zealot-class

[mighty mesa]

it does?

[grizzled aspen]

The right side keystone, Inexorable Judgment.

[grizzled aspen]

Yup, it has hidden mechanics.

Much like many things do.

[mighty mesa]

yee i know there's alot of hidden stuff, havent heard of that tho

[grizzled aspen]

That's why when a certain somebody comes through and says a "zealout guide is unnecessary and useless" I call him wrong and stupid.

[mighty mesa]

if true thats really kewl

[grizzled aspen]

Because no materials exist to teach these hidden mechanics.

[mighty mesa]

the guy starting with T?

[grizzled aspen]

Nope, D.

[mighty mesa]

ooohhh

[grizzled aspen]

Not to be confused with Dorn, though.

Dorn is the one writing The Holiest Book.

[heady quail]

If you are still new to the game, I'd advise against Agile since you may develop bad dodging habits. Instead put Precog and Uncanny Strike/Riposte

[grizzled aspen]

(zealout guide)

[mighty mesa]

nah im not new to the game

[plucky gate]

yeah agile will rot your mind

[mighty mesa]

just wanting to learn more

[grizzled aspen]

I would go a step further and ban new players from using ds until they learn melee, but that's just me.

[heady quail]

How many hours then?

[grizzled aspen]

Imo, dclaw is the best teacher for learning melee.

[maiden forge]

Parry ❤️

[grizzled aspen]

You are forced to aim at the head on every target because of its awful adms against anything that isn't unarmored, and parries deal with anything that is a chunkier elite.

[mighty mesa]

i am a handmaiden main

[heady quail]

What is the big problem with DS in the hands of newbies? I don't sense any bad habits that could stem from it

[grizzled aspen]

It also forces players learning tknives to actually aim them because taking the time to melee kill 12 scab gunners takes too fucking long.

[grizzled aspen]

Dodge distance.

It has super, super good dodge distance.

And 5 dodges.

[plucky gate]

I have a friend who's new and sucks at melee and i can't convince him to stick with rashad because he feels like he'll die without dueling sword

[grizzled aspen]

Especially so on mk5, as it has 2 stats that scale dodge distance.

[plucky gate]

so yes dueling sword can make people dependant on it

[heady quail]

I did not know that. I don't think I would recognize that and play accordingly even if I knew

[grizzled aspen]

Mk5 can literally go -9 on dodge efficiency and still dodge well.

[tepid sorrel]

    stat_buffs = {
        [stat_buffs.melee_attack_speed] = 0.01,
        [stat_buffs.ranged_attack_speed] = 0.01,
        [stat_buffs.damage] = 0.01,
        [stat_buffs.dodge_speed_multiplier] = 1.005,
        [stat_buffs.dodge_distance_modifier] = 0.005,
        [stat_buffs.dodge_cooldown_reset_modifier] = 0.01,```
per stack of IJ

🙂

[grizzled aspen]

Yay Fatshark backdoor code!

[heady quail]

Oh. Well eventually he'll dare to try something else for the challenge of it

[grizzled aspen]

(half of those buffs are not listed)

[plucky gate]

i think playing whatever is fine as long as you can force yourself to change weapons often enough

[mighty mesa]

before i played zealot, i played psyker, for the like first few weeks, before and after release, and loved the DS4

and when i came back a few weeks back and saw i could use it on my zealot i was coomin

[plucky gate]

just don't stick to one type of weapon because you feel like you're only good at the one thing

[zinc talon]

that's what I'm TALKIN about

[mighty mesa]

POG, so that's why io felt slower when i switched to blazing piety

[zinc talon]

just CRUSHIN this rank 2 I'm babysitting lowbies through

[grizzled aspen]

Why are there so many missing numbers?

[tepid sorrel]

i deleted okri's numbers

[plucky gate]

scoreboard setting to hide 0s

first i've seen anyone use it

[mighty mesa]

god damn, i love the hidden stuff, but i hate it aswell, cause it makes me question myself so much

[spare talon]

i ate okris numbers

[zinc talon]

maybe cuz rolling steel? maybe cuz it was uprising tier?

prolly cuz it was uprising tier.

[heady quail]

Uh those stats are shown by default

[grizzled aspen]

Did they at least taste good?

[mighty mesa]

hmm, good balance is too good not to take right?

[tepid sorrel]

the dodges aren't shown in the tooltip and can be easily overlooked

[grizzled aspen]

Not the dodge distance and recovery stats, no.

[zinc talon]

I wanted to turn my brain off and get some time in with the new relic sword's combos, and the only rolling steel up was a 2

[lean lark]

its good

[zinc talon]

so congratulations lowbies you get me in your squad

apologies will not be forthcoming

[lean lark]

but there are better options (if you havent taken them)

[grizzled aspen]

It depends on your pathing.

[mighty mesa]

god i wish i had 2 extra skillpoints

[grizzled aspen]

If you are pathing like a normal zealout you can afford it just fine.

[heady quail]

Well in the message they sent Discord was showing only the top end of the stats so I thought they were mentioning those specific stats

[tepid sorrel]

why do u add a u to zealot

[grizzled aspen]

Normal being tknives, benediction, chastise, keystone.

[spare talon]

zealout

[grizzled aspen]

Because of the adjective, "zealous."

[tepid sorrel]

yeah but that's not how english works

[grizzled aspen]

It's not "zealos."

[mighty mesa]

pretty basic

[spare talon]

because you kill them with your outward zeal

[tepid sorrel]

we should kill this epic_cole guy i think it would make for a good family bonding experience

[grizzled aspen]

We should kill this Ancient guy, I think it would make for a good family bonding experience.

[tepid sorrel]

i agree

[lean lark]

what weapons are you running

[zinc talon]

Warhammer: 40,000: JRPG Edition

[grizzled aspen]

YEAHHHHHH

[tepid sorrel]

final fantasy 25

[grizzled aspen]

BEEG BONK

[grizzled aspen]

Where the hell is your horde clear?

[zinc talon]

the teammmmm, duhhhh

[mighty mesa]

i dont need to much horde clear

[grizzled aspen]

Malice player. 🫵

[mighty mesa]

nah i generally run damnation/ auric damnation

[grizzled aspen]

Run flamer, you have tknives already.

[plucky gate]

yeah but that's like 0

[grizzled aspen]

Or switch to a different melee.

[lean lark]

drop ij stacks ondodge and enduring faith, 2 free nodes

[stone fern]

no twbs no until death

ngmi... 😭

[grizzled aspen]

This is utter fucking madness.

Do not listen to him.

If you do not run inebriate's poise you are actively fucking yourself on your keystone's usefulness.

[mighty mesa]

yee i know

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177111856813449250/1298248978449563709/togif-4.gif

[lean lark]

or drop good balance since you have enduring faith already

[plucky gate]

honestly dropping twbs isn't that weird anymore, especially on dueling sword

[mighty mesa]

dodging is literally all i do

[grizzled aspen]

And enduring faith is 50% free tdr.

For just playing the game.

[stone fern]

dont drop the dodge one drop the toughness one it doesnt do much

second wind is a lot better

[grizzled aspen]

So wait, what are you even trying to afford, again?

[mighty mesa]

what i am thinking of is if i should drop the 10% atkspeed, but that makes horde clear literally nonexistent

[grizzled aspen]

I don't even remember anymore.

[maiden forge]

I just saw sainted rarity here what?

[lean lark]

mod

[maiden forge]

That’s a thing?

[grizzled aspen]

Mod that makes 500 rating transcendant weapons into a "sainted" variant.

[maiden forge]

Honestly could believe it’s real tbh

[grizzled aspen]

Red weapons at home.

:)

[grizzled aspen]

Dude, the verticality of flamer targeting is real.

It is scary as hell.

[zinc talon]

three. stories.

[maiden forge]

He’s trying to hit that one fucking fly that’s been bothering him

[grizzled aspen]

Anyway, @mighty mesa what are you even trying to afford in your talent tree again?

[mighty mesa]

ngl, the only two nodes i'd want atm, is twbs and AiB

[zinc talon]

through a window

[mighty mesa]

because it feels like it helps alot

like the random boops u get when trying to dodge and such

[grizzled aspen]

Anoint doesn't really help, tbh.

I would definitely take twbs over good balance, though.

[stone fern]

good balance is still good

[grizzled aspen]

You already have more than 50% tdr almost all the time because you have enduring faith.

[mighty mesa]

yeah true

i could forgo the 10% attackspeed, maybe, for good balance if needed in higher havoc maybe

[grizzled aspen]

Good balance is not gonna help you, tbh.

In havocs, I mean.

1 shooter can instant down you even with stacked up buffs.

[mighty mesa]

yeah ive never tested it so i cant refute that

[grizzled aspen]

You have to be hyperaware of your surroundings.

[mighty mesa]

fair

[grizzled aspen]

Oh, and funny thing, crushers and maulers can straight up instantly kill you.

[tepid sorrel]

it does help in havocs

[mighty mesa]

yeee ive noticed that

[plucky gate]

nah, not on dueling sword

[mighty mesa]

sometimes u just go poof

[maiden forge]

No longer downing damn

[plucky gate]

gunners don't even stagger you anymore

[grizzled aspen]

Yes on ds, you do not want to get staggered out of your heavy.

[maiden forge]

Seems funny and agonising

[grizzled aspen]

Gunners arent the issue.

[plucky gate]

taking twbs just for melee stagger that shouldn't even happen isn't worth it

[grizzled aspen]

Fishing for headshots with ds4 is.

[mighty mesa]

its not for gunners, its for the heavies and the random boops one single unit can do, to make u not dodge

[plucky gate]

your melees are fast

[grizzled aspen]

Especially if you are a thrust user.

[sullen eagle]

anyone got a fun build for Chorus

[mighty mesa]

i might switch agile for thrust later on, if i feel like IJ is good enough to keep me goin like handmaiden basically

[grizzled aspen]

Use this.

[zinc talon]

the whole team getting 10% crit is noticable with the right squaddies

[sullen eagle]

what weps

[zinc talon]

Crusher/Bolter/Flamer/Boltpistol

[sullen eagle]

also are knives just the best for zealot

[zinc talon]

oh you meant

[grizzled aspen]

Anything works, but crit weapons are better.

[sullen eagle]

been kinda wanting a break from e m

[lean lark]

they're not

[grizzled aspen]

And yeah, tknives are the best.

[lean lark]

immolation is the best for zealot

[vast basin]

Knives are best

[zinc talon]

shred weapons also fantastic

so chain weapons

[mighty mesa]

its very strong, but mostly its more point efficient

[grizzled aspen]

No they fucking arent. You are insane.

You are literally the only person that believes immolations are better than tknives.

[spare talon]

knives are best

[zinc talon]

stun grenades are pretty awesome, ngl, you just can't rate them in a combat sense

[grizzled aspen]

PLEASE do not misinform based on preference.

[zinc talon]

1 free rescue per use

[grizzled aspen]

It is objective both for pathing and utility that tknives are the best blitz.

[zinc talon]

pair that with holy relic and you've got like 4 rescues in a minute, or one free per minute

[plucky gate]

yeah but dueling sword has good dodges and long range
Shouldn't be getting hit in melee regardless

[sullen eagle]

ive been using knives way too much, i kinda wanna do an actual grenade build

[mighty mesa]

yeah i can agree stunstorms are really nice as a get out of jail free card, but when it comes to combat knives are unmatched

[zinc talon]

stuns are fantastic cuz you just internalize a point at which the fight starts to get a lil fucky

[grizzled aspen]

May I suggest a martyr build that is kind of cursed?

[zinc talon]

the encounter gets a lil threatened

[grizzled aspen]

:)

[sullen eagle]

sure

[zinc talon]

and you pop that as a pressure valve to keep the fight or event in your hands

stun nades are hardly ever 'wasted'

[mighty mesa]

yeah but im half deaf so randomly there's a single dude behind me somehow

[zinc talon]

bonjour

[mighty mesa]

my right ear has been fked since birth

[grizzled aspen]

Before I do, are you confident in playing without twbs?

[tepid sorrel]

😦

[sullen eagle]

twbs?

[zinc talon]

sorry to hear, holes in the tubes or? you prolly don't wanna even

my inner doctor goblin can't be stopped

[grizzled aspen]

Thy wrath be swift, it's stagger immunity from literally everything.

[west tendon]

my knife is it

passable?

[grizzled aspen]

No.

[tepid sorrel]

:(.

[grizzled aspen]

It is awful.

[tepid sorrel]

yeah that hurts

[grizzled aspen]

But you may have just fallen for a noob trap.

And that's fine.

[west tendon]

nah

[grizzled aspen]

Ok then explode.

[plucky gate]

lacerate sucks

[west tendon]

I have done math and

[zinc talon]

pretty numbers are always better than bigger numbers

it's science

[obsidian prairie]

Woah, a stereotype

[west tendon]

lacerate seems better in any real scenarios

[grizzled aspen]

Lacerate with no uncanny is definitely a choice.

[west tendon]

because lacerate will start building the crits quicker

for the zerkin

[grizzled aspen]

Ok, consider this.

[west tendon]

so I can crit more

[grizzled aspen]

Run piety.

:)

[sullen eagle]

yeah tbh im just looking for a semi-standard Fire Grenades/Chorus ubild

[obsidian prairie]

You can already get 100% IoD uptime

With riposte

(I think)

[grizzled aspen]

^

[west tendon]

whats piety?

[grizzled aspen]

Left hand keystone.

[obsidian prairie]

So just

[west tendon]

no

[obsidian prairie]

Run riposte precog

[west tendon]

I am already

piety

I am running piety

shroud piety

[obsidian prairie]

If you are using lacerate for IoD uptime then you can do riposte precog and it does

[grizzled aspen]

Ok, then why are you running lacerate?

[plucky gate]

or, you could run a crit blessing

[grizzled aspen]

You do not need it.

[obsidian prairie]

Literally the same thing

[west tendon]

so i can build piety faster

[obsidian prairie]

What

Huh

This is like

I haven’t seen this one

[plucky gate]

piety will have like 99% uptime anyways

[grizzled aspen]

This is some backwards logic.

[plucky gate]

literally who cares

[west tendon]

enemies dont start with bleed and lacerate is garunteed bleed

like i guess I can run bleed on crit

[obsidian prairie]

I have literally never seen this take

[west tendon]

and use scoruge ?

[grizzled aspen]

Ok so do you understand how scourge works? Genuine question.

[sullen eagle]

also It Is Done (still leveling but got my perfect boyo after like, 200k dockets)

[west tendon]

wait thats still on crit

so I guess I need to hit a crit first

[obsidian prairie]

Knife has 15% innate crit (20% with nothing up due to base crit)

If you run piety you have 30% extra

[plucky gate]

needing to hit a non-weakspot attack is just gonna lose you damage when you consider that knife weakspot damage is actually high

[west tendon]

?

[merry flume]

@sullen eagle congrats gamer

[grizzled aspen]

@west tendon answer me these questions pls:
Do you know how scourge works, correctly?
Do you know your actual crit rate in game?
Do you understand how crit/weakspot perks on your knife work?

[obsidian prairie]

50% crit

[sullen eagle]

also what guns work best with relic? kinda want a break from boltpistol

[west tendon]

I dont run mods

[obsidian prairie]

This is still bad

[west tendon]

also I didnt know weapons can roll stats until 5 minutes ago

[grizzled aspen]

All of this information is obtainable without them.

I am not mocking you, I am attempting to inform you.

[west tendon]

well it feels slighty mocking

[grizzled aspen]

Well I'm sorry you see it that way, I am only trying to help you.

[west tendon]

i just found out these numbers can change

[merry flume]

I like the braced autos

[west tendon]

and peopled yelled at me cuz my sword didnt have enough finesse

I dont even know what finesse means

[sullen eagle]

really wish we had meltas for vet and zealot

[merry flume]

soon ....

[sullen eagle]

would love my funny heat cannon

[grizzled aspen]

I use an agri iag for my ranged option because it destroys shooters and ranged elites that I can't close on due to being slow.

[west tendon]

what blessing should I have tho

for my piety shroudfield knife for stabbing

[plucky gate]

There's an inspect button in the inventory if you wanna see what it does

[grizzled aspen]

Zealout knives want any combination of uncanny strike, precognition, or riposte, depending on preference.

Uncanny helps significantly with armor, but you can always brute force your damage with precog + riposte.

[west tendon]

better?

[grizzled aspen]

Significantly so, yes.

Your perks, btw.

Do you understand how crit damage and weakspot damage perks work?

[obsidian prairie]

Perks should be flak + whatever armor you hate most

[merry flume]

I woke up to my space heaters oscillation motor breaking so it was just pointing at me for six hours. it's so hot and gross in my bedroom rn

[grizzled aspen]

I run flak elites but it's w/e the player feels comfortable running, imo.

[zinc talon]

sorely lacking in free rescues

[obsidian prairie]

Psychic damage

[zinc talon]

otherwise good

[grizzled aspen]

There's a lot going on here that we can help you optimize, if you want.

[zinc talon]

^first and foremost, the rescues

alright I'll shut up

[grizzled aspen]

Your team mom is talking.

:(

scuse me thats the wrong face

:)

Inb4 Cole wall of text.

It's all gonna be run on sentences, too.

:3

[spare talon]

@west tendon it is worth mentioning
knife inherently has 20% crit chance
and piety is 15-25, and triggers really fast already into an engagement
so you can already stack up scourge really without needing anything really
but you can also throw riposte in there to both help it stack up faster, and also have an even higher peak

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1293615088523280416/attachment.gif

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-videl-staring-angry-gif-5555145583474932687

[grizzled aspen]

For numbers,
5% crit base
20% crit from knife
15/25% crit from piety
30% potential crit from scourge
12.5% crit from riposte
You're looking at a staggering potential 92.5% crit chance with all that stacked up.

[spare talon]

20% from riposte

[grizzled aspen]

OH

My numbers must be mixed up.

Oops.

[spare talon]

and its 15% crit from knife with the base of 5% for 20

[grizzled aspen]

Oh.

I thought you were saying the crit on knife was 20% on top of 5% base.

Oops, a second time.

Still, stacking all that junk together is going to get you a 100% crit rate.

[spare talon]

so its a peak of 95% with all of those

[frosty herald]

Cole you are kind of a massive asswipe only letting the power greatsword have 2 weakspot blessings

[grizzled aspen]

Cole is kind of a massive asswipe for allowing relic blade to release with such ass dodges.

:)

[frosty herald]

Put precog and finesse on it🗣️

[spare talon]

it only has one

[grizzled aspen]

It has two!

Cranial and heatsink both!

Goofy!

[frosty herald]

Cleave on crit and cranial

[spare talon]

heatsink doesnt give any sort of damage bonus

[spare talon]

?????

[elfin steppe]

The crit damage is indeed disappointing.

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah but its still considered a weakspot blessing because it requires weakspot hits.

[spare talon]

cleave on crit is just more cleave

that has nothing to do with damage

[merry flume]

my personal opinion is that if you're new at the game just play with whatever combo of weapons and perks until you've gained competency playing the class. worry about efficiency of builds later

[frosty herald]

I wasnt talking damage bonus

But still you give the sword a 1.65x weakspot damage modifier and wont let me boost it

[elfin steppe]

Evi's rev can almost deal 3x crit damage.

[plucky gate]

I would mostly agree but i would still recommend against running lacerate anyways

lacerate is just gonna encourage people to learn how to aim worse

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-chorando-dbz-gif-8026780830888756616

[merry flume]

if you immediately go into a hyper efficient build and weapon combo it will make you learn some nasty habits that won't translate when switching talents, weapons, or classes

[plucky gate]

Aiming for non-weakspot hits is gonna give the worst habits

this isn't even about efficiency. it's just training you to be worse

[modern jasper]

What should I run on a MKIV Chainaxe? I just love how it feels to use

As well as a general build

[merry flume]

both of the power on x talents

[modern jasper]

Not a whole ass build I dont wanna bother yall, just what are the essential perks ya think

[elfin steppe]

Relic blade is decent against any monstrosities except the daemon host due to the low burst damage.

[merry flume]

or one thrust one on hit

[spare talon]

headtaker slaughterer

@modern jasper

[modern jasper]

tysm ❤️

[sullen eagle]

anyone got a fun choir/immolation build

[elfin steppe]

I do hope they rework the talent tree.

[devout flicker]

I agree for the most part but it's still good to let people know about must have blessings like power cycler, brutal momentum etc

[spare talon]

New player? Run vicious slice and thunderstrike on your devils claw, you won't regret it

[elfin steppe]

It really shouldn't be a blessing because the weapon is trash without it.

[devout flicker]

I 100% agree BM and PC should be deleted

Just integrate them into the weapon

[elfin steppe]

If a weapon heavily relies on a single blessing then it is fundamentally bad design.

[devout flicker]

but still this is the game we play so we should not pretend it isn't the way it is to new players

[elfin steppe]

I stopped playing after I finished Havoc.

[devout flicker]

Tbh though I hope they ignore power cycler forever because Vet pswords would be really bad if they performed like relic blades unless FS buffed their unpowered attacks

[grizzled aspen]

???

That's definitely a take.

Power swords would be so much better with a heat mechanic its not even funny.

[winter furnace]

i mean
i can see where they're going with it though

more uptime yes but also more downtime

which would be kinda stinky on a weapon youre supposed to rely on as your only line of defence against a horde

[grizzled aspen]

The bigger issue with introducing the heat mechanic to vet's power sword would be the question of "is fatshark going to make the uncharged damage actually respectable?"

[winter furnace]

oh yeah for sure

if the uncharged damage and cleave was good then it'd work for sure

[grizzled aspen]

Because as it currently stands, it's a fucking paperweight.

[winter furnace]

yeah lol

[meager turret]

It is arguably a weapon when unpowered

[grizzled aspen]

It is definitely something that can be swung at heretics.

[sterile stone]

"I think I'm gonna go to bed to"

Brother

It's almost 6 am

[rain oriole]

this modifiers exist in havoc or its just mined data which not used?

[stone fern]

prolly dev only buffs for when they play malice

[rain oriole]

[sterile stone]

Ew

[sullen eagle]

this look aight

meant to be a more team support pick

[stone fern]

chorus outside of havoc is kinda not really needed

[sullen eagle]

i dont care tbh

i like chorus

i tihnk its a cool ability

i wanna use it more

[stone fern]

id just go smokes if you want utility

sure ofc you are absolutely free to do so

[sullen eagle]

so like this instead?

[stone fern]

i meant stuns instead of chorus

[sullen eagle]

im keeping chorus

[mighty mesa]

this works alot better for me, thank uu

[devout flicker]

That's quite literally what I said

I don't trust FS

[devout flicker]

I would remove the last node of Fury just going left once and use Chorus without any modifiers then reallocate the two here

No clue what you're doing so I won't argue but you could really use that talent over those two

[sullen eagle]

oh ok! im only taking the left tree of piety for the ally buff, so ill just take the first node of right tree instead

im also debating dropping holy revenant?

[devout flicker]

Honestly I have no clue what you're doing without giving me your weapons

Is this for Havoc?

[lethal totem]

what are you trying to run? You're missing a lot of strong nodes

[devout flicker]

If it isn't then you can drop the middle aura

[mighty mesa]

ngl, if maulers/crushers wasnt a thing, i'd prolly use ds5 instead of ds4, because of the mobility

[devout flicker]

Ds5 is very capable on Vet. Can easily 2 tap Crushers with the right nodes with it

[sullen eagle]

i genuinely just wanna run a zealot choir support build

im working around that

[devout flicker]

If it's non Havoc I can whip something up for you. Are the stun nades important to you?

[sullen eagle]

no i'd honestly rather immolation

i was just suggested to take stuns

[devout flicker]

That's actually easier to path

[plucky gate]

duelist wher?

[devout flicker]

I'll make something for ya. Crusher and bistol or something alike since Crusher doesn't need keystone to perform well so you can easily grab it with the left Fury path

[sullen eagle]

didnt the crusher get nerfed to hell

[grizzled aspen]

No.

[lethal totem]

it got a better blessing, its not bad

I take it in aurics sometimes

[devout flicker]

??????

It got buffed to hell

It got Slaughterer blessing in Unlocked and Loaded

[sullen eagle]

i mean that sounds super fun

i havent played in a few updates so

forgive me if im not up to date on balance

tho if possible could i get something other than bolt pistol? been using it a ton lately (relic sword my beloved)

[devout flicker]

I've ran this with Crusher before (Skullcrusher, Slaughterer, Flak + Cara) and gun of your choice. Use push attack -> light spam vs elites smaller than Ogryns and the powered mainly for bulwark shields. It's just enough crit chance to trigger relevant talents and cooldown reduction. Solid build.

[devout flicker]

I think Zealot bistol is Unarmored + Maniac with Puncture and blessing of your choice (Gloryhunter, Run n Gun, Executioner, Lethal Proxy all work) with mobility or reload speed as dump

[sullen eagle]

im asking if i could run something other than bistol

[meager turret]

Love me revolver

Been using it before it was good

[devout flicker]

Ah yeah of course. Anything besides boltgun and flamer since you'd want throwing knives with those

Or assault shotgun but I forgot it exists

[sullen eagle]

Flamer noooooooo

[lethal totem]

flamer is great

[devout flicker]

Flamer is quite good but you really want throwing knives with it

[sullen eagle]

could agripiina shotgun work

[devout flicker]

Some people use boltgun without tknives but I don't recommend it

[devout flicker]

They renamed them I forgot which one that is

Slug?

Uhhh

[lethal totem]

You don't like throwing knives?

[devout flicker]

No Respite and Fullbore

Not sure about perks on Zeal

Probably Flak + Maniac or Flak + Unarmored

[devout flicker]

Oh I love em

[sullen eagle]

Slug yeah

wait i could also use kantrael

would kantrael work

[devout flicker]

Kant is the recommended one actually

[lethal totem]

work for what lol

[devout flicker]

No Respite and Fire Frenzy I think

Flakaniac

[lethal totem]

Like what difficulty are you running?

[devout flicker]

Pop 2 fire shells on Bulwarks or bosses

Kant can work on Auric I've ran it before. Not ammo efficient but it's fine.

Won't do well on Havoc but that's a different story.

No Resp let's you 2 tap relevant things in the game any range

[devout flicker]

I think they're new and not playing into Havoc

Or returning player rather

[spice walrus]

where is budding interrogator title from

[potent shuttle]

So what is considered a "perfect Block" ?

[hoary river]

You can check in game. All the maps I think.

[winter furnace]

i believe it's when you use your special animation and an enemy hits you

[ornate bone]

Blood redemption or scourge?

[winter furnace]

dont quote me on that tho

[lethal totem]

scourge

[grizzled aspen]

Block right before an enemy hits you. Your activation on relic blade counts as blocking.

[potent shuttle]

so when you turn the sword on or off?

[ornate bone]

Disdain also seems nice. I just started playing Zealot and i can already tell the whole dodge and speed path will be very fun

[winter furnace]

basically that yeah

what frog said

[grizzled aspen]

Depends on whether or not you're using piety/crit oriented weapon or not.

[grizzled aspen]

Disdain is a trap talent.

It's every other hit.

[potent shuttle]

thank you @grizzled aspen @winter furnace

[grizzled aspen]

And it does not make stacks when you spend them, if that makes sense.

Like, you get disdain to proc on your first hit, so it applies on your second it, but it will not apply on your third.

[winter furnace]

real

[meager turret]

I am incredibly disappointed by this news

[grizzled aspen]

It is unbelievably dumb that they did not copy paste hard knocks.

Because hard knocks functions on every attack.

So many issues with zealout tree, it's not even funny.

[winter furnace]

wouldnt that mean you get a disdain proc once every 3 swings and not every other swing

[grizzled aspen]

First, third, fifth, seventh, ninth, etc all do not get disdain applied to them

[winter furnace]

icic

yeah that makes sense then

[grizzled aspen]

Second, fourth, sixth, eight, tenth, etc do.

[winter furnace]

we love fatshark

[grizzled aspen]

This is assuming your odd number attacks actually proc it, too.

[meager turret]

Simply attack in even numbers

[grizzled aspen]

It is so fucking underwhelming that it practically has no use.

Anyway, back to doing naked and unloved on mgr.

This title fucking sucks to get.

[winter furnace]

rip

[lethal totem]

I just take everything on the top right except blood redemption then purge the unclean. Its not really well balanced and there's a lot of bad nodes at the top of the zealot tree

[grizzled aspen]

No hp, focus, or weapon upgrades, and you can't buy aux weapons.

The only thing you can do is buy moves.

If you couldn't buy moves then you literally would not be able to finish the game due to Armstrong needing dodges.

[grizzled aspen]

I can go through the entire tree, top to bottom, left to right, and tell you the issues with every node.

Tldr all the good nodes have shit pathing, the rest of the nodes are 50/50 terrible or do not function as advertised.

[winter furnace]

yup

[grizzled aspen]

Like sainted gunslinger is a peak talent, but the talent above it is dogshit and its in a terrible spot.

Massive reload speed after melee kills is so good.

[lethal totem]

there's a lot wrong, taking beacon for the goo modifier feels like I'm wasting like 3 points

[grizzled aspen]

That would be because of shitty talents being in the way of beacon.

[lean lark]

it isnt a waste

[grizzled aspen]

I'm of the opinion that until death should be in the middle, as it is themed with martyrdom.

[lethal totem]

it is

[lean lark]

when you end up saving the entire run

[timid bough]

so, how does this assist player in completing havoc assignment shit work, cuz I've done like 6 havoc missions and I'm at 2

[lean lark]

its worth the cost

[grizzled aspen]

Assisting a player means your rank will rise at the end of the week. Completing your own assignment raises it immediately.

[lean lark]

any havoc that isnt your own and you complete counts for it

[timid bough]

ah

ok

[lethal totem]

I mean I'd like my aura to not have garbage before it, nothing there is useful except for the aura

[potent shuttle]

@grizzled aspen @winter furnace wow, i get the blessing to go off but it doesnt removed 20% of heat, good job fatshark

[timid bough]

so basically matchmake right

[lean lark]

yeah

[grizzled aspen]

Peak! Thank you, obese fish.

[timid bough]

kk ty

[lean lark]

you get soc at least

[grizzled aspen]

We love to see nonfunctional blessings!

[lethal totem]

soc is dogshit

[drowsy steppe]

the change to proccing on health instead of also on toughness

[lean lark]

30% impact strength would be useful if mobs in havoc didnt have increased stagger res

[potent shuttle]

welp, i guess this blessinhg is coming off

[lean lark]

damage reduction poverty

ai director fucked up

all ranged no melee

[silver granite]

can someone recommend a build for havoc zealot with the relic blade?

[potent shuttle]

tried it with a few other enemies, still doesn't work.

[lean lark]

unarmoured is swapped for maniacs,wrath is swapped for leakage, i had this for moebian 21st

[grizzled aspen]

Do standard piety with stalwart, mk10, cranial wrath.

[lean lark]

unarmoured is for moebian 21st

you can swap it for whatever you need the most

for me its usually maniacs

[grizzled aspen]

You want to abuse crit cdr for chorus.

[silver granite]

aren't moebein 21st armoured tho?

[lean lark]

head is unarmoured

[silver granite]

why wrath and rampage?

[lean lark]

highest amount of cleave

and rampage gives dmg too

[silver granite]

why not syphon and overload?

[lean lark]

no syphon due to chorus + good balance, overload is a very bad blessing (it deals like 30dmg)

[silver granite]

ok

can I use bolt pistol instead of purgation flamer?

[lean lark]

yes

[silver granite]

I don't like the flamer

what perks/blessings on ye bolte pistole?

[lean lark]

no clue because i dont use bolt pistol

my apologies

[silver granite]

Is this build usable only in Havoc?

or Auric too?

[lean lark]

interchangeable but less needed

n aurics, chorus and beacon is useless in aurics

[silver granite]

Also what curious?

[lean lark]

17% tough, 5% tough 5% maxhp 20% gunner res *3

[silver granite]

ok

[hoary river]

In your gameplay, do you make sure you're up to a high number of IJ stacks before engaging or it's like whatever?

[lean lark]

im always at high ij stacks because im running 24/7

thrust attack on the relic blade is just that good

[ornate bone]

So what ways can i play Zealot? I am trying out the knives and i don't like them that much. I'd prefer it more if i played come type of crowd or area control with a flamer

[winter furnace]

i mean that is soemthing you can do

[ornate bone]

I just really like playing on higher diffs more and i don't wanna get clapped

[winter furnace]

i mean flamer is good

but having knives helps flamer alot so

[ornate bone]

Yeah, cause you don't have a way to deal with ranged threats

If you only have flamer

[winter furnace]

and reload animation cancelling iirc

[frozen trench]

And it’s stylish to kill people with a flick headshot with a throwing knife

[winter furnace]

yeah true

[robust zephyr]

Think the most straightforward way to play Zealot is the charge blitz, if you want fire for style I'd generally go for the grenade instead. Having an offhand firearm to kill specials and such at range makes the flamer as such really unappealing to me.

[frozen trench]

Relish in skill expression and style points

[ornate bone]

I am on controller and i can't go for much style sadly

[frozen trench]

Dang

[winter furnace]

are you on playstation?

[ornate bone]

Throwing the knife is the bottom button on the D pad

[frozen trench]

Immolation nades then

[robust zephyr]

The knives are prolly pretty bad on controller tbh

[ornate bone]

You know how akward that is?

But i like fire more

[frozen trench]

I can imagine

[ornate bone]

Immolation grenades with some type of bolt weapon?

[tepid path]

immolation grenades dont scale

they fall off hard after malice

[frozen trench]

I find they help with elite swarms as you pick them with melee

[ornate bone]

My OG idea was immolation grenades, bolt pistol and Eviscerator, but that's just what sounds cool to me and has no basis on what's strong and what's not

[frozen trench]

It’s something

[winter furnace]

i mean that setup can work probably

[frozen trench]

*but that’s just what sounds cool to me. End it there

[winter furnace]

bolt pistol and evisc are strong, there's not much that's plainly bad in this game methinks

[frozen trench]

There’s optimized, and there’s something that you’ll explore and develop game knowledge and skill expression

[ornate bone]

I am also a masochist who also only like playing Auric Maelstroms

[frozen trench]

Yeah, bolt pistol and eviscerator aren’t bad

[ornate bone]

Same with Helldivers. I only like playing on Super Helldive

[frozen trench]

Immolation nades have that issue where you need to grab grenade pickups

[ornate bone]

Once you get a hit of the chaos, you can't go back

[frozen trench]

You’ll be competing with the ogyrns big grenade

[ornate bone]

Yeah i noticed that i am not a Veteran anymore with demo team and nade recharge

[frozen trench]

Which is more useful than your immolation nades

[winter furnace]

sadly yeah zealot nades othe than knife kinda smelly

[frozen trench]

Basically give prio to ogyrn frag bomb then if there’s extra pick ups go for it

[ornate bone]

That's fine, i am just spoiled by veteran

[frozen trench]

Get used to using your immo nades carefully as you might not get a pick up for a while

Rely on melee and ranged usefulness

[ornate bone]

So what i am thinking of doing then is Eviscerator, bolt pistol, the ability where i pull out the icon and push everyone back and as for the rest, we'll see

[frozen trench]

Solid, eviscerator has good blessings and perks, bolt pistol is good for specialists which is my only use case for them

25% Maniac and Puncture on the bolt pistol will 1-2 shot any priority targets, specialist/elite/flak is the other perk

Run and gun is a good blessing, puncture, and lethal proximity

I do not like waiting between shoots with surgical

Run and gun is good for tighter spread with hip fire where you can just snipe with it and not deal with ads recoil jumping

Sprint fire is useful too

[ornate bone]

I'll give it a go. Thanks, I'll focus on having more fun with this than try harding like my Veteran build

[frozen trench]

Zealot has low skill floor and high skill ceiling

Very skill expressive class

It flows smooth

[winter furnace]

true

what youre most comfortable with will typically be what you operate best with even if theres 'better' options in theory methinks which is why i like zealot so much compared to the other classes

[dusty scaffold]

Hey for the zealot I'm using the combat blade Mk III. What blessings and perks should I be using for it?

[lean lark]

yeah but objectively relic blade fucking rocks

[stuck dagger]

This is a really off tangent question and I’m really sleep deprived so anyways like
I got back on my 4th play through of Baldurs gate 3, just reached act 2, met that group of Harpers that you encounter at the start of act 2 where if you save they bring you to last light inn, isn’t the lady leader of that group of harpers yknow. The female agitator zealot voice actress

[drowsy steppe]

no its kagha that has the same va as fem agitator

[hushed knoll]

Everyone should main vet

[stuck dagger]

No shot

[frozen trench]

Vet for ranged skill, zealot for melee skill, and psyker for survival skills

[stuck dagger]

For real? I couldn’t tell xddddd

[frozen trench]

Kill specialists before they are a problem is something I learned by playing vet

[drowsy steppe]

yea they both is voiced by Clare Corbett

[drowsy steppe]

naaah

[stuck dagger]

I know female cutthroat voices night song

[drowsy steppe]

zealot objectively best to play

[celest quail]

my lovely sweats, whats the max havoc lvl?

[lean lark]

40

[celest quail]

ty

[drowsy steppe]

huh never knew that

[stuck dagger]

Yeah female savant is in bg3 too, somewhere

She’s not using her aggressively French accent so I can’t tell

And of course sienna’s voice actor is the nurse from that one area

Wait a sec sienna’s voice actress voices Vlaakith???

Damn

[hard nexus]

uncanny fleshtearer, precog riposte, uncanny precog/riposte

carapace, unyielding, or flak for perks

uncanny fleshtearer is for a crit build, as uncanny buffs your bleed damage

precog riposte is just solid all around

uncanny is too

[frozen trench]

Love precog riposte knife

I should do a Martydom build for it, but it uses blazing piety too well

IJ is hyper mobility survival clutch with the knife

IJ increases dodge range, dodge speed and dodge count reset speed

[dusty scaffold]

Thank you

[rocky nacelle]

uncanny/precog best all rounder

[merry flume]

haymaker executor

🧠

[lean lark]

clandestium....

[sullen forge]

🗣️

Let him cook

[rocky nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/147401990148718593/1166348416138366996/never-cook-again.gif?ex=654a299c&is=6537b49c&hm=8f42e6edb281e8e512d1a8145d7b873c99389d9827a6c7e8b02a4ffcbf24a676&

[frozen trench]

Lmao, I played an auric maelstrom with my friends last night on that map, we all got the rushes of, ITS SO OVER, WE ARE SO BACK

[light badge]

Patiently waiting for someone better than me to do a H40 with no Chorus, smokes, or bubble

[frozen trench]

that’s peak darktide right there

[hard nexus]

smite!

[frozen trench]

https://tenor.com/view/allow-us-to-introduce-ourselves-veggietales-veggie-larry-the-cucumber-bob-the-tomato-gif-21074601

[rocky nacelle]

I see shriek being the secondary replacement in H40 if someone wanted that challenge

I however

[desert spear]

I have yet to play havoc

[frozen trench]

Green ragers be like

[rocky nacelle]

do not see someone playing H40 with Scriers

though I would like to

[desert spear]

is it harder than the god damn auric maelstrom they made me do to unlock it

[sullen forge]

I don’t see many players doing H40 without VERY specific set ups

[frozen trench]

Yeah

[sullen forge]

Besides idgaf what people say I think 40 is a means justify the ends type difficulty where you literally see the objective change to survive

[rocky nacelle]

shut up noob

[sullen forge]

Yeah okay damage farming noob

[light badge]

I watched a psyker perspective yesterday of one of Tanner's runs and had to mute it because Tanner just yaps that much

[rocky nacelle]

mad i damage farm better than vet?

[sullen forge]

True solo SG H40 right now

[rocky nacelle]

being a krakker wont save you this time

[sullen forge]

Or you’re trash

[rocky nacelle]

gunker superiority

noob

[light badge]

"you need to do what I say when I say it" - Tanner before the first Medicae

[sullen forge]

True solo H40 with Scriers right now

[sullen forge]

Look on higher difficulties I just try to inform what the fuck is going on but I assume it’s not like a

Oh watch out there’s a hound

It’s a listen to me or you’re throwing

[rocky nacelle]

me being not in a single vc in a 4 stack

and winning

[desert spear]

I don’t know how people can play like that I can barely speak when playing high difficulty games

[light badge]

This was literally what all of his calls sound like lol

[polar nexus]

Real chads don't use VC

[desert spear]

yeah, me and my homies commune through psychic link

[light badge]

Spam ping the giant pack of shotgunners > vc call outs

[polar nexus]

Don't you?

[desert spear]

run in blindly and deal with your own mess >>>>

gotten me out of 98% scenarios doing this

whats a daemonhost?

[rocky nacelle]

or just ping 3 of them then start killing them >>>>

[polar nexus]

Actually it's way faster for me to spam focus the threats and take care of the rest than talking

[light badge]

The 2%

[rocky nacelle]

you know psyker mains

spam ping you to kill something for them because they get 1-2 shotted

nooblets

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar nexus]

Interestingly I had good psykers lately

[desert spear]

I used to hate psyker mains

because they blow themselves up

so often

[sullen forge]

I literally only do call outs in VC when it’s something important or a warning cause I mean like some people still genuinely don’t know all the sounds of every enemy

[desert spear]

thankfully I’ve been gracefully gifted bubble shields and the hatred is cleansed

[polar nexus]

Interestingly too the moment I stop spamming voc and dies the team falls apart

[rocky nacelle]

me not hearing the sounds of every enemy because my spotify is 100%

[desert spear]

Spotify for darktide

tsh

[rocky nacelle]

(still somehow have better awareness)

[desert spear]

shame

[polar nexus]

Bubble is clearly lowering the difficulty

[desert spear]

So is like

using your weapons

everything lowers the difficulty if you think about it

like literally stop shooting enemies, it’s easy mode.

[rocky nacelle]

tanner lowers my brain cells

thats the real difficulty

[polar nexus]

No I mean in a very discernable way

[rocky nacelle]

finishing a tanner video is the ultimate challenge

[polar nexus]

I did some runs without the bubble and it was night and day

[merry flume]

any friends gaminng

[sullen forge]

Work 😦

[merry flume]

wait i should make a bowl of cinnamon toast crunch

[rocky nacelle]

i need to havoc grind to 30+

[merry flume]

same

[rocky nacelle]

looks like I know what we're doing today ferb

[sullen forge]

Ditto

[polar nexus]

The real difficulty is the tanners we made on the way

[sullen forge]

I’m down to do havoc runs when I’m home

[merry flume]

me when i play havoc with a class i'm learning how to play again and i still do better than people

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-i-know-what-were-gonna-do-today-i-know-what-were-going-to-do-today-gif-27359053

[desert spear]

yet to try havoc because my ass has 0 friends

[polar nexus]

Just use the party finder

[polar nexus]

I was rejected a bunch of time until it was better

[rocky nacelle]

ts is gas

[sullen forge]

And get gate kept cause you’re not H40 True Survivor yet?

Lmao

[polar nexus]

Well I am joining 20+ teams ATM. I don't think they look at my true lvl

[desert spear]

yeahh, but I still have under 50hrs and the auric damnation maelstrom trial mission was a real struggle. I feel like I’d be a burden if I tried havoc

[sullen forge]

Hilarious how Cole got that and he can slip into any havoc game easily but everyone else is getting flashbanged with Declines

[desert spear]

mind you, the auric maelstrom was hard because of shitty teammates but I died occasionally

[polar nexus]

It depends on the team you had too but yeah maybe a bit more experience

[desert spear]

I don’t think im terrible but I don’t think im like super cracked

I’d probably do well in havoc with good team coordination but alone I’d probably fumble something

I’m good at the fighting just not the strategy, best spots to stand, priority targets, etc

[polar nexus]

The good news is that havoc will teach you to keep coherency and be afraid of shooters

[merry flume]

the blueberry one is so good too

[paper pine]

Why does everlasting flame have no level scaling? Is this intended? Would he nice to have +1 -> 5% crit chance

[desert spear]

im already afraid of the shooters

gunners and shotgunners are still like my no.1 threat

[merry flume]

the worst thing is being targeted by any type of shooter and your teammates don't kill it because it's not actively shooting them

noobs....

that's why i like playing psyker now, always a reason to shoot stragglers

[rocky nacelle]

ooo i aint seen that 1

might have to try

also I see you've met the same conundrum I have on psyker victuals

(when you're accidentally smacking shit harder than people who main it)

🤭

[merry flume]

me when i start shooting blue highlighted enemies with mkx laspistol and now i can almost oneshot scab ragers

[desert spear]

so like, what is havoc. Is it just Auric missions but they get harder the more you beat them?

[polar nexus]

You should look at those videos:https://youtu.be/tZBDmeMLjfQ?si=-NEJpKZtzIaN13nz

[heady rapids]

have you played vermintide 2

[desert spear]

yes

thousand hours

I love vermintide

[heady rapids]

picture deeds

[desert spear]

oh shit

[heady rapids]

like you do 40 increasingly difficult deeds

[desert spear]

this game

[merry flume]

havoc is just regular missions but now it can bleed into cata diffuculty

[desert spear]

needs a chaos waste modes

[polar nexus]

0-10 malice / 10-20 is heresy / 20+ is damn

[heady rapids]

but they also have unlisted negative modifiers

[polar nexus]

And the modifiers become worse every lvl

[desert spear]

ahhh okay

[heady rapids]

like -hp -toughness

-ammo gain

[light badge]

Erm, typo spotted

[desert spear]

I was expecting it to just be like.
Super damnation 300 shock trooper gauntlet stacked modifiers

[polar nexus]

Yeah you can check on steam there's a guide for that

[heady rapids]

it's basically that in practice

cause elite count is increased

[merry flume]

the average darktide tryhard would quit if this was in havoc

[rocky nacelle]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jeYh3kcpHFUoIb7_C?invite=cr-MSxvMUMsMzAyNTAyNTYyLA

[desert spear]

oh

[light badge]

@desert spear

[desert spear]

oh right

[heady rapids]

these do NOTHING RRRAGGHH

[merry flume]

hi hahnda

[desert spear]

erm, don’t die

[light badge]

Hello Victuals

[desert spear]

easy solution

[desert spear]

the first rule of warfare is not getting hit

[merry flume]

LMAO

imagine

[rocky nacelle]

kino

[dense field]

that's just twins hard mode

[rocky nacelle]

twins hard mode is piss easy

lmfao

[desert spear]

I was so cracked at vermintide

[dense field]

it is

[desert spear]

but that’s because I had warrior priest

[polar nexus]

Tbh shooters are fucking massive pain

[desert spear]

if warrior priest was in darktide I would be saved

[merry flume]

warrior priest was so fun

[heady rapids]

cata 3 dwons twitch b2b

[merry flume]

2h hammer on saltz is actually broken

[desert spear]

I love reviving allies with the shield that super buffed them

like

[rocky nacelle]

Inquisitor Martyr and ARPG enemy buffs would murder the darktide casual @merry flume

[desert spear]

go, do a crime

energy

[plucky sparrow]

Guys, what if we had tzeentch twins modifier

[merry flume]

actual free "get out of jail" card

[rocky nacelle]

shit some ARPG enemy buffs would murder even darktide tryhards

arpgs can get fucked up

[plucky sparrow]

Make a random poxwalker burst into two plogryns

[merry flume]

never played it

[heady rapids]

We have it

[merry flume]

fun?

[heady rapids]

Just not on live

[rocky nacelle]

yeah its hella fun

[desert spear]

oh, don’t forget that warrior priest could like

[rocky nacelle]

there are 3 starting classes and 2 are dlc

[desert spear]

regain health

[plucky sparrow]

Why not live :(

[desert spear]

without any items

[heady rapids]

At this point it's 90% happening

[rocky nacelle]

3 sub classes per actual character class, so thats 5 classes and 3 subclasses within

[plucky sparrow]

Don’t forget the fact he could self revive off his own downed dmg originally

[heady rapids]

roaming scab captains were in game and working for a year 🙂

[rocky nacelle]

diablo warhammer 40k is pretty good

[merry flume]

heres my hot take for the day : temp hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>poop from a butt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>toughness

[desert spear]

temp hp was awesome

[plucky sparrow]

It creates the same problem but temp hp was a more rad way of doing it

[desert spear]

darktide is great but it will never best vermintide I love vermintide

[heady rapids]

as for twins? probably gonna end up being a havoc exclusive

[rocky nacelle]

havoc has mentally fractured the psykers, they are taking HP now

[merry flume]

why

[desert spear]

darktide NEEDS CHAOS WASTES GAMEMODE

[rocky nacelle]

something something "we only have like 100 toughness or less on havoc 40"

so they take HP

to avoid getting 1 shotted

by modifiers

[merry flume]

emperors fading light 2 gives full toughness stack psyker like 100 right LMAO

[plucky sparrow]

It’s pain 😭

[rocky nacelle]

I had 100 tougness as psyker at like

[merry flume]

ghost

[rocky nacelle]

havoc 23-24

lmfao

[plucky sparrow]

It gets worse

[merry flume]

just crit all the time and never get hit by ranged

[rocky nacelle]

it gets better

ill be on in a sec if you wanna just duo party finder @merry flume

[desert spear]

anyway I made this. I don’t know if it’s good. but it’s very fun
bleed crit stealth build with bolt pistol and combat knife

[merry flume]

yerp

[plucky sparrow]

Oh yea how do you guys like the random overhead literately evaporating you from existence

[rocky nacelle]

doesnt happen to me

cant relate yet

[heady rapids]

2 cdr is crazy work

not picking duelist and until death is a big no no though

[plucky sparrow]

I dodged into a singular poxwalker and just folded😭

[desert spear]

I get my ability back so fast its wild

[merry flume]

zealot chat tryhards will pick this apart but i say it's viable (zealot is so op you have to be brain dead to do bad with any talent setup)

[rocky nacelle]

id replace the 2 nodes leading into backstab CDR for second wind and thats about it

everything else works/is fine

i just do not like backstab cdr

cuz its inconsistent at worst

[dense field]

why do you hate toughness

[desert spear]

because it requires getting hit

[rocky nacelle]

and pretty good at best

[plucky sparrow]

Who needs toughness smh

[merry flume]

download the backstab cursor mod so you know for sure when it's proccing

[rocky nacelle]

oh thats a thing

thats interesting

[merry flume]

yeah came out like 4 days ago

[desert spear]

PlayStation

[merry flume]

im sorry gamer

[desert spear]

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/shinji-shinji-ikari-ikari-shinji-ikari-nge-gif-24023562

[desert spear]

yeah

[rocky nacelle]

sorry for your loss

[desert spear]

I used to play on pc

like

a year ago

[merry flume]

honestly i would love to play darktide with the dynamic triggers

[desert spear]

but my pc broke down

[rocky nacelle]

you think your controller light turns purple

[desert spear]

coming back on PlayStation is like

[rocky nacelle]

when you get max corrupted

[polar nexus]

Whhhat

[dense field]

it's joever

[desert spear]

https://tenor.com/view/toji-rise-the-one-who-left-it-all-behind-and-his-overwhelming-intensity-gif-2834218937980951178

[desert spear]

dynamic triggers are actually such a fucking curse

they’re only good for story games

[polar nexus]

It requires dodging. Also immonades are kinda mid and the way to get there is bad. And no Crit Dr too?

[desert spear]

they get annoying. FAST

[merry flume]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/443

[rocky nacelle]

thats useful

[desert spear]

whaat

I love the immolation grenades

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-y-jerry-tom-and-jerry-meme-sad-cry-gif-4711801571749206443

[desert spear]

saved me from so many sticky situations

[rocky nacelle]

(even though I barely go for backstabs even when pathing to IJ)

lmao

[merry flume]

immos go hard

[desert spear]

I don’t use the throwing knives, cause it’s hard to aim on controller and the grenade button is DOWN ON THE DPAD so I have to stop moving to throw knives

[rocky nacelle]

the only thing I can see to change your build is just take duelist (cause you have shroud)

[desert spear]

and stun grenades are okay

[rocky nacelle]

and shroud + duelist = war crimes dmg

[desert spear]

but im sick of using them

[polar nexus]

Ohhh controller? Ok yeah...

[merry flume]

i used to use this on knife with a backstab stealth build and it was actually fun

[desert spear]

because I was doing control crowds for 3 days

[merry flume]

but it was before they fixed backstabs

[heady rapids]

don't stop moving just claw grip it

[merry flume]

haven't tried since lmao

[rocky nacelle]

blessing 10x better with the mod now

(its still mid)

[desert spear]

still, very inconvenient to do

[merry flume]

yeah but it feels good to use

[rocky nacelle]

unironically

[merry flume]

knowing your backstab is gonna do max damage

nut

[rocky nacelle]

taking that blessing puts you into the spy tf2 playstyle

backstab fishers

[desert spear]

is duelist the dodge damage?

I don’t have the names memorised

[merry flume]

byeah

[polar nexus]

Yeah

[rocky nacelle]

dodge for like 50% increase to weakspot/crit hit dmg

yea

good on shroud

[desert spear]

right I’ll grab that

[rocky nacelle]

big burst

[merry flume]

dodge and now you can oneshot most enemies for 2 seconds

[desert spear]

it’s just hard to tell when im actually dodging attacks

[merry flume]

hmmm

it makes the quick whoosh dound

[rocky nacelle]

buffs will pop up but usually you hear a whoosh

SFX

[desert spear]

I do dodge like passively like I did in vermintide, dodging left to right while crowd clearing

[rocky nacelle]

i never played VT

but I do that also

LOL

[merry flume]

you gotta backdodge a lil bit more in darktide

[desert spear]

It’s muscle memory

[rocky nacelle]

guess its just a tide thing to do

[merry flume]

but dodge dancing side to side still works

[desert spear]

I do that too

it’s just like, left and right

[merry flume]

maybe in more of a cresent moon shape

[desert spear]

to clear the most area

Whatever’s most convenient works

[merry flume]

to take advantage of backstab

yeyeyeyeye

[desert spear]

Still want that

god damn space marine tide game

[rocky nacelle]

yea I havent played VT1/2 but dodging sideways or moving and dodging while meleeing

just made sense

ig

[desert spear]

space marine 2 didn’t fill that hole

[merry flume]

i got good enough to solo games just to grief tryhards and stall their games

i dont regret it

[heady rapids]

space marine was great but replayablity is not there yet

[rocky nacelle]

stalling the smiteker long enough he leaves

[desert spear]

space marine content drought rn

[heady rapids]

it's getting an update on the 10th??

[merry flume]

stalling in darktide is so much harder because disablers are so much more bullshit

except the hook rat

fuck that guy.

[desert spear]

yeah but the entire month before was nothing

and the game doesn’t have much content as is, like, 50 hours worth

[rocky nacelle]

alright brb and ill hop on

[merry flume]

hook rats had some bonkers ass ranged damage reduction because i specifically remember getting a hitmarker with bounty hunters ult