zealot-class

[drowsy steppe]

done

[spare talon]

like i understand that people can play the game with raw skill, like you dont need an amazing build to do well
but i do not understand just making builds that functionally dont make sense and dont synergize

[drowsy steppe]

or put rampage + savage sweep/wrath for easier cleave+ access

[fleet zealot]

wdym my lacerate haymaker knife isn't good synergy

[red swift]

I’m more of a ruthless backstab and uncanny guy myself

[pastel harbor]

Flesh tearer + lacerate for me

[obsidian prairie]

@wary timber watch very carefully

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1317357887357718569/Crusher_1_shot_energy_leakage__IJ_stacks__10_elite_and_25_flak.mp4?ex=67605ee3&is=675f0d63&hm=ed88c2ea31c55dfbf85f3b9cd95f3327876199ae6fbe120ea0a30ce5e37f1a6a&

[visual stream]

When are we getting trauma and hammerblow on knife ffs

Unusable weapon

[drowsy steppe]

harder to access than just getting Duelist active but hey, 1 shot breakpoint on crusher possible without Duelist

[misty ravine]

But why

[royal vortex]

this guy was a 730 right after p15 came out

[spare dome]

makes sense to me

[wary timber]

I'll clip it next time it happens whenever I play

Its only happened twice

[fleet zealot]

so A) never finding a clip or B) posting a clip only to get instantly clowned on by frame analysis

FUCK my dnd campaign life

fuckin undead empire blocked our resurrection spell 3 seas over and took the gold fee as a fine

[obsidian prairie]

Acerak moment

[visual stream]

I'm convinced at least half of these people have no idea that you can reallocate points freely

I always see these and I'm like "this looks like someone grabbed stuff that looked nice as they were leveling up and ran out of points at the bottom"

[fleet zealot]

DM moment

[visual stream]

That sounds like some crazy player hate LMAO unless the setting was already described like that

[fleet zealot]

nah

[native whale]

Would swapping from orgryn to zealot be a good choice,

[fleet zealot]

it's not a player

it's my PC's mom

[visual stream]

I just started one as an archfey pact warlock (2024) and just at 3rd level it's pretty yummers

Three free misty steps PLUS benefits every time you use it is crazy work

[visual stream]

Depends on what you want in your gameplay

[native whale]

The ability to be a dumbass

[misty ravine]

Wanting to make attacks other than heavy spam

[steep hound]

Do people with chorus prefer using the TDR or damage boost subnode? For havoc

[sterile stone]

Does this mean we can get shwarma on the way home

[visual stream]

Neither tbhing

But if you have a spare point, the damage

+100 gold toughness is so so much survivability that the TDR is not very worth compared to +20% teamwide damage

[fleet zealot]

neither, point starved

and people aren't building around your 20% more damage

[spare dome]

i do neither

[steep hound]

My thought as well, tho I was so locked into the choice I didn't consider dropping the point entirely. I could use that point elsewhere for sure

[fleet zealot]

so you have to full channel, which isn't always optimal

to give a buff your teammates prob won't get meaningful ttk/bp changes

[visual stream]

I think there are plenty of weapons, especially ranged, that don't work specifically around BPs so that helps there

[fleet zealot]

TDR for havoc is honestly better on top of golden toughness

[visual stream]

But yeah a point somewhere else is usually better

[fleet zealot]

it's just 20% damage

[sterile basalt]

Neither, take smth else

[fleet zealot]

not even base damage like ogryn taunt

[visual stream]

What kind of damage is it?

[visual stream]

Send a pic of your tree and we can give ya options

[fleet zealot]

SOMEONE smarter than me explain the difference between damage and base damage and how damage works

[sterile basalt]

It’s +20% damage unlike ogryn’s taunt which is x125% damage taken

[visual stream]

What's the difference between +20% damage and x120% damage taken?

Is it an ADM interaction thing?

[fleet zealot]

most players already have + dmg

meanwhile + base damage is harder to come by

[sterile basalt]

So let’s say you have +10% damage from other talents

That +20% gives u +30% total (20+10)
But if you had taunt on that enemy, they’d take 110% x125% = 137.5% damage

[fleet zealot]

THAT"s it

[sterile basalt]

Which is 7.5% more in the end compared to pure damage stacking

[fleet zealot]

thanks steam guide veteran wip

[visual stream]

AH I see

[steep hound]

Say you already have +50% damage, now you have +70% damage. The 50% doesn't see the increase so your effective damage boost is closer to 13%

[visual stream]

That makes more sense

[fleet zealot]

so you have to full channel for it, and teammates usually already have plain damage stacked up already in havoc

[visual stream]

I thought them leaving out the "base" when only saying "damage" in tooltips sometimes was just another inconsistent FatShark moment

[steep hound]

It's impossible to keep track without memorizing every talent every update lol

[sterile basalt]

Generally it works like this
x(damage + close damage + damage vs enemy group)
x(armor damage modifier + % rending + % brittleness)
x(+strength)
x damage vs specific armor type (weapon perk)
x flanking damage (backstab enable)
x damage.taken

And then finesse is a somewhat separate thing from these

[visual stream]

Can't even be consistent in their inconsistency smh

[sterile basalt]

I’m writing everything in my guide to be in the form of how the game calculates it

So it’ll be less confusing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[visual stream]

Good work

[steep hound]

I appreciate you diving into this and making recommendations from it because I have no desire to keep track of it lol

[sterile basalt]

There aren’t many “damage.taken” modifiers

this should be very comprehensive

[steep hound]

I replaced the node with Good Balance I couldn't make that node work before and was sad

[visual stream]

Good choice

Good Balance yummers

Sometimes I have nightmares about being forced to play a middle tree zealot

Sainted Gunslinger and Hammer of Faith STAY AWAY FROM ME

[fleet zealot]

yea base damage is, ogryn taunt extension 25%, psyker smite extension 10%, psyker warp charges extension 4% each up to 24% at 6 stacks. (special mention assail EP getting +50 base damage). Veteran longshot 20% but scaling with distance, veteran covering fire 10%, killzone 20% but only if no enemies are within 8m, veteran For The Emperor 10% melee and ranged base (why is this one differentiated), veteran superioty complex 15% to elites, veteran competitive urge 20% base damage, veteran skirmisher 5% per stack up to 25%

okay i will addendum

if your team is stacking vets

damage chorus would actually be good

[sterile basalt]

I don’t think so tbh

[visual stream]

Three VoC vets and one Chorus zealot

Wouldn't that be pretty decent for Havoc?

[fleet zealot]

zealot has anoint in blood 25% close ranged damage

[sterile basalt]

Because veteran is going to crank damage in havoc builds regardless of context

And most of it is the additive +damage

[fleet zealot]

idk, a lot of their talents are base damage

i just listed them

[sterile basalt]

The only exception is marksman (+20% strength)

[fleet zealot]

they have the most in the game

longshot, covering fire (which might actually be useful in havoc), for the emperor, superioty complex, competitive urge and skirmisher

[sterile basalt]

Covering fire not worth

Anyone taking fire team path is not giving up tinkerer

FTE is beaten out by the other 2 nodes in that same row

Born leader is extra 22 toughness on VoC use plus passive team spread

KTHD shuts down shooters with some guns which is huge

Competitive urge is still ass

Skirmisher is still ass

[fleet zealot]

i see

anyways, zealot gets 1 base damage talent and it's not even for melee

[sterile basalt]

A more realistic damage stack would be smth like superiority complex + marksman + CQKZ where for 10s after using ability veteran gets to delete basically any particular non-boss enemy in 3~4 hits max

[fleet zealot]

so yea, if your team is stacking vets then TDR might just be the best, but ironwill exists but it just helps maintain that golden toughness. Or jsut, skip it

[sterile basalt]

I think TDR is the better pick for chorus in havoc but I still wouldn’t take it cuz of zealot’s insane point tax situation

TDR means you prevent your team’s psyker from instantly kissing the floor from a single shotgunner blast

[obsidian prairie]

If zealot doesn't get a tree rework next major update I will fight someone

[visual stream]

Tbf 100 gold toughness already does that

[sterile basalt]

Get shot by 2, gg

[visual stream]

So now they'll take three instead of two

Exactly

[sterile basalt]

Havoc’s biggest impression I have is getting PTSD from seeing shotgunners and reapers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[obsidian prairie]

Havoc has ruined my ability to enjoy anything below auric

[steep hound]

Anyone care to give critiques? Gear, perks, talents, all of it. For havoc 35+ https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dbc64c8-3d57-4744-ba09-048ffb8d2f93/hi-havoc

[obsidian prairie]

I played a random normal board damnation today and just

It was boring as shit

[sterile basalt]

Don’t bother with revolver in havoc

[visual stream]

Where is my raised blood pressure? This simply will not do

[obsidian prairie]

I actually forgot I had FotF half the time because I didn't need it

[sterile basalt]

Revolver is really really not good in havoc lol

Base game, revolver is broken op

Havoc, revolver is ammo sink for like no return

[steep hound]

What would you take instead? It doesnt get used much, Rashad is out 95% of the time

[sterile basalt]

I’m pretty sure havoc’s health increase nullified like every single revolver breakpoint

[sterile basalt]

Recon VIc
Infantry autogun V
Laspistol II
Flamer
Boltgun (?)

[fleet zealot]

viag or flamer

[fleet zealot]

you get unhardened snipers, just like throwing knives

[steep hound]

I feel like all of those will end up being more of an ammo sink for me lol

[sterile basalt]

VIc recon can ranged apply burn with piety, it’s ok

[fleet zealot]

recon and laspistol is good too, I heard mixed things on bolter but more positive than others

[fleet zealot]

las pistol has so much ammo,

[steep hound]

I'm not running piety

[fleet zealot]

you can run headhunter infernus then i guess

[sterile basalt]

Laspistol is basically how u deal with stalkers that would 1 burst ur whole toughness bar

[fleet zealot]

dots are really important for pox hardened

[sterile basalt]

Laspistol + dance of death + duellist
Super strong

[fleet zealot]

i also don't like rashad in havoc

[steep hound]

Hmmm. So HH + Infernus?

[sterile basalt]

Rashad in havoc only good on veteran imo

[fleet zealot]

dum dum infernus is the best but yea, you need to still be able to proc it

[sterile basalt]

Only veteran can crank enough damage to make it kill elites to activate BM

[fleet zealot]

yea

BM is garbage without hitting BPs

yuo basically only get regular hordes

[sterile basalt]

Rashad can still kill hordes but not much vs elites

It’s pretty much a veteran only melee in havoc

[steep hound]

That's basically what I've been doing since in high havoc everyone is running DS

No one does horde clear

[fleet zealot]

the best melee for havoc is duelist if you are in a premade with horde control already, but relic sword fits the niche to cover your melee

[burnt folio]

Alrighty nerds, what the hell do I do with the magic highlander sword

[fleet zealot]

you should be taking relic sword if you are going with randoms/teams without like a dedicated purge staff

[sterile basalt]

U could try relic blade? I heard it’s ok

[fleet zealot]

[burnt folio]

I always forget those are a thing ngl

[fleet zealot]

it's great, good blessing options, no target cap for damage and high minimum damage

great combos for single target

[burnt folio]

Apologies for my dumbshittery

[fleet zealot]

it's biggest weakness is that it's a brick

[sterile basalt]

Yea

And zealot kind of wants piety for chorus CDR in havoc

[fleet zealot]

60% mobility on a tied for worst dodges in the game weapon is ROUGH

[fleet zealot]

it works

piety works, it's not amazing like knife duelist

but it's finesse ratio is 1.7 on stabs and overheads and uppercuts

or

it's 1.7 on charged attacks

idk

i've been told both

[obsidian prairie]

you can check this really easily

[sterile basalt]

I wonder how many zealot melee weapons are certified good in havoc

[steep hound]

The setup I linked cleared a 35 with randoms, I ran with a shield purg psyker and basically ran interference keeping shit away from the bubble. It worked well, I even managed to clutch when the rest of the team wiped. Dunno if I could have with the relic blade

[fleet zealot]

if you have dedicated horde clear, knife and duelist are prob both good

[sterile basalt]

Veteran I think there’re like mainly 5 ish choices (excluding variants) for melee and 4~5 choices for ranged

[fleet zealot]

you could make rashad work as well if that's the case, but i think relic blade is made for havoc horde clearing

[sterile basalt]

Veteran havoc starter pack

[fleet zealot]

you just swap to wrath for 21st/gas missions

and you just keep swinging

your high minimum damage is insane for hordes

[steep hound]

What about curios, what do y'all like running? Blessings and perks

[sterile basalt]

Definitely stock up on toughness

[fleet zealot]

i'm running 17% toughness x3, 5% hp 3x, 5% toughness 3x, 3x gunner resist

would prob swap to stam regen

if i was in a premade

[sterile basalt]

I still run 1 health curio on veteran
But zealot u prob don’t need +health curio specifically

Definitely get 3x 5% toughness

And 3x 4% CDR

[fleet zealot]

also yea

same reason as revolver, throwing knives

they fall off hard

[sterile basalt]

U need +maniac on ur weapon (or anoint in blood)

For throwing knives

Otherwise they don’t 1 tap flamers to the head

[fleet zealot]

you could honestly put 1 or more hp on if you are going immo nade path cause of restoring faith giving you a lot of effective HP

[burnt folio]

I'm not exactly sure how much I'm hitting weakspots with my sword. Is cranial still worth just for the reduced heat?

[fleet zealot]

at 40?

[sterile basalt]

I think yea

Flamer is 2100 health

[fleet zealot]

yes, cranial rampage is the standard, and you should always be aiming for heads

[sterile basalt]

Does throwing knife have 2100 maniac weakspot base?

[fleet zealot]

what if pox hardened

[sterile basalt]

Then u melee

Pus hardened is such a dogshit modifier

[fleet zealot]

oh and is pox harden affect immo nades, i think they don't but i want confirmation

[sterile basalt]

U cannot build for its breakpoints

[fleet zealot]

flamer gap

[burnt folio]

I just swing man, im not trying for havoc 40

[sterile basalt]

No, fire nade is DOT

[fleet zealot]

doesn't matter about havoc 40 or malice

[steep hound]

How do you feel about going middle instead of right for the first leg to get immo instead of knives

[fleet zealot]

it's a good habit to be swinging for heads, it's just more damage

[steep hound]

gotta give up second wind and blood redemption

[sterile basalt]

That second wind + TWBS point tax is gonna look crazy

[fleet zealot]

worse talent lead-up, immo nade scales really good in havoc tho

[burnt folio]

I mean ill try but with how ass I am im just gonna give the dregs a haircut

[rain wing]

tac axe mark?

[sterile basalt]

TWBS is not “mandatory” now but it’s still good for doing obj

[fleet zealot]

mk2 or mk7, don't use mk4

iirc

[steep hound]

I'd still take that but I'd have to drop second wind which would hurt

[fleet zealot]

just aim for the neck, most weapons have headshot priority anyways

[burnt folio]

Okie doke

[rain wing]

I like 2, what's the deal with 7?

[fleet zealot]

just a different moveset

ask @spare talon

ANSWER TAXE QUESTIONS

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spiritus-summon-vintage-fountain-pen-gif-22872604

[spare talon]

mk2 has more angled attacks in its light attack moveset, so if you prefer spamming lights for group clear with bm, then use that one
the same is true for the mk2s heavies

[fleet zealot]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hf74r1/is_this_the_soulslike_difficulty_ggg_is_talking/

[burnt folio]

Ugh, I dont like throwing knives

[obsidian prairie]

You will by the time you finish the penance for them

(Hopefully)

[burnt folio]

Being locked in a prison cell with with someone will not make me like them

[obsidian prairie]

Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

Or just

[slate haven]

wtf is acid do mathematics

[obsidian prairie]

Peacefully working out your differences with your fellow inmate

[burnt folio]

My names not stockholm🗿

[burnt folio]

What if* they're a pedo

[slate haven]

Yall ever land that thunder hammer hit and it feels like the comfortably numb solo is going

Damn

[burnt folio]

Unrelated

[slate haven]

Crispy ass feeling

[burnt folio]

Point is, I cant aim the Karkin things

[slate haven]

Crispier than zaxbys

[obsidian prairie]

How would a set of 12 knives attempt to interact unfortunately with a child

[slate haven]

Zaxbys > Canes btw

[burnt folio]

Being forced to use something not fun doesn't make it fun

[obsidian prairie]

I hated tknives

Now literally all of my builds run them

[slate haven]

There’s no way

[fleet zealot]

only good chicken in my area is dave's and a grocery store hot deli

[obsidian prairie]

The stockholm syndrome is real

[fleet zealot]

xd

[slate haven]

Throwing knives my beloved 😍😍😍

[burnt folio]

You can aim

[slate haven]

Damn

That’s rough

[fleet zealot]

don't have zaxbys, don't have cane's, chickfila wants to AC/DC the LGBT

kfc sucks

seedy tavern fried chicken is filthy

[slate haven]

SHOOT TO THRILL

Sorry

[fleet zealot]

our popeye's closed

[slate haven]

AC/DC mentioned

[fleet zealot]

dave's is really good, but the deli chicken is cheap and they do nashville hot style as well

[fleet zealot]

no it's fine

[slate haven]

Can I be real for a seck? If it’s offered who tf gets the Cole slaw over the Texas toast

Texas toast is one of the best creations mankind has ever made. Up there with penicillin

[burnt folio]

Terrorists

[fleet zealot]

people who want to pretend to be healthy

but eat something that is prob more fatty cause of the mayo

[slate haven]

Mayo is one of the worst creations mankind has ever made

[fleet zealot]

like texas toast would just be carbs

[burnt folio]

Thats crossing a line

[slate haven]

Mayo is the antithesis of mozzarella sticks on the good to evil scale

[fleet zealot]

i don't hate mayo

i hate how people use mayo

i do not want a mcsplooge in my chicken sandwich

[burnt folio]

I just like it in me subways

[slate haven]

Unpopular opinion, pickles do not belong anywhere near a chicken sammy

[burnt folio]

Sammich nom

[fleet zealot]

i do hate sour cream tho but that's cause i had a bad experience with sour milk and now any sort of sour dairy is ruined for me

[fleet zealot]

i hate pickles so i can't comment on it

[slate haven]

Same

Nasty

[fleet zealot]

the acidity is nice for balance

but you can get that from sauce

[slate haven]

It’s the squishy center part

Yucky

[fleet zealot]

or like, a citrus juice in a pinch

oh i love cucumbers

[obsidian prairie]

Well that’s just bad pickles

[fleet zealot]

especially for that center

i just hate pickles

waste of cucumber

[slate haven]

Nah it’s like a cucumber biproduct

[fleet zealot]

every year i try stuff again just to see if it was a bad one off experience or i needed the real deal

[slate haven]

Idk I spilled pickle juice on my hand one time and didn’t any hand foods with that hand for weeks

I washed it like 87 times in an hour too

[fleet zealot]

found out, i like good ranch sauces, i like mushrooms if prepared properly, as well as cauliflower (tho holy shit bad cauliflower is terrible)

[slate haven]

I had to be SURE

[fleet zealot]

i actually like a lot of pepper, just not jalepenos and bell peppers

chipotle is one of my favorite

but the 3 i never enjoy

is pickles, mustard, and coffee

[slate haven]

Bro I dunno why Hollywood portrays kids hating broccoli and cauliflower. They’re both so gas if you make em right.

[fleet zealot]

cause most people jsut overcook em

steam them plain

overcooked and no seasoning

[slate haven]

Steam with a little garlic, little red pepper flakes ELITE

[fleet zealot]

broccoli is edible raw and plain at least

but cauliflower is terrible unless it's made well

[obsidian prairie]

Broccoli is not something you serve solo imo

[fleet zealot]

speak for yourself

[slate haven]

I think you can say that with most sides

[fleet zealot]

when i was living in my apartment i'd just buy a head of brocoli, rinse it well, and eat off the top of it over a bowl

[slate haven]

Wait now you got me thinking

What sides CANT you serve solo?

[obsidian prairie]

I’d make zucchini and eat it by itself

[fleet zealot]

most sauces

[slate haven]

Is a sauce a side tho

Wiat

[fleet zealot]

a sauce or gravy has to be EXTREMELY good and balanced

[slate haven]

Wait

Is sauce a soup?

[fleet zealot]

to be edible by itself

[fleet zealot]

i believe it's a preperation thing

a sauce is a reduction

a soup is not

or well

[slate haven]

Adds up

[fleet zealot]

fuck idk

food is confusing

[slate haven]

Nah that’s sounds right

I need one of those divider plates I swear

Cuz like

Certain things can touch

Others cannot

Not actually but yk

[fleet zealot]

texture bothers me a bit more after the head injury idk if that's connected

[slate haven]

Why

[fleet zealot]

but like, i can't choke down things that are mid but terrible texture anymore

[slate haven]

Why is this the first thing I see when I open reels

I almost died to a cherry tomato once

I tried to swallow it whole and choked on it

[obsidian prairie]

Is that ai or not

But also

Killed by lightning strike while above the clouds while clearly flying is wild

[slate haven]

His score is wild

Someone pass this on to cousin okri

Cousin okira?

Cousin okra?

You know the dude I’m talking about

Someone send him this

Thanks

[slate haven]

I’m taking this

[limpid oyster]

are you fucking forreal dude

[elfin steppe]

I just realized that I've not seen a single cheater in this game. That's actually impressive.

Even the HD2 has cheaters.

[fleet zealot]

i've seen two for sure

and they were recon aimbotters,

i only noticed cause they literally 180'd back and forth constantly

[elfin steppe]

Wow

[spare talon]

save for macros, ive seen 1 aimbotter lmao

[elfin steppe]

If someone is using aim cheats I probably wouldn't notice.

[fleet zealot]

oh yea but i consider macro abuse to fall under exploiting (tho it's all cheating, cheaters and exploiters are different in my head)

[elfin steppe]

Considering the nature of the tide game, aimbot is probably not that strong.

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1150294829801156618/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.09.09_-_23.50.39.01_Trim.mp4?ex=6761058a&is=675fb40a&hm=0bbf3385439bd63368ef258b2afa9443fa1696c820616f96e831a598260a875c&

[sterile stone]

Manny just had a good chair

Cole is hating

[elfin steppe]

Funny thing is, the guard dog in HD2 will automatically headshot in close range.

[obsidian prairie]

Damn that’s an old clip

[elfin steppe]

It even knows how to save ammo, it switches to single shot mode to kill single or scattered enemies.

[spare talon]

yeah

you can tell its old cuz im downed in it

[obsidian prairie]

It’s the ability icon but that also tracks

[gleaming kelp]

Iron Lung?

Also, is there any defensive tech that involves jumping? Considering switching my crouch and jump to make slides easier.

[drowsy steppe]

hes just coked up on that monster energy juice

[fleet zealot]

you can bunny hop barrel fire

[gleaming kelp]

Like the floor hazard?

[sterile basalt]

What proper recaf does to a guardsman

[drowsy steppe]

yes

Cole on psyker is so weird

[gleaming kelp]

Useful to know

[spare talon]

i do h40s on psyker lmao

[vague depot]

Are you on rn

[spare talon]

im warframe grinding rn

[lunar fable]

[vague depot]

Oh yea the motorcycle goes hard

[drowsy steppe]

fair

but

https://tenor.com/view/lamar-davis-gta-v-wtf-weirded-out-gif-1325458566782332376

[fleet zealot]

psyker randoms got me dooming

why you taking taxe brauto BR scriers warp charges little bro

[obsidian prairie]

The sad part is they don’t even look cool

[fleet zealot]

actually eye cancer

[spare talon]

you realize before skill trees dropped i was a psyker main

right

like during the majority of the feat era

[drowsy steppe]

I genuinely dont go to other class channels 🤷‍♂️

[vague depot]

What’s the mod for going solo again

[drowsy steppe]

true solo?

[vague depot]

Yea

Thanks

[craggy valve]

People who have played extensively with the Relic sword. Does it have higher dps potential than DS in your opinion?

[drowsy steppe]

nope

[long oasis]

ds kills cara significantly faster

[drowsy steppe]

its still slower than DS, and the latter gets access to precog + uncanny + thrust

[copper hawk]

Absolutely not

[frosty herald]

Its more fun tho

[vague depot]

100%

Might not be stronger but it sure as hell feels stronger

[misty ravine]

Relic might run up higher numbers in a horde of stuff you can just mindlessly horde clear loop, but nothing is ever gonna beat DS4 for single target

But yeah Relic actually feels "killy enough for a slow weapon" whereas Knife and then Dueling Sword kinda fucked the whole power vs mobility tradeoff

[gentle crag]

What's the dump stat for the new power sword?

Mobility?

[fleet zealot]

For horde and bruisers yes

Much more so

Ds is king of single target but relic blade is good at everything, you just need to single target combo

H1 H2 l3 or pa h2 l3 for mk10 on a bosses weakspot does a fair bit of damage

[obsidian prairie]

Mk 10 is lame

!!!!!

[fleet zealot]

But relic is probably one of our best clearing weapons for our class

[obsidian prairie]

No uppercut

[fleet zealot]

Yea but i can spam lights in mixed horde and pretend I’m comboing

[obsidian prairie]

Fair

I just like mk2 moveset more because singletarget loop feels better

And uppercut hits FotF crusher oneshot

[fleet zealot]

It needs to be tested but relic scales up to havoc really well

Good blessings, high cleave and more importantly high minimum damage and no cap

Idk if it can beat chsword for pure chaff

[drowsy steppe]

I forgot which swing is which heavy but you can just heavy sweep > heavy sweep or heavy sweep > light sweep

[fleet zealot]

But i can def see it taking first for bruisers

[drowsy steppe]

mk2 has the same principle in its clear combo

just different directions

repeatable btw

[vague depot]

Choosing between mk10 push attack stab or mk2 uppercut heavy

[obsidian prairie]

Mk2 also has really easy horde openers

[fleet zealot]

How is l1 l2 not easy opener

Then you are at h3

[obsidian prairie]

I like heavies more

[fleet zealot]

You can either l2 or h4 back

[misty ravine]

I just found Mk2 easier in general, being able to pick specials with a couple of fast light strikedowns or open on a horde with either heavy or PA

[obsidian prairie]

Also it can chain from PA which is nice and safe

[fleet zealot]

True

I do prefer sweeping PAs

Vs stab PAs

[misty ravine]

Plus having a slower loop for hordes helps with the heat management. All else being equal you'll stay activated longer with a slower loop

[fleet zealot]

But it works for relic10, great anti rager tool

[obsidian prairie]

They both fucking demolish ragers

It isn’t even funny

[fleet zealot]

I mean

They outrange them

But deadzoning reliably in the middle of action is a bitch

Having a stab PA to the face right out of blocking activation just feels smooth

[obsidian prairie]

Luckily charged heavies just stagger them

[drowsy steppe]

mk10 single target
sprint cancel joust
PA (poke) > H2 > L3 >

mk 10 horde clear
Push (dont push attack) > chains into H2 > H3 (repeating)

I found both marks is just the movesets being inverted

though dont know the difference in damage between the mk 10's pokes and the mk2's uppercut/overhead

kinda cool

[misty ravine]

Pretty sure poke does more, don't quote me on that though

[drowsy steppe]

I like to joust for single target opener

[misty ravine]

Don't they both have that

[drowsy steppe]

ye

mk10's PA is a poke, mk2 you wanna push (dont push attack) chain into light for a single target opener

well just 1 option on how you wanna do it on mk2

[misty ravine]

Either way I just like the Mk2's L1 L2. Fast, good damage for what they are, surprisingly good cleave (if in a narrow arc) easy headshots, and they just happen with no setup at all

[drowsy steppe]

L1 > H3 or L2 > H4 is also an option and the movesets loop

H4 also loops back into an H3

[visual stream]

Punisher can't get swallowed, neither on his turret nor in his ult

[frosty herald]

Good.

[royal vortex]

i have literally no idea what im looking at and that makes me happy

[gentle crag]

what's the perks and blessings for the relic blade

[copper hawk]

[hazy panther]

marvel rivals

new unbalanced af game ever

as a dps you can get melted in under one second, i find the game weird

[twin wagon]

it's not that bad

[hazy panther]

so electro hammer boss oneshot is not the highest single target weapon anymore?

it seems i am old again

seems like im starting to feel what comming into the closer to 30 than 20 is and im just three days away from that

someone electro hammer oneshot me before it happens please

[potent gate]

They're for completely different purposes. Hammer will still do more ST

Relic blade just has a lot of everything going for it

[hazy panther]

rb is fun

do you know what is more fun

oneshotting a fully armored reaper

[lean fern]

both the longswords are just goat rn

[hazy panther]

apparently the psyker one is kinda cringe

[lean fern]

good combos, damage, and longer reach

[hazy panther]

i find the combo meh

for zealot its much better as its very horizontal

psyker is very /

cant aim that shit

[misty ravine]

I'd actually wonder about DS4 vs Thunder Hammer DPS against just a big sack of infinite HP, rather than something that can be one-shot

[lean fern]

[hazy panther]

?:?

yea

[lean fern]

i feel the opposite way

[hazy panther]

someone needs to test the dmg on a infinite hp donkey

[potent gate]

I think thunder hammer would shit on it personally.

Thunder hammer on a nurgle crit weakspot does what? 30-60k damage or something obscene?

The delay also isn't so bad anymore after the changes

[hazy panther]

ye but nurgle weakspot does how much bonus dmg

[potent gate]

That's a good q that I have no answer to

[hazy panther]

its like x times more than a headshot

[potent gate]

Nurgle also has a weakspot on its mouth

For some reason, I didn't know that

[hazy panther]

i never seen the build ingame

cringe players dont wanna meet me

only a ogryn guy with the ratata came and hugged a daemonhost to death

that was fun

it took him about 4 seconds

was among my first games too a guy in vc just comes and yu wanna see smt fun

ratatatatattata

daemonhost dead

and previous game i got shredded by him and couldnt do anything my jaw dropped bad

[vale narwhal]

which relic blade mark are we preferring atm?

[potent gate]

Preference on the player tbh

I prefer the MK2 tho

[vale narwhal]

what makes that difference for you?

I've been running X while I get used to it, havent played with 2

[drowsy steppe]

play around with both and see whats best for you
main difference is which moveset that you prefer to get quicker access to on your heavies

mk2 gives you H1 and H2 horde clear sweeps
mk10 gives you H1 and H2 single target overheads

[potent gate]

I'd have to use the X again to remember why I don't like it. The II's PA and combos just flow better for me

[drowsy steppe]

and both weapons are combo weapons so go to the psykhanium and experiment with the moveset chains

[vale narwhal]

I do tend to prefer a single target heavy

[drowsy steppe]

its the one of the most versatile and strong zealot weapon rn

[vale narwhal]

I dont mind wading into hoards when I'm able if I can go really heavy on the big bois

especially in pub where I can't always trust people to be able to lay down big mobs.

[potent gate]

That's something to test again when I get back

[copper hawk]

a

[twin wagon]

b

[mighty mesa]

c

[copper hawk]

https://youtu.be/4pWCSKpWE8Y?si=_wjyH01HGvnw9q4F @rocky nacelle @frosty herald

[twin wagon]

[scenic bough]

Hi All, im new after the update and Im a little overwhelmed. How Do I geht better weapons and if I want a specific one, is there a good way?

[mighty mesa]

god i wish the mk5ds had a stab

[frosty herald]

Deadbeat

[frosty herald]

Buy from brunts until you get good stats

Empower the weapon to 500

If you dont have mastery sacrifice green weapons until 20

Then you can freely change perks and blessings

[scenic bough]

Ok, so just luck at the start?

[twin wagon]

If you mean the armory's old patch:

• Get weapon with desired base stats (emperor gift/brunt/requisitoriun/melk, usually brunt)
• Consecrate them to yellow
• Empower them to max
• Use them or sacrifice weapons with stats you don't want to level mastery (mastery allows to empower and/or add x blessings)
• Repeat

Tips:

• Sacrificing the same weapon to itself gives more mastery
• You ussually dump:
  Mobility
  Defense
  Warp resistance
  Collateral (ussually on Ogryn weapons)
  Stability (exclusive to helbores), but it's best to ask

[scenic bough]

Thanks! I try

[twin wagon]

[remote lark]

th wins single target dps

ds wins anything revolving around horde clear dps

[frosty herald]

Relic blade wins in terms of hordeclear

[copper hawk]

EVERY NIGHT !!!!!!!

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/boshka-baki-gif-17020917195779675007

[remote lark]

yapato

they asked between 2 specific weapons

buffoon!

[twin wagon]

bark is wrong, depends on how incompetent the user is

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-stalker-clear-sky-clear-sky-monolith-monolith-exo-gif-13594799489985857333

[tame mirage]

did you see the hippo cat

[frosty herald]

Yessssss

https://tenor.com/view/kittydrivingcar-car-cat-eoickity-epickitty-gif-22189788

[tame mirage]

its so awesome

[frosty herald]

Your awesome

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-approve-okay-ok-dragon-ball-z-gif-15533511

[polar nexus]

No you

[glad verge]

Any suggestions on ranged weapons for havoc 40?

Ive been using pretty much exclusivly the stub revolver for a while didnt know what other viable options their were

[drowsy steppe]

flamer

[undone pewter]

Bolter pretty good

[lean lark]

Flamer, laspistol, lasgun, bolter, boltpistol

[undone pewter]

Though ammo hungry

[frosty herald]

On pus hardened only flamer or infernus lasguns

[polar nexus]

shatter puncture bolter works

[radiant raptor]

how does inexorable judgement do with relic blade

[glad verge]

What sort of flamer?

perks / mark wise

[drowsy steppe]

good

[open falcon]

Doing the loner backstab penance and I keep getting full zealot teams…

[frosty herald]

Que up sedition

You should only get a full team after 5 minutes

[grave cypress]

Level 36 im the glue that holds this team together

this is after me literally saying "Your teammate is currently dogged behind you"

cant take ANY of the softest of critique if you can call it that

[misty nova]

"Oh wow this Dark Communion havoc 40 is going crazy"
The silly ambush section:

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-rage-argenis-gif-25499351

That chaos Spawn got hands

[frosty herald]

Lvl 36 gold mask

Like bro pipe down

[hearty nebula]

darktide pubs dont have skill issues

they have skull issues

[ornate bone]

Need 3 stun grenade zealots for shocking stuff penance

[lean lark]

It's peak

[stone fern]

im pretty sure only your stuns count not other people's

[silver thorn]

How the hell are people past level 30 I’ve only just started the new update

[ornate bone]

No other zealot stuns count

[undone pewter]

Havoc rank not player level

[silver thorn]

Ah that makes sense

[ornate bone]

Need 3 stun grenade zealots for shocking stuff penance

[misty nova]

Ir would've been even better if I had a proper build

This crit book is not for me

I also need to build a lasgun vet

Plasma isn't cutting it

Other than staggering PHS enemies

Need something faster to detonate PHS flamers

[valid burrow]

Why do zealot three feels smaller, yet more point demanding than vet tree?

[drowsy steppe]

because the good ones has 1 node to tax it

twbs? dance of death upon ye (tbf dance of death is good)

second wind? travel node upon ye

you want survivability? thats 2 nodes out of your pocket there silly reject

[hearty nebula]

basically

we just have a shitton of tax points we have to spend

like we have some really fucking good talents

but our layout is just complete ass

[misty nova]

You zigged when you should've gone straight down
Except you need to zig zag to get the good stuff

[hearty nebula]

yeah, basically

you wouldn't be seeing people take tknives nearly as often if that wasn't the case, despite how good of a blitz they are after you get over the initial learning curve

[pastel harbor]

If i could map out my own buttons I'd use throwing knives, but none of the presets really feel good

[river jackal]

What I wouldn't give for tknife tree talents and immolation grenade

[hearty nebula]

wait

you can't set custom input options on controller?

[hybrid jewel]

You get a choice of 1 of 5 presets. And all suck.

The best one gives you dodge on left bumper.

But then you basically can't tag.

[hearty nebula]

that's

actually fucking abysmal

[hybrid jewel]

Otherwise, enjoy jumping to the side/back trying to dodge.

Then dying because jumps aren't counted as dodge.

Just for info, it makes it so that Dpad up is tag and blitz is Dpad down.

Good luck using knives with that.

Since you can't just pull it out and then aim normally.

[lean lark]

What build do you want? I can give you mine

Don't have one for ogryn tho because I don't play ogryn

[hybrid jewel]

The best chance of using it is you are getting melee'd by ragers and just unloading knives into them panicking.

Since you can just push bumper to dodge backwards.

Or it's a BoN and it's chasing someone who is basically on the opposite end and there's nothing else but that BoN.

So you get free shots into the back.

Funny thing is, I play on Steam. I just use a turbo controller to help with RSI since too lazy to mod, lul.

Going one game as Zealot without it makes my hand feel numb after.

And no, you can't use those types of controllers on an official Xbox, so yeah.

It's just set to half trigger pull, spam lights, if pull all the way, hold.

[sharp oyster]

well that was a sweet week

dunno what to do now

[stone fern]

https://tenor.com/view/cartman-now-we-can-finally-play-the-game-gif-26486523

also me when i finished the penances the first time

[sharp oyster]

I did all the penances already

while playing havoc

which is dumb

I only need to kill a couple of hundred ogryns more and there

[stone fern]

the reaper one is not fucking doable

10 spawn per mission and i have to kill 1500 of them

jesus

[potent gate]

Fatshark heard the phrase "Here for a good time, not a long time" and gave it an Uno reverse

[stone fern]

i have ~2k hours on in the game

reverting the crafting bs didnt make me drop it penance bs progression tiers didnt make me play it more

[potent gate]

I think I'm almost at 200

[north sedge]

Ignore penances/achievements, attain nirvana

[stone fern]

the only things i care about were shit like undodgable ragers and invisible shield bulwarks and the crafting

its one of the best fps shooters ever made but everything that isnt the game sucks

ie menus, mourningstar, penances, party finder, cosmetics

[sharp oyster]

Yeah Reapers are the lowest in spawn rate

[fast scroll]

So what do you guys think about the relic sword?

[stone fern]

its really good

[fleet zealot]

fewwet

[fleet zealot]

also i believe the lowest on the variant horde spawnlist as well

[sharp oyster]

How much do I have

[fleet zealot]

tho the ogryn horde is prob the scariest variant in the game for an unprepared team, i've only seen it 2-3 times

[fast scroll]

I like it not sure what to pair with it yet

[rugged rock]

God Emperor, bless me with your light as I might deign to shine forth as a beacon of your purity

[rugged rock]

Pair it with something with a fast switch for pulling out to doink elites, such as a revolver or bolt pistol

[pastel harbor]

I love running beacon. All my zealot builds have it

[stone fern]

nothing

[drowsy steppe]

pair it with flamer and only rely on throwing knives as your ranged

[rugged rock]

As much as I want to do that it’s almost impossible to carry with no sustained ranged weapon

Your team has to actually be decent

[fleet zealot]

don't even use throwing knives cause you are going into high havoc so you have immo nades+flamer

[drowsy steppe]

ooh I have a build for that

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db9a1d8-bcd9-472e-bb13-4cb2ad5ad7e2/havoc-chorus-relic-sword-if-your-team-isnt-killing-distant-gunners-and-specials-they-suck

[pastel harbor]

On zealot I've been running heavy laspistol with ghost 4 and hip firing at head level dodging around corners

[drowsy steppe]

tbh change the unarmored to unyielding instead

[pastel harbor]

Ranged damage immunity for a second helps out nicely

[rugged rock]

Why laspistol over bolt pistol/revo? not knocking your style it’s a legit question

[pastel harbor]

Higher movement speed than both, and easily tap fired. I have a strong melee weapon for strong enemies, so I use the pistol for ghost 4 and one tapping snipers

[fleet zealot]

ghost

[pastel harbor]

Decent ammo efficiency too

[fleet zealot]

infernus is good for pox hardened

good ammo

[rugged rock]

What does ghost do again? Causes ranged enemies to ignore you or something?

[fleet zealot]

good DPS when chaining heads since BP focused weapons are typically worse

[fleet zealot]

liek psyker empathetic evasion

shit just misses you

but on weakspot hit

[pastel harbor]

Gives immunity to ranged damage for a second on weakspot hit

[drowsy steppe]

hordeclear recon las..

[pastel harbor]

Another good choice. And same sprint speed as bolt pistol

[rugged rock]

I use the revo just because I love whipping it out, blasting a sniper, then getting back into swinging after only having to spend a quarter second reloading the single bullet

[pastel harbor]

I do enjoy the revolver, I just don't like the ammo pool size

I'll run it occasionally if we have survivalist veteran with us, but usually I prefer to avoid using ammo when playing zealot

[fast scroll]

Did they nerf thy wrath be swift?

[astral hound]

the pins say something the relic blade sprint stab + fotf oneshotting crushers but it only does about 3000 damage charged...

[polar nexus]

Have a friend like me using focus target for your knives

[astral hound]

Chances are with duelist or any other major buff up it'll oneshot but this is kinda sucky

I guess backstabber does the trick in a pinch

[polar nexus]

Nope, why?

[fast scroll]

It feels different

Might just be me

[astral hound]

They removed gunner hitstun so they did technically nerf twbs

[polar nexus]

They made it less essential

[fast scroll]

Yippee?

[polar nexus]

I still use it tbh

[drowsy steppe]

yea requires duelist active for the 1 shot

you can push the damage for the 1 shot with max IJ stacks + 1 stack of energy leakage

[astral hound]

I have no idea what ij is

It looks i can do the oneshot just barely unbuffed with a backstab though

[drowsy steppe]

inexorable judgement keystone

[astral hound]

3001 + 20%

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1317357887357718569/Crusher_1_shot_energy_leakage__IJ_stacks__10_elite_and_25_flak.mp4?ex=67605ee3&is=675f0d63&hm=ed88c2ea31c55dfbf85f3b9cd95f3327876199ae6fbe120ea0a30ce5e37f1a6a&

[polar nexus]

The first run I tried to do without twbs on my zealot I got shredded while trying to dive

[astral hound]

It seems like an unlikely situation to have 15 momentum and high heat and no other buffs

I guess i'll have to deal, not like i can't just hit the bloody thing a second time

[drowsy steppe]

the stacks required might be lower with more stacks of energy leakage active

[normal wren]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dbd4969-42e9-4079-86fe-cfffbfc36c36

[drowsy steppe]

but yes duelist is the easiest way to achieve the breakpoint

[normal wren]

This look okay for a knife build?

[fast scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuya-tekken-kazuya-mishima-love-heart-sugarcoat-gif-314380675521116996

[drowsy steppe]

I would just remove either of those 2 and get duelist active

[normal wren]

Alright

Its a shame I gotta run the loner memes but eh

[haughty haven]

I'm no pro zealot but I feel as tho you'll get alot more value out of the left ult for knife

Crit chance bonus and swing speed help spool up piety

[grizzled aspen]

Shroudfield is bad.

Fotf has far more dps uptime than it by a long shot.

The only reason you take shroud is for the funny haha thammer boss 1taps.

[normal wren]

Fair, just trying something different

[hushed knoll]

Hi Keet

[haughty haven]

Shroud just kinda goes against the whole knife play. You want to be constantly attacking things, making them bleed, critting, etc to keep sustainment up. Knife fotf is basically the smite of zealot with a injection of methamphetamine

[river jackal]

Or you like making sure enemies focus your teammates 💀

[normal wren]

Honestly playing some stealth veteran made me appreciate how nice it is to do objectives with it

[normal wren]

Basically peak london

[drowsy steppe]

objective stealth zealot you forego the damage buff for higher stealth duration

fatshark just make it the same duration as the vet stealth without getting taxed omfg

[fast scroll]

Does relic blade have good crit?

[drowsy steppe]

no

[fast scroll]

snack

[fleet zealot]

it has, above average finesse ratios

and that's it

so you can go crit and be fine, better than evi going crit

[drowsy steppe]

need more finesse weapons 😔

[fleet zealot]

but it's more so just abusing IoD

and stalwart

[drowsy steppe]

fs pls make timed block gameplay more 😔

underutilized and with zero push for more of it

[fast scroll]

Is this a bad time to say I don't know what finesse is?

[fleet zealot]

the ratios on the weapon dictating how much bonus they get from weakspot hitting and critically striking

on the weapon modifier score, it also gives attack speed

[haughty haven]

This is what I personally run for knoife and basically a toddler could survive with it. No 2nd wind and no twbs but it really doesn't need em. The swift certainty is a choice and definitely can be dropped for the extra 2 nodes for piety

[lean lark]

Playerbase skill is at its lowest point

there'd be like 100 people using the timed block

[fleet zealot]

idk why they nerf/fixed perfect timing on smaul and DOA'd the perfect blocks on relic blade

[fast scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/no-brain-loading-slow-gif-8465847256202919615

[normal wren]

There are some choices made there

Any reason for not knives?

[fleet zealot]

okay for example, knife has Critical and Weakspot Power: [2.19 - 3.06], this is the "finesse" stat scaling

at 100% finesse (cause fuck fatshark stopping as at 80%) a crit or weakspot would do 306% more damage

[fast scroll]

I still don't know why they did that

[fleet zealot]

this also scales off duelist, weapons with high finesse benefit more from finesse bonuses, since the calculation for those is % of the bonus damage added, not the entire hit

so weapons like chain axe get little benefit from duelist, while knife with precog+duelist gets a ton of value

[haughty haven]

I run heavy las

[normal wren]

Ah

[haughty haven]

And I'm just not good with knives lol. Wanted to try immolation out

[fleet zealot]

relic blade is above average, like crusher, it has 1.7 finesse ratio on it's single target swings, so it's not wasted to go crit, but it isn't always the best choice for pure juicing of the blade

[normal wren]

Im good with them when I remember I have them

[haughty haven]

Yeah that's the other issue

Ill go like the entire game forgetting they exist lol

[spare dome]

while you were studying finesse values ... i was juicing the blade

[fast scroll]

So basically it's the multiplier for weak spot and crit damage?

[spare dome]

yea

[hushed knoll]

Hello exploits

Your arrival was foretold

[spare dome]

foretoldeth by whomst

[drowsy steppe]

yes

[spare dome]

(thats my best attempt at gothic)

(its not even gothic)

[drowsy steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158856643866533929/1292152344879955978/Dclaw_crusher.mp4?ex=67619e26&is=67604ca6&hm=a7d22dbce8c82a25f77101ecc4e6aca98967dc7d8d183c07130cfd36e38b9575& a finesse weapon in action

[astral hound]

shroudfield has incredibly utility pubbing

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, if you want to fuck over your teammates.

[fast scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/terminal-montage-whomstdve-typing-of-the-dead-meme-gif-27421713

[astral hound]

The exact opposite if you use it well but ok sure

[grizzled aspen]

What a shame it is that 99% of zealout players don't use it well.

[fleet zealot]

and 100% rending

[hushed knoll]

The Others

[spare dome]

seriously though

most shroudfield zealots should be infil veterans

and most infil vets should be shroudfield zeals

its fucken weird

[hushed knoll]

Hello Faragu-Kassuto chan

[drowsy steppe]

most took the damage buff

not the stealth duration increase

[fast scroll]

why would I use devils claw when heavy evis and relic sword are so much cooler?

[drowsy steppe]

big damage woo

[astral hound]

99% of zealot players couldn't think their way out of a puddle

[haughty haven]

Weird clunky parry

[drowsy steppe]

I like proccing crit cdr

I like proccing crit cdr

I like proccing crit cdr

I like proccing crit cdr

I like proccing crit cdr

[fast scroll]

thats fair

[haughty haven]

And yeah it's a blender for proccing crits

[fast scroll]

I just like the look of heavy evis : (

[drowsy steppe]

thats fair

[haughty haven]

Heavy evis is dead

[fast scroll]

wait what killed it?

[umbral kindle]

Powercreep

[fleet zealot]

relic blade

[haughty haven]

No point to use it over relic for the most part

Movement speed? Maybe

Shredder thing

[fast scroll]

unless you do the crit cdr?

[fleet zealot]

relic blade is the same kind of generalist as evi except it has better horde clear, no rev locks, and no damage cap

and better finesse iirc

only thing evis has is better mobility

the single target relic combos hit like a truck

[fast scroll]

what guns should I use to proc emp bullet?

[drowsy steppe]

Id question why cuz no one builds around that, quickdraw revolver ig

[fast scroll]

I was thinking DB or bolt gun

[spare dome]

DB is best

cowboy revolver is ok

[grand tangle]

Emp bullet is the one that gives bonus melee dmg when empty? Try double barrel

[spare dome]

actual best is regular shotgun and only loading in the special shell

[haughty haven]

Cowboy revolver has weirdly high unyielding damage lol

[spare dome]

but thats fucking annoying

[haughty haven]

The agrepeenis

[drowsy steppe]

impact and atk speed bonus

because you can now pass dudes around more effectively and quicker with it

big value

[fast scroll]

How well does db do killing crushers and what not?

[spare dome]

it doesnt

[grand tangle]

I do think bonus impact is underrated in havoc

[drowsy steppe]

get bonus cleave on a weapon instead 😔

[fleet zealot]

you need cleave before impact

imo

[grand tangle]

Staggering buffed gunners is important

[grand tangle]

Tru but it's still underrated

[haughty haven]

If you're still talking knife knife unironically drops them pretty sufficiently

But i go uncanny and the bleed on crit one so I can't speak for typical knife recommendation

[fast scroll]

I prob being using relic or heavy evis as my melee just trying to sort out the gun

[normal wren]

Hows the crucis thammer now btw?

Heard they buffed it a bit

[fleet zealot]

activated H1 is an overhead now

and uhh, it can handle crushers

and it kinda just falls off in havoc

but otherwise it's good

[normal wren]

Yeah mostly done with havok

Do the heavies still bounce off carapace?

[fleet zealot]

all attacks bounce off carapace unless you have a blessing that ignores hit mass

[normal wren]

Could see that being an issue with.... scabragers

[fleet zealot]

it isn't

you have to try and grief yourself to hit their chest

they extend their head and arms forwards so much

[normal wren]

Oh the arms dont got cara

[fleet zealot]

it's just chest

[normal wren]

~~should be fine for me to use the ~~

[placid fiber]

That's one vicious tiger shark

[fleet zealot]

i love ferrets standing up they look so concerned

[placid fiber]

I see it

[fleet zealot]

it's flat ferret mondays you fucking faithful

[placid fiber]

Hey, why does that rug have eyes?

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[haughty haven]

The rager buff was so worried about amongst soykers but turned out to be such a fucking meme lol

[fleet zealot]

it's, a kinda nerf to DoTs on scab ragers but

they don't exactly have the HP pool crusher have

[placid fiber]

"Hey, try and play the minigame where you can't hit my better armored chest scrub"

[fleet zealot]

that make carapace+high HP so deadly

[rich remnant]

Boys is Wrath Better than Cranial Grounding on my Relic Sword?

[fleet zealot]

for high havoc with 21st and/or gas yes

[rich remnant]

Thank you I’ve been running CG and Rampage On my Piety and FoF build and I’ve been doing just fine but everywhere I look I see people running wrath so I was concerned

[fleet zealot]

yea melee trash get up to 3.4x hitmass or something in higher havocs, so adding on more hitmass increases like 21st or gas just makes wrath a godsend

with relic's high minimum damage

[gusty siren]

hi
which perks should I use for a Rashad combat axe for an IJ zealot?
thanks

[north sedge]

Flak maniac

[placid fiber]

How much do the 21st mobians get for hitmass as a base, do we know?

[gusty siren]

Flak? it doesn't hit any more breakpoint with this perk as far as I know

[fleet zealot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[placid fiber]

it helps it hit I think dreg bruiser breakpoints

[fleet zealot]

dreg bruisers, and when ramped+using your ability, scab ragers

unless you mean havoc

rashad kinda falls off in havoc

base hitmass for 21st=1.5

[placid fiber]

ah 1.5

It put me way at the bottom when I opened that lol

[gusty siren]

👍

[placid fiber]

had to scroll way up

[gusty siren]

and why maniac? why not use carapace or unyielding?

[fleet zealot]

because killing 4 dreg ragers in a swing is more useful than a heavy enemy we can spam heavies on safely anyways

since our heavies are high stagger and safe

[placid fiber]

huh 21st mobians are just groaners with more hp, a flak body, and more stagger resistance?

[fleet zealot]

you can go unarmored

[fleet zealot]

they have the hitmass of poxwalkers, speed of groaners, more hp, more stagger resistance, flak body yes

[nocturne harness]

+flak doesn't help with anything meaningful on relic blade

[placid fiber]

I meant to add the hitmass part too

[fleet zealot]

this isn't relic

[placid fiber]

I just spaced it x.x

[nocturne harness]

flak enemies are all easily controlled

[fleet zealot]

it's rashad

[nocturne harness]

oh

[fleet zealot]

but flak is still helpful for dreg bruiser when unpowered, as well as good for scab ragers

[nocturne harness]

you should be hitting the unarmored heads of dreg bruisers

and even if you don't, you'll stagger them so hard that they are rounding errors in combat

[fleet zealot]

dreg bruisers are flak helmet

[nocturne harness]

the dudes with clubs?

[fleet zealot]

and stagger is just worse than killing because of BM

[nocturne harness]

oh, dreg bruisers, not the scabs

[placid fiber]

scab bruisers are the guys with unarmored heads

[nocturne harness]

they are still rounding errors

[fleet zealot]

what does this even mean

you HAVE BM

[nocturne harness]

they are easy to control and kill

[fleet zealot]

breakpoints are important

[placid fiber]

scab bruisers be bald

[fleet zealot]

without BM your rashad is shit

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[gusty siren]

so basicaly Flak+something?

[fleet zealot]

you do not "control" with a rashad, you kill things

[nocturne harness]

correct, i was talking about the relic blade

[placid fiber]

Flak + Unarmored/Maniac/unyielding are probably the 3 better ones

[nocturne harness]

rashad just lops off heads

[sterile basalt]

Flak is only QoL (less headtaker & sustained assault stacks for Dreg bruiser 1HS)

[fast scroll]

what a lucky roll

[gusty siren]

oh
so anything except flak then?

[grizzled aspen]

Hadron will drop a point in pen and put it in mobility once you run a mission with it. :)

[sterile basalt]

I run maniac + elite

[fast scroll]

What?

[sterile basalt]

Elite gives u Dreg gunner 2HS at max headtaker + sustained assault stacks

[gusty siren]

for a zealot?

[sterile basalt]

Yea

Veteran build is a bit different

[grizzled aspen]

It's a recurring issue, weapons will roll "perfectly" like this, then once you run a mission, the stats will shift 1 or 2%.

Hadron keeps doing it with my fucking force swords and it's pissing me off.

[normal wren]

This is how you get stat total 381 weapons

[fleet zealot]

yea you could just get lucky and get positive rounding errors

GAMBLE HARDER

[fast scroll]

Ngl I have never had that happen to me

[fleet zealot]

GAMBLE GAMBLE GAMBLE

[normal wren]

Dont think the values actually change

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-gambling-gamble-gambler-gambling-addiction-gif-25801242

[normal wren]

Just game fs up rounding

floating points are hard

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah but it bothers me when theres rounding errors and it ruins the perfect 4x 80% and 1x 60%.

[gusty siren]

what range weapon could I use?
I'd like to try a Bolt Pistol or a Bolter? any recommendations?

[fast scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[gusty siren]

could be really cool actually

[normal wren]

Bolt pistol is faster but semiauto

[sterile basalt]

Both work

[normal wren]

Bolter is cumbersome, but full auto hipfire

Which lets you do some.... landscaping

[fast scroll]

Turns crowds into mist

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-elf-xmas-christmas-gif-4943863885034792005

[normal wren]

Landscaping

[grizzled aspen]

Me when Santa's elves: (I am literally the grinch)

[normal wren]

Green what is your problem

I say alone ramp

[sullen forge]

🤫

They are working

[placid fiber]

The average tanner follower...

[gusty siren]

any perk/blessing/gameplay tips for them?

[fleet zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHVYnDvb4kc

[normal wren]

Oh the irony of that one

[fleet zealot]

i'm so weak to the twin vtubers man

[rough galleon]

Magic Johnson

[grizzled aspen]

Boltgun wants shattering puncture cara uny, bolt pistol wants flak elites/maniac puncture and your choice of a second blessing.

[placid fiber]

Holy fuck that's a lot of plasteel for just doing 1 havoc run and then noping out lol

I'm still poor tho lol

[grizzled aspen]

Boltgun will drop a crusher in 4 headshots from any distance with that setup.

[normal wren]

And up close a mag will remove the problem

Spawn, nurgle, ogryn, john cena

The problem will be gone

[placid fiber]

Sweet, I've always wanted to murder john cena