zealot-class

[native sail]

neat

[stone fern]

chat i hate frogs.....

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah but you're terrible at explaining literally everything so... 🚬

[olive surge]

Question: Is it possible that horde enemies with the tentacle head modifier are immune or more resistant to stun from chorus?

[stone fern]

I hope you stub your toe. but not a light stub that doesnt hurt or a major one where your brain kicks in the pain relief endorphins, just a medium strength stub where you feel it for a solid minute

[grizzled aspen]

No, you are not standing close enough to them to stagger them.

Enemies have to be close enough to the chorus user for them to be staggered.

[olive surge]

Weird, just had it happen that these exact guys were able to hit me in melee while casting chorus

[grizzled aspen]

They definitely should not be able to hit you while you are holding chorus.

The only thing in the entire game that doesnt care about chorus are BoN.

[olive surge]

Was the first time that i saw this, maybe bugged

[grizzled aspen]

If you've got some clipping software or use steam replay, record it next time it happens.

Knowing fatshark, it could actually be a bug.

[olive surge]

Will do!

[lean lark]

they're more resistant yes

its also desync issues time to time

[olive surge]

Okay that could be it! Had some heavy lags throughout the match

[lean lark]

ive had times where i held out chorus, two pulses hit a mutie but he grabs me anyways through chorus then gets stunned by it

[olive surge]

I see, but muties can grab you anyway while charging into chorus can they not?

[stone fern]

only if they charge between pulses

[lean lark]

yeah muties more commonly interrupt chorus since they can grab you inbetween pulses

[stone fern]

if they get hit by a pulse they stop

[lean lark]

usually by just walking back when you hear a mutie it makes the odds of them charging at the perfect timing significantly less

[olive surge]

Alright thanks! I thought FS just introduced another hidden havoc modifier lol

[potent gate]

You should just dodge for safety too because you're going to end up proccing all your dodging debuffs which may help you when chorus ends

[grave cypress]

at long last

[frozen kernel]

Fuck yeah congrats

Few more of the new bestiary penances and I’m there

[clear mortar]

how much points u needed for that? 5k?

[twin wagon]

Far less

3.5k

[lone matrix]

i hope they shange the middle tree a bit

[vast basin]

halfway there lads

idk whose idea this penance was

but screw them

[lone matrix]

so long you don't explode teammates

[vast basin]

only smykers

[twin wagon]

It's a good penance

encourages people to be aware of how useful barrels are

now if only explosive barrels weren't dogshit

fire barrels are great tho

mobility barrel>piss barrel

[hushed knoll]

Piss Barrel

[hushed knoll]

Wtf is your name

[twin wagon]

It's yellow

and sucks

Piss Barrel

[twin wagon]

Should have seen it with the old pfp

[clear mortar]

old pfp is kinda tame

i cropped that porn carefuly

[frozen kernel]

Honestly I care so little about smykers compared to the wieners with the quell cancel macro

[clear mortar]

thanks

[subtle raptor]

a bright and joyous morning to you, pilgrims

[twin wagon]

Atleast we can report those

[subtle raptor]

another glorious day in the god-emperor’s service

[twin wagon]

There's already been bans over it, or so I've heard

[twin wagon]

What shouty said, we serve emprah, yes?

[frozen kernel]

Really? Their excuse every time is "it's a tech, it was back in VT2"

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

Within 30s.

[subtle raptor]

verily, slab

[grizzled aspen]

Seems fatshark devs are actually keeping their eyes on matches.

[frozen kernel]

Interesting, maybe I shouldnt have left

Just reported and went "Fuck you and your macro" before leaving the slot to be filled by some other poor fucker running QP

Wasn't really enjoying watching him play the game while I just swung at air

[clear mortar]

i don't play psykers at all, but i couldn't care less if they would have that kind of macros

[frozen kernel]

Because his infinite ammo staff machinegun just annihilates everything before I can get to it

[clear mortar]

whatever keeps your game interesting

[frozen kernel]

I absolutely care about that shit because it affects other people

[clear mortar]

lol?

ever seen Outcast Engineer in VT2?

[grizzled aspen]

Outcast engineer was fucking hilarious.

[frozen kernel]

Wow it's happening in real time

[clear mortar]

dude throws 1 bomb, shoots 1 bazooka charge and horde is gone

[frozen kernel]

Honestly wouldn't give a fuck if they were just running the mod that prevents them from shooting when at 100%, even though that's arguably just as bad

Because all it means is that I dont have to pick them up when they explode

But the quell cancel macro turns the surge staff into a crit machine gun

[clear mortar]

ok, i have a question

[frozen kernel]

That's not okay

[clear mortar]

if i start a mission on ~malice level

and just murder anyone far-far ahead of the team

[frozen kernel]

You should prolly be playing on a higher diff at that point

[clear mortar]

is it same type of "ruining the experience" or no?

yes i should and i do

[frozen kernel]

Yes

[clear mortar]

but still

[frozen kernel]

It's not the same thing though

One is using tools outside of the game

One is just playing like a shithead

[clear mortar]

the outcome is similar

[frozen kernel]

The latter is not a bannable offense

Irrelevant?

People can report for griefing, and Fartshart will do what they will with the information they have

[clear mortar]

would you care if i rob your house legally or illegally?

your house is still robbed

[frozen kernel]

But using a third party tool to do something unintented, which ALSO ruins the experience of other people

That's a double whammy

[clear mortar]

why

[frozen kernel]

You're comparing somebody using performance enhancing drugs to pouring dishsoap on the shower room floor

[clear mortar]

huh

ok, maybe

[frozen kernel]

One is objectively cheating

The other is trying to cause injury to your competition, which is also technically cheating

But you can hide behind some bullshit excuse

[clear mortar]

so it means you are absolutely ok if there is a dude who kills half of a map head of you?

[grizzled aspen]

There is only one way to really, really look at it, alright, and it's pretty simple.

Psykers use qq macros because theyre fucking dogshit and cant play.

[clear mortar]

(i am not justifing using macros, i am not touching psyker class at all)

[frozen kernel]

If you're hiding in malice, using cheats to kill everything so that people who genuinely have to play at that level cannot improve

You're a wiener

[clear mortar]

no, i meant

[frozen kernel]

If you're using cheats to kill shit at all

You're a wiener

It's a coop game

[grizzled aspen]

People that get banned for qq macros should be locked in sedition queues only with other people banned for the same reason.

[clear mortar]

if i kill everything on malice just because i usually do auric maelstroms

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway.

[frozen kernel]

Let them vulture eachothers' dozen and a half specialist kills across the whole mission

[clear mortar]

it's alright then?

[frozen kernel]

[frozen kernel]

You're asking me if I think griefing low level lobbies is allowed

No

Have a nice day

[grizzled aspen]

The argument you have of "well I can just go into malice and kill everything" doesn't hold up, because you obviously shouldn't be playing there if you are capable of turning the game off for everybody else.

[clear mortar]

but FS will never punish that and that's a legal action

[grizzled aspen]

Legal? Yes. Ethical? No.

How about we stay in our own lobbies and ban soykers that are too shit to play the game correctly?

Instead of, yknow, griefing low skill players?

[frozen kernel]

"our own lobbies" requires shitters to have friends

[grizzled aspen]

I'm referring to like, if you are capable of doing auric maels without issue, you should stay doing that.

[frozen kernel]

That type of behavior often does not cause people to gravitate towards them, so they become our problem

[grizzled aspen]

Not private matches.

[frozen kernel]

Yeah, definitely

[clear mortar]

i know, and i do precisely that (except the moments when i need to do some dumb penances, then i will have to ruin a pair of missions for newbies)

[grizzled aspen]

The issue with that argument is you twist a factual problem that can be solved just by banning the cheaters into an ethical problem of griefing noobs.

It should never have even been considered an option to grief noobs to avoid cheaters.

Cheaters should just be banned.

[frozen kernel]

It's also just...not a fair comparison

[grizzled aspen]

And you should relish being the one to report them.

Watching a soyker chain of fireballs get cut off because they get banned gives me a dopamine hit like you wouldn't believe.

[peak cipher]

what is the conversation

[proud kraken]

1 guy never connected and another left within 5 minutes

we did it tho

[frozen kernel]

If I'd known something was actually being done I'd have sat in that match to see how it played out after I reported him

I just woke up and I'm too tired to be watching a 30 minute cutscene lol

[grizzled aspen]

QQ macro psykers are shitlords and deserve to get banned, rat ogre is twisting the problem into "how is that any different from me running malice and playing the entire mission for other people?"

Anyway, I can confirm the report system does work.

[clear mortar]

also when i was a newbie myself, i was totaly not against people curb-stomping whole map for me, because i knew the true gameplay will only start when i get all my talents

[grizzled aspen]

Please report qq psykers so they all get banned.

[clear mortar]

i can't even identify them

i don't look at other dudes

[grizzled aspen]

Oh you definitely can.

You will know if you queue with one.

[clear mortar]

i am too busy carrying the clowns

hmm

[grizzled aspen]

Because you will get to touch literally nothing.

[peak cipher]

qq psykers are so confusing to me

[frozen kernel]

Folks should be learning from levels 1-30 even if they only learn one personal tip on any given mission

[peak cipher]

you're already on the busted class dude

[grizzled aspen]

Let me see if I cant find a clip of one person I found using it.

[peak cipher]

why the fuck do you also need a macro

[frozen kernel]

"Hey I need to use my gun for those guys (ragers)"

They shouldnt be ramming their face into a wall while you carry them for 30 levels

[proud kraken]

whats qq?

[clear mortar]

you know that it's just a delusion
i saw LOTS of lvl50+ dudes who play like 10yo children

[peak cipher]

literally pressing QQ to quickly swap from and to your weapon

[frozen kernel]

Notice how I italicized the word, "should"

[clear mortar]

yes

but they will never do that

never

[twin wagon]

SHOUTIES

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-point-went-over-your-head-the-point-gif-8730078

[twin wagon]

After about 250 games logged

I have finished my survey!

[clear mortar]

i got your point ffs

[frozen kernel]

Woo!

[clear mortar]

but it's not working

[frozen kernel]

There's a survey?

[twin wagon]

On quit rates

• Out of 432 zealots, 224 ragequit matches (or simply crashed), putting them at about 56% quit rate.
• Out of 136 vets, 60 quit, for about a 44% quit rate.
• Out of 233 psykers, 116 psykers quit, for an almost even 50%.
• Out of all 92 Ogryns I've found, 23 quit.

I'll be releasing the notepad I had to keep track

[frozen kernel]

Woah, vets are becoming endangered

[twin wagon]

Ye for some reason I expected more vets and felt I saw more on my games

[frozen kernel]

I remember around launch everyone wanted to play John Guardsman

[twin wagon]

I was expecting a lot more oggies too

[frozen kernel]

It was like every match was me (zealot), psyker, veteran, veteran

[twin wagon]

(These numbers are from patch 7 onward)

so it was since the downfall of veteran

[clear mortar]

because the best thing in this game is melee combat
guess what class is the best for melee combat?

[twin wagon]

Ogryn?

[clear mortar]

bruh

[subtle raptor]

I started out on veteran too, went to psyker pretty quickly though. Which in hindsight was a bad order to do things

[twin wagon]

Numbers are a bit scuffed, because a lot of the rquitters were replaced by a new guy I had to note

[grizzled aspen]

@clear mortar this guy is Defalt, the guy who made the minigame autosolver mods and whatnot, using the shirtless mod and a qq macro.

[twin wagon]

Interestingly most quitters were replaced by a competent zealot/psyker

[subtle raptor]

thank you for your hard work, pilgrim

[grizzled aspen]

Notice there is zero delay on his fireballs?

[frozen kernel]

I started zealot, then tried psyker (hated it), did a brief stint in veteran that I hated until 30 when I had a full build, and then finished Oggy last

[twin wagon]

I started Ogryn and have become a zealot now after trying to grind fire penance while it was bugged

[peak cipher]

is the shirtless mod bannable??

[frozen kernel]

Gazer changed psyker for me, and WS changed vet because I could just play it like zealot

[twin wagon]

It's not on nexus mods

[grizzled aspen]

Depends on how the plugin is set up, because if it crashes a lobby, it most definitely is.

[peak cipher]

ah

[grizzled aspen]

Also if it isn't on nexusmods, it is likely unsafe to run.

[peak cipher]

thank god i could never get the fucking thing to work then LMAO

[clear mortar]

i don't know how psyker staffs work, sorry

[grizzled aspen]

It didn't crash that lobby but that guy was 100% using a qq macro.

[subtle raptor]

Ogryn was last for me too, I just don’t like the big man :( (rock and slab shield is fun though)

[ornate bone]

Can anyone recommend me or help me make a Chorus talent build . I use boltgun and T hammer

[frozen kernel]

Did you really play contrarian in that entire discussion without even knowing what the fuck I was talking about

Jesus christ lmao

[grizzled aspen]

That's depressing.

[clear mortar]

I SAID BEFOREHAND THAT I DON'T PLAY PSYKER CLASS

[subtle raptor]

the argument clinic

[clear mortar]

AND I SAID IT TWICE

[grizzled aspen]

TLDR the qq macro we are referring to makes you

unable to explode
have maximum warp nexus uptime because your peril is constantly at 100
fire m1 firebolts inhumanly fast

[frozen kernel]

That's when ya shut up or just say "damn dawg what is that? oh wow that sounds pretty shit"

[grizzled aspen]

This gets really nasty with one of the talents psyker has that makes targets take more warp damage on m1 attacks.

[frozen kernel]

We're human, we created languages to communicate

We can all suffer together lol

[grizzled aspen]

And when you pair in the surge blessing on the EK staff, which has a critical bonus stat...

Even nastier.

[clear mortar]

ok, that sounds like a bit of cheating

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, that's exactly what we've been saying.

[frozen kernel]

"a bit"

[grizzled aspen]

Look at how quickly the fireballs come out.

That is an inhuman fire rate.

You physically cannot do that by hand.

[subtle raptor]

a wee bit

[grizzled aspen]

Anybody that says they can is a fucking liar because they will absolutely get carpal tunnel if they try that in practice.

[frozen kernel]

It absolutely sweeps rooms

It kills everything

[clear mortar]

because i still don't care about such things in PvE games
But i also understand that not everyone has my mentality about it

[peak cipher]

there's no way this argument lead for like 20 minutes to culminate to this

[frozen kernel]

Zelchat moment

[clear mortar]

😏 💅

[frozen kernel]

Where's meow

[clear mortar]

sounds good to me

[peak cipher]

pve games deserve to have good balance actually

[twin wagon]

Frog are we sure it's a macro and not a hardware input? I do have a mouse that spams the m1 input every 0.4ms (designed for absolver flashing)

[clear mortar]

now look at ogryn

[twin wagon]

If it's hardware it woudln't be against Fatsharks EULA

which is iffy to say the least

[peak cipher]

this doesn't change what i said in any way

[grizzled aspen]

You are animation locked to prevent spamming for a reason. QQ macros break animation locks to get around it so you can spam faster.

[grizzled aspen]

Even if my mouse was set to do m1 every .01s, I would still have a fixed fire rate because of animation locks.

[clear mortar]

i have more lvls on class i spit on

than on psyker

[subtle raptor]

zealot roleplay, no love for the psyker and the abhuman

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

u rn

It's all good dawg just move on, nobody remembers anyones schizo moments unless they happen twice

[frozen kernel]

Then we call you clad

❤️ if he reads the backlog

[clear mortar]

well, schizo banter is exactly why i am here

also i just wanted to point out that i didn't try to shield myself in that topic

[grizzled aspen]

I mean, nobody slung any names or got tilted.

We were just trying to explain that the macro in question is far more detrimental than you thought it was.

[clear mortar]

ye, i understand

btw

[clear mortar]

about that

[grizzled aspen]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

That shit is only acceptable for penances.

[clear mortar]

he has toughness regen speed bonus on all 3 curios

on ZEALOT

he is just dumb

and he is lvl1100 btw

[frozen kernel]

A wise man at work once said to me

[frozen kernel]

"There's operations for ugly...you can't fix stupid."

[clear mortar]

zealot with health + 2 wounds curios

[frozen kernel]

I also just assume anyone level 1000+ used the XP exploit a while back

Because to this day the worst player I've ever seen was a level ~1400 ogryn

I would've rather had a bot

[grizzled aspen]

Potential audio warning on this incoming clip, let me check it first.

[frozen kernel]

When I italicized the word "should" in that quote, it was to acknowledge that they very much do not learn from 1-30

[grizzled aspen]

Ok it's good.

Do you think I overreacted?

[frozen kernel]

Like when somebody says

"You probably should wear goggles when using power tools..."

You don't go get that person a video of some idiot losing their eye to a piece of shrapnel

They know those people exist

[clear mortar]

ye

i was just shocked

playing that much time

and still

wow

[frozen kernel]

STALKER 2 finally got the A-Life update huh?

[peak cipher]

overlevels are typically not that indicative of skill level

in my experience

[clear mortar]

based PA+FullHealth build fellow right here

[peak cipher]

some +400 players are absolute dogshit

[frozen kernel]

Level in any game =/= Skill

You can easily suck ass for 1000 hours

[clear mortar]

remember, your dick size = your health bar size in F76

[grizzled aspen]

My build isn't even complete, I just like running around with an mg42 and being a tank atm.

I will eventually be using the new raid PA with a gatling plasma.

[clear mortar]

i am PA melee berserker
using melee minigun

it spoiled me tbh

[subtle raptor]

exploit?

[clear mortar]

with vampiric effect on it you are basically immortal

[frozen kernel]

There was an exploit where if you put the bonus XP thing on your curio and failed a mission, it would count for a ludicrous amount of XP or something

Not sure on the specifics, wasn't playing when it was a thing

[subtle raptor]

interesting

TIL

[frozen kernel]

It's just another reason to be wary of high level players

[clear mortar]

did it count as finished mission?

[frozen kernel]

I trust the level 30 ogryn with snack cosmetics and a shield more than I trust the level 1200 psyker with pirate drip

[frozen kernel]

Probably

[clear mortar]

fuck

can't even rely on portraits and badges then

[frozen kernel]

Maelstrom missions count as a fuckload of XP even if you fail, so they're worth trying while 1-30

Like, regular ones

[remote lark]

me when you say you should grief your way to a higher level

[clear mortar]

SHUT UP FURRY PFP

[frozen kernel]

The regular maelstroms can be like malice level

If you cant do malice fog at level 14, u smell weird

[clear mortar]

imagine my pain not being able to jump on auric maels from lvl 1

[frozen kernel]

I like to think most people are scared away by the regular mael so the only people who go in are either levelling alts or ballsy enough to listen and learn

It's a coping mechanism

[clear mortar]

i didn't even notice regular mael button

[frozen kernel]

IN THE CENTER OF YOUR SCREEN, PILGRIM

[clear mortar]

my brain couldn't even imagine any kind of "hardmode" in easy section of missions

so ye

[frozen kernel]

That actually looks like oblivion

T5 JIIIV on the new map?

Nah, not with regular pubbies at this hour

oh wait that's not the new one

Still has a gameboy objective, no mas

[clear mortar]

i have the urge to change my pfp back to the previous sussy one

[subtle raptor]

yeah the regular maelstroms can be tough (a skill issue on my part though)

[frozen kernel]

I avoid maels with "specialists have a chance to become monstros"

[clear mortar]

skill issue

💅

[frozen kernel]

Because all it takes is one nose picking ogryn looking to top off the 14 rounds of stubber he shot

Going off on his own

To spawn a slew of nightmares

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-in-a-glass-house-homie-put-the-stone-down-dont-judge-snowfall-gif-15845263

[subtle raptor]

I did a malice mael when I was still leveling and I played with a cutthroat vet player who would repeat all of his lines

deeply amusing

[frozen kernel]

Like in voip?

Gamer

[subtle raptor]

yeah

[frozen kernel]

BASTION TWO TWENTY COMBAT STANCE

[subtle raptor]

he was talking under his breath the whole time so I wonder if he was up past his bed time

[frozen kernel]

inb4 considerate apartment neighbor/roommate

[subtle raptor]

probably but that would be less funny

but he was a good sport so I can’t dog on him too much

[frozen kernel]

I go from "SECOND FLOOR, NORTHEAST WINDOW" to "In basement, he's lit" because downstairs has a teething child who neither of us want to be awake in the AM lol

Their dog is a little cunt though

This is him

[subtle raptor]

total small dog death

[twin wagon]

Small dogs are an insult to canids

[frozen kernel]

Any dog under 40lbs has to pass a vibe check or get punted into space

Beagles get a pass because Shiloh was a dope book

(They're ungodly levels of loud for the uninitiated)

[clear mortar]

pfp is back

[subtle raptor]

SHILOOOH

made me cry as a kid

[frozen kernel]

Shiloh and Marley and Me

Two dog stories that didn't need to just sucker punch a generation of youths

[twin wagon]

Worst thing is

I think I remember the artist

Also grade A croping

[clear mortar]

Picturd

[subtle raptor]

I actually never read or watched Marley and Me

[twin wagon]

I miss remembered

Trauma

[clear mortar]

what was ur bet?

[twin wagon]

nexivian or elicitie

wait aren't you suposed to not be a furry?

[clear mortar]

because i don't like their community

[twin wagon]

There's like 300 splinter furry communities, knowing which is bad is like closing my eyes and hitting Melks

[clear mortar]

i meant their attitude and behavior in general

[twin wagon]

[clear mortar]

i don't like furrcons, furrsuits and find the sole idea of your "furrsona" cringe af

ye i can be potentially attracted to sentient anthropomorphic xeno races, but that's it

[tight fog]

Zealot chat

[clear mortar]

Zealot chat

[tight fog]

the videogame Darktide

[clear mortar]

the videogame Darktide

[frozen kernel]

"Oh god T5 JIIIV with randos" I said

"How bad could it be" I said

[subtle raptor]

the madlad actually did it

[frozen kernel]

The Ogryn:

[fleet zealot]

JIIIV

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/jeeves-indeed-stephen-fry-a-bit-of-fry-and-laurie-gif-5746372

I think it was his first mael

He was only like level 32

[twin wagon]

[atomic fjord]

Deathless havoc

[polar nexus]

Which lvl?

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/hypocrisy-meter-full-hypocrite-gif-9164321

[clear mortar]

0 hypocrisy

[limber trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clown-meme-clown-makeup-tiktok-meme-gif-5027002171813147364

[final mural]

Lmaooo

[frosty herald]

sure thing bud

ill believe you with such a weird name

[slate notch]

On duelling sword you'd go flak+unyielding or flak+carapace? (Or something else)

[grizzled aspen]

This one, commissar.

[clear mortar]

flak+carap

[grizzled aspen]

Also I do not believe that your pfp is not nsfw.

Oh it changed.

I still do not believe it is not nsfw.

[lunar fable]

[clear mortar]

i like nonsense names, don't bother applying logic to them

[final mural]

there is clear logic to a name like that

[clear mortar]

after 1 ridiculous incident i don't answer these questions

[final mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1317275105184714862/lv_0_20241213174021.gif

[clear mortar]

of course you find logic in it, you are a furry

[final mural]

no im not

[clear mortar]

i can smell it

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pibble-gangster-wrong-block-gif-9653288440634103559

[grizzled aspen]

Listen, I've seen many furry things against my will, I can sense when things are nsfw or not.

Your pfp is absolutely nsfw.

[clear mortar]

i will not try to argue with you, you are free to think anything you want

[frozen kernel]

This zealot has an absolute chad thammer

Im crying

[grizzled aspen]

Good, arguing with the frog is a terrible idea.

Because either you're wrong or you will look like a massive idiot for being baited into an argument with me.

[final mural]

https://tenor.com/view/give-skin-gif-11047319470343009842

[grizzled aspen]

I hope he explodes.

[final mural]

https://imgur.com/i1rXW3m

[sullen forge]

You say you aren’t a furry because you’re very adamant about not being one

I say I’m not one because I think being a blatant hypocrite is peak comedy we are not the same

[frozen glen]

youre too old to be making comments like this

[steep flame]

thats kinda real

[sullen forge]

Always will be real 🚬

[hushed knoll]

“The frog”

You mean a frog masquerading as an ice cream sundae

[grizzled aspen]

Do you even know how old I am?

[grizzled aspen]

You will forever be an idiot masquerading as a normal person.

[lunar fable]

He's 7

[grizzled aspen]

🚬

[hushed knoll]

Blab

[lunar fable]

[red violet]

chorus build, what curios to equip on havoc?

[hushed knoll]

Don’t smoke

[lunar fable]

I'm a smoker if you count secondhand smoke

[hushed knoll]

False

[hushed knoll]

Does someone in your family smoke

[lunar fable]

No

[frozen kernel]

He ragequit at some point

Lost all the teammates

[lunar fable]

I have kung fu training 3 times a week and my sifu smokes a lot

[hushed knoll]

Can you tell him not to

[frozen kernel]

[lunar fable]

[frozen kernel]

Pox took my fireteam

Cant have shit on Tertium

[frozen glen]

hopefully above 18

[frozen kernel]

Frog is a retired air force pilot

Flew in Nam

[misty ravine]

Laughing at poverty is not nice

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/source-tmb-trust-me-bro-cyber-frogs-gif-8802056273938160257

[grizzled aspen]

No???

[grizzled aspen]

I'll be 21 once the year rolls over.

[frozen kernel]

I was lying through my teeth

[grizzled aspen]

My birthday is Jan 1st.

[lunar fable]

Dang I'm older than frog

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/john-mulaney-mulaney-i-was-lying-it-was-a-lie-lying-gif-11900079

[lunar fable]

Only by one year but yea...

[grizzled aspen]

Old. 🫵

[frozen kernel]

Bunch of babies

[lunar fable]

Nuh uh

Everyone I play with in another game is in their late 20s to mid 30s

[frozen kernel]

I used to play games with folks in their 20's

[lunar fable]

My dad's 50 and he still games

[frozen kernel]

Now they're in their 30's

Nearly shit my pants when I realized a friend who I thought was ancient at 26 is now pushing 40

[limber trellis]

...huh

[frozen kernel]

I've known some people for a very long time

Met him when he was 26, now it's been 12 years

[hushed knoll]

Why do you shit your pants

Go to the bathroom

[frozen kernel]

I like gambling

[hushed knoll]

[misty ravine]

2015 was 26 years ago

[frozen kernel]

[hushed knoll]

[frozen kernel]

[neon field]

0 was 2024 years ago, time goes by so quickly

[frozen kernel]

Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes

[opal star]

pox hounds somehow overwhelming a whole ass ogryn

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-dog-im-fr-an-eater-qazira-dog-tongue-freaky-dog-tongue-gif-14576727459878736156

[subtle raptor]

it’s because they’re all named princess

and ogryns have the intellect of a toddler

match made in heaven

[arctic saffron]

isnt it canon that the ogryns recruitment criteria is being able to count to 5?

[cold patrol]

probably not, they wouldn't even have enough for a single squad otherwise 😛

[misty ravine]

Or 4, it doesn't matter

[frozen kernel]

I always picture the bonehead implant kicking in one day

ogryn just reaching up and squeezing its head

[distant lintel]

Is mobility the dump stat for the flamer?

[opal star]

y-
well

not really

[lean lark]

yes

[opal star]

with the flamer you can honestly go either way with mobility or damage since most of the flamer's actual damage comes from burn stacks

[rocky nacelle]

Mobility or damage if you dump damage there is a 2% difference

[opal star]

which, the damage stat doesn't affect

[grand tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-puppy-cute-dog-relaxed-gif-15746207

[distant lintel]

but damage is just the impact right, not the burn afterwards?

[opal star]

correct

[distant lintel]

This looks alright enough

[frozen kernel]

For now I sleep, but soon™

Wish the martyr skull penances were just a little jucier

Some of them are a PITA

Others are so easy you can do them while progressing and be like "if anyone doesnt have this here you go"

cough relay station cough cough

[undone pewter]

why is yours gold

WHY IS THE VET ONE PURPLE?

why is the 5500 psyker helmet purple

what is going on???

[lunar fable]

i don't even have the skulls

i only got like

2 maybe

[frosty herald]

noob

[lunar fable]

wtf

[grizzled aspen]

No it isnt.

[lean lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163846998638739497/1306898649371901952/togif-1.gif

[grizzled aspen]

Be mad lmao.

Any increase to dodge distance is going to be better than 1.something damage on your first target hit by the flames.

Maybe try not being wrong, 4head.

[heady rapids]

hey does anyone know if past 30 gives you any rewards

like ordos

[obtuse tangle]

whats the best blessings for the relic blade so far?

[hasty raft]

the ones that kill things deader

faster

[obtuse tangle]

been seeing heatsink and wrath to cranial grounding and rampage

[north sedge]

Cranial rampage, Cranial wrath if doing high havoc

[violet hornet]

#zealot-class message

[obtuse tangle]

thanks man

[modern lintel]

im going to rampage your cranial

[placid fiber]

I had 2 pretty opposing vet runs last night. In one I ended up mostly having my revolver out shooting elites... and the other I was mostly using my melee... the latter was more fun to me. :/

[idle sluice]

Anyone else experiencing a crash when activating the Relic Blade? I'm not sure what causes it as I will go multiple missions without issue but have had multiple instances since it was added where I will activate it and it will crash out me + 1-2 members of the team.

[modern lintel]

what platform

[idle sluice]

PC

[placid fiber]

There's a thing you can put in the launch settings on steam that helps

[modern lintel]

couldn't say for sure then

[idle sluice]

Only correlation I have noticed is there are two Zealots running relic blade

[hard nexus]

i’m gonna leak my energy

[placid fiber]

My game has crashed a lot less since I've done that

[modern lintel]

and just like that you used up your word limit for the day

[hard nexus]

frown

[modern lintel]

gooner brain

[idle sluice]

It's not a luamem issue. I have a mod tracking that. It seems to happen if two zealots activate at the same time. But not always.

[placid fiber]

"Lines of the average rando"...

[placid fiber]

idk if mine were either, but, after doing that the crashing happened a lot less. I can play sometimes 10 runs in a row with no disconnects or crashes

[idle sluice]

Yeah this is something with the relic blade. I don't have the issue with other classes. Or with Zealot w/o the relic blade. Been happening to me and a buddy. Always when activating the blade during a fight. (tho it works just fine 99% of the time)

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-knuckles-freaky-gif-12830799583270855342

[placid fiber]

The new couple: Meow and Yam. A match made in heaven hell

[frosty herald]

shes not into me

missing out ngl

[lunar fable]

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-saiyaman-gohan-gif-17959880

[placid fiber]

Aw man, I can't make a joke like "idk guys, but, when I was eating... my yams were meowing at me"

[lunar fable]

Online relationships

[placid fiber]

Thought I'd warm up on my Vet with a low int heresy run... lol even with poor aim I killed almost every fucking disabler

I missed so many fucking shots that run, tho... at least 50

[fallen prawn]

heresy teammates aren't exactly great at killing things

[placid fiber]

got hounded once, and was sure I was dead with how the team was... they got me before I was at half corruption at least lol

[placid fiber]

True... that and I hyperfocus disablers <.<

That's the 1 thing I'll say about the revolver... it's great at killing specials <.<

Otherwise the ammo is a bit low for me if I don't have the ammo aura

[fallen prawn]

revolver is absolutely fantastic at doing that, but plasma/bolter really starts shining in situations where you really need to shoot things

[placid fiber]

It's more I have poor aim x.x

like I said I missed at least 50 or so shots... against enemies at medium distance for most of those lol

[fallen prawn]

i am vermintide brained so i found a 6 shot 1 shot headshot gun ridiculous but this is a game where you have guns that can kill a swarm of elites

but quickly taking out specials with 1 headshot is always satisfying, plus its quick to pull out

[placid fiber]

This run, last night, reminded me why I like the ammo aura with the revolver... idk how I did such poor damage, but, I had the middle aura for easy pathing that run... and there were SO many fucking gunners... iirc this was normal int heresy

[fallen prawn]

middle aura is nice for the shout path but god it does nothing

[placid fiber]

Yeah in vt2 the handgun was goated

[placid fiber]

I've... had it get me to 2 shot crusher breakpoints with both power sword mks >.>

and I think the shovel lol

[fallen prawn]

revolver's pretty good at taking out crushers, their heads are huge so you just shoot them

[placid fiber]

Yeah, this was more for before I had the revolver

and we didn't have the heavy sword either x.x

[placid fiber]

tfw you get a body shot on a dreg rager that isn't a crit...

[fallen prawn]

survivalist just passively gets you ammo so you don't need to worry about wasting ammo on bodyshots

just never run out

[placid fiber]

This is the only reason I am more willing to run the other vet auras, tbh

[fallen prawn]

it does shine more on higher diffs
like i normally play with a vet friend while i run bolter zealot, i have to remember to magdump occasionally because of how much passive ammo you get

i go through a map without picking any ammo up and im full

[modern lintel]

it used to be even better if i recall was either more ammo or didnt have a timer one of the two

[placid fiber]

On even heresy it shines lol

[placid fiber]

didn't have a timer

[astral hound]

no timer

hound waves just insta maxed your ammo

[placid fiber]

This talent is also goated, but, you generally gotta either waste 2 to 3 points to get it or you have to take the movement speed aura...

it does give you a 10% melee damage node, tho, at least

[ornate bone]

Which mark of the Chainsword is better again? I forgot

[placid fiber]

the mk13g or w/e is the op one

[visual stream]

Move speed aura is fun anyway

[fallen prawn]

honestly dont thing either is bad

[modern lintel]

i mean its literally just weapon spec basically

[ornate bone]

Thanks

[fallen prawn]

mk13 is the what, overhead heavy one?

[placid fiber]

weapon spec, but, damage instead of ranged crit/melee attack speed yeah lol

[placid fiber]

not sure, but, I know you spam lights vs hordes

the mk4 is the one with cleaving heavies, tho, so probably

I'm kinda tempted to test the smoke nades out with the ms aura for a run or 2

I've never used the smoke nades

I've seen people use them effectively, tho, at least

[fallen prawn]

they do some work if your team isn't very good/you're on low difficulty/both
tanner is right about them unfortunately

[placid fiber]

So they're for carrying malice/heresy randos?

[fallen prawn]

you can throw them to make gunners not shoot you, but 90% of the time, spamming frag grenades will just be better

[placid fiber]

I'm more of a fan of the krak nades, overall, tbh... more so for monsters than crushers

[fallen prawn]

especially if there's big density

[placid fiber]

frag nades path to the ammo regen aura faster, tho

[fallen prawn]

frags are fantastic for making space and melting thick hordes
kraks are a bit invalidated if your team can handle monsters (which is true most of the time, tons of good anti monster options exist)

and you can handle crushers with your normal weapons

[placid fiber]

and vet ewew comes in handy every now and then with the ammo regen aura

[fallen prawn]

even if you're not using a duelling sword, knife is fine too, axe is ok etc

[placid fiber]

I'm so used to just meleeing hordes lol

[fallen prawn]

i mean

just press f

[placid fiber]

Sure, but, what if I need it for the elite group 10 feet forwards?

[fallen prawn]

both talents on that row are bad iirc

[fallen prawn]

they're already shooting you man

[placid fiber]

the other requires toughness to be broken

[fallen prawn]

i mean yeah sure

both talents do nothing, catch a breath maybe does a bit less nothingness

[placid fiber]

I've had that regen help a lot, on vet, tho. Sure it's disabled when enemies are within 8m, but, having regen while shooting gunners is nice lol

It's more of a quality of life, than something you rely on imo

[heady quail]

Any suggestions?

[modern lintel]

what weapon

[heady quail]

May I ask why I stumbled upon you discussing Veteran in #zealot-class?

[heady quail]

Crit weapon

[modern lintel]

what are you the police

[heady quail]

I am confused. Nice to meet you

[modern lintel]

then right side attack speed

[heady quail]

Oh I forgot to take the 10% attack speed

[gleaming furnace]

Which relic subnode do you have ?

[heady quail]

The good one

[lament blaze]

this is what i run but until death is almost certainly trolling

[gleaming furnace]

Ok good lol

[heady quail]

I have 2 spare points since I took 10% ASPD. What should I put on now

[lament blaze]

i mean i think you should always grab the 2 keystone nodes to the bottom right of piety

if youre already taking piety

[gleaming furnace]

Or the first left one. Underrated since it got buffed

[fallen prawn]

behold

the 1 zealot build

[heady quail]

Bruh I got 2 low damage roll weapons in a row

[modern lintel]

are you real

[lament blaze]

Twice in a row? Brother i buy like 30 weapons before I get the glorious 60 mobility roll.

Need more docket

[misty ravine]

Tooltip is wrong, quelle surprise

[lament blaze]

How does losing stacks of fury work?

That never seemed quite clear to me.

[heady quail]

I don't think it does work

What do ya'll put on your Flemtowers? Perks, Blessings, etc. Excuse me for asking, you don't have an Atheneum

[lament blaze]

From what i've experienced, it seems like getting just a kill before piety expires seems to refresh it.

Piety lasts way longer than I would have predicted from reading the talent

[misty ravine]

You don't even need the kill, an enemy just has to die within 25m

[lament blaze]

Fatshark's inability to communicate anything is starting to really get on my nerves lol

[misty ravine]

I mean, that part at least is stated plainly. At least the English one is, I've heard their issues are worse in other languages

[lament blaze]

Not the way piety refreshes

[heady quail]

My mod tells me it starts decaying after 8 seconds, so if you're constantly in combat you'll always have Piety active

[plush estuary]

piety refreshes from kills or if you take the modifier from crits. All stacks will be removed in 8 seconds if you dont do either

[lament blaze]

A straightforward reading of the ability would give the notion that. This would happen:

1: 25 enemies die within 25m of you
2: Piety starts
3: Lets say within 8 seconds, 24 enemies die within 25m
4: Piety ends

But I don't believe this occurs

[outer gulch]

as long as ur hacking at a horde piety will stay up

[heady quail]

It does not. The stacks decay over time when the 8 second duration end. Otherwise any kill will refresh the duration

[lament blaze]

Yeah. I'm lamenting the poor communication.

[misty ravine]

Once you hit 25, the duration refreshes if something else near you dies, but when it ends, the whole stack falls off. If you are below 25 they will fall off one by one

And yes that part is not listed

[lament blaze]

I feel like I don't even have the ability to theorycraft because I have no idea what abilities even do. It blows

[heady quail]

Uh why tf does the Assault Chainaxe not have Brutal Momentum?

[vague depot]

I think flak unyielding blaze away overpressure damage dump

[gray ice]

Bromentum should be on the least amount of weapons possible

and then hopefully removed in the next hotfix

[heady quail]

You want to set a record for how fast a weapon falls out of the meta?

[lean lark]

my very important pve game meta

also the rashad would get gutted which im fine with

[gleaming furnace]

Nerfherders want to ruin darktide the same way that idiot alexshit ruined helldivers

[gray ice]

It's just not good seeing weapons designed to be almost solely ST become some of the best horde clear in the game from one blessing

[sullen forge]

Smoking on that Deci Pack with my shovel doing nearly the same shit Caxe can do 🚬

[gray ice]

That's just lopsided as hell

[drowsy steppe]

more variety 🙂

[fleet zealot]

no, that's cause hd2 was already a balance nightmare and they didn't know how to adjust things properly

[heady quail]

Which Bromentum helps with since it enables weapons like axes and shovels

[fleet zealot]

doesn't mean a lot of shit doesn't need a nerf in DT

[gleaming furnace]

lol lmao even

[drowsy steppe]

uncanny needs to be removed nerfed

[fleet zealot]

HD2 has a hard armor system, you either damage or you don't. DT has a soft armor system, any melee weapon can eventually wear down a crusher

[fleet zealot]

nerfed to 5% per stack LOL

[gray ice]

It doesn't enable it, it lets them perform completely outside of their weapon category

[fleet zealot]

vet shovel can get 7.5%, maybe 10% per stack

[sullen forge]

Vet Shovels dont even have BM

[fleet zealot]

ogryn

[gray ice]

^

[sullen forge]

Just minorly increase their cleave values and fucking toss or completely rework BM and DB

dont think Deathblow is allowed to get away scott free

[fleet zealot]

remove BM, give all weapons that had it some more cleave, easy

[sullen forge]

Minorly

they should still be forced to perform better in their actual roles

[heady quail]

Which is good because Darktide very much does not favor single target weapons

[sullen forge]

Horde Clear guns?

[gray ice]

that's why we get 2, you can pair ST with horde guns

[sullen forge]

oh wait you're bad if you use those KEK

[gleaming furnace]

nerf everything into the ground
new thing comes out that’s better
cry about pOwEr CrEeP

[gray ice]

The answer is not to slap on a blessing that is so mandatory axe basically has one blessing slot

[heady quail]

But then you don't have anything to kill Specialists, and you run into an ammo problem

[fleet zealot]

ehh, i think all weapons should be able to manage hordes to some extent

[gray ice]

Which is why the cleave should get buffed if bromentum goes

[fleet zealot]

tho things like knives and dueling swords with single target variants should def be at the bottom

[gray ice]

What ST weapons struggles with specialists?

[fleet zealot]

what's ever been nerfed to the ground in DT and stayed that way lol

only one

shredder

[gray ice]

autopistol my beloved

[sullen forge]

Shredder dookie pistol

[gray ice]

How I miss when you could kill stuff

[gleaming furnace]

Cleavers which I maintain are utterly worthless

[heady quail]

ST weapons that can't reach Specialists

Which are the ST weapons that have Bromentum

[fleet zealot]

fatshark is literally shaking in their boots about nerfing anything lest it cause a review bomb by whiny babies

[fleet zealot]

cleavers got powercrept

[gleaming furnace]

Rumbler (although idk if it was ever good)

[fleet zealot]

basically every bad/mid weapon is just power crept

besides shredder, that's just the unwanted stepchild

[opaque island]

this is a healthy gamer developer relationship for sure and wont cause issues in the game down the line no sir :^)

[gleaming furnace]

nerf everything
new thing comes out
muh pOwEr CrEeP

[fleet zealot]

NOTHING HAS BEEN NERFED LOL

[drowsy steppe]

outside of melee range ST melee weapons is to be expected but they still able to reasonably hit things

you also have tknives, your ranged weapon for special snipes

bolt pistol my beloved

[sullen forge]

HHA (Now Vigilant Autoguns) are just weak cause of their lukewarm ADM's but insane Finesse allows them to be decent/good on Veteran

they just suck cause of bad maniac

thus

[gray ice]

I genuinely don't get what this means can you clarify

[sullen forge]

they're called shit

Doesn't stop me from using it and sweeping plasmoid users

[fleet zealot]

omg power sword doesn't have 7 empowered swings and survivalist doesn't give infinite ammo, tho they buffed both of those with compensation at the same time or shortly after

[gleaming furnace]

Incorrect. I cite as evidence of the most recent weapon nerfs the clubs, the big shovels, the plasma (which was unnerfed and they tried to play it off as a bug despite the nerf being clearly described in the previous patch notes)

[drowsy steppe]

relic and power sword is equally good rn

[fleet zealot]

the plasma bulwark thing was fixed xd

[drowsy steppe]

if pswords activation is changed to how relic works, it'll be a huge buff

[gleaming furnace]

“Fixed”

[fleet zealot]

big shovels only lost their quad crusher kill

which was zero effort

[fleet zealot]

yes

you can shoot through bulwark shields again

[sullen forge]

Look I hate how PS plays and thats a dream to me if that happened but yeah

[fleet zealot]

lol

[sullen forge]

it would be incredibly OP

[gray ice]

yea but that'd be kinda nuts

[sullen forge]

if that happened

[fleet zealot]

clubs are power crept

[gray ice]

psword is kinda balanced by the swing activation thing

[fleet zealot]

so like

what are you talking about even

go to vet chat or reddit if you want to live in the illusionary world of "OMG FATSHARK NERFS EVERYTHING"

omg they nerfed shovels!!

what was the nerf

(you can't instakill 4 crushers in one swing)

[gleaming furnace]

Easy to power creep clubs when their cleave and impact get cut in half overnight

[drowsy steppe]

dsword being as good as it is now cuz they used to be shit af

[fleet zealot]

oh yea launch duelist sword, launch evisc, launch chainaxe, launch non bullbutcher knives

launch headhunters, launch plasma

first iteration of crusher and paul

[gray ice]

launch everything

it'd be faster to list what didn't feel like ass back then

[fleet zealot]

just get pinning fire 4 on a bolter or shredder and you were set for life

[potent gate]

I want a zealot guide like the one ogryns and psykers have

why do we not have one

[gray ice]

dclaw used to be solely a crit juicer

[fleet zealot]

lots of work,

[potent gate]

I'll pay you $5

[gray ice]

lazy and mostly unnecessary, we just answer questions

[gleaming furnace]

Here’s your zealot guide bro

[fleet zealot]

zealot is prob the most versatile class able to use all the shared weapons and their class locked weapon, our talent tree is boring asf, there is a lot of things to test with our various buffs from talents, guide has to please a majority of people or else it will just be shamed and mocked

[potent gate]

That's fair

I just like having a reference point

[fleet zealot]

#zealot-class message here ya go

[gray ice]

I mean there's enough individual builds in pins and build thread that you could take it and just change some stuff around to your preference

[fleet zealot]

there is only like 6 real zealot builds before havoc came in, and 4 of them use throwing knives

[gray ice]

Our builds have been largely unchanged since p13 drop

[fleet zealot]

havoc just pushes everyone to chorus

[gray ice]

no tree reworks or anything

[potent gate]

I wonder if it's worth me running thy wrath be swift if I hardly take damage from melee - thus not getting interrupted (or if I am, not often at all) versus taking annoint in blood and purge the unclean. Think with the pox skin, annoint helps reach certain breakpoints?

[fleet zealot]

i'm praying zealot is the next tree rework

[fleet zealot]

twbs is only needed for chain weapons and thrust weapons

otherwise it's completely optional

but no, annoint won't really help with pox skin

you should just be meleeing pox enemies

[gray ice]

dots help with pox skin tho, immo nades or infernus las weapon

[fleet zealot]

^

return of the bleed

😔

[potent gate]

Disablers that get pox skin mainly, sometimes melee isn't an option

[gray ice]

the launch bleed players feel vindicated

[sand helm]

Guys can you give me your opinion about a Chorus + Piety + Relic + Zarona revolver build?

[gray ice]

all 3 of them that are still lurking here having not been openly mocked

[potent gate]

Run it all the time in havoc 40, is good

[gray ice]

nothing wrong with it

[fleet zealot]

tell your vet to get better dps

lol i would not run revolver

[drowsy steppe]

dont need zarona specifically but its a standard havoc zealot build

[fleet zealot]

flamer is just too good and enemies have too much hitmass

[potent gate]

Unfortunately when he begins sniffing glue mid game, you've got to make it work

[sand helm]

Oh,noice

[potent gate]

Find the relic blade's horde clear is pretty good and half the time you're holding f anyway

[drowsy steppe]

swap piety with IJ and we gucci

[sand helm]

I really like Zarona ❤️

[potent gate]

You should be letting psykers horde clear for you imo

[fleet zealot]

how many 1shot BPs do you lose in havoc 40 on revolver lol

[gray ice]

you spell marty weird funny man

[potent gate]

A lot but it doesn't matter to be honest

[heady quail]

Is there a way for me to know which weapons are crit weapons?

[fleet zealot]

yea it kinda does, if i wasnt' running flamer i run vraksiag

[fleet zealot]

finesse/crit bonus stat

[drowsy steppe]

I will never use martyrdom ever 😤

[potent gate]

Between knives and rounds from vet, you get enough out of it for it to be worth it

[fleet zealot]

not all finesse weapons are crit, but it's a good sign

[sand helm]

well with Relic now Zealot is a really good horde clearer

[fleet zealot]

throwing knives in havoc 40

[gray ice]

dclaw, knife, crusher, DS

[fleet zealot]

only oneshottable special/elite is an unhardened sniper

[drowsy steppe]

weapons that get access to Shred

[potent gate]

Like, I did not pick up ammo the ENTIRE mission until the finale when we had access

and look how much milege it got me

[gray ice]

You can inspect weapons to see actual crit numbers to see where the scalars really are

[drowsy steppe]

though without finesse bonus Shred is mostly for crit cdr procs

[fleet zealot]

nah

evisc isn't a crit weapon

it can go crit

[drowsy steppe]

yuh I said

[sand helm]

what blessings do you recommend for Relic?

[potent gate]

You're going to have to explain that one to me

Oh right

I'm being dumb

[gray ice]

cranial/rampage in general

[potent gate]

I thought you meant book

[fleet zealot]

pins, cranial rampage, swap one to wrath in 21st/gas missions

[drowsy steppe]

rampage and cranial or energy leakage

flak + elites

[sand helm]

Well,is my opinion.Is something wrong? :[

[drowsy steppe]

havoc you want rampage + wrath instead for horde cleaves

[potent gate]

Yeah relic can do v.well with hordes but your using book so often, you don't get much time to use it. You get one full heat charge and then you're back on the book

[drowsy steppe]

due to hitmass buffs on chaffs

[potent gate]

Not cranial wrath?

[drowsy steppe]

naah

[sullen forge]

The 3 actual "well of mind" Veteran players in there will bully you for even mentioning nerfs I will say that LMAO

we're waiting for VOC nerfs cause its needed

[drowsy steppe]

rampage is damage cleave and stagger buff

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[fleet zealot]

yea rampage's tooltip has been wrong for a long time

it's been giving strength

[sand helm]

Is Heatsink a bad blessing?

[potent gate]

I know that, it's just the pin

I follow the pin

[fleet zealot]

it only works at full effectiveness if you are in lockout, which you should be avoiding

it's alright

good enough for auric damn

but havoc nah

[gray ice]

Forsaking a heat management blessing isn't out of the question, but I wouldn't unless it was a specific setup

[potent gate]

Also what do people run with curios?

[sand helm]

Should I avoid reaching the heat limit?

[gray ice]

Yes you ideally avoid locking out

[potent gate]

Just deactivate before you hit it so you have maximum flexibility and can turn it on whenever

[drowsy steppe]

reaching it is fine

[gray ice]

otherwise there's windows where you can't activate when you might need it

it's not the end of the world if you do

[drowsy steppe]

this *3

[potent gate]

I see.

[drowsy steppe]

though you can swap stam regen for gunner resist instead if you struggle avoiding those

[potent gate]

o and this one

Is what I have been using

[fleet zealot]

in a dessert meta, do you agree banana pudding is top tier

[fleet zealot]

why one single of each efficiency

just go more stam regen

if you want more stam

[gray ice]

i just run hp/tough/gunner resist

[sand helm]

Guys,can someone explain me how does Havoc work?

[potent gate]

something about multiplication, something about never running out of stamina anyway

I was thinking of swapping to extra hp

[fleet zealot]

then go 5HP or some resistances lol

[potent gate]

ye

[lean lark]

havoc 1-10 malice 10-20 heresy 21+ damnation. do 2 auric maelstorms to be boosted to 16, then to rank up you do your personal assignment (instant) or do someone elses (your rank will then update in a week)

[fleet zealot]

the blog post

[lean lark]

very cookiecutter

[gray ice]

issa 1 auric maelstrom

for 16

[drowsy steppe]

my havoc pub experience in a nutshell

[sand helm]

good idea lmao

[fleet zealot]

crouching in the corner lol

some of these people have only played fps games before and it shows

[drowsy steppe]

go easy on him hes only level 75 🤭

[gray ice]

name is tknives
look inside
Immos

[lean lark]

scammed once again by fatshark

for doing stuff on launch

[rustic quest]

pressing and holding the left mouse button in youtube makes it play at 2x. Is this new? I know i'm losing touch but I didn't think it was that bad

[drowsy steppe]

issa brand name ya feel me

Im branching out

[lament blaze]

few years i believe

[thorn sable]

Meh crouching is free cover, I go crouch all the time in havoc

[visual stream]

It definitely takes the cake

:^)

[thorn sable]

Can’t be shot by the death goons if you’re too low to hit

And still melee ok

Just like crab penance for vet

[misty ravine]

I scream at such bad puns

[thorn sable]

Relic is a lot of fun, I am very into this weapon

Works ok in the 30s, not as good as ds but good enough

I like mk10’s combos, haven’t messed much with mk2

[gray ice]

youtube has so many shortcut buttons and functions you'd have to be clairvoyant to know em all

[stoic juniper]

oof dueling sword is getting so boring. How would yall old-timers build a thunder hammer + flamer build? not for havoc, just regular damnation and auric. Rather new to DT, not entirely sure what talents, blessings and perks etc are the most valuable, and gameslantern seems... divisive

[thorn sable]

For auric? Whatever is fine

[drowsy steppe]

FOTF thunder hammer with IJ

[visual stream]

I get it :^)

[gray ice]

you can run regular builds for both of em, thrust/slaughterer on hammer overpressure/blaze away on flamer. Use an IJ build and you're solid

[rustic quest]

yea, but it seems like it's invisible but that it's in front of you the whole time, aswell.

[drowsy steppe]

duelist, until death, holy rev, second wind, (node that adds 20% infested and unyielding damage) your most important nodes

[violet hornet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aae97b9-200f-4c8b-829a-27211f85fc86/bonk-13

[fleet zealot]

issue with DS is I don't trust randoms

i see too many randoms going revolver +DS in high havoc and eating dirt for it

[stoic juniper]

ait cheers, thanks for tips

[fleet zealot]

you can run it with a competent team, mostly a purge psyker

[thorn sable]

Pretty idiot proof weapon

Revolver is a meme sure

[drowsy steppe]

the pub DS zealot struggling to clear the horde because he didnt bring immo or flamer

[rustic quest]

yea, from what i've seen, as long as the team coordinates their roles it goes well.

[lament blaze]

what would you rather see a random take?

[fleet zealot]

a weapon that won't get you wrecked from the hyper dense 21st and bruisers in general

[lament blaze]

such as?

[thorn sable]

As long as you have a couple people covering horde clear it’s nbd

[fleet zealot]

relic blade is actually a perfect release

[rustic quest]

rando auric mealstroms have been real rough as of late.

[fleet zealot]

that's what i said lol

[thorn sable]

I did a 40 ts with ds/knife/bolter and it was fine

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-indeed-quite-correct-i-agree-yes-opinion-gif-25234310

[thorn sable]

FGS too, haven’t tried ogryn gun yet

[fleet zealot]

ogryn gun is pretty good

the 20 round is actually kinda crazy

[thorn sable]

Feel like they’re good in a niche but not OP

And both swords have fun combos

[lunar fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/781654781043146803/926958723090501692/speed-6-1-1.gif

[fleet zealot]

i'd rather have vet randoms with power sword, zealots with relic, psykers with fgs

or like

any weapon that doesn't have a damage cap and can get some cleave/strength on it

i'm just sick of picking up floor nerds i got my penance down for that, ds4 going down to the first horde/bruiser pack

[thorn sable]

If u have purgatus and flamer and u feed flamer ammo the melee isn’t a big deal

[fleet zealot]

I ALREADY SAID THAT

lol

[thorn sable]

Ok then what is complaint 🤷‍♀️

[fleet zealot]

but i'm talking about playing with randoms lol

[thorn sable]

I did all my havoc with randoms

[fleet zealot]

glad u get the ones with the well rounded competent players 🫡

[rustic quest]

I got all my STD's from randoms

[thorn sable]

I didn’t, I just made sure people stayed alive

[fleet zealot]

🙄

[thorn sable]

🤷‍♀️

[fleet zealot]

what does that even mean

lol

[thorn sable]

Means help people get to right spot, cover them off when they’re in trouble and don’t race for dmg

[fleet zealot]

but i already do that

that's completely unrelated

[thorn sable]

Ok

[fleet zealot]

god damn a faithful can't vent about teammates

[potent gate]

I just don't see what would be better to take tbh

[fleet zealot]

without a "well uhh, in my team comps we had a flamer and purge staff covering my duelist sword so it was fine, you just need to help your team more"

[thorn sable]

Depends on what you want gun to do ig

[potent gate]

Kill disablers and specials

[fleet zealot]

flamer, Vraks IAG

[gleaming furnace]

I’m partial to the recon but idk how viable it is in high havocs

[fleet zealot]

it's much better on vet

[thorn sable]

Revolver is just very ammo hungry for what you get

[lean lark]

ammo wise, mk10/mk2 laspistol

[gleaming furnace]

Yea naturally