best zealot gun? flamer
#zealot-class
lean lark
gleaming furnace
Recon, revolver, bolter, flamer, bistol
fast iron
it depends on what you want your gun to do
gleaming furnace
^
lean lark
almost anything works as a gun for zealot
fast iron
when do you want to pull out your gun instead of stabbing someone with your preferred melee weapon
lean lark
even recon
midnight quest
it depends on what you want your *gun* to do
purge heretics
midnight quest
the ones it can't reach
fast iron
ok. Then you want a long range gun. Revolver works well, and is a classic for deleting specials. Bolt pistol is a general all pistol gun that takes a bit to swap to.
midnight quest
I have a range of melee weapons. thammer, shiv, crusher, relic blade, all maxed
liking relic blade the most right now
fast iron
You'd probably want to avoid recon lasguns, as they have somewhat nasty falloff and... one of the classes I forgot which is not very good against flak armor.
And of course the silly option: can zealot use the helbore lasgun?
gleaming furnace
Recon sucks on carapace if you’re not a vet but it fucks on everything else
midnight quest
as mentioned I've been enjoying laspistol, and maybe I'm just looking for something that isn't there
fast iron
midnight quest
And of course the silly option: can zealot use the helbore lasgun?
sadly not
fast iron
dang.
midnight quest
having more melee on your ranged is always good
gleaming furnace
And of course the silly option: can zealot use the helbore lasgun?
fast iron
also make it a gunchainsword
fast iron
Recon on zealot…
as a backup gun meh?
oh, laspistol is a frequent favorite, i must say i do like it on psyker too
midnight quest
but yeah, laspistol seems decent enough to me. immediately ready when switching to it, good enough power and ammo economy, has access to ghost so rooms full of ranged enemies aren't an issue
sullen forge
Just don’t you’ll vacuum ammo that your team could be using
fast iron
laspistol or revolver is great if you want mobility that your melee weapon doesn't have
fast iron
Just don’t you’ll vacuum ammo that your team could be using
then the team should pick up the goddamn ammo then
lean lark
but yeah, laspistol seems decent enough to me. immediately ready when switching ...
laspistol very good
midnight quest
I should switch back to the light variant of the laspistol tho. has much better ammo economy
lean lark
doesnt need changing as long as your melee handles everything close range
midnight quest
it for sure does
fast iron
First off, there are ammo wasting shame lines for a reason. Most people respect those IMO and chill out the ammo pickups if they hear them directed at them.
midnight quest
relic blade is nuts
fast iron
Second, if you are picking a weapon as a backup weapon
lean lark
yeah relic blade is very very good
fast iron
why do you think the backup weapon is going to hoover up all the ammo?
in fact, a backup weapon that only needs to be used when the veteran or psyker is bad at their job 
spare dome
its super easy to hold the trigger down on recons and suddenly be out of 100 ammo
lean lark
laspistol is very good tho, especially on veteran 
spare dome
not impossible to counteract obviously
but that's what i see a lot of
some people need the smaller mag of the vraks to keep them in check lol
fast iron
tbh i like recon lasgun because it has ridiculous ammo efficiency it feels like
spare dome
ye im a big fan
fast iron
....and also because there is a special joy in seeing it fire. Every. Single. Time.
that torrent of red is so good
midnight quest
mkx laspistol has 27/162 ammo for a total 37989 damage
mkii laspistol has 36/252 ammo for a total 35712 damage
huh. turns out heavy variant was the way to go after all
fast iron
huh. turns out heavy variant was the way to go after all
to me it is preference, mostly cause they feel very different. I prefer the heavy one because I'm han solo 
...also because I like the revolver too and the heavy lasgun can double tap what might need a triple tap for the other one.
lean lark
yeah mk10 is the better laspistol
mk2 is good for ghost shenanigans (requires good aim)
midnight quest
the nubmers feel somewhat odd
frozen trench
MK 2 relic sword is like, my new favourite weapon
Crusher is now in the 2nd place slot
midnight quest
considering the ammo consumption and damage totals, it feels as though mkx got a random damage boost
frozen trench
But anyone got the science adjustments of perks, dump stat, blessings on the relic sword?
midnight quest
yes because it consumes 3 ammo opposed to 2
but it's even more than that third point of ammo warrants
frozen trench
Heat management dump over mobility insane to consider or is the increase of mobility between 60-80% in sprint speed and dodge range not worth it
midnight quest
with mkii dealing 124 per shot at 2 ammo, it can be assumed the base value is 62 per point of ammo
with mkx consuming 3, it would be reasonable for it to deal 186 a shot
but it's all the way up at 201
spare dome
but missing or not landing that headshot with the X really hurts
you feel it
the follow up takes longer to come and youre very aware of the ammo cost
midnight quest
and yeah, while that is true, you do get a significant amount of leeway with mkx considering the total damage values
hollow yew
What is the Relic Blade dump stat? Only really a Psyker player but wanna try it out XD
spare dome
heat
lean lark
mobility
frozen trench
It’s heat?
hollow yew
Ah fun, literally my first purchase
spare dome
heat is less than one second of difference between 60 and 80
frozen trench
What’s the benefits of heat dump over mobility
spare dome
your blessing choices is whatll really help heat management
frozen trench
Is there more heat generated per attack for the purposes of having energy leakage build up?
midnight quest
you have a whole 2277 more damage total on mkx. if you miss 11 shots out of your total 189, you're still outdamaging a mkii with perfect hit rate
spare dome
i need a code diver to tell me that, i still dunno if heat mod affects the cost per attack
but the gain is incredibly negligible
gleaming furnace
Does cranial grounding work ?
spare dome
yea as stated
hollow yew
What is the difference in the marks?
spare dome
if you want damage though rampage is better, if you wanna manage heat then heatsink is better
cranial lands far between both but it is an all in one blessing
gleaming furnace
Ok ima take it off and see if it makes a difference cus tbh it feels like it’s doing nothing at all
midnight quest
What is the difference in the marks?
on melee weapons it's different movesets
on ranged weapons it's lighter/heavier variants
fast iron
i need a code diver to tell me that, i still dunno if heat mod affects the cost ...
uhhhsec i think that's usually pretty easy to check
hollow yew
on melee weapons it's different movesets
on ranged weapons it's lighter/heavier ...
Oh I know that, I specifically meant with Relic blade
midnight quest
Oh I know that, I specifically meant with Relic blade
mkx
light sequence: vanguard/vanguard/strikedown
heavy sequence: strikedown/strikedown/vanguard/vanguard
mkii
light sequence: strikedown/strikedown/vanguard
heavy sequence: vanguard/vanguard/strikedown/strikedown
they're exact opposites on the moveset
midnight quest
yes, that's why you typically shoot for 60 on that
hollow yew
Even with dodge limit?
fast iron
i need a code diver to tell me that, i still dunno if heat mod affects the cost ...
overheat_overtime for overheat_percent, overheat_swing for overheat_percent, and overheat_decay for auto_vent_duration
hollow yew
I was like "Wow this does jack shit against carapace"
"Oh yeah, power sword"
I really am not a zealot player XD
ornate bone
Question from an absolute noob zealot: Blazing Piety or IJ when running slower weapons? I'd like to use chorus. Any build recommendations? Feel free to dm me
vast basin
I mean the sprint poke can onehit crushers with fotf
frozen trench
Attack speed and dodge range from IJ goes hog wild
spare dome
overheat_overtime for overheat_percent, overheat_swing for overheat_percent, and...
overheat_swing must be the cost per swing
hollow yew
fotf?
spare dome
is there a range there?
fast iron
uhhhhh
fast iron
the charge trait template has a max of 1 and a min of 0
which is the same as for the plasma gun?
frozen trench
The stacks of IJ increase dodge range, dodge count reset time per stack
fast iron
oh right also
spare dome
the charge trait template has a max of 1 and a min of 0
can you search for overheat_swing then and see what the base value is
frozen trench
And dodge speed I believe?
fast iron
haha relic sword is ludicrously shorter than the force sword hahaaaaaa ahem sorry uh
vast basin
Like if you compare heavy sword to relic sword the armor damage is on another level
south folio
midnight quest
playing around with relic mkii now and I feel like it's actually the preferable moveset
spare dome
you can actually fight crushers with it
spare dome
perfect??
fast iron
0 to 100% at a guess
frozen trench
playing around with relic mkii now and I feel like it's actually the preferable ...
There’s more skill expression with it to weave combos for what you need
fast iron
oh
midnight quest
it's not that, they're the same combos across both of them
fast iron
oh you might be using a similar formula to psykers for that
midnight quest
just flipped based on what you're fighting
fast iron
lerp_basic = 0.65,
lerp_perfect = 0.25,
}``` this is for the two handed warp sword special, by the wayAlso I prefer of having the two fast light attacks that can be instantly restarted with a insta block that doesn’t even start the animation
vast basin
What does the perfect value represent? Weakspot hits?
midnight quest
but I feel having strikedown initiators on light and sweep initiators on heavy is preferable
considering you often need to do a quick single target strike for specials, and you always have plenty of time to start a heavy when it comes to groups
frozen trench
but I feel having strikedown initiators on light and sweep initiators on heavy i...
Push attack, light, into heavy is my go to, going back to light into heavy is a chain loop for sweeps
spare dome
what does perfect mean!!!
frozen trench
I hate charging heavies and how slow it makes you
south folio
What does the perfect value represent? Weakspot hits?
basically lerp_basic and lerp_perfect are the lower and upper bounds of the scaling as far as i can tell
vast basin
Ahhh
frozen trench
I need slippery mobility to weave my swings
fast iron
lerp is a fancy programmer term for a line between two points :p
spare dome
so its unrelated to shlerp
south folio
so it presumably starts from 10% and then scales down to 3% heat? but that didn't make sense when i was testing
shlerp
spare dome
i was mislead
south folio
whether it uses the overheat_swing there i don't know since I'd have to read the other stuff and I'm not sure how to wrap my head around that
fast iron
4.4% heat at 80%, 5.8% heat at 60%. i think
vast basin
Yeah 80% stat would leave you at like 4-5%
fast iron
full all of it btw
frozen trench
4.4% heat at 80%, 5.8% heat at 60%. i think
spare dome
so 22 vs 17 swings but thats not taking the passive heat into account
frozen trench
so 22 vs 17 swings but thats not taking the passive heat into account
Less swings to stack up energy leakage lets go
vast basin
Huh so it vents faster at lower heat?
fast iron
passive heat is 0.05 to 0.03. it is, as you said, very miniscule.
placid fiber
So... what do you all think of something that I would like to label as "Samurai Faries"?
spare dome
this just affirms my belief in heatsink for heat management tbh
south folio
heatsink has an unlisted caveat that it only works at full effectiveness when you're locked out, if you're not aware
otherwise, it only reduces 2.5% heat over 3 seconds
spare dome
i was not but it did seem funky
and yet it sitll got better results for me than cranial
fast iron
Huh so it vents faster at lower heat?
lerp is funny and lets you set up 'reverse curves' for thsi sort of thing.
spare dome
cranial was only competitive if i turned it on with full stacks ready
plus super quick venting if you do have it off
midnight quest
so far I'm seeing
overheads with repeating light/heavy
heavy strikedowns, start with light and then loop heavies
group clearing, start with heavy, then loop heavy/light
group clearing (fast startup) with push attack, heavy, heavy, loop light/heavy
grand tangle
and yet it sitll got better results for me than cranial
this. heatsink still drops cooldown times significantly more than cranial
spare dome
just need to crit or headshot kill, very easy to trigger
midnight quest
pretty versatile moveset
fast iron
also the reason afaik for the 80% limit is because of 'overdrives' that can boost a stat as much as 20%. which
was not actually released
frozen trench
so far I'm seeing
overheads with repeating light/heavy
heavy strikedowns, start ...
Light 1 light 2 into heavy uppercut is god tier
fast iron
nah. It looked more like tweaking a weapon to get a bonus to one stat at a penalty to the other.
frozen trench
The uppercut heavy into light attack goes back into the uppercut
midnight quest
Light 1 light 2 into heavy uppercut is god tier
does that move to significantly more damage?
spare dome
frozen trench
does that move to significantly more damage?
I have no idea, it’s cooler in my eyes
red swift
MK2s sliding uppercut light into strikedown followup light is geat
frozen trench
Another dumb question
fast iron
Anyway. 9.2s vent duration at 80% heat, 10.4s at 60%.
midnight quest
it does actually do quite a bit more damage than the overhead strikedown
frozen trench
But does sprint speed and mobility put you into the stabbing animation faster?
midnight quest
spare dome
But does sprint speed and mobility put you into the stabbing animation faster?
no its hella janky
fast iron
so it, theoretically, vents down to 0% 1.2s faster.
vast basin
I hate how long it takes to attack after I power up while in the sprint stab animation
midnight quest
in order to get the stab you need to be sprinting (literally at all, you can do it as soon as you hold forward and sprint)
fast iron
But does sprint speed and mobility put you into the stabbing animation faster?
So effectively each 'action' you can undertake in the game has certain values on whether or not you can do it in sprint, and also at what time into the action(if any) it cancels sprint.
midnight quest
but you need to be in full neutral in terms of weapon animations
red swift
stab also comes from dodge -> sliding
spare dome
way too often ive already swapped off the sword to my laspistol to run at the dudes faster anyway
i rarely find use for the stab sprint
south folio
I hate how long it takes to attack after I power up while in the sprint stab ani...
it's a bug that happens if you do a sprint/slide activation and leave your sprint/slide while the activation anim is still playing
so you have to stay in your sprint to be able to interrupt early
some edge case they didn't handle i guess
frozen trench
stab also comes from dodge -> sliding
Yeah I gotta use sliding more when I fight
fast iron
In general, sprint I believe can be considered not quite an animation state. It is more a property of the characters movement: is it sprinting or not sprinting? And this modifies the character's movement.
frozen trench
Bo6 ruined my muscle memory by having c for sliding
vast basin
Yeah I usually only use the sprint stab when engaging or when I need to wait for a bulwark attack animation 
fast iron
(which is further modified by various movement curves for stuff like attacks)
fast iron
For example on the knife: It is well known heavy attacks on the knife makes you move faster. This is why it does.
midnight quest
knife is really weird but fun with its movement
fast iron
You start at 0.8x movement. 0.05s into the animation, you slow down to 0.7x. Then in the next 0.05s, you sped up to 0.95x.
frozen trench
What’s the sprint speed modifier for the relic blade?
frozen trench
I wonder if 80% mobility, 10% movement speed, and the 5% sprint speed goes ham
midnight quest
isn't it the same for both?
frozen trench
MK 2
full magnet
Good Evening, i heard there is a group in this chat who cann help with the karnak twins hardmode?
fast iron
i'm gonna assume that's the first one. :v
median steeple
fast iron
spare dome
I wonder if 80% mobility, 10% movement speed, and the 5% sprint speed goes ham
6.02 sprint speed, so faster than a naked knife psyker
fast iron
You slow down when you start it to 0.75x, speed up to 1.25x at 0.5s into the animation, then slow down until at 2s into the animation you are at normal speed.
ornate bone
For example on the knife: It is well known heavy attacks on the knife makes you ...
Does this mean "release the heavy after 1 second", or does it do something like keep that 1.2 modifier until the heavy ends on its own?
fast iron
You can remain in this action state for 3 seconds until it releases. You are at normal speed at 2 seconds into the animation until it ends at 3 seconds.
frozen trench
6.02 sprint speed, so faster than a naked knife psyker
During the charge attack with all those talents and max mobility on the weapon?
I wonder what would be the most efficient means to maintain the charge seamlessly
spare dome
you'd peak at 7.4
frozen trench
Block canceling has a halt on it
fast iron
You speed up from 0.9x movement to 1.25x movement between 0.25s and 0.5s.
Also sliding is both better and cooler FYI.
frozen trench
Is that noticeable if I wanted to use it in that way?
spare dome
5.2 base + 0.02 from sword x (10% talent tree + 25% sword attack) x swift cert
frozen trench
Not optimal but I like having engagement speed
spare dome
7.4 is fucking fast
fast iron
oh
spare dome
youre only that fast for like two seconds though and you gotta get that attack couched
fast iron
also attack speed might make the speed up and slow down faster.
...and reduce the maximum time you can hold a heavy.
frozen trench
Hmmm
my means to maintain a bit of momentum is to quick swap and start another heavy
spare dome
yea nothing is gonna beat laspistol instant swaps with +0.89 sprint speed
fast iron
Here's the block stuff. Minimum hold time means the minimum time you can remain in this state(aka, how much block cancel punishes you).
Which is a lot.
frozen trench
Las pistol is my chum now
fast iron
Because it cancels your sprint too.
frozen trench
Yeah
Quick swap > attack commit > block cancel is probably the only means of maintaining that charge sprint
prisma sigil
So in another 40k discord I'm in I'm hosting a Christmas raffle, and I found out that you can get actual video game voice actors to make videos for you and shit like that. This is the video I got made for that discord lol
fast iron
Basically, you slow down from 100% speed to 32% speed over that 0.3 seconds.
frozen trench
Trying to think if there’s a more efficient way
fast iron
also you have like a gadzillion different special actions that all, I think, toggle the overheat state.
frozen trench
Probably attack speed talent skip, but that is too painful to lose just to use a sprint that is like 5% of combat
Just to hold the charge attack longer
HMM
I FORGOT ABT SLIDING
fast iron
also "sprint ready up time" is at 0.3s which is I think the time it takes for you to sprint again after it kicks you out?
fast iron
I FORGOT ABT SLIDING
so yeah i posted the move thing of sliding in that. Sliding. Good?
spare dome
also "sprint ready up time" is at 0.3s which is I think the time it takes for yo...
time to execute an action after sprinting ie attack
frozen trench
maybe that using the stab attack to push a bit of speed and momentum
fast iron
like you boost up to 1.3x speed with the attack while sliding, gradually lowering down to 1x
frozen trench
That knife tech
midnight quest
I feel like it'll always be more optimal to just switch to laspistol
frozen trench
Is that placebo or does attacking during a slide apply to the momentum
midnight quest
and switch back to sword when you're in whacking range again
frozen trench
and switch back to sword when you're in whacking range again
Don’t crush a man’s dreams of rushing people with the holy lance
fast iron
Is that placebo or does attacking during a slide apply to the momentum
i linked it above. There is a special attack state during slide which will speed you up like the heavy attack does to sprint.
midnight quest
you can do that regardless, no?
fast iron
moreso, in fact
midnight quest
less speed should even be preferable, it gives the heretics more time to dread their imminent fate
fast iron
less speed should even be preferable, it gives the heretics more time to dread t...
enjoy your chainaxe then, the second worst range in the game :v
midnight quest
it looks cool tho
fast iron
tru
midnight quest
tf
I just joined straight into the game over screen lmao
fast iron
i just like lording over the psyker's 2h weapon having like 50% fo the range of zealot's new 2h weapon :v
midnight quest
woo I got a bunch of rewards for it
misty ravine
i just like lording over the psyker's 2h weapon having like 50% fo the range of ...
Until they do the funny special
fast iron
ok
i think i have an even funnier thing that some weapons might can do
going faster while swapping to the weapon
the psyker can (theoretically) swap to something else and immediately back to the 2h powersword to run 2.5% faster.
yay.
frozen trench
Until they do the funny special
They don’t got an uppercut that clocks elites backwards
fast iron
this is not possible with zealots because they are merely humans filled with the emperor's holy ferver.
frozen trench
Me and the Vet beating a heretic to death
I wonder if that mod where it launches the ragdolls would be funny with the uppercut
fast iron
also geeze you can throw a knife every 0.3 seconds that's fast
comes out in 0.1 seconds, can be yeeted every 0.3
hexed igloo
Yeah and the knives hit harder than a bolter round
Riddle me this, hadron
What the fuck are these knives made of, uranium?
fast iron
anyway
the reason why I mentioned this is grenade cancel
as I think you can, potentially, swap to a non knife grenade and back instantly
which would let you immediately go back into the sprint and/or slide melee animation again?
misty ravine
What the fuck are these knives made of, uranium?
Pure distilled righteousness, that is why they regenerate
hexed igloo
Cringe optimizer using glitches to play 2% more optimally
Based and righteous fun enjoyer
sour oxide
Its not so much the knifes that are op its that uncanny strike stacks apply to them
fast iron
Based and righteous fun enjoyer
this is to achieve infinite +30% speed slide
frozen trench
Based and righteous fun enjoyer
This is my fun enjoyment, to go fast
hexed igloo
this is to achieve infinite +30% speed slide
Cringe optimizer using glitches to play 2% more optimally
misty ravine
Its not so much the knifes that are op its that uncanny strike stacks apply to t...
Even without that they're still great. And have much better talents leading up to them
frozen trench
Ooo
frozen trench
Good science
fast iron
honestly i hate knives but that's only because I feel like I have to rebind my key JUST FOR ZEALOT to throw knives properly.
hexed igloo
I rebind everything anyway
spare dome
my advice
hexed igloo
Stuns suck balls, incin I just cook myself usually
spare dome
go to settings and have a crosshair on screen at all times
sour oxide
I just keep it G if I rebind to my mouse then I change my grip on the mouse when I throw and miss
fast iron
otherwise I like it because everyone has sucky grenades except ogryn, krak grenades IF THE TEAM WOULD LET THEM EXPLODE BEFORE KILLING THE ENEMIES, and ogryns of course.
hexed igloo
So thumb button knives
spare dome
then you just put the dot on the enemy and press your delete button
fast iron
(basically zealot grenades suck except for knives. sorry.)
sour oxide
stums have their place
hexed igloo
The molotov is okay
frozen trench
I am scared of zealots who got them degrees in trigonometry who can headshot snipe at any distance and lead a moving target
hexed igloo
Stuns yeah situational
fast iron
the default grenade for zealot is literally just throwing pocket sand in a heretics face lmao
frozen trench
Them mfs a different beast
spare dome
91m is my record
hexed igloo
With knives?
spare dome
yea
spare dome
to be clear i tossed that knife with no expectation of success
fast iron
you know i was gonna meme and say it probably used tthe BFG aiming template
spare dome
and like two seconds later it gave me the kill
fast iron
weapon_template.smart_targeting_template = SmartTargetingTemplates.default_melee
frozen trench
I once caught a dog running left to right and flicked a headshot on them
fast iron
...reality is weirder.
spare dome
flight time was hilarious
frozen trench
Good feeling
hexed igloo
I once caught a dog running left to right and flicked a headshot on them
I be tossing knives into their mouth as they jump
hexed igloo
Pretty funny playing chicken with a mutant, sticking a knife in his forehead when he's 4cm away from you, and watching him fold and slide past you
frozen trench
You love to see it
fast iron
as a psyker i love knife movement
it's so fun
i can tell why the gun with knife build is called gun psycho
sour oxide
if you like just spam clicking m1 sure
red swift
Evis doesn't exist anymore
hexed igloo
Your mom doesn't exist anymor
red swift
I never see Knife anymore since duelling sword came available despite knife still being cracked
sour oxide
I purposely don't run DS because imo its broken
frozen trench
Eviscerator doesn’t have enough of a dynamic moveset for me
frozen trench
Crusher ruined me with mix ups
spare dome
MKIII evis is very similar to MKII relic to me
hexed igloo
Dueling sword is so fuckin boring all you do is just stab
frozen trench
Yeah
fast iron
hmm.
spare dome
i never liked it as a primary
fast iron
ok i suddenly hate zealot knives because i am cursed with knowledge now.
sour oxide
knife you have to get creative with hordes. barrels. stim teammates. etc
fast iron
you want to hit the head with knives. yes?
hexed igloo
I like the evis because
1 - it's a huge chainsword
2 - it feels really nice to use and swing
3 - it's a huge chainsword
spare dome
you want to hit the head with knives. yes?
yes, always
sour oxide
weakspot mainly backstab if you can
hexed igloo
Meh
frozen trench
This a controller feature of auto aim?
fast iron
no
frozen trench
Aim assist?
tight fog
u mean throwing knives?
fast iron
yes
hexed igloo
This a controller feature of auto aim?
Knives are magnetized a little
fast iron
it's minor
frozen trench
OOO
sour oxide
tknives have a cleave so you don't always have to be dead on
frozen trench
Little radius hitbox?
hexed igloo
the autoaim prioritizes the torso.
It's not a big deal, if it was going to hit the head it won't magnetize to the torso
tight fog
throwing knives always seem very generous with the hitboxes
fast iron
but basically it's 0.1 degrees at I think 100 meters up to 0.2 degrees at 1 meter if i am reading it right
sour oxide
well yeah because they have a cleave effect
if you have 2 groaners standing shoulder to shoulder and hit the one on the left the one on the right will get hit and some behind it too
hexed igloo
What if there's 2 moaners
sour oxide
straight to jail
fast iron
hmmm
although there's also a unique 'proximity'
because of max range 5 tho I think that only actually matters in melee however
hexed igloo
Mate you're reading too much into it, just throw them til you can aim em
sour oxide
i haven't looked over the source so I am not sur ewhat your referring to
fast iron
sour oxide
whats the snippet from?
tight fog
i dont know what the FUCK any of that means
fast iron
i think that roughly mostly means that within 5 meters, it'll autoaim a lot more heavily in like a 28 degree code
hexed igloo
i dont know what the FUCK any of that means
True and real
frozen trench
It’s in game data
tight fog
u just throw the knives bro
frozen trench
The code
hexed igloo
I figured that, that doesn't make any sense of it bozo
Put the knives in the bag bro
sour oxide
yeah but I question it because tknives are blitz so not necessarily melee or ranged
opaque flame
dumpstat for relic blade?
hexed igloo
dumpstat for relic blade?
Dumpstat for everything is mobility Jesus I see 14 people ask every hour
fast iron
dumpstat for relic blade?
at this point it sounds like "get the first one with 80 in every stat except mobility and heat" lol
frozen trench
dumpstat for relic blade?
Heat management might be some new tech
opaque flame
I hope someone makes it 15
stable cypress
dumpstat for relic blade?
hexed igloo
I hope someone makes it 15
I'm pulling up to your dad's house bozo he's got steaks on the grill and pouring wine for us it's gonna be a romantical dinner date
frozen trench
dumpstat for relic blade?
Heat management and mobility, your preference my good chum
stable cypress
I think flamer still dumps damage
sour oxide
tknives are blitz so while they adopt the existing buffs you have I don't believe they count as melee or ranged. damage wise they are attributed to melee.
midnight quest
I forgot the relic blade also does a sweep on a light sprint attack
stable cypress
no they count as ranged, puss touched resist them
opaque flame
I'm pulling up to your dad's house bozo he's got steaks on the grill and pouring...
dont do nothing to my dad 😦
midnight quest
useful considering the sprint attack is instantly accessible and it combos into heavy sweep
frozen trench
I forgot the relic blade also does a sweep on a light sprint attack
Fun combo starter when you run into them
hexed igloo
dont do nothing to my dad 😦
I'm doing everything to your dad
sour oxide
no they count as ranged, puss touched resist them
wut?
midnight quest
Fun combo starter when you run into them
you don't need to run into anything, the startup on sprint attack is literally 1px worth of movement
fast iron
...ha. That's clever. I think I just realized what the inheritance for the code is doing here. The templates are loading the utility scripts, so that it can insert itself into being used by the game functions like damage.
And then the weapon definitions are loading the templates. So that they can insert their data into the templates.
midnight quest
relic blade might be the most well-designed thing fatshark ever worked on
which isn't saying much
but it's cool
sour oxide
relic blade is basically executioner sword.
sour oxide
lol I understand what he is saying p_q
fast iron
something something psyker incomparable mind
frozen trench
Bro this ain’t abt you
spare dome
check again
frozen trench
last I checked world revolves around me
sour oxide
https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-ahhhh-awww-little-lamb-out-of-the-way-you-gi...
touche
misty ravine
relic blade is basically executioner sword.
Even leaving the activation/heat aside, Exe Sword is way more simplistic. Mk15 Evis is the closest analogue
gloomy radish
what are best perks /blessings for relic sword ???
fast iron
tl;dr there's both magnetism and aim assist(afaik even on mouse), but the latter tends to only be active if you're actually braced or scoped in.
(and is also most prominent on ogryn funnily enough)
frozen trench
I ain’t serious btw, I’m just making light of the chat
misty ravine
what are best perks /blessings for relic sword ???
Check pins
gloomy radish
ah very nice i did not even know thank you
sour oxide
yeah I think tknives just have the cleave going for them not assited aim hence why controller tends to struggle bus with them
midnight quest
what blessings should I be putting on relic blade? I'm on overload and heatsink, should probably switch off of overload
opal star
cranial groundinggggg
midnight quest
in my experience it doesn't actually cause a damaging explosion
sour oxide
I was running rampage and whatever the weakspot hit reduce heat thing
opal star
the explosion radius is really fucking tiny and does like no damage
frozen trench
25-30 dmg btw
frozen trench
Even with the bolt pistol blessing lethal proximity, it still has no range
hard nexus
the explosion radius is really fucking tiny and does like no damage
it does 30 and that’s only on kill i believe
so yeah
worthless
frozen trench
I wish it was an attack that would be stored at max heat and dispersed as an explosion into lockout
hard nexus
a blessing that makes headshot kills deal more aoe damage would be neat
midnight quest
what even are chained weakspot hits
sour oxide
basically power up L1 H1 combo for hordes then was just doing heavy spam for elites.
pretty boring imo
but at least you dont have to charge it up
every 2 or whatever swings
frozen trench
Dumb as fuck that the explosion radius pops out centred on your character
midnight quest
I wish it was an attack that would be stored at max heat and dispersed as an exp...
honestly missed opportunity to have an overload attack by holding the special button while powered up
frozen trench
I just want more things to explode on hit like the crusher
midnight quest
valid
sour oxide
wouldn't make sense with how a power sword works i guess
midnight quest
I'll take what I can get tho
I'm happy with fatshark doing a power weapon the way they should be
sterile basalt
tl;dr there's both magnetism and aim assist(afaik even on mouse), but the latter...
There’s no magnetism or aim assist for mouse
Some attacks just have extra large hit detection box
frozen trench
I assume it’s the heat being dispersed?
midnight quest
I've asked for this exact thing a while ago, just give me a bar-based power weapon instead of the silly "press button for a single powered up attack" type they're such a big fan of
frozen trench
Wish it exploded centred on the target you hit into lock out
ornate bone
I'll take what I can get tho
I'm happy with fatshark doing a power weapon the wa...
psykers rn
midnight quest
the vet power sword is close to it as well, considering it doesn't immediately lose the charge on hit. but even that is just power up, swing, swing, repeat
frozen trench
And had a charge timer of how long you kept the sword powered for increasing explosion dmg
misty ravine
There’s no magnetism or aim assist for mouse
Some attacks just have extra large...
I remember that time the Voidstrike staff counted head hitboxes as having priority over limbs and having like a meter radius. Good times
light badge
my randoms do literally anything except die challenge (impossible)
misty ravine
the vet power sword is close to it as well, considering it doesn't immediately l...
Power Cycler 4 on release gave you like 12 powered swings per activation IIRC
midnight quest
just carry them
frozen trench
I guess it’s easier to make overload a small aoe fart that does 30 dmg
midnight quest
yeah, that shit was fun
wish I had better luck at brunt's casino to actually experience it
sour oxide
I miss old brutal momentum
3.5 seconds on weak spot kill of ignore everything while i hack through this horde
really fs just needs to remove 3.5 seconds blessings if they want balance.
frozen trench
I kinda wish there was more unique mechanics on weapon blessings instead of number buffs
fast iron
psykers rn
psykers are very happy right now just saying
ornate bone
cull the power blessings
sour oxide
the option to kick start the weapon on trash and take it to an elite just makes those buffs so immensely powerful
frozen trench
Lethal Proximity is a fun one
fast iron
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1h62kcz/new_psyker_greatsword_is_sooo_satisfying/ i mean look at this
ornate bone
opinions are very mixed on the FGS
fast iron
can your power sword do that
frozen trench
can your power sword do *that*
Nah I’d win
sour oxide
but if they are smart they won't go down the nerf road. its literally the worst policy for any game. no one is happy about nerfs unless its something literally broken.
frozen trench
I don’t want my melee experience be robbed by a projectile that robs me of that intense fight
placid fiber
Huh... I can't remember the last time I got to the last area with more than 100% resolve when clearing each area 1 by 1 in rogue legacy 2... :/
silk sail
but if they are smart they won't go down the nerf road. its literally the wors...
Coming from fighting games I generally enjoy good nerfs to shake up the meta
fast iron
dang it powersword is faster movement wise than psyker tho :c
fast iron
but if they are smart they won't go down the nerf road. its literally the wors...
i would like nerfs to the dueling sword to possibly have more buffs to psyker melee
placid fiber
dang it powersword is faster movement wise than psyker tho :c
Have you used the right career skill with the +20% movement speed while it's active? >.>
frozen trench
but if they are smart they won't go down the nerf road. its literally the wors...
I’m for one of adjustments that redistribute power to more interactive means
placid fiber
on psyker that is
sour oxide
the problem isn't the dueling sword itself tho
otherwise vet and psyker would be immensely OP with it as well and they aren't
fast iron
Have you used the right career skill with the +20% movement speed while it's act...
i mean i'm talking about without the +45% movement speed in the tree :v
sour oxide
just zealot.
sour oxide
naw they too busy rubbing their plasma gun
frozen trench
Bro needs a dead team mate to hit warp speed
placid fiber
i mean i'm talking about without the +45% movement speed in the tree :v
Well... zealot does have a career skill that literally makes you rush down an enemy... so yeah psyker without the insane ms buff might feel a bit slow to that. :/
sterile basalt
Vet scaling with DS is not nearly as good zealot
Duellist is just an overpowered talent
fast iron
Bro needs a dead team mate to hit warp speed
oh i wasn't considering oh right veteran can warp speed with a dead teammate yes
sour oxide
thats why they shouldn't nerf weapons that are shared between multiple classes but only op on one.
only wep nerf on a exclusive wep I think is warranted is reducing the cleave on plasma from the entire map to like 25%
silk sail
On the whole I kinda miss a less aggressively paced Darktide like back when it was at launch
edgy plaza
Finally hit Havoc 30 after a Light's out, Fading Light, Sniper Gauntlet, Pus skin. Station mission run holy
sterile basalt
only wep nerf on a exclusive wep I think is warranted is reducing the cleave on ...
Nah, needs to be more
silk sail
Tankier enemies with less clown cars of specials and elites
sterile basalt
Reduce it by 90%
placid fiber
Well... zealot does have a career skill that literally makes you rush down an en...
"They have a run at you attack?! Come on man, what the hell!"
sour oxide
Nah, needs to be more
only if it explodes on overheat and not when fired after overheat.
sterile basalt
only if it explodes on overheat and not when fired after overheat.
I mean it needs less cleave (to be nerfed more)
sour oxide
yeah but I wanna see vets explode
sterile basalt
My idea for plasma changes
hipfire cleave 50 nerf to 5 (can cleave through 1 dreg rager)
hipfire dmg vs carapace & unyielding massively reduced
brace fire cleave 100 nerf to 15 but can cleave through carapace armor (can hit 2 crushers)
brace fire dmg vs carapace & unyielding massively increased
frozen trench
Ngl I wish they had the same rush psykers have when they maintain 80% peril to maximize the strength blessings and talents
sour oxide
you can get around wield times i am sure
sterile basalt
double the wield time of the plasma gun
That’s not the core problem with this gun
ornate bone
what about this
fast iron
the core problem is that it's fun :c
ornate bone
fast iron
I mean... https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1h85gy7/comment/m0qasjg/
ok real talk i do think the activation shouldn't be interrupted by a teeny bit of damage
sour oxide
I feel like the ammo should be treated like a doom BFG and explode if the shot taken pushes it into overheat.
fast iron
tha'ts maybe a little too unforgiving
sour oxide
lol
frozen trench
I just want another bretonnian longsword mechanic of having a charged heavy being a block
ornate bone
After playing with it for a bit, I realized it's essentially the war priest's fury
ornate bone
I just want another bretonnian longsword mechanic of having a charged heavy bein...
This
I expected this to actually be the psyker sword
fast iron
I feel like the ammo should be treated like a doom BFG and explode if the shot t...
this would make all of your psykers in all of your lobbies explode nonstop
sterile basalt
ok real talk i do think the activation shouldn't be interrupted by a teeny bit o...
It’s intended (getting hit resets combo)
It’s the same reason veteran’s power sword can get punished very easily
The decay is the weird part to me
sour oxide
hold the sprinting heavy and keep hitting 1 and it feels like your in the damn civil war
ornate bone
On another note, I do enjoy the greatsword heavy animations
fast iron
It’s intended (getting hit resets combo)
It’s the same reason veteran’s power sw...
i mean i would also be okay if it wasn't like uhhhh
ornate bone
The psyker is very pompous about the style
The little fingers popping out and not fully gripping the sword
sour oxide
pinky out?
ornate bone
Screams "I don't need strength, I just need to know how to guide the steel"
fast iron
0.5 seconds to activate it
sour oxide
very demure.
sterile basalt
They gave force greatsword a meter mechanic just to not give it any blessings that interact with the meter
fast iron
and that's the time it takes befo- wait that's not even the whuh
ornate bone
On another note, I wish the stab heavy came more from the left
ornate bone
As if it's some kind of body and soul stab
It coming from the center of the screen is weird
fast iron
but you can't start the special until 0.7s into the animation
ornate bone
Where are you retreating the sword, your belly?
sour oxide
It coming from the center of the screen is weird
center of the screen feels like some other type of thrust
frozen trench
Ngl, I’m imagining how fun it would be if a weapon had a perfect block attack blessing and a blocking charged heavy would be
I want that duelling feel of parrying a heretic
ornate bone
Expanding a bit on the heavy flair
sour oxide
i mean you could get some power with a good hip thrust behind that heavy sword
ornate bone
I think there's a lot of charm in not wasting energy
fast iron
psyker greatsword buff: can reflect enemy lasgun projectiles back to them
sour oxide
I think there's a lot of charm in not wasting energy
work smarter not harder
frozen trench
I think there's a lot of charm in not wasting energy
I’m a bastion of energy that does fun for fun
silk sail
I think it would be rad to have a stab attack in the game have a followup
ornate bone
In kinesiology we learned that walking is actually a largely automatic process
You can walk normally by just using your thighs
frozen trench
Oooo
sour oxide
your technically falling gracefully
frozen trench
I love walking
ornate bone
Which is why leg prosthetics are actually simpler than arm ones
silk sail
Either with twisting the blade or a deeper plunge
frozen trench
I walk on the fronts of my feet
ornate bone
You don't need any really complex system to make it work with your body because the joints move on their own during the walking process
frozen trench
Does that do anything differently?
fast iron
I think it would be rad to have a stab attack in the game have a followup
the mk8 force great sword... ok doesn't have that no it just chains into heavies :c
from the stab
ornate bone
Well, you can walk by pushing yourself forward and that's also how we run
royal vortex
In kinesiology we learned that walking is actually a largely automatic process
i am incapable of forming any sort of muscle memory. every trip to the fridge is a new game of qwop
ornate bone
But if you try to walk with only your thighs, you'll notice the "grace" of the movement and how it still works with less effort
sour oxide
i am incapable of forming any sort of muscle memory. every trip to the fridge is...
damn someone is old
frozen trench
But if you try to walk with only your thighs, you'll notice the "grace" of the m...
Me now
royal vortex
damn someone is old
i am 21
frozen trench
Thinking too much on walking
royal vortex
practically ancient if ur like 4
silk sail
the mk8 force great sword... ok doesn't have that no it just chains into heavies...
I kinda meant a unique attack specific followup ala Glaive in VT2
ornate bone
For example, to push your foot down, you use the muscle on the back of your calf
misty ravine
Either with twisting the blade or a deeper plunge
Let the Psyker activate the special during the stab for big single target damage
fast iron
also you have like nerve clusters in your muscles that do things automatically without your brain needing to like... do anything about it apparently
royal vortex
jesus you could by my kid.
whiplash
ornate bone
It contracts, pulls your ankle back, and by pulling your ankle back it makes the foot rotate down
south folio
you've returned
misty ravine
frank night
i am incapable of forming any sort of muscle memory. every trip to the fridge is...
correction
fast iron
Let the Psyker activate the special during the stab for big single target damage
ok i want this if only to see how amazing it would be to plunge the blade into a boss and then activate the two bars of energy I have saved uop
sour oxide
you ever hurt yourself in your sleep...im that old
royal vortex
stop typing
frank night
u form one muscle memory and then repeat that no matter the situation or how many teammates you kill with bursters
ornate bone
But you can just... not put effort into that
royal vortex
alright that wasn't that bad
ornate bone
And just keep leading your leg forward while it stands on its own structure
fast iron
stab the sword into them, and then channel the fury of ten thousand suns to explode them into yellow nurgle goo
frank night
let the people see the death threat notification
ornate bone
Because even when you're not really making effort to stand up, your skeleton keeps your body up
royal vortex
i was not rude
frozen trench
So if I forefoot strike during my runs, what is worked differently than a heel striker?
fast iron
Because even when you're not really making effort to stand up, your skeleton kee...
you mean the tendons and muscles. :p
silk sail
Let the Psyker activate the special during the stab for big single target damage
Like the Obscurus/Deimos yes, single damage oomph was something I felt missing with the greatswords
fast iron
Muscles are basically like linear motors. Without effort they frequently tend to just.... not do anything when not relaxed. Just stay at the same tightness.
ornate bone
Well, I'm not too sure about those, but from what I personally understand, it's easier to run with the front of the foot, while lower speeds work more with the heel
Jogging in the military, it's easy to heelstrike
frozen trench
I don’t blame anyone for heel striking in boots
ornate bone
But if you want to go on a full-blown sprint, you can lean forward a bit and make just enough contact with the ground to push yourself forward
frozen trench
I tend to use the muscles in my foot to spring my steps during my runs
If it works that way
frank night
rename this chat to jogging-class
misty ravine
ok i want this if only to see how amazing it would be to plunge the blade into a...
Would be reminiscent of Force Weapons in the Dark Heresy RPG line—not particularly high damage or AP (unless the Psyker is extremely powerful) but if you deal a hit that actually does damage a living target through its Armor and Toughness, you can channel the warp into the target for (potentially) very high damage that ignores Armor and Toughness, their only defense is an opposed Willpower test
spare dome
lul, got the grenadier, sniper, mutant, trapper, and flamer frames in one match all at once
frozen trench
He's pretty much not using the heel
Thanks for the insight, I like learning abt the body
ornate bone
You can still see his ankle bouncing down a bit, though the video quality doesn't help much
sour oxide
aren't shoes actually bad for your feet in terms of running
ornate bone
Me living 500 years
frozen trench
I mean I worded that wrong
frozen trench
I mean decreases all forms of cause of death by 5 fold
ornate bone
Sidewalks are made of very hard material, and so is asphalt
misty ravine
I vaguely remember hearing something about how Usain Bolt defied the conventional wisdom of kinesiology at the time?
ornate bone
Previously, we didn't really care much for hard surfaces because we didn't regularly run on solid rocks
We'd walk on grass, dirt and other softer material
sour oxide
then legos were invented
ornate bone
I wasn't a lego kid 
frozen trench
then legos were invented
Home Depot themes plays
ornate bone
I played strategy games like a big fucking nerd
sour oxide
so imagine stepping on one of those risk soldiers
ornate bone
Funny how I don't like them now that I'm slightly less immature
sour oxide
with the bayonet
ornate bone
Oh, you mean the "I can't believe it's not a medical syringe"
frozen trench
Funny how I don't like them now that I'm slightly less immature
Bro must of been young Sheldon
Mature mf kid
silk sail
Or thumbtacks in the grass if you were me as a kid
sour oxide
jesus your neighbors must have hated you
sour oxide
i got stabbed with a pencil...
frozen trench
Childhood trauma therapy session starts now
ornate bone
I do miss classes
frozen trench
Is this because of your innate need of perfectionism?
sour oxide
really any kind of time
ornate bone
I stopped with engineering when covid hit because I really couldn't stand not going to physical classes
Hey, I'm not a perfectionist
ornate bone
I learned how to stop adjusting pictures on the wall several times until they're perfectly parallel with the ground years ago
frozen trench
Damn
sour oxide
now I use a laser level
misty ravine
Just looked it up because it was bugging me. Apparently Usain Bolt is exceptionally tall and heavy for a sprinter, which was why so many experts were surprised
ornate bone
Now I do the smaller stuff, like beating myself up over milliseconds on Trackmania
frozen trench
That shit drives me mad, I want the appearance of my home to be aesthetically pleasing to the eye
ornate bone
Just looked it up because it was bugging me. Apparently Usain Bolt is exceptiona...
Actually, isn't being tall a good thing?
frozen trench
Halts my art hobby badly
ornate bone
I think many African natives were tall, weren't they?
sour oxide
you get all the treats on the top shelf.
frozen trench
Work on a piece for 8 hours correcting small details no one would notice
sour oxide
the lil uns know nothing of the top shelf
sour oxide
Work on a piece for 8 hours correcting small details no one would notice
and then repaint the entire thing?
frozen trench
I think many African natives were tall, weren't they?
Built for persistence hunting
ornate bone
If memory doesn't fail me, black people are more predominant in sports of speed and height because of biological conditions from ye olde times
frozen trench
and then repaint the entire thing?
Or get frustrated and start a new project to get frustrated over
sour oxide
Or get frustrated and start a new project to get frustrated over
brother?!
ornate bone
Although maybe for basketball it could also be a cultural thing? I dunno, sometimes the American focus can be a bit biased
frozen trench
All mfs who procrastinate are brothers and sisters
ornate bone
Maybe basketball is popular among black people, or maybe black people are more fit for what basketball asks of the players
mighty root
ornate bone
Either way, big long legs = el bueno
misty ravine
I think many African natives were tall, weren't they?
Depends heavily on tribe/ethnic group. There is greater genetic variance within Africa than outside it
frozen trench
Although maybe for basketball it could also be a cultural thing? I dunno, someti...
Ancestors had to hunt a deer with a rock at once point, so you just run after them until they exhausted themselves to the point where you can walk up and clock them in the head
ornate bone
frozen trench
I think the body was formed after that
sour oxide
Ancestors had to hunt a deer with a rock at once point, so you just run after th...
yeah its wild some of the tribes literally run animals to death
frozen trench
Introduction of agriculture made us into Mike wazowski ass Mfs
ornate bone
White people finding out you can use the arm to throw the rock at the deer
sour oxide
peak performance
misty ravine
As far as size/weight, being taller would mean more drag (potentially significant when races are won or lost by milliseconds) and taller usually implies heavier, which implies more inertia. A touch slower off the start (all else being equal) would again make a potentially huge difference in a short sprint
ornate bone
Actually quite true
Though one might say big person = big muscles = big power
Not that I'm saying it's the argument of "heavy people are clunky"
But like, it's actually impressive how agile big people can be
misty ravine
The article I'm getting this from says the world's second fastest sprinter is much smaller (5'10" 165 lbs)
clever swan
Actually, isn't being tall a good thing?
nope, you die years earlier if tall and have many health detriments until then
ornate bone
Wow, that's actually quite a difference
clever swan
being taller is useful if we were living like cavemen
frozen trench
Health wise bad, social hierarchy mental gymnastics good
ornate bone
nope, you die years earlier if tall and have many health detriments until then
Peter Dinklage will live with us for another 70 years then
lunar fable
i cast upon thee, scoliosis 🪄
south folio
solution: chop off the legs of tall people to extend their life expectancy and reduce health detriments
clever swan
Peter Dinklage will live with us for another 70 years then
well he could easily have some other problems since he essentially has a genetic condition
misty ravine
And also said that Bolt's height (especially in that he has long legs proportional to total height) gives him a very long stride, enough to run 100m in 4-5 fewer steps than most others
ornate bone
Yeah, that's the thing about being tall that is the most attractive for running
frozen trench
I wonder what the other chats are talking abt
ornate bone
You cover a lot of ground when the distance between your steps is big
frozen trench
I can assume vet chat is a dick measuring contest atm
ornate bone
Though for that I also always assumed shorter people needed to work overtime to achieve speeds like that, so finding out the second guy is relatively short is actually weird
And by that I mean normal white guy height
Because that's my height
misty ravine
Doesn't seem that odd to me. Square cube law and all
frozen trench
Is there a metabolic difference between tall and short?
ornate bone
I can rob people blind and blend into a crowd
misty ravine
Small people have a lot less inertia
ornate bone
They do, but doesn't this mean that it's also harder for heavier people to stop when they do catch speed?
frozen trench
Mass?
misty ravine
Yes
ornate bone
Like everyone's mom except mine
placid fiber
Rogue Legacy 2 after you full cleared the entire castle just becomes a boss rush, more or less, lol
Especially since you can upgrade it so you heal 100% health and mana when entering the boss fight
ornate bone
Mods, Dark is being off-topic 🗣️ 📢
frozen trench
When you immediately remove a net off a teammate and they use the comm wheel to say thanks
There
quaint moss
quick dumb question, does the powered up state of the relic blade deal full armor pen or only partially?
frozen trench
Back on topic
placid fiber
When you immediately remove a net off a teammate and they use the comm wheel to ...
Mods, cave-in is being a lil whiney baby.
:3
placid fiber
At least I specified the game lol
frozen trench
this is why it’s so over for me
frozen trench
south folio
quick dumb question, does the powered up state of the relic blade deal full armo...
not necessarily "full armor pen", but the empowered ADMs are better than unpowered ADMs overall
south folio
e.g., these are the powered adms (one is for stabs, the other is for non-stabs)
quaint moss
not necessarily "full armor pen", but the empowered ADMs are better than unpower...
Mostly checking since I was wondering if applying brittleness from say a flamer would do even more or if I just wanted to run another perk. That said it wouldn't be for carapaced enemys since wow O_O but more for flak ragers
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/bebe-gif-5526812072482676565
Hey! How'd you find a pic of me from high school?!
south folio
Mostly checking since I was wondering if applying brittleness from say a flamer ...
yeah it does 100% to flak so the benefit of rending is consequently reduced
south folio
seems fine to run penetrating flame if you want to, if only to benefit the flamer
quaint moss
yeah it does 100% to flak so the benefit of rending is consequently reduced
ty ty ( *´ ▽ ` )/
Havent EVER run the flamer but blaze away seems like a nobrainer, 2nd perk is the tough one for me
placid fiber
Dam... u look so much more mature than I was then...
Welp, wish me luck... I'm gonna go probably die to the sun. <.<
polar nexus
does the difficulty for havoc increase every rank or does it change every 10 lvl?
placid fiber
idk how I can get this close to the sun in rogue legacy 2 without burning to a crisp... without applying it's a video game as the "logic" to why I can. <.<
opaque island
idk how I can get this close to the sun in rogue legacy 2 without burning to a c...
i mean the sun has some kinda magical lookin rings around it so im gonna go with some kinda magical bullshit
copper hawk
The difficulty before damnation
rocky nacelle
The difficulty before damnation
uprising
opaque island
heresy
copper hawk
It seems arbitrary
silk sail
idk how I can get this close to the sun in rogue legacy 2 without burning to a c...
sun station flashbacks
placid fiber
Holy shit I beat Irad without getting hit xD
polar nexus
yeah i wanted to know if there's a diff between like 21 and 29
south folio
does the difficulty for havoc increase every rank or does it change every 10 lvl...
modifiers get added/upgraded with each rank
e.g., in combine's steam guide, it lists these out
south folio
so here,
polar nexus
!!!
placid fiber
I'm 100% certain that Lady Jane the 3rd can die happy, knowing that she was a millionaire
leaden pebble
worlds first red weapon
placid fiber
I would imagine a "red" weapon would either be a version that could get 100% in one stat or 100% in all but 1 stat
polar nexus
that bug was fixed lol
arctic saffron
havoc 20+ gets harder than auric maelstrom? 
placid fiber
If fatshark were ever to do that(I highly doubt it at this point)
polar nexus
havoc 20+ gets harder than auric maelstrom? <:FeelsDeadMan:385340641262960640>
the difficulty is the teammates you find on the way
arctic saffron
the difficulty is the teammates you find on the way
im dying just as much as my teammates, idk how to deal with specials when you are swarmed by 3 bosses + a gorillion horde 
well, i can dodge them but idk how to kill them effectively i guess
polar nexus
do you have crowd control?
arctic saffron
we did not
polar nexus
that is the problem i think
polar nexus
the last 2 missions i did we had a psyker for cc and i had shredder nades
it helped a lot
arctic saffron
what's a shredder nade?
polar nexus
vet nade that does bleed dmg
arctic saffron
polar nexus
and also has a stagger effect
shell rampart
Anybody know if the if the immolation grenade penance is bugged? Or just counting kills in a weird way? Im getting like 30+ kills a game if im lucky
arctic saffron
i guess i should spec out of the zealot charge and go for the aoe thingie
edgy plaza
Chorus is a must in high havoc I feel
arctic saffron
122k bleed damage 
spiral wigeon
Relic blade perk and bleesing recomendations ?
polar nexus
that makes ogryns and zealot happy!
polar nexus
122k bleed damage <a:ApuTooSweaty:660646976932544532>
i was spamming yeah
fleet zealot
perk elite flak, blessings just pick one of these 3 cranial, heatsink, rampage,
swapping one out for wrath in high havoc
arctic saffron
any recommendations for talents with chorus + relic blade?
polar nexus
also i run puncture
arctic saffron
crit chorus seems pretty good to me, guess i'll try that
edgy plaza
any recommendations for talents with chorus + relic blade?
I can DM you a link to my Zealot build if you'd like, i've been able to make it to 30 in pub with it
polar nexus
relic blade is not really a crit weapon tho
arctic saffron
I can DM you a link to my Zealot build if you'd like, i've been able to make it ...
that'd be great
frozen trench
Relic goes off with martyrdom and IJ
arctic saffron
relic blade is not really a crit weapon tho
guess because slow attack speed?
frozen trench
Attack speed makes that weapon flow better
lean lark
any recommendations for talents with chorus + relic blade?
backstab cdr is a must have for chorus if you want to have it available 99% of the time
arctic saffron
backstab cdr is a must have for chorus if you want to have it available 99% of t...
gotcha
frozen trench
IJ solves the immobility issue, Martydom don’t need mobility if you kill them with harder strikes
lean lark
relic blade has wide high dmg sweeps so you can kill a couple poxwalkers near your teammates and instantly have it ready, + ij is always good to have
frozen trench
each stack is more dodge range, more reset speed on dodge count, and dodge speed
Makes the relic blade feel very knightly with how fluid you can be with those options
arctic saffron
i was quite enjoying fotf while charging a heavy overhead and one shotting maulers 
gusty siren
hi everyone
what are the most useful perks on a bolt pistol with run'n'gun & puncture for an anointed in blood zealot (not crit-oriented, inexorable judgement)?
I currently use maniac+unarmored but not sure that this is the best combo
I still can't 1shot Dreg and Scab gunners even with bleed
thanks
arctic saffron
but you gotta do what you gotta do i guess, always down to try new stuff anyways
frozen trench
hi everyone
what are the most useful perks on a bolt pistol with run'n'gun & pun...
I go maniac and specialist because that’s the only time I use it for, special sniping
placid fiber
I just noticed... the swords that tubal rains down from above, in the rogue legacy 2 boss fight, kind of looked somewhat like the 2h power swords we got... :/
frozen trench
Rest I charge towards and die
placid fiber
Rest I charge towards and die
Okay, but, do you pet the dragon?
frozen trench
I go maniac and specialist because that’s the only time I use it for, special sn...
Puncture makes it not need specialist to do its job on most mobs
frozen trench
Okay, but, do you pet the dragon?
I die to the dragon because I ain’t him
gusty siren
I go maniac and specialist because that’s the only time I use it for, special sn...
thanks for the tips
fleet zealot
IJ is good but Piety isn't waste on it, the stabs and overheads (and possibly uppercut, haven't checked) have 1.7 finesse
not around 3.0 like knife or duelist
gusty siren
Puncture makes it not need specialist to do its job on most mobs
yes, but it isn't very reliable
should I keep Maniac+Unarmored?
edgy plaza
that'd be great
Sent, DR is to Stack Toughness resist high and CR is for Corruption. Dualing blade to deal with Crushers/Bulwarks etc and to take advantage of invocation of death you can get Chorus back to back within 15 seconds of uses if you’re good and pack clearing
frozen trench
thanks for the tips
Run and gun is good because decrease to hip fire spread makes it so you can aim and snipe without dealing with that recoil jump in ads
Also sprint fire is solid
arctic saffron
Sent, DR is to Stack Toughness resist high and CR is for Corruption. Dualing bla...
thank you sir 
void bison
frozen trench
Lethal Proximity is fun in my eyes, when I miss a sniper due to bad aim I least stagger them out of a shot due to the explosion radius
gusty siren
Run and gun is good because decrease to hip fire spread makes it so you can aim ...
got it
where I struggle is for perks actually
not sure about what should I keep
proper anchor
perk elite flak, blessings just pick one of these 3 cranial, heatsink, rampage,
did youi mean 2 of those 3? and replace 1 with wrath in havoc?
frozen trench
Puncture is reliable all around, it saves you from needing an extra bullet
frozen trench
got it
where I struggle is for perks actually
not sure about what should I keep
Flak or Elites + Maniac
Likely flak because of flamers
gusty siren
Puncture is reliable all around, it saves you from needing an extra bullet
I have Puncture and Run'n'Gun right now
with Maniac+Unarmored
gusty siren
Flak or Elites + Maniac
but I can't 1shot Dreg Gunners
gusty siren
Unarmored is only good for dreg gunners
even there, I still cannot 1shot them ^^'
slender belfry
Which weapon are u guys talking ?
frozen trench
Bolt pistol
gusty siren
Which weapon are u guys talking ?
bolt pistol
slender belfry
Bistol
frozen trench
If you really want the oneshot, there’s always surgical and deadly accurate
slender belfry
I like that gun so much
frozen trench
But I just double tap em
That 20% dmg to staggered blessings units is worse than puncture, and most priority units will die to two shots
This is assuming headshot
slender belfry
But sometime i want to shoot some enemy behind, it doesn’t work
river jackal
New Sword and Bolt Pistol is a pretty pog combo right?
polar nexus
why don't you try surgical puncture?
frozen trench
New Sword and Bolt Pistol is a pretty pog combo right?
That’s what I run
polar nexus
New Sword and Bolt Pistol is a pretty pog combo right?
well it helps with mobility
frozen trench
why don't you try surgical puncture?
This also if you can compensate the aim jump of recoil
slender belfry
Me stupid or st, that the relic sword don’t work well with me
frozen trench
You get used of rapid adjusting and lining it up
polar nexus
try both mark
river jackal
Saw a Zealot earlier putting down some insane crowd control with the new sword
polar nexus
and also maybe try with inexorable judgment for better mobility
placid fiber
I'm 100% certain that Lady Jane the 3rd can die happy, knowing that she was a mi...
I take this back... she was a millionaire... and she was a hero(beat the final boss lol)
arctic saffron
and also maybe try with inexorable judgment for better mobility
i don't understand why IJ is better for mobility, nothing on the tooltip says anything about mobility 
gusty siren
why don't you try surgical puncture?
surgical seems to be quite unreliable in a sense that I can't always take my time to aim, and I'm not playing Piety ^^
red swift
i don't understand why IJ is better for mobility, nothing on the tooltip says an...
Gives you faster and more distant dodges, just doesn’t say
Up to 7.5%
And dodge recovery too
gusty siren
I use Run'n'Gun because of Anoint in Blood
arctic saffron
Gives you faster and more distant dodges, just doesn’t say
why are there secret stats 
red swift
why are there secret stats <a:HUH:984026872826462248>
You WILL download addons from nexus mods
polar nexus
surgical seems to be quite unreliable in a sense that I can't always take my tim...
fair enough, you can use run 'n gun too
check kuli's guides https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3088553235
lunar fable
violet hornet
fuck it idk what his name is now lol
hollow moth
Got flesh wound done today
Just need to do maellus monstronum and I'll have all the (formerly) redacted penance gear
gray ice
fuck it idk what his name is now lol
Who argus the unfriendly smurf?
@sterile stone oi, my favorite Starbucks drink, whzgud
vague depot
@hard nexus hi are you free
vague depot
W aight
rocky nacelle
<@139852743358545920> i can game now
i was just summoned to a marvel rivals team
hard nexus
W aight
fail
whatever
strike team 24
@vague depot testing something rq
just a sec
vague depot
got it
vague depot
got it
red swift
y evis wen relic swrd do trik?
hard nexus
y evis wen relic swrd do trik?
because i love the mk3 evis very much
gray ice
Because mk3 tigrus is fucking baller
misty ravine
y evis wen relic swrd do trik?
- You like the sound it makes
- You like pressing button once to rev attack once, rather than switching power on/off