use the burn on a heavy stubber lmao
memes
copper hawk
U wouldnt get it Epic_Noob..
copper hawk
placid fiber
heavy stubber wants rendin
like I said: memes lol
I don't use the heavy stubber on my gunlugger builds unless it's for memes
spare talon
U wouldnt get it Epic_Noob..
fast iron
is there a better t hammer build o..o
placid fiber
It was a pretty easy search lol
copper hawk
violet hornet
is there a better t hammer build o..o
misty nova
is there a better t hammer build o..o
light badge
mfw spongebob rap is my power music
misty nova
Not Boiwhat
vague depot
Isn’t martyrdom overkill
For basically everything that isn’t a monstrosity
Wait wtf is this build
misty nova
No such thing as overkill 
placid fiber
btw it costs 1 talent point to get 15 extra toughness and use benediction instead of loner. :3
not that your build has 1 point to spare
placid fiber
I learned that a long time ago lol
as soon as they fixed the toughness node below benediction all builds took that path instead of loner, that had shroudfield
misty nova
Wait wtf is this build
Hammer one shot stealth 2024 not click bait
fast iron
toughness no wounds 
vague depot
lol
placid fiber
toughness no wounds <:Thonk:644707070364483591>
well yeah, this is an IJ build lol #zealot-class message
placid fiber
Probably save that info for later
but yeah 1 talent point for a 15 toughness node and benediction is a steal if you ask me lol
fast iron
does it oneshot bosses tho
placid fiber
If you take perfectionist it would lol
fast iron
the one bonk BOOTY SLAM on plague ogryns
placid fiber
I was just showing the talent point cost with the bare bones
1 extra toughness node helps with shroudfield builds, and the 15% toughness dr aura is just icing on the cake
misty nova
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-kylo-ren-ben-solo-ben-swolo-adam-driver-gif-1...
I mean... if it uses the thammer you could drop duellist for it, and keep the shroudfield set up you have and purge the unclean
for funny monster damage
I've never really been a believer in duellist for the thammer, even tho I know it helps
placid fiber
I have a couple options to drop
But I'm not dropping
Well yeah, if you drop out of the match then you can't play
The shroudfield thammer marty build is extremely tight for the talent points
fleet zealot
fast iron
so i am guessing the main thing is that martyr kinda sucks when maximizing it because no curios for other things
fleet zealot
NO
it's just no cdr
it has the best "raw stats" at it's max potential outside of crit weaopns
placid fiber
Oof
placid fiber
it has the best "raw stats" at it's max potential outside of crit weaopns
Yep ^
placid fiber
<:stare:743217151107923979>
tfw you know it's good but your teammate snipes the sniper
fast iron
TWO
it was going to stun TWO OF THEM
and they shot them both just before the stun grenade went off!
fast iron
i had the achievement TWICE.
misty nova
so i am guessing the main thing is that martyr kinda sucks when maximizing it be...
So like
You'll be at low HP for a while because martyrdom
I shall not fall will give you tdr
Second wind will keep your toughness up
So like
You don't really need to worry about those 16-20 HP or toughness
Although you could always drop one wound curio
FS, give me a way to consistently have 7 martyrdom stacks at damnation 
misty nova
Good Generalist
ornate bone
ever to be preferred to the dueling sword or should i just stick with that
misty nova
Just learn the combos
ornate bone
what are they...
obsidian prairie
FS, give me a way to consistently have 7 martyrdom stacks at damnation <:prayge:...
The ever faithful crusher overhead
fast iron
the relic blade is the best weapon zealot has and the worst weapon the zealot has
it depends on if it's turned on or not.
plucky gate
it doesn't even feel that bad turned off
fast iron
it feels like a cheap plastic toy turned off :c
plucky gate
idk might still be better than dclaw
fast iron
hold on lemme bonk enemies with my toy lightsaber
obsidian prairie
It works kinda ok when off
Good enough to let you live until you turn it back on
fast iron
"kinda ok"
obsidian prairie
It’s not bromentumless caxe
plucky gate
slightly better than the worst things ever
fast iron
yeah hitting people with a toy lightsaber is kinda okay until the lightsaber works again
but when it's turned on HO BOY
gleaming furnace
You say that it’s anywhere near as shitty as the pee sword
fleet zealot
it depends on if it's turned on or not.
ehh, turned off, rampage and wrath both help it
then it's just, a worse heavy sword really but not the worst weapon
obsidian prairie
It’s a greatsword in the world where anything that isn’t sci-fi bullshit can’t pass
gleaming furnace
Idk most of our weapons aren’t scifi bullshit
plucky gate
sci-fi bullshit like a revolver or an autogun?
obsidian prairie
Revolver is hopped up on confirm crits magic
plucky gate
dueling sword
gleaming furnace
Or a a variety of hatchets, daggers, machetes …
obsidian prairie
And the autogun loads triple stacked magazines
gleaming furnace
A club made of garbage
teal tide
Who should I play next ogryn or psyker
gleaming furnace
Nothing scifi about the autoguns mags
obsidian prairie
Getting them not to jam is
fleet zealot
A club made of garbage
hey that is brunt's amazingly well made clubs
the best clubs you can find!
gleaming furnace
Brunt’s basher my beloved
frozen kernel
Who should I play next ogryn or psyker
Psyker is much much more fun than even heavy hitter ogryn with pickaxe
vague depot
Ogyrn looks really fun but is kinda numbingly simple ngl
vague depot
Not saying that psyker is super complicated either but being super squishy adds a bit more thrill
misty nova
Brunt’s basher my beloved
Brunt's Pride 
grave cypress
Thank you Usul the psyker for getting me this, just random person I ran into who matched my skill level instead of braindead rando
we got this legit playing 6 games together
teal tide
will try out psyker
fast iron
ngl crucis heavy attacks are based, especially with thrust
also i'm starting to like thrust
because you actually get the stacks fast?
misty nova
I mean, what's the wind up time on the heavies
fast iron
bout 0.8s
fleet zealot
because you actually get the stacks fast?
been that way for a while lol
zealous mesa
it feels like a cheap plastic toy turned off :c
still kills small guys in two hits or one even off
fleet zealot
you get one stack basically for free and 2 and 3 come quickly
fast iron
looks like you get 1 stack every 0.2 seconds
so not exactly for free
hmm
actually you might get it for free
fleet zealot
0.2 is like
misty nova
looks like you get 1 stack every 0.2 seconds
It's okay
I'm not able to perceive a 0.2 difference
fleet zealot
a moment after your heavy is ready to go
cause it starts when the attack is declared (the game knows you aren't doing a light because of you holding it )when it's a heavy, but not necessarily when it's released
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY
fast iron
cause it starts when the attack is declared (the game knows you aren't doing a l...
it starts when the windup begins, which could be a light attack
but it is delayed by the largest chain action time allowed(this is usually a heavy attack)
(the game does not actually know you are not doing a light attack even if you hold it for up to 1.5 seconds :p)
or rather it's the same action as the start of a light attack
misty nova
So one of the things I'm getting from here is that I should put Thrust on my unstoppable cleaver, hm hum 
fast iron
ok you might still have to wait 0.2 seconds after the minimum possible release time
@misty nova ogryn cleaver?
hexed igloo
misty nova
(good for brain off heavy spam gameplay)
misty nova
<@492137137722884107> ogryn cleaver?
Yeah
hexed igloo
On the odd occasion I do play og cleaver feels right
I'd like to use the shield but it swings so slow
misty nova
Don't get me wrong though
I play the mk6 cleaver which on a weird spot rn
fast iron
can the cleaver even get thrust
hexed igloo
I don't pay attention to mk so I have no idea which one I use
hexed igloo
can the cleaver even get thrust
Just thrust it
Gun can have thrust as long as you stab at someone with the barrel
fast iron
it can hmm
misty nova
Tenderiser is free 25 strength for 3 attacks after special
hexed igloo
it can hmm
You probably don't thrust as good as me tho 💀
misty nova
Gun can have thrust as long as you stab at someone with the barrel
Me stacking BA on Kickback by spamming special attack
hexed igloo
Idk I just play helldivers
fast iron
ok well testing time
hexed igloo
Sometimes binding of isaac
grave cypress
also 
it was not until today that I realized the power and usecase of the flamer if you would only get better with your knives
all those games were im the last guy left alive and everyone else is dead and im against 5 crushers and bulwarks and add's
the flamer deals with it for you
fast iron
159, 191, 223, 255 ok it's not 'free' free
fast iron
So one of the things I'm getting from here is that I should put Thrust on my uns...
cleaver proc times are 0.25 for thrust not 0.2
because fuck you ogryns in particular
final mural
Anyone got cool tips for a 36+ havoc zealot build 
mk13g chainsword feels like it aint cutting it anymore, keeping chorus up all the time is neat but then I keep having teams that cant really cut through anything whilst its up, so its just this war of attrition until I run out and die
fleet zealot
chickpea
final mural
creature
fast iron
Anyone got cool tips for a 36+ havoc zealot build <:kms:726738611114082364> mk13...
do you have this
final mural
yeye
rocky nacelle
@misty nova its time
final mural
I think I just need to have more damage in general honestly, feel like I'm always the least damaging with this build, neat to have chorus up all the time but it feels like I might just be having bad luck with teammates and I need to get something a bit more damaging lmao
fleet zealot
do you have this
that is not the deal breaker
out of everything
sustained assault, your keystone, duelist, everything is more important than an optional chorus node
ancient spoke
get teammates that aren't trash
4 zealots needed confirmed 
rocky nacelle
@misty nova making DBarrel an actual super shotgun time
the pursuit of perfectionism
final mural
I just cba getting the blame for not dealing damage because im sat there with my funny thing in the air covering everyones asses the whole match
boutta go fury of the faithful relic blade throwmaxxing
fleet zealot
if you were covering asses, you should get damage from killing horde
that's like chswords main deal/role
final mural
I mean if I have chorus up constantly, me dealing damage kinda gets cut out pretty hard
Maybe I'm just using it too much, tbh
or leaving it on too long, fuck knows
final mural
give the funny extra toughness and get back to killing maybe 
chorus is totally not my thing so I wouldn't be shocked if I'm just using it wrong
fleet zealot
people aren't usually building around a source of extra toughness and 20% more damage on top of all their other damage bonuses making yours less effective
final mural
Yeaaah, chainsword just doesn't feel too fun to use but I think thats just the misery of high havocs not being as satisfying to cleave through hordes lmaoo
fleet zealot
oh yea high havocs
it's going to fall off a wall
it's literally made for auric damn chaff mobs
you need crit, but you also need wrath to hit through all the extra hitmass havoc has
also, mk13g might not be for you, mk4 has similar output but it does heavies for horde clear
misty nova
cleaver proc times are 0.25 for thrust not 0.2
fleet zealot
and without rampage you deal less damage
final mural
mk13g just genuinely doesnt feel nice to use, which is my biggest gripe lmao, I think its just personal preference, always hated the chainswords
just trying to find a sweet spot because hitting havoc 36-40 has really felt like...less challenging and more just unfun in terms of weapons feeling like foam swords
fast iron
why use chainsword then lol
final mural
Never gave it a proper try outside of not liking it, people recommended it for a chorus build
its definitely nice for that but I figured maybe id grow to love it, doesnt feel like that lmao
misty nova
<@492137137722884107> making DBarrel an actual super shotgun time
Fun fact
Shotguns have a weird interaction with the current true aim
fast iron
imo relic sword would be better as you can chorus immediately after using up the heat
final mural
Idk how well relic would work with this build being around crit generation, but im def considering going back to it
fast iron
...true aim?
misty nova
5 weak spot hits guarantee a ranged crit
final mural
ohrip
iunno, im debating just switching from zealot to maybe psyker, at this rate lmao
misty nova
It was nerfed with UnL
fast iron
....honestly fgs moveset feels way better than relic sword.
like sorry but relic blade moveset feels like actual trash
fast iron
fgs has like 50% more range :v
misty nova
You could shoot with the voidstrike and insta get all the stacks due to cleave
But UnL said nah
And made it so you can proc only once per shot
misty nova
But pellets can hit multiple targets
So as long as it's the first target and the pellet hits the weak spot
You can stack true aim more than once
rocky nacelle
Fun fact
Shotguns have a weird interaction with the current true aim
I don’t use true aim with dbarrel anymore because it actually impedes on gameplay
I can explain what I mean by this when I get back to my pc
misty nova
So if you're feeling lucky you can take some middle to long range shots at hordes and insta stack TA
Not that consistent though
fast iron
i mean on psyker you could also just use assail 
fast iron
oh, needs to be first target
misty nova
Then FS nerfed TA stacking and made the weird Warp Splitting interaction
fast iron
i mean it's still 20% extra crits
rocky nacelle
alright
true aim sucks for double barrel cause it just shoehorns you into focusing on it and trying to stack it for man stopper
when you can just spam scattershot and be 10x better off
fast iron
you can also just like ignore it and treat it like a nice bonus
of 20% more crits
(actual math lil more complicated but)
fast iron
actually rather I think 20% of attacks that wouldn't crit do crit with it
(assuming alwayus weakshot hit, which if you don't do with shotty what even are you doing?)
ok i'm starting to hate high intensity modifiers
fast iron
ok so thunderhammer I think. thrust.
no thrust: 1s(minimum time)
1 thrust: 1.01s(lol)
2 thrust: 1.201s
3 thrust: 1.401s
rocky nacelle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280200080065957980/1320176866757181520/C...
just thought about it
why does psyker get to cheat and have 2 shoves while everyone gets 1
(force shoves)
fast iron
also yes as far as I can tell the difference between no thrust stacks and 1 thrust stacks is maybe a single frame at most
(you can buffer heavy attacks by letting go of the button after about 0.2s but it usually can't chain into a heavy attack until at least 0.3s for the lightest weapons)
noble furnace
Hey. Umm is the "abhor the mutant" penance bugged? I've been dashing at mutants and killing them but it's not counting. I don't know if I'm doing anything wrong or if it's just bugged.
obsidian prairie
You have to kill mid dash
If you hit them you stop dashing, so you need to pass them or kill before you make contact
noble furnace
Yeah I've been doing tha
fast iron
do you want the cheesy way lol
noble furnace
Plz how
fast iron
use an eviscerator, rev it up, connect it on a mutant doing anything(they don't have to be charging), and then dash
noble furnace
Oh OK thanks
fast iron
(may have been patched but)
noble furnace
Any tips for "shocking stuff"?
noble furnace
40 stunned enemy under 10 secs
obsidian prairie
Flamer
fast iron
stun a horde, make sure allies don't kill them, then double barrel shotgun to turn everything into confetti?
combat shotgun would work too wit the horizontal spread one
obsidian prairie
Flamer can kill a functionally infinite amount of trash for 10 or so ammo
zealous knoll
Just got shocking stuff the other day on havoc with flamethrower. Hardest part is getting teammates to NOT kill things for you
obsidian prairie
This can be accomplished by killing them as well
fast iron
well also you need to stun 40 enemies with a stun grenade.
gleaming furnace
(may have been patched but)
It has
zealous knoll
Ye i was lucky enough the whole horde was running down a staircase
noble furnace
well also you need to stun 40 enemies with a stun grenade.
Yeah that part I'm not so sure about
zealous knoll
It took many many tries
obsidian prairie
I hate stuns so I'm just never going to do it
fleet zealot
stun a horde, make sure allies don't kill them, then double barrel shotgun to tu...
heavy sword and chsword (and probably relic) have enough hrode clear speed to do it as well
fast iron
Hey. Umm is the "abhor the mutant" penance bugged? I've been dashing at mutants ...
also apparently any sort of movement, looking to the side too much, or the like will cancel it?
gleaming furnace
You can get it in the first room of mercantile
fleet zealot
i got my achievement with Hsword, before the talent reworked buffed stun nades
zealous knoll
Stun nades and flamethrower can be clutch af
noble furnace
I hate stuns so I'm just never going to do it
I need it for the drip 😭
fleet zealot
fallen monolith
fast iron
oh
also many people do not know this
you can hold the charge button to lock onto an enemy and charge MUCH LONGER
noble furnace
You can hold it?
fast iron
you need to be about this close, it seems
you will see a red aura around em if you lock on right
noble furnace
Dam. I did not not know that
north sedge
Holding just lets you see exactly what you're going towards, you get the same effect by looking directly at the target and hitting chastise
fast iron
also, start holding your attack to launch it shortly after you start lunging
fleet zealot
you can hold the charge button to lock onto an enemy and charge MUCH LONGER
not exactly holding
noble furnace
Wait if I upgrade it to FotF does it still count
fleet zealot
you can get the same effect by being looking straight onto the enemy
fast iron
yes
fleet zealot
the holding just lets you visualize it
fast iron
also yes, technically it's more that while the button is held a visual effect on enemies you will lock onto appears.
but if you don't have a target or the target is dead you will cancel the dash, you will not go far, and you will be a very sad zealot.
fast iron
attack = {
500,
1000,
}``` heheMe omw to ask why Relic Blade has a basic bitch gibbing
fast iron
it's because the force greatsword is just better, sorry
misty nova
(too much cleaver gibbing on my mind)
fast iron
not on the cleave
misty nova
Too much cleaver on my mind
fast iron
also smite for psyker has like... gibbing_power.infinite
soooooo
literally unlimited power
red swift
This is my peak
misty nova
rocky nacelle
never seen assail, knife, and dbarrel shit on heretics quite like that
25 stacks of DD is fucking crazy
clever zealot
Can someone help me make updated zealot builds, its been a while
red swift
are you making a steam guide or smthn
clever zealot
Nah just remaking my build since mastery got added and skills were wiped
red swift
I can help if u want a number of actual viable builds for all the keystones and blitzes
fast iron
hmmm relic blade blessings perks?
red swift
Cranial/Rampage + Wrath for Havoc
Flak/Cara is what I like to do, Elite/Cara or Flak/Elite too
Unyielding as well if you want more bulwark and boss damage, and more consistent Charge one shots on reapers
if not havoc then cranial + rampage works
fast iron
...does overload even do damage.
spare talon
...does overload even do damage.
30 I think
30 or 50
I know it's a multiple of 10
It's pitiful
red swift
I need that 30-50 to hit my vital breakpoints
spare talon
I really tried to get them to change it to be something else
fast iron
in a 1 meter radius
spare talon
I wanted it to overheat the blade and inflict burn stacks akin to infernus with a somewhat low cap from the heat of the overloaded blade
misty nova
it starts when the windup begins, which *could* be a light attack
You know what I just remembered
Ogryn's Implacable (15% dr when charging heavy) should work on the wind up of light attacks
fast iron
huh radius scales with the level
fast iron
You know what I just remembered
Ogryn's Implacable (15% dr when charging heavy)...
technically yes but
what windup
red swift
@clever zealot want builds or nah?
fast iron
light attacks don't have a chain time, so while yes you could probably like... hold LMB for like 0.1 or 0.2 seconds
it's not really feasible to do especially as you'd likely for maximum speed want to buffer it anyway
(same for heavy attacks, unless you're using impact you'd want to buffer it to launch at exactly 1s by releasing it after 0.3ish seconds)
placid fiber
b-but memes...
fast iron
(with impact you need to hold the button for at least 1.01s, depending on the attack)
placid fiber
dr oggy memes
placid fiber
fast iron
action_name = "action_melee_start_right",
chain_time = 0.6,
},
special_action = {
action_name = "action_special_uppercut",
chain_time = 0.3,
}``` also fun fact ogryn cleaver can cancel faster into an uppercut than meleeoggy cleaver is weird
I feel like its primary use is just bull butcher horde mulching
compared to other ogryn weapons
clever zealot
<@260893164619956225> want builds or nah?
ye
cursive tundra
I really tried to get them to change it to be something else
Wdym showstopper at home is bad
red swift
ok check dms
hexed igloo
You say that but what I see is being able to uppercut a guy so hard his head pops off
fast iron
only mk2
spare talon
Wdym showstopper at home is bad <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Showstopper is already bad 💀
fast iron
(also the mk2 is better than a toy lightsaber, I give it the level of a cold steel longsword when not turned on. actually does okish damage when not turned on)
cursive tundra
Showstopper is already bad 💀
Yet survives with negligible change since day 1
someone in fatshark think a chance to deal 50 damage is broken
fast iron
also powersword lockout explosion: did you knwo that higher tiers scale... the range lol
@cursive tundra i'll be honest i suspect it's bugged
the relic sword explosion seems like it's supposed to deal 500 damage.
like... it's supposed to have similar properties to the powermaul explosion?
the ogryn powermaul.
red swift
Itl
itll be fixed in about 15 months
Give them time the game is still in beta stages
fast iron
power_distribution = { attack = 25, impact = 25, } Which. Uh.
oh.
yeah sorry it turns out the explosion damage is trash garbage because ogryn is weak :v
gonna have to wait until ogryn buffs :v
lmao. the fucking... flamer explosion? static power level 1000
which doesn't explain why it's so weak hmm
cause default grenade is pretty strong
wait ok has anyone used showstopper and what's the damage like
(incidentally it does at least have a decent 10 meter AOE suppression)
wet rain
I just copied a shroudfield build off yt because my old one felt outdated, omg this new one is sooo fun. Basically live in stealth
would never take it into havoc, but it's very fun
misty ravine
(also the mk2 is better than a toy lightsaber, I give it the level of a cold ste...
Also (ironically) sounds more like Cranial Leakage Rampage when turned off
red swift
I think Showstopper explosion damage is 200
misty nova
wait ok has anyone used showstopper and what's the damage like
Apparently
400 base Flamer
red swift
I've always just run Blaze Away and something else
misty nova
250 base Purgatos
fast iron
far = 100,
near = 200,
}``` hm.correct. 3 meters, 0.25 min radius, but there's no damage falloff so afaik the min radius does not actually mean anything
sort of. Inferno has min radius 0.5, radius 4, but dsamage falloff IS enabled.
supposed to be static power level 600 but it seems that static power level does not actually work.
has anyone tested how much damage plasma rifle overheat does by the way
if i am correct it should do 600 damage within 1.5 meters, going down to 100 at 10
misty nova
So
Since I have Flak Elites and Superiority
181 at 9m
Against a Scab Gunner
1020 around 2m
fast iron
huh.
vast goblet
what is the go to melee weapon that is good against hordes and elites?
dueling sword?
fast iron
dueling sword for everything technically but against hordes other things meybe
vast goblet
is crusher good?
fast iron
...they did recommend it so.
misty nova
Yeah just learn combos
vast goblet
is defense the dump stat?
misty nova
Yup
vast goblet
is crusher better than thunder hammer? is about the same?
misty nova
900 around 2m to a Dreg Rager
265 dmg against dreg Rager at 9m
vast goblet
what about ranged weapon?
fast iron
also 0% ammo plasma gun is sad
fast iron
what about ranged weapon?
flamer probs
fast iron
the fuck it is 600 for me 
misty nova
I came here to say something.....
fast iron
oh. that is what i predicted and you have damage nodes
fast iron
aaaaaaand 100 at max range. w e l p
misty nova
Which is 20 strength at high heat
north sedge
is crusher better than thunder hammer? is about the same?
Completely different weapon, read Crusher guide in pins
fast iron
so trns out i was right and do know what goes into damage there.
fast iron
cara shouldn't matter as it's 1 against all armor types
fast iron
local explosion_power = explosion_template.static_power_level or action_power_level also does anyone know enough lua to know what or means here
ah
x = x or v, equivalent to if not x them x = v
misty nova
I feel like its primary use is just bull butcher horde mulching
Pretty much
It has a different CDD for unarmored and infested on the big sweeps
Like
The second target takes ~50 less damage than the first
fast iron
yeah ok so i think explosions in the entire game might be bugged hmm.
at least ones with static power level
sterile stone
also 0% ammo plasma gun is sad
My soul hurts looking at this
Not even the Salvation Army would accept this
final mural
`local explosion_power = explosion_template.static_power_level or action_power_l...
i mean yeah i dont think that gives much outside of the whole x = x or v as you said lmao
idk what action power level goes for though
misty nova
` power_distribution = {
attack = 25,
impact = 25,
}` Whi...
This is how we find out that Paul's Power Surge blessing is taking that into account for the secondary explosion
final mural
really wanna dig into darktides lua bizniz once my uni work is done
fast iron
This is how we find out that Paul's Power Surge blessing is taking that into acc...
new paul who this
fast iron
oh, power maul
how much does the 'additional shockwave' deal
conditional_stat_buffs = { [stat_buffs.weapon_special_max_activations] = 1, [stat_buffs.explosion_radius_modifier] = 0.25, } wat
zinc talon
for all intents and purposes it's hard to see it at work
at least for me it is
it will lay full stacks of skullcrusher and others tho
fast iron
....
zinc talon
so jostling the room then immediately laying into heavies produces somer good results
occasionally jostling the whole room to push pause on everyone's swinging and getting the first attack off every time at double damage
fast iron
if i am correct it will also increase all explosion radiuses, even NOT from the power maul, as long as the power maul is equipped and the special is activated.
which is hilarious
zinc talon
if you're good with your timing of those opportunities you can really control the pace of a fight
(I am not that good)
misty nova
if i am correct it will also increase all explosion radiuses, even NOT from the ...
And lemme guess
Ogryn's Big Boom also affects it
Extra 27,5% explosion radius
fast iron
ya
also huh unused talent for the veteran which gives +1 max uses on power weapons
er wait
cursive tundra
the relic sword explosion seems like it's *supposed* to deal 500 damage.
Still terrible reward for locking out powered state
fast iron
wait how the fuck does that talent even work the power surge one
do you get an extra explosion or can you just slam it twice
fast iron
Still terrible reward for locking out powered state
well it's supposed to be a playstyle where you use it until lockout state, instead of turning it on and off when needed. and you get rewarded by more uses of it due to the heat reduction
ok seriously though as far as I can tell, power surge literally doesn't do what it says it does??
it's just you get two power maul slams instead of 1
also it doesn't care about armor it's just. two
oh
it consumes all the extra explosions on impact ok
if should_explode then this is funny code tho
fast iron
This is how we find out that Paul's Power Surge blessing is taking that into acc...
I don't think it's actually taking it into account, but before the explosion template is used it's applying weapon tweak data to it(aka power maul damage?)
misty nova
Ok so I'm just smacking stuff around the psykhanium
Right?
A power surge Paul
The explosion is dealing like 30 damage to whoever is around
A normal Paul explosion is not damaging
fleet zealot
`if should_explode then` this is funny code tho
peak
hexed igloo
fast iron
The explosion is dealing like 30 damage to whoever is around
is it without any modifiers and stuff, empty talent tree
also yeah 30 damage is what it does deal normally because bugged
misty nova
is it without any modifiers and stuff, empty talent tree
Not yet
Ok so what I'm getting rn
Power Surge is adding the extra radius and some extra damage
Because I grouped some stuff around and a Normal Paul dealt like 25 dmg
Hmmm
Ok time to get some real blank testing
Off to peddler
fast iron
define extra damage
misty nova
I'm getting inconsistent numbers
fast iron
is it exactly 30 extra damage
raw bloom
what the fuck is the point of invisibility if you can just get staggered out of it? literally useless
misty nova
Power Output should affect it?
misty nova
I got a Paul with 6 Output
raw bloom
like im over here trying to 2 shot a DH while an ogryn holds agro but trash mobs can still somehow fucking see me while im INVISIBLE
fleet zealot
omg i had such a good fucking weapon i was exalting in poe 2
fleet zealot
like im over here trying to 2 shot a DH while an ogryn holds agro but trash mobs...
they shouldn't
you don't stagger/suppress like vets stealth, so chances are you walked into a swing or it was already swinging at you
fleet zealot
omg i had such a good fucking weapon i was exalting in poe 2
and I rolled reduced attributes requirement as my last slam
what a buzz kill
worst thing ever
misty nova
About that
I think the influence of Radius is affecting the damage somehow?
Hmmm wait
fleet zealot
damage fall off?
fast iron
ok 583 with it on carapace armored
(or rather, it does nothing if it's the first target hit)
vague depot
Can I overload from surety of arms or will I just hit 100%
misty nova
You can't overload
fast iron
...can zealot even overload?
misty nova
However
misty nova
You will build Peril
vague depot
Got it thanks mb
misty nova
But not get the extra reload speed
misty nova
damage fall off?
Nope
hard nexus
Can I overload from surety of arms or will I just hit 100%
it doesnt build peril if ur above 75% right
misty nova
25 damage
I bunch a couple stuff together
With 6% power output
No enemy hit by the explosion took damage
So the blessing is basically
Nothing
misty nova
So the blessing is basically
And with the blessing and 75% power output, it did 25 but had a larger radius
So the blessing is basically
Nothing
hard nexus
And with the blessing and 75% power output, it did 25 but had a larger radius
S...
better or worse than overload
sterile basalt
better or worse than overload
Heatsink is not as good as overload
At best it extends activation uptime by like 2 seconds if you literally never stop weakspot killing every second
misty nova
The blast from Paul should damage everything on a 2.50m around the target
sterile basalt
And it’s ~same lockout time as overload, but overload has a stagger explosion that actually interrupts melee elites
misty nova
Or 3m if my understanding is right
sterile basalt
Base lockout time is 10s
With overload that’s 7.5s
sterile basalt
With heatsink it’s -3.33% per weakspot or crit kill
misty nova
But it's almost 1 am so my brain and numbers aren't braining
copper hawk
...can zealot even overload?
sterile basalt
Swing speed is around 1 attack per second
So it ends up being ~7.5s lockout (if you weakspot killing every every single second)
fast iron
No enemy hit by the explosion took damage
only the epicenter radius deals damage
and the extra explosion actually doesn't happen unless the target hit... isn't the first target?
red pollen
For over a year I’ve been telling people I fought a boss in Darktide named phonetically “I’ve been jackin off”
No one believed me
Now 1000 hours later I found him again I present to you, the man, the myth, the legend:
fast iron
so target 2+ needs armor
fast iron
power maul for ogryn
red pollen
fast iron
they're talking here again despite me trying to move it into ogryn chat for reasons
copper hawk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShak...
Lmfao
Tr00ll
red pollen
No numericui..
Im on Xbox
misty nova
only the epicenter radius deals damage
My current epicenter is 2.5
So Power Surge should make it 3 or something (?)
red pollen
Never needed a single mod to beat hard mode twins or clear havoc 40
copper hawk
U see son those mods r a gimmick
misty nova
Wait are y’all talking about crusher or power maul or relic blade
Ogryn's Maul
north sedge
I needed nude ogryn mod to beat auric
misty nova
Specifically about Power Surge
plush estuary
pysker likes the male vc
copper hawk
red pollen
Big back mode
copper hawk
@rocky nacelle Thoughts on this image
rocky nacelle
<@139852743358545920> Thoughts on this image
military e6s and above
also peter griffin
fast iron
My current epicenter is 2.5
So Power Surge should make it 3 or something (?)
ya but it's probably center of impact to center of them
median steeple
Big nose lmfao
fleet zealot
perspective
hexed igloo
fleet zealot
sheesh
hard nexus
LMFAO
copper hawk
rocky nacelle
fast iron
rude
rocky nacelle
visual stream
Star Lord is a yummers ADHDerific character I like very much yes
rocky nacelle
hearty nebula
misty nova
Oh yeah
I remember seeing the 3 pov of this video
sterile stone
@gray ice Aye
fleet zealot
gray ice
<@206267213303382017> Aye
oh yeh i seen this
rather interesting, finna see how it develops
in other news I may have been a little bloodthirsty this game
sterile stone
rather interesting, finna see how it develops
Didn't even know til today
The people who made gtfo made this
Along with some of the people who helped with payday 2
gray ice
ye, that's why i was lookin at it
gtfo is pretty good, I wish i coulda found people to play it with
hearty nebula
i'm apprehensive about it
gray ice
I have no expectations, just keepin an eye on it to see wha happens
sterile stone
We've already gotten a fair few disappointments this year
Looking at level zero
NMRIH2
sterile stone
They're trying to do a magic trick and bring a corpse back to life
Clearly it ain't workin
But they're trying
sterile stone
Yeah but 2042 is pulling numbers
From what I've seen
I dunno about now
That Delta Force released
But at one point a few odd months ago
It had a player spike
hearty nebula
it was concord before concord
difference being
gray ice
you see spikes because they've done so many sales and free weekends and giveaways
hearty nebula
people actually knew payday 3 existed well before it came out
concord had like zero fucking marketing as much as i know
on top of being incredibly mid
gray ice
honestly people knowing payday 3 existed prior probably fucked it more 
the absolute shadow it was compared to payday 2 were the nails in the coffin
hearty nebula
every time my friends ask me to get it im like
"yeah but i could just play the previous game which is way better instead"
gray ice
I don't get how we have so many games with the PRIMARY focus being multiplayer, dropping absolutely riddled with matchmaking and multiplayer issues
Like if you can't engage in the main function of the game when it releases, what the fuck have you guys been doing the last 5 years
They gotta be kicking entire QA teams out of windows bro, I don't get it
fleet zealot
They gotta be kicking entire QA teams out of windows bro, I don't get it
i mean
that's what they did lol
that is hurting their bottom line
look at it from an angle, what's the first thing that gets cut when the investors and stockholders and CEOs want more cash
gray ice
Yea well we're seeing how that turns out
fleet zealot
it's QA, it's Support, gotta make the quarterlies look good, gotta make the year look good, cause nothing matters but immediate profit
yea, with good devs out of the job, the gaming consumer base is spineless and too easily distracted by culture war grifters
even when it's been shown time and time again the CEOs want you made at "woke" cause those grifters usually always lead around to blaming the devs themselves
gray ice
I don't even think it's distraction by culture war, most people just don't give a shit
fleet zealot
it's muddying the waters
gray ice
The people actually engaging on forums about this stuff are a passionate few
the vast majority simply buy what they think will be fun, simple as
if your company has a shitty history they remember that, people wait for reviews and shit now
gray ice
it's muddying the waters
yea it's definitely not helping anyone
vague depot
honestly people knowing payday 3 existed prior probably fucked it more <:KEKW:76...
How tf did the play tester YouTubers stand in a circle for 70% of the heist and then go “game is amazing preorder now”
fleet zealot
How tf did the play tester YouTubers stand in a circle for 70% of the heist and ...
because they have to basically
Being negative is basically just grounds for you to be blacklisted
gray ice
How tf did the play tester YouTubers stand in a circle for 70% of the heist and ...
because they had family members locked in a warehouse with specific instructions
fleet zealot
some companies obv are more lenient, but usually those are better companies
vague depot
Crazy work
vague depot
Were they not invited to play test and look for improvements or something
fleet zealot
you gonna stand on your morals and risk your food and living space?
vague depot
It’s sounding a lot more like “play our new game and glaze tf out of us”
fleet zealot
that ain't how the system works
fleet zealot
It’s sounding a lot more like “play our new game and glaze tf out of us”
if it's shown to the public, yes
vague depot
That’s rough
sterile stone
Being negative is basically just grounds for you to be blacklisted
This
Alot or corpos aren't looking for actual critical feedback
They want yesmen
sterile stone
It’s sounding a lot more like “play our new game and glaze tf out of us”
From a human perspective as a content creator
It's how you keep money on the table
And if you get in the good graces of development teams
Your name gets passed around
Meaning you get more opportunities
which means more coverage
which means more potential viewers
Which means more potential sponsors
which means more money
fleet zealot
spare talon
<@139852743358545920> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208105955565240332...
meanwhile me at lvl 10 and im still just chipping away with either ice bolts > shatter or high velocity bolts
zinc talon
lunar fable
meanwhile me at lvl 10 and im still just chipping away with either ice bolts > s...
merc is really slow early game
i have this for freeze if you want it
spare talon
sure ig? this is the one i got rn
spare talon
hold on i just choked on a fucking cheezit
vague depot
which means more money
Aight yea fair enough I would do the same
My morals are strong but inflation is stronger
fleet zealot
Summoner gear is straight ass
fleet zealot
If my scepter which has to be warriors for this build or i’ll have no frontline, i have to have either +spirit or + minion skills or it isn’t even worth upgrading to yellow
lunar fable
fleet zealot
Chest piece, more spirit
spare talon
Did dorn force you?
no
i was already semi interested and everyone had been gooning over it
so i might as well
fleet zealot
Helmet, plus minion skills or ally buffs,
I slammed a fuckin exalt on an otherwise perfect scepter and got attribute requirement reduction
I want to diee
fleet zealot
Plus fire damage plus physical damage plus spirit plus attack speed
If it rolled plus minion skills i would have busted
lunar fable
uh
fleet zealot
My entire neighborhood would have heard my victory exalt slam
fleet zealot
It feels so bad
Not having the uhh
Orbs that let you reroll blues
I miss those a lot
fleet zealot
Cause if i upgrade or get a good yellow i dont want to use chaos orb and risk losing my good modifiers
lunar fable
permaforst/frag
spare talon
this one
lunar fable
high velocity for bossing
spare talon
yup
lunar fable
galvanic is good for mobbing btw
spare talon
i dont have it yet
lunar fable
rapid shot is mid
it's good damage but you're just slow the whole time
fleet zealot
Alteration orbs
lunar fable
cause it's like 50 bolts per reload and you're meant to keep firing to keep your xbow heated up by the skill
fleet zealot
I want alteration orbs back
Or give the non gambler vendors more bases or at least one of each type per level
Like oh yea i want 5 purity of fire scepters game thanks go fuck yourself chris wilson
Im 5 acts in and have seen 0 strength necklaces
vast basin
I completed all 6 acts and only found one spirit amulet. orbed it and it turned out shit
very sadge
autumn void
Relic blade spoiled me lol
lunar fable
i need to run a havoc tomorrow so i don't get deranked
vague depot
I need to run havoc
pine tartan
Aside from saber and knife
Which other melee weapon is good for a stealth build?
sterile stone
My morals are strong but inflation is stronger
Smart man
Remember
Morals don't pay bills
vague depot
Aside from saber and knife
Which other melee weapon is good for a stealth build...
Thammer
pine tartan
Only hammer?
vague depot
Idk any other options I’m not a fan of stealth
Just find something with high finesse maybe
Does the damage bonus work on chain weapons or is it only the first hit
pine tartan
Like rampage from chainsword?
Only for the weapon, you will loss the stacks after swap the weapon
vague depot
No I mean like fotf where the damage boost only applies for the first hit of the rev attack unless you charge mid attack
Will shroudfields damage bonus apply to the first hit or the entire rev
vast basin
last I checked you could use stealth mid rev attack just like chastise
copper hawk
https://tenor.com/view/spraying-squirting-water-move-go-away-stay-away-gif-16559...
WH
WHAR U DO DIZ
ILL BITE U
lunar fable
vast basin
No I mean like fotf where the damage boost only applies for the first hit of the...
just checked and if you stealth during a rev attack it cancels the attack now
rip
spare talon
ok
ngl
not a fan of infinitely spawning adds during fights at a point in the game before you can have a good setup to both group clear and dps
rocky nacelle
where tf are you ainz
plush estuary
m1 macro smyker
plush estuary
where tf are you ainz
?
rocky nacelle
how are you finding these players
spare talon
its been a hot minute since ive played rando queues
plush estuary
Its so funny
spare talon
i wonder what id be like now
plush estuary
meeting the goofy people
spare talon
with havoc still up and running
lunar fable
ok
ngl
not a fan of infinitely spawning adds during fights at a point in the gam...
Which boss
The one that spawns a shit ton of larvae?
spare talon
The one that spawns a shit ton of larvae?
the first quest one?
that one was annoying but was fine
executioner
boss was fine but i was drowning in extra dudes
was just annoying
twin wagon
lunar fable
But merc is relatively chill for bosses
I've died like 50 times from the beginning of act 1 to the end of act 3 hard
1/4th was from bosses and at least 10 of those were cause I forgot to pause the game before I tabbed out to respond to somebody on discord
My monk friend died like 323 times
When I was at 40 deaths
spare talon
When I was at 40 deaths
the area that pissed me off was the cultist one
why yes i love being dropped to 1 hp instantly from an instant attack from an off screen ranger
oh cool this respawn put me immediately at the center of like 10 dudes and i cant move
oh and it did it again
oh and it did it again
oh and it did it again
zinc talon
zealous basin
nimble fiber
copper hawk
twin wagon
what
misty nova
Beam
stone fern
deserved
solar gorge
twin wagon
gl getting party finded
ornate bone
hello, is this one's stats good?
calm wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyD0OEUiYJA Who of you was the degenerate who did this?
twin wagon
I got my suspicion
frosty herald
Ive played with that zealot before
drowsy steppe
hello, is this one's stats good?
at max potential. 60+ Defences should give you 3 effective dodges
cinder roost
hello, is this one's stats good?
Its good enough, dump stat is defense 60
drowsy steppe
its fine to use after fully upgraded
frozen ibex
Havoc 40 tru solo zealot used uncanny lacerate those are really good blessings on knife. 
The pin must be a lie. 
ornate bone
I see, thanks folks
drowsy steppe
oh wow didnt notice I already got the twitch drops lmao
mighty mesa
mighty mesa
frosty herald
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867526615378165800/1259878763986944050/...
need
formal umbra
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867526615378165800/1259878763986944050/...
COME ON
I JUST GOT HERE
drowsy steppe
its too early for degeneracy
sinful glen
everytime i look at this chat its more degenerate then last time
so i dont think there is too early for that
drowsy steppe
sinful glen
everytime i look at this chat its more degenerate then last time
but thats why i comeback so
oak cargo
hexed igloo
Boys rate my Isaac run items
I don't know why (one of my glitched items) but every time i picked up a penny/key/bomb it gave me another damocles
I don't even know where that anemia came from there weren't any pedestals
jagged fulcrum
Do i need to embrace the flamer for late havoc? I normally use the revolver but it feels useless when things now take 3 headshots to kill xD
Also is HP% useless compared to toughness? Is stam, toughness x2 more viable? Or should i go x3 toughness?
drowsy steppe
I run bolt pistol and 3* toughness for 40 havocs
jagged fulcrum
I haven't used the bolt pistol much tbh, its better for penetration right? So a bit better dealing with condensed elite hordes?
drowsy steppe
yuh you can ADS spam bolt pistol with puncture to a mixed horde to act as a pseudo horde clear weapon. Its nice to snipe specials also at range
frosty herald
g word?
spare talon
Gooner
frosty herald
twin wagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soKbj0PNaq8&feature=youtu.be
Guys you should watch this video, some of you need it
twin goblet
game director was going off
ornate bone
which blessings do we use for the relic blade, my sweethearts
currently with energy leakage and rampage
gray ice
cranial/rampage will do ya well