zealot-class

[peak cipher]

thats what i was thinking

[lone matrix]

sadly skilltree up to fire is meh

[peak cipher]

fire is also meh

just cuz the other two options are stuns and knives

[placid fiber]

I do the same. The only build I don't use tknives on is my marty build, which I go to the stun nades for bleed for the emperor... which is why I take my autopistol on that build since it's extremely fast and melts trappers x.x

[lean lark]

good and useful are two different words with different meanings

[peak cipher]

what exactly makes throwing knives not good?

[lean lark]

something can be useful, not necessarily good

[peak cipher]

they fulfill the exact role you need them for

[ebon urchin]

What blessings do yall like on the crusher?

[lean lark]

therefore useful

[peak cipher]

and they have an S tier path above them

[lean lark]

second wind and backstab damage

[peak cipher]

second wind is very good

[lean lark]

yes

[marble maple]

should I get beacon of purity instead

[lean lark]

most used and most useful

I'm not talking about the pathing of tknives, I'm talking about tknives themselves

tknives' main utility is killing specials/lowhp ranged elites in a quick second

I'm aware of drawspeed cancelling, that's a good utility from tknives too

[peak cipher]

so how are they not good

[cerulean moth]

I think one reason is that They are inherently selfish blitz. Where as all other nades will benefit the team directly.

[peak cipher]

that's definitely a fine reason but i don't think that makes them Not Good

they fulfill their role extremely effectively and fit an important blind spot on zealot

[lean lark]

they don't:
Horde clear
Deal good armor dmg
Cant kill most enemy types (without specific blessings and weapons)

[misty nova]

Skullcrusher Slaughterer

[cerulean moth]

Agreed

[lean lark]

I say that tknives are not good because of that criteria

[peak cipher]

you're asking them to do things they are very clearly not made for

[lean lark]

and the fact it doesn't directly help the team

[peak cipher]

the armor damage sure

horde clear is not a very fair thing to put in this criteria

and they kill almost every specialist with a cleanly placed headshot

they also have infinite sustain without picking up any ammo

or nade boxes

[spare talon]

and yet your melee and gun can lose the ability to specialist snipe to be able to fill all of these roles and excel at them
and now suddenly you excel at everything

that is why they are good

[peak cipher]

useful doesnt always mean good but useful in this case means good

[lean lark]

your melee can never lose the ability to specialist snipe

[cerulean moth]

I snipe your mom good

Ha

Cause she’s really hard to miss

Cause

[lean lark]

unless they're behind a spawn door

[cerulean moth]

Cause she’s fat

Yeah..

[peak cipher]

your melee cant reach 20 feet and one tap a gunner thats melting you

while you're fighting other shit

[lean lark]

you can push the enemies around you and dash the gunner

[peak cipher]

your melee cant one tap a flamer while youre in the middle of fighting a horde

your bait sucks

[lean lark]

you can use the enemies as cover from the gunner

[wooden hinge]

hey, im new any tips for zealot class?

[arctic saffron]

get out while you still can

[lean lark]

you can't make up a scenario, I reply with another and suddenly pull the bait card out your ass

[peak cipher]

okay then solve the flamer scenario

[lean lark]

find yourself a melee you like

then see the best ranged to pair with it

[peak cipher]

you're fighting a horde and you need to kill a flamer quickly or you're gonna eat damage

[lean lark]

what melee weapon am I using

[peak cipher]

literally fucking any because none of them solve this conundrum

[lean lark]

okay. I'm using the relic blade

[peak cipher]

okay now one tap the flamer within the time it takes for him to shoot

[cerulean moth]

What mk tho

[lean lark]

Mk10, Light attack one light attack two, third light attack is a stab and I kill the flamer instantly

[wooden hinge]

any recommendations?

i like all of them

[lean lark]

heavysword, relic blade, Rashad, crusher

[wooden hinge]

smiles*

[peak cipher]

the entire horde dies within two slashes?

you make the space to reach that flamer within the time it takes to kill the horde?

tknives are really, really good at exactly what they are made to be good at

[arctic saffron]

in my experience the flamer is also usually out of reach of your melee, so you'd have to push forward while killing horde to get him which is pretty dangerous

[cerulean moth]

…can we skip to the part where you kiss and make up

[humble minnow]

Its an easy situation
Clear the horde for some breathing space
Approach the flamer
The vet will then shoot the tank and blow you up

[peak cipher]

absolute classic

[lean lark]

I'll just record this scenario in creature spawner when I get home and just show you instead of theory-playing

it'd be way easier to demonstrate

[cerulean moth]

Pls kiss

[peak cipher]

the only situations where throwing knives are bad are situations that your ranged weapon or melee are going to solve

[lean lark]

Unless you're non-chastise and have a really dogshit mobility weapon, your melee is always going to provide the same utility throwing knives have, without needing to take them at all and grabbing the two other team-helping nades

[placid fiber]

Know what feels great? When I see a daemonhost while I have the dueling sword... and I am like "fuck it we ball" and after I engage it the randos actually come and help instead of staring dumbly lol

[peak cipher]

i never know whether or not its worth to help with dhosts

[lean lark]

I've done nothing but run my melee with flamer on zealot for most of my time spent playing him and I have never felt the need to swap to tknives to clear out rangeds or running specials

[lean lark]

Ledge, knockback ability? Yeah. Otherwise fuck them imo

[peak cipher]

im always like "man id really rather not get corrupted and waste all of my ammo on this"

[placid fiber]

Depends. If it is a rando who you know isn't competent then... eh... if you kno the person has been playing competently? They probably engaged it with the intention to kill

Like if I am on my gunlugger and start blasting

[spare talon]

Watch the first 5-10 seconds and if the demon host has taken more damage than the player in terms of max health %, they likely can live long enough for you to help kill it

[placid fiber]

What doesn't help is that I don't know how to fight daemonhosts very well so I am attempting dodging on the fly... and I get sloppy sometimes >.>'

I used to just use a thammer on em... so using a weapon where u fight it for real is weird

[peak cipher]

that's probably a more productive way to look at it than "this isnt worth my hp no matter what"

[lean lark]

personally I let whoever aggro the dh die, unless it was pure bullshit reasoning like a mutant or poxburster getting them there then I'll actually help and hopefully kill the dh

[spare talon]

Or you could be a gamer
And steal the aggro by rushing into it when they start waking it up

Because who it targets is proximity based directly when it fully wakes up

[peak cipher]

i once told a shield ogryn to aggro a dh and then didnt help him at all when he was blocking it

very entertaining

[frozen kernel]

holy shit I mom'd a veteran and it worked

[placid fiber]

Someone did that to me earlier and got insta downed... since they were a psyker. My dueling sword slaughtered the host, tho, before it even got halfway to taking them lol

[spare talon]

#zealot-class message

[frozen kernel]

Dude was shooting barrels and I watched as he richochet'd the psyker into some pox. I picked her up, then when I went to grab some ammo and slapped a barrel once beside me as a test, he comes around the corner and detonates it with a single las shot

I walk up to him as he just types "sry" and stands there gormlessly

"No"

[placid fiber]

When u got cornered... that's what happens to me cause I'm more focused on the host than where the environment is x.x

[frozen kernel]

"I watched you do it to them. I watched you do it to me"

"Grow up"

[placid fiber]

Then I got slop hit a lot lol

[frozen kernel]

Man said NOTHING and behaved for the entire rest of the mission

[lean lark]

you have more empathy than me I would've barreled them off and spam pick them up so they very very slowly die to the ledge animation

[frozen kernel]

I got a really funny clip of him magdumping pox

[placid fiber]

sigh I REALLY need to do gloriana completions... but all I get are fucking sedition through malice ones... I have fucking 7 x.x

[clever swan]

just got the most toxic gamer ever and bro rage quit at the very end

[placid fiber]

This is what is up lol

[frozen kernel]

He was inhaling ALL of the ammo, to the point where the other zealot was at 0% until we dropped a box lmao

There's a beautiful irony to the class who literally prints ammunition and grenades being the one who most commonly yoinks everything

[peak cipher]

we need to kill all smykers

IMMEDIATELY

[placid fiber]

We already have a gif for taht

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[frozen kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1293134993211658303/caption.gif

[peak cipher]

i hate them on every class but especially zealot

idk if the smyker hate is ironic from everyone else but i really fucking despise them

[frozen kernel]

I think I hate flame staff on zealot more than smyker

Because they always spam the M1 and knock shit out of my aim

So many wasted knives

[peak cipher]

smite just makes it impossible for me to activate dodge buffs

[lean lark]

I only like smite in high havoc because I'm running backstab cdr and chorus

instant chorus in a couple swings because the smitebot is smiting the horde

[placid fiber]

Hm... mk5 dueling sword + marty for the lulz... ugh if I didn't want gloriana completions I would have skipped on this one :/

[frozen kernel]

My build is focused around pressing M1 and things becoming deader so thankfully, smykers just facilitate more killing

[peak cipher]

i am a successful dodge fiend

i NEED momentum

i NEED duelist

[frozen kernel]

If a crusher is just stunned, it means I can lob its head off without having to spend calories

[peak cipher]

i NEED second wind and good balance

[frozen kernel]

And my brain is so very eepy

[grizzled aspen]

Running pub havocs, this vet has a rampage ds2.

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-gif-9085908029409421417

[grizzled aspen]

And he fucking GUZZLES ammo.

[frozen kernel]

ofc

[grizzled aspen]

Thank God I'm playing psyker.

[frozen kernel]

Honestly that's why I started playing so much psyker

Dont have to fight pug vets for ammo

Truth be told...we're faster than them so it's not much of a fight

But I don't want to hear whinging in chat, or their character just yelling "UH NEID AMMOH" repeatedly as they come to terms with not being able to play left 4 dead anymore

[peak cipher]

i find most of my vets don't ammo goblin too hard

but i also don't play havoc so

[frozen kernel]

If I'm playing psyker, any lobby having a single one means that there's a good chance only 50% of the team is even using ammunition at all

If the remaining 2 still cant hack it

YIKES

Hilariously I have to bully my vet buddy into taking grenades

We'll be heading into an elevator. I'm a psyker, our zealot is full, and our ogryn has rocks

He is missing 2 nades

[peak cipher]

optimal vet is always missing nades

[frozen kernel]

"JUST TAKE THE BLOODY BOX IN CASE THERES HELL ON THE OTHER SIDE"

[peak cipher]

so you can make the most from stockpile and demo team

[frozen kernel]

He's always like "they regen" but if the box is free and nobody else needs them, just take it

It's the mythical "final bullet in the mag when you reloaded early"

You'll be happy you took it when you can just spam nades when the elevator doors open to a plague ogryn, a mutie swarm, a bunch of maulers, and assorted gunners

[peak cipher]

SOME vets take the stockpile + demo team gospel too seriously

[frozen kernel]

I need to find a way to mount him on an ogryn

He craves the turret gun playstyle

He's also my favorite person to play with so honestly, he could be a smyker and I'd still have him along

[opal star]

ai director looking me dead in the eyes and spawning an ammo crate even though my team is 75% psykers

[placid fiber]

or when all 4 players are extremely ammo hungry users... "Ammo crate? What's an ammo crate? Never heard of it" is what the director says >.>

my 1st zealot is so close to having the extra dodge on his dueling sword... I'm just... really fucking poor...

.>'

[grizzled aspen]

"Low hp" they oneshot both types of gunners and shotgunners on headshot and can drop a dreg rager with a duellist proc.

If you don't find that to be obscenely useful then it's probably because you can't aim them.

"Can't kill most enemy types" they oneshot all specialists on headshots with no frills added except mutants, as well as the previously mentioned gunners and shotgunners. That leaves ogryns, maulers, and ragers, which, as I said, dreg ragers get dropped with a duellist proc.

Yet another instance where you don't know what you're talking about!

[blissful frigate]

abusing almost any blessing also makes them busted as shit

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah I'm not even referring to blessing interactions yet.

[peak cipher]

is this common?

[grizzled aspen]

Very!

[peak cipher]

i was almost certain i was being baited

[grizzled aspen]

That's why I said he was insane.

Get this, he recommended somebody drop inebriate's poise on IJ to save a point!

(that's the 3 stacks per dodge instead of 1 talent)

[peak cipher]

lmao

[grizzled aspen]

(you need that)

[peak cipher]

the one that makes it playable

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, exactly.

[peak cipher]

where's the point going? fucking swift certainty?

[grizzled aspen]

But apparently since I haven't cleared havoc 40, I'm not allowed to argue with him!

The audacity is hilarious.

TLDR he is either bad and can't aim tknives, so he hates them, or he is simply deranged.

[placid fiber]

I can't aim worth a shit and I find tknives extremely useful lol

it's more likely the latter one

[grizzled aspen]

I would like to believe that people aren't deranged, but unfortunately the world isn't so nice.

[placid fiber]

Swift certainty, at the end of the day, is just +5% sprint speed

x.x

[peak cipher]

i used to swear by it

i really did

[grizzled aspen]

Oh, btw, the talent the person wanted to afford was good balance.

[peak cipher]

i mean

[placid fiber]

all that stuff about it letting u dodge ranged attacks... u can do that when u have stamina and are sprinting at the right degree based on where they are shooting you from

[grizzled aspen]

(iirc)

[peak cipher]

not a bad choice just not one id trade the entire keystone functionality for

[placid fiber]

I wouldn't mind it if they made ij even more unique(and I mean more unique than the ranged damage/attack speed/dodge stuff)

[peak cipher]

IJ is a lukewarm keystone imo

[placid fiber]

marty does the melee damage and attack speed... I wouldn't mind ij being a bit more unique from that

IJ is an amazing keystone

[peak cipher]

okay

let me

rephrase

[frozen trench]

Marty is the sweat keystone

You gotta be ultra instinct

[peak cipher]

because i realize that makes it sound like i think IJ isn't amazing

it is an amazing keystone but it's the least flashy one

[placid fiber]

15% damage(melee and ranged), attack speed(melee and ranged), dodge distance, and 7.5% dodge recovery speed

[peak cipher]

it just exists and works

[grizzled aspen]

IJ requires inebriate's poise to be functional.

[twin wagon]

Daily reminder, when you have teamates use all the ammo
It's likely this type of person

[frozen trench]

Dodge speed too

[grizzled aspen]

The other two keystones require 2 points to function, unless you're taking piety strictly for stalwart.

[peak cipher]

blazing piety with the dr node is the sweat keystone in my experience

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, that's me, stalwart is fucking awesome.

[frozen trench]

I see it as the safe one

[placid fiber]

marty gives up cdr and hp for damage, attack speed, and toughness dr

[peak cipher]

it's also me lol, it's a fun awesome keystone

[peak cipher]

i hate martyrdom

[placid fiber]

marty is something u gotta feel

if u don't feel it, never use it

[peak cipher]

i no longer think it's bad, i just fucking hate it

[placid fiber]

It is one of the keystones that gets better the better you are at the game

[frozen trench]

Rip x3 17% toughness curios

[grizzled aspen]

Oh but when martyrs purpose gets a buff we are gonna be eating good. (I am coping)

[rocky nacelle]

pro question

does relic blade feel ass without IJ

[placid fiber]

For me I do 1 17% toughness curio with 2 wound curios... and for heresy and above I do 3 wound buffs at the start and try to stay around there

[frozen trench]

I love my 3x wound curios (I am suicidal)

[placid fiber]

I end up with 172 toughness on my marty build

[grizzled aspen]

It feels ass with IJ.

[rocky nacelle]

Haha noob

[frozen trench]

Subjective

[grizzled aspen]

But the feeling of having a better power sword and making vets weep makes it bearable.

[rocky nacelle]

my first MKX game of learning it I didn’t have a keystone on

and shit felt fine

[placid fiber]

eh... I feel like this isn't true since it can give up to 15% attack speed...

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao

[frozen trench]

I make good use of all keystones on the mk2 relic

[grizzled aspen]

We are referring to dodges.

[placid fiber]

relic blade feels ass on dodges yes

[grizzled aspen]

The dodges feel like you're walking through burgle slime.

[placid fiber]

it's the same as the shield on the ogryn

[rocky nacelle]

yeah I wasn’t feeling the ass dodges either

[placid fiber]

for dodge distance

[rocky nacelle]

even without IJ

[placid fiber]

and I think 1 other weapon, but, I can't remember which one rn

[frozen trench]

Martydom is stat stick, IJ is fun with 80% mobility with heat management dump, I make it work

[placid fiber]

I think 3 weapons have the same dodge distance(relic and shield are 2 of them)

[rocky nacelle]

maybe people just expected this weapon to be super god tier and perfect in every way

idunno

(The FGS got that treatment instead)

[placid fiber]

it might be the power sword...

or it's another oggy melee

oh it might be the pickaxe

[opal star]

only problem with relic blade imo is it being a pain in the ass fighting bulwarks with

for me anyway

[grizzled aspen]

I expected, as somebody that knows how to use a greatsword irl, that it would be less clunky.

[rocky nacelle]

I’ll agree to that but I just hate bulwarks in general

[frozen trench]

Apparently you can attack through the shield on the mk2

[grizzled aspen]

Greatswords aren't actually heavy, contrary to popular belief.

[rocky nacelle]

FGS shits in bulwarks

[arctic saffron]

dodge to the left on their swing while charging an overhead

[rocky nacelle]

No they arent, not unless you get into silly territory

[stable cypress]

I have brain dmg from chaxe usage so the dodges don't bother me too much

[rocky nacelle]

Like zweihanders

[grizzled aspen]

I dont know how to tell you this, Para, but "zweihanders" aren't real.

[rocky nacelle]

Whatever they’re called

[frozen trench]

I just hate the slow down on the heavy attacks

[rocky nacelle]

nerd

[placid fiber]

No, I was right the 1st time... it's the vet's power sword that shares the same dodge distance with the ogryn's shield and the zealot's relic blade

[grizzled aspen]

A "zweihander" is literally a translation of "two-hander."

But anyway.

[peak cipher]

the idea of a zweihander was like 4-6 pounds at most

[grizzled aspen]

Those giant ass greatswords built for people that were regularly 7ft tall are silly for normal people to use, and that's not what we use.

[peak cipher]

they aren't heavy

[opal star]

we can’t say for certain that a relic blade would be the same weight as an irl greatsword (considering the integrated tech and possible different materials in its construction), nor that varlets even eat/exercise enough/properly to handle one like such

[placid fiber]

A lot of swords were roughly in the 1 to 1.5 kg range, yeah

[frozen trench]

I always thought it was an anti pokey stick weapon

Meant to be deflecting and not used like a brute

[grizzled aspen]

Martyr zealouts swing their mk13 chainsword like they just snorted a fucking line, man. I think they can manage to swing a sword around.

[rocky nacelle]

I’m just used to fuck ass slow weapons, and in my personal opinion for the relic blade to be called “slow” by everyone, it’s pretty fucking fast

but that’s just me

[cloud kiln]

man I just lost my auric storm streak because someone trolled and blew up a barrel next to me sending me off the platform

when there was nothing else around

[frozen trench]

Mk2 and those overhead lights

[stable cypress]

that's ds4 giving most people a different, even worse brain damage

[frozen trench]

So fun

[opal star]

knowing martyr zealots they probably did

[placid fiber]

It's like if you have marty and the dueling sword as well... which I mostly just use for attack speed memes

If you aren't used to mashing... there's definitely some weapons with marty that could give you carpal tunnel <.<'

[frozen trench]

I had a dream there was 5% explosion radius curio perks

[peak cipher]

greatswords weren't actually used an Excessive Amount as far as i know

[grizzled aspen]

Thankfully we have inquisition sanctioned macros (always swing and fullauto)

[frozen trench]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[placid fiber]

I don't use macros tho... >.>

[frozen trench]

Carpal tunnel saver

[lean lark]

If you knew how to read and think for yourself you'd probably understand my words better. That's all I have to say to you

[placid fiber]

I was used to having to mash the z key for bandit in ror1, since his primary fired faster if you were manually pressing it instead of holding the button down(up until like... 6-8 soldier syringes)

[raven swan]

I am happy to tell you that I failed Auric Maelstorm Survivor for 3rd time those 2 weeks, always on the 5th game 🙂

[placid fiber]

Oof

[raven swan]

The last one is on me, the people helping me, helped only trough the 4th game. For the 5th I changed my build so the others can feel comfortable and needless to say we eat it big

[rocky nacelle]

me when I’m in a delusional dumbass competition and my opponent is dawn priest

lmfao

[raven swan]

With this being said I don't think I will ever move away from dodge build

Now I have to ask my self, do I really need a titile or play Havoc as any other sane person

[frozen trench]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[placid fiber]

The only real penances I've tried to complete, recently, are these types of ones

[raven swan]

[placid fiber]

Otherwise I just play and have fun and work on contracts

[frozen trench]

Me with the 2000 immolation grenade skills

I am at 1300 rn

I hate it here

[placid fiber]

I'm already borderline insane, if not actually insane... I don't need something to help push me over the edge <_<'

[raven swan]

Kill me, I have no clue what is what in terms of missions For me there are - oh kill mission, oh train mission, oh break thing in the end mission

And I have nealry 300 hours ahah

[placid fiber]

I, uh, have a might bit more than 300 hours myself... >.>'

[frozen trench]

Based and darktide pilled

[placid fiber]

I have 3.6k in ror2 lol

[frozen trench]

I love the Aatrox survivor mod

Today I will be the greatest hater of all time

[raven swan]

Hey, at least there was a benefit in thta wasted time, I got the inisgnia to finish Auric without team being downed. I guess it is a small win

For an amateur zealot I guess

[placid fiber]

starstorm 2, inferno, and the uh... aspects mod that supports a whole bunch of other mods...

uh... zet's aspects I think

those are my favorite ones

[frozen trench]

Remove nets immediately on allies and you go from amateur to expert

[raven swan]

What I do up late

@placid fiber I lied

IT is

[frozen trench]

Nice

I love seeing chums enjoy a game that I enjoy

Idk my time on mine

Too lazy to turn on pc

I’ll guess my hours

[raven swan]

I don't want to show my D2 hours... depressing

[frozen trench]

Atleast 4

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-thin-cat-gif-12685362

[frozen trench]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-ten-thinking-gif-9528459

[grizzled aspen]

Ad hominem. Stop being insane. Give an objective reasoning as to why you believe immolation grenades are better outside "I think they are better."

[peak cipher]

HE THINKS IMMO NADES ARE BETTER THAN TKNIVES?

[grizzled aspen]

And then give objective reasons as to why you would drop nodes like inebriate's poise.

[frozen trench]

Man, what does adding ad hominem to your sentence do?

[grizzled aspen]

Confirmation bias will not do, here.

[grizzled aspen]

Stating that he has no retort other than calling me stupid.

If he does have something intelligent to say to me, he will say it, or nothing at all.

[full nebula]

Immolations are kind of mediocre, knives are the best blitz by a good margin.

Not an opinion, just purely based on utility

[grizzled aspen]

Immolations do one thing, and thats clear chaff for you to more easily get to elites in a mixed horde.

[peak cipher]

immos do genuinely nothing

and the tree above them is mid

[grizzled aspen]

Which, yknow, the rest of your kit does already.

[peak cipher]

imo a very important part of discussing how good blitzes are is their place in the tree

[frozen trench]

So fucking true, there are so many bloated talents strung across

I feel penalized for taking them

[peak cipher]

immo nades have a poor tree above them for a bad grenade and knives have scourge, second wind AND enduring faith

[rocky nacelle]

I enjoy one of his reasonings for tknife being worse than immo nades is “they don’t horde clear” yea cause you’re a fucking zealot with 30 options to do it yourself over grenades

[peak cipher]

THAT'S WHAT I SAID

[rocky nacelle]

Or yknow just manstopper tknife 40 guys

lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, my point is made with saying he is fucking crazy.

[peak cipher]

horde clear can't be part of your fucking criteria for THROWING KNIGES

[frozen trench]

Middle line doesn’t have consistent toughness regen, that makes immolation grenades feel worse for picking

[rocky nacelle]

havoc 40 player btw (this goes to show you any monkey with a typewriter can do it)

If you just play long enough

Lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

Even if you separate pathing from the argument, tknives still offer way more utility.

[frozen trench]

You need to get it from your weapon blessings and god damn I hate blessing tax

[grizzled aspen]

Add in pathing and its just a no brainer.

[rocky nacelle]

let’s see his amazing response this time

[grizzled aspen]

Oh you just reminded me! He was a syphon stan when relic blades dropped!

[rocky nacelle]

holding our breath with anticipation

[grizzled aspen]

What an utterly useless blessing!

[frozen trench]

I can see its merit if you forgo second wind

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah but who out here is not taking second wind?

[frozen trench]

I wanted to take glory hunter if I was getting the immolation penance done

[peak cipher]

i think second wind generates me more toughness than any other zealot node

[frozen trench]

But man I hate blessing and talent tax

[peak cipher]

you can accidentally fill all of your toughness with second wind

within one second

[frozen trench]

Dodges are insane

[grizzled aspen]

Second wind generates me more toughness than all of psykers toughness gen nodes combined.

[peak cipher]

ahhh well

[rocky nacelle]

me when I accidentally tknife 30 people in a horde with manstopper in 1 second

[peak cipher]

not too much now

[rocky nacelle]

immo nades better right

[grizzled aspen]

You must understand that trapper MUST die through 60 chaff.

[rocky nacelle]

that’s unironically what I use manstopper knife for

[frozen trench]

I think the tree just needs better access to toughness replenishment

[rocky nacelle]

better than immo nades

[raven swan]

There is a hole in my soul

[peak cipher]

I've never tried manstopper knife

in fact I didn't even know that was possible to be honest

[grizzled aspen]

It's hilarious, you can cleave like 30 ragers in one button.

[rocky nacelle]

I enjoy deleting gunner/shotgunner packs and 30 rager jump scares

[peak cipher]

I believe it

[rocky nacelle]

with 2 knives

1 if it crits while headshotting

(Which it will because it wouldn’t proc manstopper without critting)

[peak cipher]

which it probably will

[frozen trench]

I like immolation grenades, but man do I feel I just killed the last unicorn when I take the grenade pickup from the ogyrn who had big boom

[peak cipher]

because you're playing zealot

[rocky nacelle]

immo nades better than tknives also we need grenades more than the ogryn cause immo nade are that good

(I can’t clear with my melee weapon so I need immo nades)

[lean lark]

Okay.
Immolation grenades clear out an infinite number of enemies, creating a safe area where nothing stays alive for long. It clears hordes by itself, it handles every enemy type except carapace(fixable if you run penetrating flames flamer) and has good nodes above it (AiB, PtU, restoring faith, voice of terra when paired with flamer).
Inebriates poise has never been a necessary node for inexorable judgement simply because of the fact you're zealot and you move around constantly, making the additional stacks redundant since it doesn't go past 15. When stacks where 20, I'd have taken inebriates poise.
More horde clear>killing a sniper across the map in a second

[frozen trench]

I only use them in a dense elite horde or for revives

[grizzled aspen]

Wall of text.

[peak cipher]

I've been seeing less nuke gamers recently

[grizzled aspen]

Ok, gonna pick this apart like a vulture.

[lean lark]

That's what you're good at right? Cherry picking

go ahead my friend 😇

[frozen trench]

Bros should just kiss

[rocky nacelle]

I wish I was an insufferable dumbass

sucks I must use my brain

[frozen trench]

Clearly obsessed with one another

The building tension of two opposites growing into deep intimate love

[twin wagon]

Immo grenades themselves are not bad, the nodes you sacrifice are not worth it tho

[peak cipher]

the immo nades themselves are kinda bad imo

[lean lark]

I'll bother reading your counterargument to something I'm already fully aware of, nothing good to do right now anyways

[frozen trench]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-vibe-gif-24179784

Blitz opinions be like

[opal star]

I like the funny yellow fire

[grizzled aspen]

"clears an infinite number of enemies" until it runs out (not elites because they have too much hp)
why are you bothering to use your flamer, a mixed horde clear weapon, when you just used up a grenade?
voice of terra is a fucking joke
inebriates poise is how you keep high momentum stacks in melee, "moving around" in melee gives very little

Interesting little argument youve got there. It gets defeated simply by using your melee, like you're supposed to.

[peak cipher]

also taking immo nades and flamer completely locks you into horde clear zealot

[opal star]

I would think voice of terra is pretty good with the flamer and other high horde clear weapons like manstopper lawbringer-

[grizzled aspen]

Also, just wanna throw this out there, flamer is not good at dealing with carapace.

[peak cipher]

is voice of terra the one that's like

[grizzled aspen]

Even with pen flames, cara + elites.

[peak cipher]

2.5% toughness on ranged kill or something

[frozen trench]

4%?

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[lean lark]

immolation clears elites. I'm using my flamer to get the elites inside the horde I dropped the immo in to speed it up and pick off the crushers in it. Voice of terra, when paired with flamer, is a free inspiring barrage.
Moving around in melee gives enough to maintain max stacks, if your engagements last longer than the stacks you're genuinely dogshit and I won't hear you out on it unless you're in high havoc where enemies are tankier.

[peak cipher]

so less toughness generation than if I just pressed F or dodged in front of the horde for 2 seconds

[frozen trench]

Damn, two mfs who are succeeding in their runs with their builds having different methods of achieving the same end, but yet still argue

They won’t relent until one admits they’re wrong

They can be here all day

Not the precious ego

Anything but that

[grizzled aspen]

So your argument for immos being "good" involves using a flamer with it to capitalize on pen flames? That is like saying tknives are only good if you capitalize on interactions with surgical + hand cannon.

"Moving around" is still not enough to keep high stacks of IJ, so you're punished for using slower weapons when you don't have inebriate's poise.

[lean lark]

This point is useless because you can do everything your gun does with your melee. Shocking right? The melee class only needs melee at the end of the day!

[frozen trench]

That’s true dedication to love right there

[grizzled aspen]

I won't be, I have a job and touch grass.

[lean lark]

good cherry picking btw, I never said you need pen flames flamer for immolation to be good. I said it will help immolation kill the only enemy it can't, that being crushers.

[grizzled aspen]

In fact, I'm waiting on my car to warm up right now.

[frozen trench]

Hating on people for a darktide opinion ain’t your job either

[lean lark]

im having lunch break rn

let a man enjoy himself

by arguing over a videogame

[grizzled aspen]

I mean, he comes through here and tells people looking for damnation builds to use immos, despite literally everyone else in this channel saying not to do that because they're terrible.

[frozen trench]

I’m enjoying my instigating

[stone fern]

bruh you jumped me for saying theyre bad

[frozen trench]

If something works for you, you can recommend it right?

[misty nova]

They buffed to 4% on UnL

[stone fern]

immo nades bad

[grizzled aspen]

I didn't?

[rocky nacelle]

Insane value must take talent now

[frozen trench]

Bro must be paid to shill big throwing knife

[peak cipher]

that's still really bad value

[lean lark]

I'm saying what I'm saying due to my firsthand experience playing the game. You say what others say is good because you're too lazy to even try anything you see being said

[stone fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278540580976328790/1316021121681981521/ezgif-2-a4f0fc3a59.jpg?ex=675ad92d&is=675987ad&hm=57afc56d7e410e8e7a2118f75388059df5715dff3306e48b69cc50b1a45f3471&

[frozen trench]

Also dawn paid by big immo nade

[hard nexus]

he said that if your engagements last too long for IJ stacks then you fucking suck

we found the OP weapon crutch

[stone fern]

i hate drog so much bros..........

[north sedge]

all the nades are good in their own right

[grizzled aspen]

Oh that was a wrong reply moment lmao.

[stone fern]

i hope ur socks get wet today

[grizzled aspen]

That's really mean, Clad.

[opal star]

This argument sucks go back to reddit

[stone fern]

good

[north sedge]

And inebriates poise is basically mandatory

If doing ij

[hard nexus]

yah

[frozen trench]

I miss fun goober discussions

[peak cipher]

to nobody's surprise everyone thinks dawn priest is wrong

[frozen trench]

Worse elitism than vet and psyker chat combined

[grizzled aspen]

He also believes that since I haven't cleared havoc 40 that I'm not allowed to argue with him, despite several people saying a monkey could do it, given time.

[hard nexus]

me too

[rocky nacelle]

part 67

[peak cipher]

let's talk about something fun

[lean lark]

Good strawman btw thanks for bringing nothing of use to the conversation 👍

[hard nexus]

clearing havoc 40 isn’t really that hard with a competent team lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

That's what I'm saying.

[peak cipher]

are smoke grenades the worst blitz in the game

[twin wagon]

I had respect for you frog, I thought you did

[stone fern]

i swear chasm station is spawning more snipers

[grizzled aspen]

Huge mistake.

[twin wagon]

Box of hurt

[stone fern]

they changed the map a bit

[hard nexus]

use a weapon that doesn’t kill everything in 2 hits and then get back to me on inebriates poise

[peak cipher]

no way

[stone fern]

box is the worst blitz in the game tbh

[peak cipher]

i think box still gives you SOME value

[twin wagon]

Smokes atleast don't crash your game

[peak cipher]

smokes do nothing

[twin wagon]

[lean lark]

I ran tac axe in hav40 good day and goodnight 😇

[grizzled aspen]

Box does this funny thing where the submunitions fall through map geometry and do nothing.

[twin wagon]

Smokes get rid of "approaching" enemy attacking, no lunges

[stone fern]

box is worse than the default ogryn nade

[misty nova]

Pair it with Stalwart for 6% on ranged kill

[lean lark]

now do it talent tree-less. Now do it blnfolded.

[peak cipher]

smokes are worse than the default vet nade

[frozen trench]

https://tenor.com/view/without-any-milk-gif-25081694

[hard nexus]

okay?

that doesn’t change what i said

[grizzled aspen]

Methinks you have been sufficiently bullied for being wrong to the point that you can only insult people in an attempt to get validation.

[hard nexus]

literally

lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

Please vacate the scene, sir.

[hard nexus]

what can you do

[desert spear]

I run a melee and ranged weapon for hav40

[twin wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/ariane-elster-stumble-kiss-signalis-gif-8416435828276423511

[grizzled aspen]

(that means leave the server, again, because this has happened before)

[frozen trench]

They should do a crazier skill and uninstall to prove their commitment to their disadvantage means skill bit

[lean lark]

You're the ones going on a crusade over someone's different opinion, not me buddy.

[grizzled aspen]

"Buddy"

[rocky nacelle]

Welcome back inspiring barrage flamer

[peak cipher]

someone was in this chat a few days ago glazing the hs9

[lean lark]

don't you have a job to go to? Shoo little bird!

[twin wagon]

Crusher gang
Crusher gang

[peak cipher]

idk who that was but they're a visionary and have made me really like that weapon

[rocky nacelle]

probably cica

[grizzled aspen]

Probably Cica.

He is the hsword stan.

[frozen trench]

Imagine being confronted by St. Peter in heaven and he brings up the zealot chat logs

[peak cipher]

i can also check the gameslantern link i stole their build from and see who it was lol

[rocky nacelle]

you assume anyone here is going to heaven

[hard nexus]

never said anything about skill, but he said if your engagements last longer than the IJ stacks, you’re dogshit

i said to use a weapon that’s can’t kill everything (OP) in only a couple swings, without inebriated poise

i meant, without IP, you will not have anywhere near high stacks for a majority of your combat throughout the match

[twin wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1315163441186471997/crumple.gif

[rocky nacelle]

is the first mistake

[opal star]

boing

[grizzled aspen]

discord
heaven
Hilarious.

[frozen trench]

Obamna

Soda

[twin wagon]

Us going to hell but bouncing off because darktide physics

[hard nexus]

zealot chat is fucking slop now

[rocky nacelle]

it already was

[hard nexus]

i miss old zealot chat……

[rocky nacelle]

it’s just worse

[hard nexus]

yah true

[twin wagon]

we had femboys

[rocky nacelle]

Not like you help either

tbh

[twin wagon]

I miss femboy zealot chat

[rocky nacelle]

slop woman

[hard nexus]

what have i done

[twin wagon]

[hard nexus]

i say slop but i dont contribute to the stupidity

[grizzled aspen]

Hag. 🫵

[rocky nacelle]

slop slop sloppily slop

[hard nexus]

sloppin it

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/press-x-to-doubt-x-to-doubt-wooper-pokemon-woop-woop-gif-12952794857912432270

[frozen trench]

I actively go out of my way to shit disturb with the armor of being a moron

[hard nexus]

creature

[frozen trench]

Arguing with a fool makes you more foolish

[hard nexus]

also true

[frozen trench]

Good words of advice here to anyone who actively argues dumb shit

[grizzled aspen]

That's the fun part of arguing with Frog, the biggest of fools.

[hard nexus]

frog suffered brain damage

frog speaks in third person

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-kiss-elise-cursed-sonic06-gif-16639273

[grizzled aspen]

Indeed, Frog needs an ambulance.

[hard nexus]

me and my sonic OC

[desert spear]

sometimes I watch this chat silently and just contract brain fungi

[twin wagon]

I am the worst then, I use steam discussion.

[rocky nacelle]

and zealot chat is back to tism central until another schizo take happens

[twin wagon]

Please step on a lego

[rocky nacelle]

♻️

[frozen trench]

YES

I AM BOTH FIELDS

[twin wagon]

Stun grenades are actually goated

[rocky nacelle]

shaddap noob

[frozen trench]

AUTISM AND MADNESS

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway, dawn priest successfully bullied into stopping his deranged speech.

I can now go to work in peace today.

[frozen trench]

bro probably got off lunch

[lusty turtle]

[grizzled aspen]

I mean, he has been bullied out of this discord twice since I've been here.

For the same exact insane takes.

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpson-homer-simpson-heaven-rejected-gif-13757617

[lusty turtle]

immos are only one of the most overpowered items in the game, but i guess thats a take

[desert spear]

what was the take even

[grizzled aspen]

Many and varied.

All terrible.

[frozen trench]

You are the grandstanding victor of rhetoric and intellect, thrive and take that as meaning

[hard nexus]

immo grenades can kill hordes and elite packs

that’s what zealot’s melee is for

[twin wagon]

Not again

[frozen trench]

Dawn owned

[hard nexus]

yeah they’re strong

but like

[twin wagon]

[hard nexus]

they’re not really that OP, and throwing knives in non/lower havoc can give you a lot more value

[lusty turtle]

immos are effective into infinite density. yes you CAN melee anything, but you can also shoot anything you can throwing knife

[hard nexus]

you can just use a flamer into infinite density

[grizzled aspen]

Not if you don't have bullets!

[desert spear]

I’d like immos a lot more if they lingered longer so you can really deny area

[frozen trench]

Bro they’re going to rip you apart for not being same think

[lusty turtle]

if you have flamer yes, but not everyone runs flamer

[peak cipher]

flamer or bolter which way zealot player

[hard nexus]

the main problem with immo is the terrible talents leading up to it

the grenade’s themself are fine enough

[grizzled aspen]

And that tknife path talents are cracked.

[desert spear]

that too

[frozen trench]

I just hate relying on ammo pick ups

[north sedge]

I just offer them stan's potatos

[lusty turtle]

its less that they are all terrible (some def need adjusting) and more the nodes going to tk are unhinged

[hard nexus]

also true

[frozen trench]

Grenade pick ups

[lusty turtle]

50% crit dr needs to die

[peak cipher]

duelist has to die too

immediately

[grizzled aspen]

Me when I stack enduring faith, good balance, and stalwart all together:

[hard nexus]

not until vet’s everything gets nuked (it won’t)

[desert spear]

actually I think these nodes suck

I actually think they’re underwhelming

[hard nexus]

to the shredder with you.

[desert spear]

and need buffing

[lusty turtle]

[frozen trench]

they’re fucking bloated

[peak cipher]

i don't know how i feel about vet being like as good as zealot in melee

[grizzled aspen]

Dw chat, I will get the wood chipper.

[peak cipher]

or having the potential to be

it just seems odd to me

[twin wagon]

Nerf zealot
Nerf psyker (with less hp)
Nerf veteran VoC
Buff Ogryn
Nerf Bark in particular

[lusty turtle]

zealot being the single most rediculous class in the game since launch

[desert spear]

as it’s meant to be

[lusty turtle]

buff some of ogryn, kill HH

[misty nova]

cough better cough

[twin wagon]

Fix fnp or revert it!

[peak cipher]

yeah let's relax

[twin wagon]

[peak cipher]

better is a strong word

[grizzled aspen]

"Nerf @remote lark " is funny, make him specifically take 200% more damage from snipers and make all his missions vent purge sniper gauntlets.

[desert spear]

remove every class in the game except zealot

[misty nova]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[twin wagon]

Add in a chance for mission modifiers to just change mid match

For the horror of everyone

[frozen trench]

Immo nade defenders be like

[peak cipher]

3 veg should apply to every mission

[lusty turtle]

god i wish

random lights out

[twin wagon]

[frozen trench]

That’s a good idea

[north sedge]

I think they should just move a couple nodes again, for fun

[misty nova]

Buff HH Brutish Momentum

[rocky nacelle]

If only we had the video of someone 2 tapping 4 crushers and 4-6 tapping a boss with Rashad (on vet btw)

[desert spear]

super gauntlet modifier where every enemy is completely random meaning that group of 40 pox walkers could turn into 40 crushers

[frozen trench]

Vent purge randomly

[desert spear]

like the director is just having a seizure every enemy spawn is random

it could be monstrosities

[peak cipher]

this doesn't surprise me

[lusty turtle]

what if i send you a pipebomb

[peak cipher]

rashad is fucked

[rocky nacelle]

but you see zealot Rashad isnt doing that

vet Rashad is

lmfao

[misty nova]

I'll just parry it

[lusty turtle]

rashad does that on zealot as well tho

what 2.0 UY adm does to a mf

[peak cipher]

maybe not the boss part but like every build destroys crushers in 0.5 seconds

[frozen trench]

Ngl, I find the combat axes boring, but I’m spoiled by crusher and relic blade atm

I like push attacks weaving into combos fun

[desert spear]

I like axes

they just feel satisfying to hit shit with

that’s all

[frozen trench]

Combat axe is heavy spam or light spam and I tend to adhd lose focus

[grizzled aspen]

Go play psyker with fgs mk8.

[frozen trench]

Oooo

I should demo it

[desert spear]

still gotta level psyker to try FGS

it’s just low level psyker is like boring asf

[peak cipher]

I've tried a lot of zealot builds and axes are probably my least favorite weapon family on the class

[frozen trench]

I gotta finish my play 100 games as psyker penance to get 60/60

[misty nova]

Real

[frozen trench]

Zero hours as ogyrn

[desert spear]

ogryn would intrigue me more if they had big two handed melees and sealed armor

I wanna be a crusher

[north sedge]

I have everything leveled because I'm a professional

[frozen trench]

Low level psyker is just surviving low level into high level wizard in dnd

The d6 hit die moment

[peak cipher]

incorrect low level wizard is actually good

low level psyker is suffering

with Nothing good

[tropic pelican]

give ogryn the actual spiked knuckle dusters

[blissful frigate]

upper talents help build weapons you dont have, lower talents actually make your builds lol

[tropic pelican]

i beg

[frozen trench]

The early game find familiar to make a bird you’ll summon once and forget

[frozen trench]

If it had crazy combo chains ogyrn becomes peak engagement for me

If it had a charged heavy kick, I’d die happy

[remote lark]

explode

[blissful frigate]

that would be nice, minus charging something like that. I dont know if it'd be worth it to hold your attacks just to knock down a crusher or two compared to what other stuff can do

[frozen trench]

Idgaf if it’s shit, I want the dopamine of kicking someone hard

[blissful frigate]

ogryn already has a lot of that exact kinda thing though lol

just without legs

[frozen trench]

A kick?

Nvm

No reason to play ogyrn

Ever

[blissful frigate]

literally disabled

[frozen trench]

True I agree ogyrn is disabled

[blissful frigate]

no legs

[frozen trench]

I just want to see what those tree trunk legs could do to a random scrawny sniper

Fuck this guy in particular

[blissful frigate]

pre-death ragdoll

[misty nova]

There's one
Which I'm kinda mad about it
Brunt's Pride has a punch follow up after the special

While cleaver with handguards should be the one with punch

[grizzled aspen]

Oh I'll explode alright. :3

[frozen trench]

The uppercut on the mk2 relic has created synapses that can’t be undone

[twin wagon]

mk2 is becoming a cult

I Will happily donate all my belongings to mk2

https://tenor.com/view/lhp-satan-dance-cult-lucifer-gif-8498450605985791030

[frozen trench]

Mk2 ultra brainwashing has gotten me

[misty nova]

Well I'm a mk10 enjoyer
Mostly because I have muscle memory of the combos

[hard nexus]

mk2 is very fun

[frozen trench]

Activation phrase is elite horde ready to be uppercutted

[hard nexus]

i wish combos would reset a bit faster on the relic blade so going into sprint thrust was quicker

[blissful frigate]

I cant relic blade but I can fgs

[frozen trench]

I like the push stab and stab on light 3

[remote magnet]

Mk10 heavies feel slow as shit and i hate it but the poke l3 is great feeling

[blissful frigate]

I dont know if I used any actual zealot abilities with it yet since havoc asks for so much chorus

[grizzled aspen]

Meow becoming a mk2 relic blade enthusiast because mk3 evisc will be left to rot forever.

[hard nexus]

not an enthusiast

just sayin it’s decent

mk3 will forever remain in my heart

[frozen trench]

Imagine if the relic sword had a finesse bonus on tipper attacks (like marth on smash)

[hard nexus]

tipper?

[frozen trench]

Incentivizes using max range and hitting with the tip of the sword

[hard nexus]

ohg

yah

that would be neat

it’d be more fitting on an axe like weapon though

axe, spear

[frozen trench]

More skill expression and gameplay interaction

[hard nexus]

we don’t have a spear which makes me sad

[frozen trench]

Kruber got two of them

Lucky bastard

Bro should share

Then again good of him for sharing the executioner sword with us

[grizzled aspen]

Twice!

[frozen trench]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-the-simpsons-two-knives-i-gotta-tell-ya-this-is-pretty-terrific-gif-27687620

[blissful frigate]

I do hope they make more use out of weapon charge mechanics, kinda what people were asking for back when we were coping over chainswords

[misty nova]

(sharing hats when)

Chain weapon but your attacks are like the Chaxe 4 lights

[frozen trench]

Bro had the unparalleled feather hats

[blissful frigate]

vermintide events handing out several store cosmetics for free while we have to play 10 missions for... I dont even know how to describe it

a roman numeral that is barely seen in either third or first person if you even bother equipping it

[toxic dock]

recon las is good if you wanna kill bosses right?

[blissful frigate]

just apply max infernus stacks and then swap to melee, keep reapplying when the fire wears off. dont magdump the full thing into bosses

[misty nova]

Not much on zealot I think

[blissful frigate]

bolter is way better if you want to deal with bosses in particular, especially beasts of nurgle

[toxic dock]

man

its so fucking clunky tho

[blissful frigate]

Aint that bad at 60% stability, theres also a mod on pc that actually smooths out the recoil animation and follows the pattern more closely

[misty nova]

Well then

Vraks 5

[toxic dock]

oh yeah

forgot about the marksmen

wait no im thinking of the gria whats the vraks 5

[misty nova]

Vraks Infantry Auto Gun

[buoyant pewter]

Bolter is sweet

It’s like my fav ranged weapon zealot has

[toxic dock]

oh i see

[buoyant pewter]

Flamer for dogs but that’s it really

[misty nova]

It's the old Columnus

[toxic dock]

stack dumdum hold down lmb call it a day?

[blissful frigate]

deleting burgles with ranged as a zealot is so nice, I havent seen anyone run one since the last event with random spawning beasts of nurgle

[buoyant pewter]

I mean it’s basically good at everything

Ammo economy could be worse too

I’m a melee main focus anyway

[misty nova]

Preferably aiming for weakspots

[hard nexus]

i haven’t run out of bolter ammo like

ever

[toxic dock]

what do bless an AIG with even if you wanna just pull it out to mag dump bosses with? just dumdum and racking?

[hard nexus]

i doubt i even use more thank 50-60 shots a match

[blissful frigate]

you definitely dont run out of bolt ammo on zealot unless you're fighting gunners in havoc

[misty nova]

Yeah

[toxic dock]

cool ty ty

[blissful frigate]

bolt is way too satisfying to hit specialist heads with

[twin wagon]

Unless
Havok*

[blissful frigate]

if it keeps spawning melee elites packs instead of ranged ones it can work lol. you're already running tknives too because zealot tree

[twin wagon]

Yes but it could also spawn only ranged elites

[blissful frigate]

worst case is that you have to wait for psyker to brainburst the entire fucking room

[fleet zealot]

you don't run tknives tbh

[blissful frigate]

fun gamemode

[fleet zealot]

at a certain point you can only one shot a non hardened sniper

not even bombers or trappers

immo nades may have worse pathing but they just keep their value in havoc

also it's a ground dot so it doesn't get reduced by pox hardened

[blissful frigate]

I always just throw 2 knowing nothing gets 1 shot

Idk if pathing there matters as much in havoc either since you crutch your toughness with yellow anyways, going straight down middle might be better as long as your team stays up?

maybe not, chorus regen is actually abysmal when parasite gunners out damage it

[violet hornet]

I honestly don't mind running tknives still in high havoc simply because it's free ammo, given how many elites they throw at you. Even using 2-4 knives to kill specialist that originally took 1 is okay if you can kill a pile of melee elites with you melee weapon and leave the ammo for your hungry ass vet and ogryn to keep killing shooters

Plus it's free quick stagger on some enemies and gets your bolter / flamer out faster

[undone pewter]

Conked out my god

[misty raven]

Hows the power greatsword?

[hard nexus]

strong, mobility and attack speed leaves a bit to be desired

but overall is very solid

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-fillion-oh-wait-uhm-gif-5233870

[hard nexus]

what

[rocky nacelle]

using the bolter wrong if you dont go to 0 once in a mission

[hard nexus]

or i’m playing zealot right

[lunar fable]

[polar nexus]

I often out damage vets. As a zealot

[rocky nacelle]

weird moot point

but go off

[hard nexus]

ur face is moot

[hard nexus]

same

consistently

[polar nexus]

On ranged

[lunar fable]

[rocky nacelle]

better than smelling like poop

https://tenor.com/view/james-sunderland-silent-hill-stinky-gif-4311413315846464426

[hard nexus]

whatever zealot crutch…

[rocky nacelle]

has more levels on zealot than me

curious

who crutching harder

: )

[lunar fable]

meow what is your acc level

[hard nexus]

uhh

[lunar fable]

[blissful frigate]

you aint a zealot if

[hard nexus]

i’d check when i get home

but i think it’s

900-1000

somewhere around there

[violet hornet]

Wow not expecting it to be lower than my own, that's crazy

Do you almost exclusively play zealot?

[rocky nacelle]

yea they suck with other classes

so

[violet hornet]

Ahh that makes sense

Same tbh

[hard nexus]

me when i lie

[hard nexus]

650ish levels on zealot

[lunar fable]

bru

[hard nexus]

almost 300 on psyker

like 100 on vet

and 35 on ogryn

[blissful frigate]

oh so you only play fun op classes

[violet hornet]

I'm just over 700 on zealot, maybe like 240 on psyker, 150 on ogryn and 120 on vet

[rocky nacelle]

my soyker is catching up to zealot

[polar nexus]

900, 700, 480, 250... Zealot vet psyker ogryn

[rocky nacelle]

cause i didnt touch zealot for like a month and a half or 2

before relic swords

[polar nexus]

[hard nexus]

only 100 on vet

[modern lintel]

never seen meow in vet or ogryn qll im saying

[rocky nacelle]

correct

🩼

[hard nexus]

yah because vet and ogryn are both boring

[blissful frigate]

yeah vet is total trash, voc doesnt even do anything

[hard nexus]

yeah honestly buff vet

[lunar fable]

yea buff psword and plasma

[lunar fable]

[hard nexus]

more flat damage increases!

[lunar fable]

everything gets a base damage increase on vet

[blissful frigate]

why the fuck is his tree like that though lol

[rocky nacelle]

uh

sly marbo

[blissful frigate]

right

[rocky nacelle]

👍🏽

[blissful frigate]

basically a miniture ogryn with a gun

[hard nexus]

what

[hard nexus]

and rashad

[rocky nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1316431650611007569/togif-4-1.gif?ex=675b0603&is=6759b483&hm=4dd2b32d915daae5286a09732ba22d6b1ff26de4daac83a53abec19852d37572&

[lunar fable]

i love rashad!!!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lava-cat-minecraft-cat-gif-13440479435726322249

[rocky nacelle]

man

[modern lintel]

explode

[rocky nacelle]

why is male seer like

top 3 voices in game

its so good

[polar nexus]

Is that the German?

[rocky nacelle]

it's beloved

[blissful frigate]

loner is german

[blissful frigate]

probably because he's the main character

loner gets close to being like that in some voicelines

[sullen forge]

I personally think it’s Tzeentch doing “a bit of trolling”

[remote lark]

i personally think u should exploder

nows

[lunar fable]

[blissful frigate]

crystaline will, im sorry but I only explode on purpose

with 5 wounds

[remote lark]

yeah bitch

my purpose

die

[modern lintel]

peculiar place

[remote lark]

[sullen forge]

Furry scum……

[rocky nacelle]

true

beloved would never let us be a side character

✊🏽

[sullen forge]

Well my beloved talks about how change is a good thing

[rocky nacelle]

loner is a main character who fell off or failed his quest

[sullen forge]

Not sure what that means

[misty ravine]

Imagine making yourself the main character of your own dream. Arrogant is what it is

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-spin-gif-10300642414513246571

[rocky nacelle]

dont make me dream you away

[misty ravine]

I think it would be really fucking funny if his Beloved wasn't the Emperor, or Tzeentch, or some daemon, but just plain old vanilla delusion

[rocky nacelle]

lame

schizophrenia boring !!!

emperor cool !!!

[misty ravine]

I guess anything can get boring if you live it every day ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[blissful frigate]

bro has no psykinetic powers, hes just plain old schizo

[rocky nacelle]

imagine scriers assail is just him tweaking out

and throwing shards of glass off the floor

to everyone else

[blissful frigate]

would fit being a reject

[rocky nacelle]

but to us its psyker gameplay

[sullen forge]

The daemon that happens to enjoy watching him tweak

Just happens to make it start killing things

So he thinks he’s a psyker

[blissful frigate]

I do hope the playable rejects get some story progression, kinda like how the vermin boys ended up in places that they've been to previously outside of slaying rats

[misty ravine]

Dude sees DD highlighted targets at all times

[blissful frigate]

yeah thats just autism vision

[final mural]

tismvision™️

[rocky nacelle]

thats just Jet from fallout

whatever the equivalent would be in 40k

[blissful frigate]

like we arent taking stims every few minutes already

wait a minute now it makes sense

[sullen forge]

Crack heads

[blissful frigate]

no wonder why the stims dont corrupt us, rejects are just too autistic

[sullen forge]

Too tistic for Big E

Incorruptible

[rocky nacelle]

Blessed is the mind too autistic to doubt.

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-emperor-of-man-emperor-gif-12094981323200160207

[sullen forge]

Completely immune to turning into walkers 🚬

[keen heron]

finally got a chainsword

[copper hawk]

Troo..

[copper hawk]

Paw-culiar place*

[modern lintel]

[twin wagon]

Ogryn buff
Use environment

[modern lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-l4d-l4d2-iixluminatixii-gif-12314436

[timid marten]

is it possible to get +3 max staminda curio on zealot ?

[modern lintel]

yea

[keen heron]

how does impact bonus effect staggers

[spare dome]

uh, as stated really

impact amount x impact bonus(es)

[rocky nacelle]

for whoever was talking about levels earlier

[lunar fable]

lv4

so noob

[arctic saffron]

i got vored by burgle and then he spat me out of the map

[normal wren]

[hushed knoll]

Burgle

[rocky nacelle]

real

[hushed knoll]

Spelling fail

[hushed knoll]

Blab

[red swift]

Wow

[cinder frost]

Gang, what is the best mission to do the Just a Flesh Wound penance?

[red swift]

Pox gas with extra tox bombers is the most not fun i've had in this video game

[arctic saffron]

its a portmanteau for beast of nurgle

[normal wren]

Train

[hushed knoll]

😠😠😠😠

[lunar fable]

[normal wren]

If you get hit early enough

[lunar fable]

@rocky nacelle in hard mode now

for poe

i died 4 times in act 3 and all of those weren't even from bosses

it was from getting bodyblocked by trash mobs 💀

[remote bluff]

hi whats to go to for curios? 2x Toughtness 1x health?

[cinder frost]

thx

Now I just wait for the train to be in rotation...

[remote bluff]

or 1 toughtness 1x health 1x stamina?

[hushed knoll]

Blab when are we playing DT

[lunar fable]

you play darktide?

[misty nova]

Real

[hushed knoll]

Yes

Why would you think I dont

[misty nova]

Doable

[twin wagon]

Tox bombers when zealot corruption heal

[rocky nacelle]

Yeah that sounds about right for an Arpg

lmfao

[modern lintel]

riddler jump scare

[hushed knoll]

The riddler isn't real

[stone fern]

ur not eal

[hushed knoll]

Clad WTF

Why are you literally punching me and kicking me and pulling my hair

[lunar fable]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1hbnzgz/i_guess_im_a_bowling_pin/?rdt=64817