zealot-class

[stone fern]

reminder that dorn said rashad will get nerfed

it got a buff instead

[remote lark]

kek

[grizzled aspen]

Well, Dorn is stupid.

So.

[drowsy steppe]

again he just larps as a playtester lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Backend knowledge of game mechanics is great and all but you physically cannot predict what the devs will do.

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/worm-gif-3544848

[remote lark]

things i've learned today:

mal can't read

mal is an ancient grub

anything else..?

[calm night]

I playtest the live game 🙂

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[remote lark]

[gray ice]

Just pack it up buddy

[grizzled aspen]

(you should unblock Frog)

[drowsy steppe]

I aint doin nothing rn

I got time

[remote lark]

ill make this a gif

1 sec

[hard nexus]

thanks

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-movie-shorty-killer-nothing-nothin-gif-23959995

[hard nexus]

can u make it an emote in grubcord

[tepid sorrel]

this conversation is full of a lot of weird takes from people that don't talk to me lol

[stone fern]

dorn just likes to larp as a shadowbroker but he really just sends people pizza in exchange for info about upcoming changes

[remote lark]

i dont have perms

i think

[grand tangle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/639676970703257621/1316649344987955230/Great-movie-1733980251156.png?ex=675bd0c2&is=675a7f42&hm=2119a09ba171045f90467413384640384685cf4dcd47ad97dd4c22f468253354&

[stone fern]

dude bribes people

[hard nexus]

lmfao mal DMd ancient

fucking grubs

[remote lark]

ancient is here

grubs assemble!

[hard nexus]

god damn

[desert spear]

hey guys I’m a play tester and I just wanna say game changes will be coming

[grizzled aspen]

Holy grubs...

[tepid sorrel]

💀

[hard nexus]

rip

[drowsy steppe]

lots of wrongful accusations being thrown around here..

[misty nova]

And I still light spam maniacs

[drowsy steppe]

Im weak

[remote lark]

[tepid sorrel]

the witch hunting begins anew

[remote lark]

'ancient could be wrong'

'wrongful accusations!'

[hard nexus]

we have investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong

[grizzled aspen]

It's not even witch hunting.

[remote lark]

omega grub

holy

[grizzled aspen]

If it occurred in this server, you cant physically call it witch hunting.

[remote lark]

he's even worse than tintin with dorn

[grizzled aspen]

It's observation of previous behavior.

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[remote lark]

"you just called my master wrong... your life is forfeit.."

"draw your blade.."

[grizzled aspen]

Inb4 we get reports on all 3 of us.

[remote lark]

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[hard nexus]

literally

lmfao

[desert spear]

https://tenor.com/view/sekiro-video-game-moon-fields-gif-17684069

[remote lark]

dorn is not a playtester

[remote lark]

doesn't mean he didn't play test branches

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard nexus]

exactly !

[remote lark]

and ancient wouldn't know otherwise

its p simple

[drowsy steppe]

not a playtester
play test branches

Im weak

[tepid sorrel]

you're entitled to believe whatever you like

lol

[remote lark]

thanks!

i know

[hard nexus]

reading comprehension is hard

it’s okay

i know

[grizzled aspen]

And we are entitled to not like you!

[grand tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/katana-coke-bend-failed-slash-gif-16958998

[grizzled aspen]

Hope this helps.

[remote lark]

ah

i dont think mal knows what 'test branch' means

[drowsy steppe]

Im not a playtester and I cant even play test builds

[remote lark]

as compared to being a playtester

[drowsy steppe]

🙁

[remote lark]

i think that's the root of the issue

[desert spear]

this hurt me

[polar nexus]

I was with you 😦

[tepid sorrel]

yeah no shit lol

[twin wagon]

I also think I remember ancient

[hard nexus]

alright my flights taking off

[twin wagon]

but he joined late

[hard nexus]

gootbye everyone

[remote lark]

bye meow

[twin wagon]

With lore knowledge about lumi, this is cursed

[grizzled aspen]

I have seen some dirty laundry being aired in another discord regarding him and his group of grubs, all I'll say is it isn't pretty.

[twin wagon]

Ik Frog

[desert spear]

goodbyr I hope your visit to the sun is nice

[grizzled aspen]

I won't post anything because "hurr durr witch hunting" even though such things happened here.

[remote lark]

i don't dislike ancient, i just think it's disingenous to say make blanket statements about ancient and other playtesters and say "erm actually, playtesters that are friends with me said X" when said playtesters wouldn't have any knowledge of that subject

i dont really care that they hate dorn

[grizzled aspen]

But still.

[remote lark]

a fucking lot of people hate dorn

[desert spear]

dude this chat is always the same depending on the time

[tepid sorrel]

i don't "hate" anyone here lol

[remote lark]

to be entirely fair ancient
the last like 6 times i've seen u speak were half just shittalking dorn

🤨

[desert spear]

at this hour it’s always stuff like this and later it’s just shitposting or actually discussing zealot

[remote lark]

i dont think its unfair to say that you don't like him

[lean lark]

it's high school drama arc rn

[desert spear]

anywya ths build cracked

[frozen glen]

its dorn grubs vs ancient grubs

[lean lark]

should've joined back a year ago or so

[frozen glen]

what the flip

[remote lark]

what the fuck

[grizzled aspen]

I hate you.

[remote lark]

what is this

[twin wagon]

Why can't we just make a cult around Dawn instead?

[remote lark]

[remote lark]

oh god no

[desert spear]

literally fire

[grand tangle]

Free dorn

[remote lark]

trauma hammerblow dclaw..

kill things in 3-5 business days

[tepid sorrel]

idk what you're on about lol

[drowsy steppe]

no..

[desert spear]

hard meta

literally carrying

[lean lark]

True

[tepid sorrel]

six whole messages, of which three aren't relevant to that dude at all

[twin wagon]

Ok

Explain

[lean lark]

Brb becoming a narc to have my own cult of personality

[drowsy steppe]

iirc the havoc 40 vid

[tepid sorrel]

#zealot-class message

[twin wagon]

Dorn has lost my respesct

[tepid sorrel]

context link

congratulations

[twin wagon]

I will now workship ancient

[grizzled aspen]

Dorn carried the fuck out of Tanner.

[twin wagon]

🙏

[desert spear]

why would rogal dorn do this

[tepid sorrel]

it's really easy to say shit on the internet and pretend it's true

[remote lark]

🤨

i was super sure there was more

[twin wagon]

Dorn has been tainted by Tanner sickness

[remote lark]

maybe i'm misremembering

[tepid sorrel]

yeah apparently so

[remote lark]

#zealot-class message

just this then

big tangent about dorn and playtesting

oddly related to current topic

[tepid sorrel]

"big tangent"

a single sentence in a relevant conversation that i didn't continue

"big tangent"

🤔

[grizzled aspen]

Add me back you big meanie.

[remote lark]

uhh

you talked about him for 20 minutes actually

scroll down in that post

just cause the sentence doesnt include "dorn" doesn't mean you weren't talking about him

maybe i'm confusing dorn with tanner

but everyone hates on tanner

[grizzled aspen]

Ignored...

[tepid sorrel]

iirc most of that was at tanner

[twin wagon]

No we had a Tanner enjoyer

[tepid sorrel]

cause tanner's a big old dumbo

[remote lark]

FINE

[tepid sorrel]

as everyone here knows

[frozen glen]

i like tanner

[tepid sorrel]

but i'll go back through and check so we're on the same page

fuck you redverse

[frozen glen]

hes cute

[grizzled aspen]

YAY

[remote lark]

dont tilt me on purpose

[grizzled aspen]

Just so we are clear I was not at all mad at you.

[remote lark]

not at 5 in the morning

i was pissed at you

[drowsy steppe]

fuck you redverse

[grizzled aspen]

Aww, how sweet.

[remote lark]

ugh

[tepid sorrel]

oh yeah no i responded to a few more things but that's not really a tangent

[polar nexus]

Well, to know that they should play above malice (just kidding, also fuck you Mr E)

[remote lark]

you're gayer than me and i'm a furry

[grizzled aspen]

I think I should kill you.

[tepid sorrel]

mostly reacting to a few screenshots

[remote lark]

[grizzled aspen]

You sleep in a cage, mf.

[remote lark]

I HATE IT HERE

I HATE IT HEREEEEEEEEEEEEE

[frozen glen]

man the ancient grubs and dorn grubs are after me tonite

what it feels like to be a lone wolf....

[grizzled aspen]

I'm not even a Dorn grub, I just don't like tannerites.

[tepid sorrel]

i still don't know what the fuck a grub is

[grizzled aspen]

Yes you do.

Don't lie.

[drowsy steppe]

you are the 3rd wheel no one pays attention to in the party

[remote lark]

someone who idolizes said person or sucks up to them hard

[gray ice]

Stop larping as a cool person

[drowsy steppe]

sry I have to make that joke

just once

[grizzled aspen]

Frog grub. 🫵

[spare talon]

I DONT EITHER

[polar nexus]

You're OG victim 😦

[desert spear]

I still don’t know who dorn or tanner is I’m new to the zealot class chat lore

[remote lark]

🤨

[twin wagon]

I have it in 4k, lumi is a furry 📸

[frozen glen]

dont make me angeryyy i have demons inside me

[remote lark]

when do i get bark grubs

[grizzled aspen]

Specifically the second half.

[lean lark]

don't worry about it just play the game darktide

[tepid sorrel]

the last time i asked cica what the FUCK is a grub he didn't answer

so no i really don't

[grand tangle]

Here I was thinking grub meant food and now this guy's is calling dickriders grubs

[gray ice]

If you'd like your brain to stay in top shape do yourself a a favor and ignore it

[grand tangle]

I guess I'm old

[remote lark]

@tepid sorrel

[lean lark]

community related "lore" is pointless

[tepid sorrel]

thanks

[remote lark]

followers

basically

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah meatriders are grubs.

[desert spear]

yeah I do that but it’s fun watching this chat like the jarred specimen it is

[remote lark]

yheah meatriders

[tepid sorrel]

it's really weird to refer to friends as "followers" and "meatriders"

but thanks

[remote lark]

not the same thing

[grizzled aspen]

"meat" :3

[remote lark]

😂

[drowsy steppe]

ancient's meatriders..

[desert spear]

I’m already a brutal alcoholic my brain is fucked

[remote lark]

friends won't back you up when you're obvs wrong or suck up to you and think you're infalliable

[grand tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/riding-boondocks-horse-play-playtime-toy-gif-17498277

[remote lark]

grubs go like every time dorn speaks

like

tintin was literally

writing down

EVERYTHING DORN SAID

[drowsy steppe]

cult of persona type sh

[remote lark]

i dont think thats the same as a friend @tepid sorrel

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway, I tire of zealout chat drama, I will now take a nap before I have to go to work and terrorize Lumii later.

[remote lark]

if someone was writing down everything i said i'd probably get a restraining order

[frozen glen]

cult of persona is just cole

[drowsy steppe]

TRUE

[frozen glen]

weird ass persona fan

[drowsy steppe]

TRUE

[remote lark]

or i'd marry them

one of those two

[twin wagon]

DID I HEAR PARASOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS

I'm in

[remote lark]

[tepid sorrel]

maybe you're not getting what i'm saying
i think it's really weird to refer to people that are my actual friends as "my followers"

[grizzled aspen]

If you're gonna talk like that then @ the man. @spare talon

[grizzled aspen]

Please?

[remote lark]

that's because it's an insult

not a descriptive term

its derogatory

[frozen glen]

its out there in public for everyone to see

[drowsy steppe]

I have grubs!

[remote lark]

i want grubs

give me yours

🔪

[twin wagon]

I wouldn't mind grubs

[tepid sorrel]

oh so you're spending actual hours being derogatory and trying to insult ppl on The Internet

[tepid sorrel]

super weird tbh

[remote lark]

banter usually but yes

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, isn't that what it's supposed to be used for?

[twin wagon]

Ancient you'd be a great prosecutor

[remote lark]

i insult people on the internet

[frozen glen]

you never see it coming

[desert spear]

I have boxes of grubs I feed to my mantis I could spare one or two

[remote lark]

yay!

[grizzled aspen]

Lumii calls me gayer than he is for fun.

[remote lark]

[tepid sorrel]

i was gonna go into law i have a crj degree
law school too expensive tho

[twin saddle]

What happens if my skills give me 100% toughness damage reduction?

[twin wagon]

SO I'm the only law student here

this stinks

[tepid sorrel]

i don't have a money printer babe

[drowsy steppe]

the american dream...

[twin wagon]

[remote lark]

its not additive

[twin saddle]

Will my toughness just cease taking damage until the effects last?

[grizzled aspen]

TDR caps at 90% iirc and it's multiplicative, not additive.

[remote lark]

10% + 10% isn't 20%

[tepid sorrel]

i'm not the Federal Reserve

[twin wagon]

In Ogryn please

[remote lark]

it beccomes 10% reduction of 90%

[lean lark]

it's not possible (hopefully) but you wouldn't take any toughness damage if you reach 100%

[remote lark]

ok

let me put it this way

[gray ice]

Please print me fun bucks

[twin saddle]

I went to art school, could you guys explain for an ogryn

[frozen glen]

great so youre a fed

u is an opp

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/persona4-yu-narukami-dancing-all-night-specialist-swag-gif-17075642

[lean lark]

but still anything from 80 to 90 is a very huge ehp buff

[desert spear]

I love damage reduction!

it reduces the damage I take!

[remote lark]

100% damage taken
-10% toughness damage reduction

90% damage taken
-10% toughness damage taken

81% damage taken

[grizzled aspen]

If you take half damage, thats 50%, and then if you take half damage again, then thats 25%.

[remote lark]

^^

[twin saddle]

make no sense to me

[remote lark]

let me put it a different way

[grizzled aspen]

If you take a % less damage, any further damage reduction is based off that number, not the original one.

You see it very easily in how curio damage resistance works.

[twin saddle]

so isnt that better than being additive?

[grizzled aspen]

No.

Additive would be far better.

[twin saddle]

But it cant be completely incincible toughness

[grizzled aspen]

Correct, I believe it caps out at 90% effectiveness.

[twin saddle]

SO for smaller amounts of tougness DR, it rewards more

[grizzled aspen]

Yes and no.

[twin saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/math-gif-8911095

[remote lark]

if i have 0 damage reduction, i take 100% of incoming damage.

if get buffed with 50% damage reduction, i take 50% of incoming damage.

if I get buffed with another 50% damage reduction:
additively: i would have 100% damage reduction and would take 0% of incoming damage.
multiplicatively: I would have 75% damage reduction because that second buff halved the half damage i was already taking.

Does that make sense?

[grizzled aspen]

If you have no tdr, small numbers are great because it's more than nothing. If you have lots of tdr, you get diminishing returns.

[remote lark]

darktide is multiplicative

zealots highest possible tdr is about 88%, i calculated it a while ago.

[twin saddle]

yes a bit more, yes

[remote lark]

heres another way to put it

if you have a cake

and you cut it in half

you have 50% of the cake left

if you cut that in half again

[lean lark]

0 to 25% is good, 25% to 40% is better than the 0 to 25% although it's a "smaller" damage reduction buff than the first one

[remote lark]

ur cake isn't gone

u have 25% remaining

[twin wagon]

NO MY RASHONS

GIVE EM BAK

[twin saddle]

So, if we add up all of my possible TDR its about...hmmm let me bring up my calculator, im not multiplying in me head

[remote lark]

i posted it a while ago

let me find it for you

this game sucks

[tepid sorrel]

gaming is illegal

[remote lark]

ancient

base stat notes for tdr are additive right

or are those also multiplicative

[tepid sorrel]

fuck if i remember, i can check rq tho

[remote lark]

ok

ill do the math again in the meantime

[spare talon]

Quick
To the kuli steam guides

[twin saddle]

so its 39 (martyr)
40 (on melee kill)
15 (aura)

[grizzled aspen]

The easiest way to explain this is curio damage resistances. Gunner resist is pretty universal, so I'll use that.
100% damage taken - 20% DR = 80% damage taken. This is only for the first perk.
The next thing would be to take 20% from 80%. 80 x .2 = 16.
80% damage taken - 16% DR = 64% damage taken.
Do it again. 64 x .2 = 12.8.
64% damage taken - 12.8% DR = 51.2% damage taken.

[remote lark]

ty hank!

[twin saddle]

thats alot of toughness dablage reductrneadoihawodhi

\wtf is this above

stop THE NUMBERS

MAKE HEAD JHURT

[spare talon]

Pin message jumpscare

[tepid sorrel]

hank jumpscare

[grizzled aspen]

Read it slowly, Slab.

[twin wagon]

NUMBERS

[twin saddle]

anyway, i was wondering if this is the TDR i have in the build, is it worth to pick up holy cause from Chorus to get another 30% after channeling my ult

[misty nova]

[grizzled aspen]

40% tdr on melee kill? Are you sure you're reading that talent correctly?

[twin saddle]

Or is stacking it that high not worth

[lean lark]

if you've got a point to spare on it, it doesn't hurt (since your team gets the tdr too)

[grizzled aspen]

Actually just post your full talent tree.

[twin saddle]

critical, sorry

[grizzled aspen]

Or are you a console gamer?

[twin saddle]

but since this is supposed to be a heavy eviscerator special attack build (ik, ik) that will be like, more constant than you think

[remote lark]

no

[twin saddle]

Why insult me? Ive been nice to yall

[remote lark]

dont even bother getting either of those 2 upgrade points

[grizzled aspen]

I was asking because on pc I can do windows + shift + s and use snipping tool.

[twin saddle]

well yeah i could do that too but the build tree is le long and would take many snippets

[remote lark]

Enduring Faith: 50% TDR after crit for 4s.
Good Balance: 25% DR after successful dodge.
Shield of Contempt: 60% DR after taking HP damage.
Benediction Aura: 15%
Chorus Buff: 30% TDR
Martyrdom: 45.5% in Malice or lower

+20% additive(?) damage reduction from stat tax nodes

lets do the math real quick

[tepid sorrel]

each tdr node is "talent_toughness_damage_reduction_low", applying toughness_damage_taken_modifier
which is additive

[lean lark]

you can use a site named gameslantern

[twin saddle]

STOP

you said no thats enough for me

[remote lark]

ty

[twin saddle]

i believe you magic man

[spare talon]

Gameslantern can be zoomed out for a screencap of a single image

[tepid sorrel]

martyrdom is also additive

[lean lark]

Go into build editor, click zealot and then put your tree in it

[twin saddle]

what will it take you to stop? Draw you a landscape? Design a logo? (i went to design school)

A website design? Leave us alone please

[tepid sorrel]

        [stat_buffs.toughness_damage_taken_modifier] = {
            min = 0,
            max = toughness_reduction_per_stack * martyrdom_max_stacks,```

the others should all be multiplicative

[tepid sorrel]

for TDR specifically

[drowsy steppe]

surely he remembers theres auric maelstrom

[twin wagon]

No, every single steam complain is havok

[lean lark]

steam takes vs reddit takes

[twin wagon]

And people been "filtered"

either because they don't getp icked

or because krill

[grizzled aspen]

Auric maels aren't even that hard most of the time.

[spare talon]

Havoc forcing meta
Surely
Surely the only way havoc can be played is with meta
It is clearly impossible to clear with off meta

[lean lark]

actually it's unfair I've heard reddit takes are starting to improve somewhat

[tepid sorrel]

You MUST use the dueling sword and an infinite cleave weapon or you're THROWING

[twin saddle]

So this is meant for like, below 15 havocs when playing while high, and below 20s when trying

[drowsy steppe]

yuh why I think its the relatively easiest difficulty to play for high level players

[grizzled aspen]

Is this with all 30 points invested?

[twin saddle]

Its a heavy eviscerator special attack build (guarantees crits with that one blessing)

[spare talon]

(I can't speak tho cuz I used exactly this on live )

[lean lark]

you absolutely can't do a hav40 as ogryn because ogryn super bad, too big can't dodge!

[remote lark]

well

actually

[twin saddle]

Yup i know it looks really weird but if you look between the lines its cooking i swear

[tepid sorrel]

yeah because ur a lil meta-slave fucker

an insufferable creature of the night

[remote lark]

84.64375% + 20% additive would be past the threshold

so you would actually hit the 90% tdr cap

[tepid sorrel]

an unholy abomination

[tepid sorrel]

that motherfucking face

[grizzled aspen]

Shit talking Cole is illegal.

[twin saddle]

thanks, it serves the imperium though

[grizzled aspen]

Explode immediately.

[spare talon]

I use tac axe outside of havoc and under h21

[twin saddle]

So, le opiniones?

[remote lark]

coward

[grizzled aspen]

You can only make out of pocket, underhanded comments at him.

[tepid sorrel]

the tac axe is pretty fun in havoc

[remote lark]

do you want

an honest opinion

advice

or neither

[grizzled aspen]

Such as Kez wanting to lick his eyeballs or something.

[polar nexus]

There's a word for that. Sycophant.

[twin saddle]

Uh, honest opinion on what you think of the build idea yeah

[tepid sorrel]

that's not an underhanded comment that's just weird

[remote lark]

neat

[spare talon]

I wouldn't build into crit without piety unless your weapon has some means of additional crit inherently, like a blessing or stat

[grizzled aspen]

If it makes him uncomfortable, it's worth it.

[twin saddle]

Thats what im saying

[tepid sorrel]

that's even weirder

[remote lark]

what weapon is this for

[grizzled aspen]

BT evisc.

[twin saddle]

heavy eviscerator, the 100% guarantee crit one

[tepid sorrel]

cmon man be normal.

[spare talon]

That's just kez
He's a creature

[twin saddle]

on special attack

[tepid sorrel]

give cole a verbal beatdown not genuine physical discomfort cmon

[remote lark]

dear god

[twin saddle]

It oneshots crushers too

[remote lark]

you can do that without that

xd

[grizzled aspen]

No, he needs to be made significantly uncomfortable.

[twin saddle]

stop saying duelling sword

[lean lark]

you should use tac axe in havoc

it's funny

[remote lark]

okay so

all jokes aside

the 1 glaring issue about this build

[civic rapids]

Zealot mains can i ask y'all something

[spare talon]

Imo I'd just use shred on it if crit talents are your endgame, no kills required for it, and it easily stacks up scourge for 50% extra

[remote lark]

is that stun grenades (mainly all of the talents above stun grenades that u have to take)

are utter trash

even distain is bad

[grizzled aspen]

Missing a martyrdom node, too.

Pretty sure that's the attack speed node.

[remote lark]

yea you also need both of the nodes under martyrdom

[spare talon]

Basically all talents require a crit every 4 seconds to maintain uptime, and 25-55% is more than enough for that

[grizzled aspen]

Frankly I wouldn't take martyrdom for evisc, anyway.

[twin saddle]

This build does not invest in crit, since the crits you will get are from the special attack of the heavy eviscerator, and they are 100% guaranteed if chained.

[grizzled aspen]

Too point heavy, especially with crit cdr, and your mobility is shit.

[twin saddle]

Hold up though

10% toughness on heavy attack kill

[remote lark]

no

bad.

[grizzled aspen]

Is bad.

[spare talon]

The 100% crit chance still has a kill condition, which sometimes isn't available when you're fighting a boss for example

[remote lark]

you'll get more just from cleaving enemies

[grizzled aspen]

Terrible, even.

You already have blood redemption on the right.

[twin saddle]

IK, you are thinking, bad, but, what will you be doing with THIS build though

hitting special button

[remote lark]

and killing one enemy..

[twin saddle]

heavy meleeing gunners or crushers or anything

[remote lark]

mmm

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, you can do that without taking damage.

[twin saddle]

and getting that crit and reducting the ability further

[grizzled aspen]

And you do enough damage with just martyrdom alone to heavy kill anything that isn't carapace without revving.

[remote lark]

okay so

i see the thought process

but the thing is

[twin saddle]

while getting 50% toughness reduction since it will be crits

[remote lark]

you'll get less toughness from those overheads on gunners and crushers than you will just from the talents ur giving up in order to go down to that node

for example

[twin saddle]

mmm not really actually, not from my testing that is

[remote lark]

take a silly build like this

[grizzled aspen]

And what difficulty do you play on?

[remote lark]

you have way more damage reduction

like

[grizzled aspen]

[remote lark]

alot

and dmg reduction = toughness u dont have to gain back

[grizzled aspen]

No sustained assualt, cringe.

[twin saddle]

Well that was simple damnation in the testing chambers

[remote lark]

oh my bad

[grizzled aspen]

You cant measure your martyrdom damage boost in the psykhanium.

Not unless you're using mods.

[remote lark]

ill log in and makea gif showing this

right now

[twin wagon]

[remote lark]

gimme a min c:

[spare talon]

But the crit buffs have a short duration, so it maintain that, you'd need to get a rev kill every 4 seconds
Or you could just use shred and just have the crit chance happen anyway regardless what you do, and keeping the crit buffs maintained at the same time

[grizzled aspen]

I promise you, one heavy will kill anything that isn't a mauler or ogryn in one shot without revving at max martyr stacks, provided you didn't do something silly like dump damage.

[twin saddle]

Well yes, but, problem number one, what if i WANT to run around and use the special attack

[remote lark]

its not oneshotting because he doesn't have sustained assault frog

[stone fern]

umm aktually u cant get max martyr stacks in damnation

or heresy

[grizzled aspen]

Me when people don't take the free 25% more damage talent:

[twin saddle]

number two, the crits are guaranteed and this way and i dont invest in anything crit related

[spare talon]

It's still a hit, so shred counts for that too

[twin saddle]

if you dont bother with investing % crit at all, blazing piety is useless anyway, its better to deal more damage and be tankier when low with martyr

[remote lark]

i think you can oneshot a crusher without a crit though

[ornate bone]

what are the best blessings for relic blade?

[remote lark]

checck pins

[grizzled aspen]

You literally main normal board heresy so you can get "clutch" clips, explode.

[remote lark]

HAAHAHAH

[stone fern]

????????????

[spare talon]

Bloodthirsty is much more limited in its use case,

[hushed knoll]

Hello ice cream sundae frog

[stone fern]

stop spreading lies about me

[remote lark]

yeah frog

clad does malice

not heresy

[grizzled aspen]

Me when Clad wants a "clutch" clip so he gets his teammates killed on purpose:

[stone fern]

i played heresy once because a friend was returning to the game

[spare talon]

Hey that's not fair to him
I do too

[stone fern]

only lumii

[spare talon]

[grizzled aspen]

Killing Lumii on purpose is funny.

[stone fern]

i only kill lumii

[grizzled aspen]

"NO WAIT THE FLAMER-"

[twin wagon]

I cooked

[grizzled aspen]

You fucking burned it.

Die.

[spare talon]

You committed arson

[twin saddle]

oh, so, what is this?

[stone fern]

you cooked a salad

[remote lark]

wtf is that

[grizzled aspen]

A meme.

[spare talon]

A joke build

[grizzled aspen]

A joke, even.

[hushed knoll]

Clad why is ice cream sundae frog so mean to you

[twin wagon]

Ironically it's not that bad

[stone fern]

mad cuz bad

[spare talon]

Takes only cdr and sacrifices everything for it

[twin wagon]

Yes

[grizzled aspen]

He is a literal ogryn.

[twin saddle]

So is my build better than that?

[hushed knoll]

What does that mean

[grizzled aspen]

Yesn't.

[twin saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-fly-darktide-explode-goodbye-gif-16510274390543607132

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway, your build makes me want to poke my eyes out.

Sorry, not sorry.

[twin saddle]

Who are you saying that to?

[twin wagon]

It has almost 63% uptime on icon

[grizzled aspen]

You.

I can make sense of the thought process, but in practice, it doesn't work.

[twin saddle]

Bruh, never picked up heavy eviscerator special attack person above

[hushed knoll]

Frogcast it’s the time of year to be nice

[grizzled aspen]

I literally played with mk15 evisc for the first two months of playing zealout.

I know exactly how it works, in and out.

Same with mk3.

[twin wagon]

Evi bad

[twin saddle]

Its satisfying, and that means its good enough to play. I accuse you of having no faith.

[grizzled aspen]

So does Cole, so does Lumii.

[twin saddle]

Henceforth you shall be called, No Faith Frog.

NFF for short.

[remote lark]

i'm upgrading a evis to max just to show heretic what we're talking about

[grizzled aspen]

You asked for advice, and then promptly ignored it.

[twin wagon]

Refuse evi
Join Lord CHaxe
Join Crusher

[grizzled aspen]

Please explode.

[twin saddle]

about time

to upgrade i mean

[twin wagon]

Please don't run chaxe in havok

[grizzled aspen]

He's going to immediately scrap it after because relic blades are direct upgrades.

[remote lark]

yeah

[twin saddle]

well the advice wasnt on how to improve my build idea, but to scrap it alltogether.

[hushed knoll]

Let’s sign a petition that for Christmas Frogcast has to say two nice things about everyone here

[twin saddle]

so of course i will ignore that!

[spare talon]

Shred rampage evis 15 is brain off mode
So good

[grizzled aspen]

Because it doesn't work.

[twin wagon]

I wouldn't scrap it frog, what if relic gets nerfed into autopistol levels

[twin saddle]

No Faith Frog

[grizzled aspen]

🔥 💣

[twin wagon]

I will take notes, we have zealot allies to complain to Fatshark about the Ogryn issues

[grizzled aspen]

I cannot have faith in anybody to play this game without having actually been in a match with them before.

[hushed knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-on-you-gif-25797108

[grizzled aspen]

So no, I do not have faith in you.

[twin saddle]

Heresy Detected?

[remote lark]

okay heretic

[spare talon]

Honestly I don't really have too much issue with the build
I wouldn't run it myself but I can see it doing more than fine
I just think you'd get more out of shred than bloodthirsty for the build overall

[grizzled aspen]

The only people's opinions in the chat rn I can trust at face value are Cole's and Lumii's.

[remote lark]

what enemies do you think you cant oneshot with an overhead

without that build

[hushed knoll]

Mine too

[remote lark]

i loaded into psych

[twin saddle]

without the special attack you mean?

[remote lark]

yeah

[twin saddle]

with or without martyr?

[remote lark]

i'm not using martyr

:)

without

[grizzled aspen]

(it's far better to use IJ for evisc because evisc has shit dodges)

[remote lark]

shhh

let me just show him

words aren't working

its ok

seeing is believing

[spare talon]

Bloodthirsty is 100% crit chance for your next swing 5s after a special attack kill
Shred is 4% crit chance on chained hit

[twin saddle]

alright so without martyr, cant oneshot a crusher, a bulwark, or even a reaper.

[remote lark]

aight

one second

[grizzled aspen]

(inb4 the chastise trick is learned)

[twin saddle]

100% for your next SPECIAL attack aswell

[spare talon]

Casting fury of the faithful during the rev sawing, you can

Casting fury of the faithful during the rev sawing, you can

[remote lark]

1

[twin saddle]

Well duh of course, if you got crits

[spare talon]

Yes, that's about all it's used for, crusher chaining

[grizzled aspen]

15 stacks of IJ, one chastise.

[remote lark]

you can guarantee a crit without using that build you used heretic

[spare talon]

That's fotf at work

[twin saddle]

picture, number orange, mean crit

[remote lark]

FOTF = armor pierce, bonus damage, bonus attack speed, and guaranteed crit.

[twin saddle]

if crit, of course oneshot with heavy attack

[remote lark]

you can 100% guarantee it without the blessing.

[twin wagon]

achtually, it also gives toughness

[remote lark]

yep!

so you save fotf for carapace nemies

and then oneshot them

[spare talon]

We know it's a crit, cuz you forced it with fotf

[remote lark]

that's the point i'm making

[twin saddle]

Why are you talking to me like i dont know about this?

[spare talon]

And you can get it every 10 seconds with the crit cdr

[remote lark]

you dont need Bloodthirsty to do what you want to do

that's the point i'm making

[spare talon]

And you can have it up quite often with shred

[twin saddle]

The point of the build is to take book dude

[grizzled aspen]

FOTF is:

100% rending
15% attack speed
50% toughness regen
guaranteed crit
staggers enemies you run into (not ogryns or bosses)

[spare talon]

With no brain activity

[remote lark]

why not say that

one second

i can do silly stuff if i get to take book

[twin saddle]

I will explain in ogryn to you too>
If build idea, has some basic ideas.
Cant switch key detail, to something else, call improvement

[grizzled aspen]

Then the build shouldn't be.

[obsidian ore]

don't forget the most important part, %100 tdr during dash itself

[grizzled aspen]

I did not actually know theres 100% tdr during the dash.

[spare talon]

I love mock i-framing bursters

[twin saddle]

You literally demonstrated that "hey look this non team support ability achieves exactly what you achieve (oneshotting crushers or anything) by taking this selfish ability instead of the one you took"

[grizzled aspen]

Is that why bursters don't hurt you?

[twin saddle]

like, yeah it would do that

[remote lark]

can you guys stop arguing

[obsidian ore]

it is why bursters and snipers can't hurt you during dash

[remote lark]

i can oneshot a crusher without a crit still i think

[obsidian ore]

as their attacks need to go through your toughness first

[twin saddle]

my point is i dont NEED to invest into FOTF with the eviscerator blessing

[grizzled aspen]

I'm gonna be entirely real, chorus has no purpose outside of aurics. You are far better off just killing everything as your "support."

[twin saddle]

and the build is made around the special attack of it

[remote lark]

havoc

hes playing it in havoc

chorus is good there

[stone fern]

zealot has one ult outside of havoc

[grizzled aspen]

Meant havocs.

Oops.

[twin saddle]

thats why i think, the 10% of toughness on heavy melee kill is good because thats what you will do the most.

[grizzled aspen]

I am being insane.

[stone fern]

actually

[remote lark]

ah i understand now

i have an entirel ydifferent case to make then

[stone fern]

zealot has 1 ult in auric and 1 in havoc

[twin saddle]

Chorus literally slaps on havoc what do you mean

[grizzled aspen]

I wrote the wrong word. :P

Meant to say havocs.

[main widget]

How viable is ranged on zealot I really want to run shotgun priest

[grizzled aspen]

Chorus is useless in aurics and normal board stuff.

[twin wagon]

Very well, argument over, I now bring my actual non-joke build and want genuine, harsh and degrading criticism

[remote lark]

i will look at that in a min

[twin saddle]

Well yeah this build is for sub 15 havocs when high and sub 20 when not high

what isnt there to understand lmao

[grizzled aspen]

No second wind is the only issue I see.

[remote lark]

i actually have a valid point to show heretic

[grizzled aspen]

I would drop purge and anoint for it.

[twin saddle]

if its "but special melee attack le bad" i will throw a table

[twin wagon]

Thy wrath be swift would also be handy

but it's SO FAR

[grizzled aspen]

Also would not run something heavy because no twbs.

Like relic blade.

[polar nexus]

Why do you go left and not right up top?

[grizzled aspen]

Evisc/crusher.

[obsidian ore]

You have a crit based build with no second wind + %50 crit tdr

that's your main problem

[twin wagon]

Stuns saved me

[twin saddle]

seriously you have a good opportunity to cause chaos in my house, if his point is "heavy eviscerator special le bad" then i WILL throw something

[remote lark]

No actually

[twin saddle]

because that is a nonexistent advice in a build focused around it

[remote lark]

bloodthirsty is fine

shred is better but that's whatever

[twin wagon]

It's ran with crusher

[remote lark]

playstyle issue

im going to go after your point about taking stun grenade tree

[twin saddle]

okay im listening

[obsidian ore]

no twbs also feels terrible with slow weapons imo

[grizzled aspen]

I pray you have good cc abilities then.

[polar nexus]

Fotf should have enough stagger to get you out of a lot of bad situation

[twin saddle]

okay so i just took that because i dont use knives anyway. IM not good enough to animation cancel (and sub 20s you dont need to anyway)

if i need to shoot something, i shoot it with le bolt pistol

[grizzled aspen]

You don't need to anim cancel to use tknives well.

And you need to learn them for high havocs.

You don't have the ammo economy in higher tiers.

[twin saddle]

i thought about it long and hard and like, i barely use knives ever, so id rather have a panic button or room stun even if shit (i know its shit)

[grizzled aspen]

To use bullets, I mean.

[twin saddle]

Its just the most point efficient route to take

[grizzled aspen]

No it isn't.

If you're pathing through benediction anyway and taking second wind and enduring faith, it's more efficient to path through tknives.

[remote lark]

It's not actually just about the knives

[grizzled aspen]

Five points to hit the starting travel node underneath stuns, three points to take tknives and path through the travel nodes.

[remote lark]

Here:

[twin wagon]

Thy wrath be swift is so far away from stun

big sacrifice

[obsidian ore]

This is what I meant by zealot needing a grenade rework, some guy a while ago was arguing with me about zealot's grenades pickrate

[polar nexus]

The nodes before and after a blitz should be taken into consideration

[obsidian ore]

I was like, if we actually could access them without sacrificing vital total points a lot more people would be willing to try grenades

[grizzled aspen]

I would put money on it being dawn priest, with his fetish for immolation grenades.

[polar nexus]

What I see is people running builds with nades and not using them

[obsidian ore]

While throwing knives are beautiful and I love them to death, I want build diversity

[polar nexus]

Like bro. You spent so much to get there. Please use it

[obsidian ore]

Without actually sacrificing my main build talents

[twin saddle]

stun grenades stun in a huge radius for like, 9 or 10 seconds though hold up

[obsidian ore]

It needs to be similar to vet in that regard, where grenade choice is way less taxing

[twin saddle]

how is this bad in high difficulties

there must be something im missing

its a huge radius too

[polar nexus]

Stun nades are good

The pathing before is shit

[twin saddle]

Ah hm, i see

Could someone explain why 10% tougness on heavy attack kill is bad?

i kinda get the nodes before that

[obsidian ore]

Also, why the hell does relic need a point tax

Like cmon

[twin wagon]

More with bolt pistol

Bistol mvp

[polar nexus]

Because you shit 15 toughness by dodging

With second wind

[misty nova]

Vicious Offering?
Uh second wind exists+pathing

[twin saddle]

I understand that, but for my build specifically, how can i dodge while special attack chainsawing.

[mighty root]

Yeah anything is good if you’re good and are knowledgeable about the game, but also some stuff is just more viable than others such as the auto pistol vs the plasma it’s just a clear choice

[twin saddle]

Wouldnt it be an exception to say that its actually not bad when you, you know, cant really dodge proper

[polar nexus]

And heavies are not always the best choice considering the weapon you're using

[twin saddle]

and it will also give you 50% TDR

[mighty root]

I’d get good balance

[polar nexus]

Because a a zealot a lot of talents will benefit from dodges

And that's a way to maintain full toughness in bad situation and not get chipped

[lean lark]

to be completely fair relic is busted as fuck

so I can see some reasoning

[remote lark]

@twin saddle

please read this top to bottom

oops i made a typo

one second

[obsidian ore]

it just gets better the harder the game gets, for sure, but the price shouldn't be a skill point. You can balance it in some other way that wouldn't punish the skill tree

[mighty root]

Not worth the point investment plus most of your regen comes from second wind, your not going to be using heavies to clear most hoards

[twin saddle]

Well actually you would be using the special attack for anything that you have time for

if your ability is down

because its guaranteed crits, meaning you get the ability regen

[mighty root]

Huh

[lean lark]

well the price is you're handicapping either your survivability or dmg output at the cost of getting to use it which imo is completely fine but that could just be bias from havoc

[mighty root]

Oh I read some more

[twin saddle]

So the special is not only for crushers. The entire crit reliance for the build is from the special attack. SO gunners, ragers, anything that you can slice in half with specials is special attack target.

[lean lark]

nothing wrong with shooting yourself in the foot so you can keep everyone alive

[remote lark]

So the issue is not actually bloodthirsty, heretic

in fact bloodthirsty is its second best choice behind shred

iirc

[obsidian ore]

Well you get the point regardless. I hate the point tax, and I want it gone

[mighty root]

Is he using evis?

Just use relic

[remote lark]

shut the fuck up fyre

[mighty root]

Reported

[twin wagon]

Fox/wolf telling a sergal to shut up

Lore accurate

[mighty root]

You will be locked in the dungeon

[lean lark]

well my idea for that is simple. Just move the stagger enemies node and make it optional rather than forced

[twin wagon]

WHy not

Just nerf zealot

[mighty root]

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-hopeless-plague-doctor-gif-13347468273539957889

[twin wagon]

I'm serious, we have easy access to ludicrous amounts of damage mit and increase

[lean lark]

chorus still gives you undying + toughness gen

[twin wagon]

I can count the "bad talents" with a hand

[mighty root]

Uh have you seen mercy killer vet knife?

[twin wagon]

Still not zealot.

[remote lark]

cool

i got an infintie loading screen

out of fucking

PSYCH

REALLY?

[mighty root]

Cherry picking

[twin saddle]

What is a good blessing to pair with bloodthirsty then?

[remote lark]

rampage, always

it's required

i'm almost ready to give you my explanation

i just needed to test 1 more thing in psych

and my game fucking broke

fatshark is incompetent

[placid fiber]

Been there

[twin saddle]

You can spare yourself the effort, its fine

[mighty root]

For evis shred, rampage or savage sweep

[mighty root]

[twin saddle]

you did it though, you gave me advice for the build, that focuses on synergy for the build instead of trying to replace the whole thing with a completely different concept! YAY@!

[mighty root]

Maybe don’t be mean?

[remote lark]

i have different advice

that will let you do what you want to do

but easier

[remote lark]

fyre needs to die

[mighty root]

[twin saddle]

Is that the advice?

[mighty root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/775973804346310656/1053531487355555870/desconhecido.gif

[mighty root]

He’s mad cause bad

[twin saddle]

OH, you guys are together?

[mighty root]

No

[twin saddle]

i only now noticed both of you have like, furry profile pics.

[mighty root]

[twin saddle]

I noticed the cat profile picture of Fyre way before, but only now i see that bark is a furry.

[mighty root]

God forbid I like cats

You like cats? Must be a furry

[remote lark]

The issue is that in this game, 90% of your 'defense' and 'survivability' is just 'kill thing faster so it doesn't hit me'.

By taking what you're taking, you're missing out on Sustained Assault which is a flat 25% increase.

You don't need martyrdom to oneshot crushers at ALL.

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1265479387571159182/crackbert.gif

[twin saddle]

Yeah sorry didnt mean it like that, its just a common thing for lowkey furries to do that i guess. I worked with them before so thats why i assumed.

[remote lark]

This build gives you more tdr uptime, damage, dodge distance / speed, and doesn't take 6 points into the stun tree or require you to run martyrdom to oneshot stuff

[mighty root]

[twin saddle]

yeah i know

i just need a crit special attack, P much, ive told you

[remote lark]

i'm just saying you can drop martyrdom if you drop the stun grenade talent

and then you'll get to take IJ which gives you more survivability than the 10% toughness talent you wanted

[placid fiber]

yep... 20% from sustained, 5% from the node above it

[mighty root]

Yeah that stun tree is useless

[remote lark]

IJ gives you like 6 different stats with almost 100% uptime

[twin saddle]

okay i like this until the point where you turn to stealth

i just, dont understand stealth in this game, its wayy to weird for me

[remote lark]

thats because stealth..

is bad!

and bad players take it!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1316745143357018114/hey-girl.gif

its sole purpose is sneaking revives and objectives

[mighty root]

@remote lark where’s your 40 clear?

[remote lark]

you also need to grief your talent tree just to get it without griefing it harder

it practically forces you to path to loner

[twin saddle]

Well, im not a bad player, i dont run good stuff to challenge myself and because its more fun sometimes...

[remote lark]

if u want to take stealth with this build..

you'd need to do this:

[twin saddle]

And i dislike stealth as it is.

also like

i get that the plus 25% dmg keystone is good and all but

[twin wagon]

Or running away

Bark don't forget the go to strat of kerillians

[twin saddle]

what do i need that 25% damage for anyway?

[mighty root]

Fury is better because of all the utility it provides

[placid fiber]

not really since it takes 1 extra talent point to take benediction and you save 1 talent point by not being forced to take the 25% suppression node <.<

[remote lark]

thats actually the worst one

xD

again stealth = cheesing revives and bjectives

not damage

[mighty root]

Everything

[remote lark]

even chorus will give u more overall damage value than stealth

cause it lets teammates damage for free

or dmg buff

[mighty root]

Boss dps, brake points

[twin saddle]

like seriously, its free 25% damage but like, my hordeclear is already good, i saw through every elite and specialist i CAN and i oneshot crushers with specials too

[lean lark]

stealth is cool but in a weird spot right now

[twin saddle]

so like, where is sustained assault really helping me here

[mighty root]

Do whatever you wanna do

[remote lark]

but yeah this build will also give u more toughness on average anyway

[lean lark]

great for carrying pubs with 0 brainpower involvdd

[twin saddle]

im talking sustained assault btw.

[remote lark]

:P

[remote lark]

because it lingers

also

ur horde clear is 'good'

[twin saddle]

ok it lingers but for what

[remote lark]

but it can be amazing

[mighty root]

Had a psyker that I carried through a 40

All wounds

[twin saddle]

with rampage i already bodyshot kill stuff on damnation

[placid fiber]

anywhere where you're hitting enemies

[mighty root]

The Best staff you’ve ever seen

And smite

With ep

[remote lark]

you'll kill more, faster
this will make you take less damage overall

[lean lark]

was he bubble

[remote lark]

also IJ lets you dodge farther, more

same thing

why even take martyr at that point

you'll kill the same things just as quickly

but have full hp andm ore survivability

[mighty root]

No it doesn’t

[remote lark]

yes it does fyre

[placid fiber]

yeah it does

[mighty root]

Uh

[remote lark]

stop reading fatshark tooltips

fatshark lies.

[placid fiber]

ij increases dodge distance

[twin wagon]

I will run this with tax and say it's "Mine"

[placid fiber]

and dodge recovery speed

[mighty root]

No way it does

[remote lark]

yea, it does

ij is broken

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[remote lark]

best keystone zealot has

[twin saddle]

i guess sure, ill try going IJ

[remote lark]

ya

[twin wagon]

Daily reminder massacre on ogryn as well as fnp don't work

[placid fiber]

It isn't stated on the keystone itself

[remote lark]

also

[mighty root]

[twin wagon]

as advertised*

[twin saddle]

its probably good for closing in the gap with the heavy eviscerator

[lean lark]

go in-game and try it in psych

[twin wagon]

For about 6 months now

[lean lark]

if you don't believe words

[remote lark]

sustained assault lets you do silly stuff like oneshot elites with light attacks

instead of having to stop horde clearing to heavy them

xD

evisc is one of 'the' horde clearing weapons.. lean into it

'hordes' dont just mean chaff

or weak enemies

it can mean everything except ogryns

[mighty root]

Yeah i run it with knife I’ll have to see

[remote lark]

:B

[mighty root]

Maybe I just never paid attention to it

[lean lark]

it's easier to notice if you're on a slow mobility weapon like thammer

[mighty root]

That’s probably why

I’ll try it with relic

[lean lark]

• in-game you almost never notice it because you're too busy calculating the time it takes for the trapper to reach and shoot while you're clearing a bulwark pack

[mighty root]

It’s the only heavy weapon i like

[remote lark]

fyre what mark do u play

[lean lark]

ij is very good on relic blade

imo best keystone to run on it

[placid fiber]

it's up to 15% dodge distance/speed, and up to 7.5% dodge recovery speed

[remote lark]

ij is best on mk2 but piety is better on mk10

[placid fiber]

iirc anyway

[mighty root]

10 I like it’s simple moveset

[remote lark]

because you can horde clear with lights on mk10 to get invoc scourge and enduring uptime

if u take piety

i personally think its even better horde clear than ij mk2

but its hard to judge

even in psych

[placid fiber]

just spawn 500000000 poxwalkers

[remote lark]

:)

[mighty root]

Been too busy playing psyker with creeping flame spam

[lean lark]

I like my ij leakage rampage on relic blade with distain and sustained assault fotf stab dealing 40k boss dmg

[mighty root]

It’s so fun

[twin wagon]

Priest leaking

[remote lark]

leakage is just something i can't get behind

relic has too many animation locks that can fuck you

[placid fiber]

Why are you leaking all over the chaos spawn?

[remote lark]

if you swap ur sword on and off

[mighty root]

On peity knife I’d don’t think you’d want repoist because you already have a ton of crit chance what would you pair with precog?

[remote lark]

uncanny if ur doing piety knife probably

but riposte is still good

[twin wagon]

uncanny is trash

a youtuber said so

[remote lark]

it basically guarantees a crit on dodge

[rocky nacelle]

you would suck at soyker

[placid fiber]

isn't piety knife precog and riposte?