(revengeance parry actually 1 shots Sam)
#zealot-class
rocky nacelle
delicate shadow
TRU
rocky nacelle
sad !
frozen kernel
You don’t like watching everyone spam roll until someone is inevitably hit with a penta-boosted power stanced jump attack that eviscerates all 2200HP they have?
obsidian prairie
Black hole for a head: check
Naked for some reason: check
Made-of-people sword: check
delicate shadow
sundowner the best character btw
rocky nacelle
obsidian prairie
Midra is a Grime reference confirmed
median steeple
That's like the one of 3 times I've seen that ult kill
frozen kernel
Or maybe panic rolling until someone hits a single weapon art that executes 3 people for them
Looking at you DLC greatsword
atomic fjord
@obsidian prairie Incant builds are so much fun
rocky nacelle
or even a part 2 to his fight in general
obsidian prairie
<@785997625928581162> Incant builds are so much fun
Hitting a triple combo with 3 different incants is wild
rocky nacelle
someone might be a gigasthicass watcher
maybe
(he has a bunch of ER combo setups)
frozen kernel
That’s another thing
It feels like everyone I’d see doing ER PvP
Had like 6 variants of the same weapon with different arts
rocky nacelle
frozen kernel
That shit is maximum wiener behavior
atomic fjord
Hitting a triple combo with 3 different incants is wild
Watch this
obsidian prairie
That shit is maximum wiener behavior
Like at least bring your cartoon hammer supply of 6 different weapons
frozen kernel
I’d totally respect somebody who was kicking my ass with literally every weapon in the game
obsidian prairie
Watch this
I find this funny
rocky nacelle
me wanting to use the new fist weapon in elden ring DLC
they are one of the most annoying fucking things ever to farm
atomic fjord
I find this funny
Wdym lol
frozen kernel
But if you’re just equipping 9 halberds to be like “hahaha they can’t see me change weapon what a surprise this flame strike is huh”
They can go boil their own heads
obsidian prairie
What about 6 different weapons with the same art
rocky nacelle
if I get back on elden ring im going to rocket punch someone
sterile stone
You don’t like watching everyone spam roll until someone is inevitably hit with ...
I'm just not cultured enough
hard nexus
first ever kill with venom ult
frozen kernel
I miss how simple Oolacile Township PvP used to be
rocky nacelle
I miss how simple Oolacile Township PvP used to be
frozen kernel
Even the iron keep bridge was mostly free of gankers honestly
rocky nacelle
we dont talk about the super old days
rocky nacelle
also yeah idk who popularized fight clubs
I brought warmth
a few people did actually
I remember someone jumped into a fight and then the 3 of us beat him to death
frozen kernel
Dks1 didn’t have a lot of great ways to get people to actually host fight clubs, but there were good spots
hard nexus
i miss pontiff arena
frozen kernel
Blighttown the bonfire in the tunnel, with the rotunda
hard nexus
tears of denial twink builds….
hard nexus
frozen kernel
I remember someone jumped into a fight and then the 3 of us beat him to death
This is the way
frozen kernel
One person upsets the balance of fight club, the entire session executes them
Us hollows used to have some god dang ‘tegrity
Now look at these tarnished
median steeple
Watch this
Bro had no vitality
rocky nacelle
tarnished ANIMALS
frozen kernel
VIGOR CHECK
rocky nacelle
though im used to 2v1ing from dark souls 2 (where its actually a challenge with no healing spells)
frozen kernel
YEAH, 20 VIGOR AT SL120 AINT IT BIG DAWG
rocky nacelle
good thing people are just as stupid as the villains in the movies
and like to attack you 1 at a time
low ranking batman goons
lmfao
frozen kernel
I think nothing feels better, in a villain way
Than killing the summons
And just watching the host back up until they DC
“Connection to host was lost”
rocky nacelle
backing them up off a cliff
because you killed their 2 summons
so they just give up
frozen kernel
I remember how I felt like a god when I learned to weapon swap parry in Dks1
I’d be using something like the silver knight sword and just whip out a crystal demon greataxe for the riposte
No hornet ring because my mother loved me
delicate shadow
silver knights do continue to be the drippiest non-boss imo
frozen kernel
If you joined the forest covenant your mother didn’t love you
rocky nacelle
fucked up thing is though
the most tech/jank in pvp
is in dark souls 1 still
lmfao
super degen
frozen kernel
Dks1 PvP is so fucking beautiful
lament blaze
if you pvp'd in ds1 at all your mother didnt love you
Nobody gets pvp-ed in darksouls without asking for it
Co-op is a crutch, you chose your punishment
frozen kernel
I remember my buddy was playing for the first time ever because they introduced him to Elden Ring
We got invaded in the TOMB OF GIANTS
frozen kernel
“Jimmy Morrison”
rocky nacelle
frozen kernel
I cyberbullied this poor bastard so hard he stopped invading in the tomb
rocky nacelle
behold
🚬
awesome vid
I actually learned how to escape backstab chains from this vid
lmfao
hard nexus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmecGNstuf8
frozen kernel
He invaded our buddy when he was getting to the bonfire, killed him
Invaded me, I backstabbed him off the ledge
Invaded my buddy when he summoned me, I proceeded to chain backstab him with my fist until I parried him into a double riposte with our orher veteran
frozen kernel
I was just cackling like a hyena
hard nexus
was when i kicked some poor friendly invader off a cliff in the bone zone
rocky nacelle
jesus meow you sound like a grandma
"i finally realized how to kick...."
lmfao
👴
frozen kernel
I miss how Dks1 the host had to either burn their valuable estus to heal you, or you had to take a very long time to chomp a humanity sprite
In Elden Ring everyone gets multiple estus 💀
Shit is so wank
rocky nacelle
dark souls 1-2 pvp made some real gamers
copper hawk
Bone zone
copper hawk
frozen kernel
DKS3 did do one good thing for PvP
rocky nacelle
frozen kernel
Duelist urns
hard nexus
jesus meow you sound like a grandma
u wanna hear something embarrassing
rocky nacelle
you've already told me a few things, but im always down for more
frozen kernel
Nothing like summoning a phantom for PvP, them taking 15 seconds to activate a bunch of buffs, then just tossing a fucking urn at their feet and turning it all off
copper hawk
Neeeerdz
rocky nacelle
no you havent
rocky nacelle
damn
hard nexus
it was my first souls ever
rocky nacelle
actually fell into the e girl stereotype
hard nexus
literally
hard nexus
at least i’m not noob anymore
frozen kernel
A friend in high school struggled so hard with Gundyr that I rolled up a brand new asasassin, took off everything but the Estoc, and bare fist parried him
hard nexus
i 100%d ds3
frozen kernel
I didn’t realize I was flexing on him, I was just trying to show him the boss wasn’t scary
I was completely ignorant of the super BM I committed lmao
hard nexus
LMFAO
rocky nacelle
my friend being scared of iudex/champion gundyr then I show him this
gundyr hates this 1 simple trick
frozen kernel
“Look he’s big and scary but like, he really doesn’t do anything you can’t dodge”
THOSE TOO
copper hawk
U down 2 tf2 a teensy bit 2night
hard nexus
my friend being scared of iudex/champion gundyr then I show him this
that image isn’t loading but if it’s the parry shield
frozen kernel
I parried plebdyr then just firebomb’d him to death
rocky nacelle
ya id be down cica (i might go hang out at a homies house tn though ill lyk)
i dont want 2 get ur hopes up and flake
copper hawk
Lmfao
frozen kernel
No. You promised we’d play ashes of ariandel
copper hawk
Insert victimization complex joke here
frozen kernel
How dare you cop out
rocky nacelle
Insert victimization complex joke here
😇
rocky nacelle
did work do that to you
copper hawk
ya id be down cica (i might go hang out at a homies house tn though ill lyk)
Pawesome
If u go have fun !! If not , id be happy to toys
Tea For Two !!!
frozen kernel
Oh wait it’s cica with a new shell
copper hawk
Yerp
frozen kernel
Nvm, pun is in character
copper hawk
did work do that to you
Byeah
hard nexus
copper hawk
Need a pawful badge
rocky nacelle
evil cica be like thats awesome and thats awful
rocky nacelle
Byeah
aw well hopefully u can de fry ur brain with tf2 being the ice cubes or something (just chillaxing)
rocky nacelle
you should just what
copper hawk
you should just what
Moldmax
ornate bone
Damn, wanted to play with friends but been having problems since like.. the 5th
copper hawk
is this just lying in your bed
Yerp
hasty raft
So am I just a weirdo for loving karnac twins runs? Beat secret hardmode before the nerf, and I just love it
rocky nacelle
I’d rather you get some actual rest instead of toysing
hasty raft
like a flex, but a promise "You can be this good, just keep trying"
rocky nacelle
No
hasty raft
I never talk down or insult others, just damn its fun
copper hawk
Whiteknight lil ol me
Ill pocket u and abandon u as soon danger appearz
Nyeahahaha..
Phlog default uber would be fun as fuck
I need 2 farm kills 4 my strange kritzkrieg,,
rocky nacelle
phlog uber oh man
the amount of furries that would run at me with that
I prefer kritz and sticky spam like the pros do
hasty raft
10440710014
rocky nacelle
😈
vague depot
I play caber demo
rocky nacelle
too bad they nerfed caber for no reason
vague depot
But when I first started I played medic because all my friends wanted a medic but no one wanted to play medic
rocky nacelle
feelz bad
vague depot
too bad they nerfed caber for no reason
Wait what when did this happen
vague depot
Oh I thought a new one came out
vague depot
It’s fine I learned to just deal with it
It’s funny when it lands and it makes up for all the times it just janks
rocky nacelle
gabens strongest gambler
vague depot
Think I ran loose cannon shield caber and I would just hit the explode keybind whenever I landed the caber
misty mason
I cri
vague depot
Missing the right side of their brain I think
visual stream
I cri
This is definitely someone who uses momentum and shock and awe on their Ironhelm, with crit chance and damage for perks
copper hawk
Baby discoverz weapon rolez
visual stream
I have in fact seen a specimen of this exact kind before
misty mason
I mean sure, the weapon that is hyper specialised in killing hard targets is better at killing hard targets, but the weapon that is designed to be good in hordes is better at hordes sooo
😎 checkmate rejects
copper hawk
CHECKMATE. rejectites..
misty mason
Checkmate rejecthiests
visual stream
Saw a hammer user with blazing piety on the other day... felt a little racist..
rocky nacelle
libfarts
misty mason
Saw a hammer user with blazing piety on the other day... felt a little racist..
U saw me?
autumn void
Saw a hammer user with blazing piety on the other day... felt a little racist..
Wait is BP not used for Thammer? Is it IJ?
frozen kernel
modern gamers need to watch at least 4 YouTube videos titled
** SUPER SECRET ENDGAME WEAPON YOU MISSED IN WARHAMMER 40 DARKTIDE** in order to find the mythical best weapon that kills every enemy in a single swing
hard nexus
Wait is BP not used for Thammer? Is it IJ?
yeah
blazing piety is not great
on thammer
it can work probably
but
frozen kernel
Crit thammer? 🥴
hard nexus
not well
sterile basalt
I cri
Crucis does take 2 heavy attacks even with thrust (3) + 25% carapace, without other buffs active
It’s like 3569 damage on weakspot
misty mason
I love crit thammer
sterile basalt
Because u really don’t get that 1 tap at the start of combat without duellist / ability / martyr
IJ needs u to hit smth first to activate
Sustained assault needs u to hit smth first to activate
Martyrdom works all the time but it’s martyrdom
I guess if u run carapace + elite on ur hammer u can not worry abt it
misty mason
Tbf it's more about chastise uptime
north sedge
dont need chastise if you're not on piety
fleet zealot
i hope everyone feels the pain i felt when crit chaxes was in my lobbies
misty mason
What do you mean need
hard nexus
Because u really don’t get that 1 tap at the start of combat without duellist / ...
IJ should apply to the first hit imo
visual stream
Wait is BP not used for Thammer? Is it IJ?
Like always either Martyrdom or IJ
I prefer IJ
rocky nacelle
funny fact
my first game I tried MkX
(I forgot a keystone)
and the dodges felt fine
🤫
but IJ feels good on relic
visual stream
No keystone zealot gameplay 
vague depot
I fucking hate ladders man
lavish flax
hm i played a decent amount of martyrdom with crucis it was fun
idk if it's good but it's fun
vague depot
In my experience it’s kinda overkill you pretty much already one shot anything that isn’t a boss without martyrdoms damage bonuses
Might as well run ij for general buffs
rocky nacelle
overkill is the only damage that matters
misty ravine
https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-12311761
Big Guy chat is down the hall and to the left
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914161923334214
lavish flax
yeah i ended up just running IJ instead, i think the main place martyrdom mattered was better bps with special-light -> light spam to kill some stuff
but it's really annoying to play bps on martyrdom anyways because you can't easily control wounds
rocky nacelle
Big Guy chat is down the hall and to the left
https://discord.com/channels/72707...
worst disrespect ive ever been dealt in zealot chat
(even though I started on ogryn)
lavish flax
martyrdom does give an absurd amount of stats but i wish it were less finicky and you got screwed less by like, allies exploding bursters in your face or whatever
visual stream
martyrdom does give an absurd amount of stats but i wish it were less finicky an...
You get screwed less on Martyrdom vs. non-Martyrdom by those things at least
frozen kernel
dont need chastise if you're not on piety
Yeah but pressing ℱ to launch yourself at the nearest heretic is really fun so…
lavish flax
You get screwed less on Martyrdom vs. non-Martyrdom by those things at least
well it just sucks when someone blows my death save for no reason
sometimes they do it when there's nothing nearby to hit for the heal too
frozen kernel
IJ mobility with chastise is dopamine farming
lavish flax
so i just have to play at 1hp for the next 3 minutes
visual stream
Thinking about how if my toughness is at 0 but I have full health on veteran, a poxburster will first-down-death me
rocky nacelle
frozen kernel
well it just sucks when someone blows my death save for no reason
Blow your death save to actually save someone, they proceed to gun down all the loose pox with their autogun 
rocky nacelle
🤫
frozen kernel
Goodbye melee toughness regen, goodbye 25HP
hexed igloo
martyrdom does give an absurd amount of stats but i wish it were less finicky an...
Hot take oneshot protection if you're above 1 wound you get left at 1hp instead of dying instantly
Below one wound tho, eh death
lavish flax
Hot take oneshot protection if you're above 1 wound you get left at 1hp instead ...
i feel like if this were a subnode under martyrdom i would take it every time
lavish flax
martyrdom probably just needs a little bit more insurance/variance protection to feel good
gray ice
The secret to Marty is play slightly selfishly
hexed igloo
It's a pretty common thing to be in games idk why it isn't in the game already
north sedge
you can make marty absurdly safe
dunno why people suddenly think its some glass cannon shit
gray ice
martyrdom probably just needs a _little_ bit more insurance/variance protection ...
It has a ton
lavish flax
It has a ton
my specific complaint is going 5-6 stacks and then someone shooting a barrel or poxburster next to me
not, like, getting hit by enemies
if there were no ff mechanics i think it would be fine, great even
hexed igloo
Don't go near barrels ig
gray ice
For bursters I'll push but if someone shoots it I'm just running away
That's theirs now
lavish flax
yeah but sometimes people shoot them after i run up
like if someone really wants to fuck with my day they can
there's not much i can do about it other than never push bursters
gray ice
Yea I don't really go up against secret agents out to get me
lavish flax
you've never had a pub just shoot a burster you're about to shove?
gray ice
No obviously I have happens to everyone
zinc talon
lavish flax
it;'s really annoying that it blows my death save on martyrdom
gray ice
It's just rare that it costs me an UD proc
gray ice
Ig it's just rare enough it's not something I really think about
Usually if a burster fucks me up it's cuz I did it 
lavish flax
yeah it happens to me like once every 2-3 games tbh, it's just incredibly annoying
zinc talon
gray ice
Yea that's waaaaaay more often than I encounter that problem
Maybe once every like 20 games for me?
lavish flax
maybe your timezone is just better
gray ice
I play mostly auric tho
lavish flax
yeah i pretty much never play anything outside of auric histg
gray ice
Maybe it's shite matchmaking
lavish flax
or sometimes maelstroms if it's not something i hate
gray ice
There are a Lotta new players now too
So you are bound to encounter that more in this period, that's probably it
lavish flax
i mostly play at 2am in NA and the matchmaking is pretty bad sometimes ngl
so maybe that's it
gray ice
It really do be like that
lavish flax
anyways i just play IJ on the crucis now and it's fine i just feel like a goofball sprinting around in circles for no reason sometimes
hexed igloo
Mfw approx the cost of 3 fucking warbonds for an armor set and 1 gun
Soyneys greasy fuckin mitts bro it was meant to be a normal warbond
median steeple
According to AH it was on them and not Sony
median steeple
I already had enough to get the armor and now the grind begins to get the gun
heady rapids
rifle has the highest ammo count in the whole game
lavish flax
no idea why I replied there
LOL i was like... yeah i guess i'd put that on my martyrdom zealot if i could??
lunar fable
https://fixvx.com/i/status/1869534445272740000
@rocky nacelle you down to play? 
(this is a joke)
opaque island
killzone crossover
median steeple
https://fixvx.com/i/status/1869534445272740000
there is a direct line from oppenheimer helping create the atomic bomb to godzilla doing the skibidi toilet emote in fortnite
hearty nebula
it's dogshit
frozen kernel
Is it? Seemed like a slightly better tenderizer with a wee bit less damage
lunar fable
there is a direct line from oppenheimer helping create the atomic bomb to godzil...
I am become death, the inspiration of skibidi
fleet zealot
https://fixvx.com/i/status/1869534445272740000
i'm dying
sterile basalt
IJ should apply to the first hit imo
it should
But it currently doesn’t
hearty nebula
Is it? Seemed like a slightly better tenderizer with a wee bit less damage
uh
no
it's barely better than the base AR in practice
if it was medium armor pen, then it'd be a different story
drowsy steppe
https://fixvx.com/i/status/1869534445272740000
we got skibidi toilet in fortnite before gta 6
frozen kernel
it's barely better than the base AR in practice
Pfff
Well at least people can’t cry P2W
Prices are still fuckwild though
hearty nebula
Well at least people can’t cry P2W
I'd be totally fine with it if it was medium armor pen
Because it'd basically just be a second Penetrator
without actually outshining it since Penetrator still has actual sights, ergonomics, and reload times
and basically the same ammo economy too (IF the new AR had medium armor pen)
frozen kernel
I’m afraid of them adding a sidegrade to the Libby pen because I know they still want to bring back The Justice
Which was a better Lib Pen from HD1
frozen kernel
Considering how dogshit the Libby pen was for a while…it makes me paranoid
frozen kernel
I’ll continue to roast games for launching sequels that are missing features from their first game
obsidian prairie
I just wish we had the upgrade systems from HD1 :x
Yarp
frozen kernel
Looking at you, Dragons Dogma 2
obsidian prairie
I miss weapon investment
spare dome
the first game's system was shit
spare dome
you got a nerfed and useless gun when you unlocked it because it was only made balanced/functional with all the upgrades
frozen kernel
Now you just farm samples to do fuck all with them
spare dome
and getting all upgrades was anywhere from 10-30+ mission completes
per fucken weapon
per strategem
it was not cute
obsidian prairie
You can get like 8 samples a mission easy
spare dome
and you need 10 to get one upgrade point
obsidian prairie
average full complete is 40 total
frozen kernel
Some weapons definitely suffered from not having upgrades than others but
spare dome
and completing a cheap weapon was 14 points
spare dome
i mean we had the humblebee
obsidian prairie
Beloved
spare dome
but sorry, still no, lol. that first system was trash and they say as much
obsidian prairie
I will miss you
spare dome
pilestedt has stated they have no intention of bringing that back
they started and then scrapped it pretty early into development
obsidian prairie
I would still like some kind of investment beyond fuck you strip the entire planet bare for the ability to manually target 2 turrets
frozen kernel
It’s 6 samples to fully upgrade the weapon
You’re smoking crack lmao
I just googled the Justice to check the upgrade costs
obsidian prairie
Bayonet is optional and can be skipped to cut to 5
frozen kernel
Yep
obsidian prairie
Lasers were also like 6 per piece
frozen kernel
Trident suffered from not being fully upgraded but it wasn’t fuck off useless without them
spare dome
one was bonkers pricey
frozen kernel
Unless you brought it into 10+ which is just like
frozen kernel
If you’re using un-upgraded weapons at max difficulty in a game with weapon upgrades
You’re silly
spare dome
this is a different kind which doesnt nerf you for not playing and winning missions perpetually
frozen kernel
It’s like someone rocking a grey shredder autopistol in Havoc 40 and being like “These weapons are dogshit”
obsidian prairie
Counterpoint: 150 fucking rare samples so I can manually target 2 stratagems I don't like
spare dome
yea but you dont have to win games to earn mats in DT
you had to win to get anything in HD1
and most players were not winning most of their games
frozen kernel
You didn’t have to play max difficulty
spare dome
and were just grinding out in like D7 or 8 maybe
frozen kernel
You could just run like level 5-6
frozen kernel
And chill with 1-2 people
spare dome
and getting bored
frozen kernel
When you get bored you bump up the difficulty
Because hopefully you haven’t been fucking roleplaying during all that play time
And you have samples to upgrade your shit
Repeat ad nauseam until you just start running random loadouts in high diff because you’re just a beast
Look at most of the regulars here
They’re playing auric mael with shit gear because they’ve mastered the basic gameplay loop and can still perform well with subpar equipment
spare dome
yea so a couple things about that
royal vortex
all i do when i boot the game up is find a ledge to walk off the moment someone gets trappered and then watch the death spiral
frozen kernel
There’s a dude in here who has rolled like 9 of the same character and plays with the autopistol, and he still carries some of his games because the average player is total ass
spare dome
a) no most people really arent that good on this discord, they just talk a lot
b) if youre in a discord server youre likely already in the minority of who is playing the game on a population level, but are definitely overrepresented in terms of playtime
c) HD1 was just a haha fuck em up funny game that was accidentally really mechanically deep and hooked players in ways Arrowhead never predicted so it was full of completely stupid decisions from an action game persepctive because it was just meant to be a Starship Troopers: Magicka reskin
like your pistol being in the same slot as an armor upgrade
or a strategem cooldown
or a sprint bonus
stuff that they didnt repeat this second time around
cause it just inhibited people from actually engaging into the gameplay loop that players found most appealing
and honestly they still made a bunch of silly mistakes cause they really arent that good at doing these things when all their experience is basically stumbling into success
i bought helldivers 1 for all of my friends
like 25+ copies all together
and only one guy stuck through it beyond 30hrs
cause eventually the funny of being teamkilled wears off and you just want to go into deeper dives but there's so muc fucking shit to unlock and they felt limited
you dont want to spend resources on a gun you actually dont like
or upgrade a strategem in a way that wasnt actually all that impactful
but thats what that system let you do
and it was not user friendly and there's a reason they ditched it
fleet zealot
spare dome
not a big deal if you were insane like me and were instantly putting 40hr weeks into Helldivers, but a ridiculous ask for my reasonable and mature homies who only hopped on for an hour or two a week
oh man, and the double-whammy of paying for DLC weapons just to still have to grind out and pay for research points lmao
drowsy steppe
frozen kernel
a) no most people really arent that good on this discord, they just talk a lot
b...
A. Some of the regular names I’ve recognized from months of lurking…Cole, Meow, Dorn, Yamato, Cica, Paradise, etc are all experienced players who’ve contributed a lot more than just “talking a lot” in here
B. I can’t decipher this. You’ll have to elaborate further
C. HD1 is a “hahah fuck em up funny game” aaaaand just leave it there. I think a lot of people forget that games like Helldivers and Darktide do not have final bosses or deep storylines to explore. They do not have rewards beyond titles for ludicrous amounts of playtime.
Your enjoyment of the game comes from playing the game, and each match being oh so slightly different because of an AI director. If you get bored, there’s nothing wrong with that. It just means that it isn’t the game for you. It’s not giving you what you want from a game, but to criticize it because it’s not what you want just makes you sound silly
frozen kernel
oh man, and the double-whammy of paying for DLC weapons just to still have to gr...
Their DLC model was DOGSHIT and I will never defend it lol
HD1 DLC stratagems ranged from worthless noob traps to almost a necessity at higher diff
Like the boots and healing drone were insanely powerful
spare dome
rep 80 lul
hearty nebula
closer....
drowsy steppe
closer....
I am about 900 points away from 6K
spare dome
a) yes some people can. but you spoke of this discord's entire population and said 'most of the regulars'. i assure you, no, most cannot
frozen kernel
you dont want to spend resources on a gun you actually dont like
Something like this is where you lose me. Darktide allowing you to dump 1000 plasteel and diamantine into a tactical axe instead of combat axe is not a fault of the game. It’s an item you can upgrade and you upgraded it
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you blame the game
spare dome
b) most people dont spend their time in discords and subreddits dedicated to a specific game. they buy a game and play it for a while and then move on. if you are you are a staggering minority of the overall population of that game but you are definitely more involved
frozen kernel
a) yes some people can. but you spoke of this discord's entire population and sa...
No, I said “look at most of the regulars here”
frozen kernel
Regulars meaning the people who don’t come in, ask a question, and just leave
frozen kernel
The usual suspects are the folks you recognize who were also here months ago
I’m not talking about LFG or general chat, I’m specifically talking about the zelchat faces
drowsy steppe
spare dome
you singled out some regulars who probably can execute a grays only maelstrom successfully
but no
most regulars
cannot
frozen kernel
I never said that most people could
The context was you mentioning getting bored playing low diff
I was saying that as you play a game, you get better
And people in here are examples of playing the game and getting “good” to the point where they can perform well with subpar gear
So you don’t have to be upset about being forced to play low diff
Because your gear sucks
spare dome
yea i dunno if you noticed this, coming from HD2, but most players are absolute dogshit, cannot and will not learn, and are horribly risk adverse with their time even in a zero-stakes video game
frozen kernel
You’ll notice this in every game you play
The average gamer is dogshit, plain and simple
spare dome
people were too scared to do D7 for purrrrrple samples? pink?
and they dropped it down to D6
but like ... shit dudes its not that scary
and there's a lot of that in DT too
but you dont have to win a game to gain resources in DT
in HD1 especially
you had to win to get ANYTHING
AT ALL
and that meant extracting
frozen kernel
Yeah, and winning isn’t difficult if you play the proper difficulty for your skill level
spare dome
most people did not take chances with that shit
So they got bored
farming up nine samples at a time at D5 or w/e
frozen kernel
You don’t deserve a consolation prize for going in over your head and failing the mission
spare dome
i think you do tbh, mostly cause i dont care
like you put in some time into the game, there should be some sort of progress which is measurable
frozen kernel
Did arcade machines ever give you your quarter back?
spare dome
because people looooooooooooove extrinsic rewards
which i dont understand at all
but they do
unless number go up most people dont play games
frozen kernel
Did the kid working the counter ever refund you your Chuck E. Cheese token because you accidentally chose Expert on the guitar hero game?
spare dome
my parents loved me so they never took me to chuck e cheese
frozen kernel
It just seems like a weird thing to gripe about
frozen kernel
“I failed and I wasn’t rewarded”
spare dome
you wont have me disagreeing
3,700hrs of darktide
i didnt need a crafting rework
i am just fine doin da game better for myself
but most people did
frozen kernel
No, but I would agree with you if you said crafting made the game more accessible for people
Because objectively that’s correct
spare dome
ye
frozen kernel
I’m not saying folks HAVE to use greys
spare dome
cause that was the big issue ultimately
frozen kernel
But just because you have them, doesn’t mean you dive into Auric Damn and then mald because you died
It’s not the game’s fault that you aren’t spending your resources properly and it’s not the game’s job to hold your hand
Although that sucks to say with Darktide because…
spare dome
you play HD1 the first time, you have a giant list of shit that all needs a series of upgrades to be made fully effective, you need multiple mission clears to even fully upgrade one, and you can only do that if you succeed at the missions you undertake
spare dome
people get intimidated, they quit
frozen kernel
I can’t believe the tutorials at Sefoni aren’t more robust
spare dome
ILL LOSE BUT ILL DO IT
frozen kernel
There is NO tutorial for teaching people to dodge nets, dogs, etc
spare dome
yea cause they get performance anxiety like its rehearsal in preschool
frozen kernel
CSGO players spending 150 hours just to customize their crosshair and sensitivity before playing a game
League of legends players sitting in practice tool exploring all their champ interactions
thin pumice
I will say, one of the saddest things I have seen in this game is a lvl 30 vet not knowing how to dodge in damnation.
frozen kernel
you play HD1 the first time, you have a giant list of shit that all needs a seri...
I will say my HD1 experience wasn’t totally raw
I had a friend who showed me the ropes back in the day, basically taught me that samples were #1 priority
I never really had an issue with upgrades because him and his buddies were all really good about collecting them
So that probably contributes to part of the reason why I’m like “it wasn’t that bad wym”
hearty nebula
I will say my HD1 experience wasn’t totally raw
Mine was and it was pretty bad, cause my friends dragged me straight into the higher difficulties when I didn't have like... any upgrades at all
lol
frozen kernel
Yeah I think I bought the game when they released the Pilot Pack
spare dome
it took longer than i care to admit to realize that the ARC Thrower will indeed kill you and all your friends and everyone you love
hearty nebula
Like straight out of tutorial and into hell
frozen kernel
One of the first shitty ezosuits
frozen kernel
Mine was and it was pretty bad, cause my friends dragged me straight into the hi...
I’m so sorry lol
We had one friend’s fiancé play with us
hearty nebula
I should try HD1 again but
frozen kernel
She wasn’t the best at games but she was a good teammate so honestly we didn’t mind the team killing or anything
spare dome
none of that last man standing tension
frozen kernel
HOWEVER
hearty nebula
It just gives me anxiety
hearty nebula
LMAO
frozen kernel
COULD NOT FUCKING DISTINGUISH YELLOW
So one game we were hanging out on the super destroyer
spare dome
it's best practice to assume everyone is a cyborg
hearty nebula
thats awful lol
frozen kernel
And we mentioned the outlines
The little yellow circles around the characters
She’s just like “I’m sorry the WHAT”
And then it hit us
hearty nebula
💀💀💀💀
frozen kernel
And we were like “holy shit you are absolved of every single teamkill you’ve committed we are so sorry”
It was hysterical
Now one of my best friends has issues with light blues/yellow
So occasionally in games I still get that legacy haunting me lol
“Do you not see the little blue halo around my target?”
“What did you just ask me?”
“Oh…yeah”
spare dome
cant say i miss hounds tho
frozen kernel
Low key I do
I wish gamers had better mental health so that games could “trial by fire” players more often
But it’s like you said, people just get upset and quit
spare dome
games are only fun if i can lose
admittedly though some shit really is user unfriendly
frozen kernel
For me I think I enjoy games the most when they’re friendly to new people
I’ve always been the one dude in chat going “leave the noobs alone >:(“
Because I want people to play the game with
And if people are shitheads and the game is not new player friendly…it’ll die
spare dome
i try not to infodump too hard on new peeps
but i also come from the assumption that people want to learn on their own
which is strictly not always true
hearty nebula
cant say i miss hounds tho
Iirc there's assets for them (or at least there was) in HD2
spare dome
in fact some dont want to learn at all lmao
frozen kernel
Oh I’ll infodump the shit out of them because frankly, I don’t trust people to put the pieces together
hearty nebula
same
frozen kernel
Retaining that information is on them
frozen kernel
If I tell a friend “Hey when you hear the trapper net start buzzing, you need to dodge to the side no matter what”
They’ll only learn by putting it into practice
spare dome
sp basically a rougelike
frozen kernel
I can hope that if they get netted, they think to themselves “Oh fuck Banx told me to dodge and I totally forgot”
spare dome
where i am sent straight back to the start if i die to something i didnt understand
frozen kernel
But I don’t trust them to
spare dome
which in that game is EVERYTHING
frozen kernel
And I don’t want them to mald at me like “AND THEN A FUCKING TRAPPER NETTED ME WHILE I WAS KILLING A RAGER”
Because then I have to fight the worm to not say “skill issue”
spare dome
the stuff is not that obvious tho
frozen kernel
“Hey man, shit will happen. It’s fine, just try to do better next time”
They’re so caught up in the gamer baby rage that they aren’t looking towards the future
They’re just stuck that they died to something silly
spare dome
like just realizing that the pilot light clicking sound = flamers was not known information for a week or two
but its always been there
you just didn't know it was important
frozen kernel
I basically brief any new friends playing Darktide with “This is a sound heavy game like Hunt Showdown. You need to listen for footsteps and other sound queues”
So they don’t put on the anime music in the background
spare dome
nightcore
frozen kernel
Nah it’ll be like, generic orchestral anime battle music
It sucks because my guys are stuck in limbo rn
They cannot survive well on Damnation
But if we play Heresy, the rushing Psyker will run ahead and just assail everything to death until he’s put down by chip damage
hearty nebula
Because then I have to fight the worm to not say “skill issue”
i dont say skill issue in pubs
frozen kernel
So I’m stuck between forcing them to die in T5 so that the dragging veteran learns to keep up, and the rusher learns that he needs the team to help kill things
hearty nebula
I legit just say "stop doing that"
frozen kernel
Or just playing with pugs
frozen kernel
i dont say skill issue in pubs
I wouldn’t say skill issue to a stranger
hearty nebula
i also say it to friends though
frozen kernel
But my friends of 13+ years can take it
hearty nebula
lol
frozen kernel
Yeah lol
hearty nebula
like
I'm not afraid to give people shit if they're obviously way out of their depth & have no interest in improving without being told to do so
hearty nebula
had some barely level 30 zealot earlier keep trying to barrel me at the start of interzone void earlier
and im just like
"nah"
frozen kernel
Like even though I can see yea, I am the only player over level 150 here
I don’t want to tell people what to do
hearty nebula
Waited until we finished up the section with the big room at the start
frozen kernel
Because gamers don’t react well to criticism at the best of times
hearty nebula
And sent them fuckin flying before the train bit lmao
frozen kernel
Even saying something like “Hey could you please share some of the ammo boxes” they’ll snap back with “don’t tell me how to play the game”
frozen kernel
It’s not me that needs the ammo
frozen kernel
I’m a zealot, I’m faster than these plebs
frozen kernel
But when I see one of our fireteam members has literally 0%
And the veteran has 93%
I’m gonna be like “hey man, you don’t need ALL of the ammo”
heady rapids
Even saying something like “Hey could you please share some of the ammo boxes” t...
barrel them off the map
frozen kernel
It’s a tough situation
Do you bite the toxicity bullet and teamkill them because you’ve made the decision that it’s best for the team to go without a 4th body, or do you let it play out so long as you finish the mission?
My team psyker would barrel veterans when they weren’t performing up to his satisfaction, back around launch pre-scoreboard
heady rapids
It’s a tough situation
tough only in the sense of that it could be hard finding a moment to barrel them
frozen kernel
Realistically, at least one of those veterans was probably doing better than him
But none of us could’ve ever known
But it leaves me feeling shitty that some rando got queued into our 3stack, just to get executed by a salty player who’s malding in a Discord they don’t know about
violet hornet
If only they'd get on discord so they could read the vitriol they inspired
opaque island
frozen kernel
I’m basically Mr Fucking Rogers when I play because I’ve had to play with Sadam Hussein
heady rapids
I never kick people unless they're being an asshole tbh
cause if it's just a bad player they'd die
and then you can just not pick them up lol
drowsy steppe
My team psyker would barrel veterans when they weren’t performing up to his sati...
your team psyker is an asshole 🙂
frozen kernel
If someone’s genuinely bad, I don’t give a fuck
I will gladly carry them as long as they’re trying
mighty root
If someone’s genuinely bad, I don’t give a fuck
drowsy steppe
If someone’s genuinely bad, I don’t give a fuck
fr
frozen kernel
Because one day they’ll be better, even if it’s only marginally
heady rapids
it's more to that to just being bad
mighty root
I will gladly carry them as long as they’re trying
frozen kernel
But if they’re just acting like a douchebag yeah, be gone child
heady rapids
there's also the entitlement that goes along with it
frozen kernel
That’s why I don’t like to see my guys do that
hearty nebula
i dont mind bad players
violet hornet
Usually if I carry an out of depth noob they're apologetic afterwards lol
Like frog 
hearty nebula
but if i tell someone to do x/y/z because it's actively detrimental to the rest of the squad & they start throwing a hissy fit over it i'm not going to be nice to them
frozen kernel
Usually if I carry an out of depth noob they're apologetic afterwards lol
I feel like 10 million dollars when a noob says something at the end like “Zealot w carry”
mighty root
i play on reg damm quickplay to find creatures
hearty nebula
your ass is not getting rezzed if you backtalk me after telling you to stop fucking us over
drowsy steppe
my best zealot moments is me carrying and clutching bad situations from bad teammates
frozen kernel
I de-age five years and I’m filled with vigor
violet hornet
I feel like 10 million dollars when a noob says something at the end like “Zealo...
Yeah some of those comments will live rent free in my head for a long time
rocky nacelle
your ass is not getting rezzed if you backtalk me after telling you to stop fuck...
shut up noob
drowsy steppe
being told in game chat that Im god and thanking for the carry and Im like 
lament blaze
your ass is not getting rezzed if you backtalk me after telling you to stop fuck...
Your ass is not geting rezzed if me and my homie arbitrarily determine that you're doodoo farts and smell like sweaty cheeks
Then we will forget in 5 seconds and rez you anyway
hearty nebula
ur sedition player
heady rapids
fatshark tell you that they aren't gonna add solo play then let playstation players in. intriguing
hearty nebula
literally
opaque island
your ass is not getting rezzed if you backtalk me after telling you to stop fuck...
even if i say, "that was mean 😦 "?
mighty root
the sleepest clutch of my life
hearty nebula
#zealot-class message never forget
frozen kernel
but if i tell someone to do x/y/z because it's actively detrimental to the rest ...
Last time my psyker was playing on his own, I was at work. He was getting absolutely bushwhacked in heresy/damnation so I asked him to show me his build.
He didn’t show me the tree, the stats on his dueling sword/recon las were absolutely awful, and he had at least 1 wound curio
mighty root
Last time my psyker was playing on his own, I was at work. He was getting absolu...
peak building
frozen kernel
When I told him “Take that wound curio off immediately and equip literally anything else” he got all upset because he allegedly didn’t have any other curios, and couldn’t afford to buy one from Brunt
hearty nebula
wounds on soyker...
heady rapids
waystalker that leaves after getting down vibes
frozen kernel
So I told him
hearty nebula
barrel him IMMEDIATELY
frozen kernel
“Go play a fucking malice game”
Get some money
Then he was upset because malice players are awful
mighty root
wounds on soyker...
the kamikaze soyker
frozen kernel
And it was only a little funny
frozen kernel
But getting him to even boot the game is a feat because he could just play SM2 where your 5 second parry window lets you win the game
hearty nebula
dude
frozen kernel
So I play alone ;-;
hearty nebula
dont even get my friend started on SM2 pubs
they're even more braindead than darktide pubs
steel agate
But getting him to even boot the game is a feat because he could just play SM2 w...
Hehehe vanguard talent go brrrr
frozen kernel
Oh yeah I’ve heard them bitch about them too while I’ve been at work
mighty root
they're even more braindead than darktide pubs
well yeah
frozen kernel
Doesn’t help that class balance is a little wonky to begin with
opal star
crayon marinesssss
frozen kernel
Also two of them both want to play shield guy
mighty root
i hate space marines
frozen kernel
So they have to share
drowsy steppe
When I told him “Take that wound curio off immediately and equip literally anyth...
send him to the void
hearty nebula
Oh yeah I’ve heard them bitch about them too while I’ve been at work
like when the game launched
he was legitimately just seething in the server chat for like a week straight
sullen forge
they're even more braindead than darktide pubs
Notice PVP games tend to have more brainless people than PVE
violet hornet
dont even get my friend started on SM2 pubs
Sm2 pubs act like other Marines dont exist lol
hearty nebula
because people were just so insanely inept at just fucking parrying even
hearty nebula
Notice PVP games tend to have more brainless people than PVE
this was PVE mode
not PVP
frozen kernel
I just thought it was hilarious right
SM2 launches with coherency
Players ignore the mechanic entirely outside of high level
Devs change the mechanic
hearty nebula
SM2 update, replace multiplayer space marines with a 16 player mode with rejects
it'll get cleared in half the time, fuck power scaling
frozen kernel
Darktide launches with coherency and it’s actually done fairly well
Great bonuses from every class
heady rapids
SM2 launches with coherency
it didn't
frozen kernel
Friend refuses to stay with the group
mighty root
sp have got to be the most bland and uninteresting "characters" ive ever read about and seen in action
heady rapids
Players ignore the mechanic entirely outside of high level
cause it didn't exist
hearty nebula
Darktide launches with coherency and it’s actually done fairly well
i'd agree if coherency still actually worked while in combat
heady rapids
no it didn't exist on release
frozen kernel
Oh shit
frozen kernel
That’s almost funnier ngl
hearty nebula
💀
mighty root
crazy how the normal human inquisitors are more interesting than them
frozen kernel
SM2 seemed neat but it just…wasn’t a game for me
steel agate
I like what they did with the sound indicators in sm2, the unparrible sound effect is a lot more distinct now
hearty nebula
Unironically, I've considered buying SM2 several times
frozen kernel
Part of it is that I also do not like Space Marines
hearty nebula
I love playing big fuckoff dudes which makes me incredibly pissed that Ogryn is so ass
steel agate
Just so I can fucking flex on the braindead players in it
The amount of clutching I’ve done rubbing 2 brain cells together in pubs
Is uncanny
hearty nebula
a skaven class would be fun but it'd never happen
because fatshark is STINKY and BUMPY WEIRD
frozen kernel
Give me a grimy little rat creature play style and I’ll never look back
hearty nebula
real
mighty root
SM2 seemed neat but it just…wasn’t a game for me
its for window lickers and crayon munchers
hearty nebula
it'd be like dwarf guy
but better
because skaven aren't that short so you'd be able to actually benefit from headshot damage with melees
frozen kernel
Playing utahraptor in The Isle was some of the greatest terrorism I’ve experienced
My buddy calls me a “mosquito gamer” because I play a lot of hit and run characters
violet hornet
Reminds me of skulking in natural selection 2
hearty nebula
My buddy calls me a “mosquito gamer” because I play a lot of hit and run charact...
this is literally just how i play helldivers 2
frozen kernel
Yep
frozen kernel
Helldivers I’m like “Heheh I’m not a frontline soldier”
hearty nebula
just chuck an eagle airstrike into an automaton outpost and walk away
hearty nebula
Jump pack is so goated
frozen kernel
People run out into the street, suddenly just BOOMBOOMBOOM and all the overseer heads are gone
hearty nebula
It always has been, people slept on it for so fucking long and only started using it after they buffed the absolute fuck out of it
and made it baby mode to use
frozen kernel
They run in, hellbomb, gtfo while I’m watching for watchers
hearty nebula
and even then most people still dont know how to use it well
(me when i actually have to hold the jump button to get more height)
frozen kernel
“Oh fuck there’s a lot of bugs and my back is against the wall”
hearty nebula
yeah
frozen kernel
Nyoom
frozen kernel
I forget how the first game pack worked but yeah
I throw grenades as I fly
I’m basically Temu Eagle 1
They call me Pigeon 1
steel agate
I’ll call u bagelgoose 
hearty nebula
and get up on a big rock with jump pack
and enemy AI literally just could not cope
frozen kernel
I’ll call u bagelgoose <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Truly honored 
Seething is unironically one of my favorite monsters
steel agate
Yes he has caused younger hunter me a lot of suffering it is a great title
If I had to fight a monster tho it’d be odogaron, love me some Clifford rage
frozen kernel
OG bagel was very much “ohfuckohshitohgod” when he first started invading
But by grinding lands and rise I would be like “omg Bagel! Hi!!!”
Meanwhile my buddy is like
hexed igloo
If I had to fight a monster tho it’d be odogaron, love me some Clifford rage
I love odo, easily my favourite
hearty nebula
but i fucking hate world's earlygame it's so ass
hexed igloo
im mad they never put kirin into rise
Dog who the fuck wants to fight kirin
hearty nebula
hexed igloo
ME
I've played through 4 fuckin times, I fought kirin in the first playthrough and haven't gone near that fucker again
It's so ass
hearty nebula
lolol
frozen kernel
but i fucking hate world's earlygame it's so ass
I hate going back to world because claggers ruin the flow of hunts 😩
hearty nebula
Yeah that's about what I've heard frm everyone
frozen kernel
It’s such a dope game but fuck
hearty nebula
I really
steel agate
I love odo, easily my favourite
Can’t get over the recovery attacks they have, a good ol “oh you thought I was gonna stay staggered forever?” Type of check
frozen kernel
I hate the clagger so much
hearty nebula
REALLY tried hard to get into World
hexed igloo
The fuckin cutscenes in world are horrific
hearty nebula
and just couldn't do it
steel agate
Like a walking blender
hexed igloo
Once you get to high rank it's chill tho
hexed igloo
Yeaaaaa
steel agate
I regret not visiting dodogama more in world
hearty nebula
I feel bad for my friend because he bought me the base game + iceborne
frozen kernel
World suffers from awful early gameitus
hearty nebula
and I'm just like
steel agate
He’s so cute
hearty nebula
"nah"
hearty nebula
But on the other hand
hexed igloo
It sucks you need a mod to fix it but
frozen kernel
I will always be the dork who says
hearty nebula
it shouldn't be a thing I should have to fucking get
frozen kernel
“You shouldn’t need a mod to fix the game 
“
hearty nebula
It's fucking stupid that the solution is always a 3rd party option, LOOKING AT YOU FATSHARK
GIVE ME FUCKING TOOLTIPS
ASSHOLES
frozen kernel
Numeric UI in a nutshell
hearty nebula
Unironically
hexed igloo
I only have 2 mods tho, one gives my swaxe/gs more slam effects and the other one puts the handler in a bikini
frozen kernel
“Hey uh you really want this mod. It just goes in a folder, no crazy process”
“It lets you see ammo and shit so you don’t eat it all”
frozen kernel
Modding in most games is so piss easy
hearty nebula
3 mods at most
frozen kernel
It’s all Nexus now
hexed igloo
Nei you hype for wilds?
hearty nebula
that directly conflict or require a specific load order
hearty nebula
Nei you hype for wilds?
I'm gonna be honest
Not really
Like I'm interested, but I'm not going to bother until I see some of my friend's opinions
frozen kernel
Remember installing fucking Wiremod and PhysX using TortoiseSVN back in like 2011 gmod?
That shit was awful
hexed igloo
Tbh fair, I'm looking forward to it but keeping my expectations a bit lower
The beta was pretty fire, so here's hoping it's at least as good as that
hearty nebula
Monster Hunter just has too much pussy footing around before you get to the actual fun shit in the game usually
frozen kernel
But still 99% of mods for Gmod were just “Put in your Garrysmod/Garrysmod/Addons folder”
hearty nebula
i love modding skyrim