zealot-class

[sullen forge]

of all classes

[hasty raft]

3rd person mode throws me right the fuck off

[placid fiber]

I just need a few more melk bucks and then I can have a decently statted out relic blade to level the mastery with. >.>

[drowsy steppe]

thats pretty much perfect wdym

[placid fiber]

Ooo I just thought of the best way to have people think I'm a scrub... use the malice frame with the gold mask set and this backpack... with the reject title! >:3

Don't I look like your worst nightmare? I feel like I'm unintentionally trying to raise the reputation of gold masked zealots... since everyone tends to think they are noobs right out the gate

[sterile stone]

This backpack has a flat green variant

But it ain't listed

It's like the base model version

[placid fiber]

This is the backpack that came with the mortis operative set >.>

[sterile stone]

I know

That's not the base model

It's just a skin over the base model

[placid fiber]

this one :3

Hm... what do you think... would this insignia make it look even worse? >.> @sterile stone

[reef pewter]

are mystery aquisitions for curios decent for trying to get +2 wound curios since unlocked and loaded update?

[sinful glen]

never switching of reject title

[royal vortex]

there are no 2 wounds curios

only +1

[placid fiber]

I know people think the reject title is worse than no title lol

[reef pewter]

+2's were removed?

[royal vortex]

they were never in the game

[hard nexus]

oh my god true!!!!

[sinful glen]

they can keep coping while il use superior title

[jagged cradle]

What did she do

[sterile stone]

[reef pewter]

[copper hawk]

Who wanna eat this w me

[hard nexus]

wonder how much you could deal with the mk8 push stab on zealot

[sinful glen]

i thought there were 2 wounds as well

[sinful glen]

this is fire i’d eat it until liver failure

[sullen forge]

Wasn’t Hahnda

Was the Zealot

[copper hawk]

I like this new glooper..

Can we keep him..

[jagged cradle]

Cica…

No

[sinful glen]

i am not even real just collective hallucination

[hard nexus]

can u hallucinate me some bitches

pls

[primal jackal]

The emperor must’ve saved me I guess

[royal vortex]

nobody is delusional enough for this

sorry

[sinful glen]

would it help ? they are still not real

[hard nexus]

hm… true

[jagged cradle]

Aren’t you alittle too old to want an SO meow

You’re like 70

[hard nexus]

the fuck is that supposed to mean

[jagged cradle]

You’re one foot in the grave

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/when-life-gets-at-you-anime-despair-sadness-ranma-gif-20925325

https://tenor.com/view/otoboku-the-maidens-are-falling-in-love-with-me-otome-wa-boku-ni-koishiteru-anime-defeated-gif-17741306

[royal vortex]

the epiphany hits me now that i have never received an answer that improved my life after asking this exact question

[jagged cradle]

The best you’re getting at this point is a shark plushie

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

yeah

real actually

[jagged cradle]

Actually I want a shark plushie

[royal vortex]

it is a phrase signalling imminent doom

[hard nexus]

i have one

i also have

an isopod plushie

but

she got killed

by my dogs

[jagged cradle]

An isopod plushie sounds adorable

[hard nexus]

and her disemboweled corpse lays resting in my drawer

[jagged cradle]

Can I see the remnants if you have it still

[royal vortex]

u just kept that shit as a souvenir. metal as fuck and also a little concerning

[hard nexus]

yeah

hold on

[jagged cradle]

Pawesome

[hard nexus]

my initial thought was i could sew her back up but then i realized im wayyy too fucking lazy for that

after all this is why we have capitalism

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/lamar-davis-gta-v-wtf-weirded-out-gif-1325458566782332376

[jagged cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/kyaru-karyl-princess-connect-priconne-ear-gif-24447644

[royal vortex]

can't believe you'd just leave a real one('s intestines) hanging (out) like that

[royal vortex]

i liked that joke more before i added the parentheses

i have flown too close to the sun

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

LMFAOO

[royal vortex]

i cannot believe that's how you spell the past tense of fly

it doesn't look right

[jagged cradle]

That’s so

[hard nexus]

flew

[jagged cradle]

Derpy

[drowsy steppe]

the least cute cryptid Ive ever seen

[jagged cradle]

I love it

[royal vortex]

i know i have been awake too long when my grasp of the english language rapidly erodes

[hard nexus]

wouldn’t it be, “i flew too close to the sun”

if u were talking about someone else, it’d be “they had flown too close to the sun”

i think?

i actually don’t know

[royal vortex]

i feel like josho from 4 hours ago would know

me? no clew

[hard nexus]

LMAO

clew

that was clever

[royal vortex]

...clever, yeah

[hard nexus]

yah meow from like

8 hours ago would’ve known

maybe

actually know i was still pretty stupid earlier

no

[royal vortex]

this is the second time this week i have lost all brain function while messaging someone and they thought i was intentionally making a joke

[hard nexus]

stupid but in a funny way

[royal vortex]

spontaneous effects of long covid appearing 3 years after the fact

[hard nexus]

trew

[royal vortex]

i hate this

[hard nexus]

it’s what happens

[hard nexus]

you had flown too close to the sun, this is the consequences when u flew so high

[royal vortex]

i saw people on the subreddit complaining about havoc gunners

and one of their complaints was almost verbatim "they have long sightlines in open areas and shoot at you"

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-smoke-grenade-gif-12354350061668714276

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

reddit is stupid

[royal vortex]

zealot chorus is the sleeper pick

[hard nexus]

how dare gunners be..

[royal vortex]

the suppression area is massive

[hard nexus]

gunners….

[hard nexus]

u know what else is massive

that’s a level of brain rot

[royal vortex]

my guilt

[hard nexus]

that idk if zealot chat knows

[royal vortex]

for what i've done

[hard nexus]

(made a slight typo)

[light badge]

Tbf the game also kinda just said fuck you with all those gunners and a horde on top

[royal vortex]

you have no idea how long i'm going to remember the time i typed fucking "clew" in a public discord

it's going to be 3 years before it's out of rotation

[sterile stone]

Dead ass had a guy in our team say he didn't know how to run chorus zealot

[royal vortex]

this is one of those times where i would be very curious to see what the matches look like for people complaining about gunners

[sullen forge]

I stated earlier also

shooters kept flanking me

[royal vortex]

to be fair if you're the type of person who panics easily in darktide it's hard to get 'optimal' or even 'good' value out of chorus

[sullen forge]

It was doing well WHEN I WASN'T GETTING FLANKED BY EVERY SHOOTER

outside of that

yeah it was fun to play something different

[light badge]

Dude fr

[royal vortex]

i know quite a few people who go into "flail" mode when stuff gets intense in games

[jagged cradle]

I still haven’t tried havoc yet Tintin has been busy

[light badge]

I'm gonna throw warp nexus onto the staff just to dodge more shit

[royal vortex]

i like chorus a lot more in havoc than standard auric because there's a reason to use it and it frankly feels cool to have people follow you into a dive

the gun congaline in auric is solved by a single dude hitting f and meleeing the bad guys

[sterile stone]

Every zealot I've met seems like a one trick pony

[sullen forge]

I think the only thing you're really suffering from when situations like that happen is you'll throw yourself at shit to kill it right but thats what lead to Vic getting hosed down

[sterile stone]

Like there's a small amount of them that can actually run something other than the braindead meta

[vague depot]

Should I only run the chorus and corruption clear build in high level havoc or can I pull it out as early as level 1

[sullen forge]

cause a Reaper snuck past and hosed me and him down

[royal vortex]

not necessarily until probably 16+

[vague depot]

Got it

[royal vortex]

cuz 16 is where emperor's fading light kicks in

[vague depot]

Actually I should not be worrying about this

[royal vortex]

corruption clear is only really necessary on the nurgle blight mode

[misty ravine]

Sometimes I just want to turn off my brain, stack martyrdom, and W+M1 with the occasional F

[light badge]

How do I do better tho

[vague depot]

I need to actually be able to clear normal heresy maelstrom solo first

[sterile stone]

That shit doesn't work with nurgle puddles

[light badge]

All of my burst damage is in my melee

[royal vortex]

i've fallen so far i'm running a fkin inspiring barrage/ceaseless barrage brauto

[sterile stone]

I've seen time and time again

So many zealots crumple like paper

[royal vortex]

an absolutely foul combination to anyone playing pre havoc release

[sullen forge]

Honestly you get a hang of the situations more overtime but like

when you see a bunch of gunners stick near the team more instead of rushing in

[misty ravine]

Well obviously I'm not going to turn off brain for Havoc, I'm going to be super smrt and spam chorus

[sterile stone]

I swear suppression doesn't even work half the time in higher havocs

[vague depot]

I think I had the most moments where I would get boxed into a extremely bad situation and still make it out alive with crusher and relic blade

[sullen forge]

I think thats the biggest issue but other than that you're doing fine

[vague depot]

Somehow never did it with dueling sword though

[light badge]

Noted

[royal vortex]

nurgle parasite enemies are stagger/suppression resistant

[light badge]

Basically play support around the ranged gamers

[sterile stone]

I'm at havoc 38 now and I've mag dumped into hella gunners and they just give not a singular fuck

[light badge]

So they can do their thing

[royal vortex]

otherwise suppression is a godsend

[jagged cradle]

This will be on the exam tomorrow

[royal vortex]

ceaseless barrage on brauto is actually insane utility

[sullen forge]

As much as people say "ermmm just fucking kill them"

[hard nexus]

has “autism!”made it out yet

[sullen forge]

there's a fine line between like

[vague depot]

Do they at least die or are they just face tanking the entire thing no flinch no sweat

[sullen forge]

run in and kill them

[royal vortex]

doubles your suppression in like 5 shots

[sullen forge]

imo 3/4 gunners

and then

[royal vortex]

that one is just funny

[sullen forge]

Stay with the team

easily 10+

[sterile stone]

Face tanking

[vague depot]

Oh my god

[sterile stone]

We lost out hav 39 run cause the zealot refused to run corruption cleanse

[rigid trellis]

gunlugger ogryns shafted again

[royal vortex]

if you see a bunch of congested gunners all not firing you can dive them

[jagged cradle]

Oh actually maybe gale could be my teacher

[vague depot]

I’ll just stick with trying to solo normal maelstrom

[hard nexus]

there are very rare times where i’ll focus so hard (or maybe panic idk) that i’ll lift my mouse from my desk every time i click and i have to consciously calm myself down so i don’t break my mouse

[royal vortex]

if theyre more than like 3 meters apart from end to end it's probably not worth it

[sterile stone]

If shit gets bad I just toss smokes at my feet

[royal vortex]

when i solo clutch my hands go numb

[sterile stone]

Gives me a second to breathe

[sullen forge]

just when there's a fuck ton of gunners stick with your team but if its like an amount you can count on your hand by themselves or with less insanely dangerous Elites/Specials then you can get away with rushing in @light badge

[royal vortex]

i do not know why

there is never enough time to analyze

[misty ravine]

Ogryn taunts and blocks, Psyker blasts with AOE, Vet spams shout off cooldown, Zealot heals and cleanses. We World of Warcraft now

[sterile stone]

Yeah

For some reason

[hard nexus]

troo

[misty ravine]

(I am not here for it)

[royal vortex]

smoke grenade stocks skyrocketed

[hard nexus]

all the blood is going to ur brain to desperately try to form a thought

[sterile stone]

No ogryns I've come across besides one used taunt shield

[slender belfry]

Anyone got lv 40 havoc ?

[sterile stone]

Like so many of them aren't aware there's a flat 25% damage boost

[royal vortex]

people complain about 'less' options being viable but havoc being a completely separate game mode and having a completely different build-making mentality associated with it feels really refreshing

[sterile stone]

For pressing a single button

[royal vortex]

and half the time i fail 😔

[hard nexus]

solo clutches are the most thrilling thing i’ve experienced in almost any game i think

[sterile stone]

I've tried telling people this

[royal vortex]

i had a sick ass ogryn pickaxe clutch right after they buffed shooters in the crafting update

[jagged cradle]

When my anxiety spikes my hands shake so it’s a pain in the ass when I’m clutching

[modern lintel]

when i played ogryn i never actually ran it w shield like you said the stun ontop of free just 25% dmg js nice

[sterile stone]

I tell people to stop treating havoc 30+ like it's a basic auric maelstrom

And then when they get folded

[royal vortex]

there is nothing cooler than everyone being forced to watch you (because they fucked up) and witness you save the game

[sterile stone]

They wanna rage quit

[hard nexus]

i agree but i think the hitmass buffs are the worst buffs out of them all, other than that, everything else is secondary

[royal vortex]

likewise there is nothing more crushing than them watching you shoot a poxburster running at you and it blows up just inside the radius to hit you

and you die

on one of ur sickest psyker clutches up to that point

[hard nexus]

yah you get it

[hard nexus]

LITERALLY

LMFAO

[sterile stone]

Purgatus psyker is disgusting the higher you climb

[modern lintel]

it will soon be metad prob then youll have to rot

[sterile stone]

Good lord that shit is nuts

[royal vortex]

i came away with the opposite feeling about hitmass. i think it's good as an illuminating tool for just how fucking awful infinite cleave is, but higher density encourages players to form a consistent 'frontline' and work together for horde management

my bigger problem is just how aggressive ranged falloff for enemies is atm; there needs to be more distinction between a single guy and twenty guys shooting at you and there isn't

[sullen forge]

its mainly cause you get chastised by like 80% of the community for running it cause

[royal vortex]

part of the problem is that all ranged damage is effectively equal, in that if you make one mistake it feels like the entire toughness bar is gone and now you have to play baby mode

[sullen forge]

why crowd crontol when the CC can just

kill?

[rigid trellis]

i’ve never seen anyone complain about a taunt ogryn

[sterile stone]

I hate this mentality the darktide community has where people prioritize high numbers on a board rather than just making sure the team can get shit done

Like who gives a fuck you got 1 million damage

Did we win?

[placid fiber]

This team was pretty okay, compared to a lot of heresy teams. I am trying to get players under level 30 so I can avoid doing havoc for the resource rewards from the event... There was a level 26 player this run. >:3

[sterile stone]

That's all that matters

[misty ravine]

I mean, I'm glad it's a separate game mode. Different build mentality, sure, but it's a very narrow meta that's much more strictly enforced

[royal vortex]

like, horde control as a measurement for weapon handling almost does not exist at all in standard auric

you have to have functionally 0 cleave for it to be a sticking point

[placid fiber]

I'm kinda tempted to take the autopistol with the ds mk4 cause the dueling sword handles everything... and then I have an extremely reliable trapper deleter as well... the only thing is then bulwarks might be a bit annoying...

[misty ravine]

Damage dealt can be a valid metric to prove certain things but some people put way too much stock into it

[royal vortex]

one of the cool things about a thunderhammer is the gigantic innate cleave on the sweeps, a property nullfied when the vast majority of weapons do not ever have their hit stop on a poxwalker group

[hard nexus]

wait thammer is infinte cleavea???

or do u mean ironhelm

[royal vortex]

thammer sweeps baseline are like 16 cleave, no?

[hard nexus]

oh

[misty ravine]

I blame DPS meters, which were themselves a consequence of Enrage timers: You must DPS the boss at least this fast to not automatically fail.

[royal vortex]

i think it's a bit early to really call what people run rn as 'the meta'

[hard nexus]

i misread innate as infinite

im not wearing my glasses lol

i got on my computer to try to find a clutch fail clip that made me despair but i think i deleted it

[royal vortex]

it is very early on in the mode and opinions on what is 'optimal' or 'usable' tends to change most over the first month or so something is released

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jdc2pmIi8BWux4GKw?invite=cr-MSxXSDIsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

theres this

[misty ravine]

Unless major changes happen it's hard to see people moving away from e.g. reliance on yellow toughness because blue toughness takes so many stacked-up penalties. Or reliance on AOE effects that ignore hitmass entirely when hordes can no longer be cleaved effectively in melee

[rigid trellis]

aoe effects

[royal vortex]

if people want to play the strongest possible builds i think you get an equally narrow 'meta' in standard darktide as you do havoc

[rigid trellis]

[royal vortex]

it's not really the gauge i'd care about when it comes to balancing

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jdHKVdsHaT9M4Vzi8?invite=cr-MSxYdE8sMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[misty ravine]

Pin number

[royal vortex]

i love this spot

it's hell from the top of the stairs until you get into the mid event

[placid fiber]

Hey, guys... is it just me or is it a bit hard to breathe in here...?

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-god-of-war1-god-of-war-fall-fall-meme-gif-25892538

[misty ravine]

The big difference is Havoc incentivizes people to tell you "run chorus or kick"

[hard nexus]

its one of my favorite clips now

why did that zealot follow me

i didnt realize that the drop was that far

i led him to his death

maybe im evill....

[sullen forge]

Auric Board lets you really run anything

[royal vortex]

that is fair, but i think that's at least in part a consequence of people status-chasing the associated penances in havoc

[sullen forge]

but you know damn well people will call you a shitter for bottom damaging as a support build

[placid fiber]

4 more of these until I'm only in severe poverty instead of completely broke...

[royal vortex]

and won't be an equally popular sentiment once the people who really want the clout get it

[sullen forge]

(I will do that)

[misty ravine]

In a regular game an off-meta build just means you might have to be less aggressive or you might rack up smaller numbers on muh scoreboard

[spare talon]

see

you say that

[royal vortex]

(i don't run pubs, especially not havoc, so the thought doesn't really occur to me)

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jddU5L0yYERqT2TuR?invite=cr-MSxXU04sMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[spare talon]

but you still had people DCing to avoid losing ASS progress

for almost a year

until they just removed that

[royal vortex]

i'll be real people ragequit a lot

[hard nexus]

cole look at the psyker chat brain rot that i DMd u

[royal vortex]

i don't necessarily want to draw a big box and put every ragequit in 'penance chaser'

[misty ravine]

Unavoidable consequence of making builds matter in an unbalanced game I guess

[hard nexus]

whatever u say penance chaser

[misty ravine]

It's no wonder Fatshark had to revamp (mostly throw out) the old shit gear system. Imagine having to put up with that in a game where gear actually really mattered

[royal vortex]

fatshark balancing trends towards a more-good equilibrium roughly every time they make changes so i'm optimistic in that regard

[vague depot]

Is there any specific way to improve or do I just keep playing

[spare talon]

hes right
precog is dogshit
never pay attention to finesse damage

in fact

[hard nexus]

yeah duelist is a wasted talent actually

[spare talon]

every weapon with finesse

[royal vortex]

i do so ethically from the comfort of a strike team of friends who can handle my unhinged abuse

[spare talon]

terrible

[hard nexus]

(slaves)

[hard nexus]

i have a bunch more screenshots too from that argument

[misty ravine]

extremely slowly

[hard nexus]

josho saw it too but i think he decided to not get involved

[royal vortex]

i have not asked anyone to play havoc, i have been asked, i am the opposite of a slave owner

[royal vortex]

my opinions are far too milquetoast for an opinionated conversation like that

[placid fiber]

Yeah... make sure you avoid a finesse damage bonus and always take the weakspot or crit bonus... always avoid uncanny as well... and avoid power blessings... then take +block efficiency and stamina for your thammer... oh and NEVER, and I mean never, take Thrust on a thammer

[hard nexus]

im guessing u think both are good

[placid fiber]

[hard nexus]

and thats that

[royal vortex]

i think riposte's duration is twice as long as it should be

both should be normalized at 3s

[hard nexus]

also u never responded to my bug report in dms......

(im too lazy to make a proper bug report)

[royal vortex]

vet's dodge crit talent gets away with it because it's multiple stacks to get full value

[woeful oyster]

Watching good players play the game tends to help. Practice is its own reward.

[royal vortex]

we are still suffering the impacts of the psword review bomb

[hard nexus]

agreed actually

[royal vortex]

a good player also pointing out what you're doing wrong is also helpful in my experience

[hard nexus]

just dont let dorn do it

dorn is a bad coach

he makes mini dorns

and its awful

[royal vortex]

pick someone who has more charisma than a cactus

[hard nexus]

yeah

exactly

oh where did number guy go

i need 2 stream a mk3 evis game to him

he asked a while ago

[woeful oyster]

Nobody asked you to stream for them

[royal vortex]

i did. psychically

[sullen forge]

ermmm.... making an off shoot build

im calling you various slurs now

[hard nexus]

huh

he did

[sullen forge]

@hard nexus can you stream mk3 gameplay :3

[hard nexus]

i can

[gray ice]

someone stream the wiggles

[hard nexus]

@vague depot found him

do u still want me 2 stream mk3 evis for u

[hard nexus]

yah i felt it

[misty ravine]

Even before that, how many years did it take them to balance melee weapon traits in VT2 for example? Have they nerfed Swift Slaying or buffed anything else to its level?
(Other than Opportunist on shields, or Resourceful Combatant that one time it was silly broken for 5 minutes)

[gray ice]

@sterile stone Remember when leux was new and streamed for what started as like me and you and then became like 12 people listening to me yell at her

[royal vortex]

the fat shark swims at its own pace

[sterile stone]

Fun times

[gray ice]

good days

[royal vortex]

they do mostly learn lessons from prior mistakes, even if the execution doesn't work out fully

[misty ravine]

It does at that

[sterile stone]

Was proof if you yell enough

You can make friends

[gray ice]

she just needed to listen harder

[royal vortex]

i.e the darktide blessing system did have less of a monopolistic 'right choice' on a weapon (even if it had its own, new, strange problems for the longest time)

if just purely for the fact you didn't get access to the same set on each

[misty ravine]

I wouldn't say that at all. Three games in a row now they released with a grindy, RNG-addled gear system and had to partially (or in Darktide's case, drastically) walk it back after overwhelming negative feedback

[royal vortex]

darktide was for an unknown amount of time supposed to release with a completely different crafting system, there was the vestigial corpse of weapon customization left buried in it

[sterile stone]

This isn't CoD

Remember

[gray ice]

kekw

[royal vortex]

darktide's problem seems to be in some form or another a fault of time/resource management rather than "we did the same fuck up for the same reason"

[gray ice]

The single most inflammatory phrase for a year

[sterile stone]

It's funny cause I had a vet on my team with that same name

[hard nexus]

pearl clutching was pretty bad too

[royal vortex]

every time a cm says something inflammatory my heart is rejuvenated a little more

the vitriol thrown at them dwarfs a statement like that a million times over

[misty ravine]

In each case management wanting the game to be a live service looter shooter without having anything like the resources to pull it off

[royal vortex]

for sure, yeah

[gray ice]

That one was at least more nuanced with full context

[royal vortex]

i do not understand why they keep trying that and then dropping the ball on the core part of player retention: consistently giving people new things to do

[sterile stone]

This isn't CoD was just a outright lie

Like there was the proof

And we still got the comment

[misty ravine]

Because Fatshark management is a cargo cult

[royal vortex]

it is absurd to me to implement all the annoying parts of a system transparently designed to keep you playing and/or paying money and then not including the one good thing about it

i have almost never heard someone say "i gotta get this thing from the shop before it goes away", whereas i have consistently heard "i'd buy stuff if i could just get what i want/is that item available? no? shame"

[gray ice]

I think havoc highlighted something for me, in that they don't know what content should be targeted for who. E.g. Current havoc system being for "everyone"

[sterile stone]

I still stand on business when I say

Selling a base outfit shoulda been the move

[royal vortex]

i don't think most people have the attention span to remember to buy a specific darktide cosmetic 2 weeks to months after they initially wanted it

[sterile stone]

Then sell shaders to customize the armor the way you want

[gray ice]

If havoc was a real challenging system and was a real grind from 1 it could've kept people busy for a lot longer

[royal vortex]

to be fair if 1 was ~16 and 40 was ~56 you'd probably run into more "this is just weaves" issues

where the damage required to kill players is exponentially scaling until it reaches "everything kills you"

[woeful oyster]

What is a challenge when the answer is always gold toughness any way.

[gray ice]

With the system in place having 1 for sure be the starting point for everyone, I don't think you'd have this problem with changed scalars. We have an opposite problem where for 80% of people currently the first 16 levels don't exist and the next ~4 are a whatever

[misty ravine]

Numbers scale out of control so find workarounds that ignore the numbers entirely. Many such cases!

[gray ice]

The first half of a ranking system being irrelevant is pretty bad no matter how you slice it

[royal vortex]

the problem is more branding than mechanical i think

[misty ravine]

Just realized, Yellow toughness is effectively armor gating from payday 2 lmao

[royal vortex]

functionally the first 'half' of havoc serves to let people experience abnormal mutators and have some chaotic fun from the funny stuff that ensues

and then it has been tied on to the 'endgame difficulty' stuff

[placid fiber]

Ow, I took 119 damage in this last run. 90-95% of it was from a daemonhost I purposefully triggered so I could murder it... I was very sloppy with my dodges. :\

[royal vortex]

i think it's super unhinged to have this functionality with no optional deranking system

because if you could just lower the order you'd have people chilling at havoc 5 or w/e cuz theyre malice gamers

[gray ice]

Or just a manual selection system

[royal vortex]

you know they would never do that

for... whatever reason

[gray ice]

Because it makes sense

[placid fiber]

There we go... time to start leveling the mastery for this weapon. >:3

[royal vortex]

feels-wise i don't think havoc 35 is majorly different from 40

[misty ravine]

Reddit insists Screaming Bell Spam (apparently a terrible and unsolvable problem?) will return if people are allowed to choose

[royal vortex]

and i don't know how much different 40 from 45 would be

[spare talon]

30-40 feels the same

cuz its at the point where any differences you would feel dont matter

[royal vortex]

when the numbers are "do not get shot, ever" and "if you get overheaded without overshield you die with no down because overflow" you can't really do much else besides also making ogryns get one shot

[gray ice]

I imagine scaling from a theoretical 40 on would be drastic

[royal vortex]

yes

[spare talon]

cuz feeling them typically means youre down anyway

[gray ice]

Similar to like Diablo 4 pit

[opaque island]

what were people only queueing for screaming bell cause its fast?

[gray ice]

there's just a certain point you can't keep up with the numbers

[royal vortex]

i think the better way to scale it is more mutators with specific challenges

you cannot throw more numbers at the incredibly stat creeped system and really feel much difference (in terms of damage etc), you have to have stuff that literally just changes the rules in some way

[gray ice]

Mutators would be the only way to properly scale it honestly

You can't just scale numbers there's a minimum allowance of stuff we have to be able to do in this game as players

[misty ravine]

Shortly after VT2 release yes, because it was the fastest map you could speedrun without outright exploiting

[royal vortex]

i've felt like 25+ plays about the same, you just get more melee deathballs at the high end

is anyone else running into the consistent, repeated issue where captains spawn alone and then you just don't have anything else spawn

because you kill the captain before moving forwards

[spare talon]

yes

[hearty nebula]

thats funny

[royal vortex]

my group's last like 5 missions have all had us fighting a single captain, 4v1, with NO music playing

[opaque island]

yo captains mid mission?!

thats sick

[royal vortex]

and it just feels like a fucking snuff film

[opaque island]

too bad its in havoc

[royal vortex]

4 homeless people kicking the shit out of the 5th

[royal vortex]

we've had captains spawn on the same trigger as a standard boss

[gray ice]

dark alleyway type timing

[royal vortex]

it is terrifying and also really fun

[gray ice]

life is rough on tertium

[spare talon]

but sometimes it actually does spawn with a horde

[royal vortex]

captain + cspawn with a horde really stresses the brain muscles

[stable cypress]

I had the lone captain with no music too, it was kind of depressing

[royal vortex]

adds some wrinkles

[spare talon]

in which my group had an ogryn tonk the captain while everyone else dealt with the horde

and maybe 1 person did dps instead of horde

[rocky nacelle]

When a captain pulls up with a CS and BoN turning the map into the gulag

[royal vortex]

it is genuinely unsettling. like my brain is so used to "big fight = music" that the first couple of times i was actually a little distressed

[stable cypress]

See I want more shit like this + hostile architecture in main game to make things interesting

[gray ice]

the hatman is waiting by the next medicae

[royal vortex]

lmao

[sullen forge]

Literally every man for themselves when that shit happens

[stable cypress]

not just "lol 3/4ths of your melee options are unusable b/c hitmass increases"

[sullen forge]

we love pseudo-difficulty increases that force you into the meta options because

[hearty nebula]

:3c

[sullen forge]

they literally are the only effective way to stay alive for more than 2 seconds

[royal vortex]

i do not conceptually understand 'artificial difficulty'. games are entirely artificial. i have failed so far to find a darktide in my backyard and this upsets me

[spare talon]

its why low boss maelstroms are so popular

[gray ice]

You must find the seed of a Vermintide II tree and water it very carefully for 30 days and 30 nights

[royal vortex]

but i feel like opinions get weird on havoc because i see people say relic blade is 'mid' and sometimes 'mid except for one feature that makes it good on havoc' and it feels in essence the same thing as saying 'this is a car except for all the space around it that isn't a car'

[gray ice]

Only then will you discover a darktide in your backyard

Relic blade is straight fire

[golden rain]

People call me deranged, appaeently, but Monstrous Specials is a fun Maelstrom mutator.

[gray ice]

Other opinions are misinformation spread by controlled agents

[spare talon]

99% of people agree with you

[vague depot]

Hi about your relic sword build could I bring tknifes instead of a grenade

[gray ice]

switch it as you see fit my mane

that's what builds are for

Just know you're giving up a lotta protection by not going on left side

[vague depot]

I think I’m pretty much addicted to them I tried using your build and stood in the middle of a horde for 5 solid seconds staring at the immolation grenade in my hand

[royal vortex]

i take tknives on havoc and mentally accept they have been downgraded to "staggering a single special at range with a side of maybe killing them"

[gray ice]

so be real comfy with marty if you're gonna be getting rid of defensive options

[royal vortex]

i wish blitzes could have upgrade knowns

nodes

not knowns

brain melting

[flat iris]

ive been banished to the imaterium courtesy of a beast of nurgle

[royal vortex]

imagine tknives being converted into tomahawks

[vague depot]

Right now?

[gray ice]

holy throwing axes would be legit

[hard nexus]

nah tomorrow

[royal vortex]

literally just like import the throwing axes from vt2 let me reload my blitz by calling them back

[vague depot]

Yea I been working on it

[hard nexus]

tomorrow or sunday

[royal vortex]

it would still have less uptime than the insane fucking 12 tknives you get in reserve

[vague depot]

What time is it for you rn

[golden rain]

Invoke the Astropaths to guide the axes back to you

[royal vortex]

[gray ice]

I actually kinda thought that knives should probably just be able to be picked up instead of replenished through ammo

[hard nexus]

2:41am

[gray ice]

not that it should actually ever happen, but scavenger aspect of throwing weapons

[royal vortex]

best timezone

[gray ice]

only timezone

[royal vortex]

did you edit it to "2:40" just to edit it back once you realized the minute had changed

[plucky gate]

Hey anyone wanna join my havoc 30? we got 1 slot

[placid fiber]

Welp... I guess this is what I'm going to be working with while leveling the mastery on this weapon...

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

yes

[royal vortex]

i would've done that

[placid fiber]

I can't change the mk until mastery rank 7 lol

[vague depot]

Oh bet how about somewhere in between 5 to 11 pm your time

[gray ice]

perfectly fine

[royal vortex]

i cannot comment

[placid fiber]

I got it to 5 with the resources I had x.x

[grizzled aspen]

That is not terrible, all things considered.

[hard nexus]

wait no, i sent it as 2:40, realized the time changed, then edited it to 2:41

edited it

edit edit

[opaque island]

wack

[hard nexus]

editedit

[placid fiber]

It helps that I've seen people talking about what blessings to use on it

[grizzled aspen]

Meow when the word "edit" appears on her screen:

[gray ice]

I'm gonna smoke and try to fight the urge to do more relic blade games

[royal vortex]

this was my second guess but i went for the one that required more effort to figure out

[opaque island]

its like ive already lost for no fault of my own for reasons completely out of my control. what is this? Life?!

[royal vortex]

i have flew too close to the sun

[vague depot]

By chance could you stream it for me sometime

[gray ice]

Life: The most unfair game ever created

[placid fiber]

Meh... I kind of want 10% elites and 25% carapace while I get used to the weapon... sadly I only have access to t2 perks x.x

[hard nexus]

intelligence maxxing

[gray ice]

I mean I can stream in like 20 mins if you want

[hard nexus]

yah ill be free

[gray ice]

I am bad though

[vague depot]

It’s fine I can absolutely learn something

[royal vortex]

i watch people play so i can figure out what theyre doing right and do the opposite

i am perfecting the art of the sandbag

[vague depot]

I’m heading to bed rn though are you aight with me randomly pinging you if I see you active in chat

[gray ice]

Go for it that happens already anyways

[vague depot]

Fair enough

[royal vortex]

i used to have a guy who would ping me in the dead of night (in my timezone) with questions about weapons and he spoke about me like i was the second coming of christ

[vague depot]

I always get the itch to ask a shit ton of questions when it’s night

[royal vortex]

saves me the effort of actually doing something worth being praised for

[south folio]

false prophet

[royal vortex]

Arco

Leave

Now

[vernal terrace]

you arent? wtf. get your cult status up

[grizzled aspen]

The second coming of Christ is Cole, actually.

/j

[gray ice]

I feel like I vaguely remember this and silently always wondered what that was about

[grizzled aspen]

Now I have to go repent for saying that.

[gray ice]

Cole is more like the second coming of a yeast infection

[vague depot]

Cole slaw

[royal vortex]

i have a very particular aversion to being "known". every person who remembers me is one more reason to be terrified

[gray ice]

I will remember you always

[spare talon]

what

[gray ice]

what

[opaque island]

there is a version of you in the heads of everyone you interact with

[grizzled aspen]

That is fuckin peak.

[opaque island]

are any of htem really you? are all of them?

[grizzled aspen]

Get screenshotted, idiot.

[vernal terrace]

the main reason i remember you is the pfp you had when i first joined (mental trauma) and cole mentioning you from time to time

[royal vortex]

when i was a small(er) child on the internet i often did something similar to people at sort of random so i've never thought about it too hard

but i, truthfully, am fucking weird

[grizzled aspen]

We've got a self aware one.

[gray ice]

Don't worry I know

[royal vortex]

neither of these are good reasons and this mildly saddens me

[gray ice]

But it's okay, yours doesn't get in the way of being a terrible person, and that's what matters

overcome those character flaws

[vernal terrace]

its fine lol

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1265479387571159182/crackbert.gif

[grizzled aspen]

I remember Josho as the based crusher man that told me I was dumb and stupid for how I tried running crusher.

[royal vortex]

get that fuckign crack pipe AWAY FROM THE CAT

death

[grizzled aspen]

Wdym, that's Cole smoking that crack.

[vague depot]

For a while I was remembered as the pervert who manages 15 gacha games as once

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008291701766492210/1289949119800147981/doc_2024-09-29_16-21-27.gif

[vague depot]

Glad that era is over

Now I play 16

[opaque island]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-happy-angry-crazy-gif-13410715

[grizzled aspen]

You still are

You play Nikke, ffs.

I hope you explode, bro.

[royal vortex]

being mentioned by cole is a fate worse than death. there is no alternative for me now

[vague depot]

Nikke is a good game

[south folio]

send the brain worms that will cause josho to feed crack cocaine to his cat

[vague depot]

You wouldn’t understand

[opaque island]

🚿

[spare talon]

why are you so mean to me

[grizzled aspen]

YOU LITERALLY WATCH ANIME GIRL ASS JIGGLE WHEN THEY HAVE RECOIL FOR FUN

[spare talon]

what did i do to you

[vague depot]

It’s not always about the ass

[grizzled aspen]

YOU ARE A FUCKING BRAIN ROTTED GOONER

EXPLODE

[vague depot]

There’s more body parts

[grizzled aspen]

Lord, grant me strength...

[vague depot]

New banner is a perfect case in point

[gray ice]

Oh yeah how's you havoc grind going

[grizzled aspen]

I'm going to smite you, dude.

[gray ice]

you end up finding a group?

[grizzled aspen]

Not psyker smite, either.

[vague depot]

Roll a d10

[grizzled aspen]

I'm going to 6th level divine smite you from dnd with a guaranteed crit.

[opaque island]

🚿

[grizzled aspen]

You are going to fucking die from that.

[royal vortex]

you haven't done anything worse genuine scorn so i am playing the villain to give you purpose in this meaningless zealot chat

[spare talon]

did 40 and true survivor in a party finder group

[grizzled aspen]

Also compelled duel.

Explode.

[red pawn]

blessing for relic blade? im thinking cranial grounding and syphon but i got no clue what's good

[vague depot]

I shower man it’s not that bad

[vague depot]

Cranial and rampage I think

[opaque island]

its not about stink, i couldnt find a spraybottle emoji

you horny fuck

[grizzled aspen]

Syphon is bad. Cranial rampage for non havoc, cranial wrath for havoc.

[red pawn]

ok ty

[grizzled aspen]

Also, if you wanna be a real chad, use mk2.

[royal vortex]

don't paladins only get up to 5th level spell slots

[vague depot]

I’m a enlightened pervert

[gray ice]

dammmmm nice masne

[grizzled aspen]

It is so much better than mk10 it isn't even funny.

[royal vortex]

you're going to call me a nerd - which is true, but not for that reason. i fucking hate 5e

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, that's the point I'm making.

[royal vortex]

or that

alright

[vague depot]

I got so horny it all went back around and I managed to reach this state of inner peace with my lust

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-cycle-continues-mob-of-the-dead-black-ops2-bo2-zombies-gif-22033570

[grizzled aspen]

I am going to break the mold and use a 6th level spell slot on a paladin.

[vague depot]

I’m chill

[royal vortex]

i love this imagine

thank you

[opaque island]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-ariane-elster-dance-apnoiac-gif-9807235051634731525

cycle this, cycle that, why dont you cycle yourself some bitches

[grizzled aspen]

Oh I hate 5e too!

It's so fucking shit!

[hard nexus]

i love signalis

if u couldn’t tell

by my profile

[grizzled aspen]

3.5 had cool stuff but most 3.5 purists are awful people that can't have fun without micromanagement of resources.

[royal vortex]

all friends (except 1) i have made in this chat were a direct result of me being an unrepentant gremlin. think on this before you inquire about my rudeness next time, l'estrade, if that even IS your zealot's name...

[gray ice]

not at all

[vague depot]

There was this one signalis animator on twitter that single-handedly got me into the game

The combat animations were goated

[grizzled aspen]

Where's that image of the dude blushing speaking into a microphone saying "Lesbian robots... pretty..."

[hard nexus]

arainydancer?

[royal vortex]

i've been meaning to buy it for a while now and it's stuck in josho decision paralysis hell where it will remain for a long, long time

[red pawn]

hang on, if cranial is good, why isn't heatsink also good?

[hard nexus]

yah it was arainydancer

[hard nexus]

please play it it’s so fucking peak

[vague depot]

I can’t remember but their work usually was a 50/50 between bloody combat or girls kissing

[opaque island]

Just Do It

[hard nexus]

yarp that’s her

[royal vortex]

i have heard only good things about it

[grizzled aspen]

Because cranial adds damage, even if it's only slightly more.

[vague depot]

W

[opaque island]

dont let your memes be dreams

[red pawn]

oh i see, thanks

[vague depot]

Yea I fw signalis heavy

[hard nexus]

she’s got the animation of elster grabbing a fire axe to kill a EULE?

[grizzled aspen]

Cranial is a very small % precision damage boost for each stack on top of the heat reduction bonus.

[royal vortex]

if i can be real, here, as a real one does, i have played high end havoc with both cranial and heatsink and i think it may just come down to personal preference

[red pawn]

wait then why not energy leakage over cranial? surely it gives more?

[vague depot]

I think the one I memorize the most was counting bullets in between fight scenes

[grizzled aspen]

Energy leakage is a trap blessing because you don't want to edge heat.

[red pawn]

ahhh

[grizzled aspen]

You do not benefit from having high heat at all outside of having energy leakage.

And other blessings make it harder to generate heat.

[red pawn]

i usually just take whatever the pros say, but now i actually ask why and i find it super helpful

[royal vortex]

like anecdotally i actually did more damage relative to my other teammates when bringing heatsink i think, compared to cranial

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, that's a good practice to have.

[royal vortex]

although that's far more down to variability in singular game instances

[vague depot]

I keep forgetting to power on a lot

[grizzled aspen]

Ngl, so do I.

But then I see 6 dreg ragers running towards me and think "man I need to delete that."

[vague depot]

When I do its on for like 5 seconds to clear a big/mixed horde or take care of a bunch of elites

I don’t like overheating it just doesn’t tickle me right

[royal vortex]

i actually got saved earlier when i fucked up my positioning trying to bail someone out of a corner and got blocked in by like 3 dreg ragers + horde

[grizzled aspen]

Yarp, that's exactly how I use it, too.

[royal vortex]

because the psword activation counts as a block

[gray ice]

aight time to stop lying to myself and smite more heretics with a greatsword

[royal vortex]

which is just the sickest shit ever

[opaque island]

godamn there's alot of these

[grizzled aspen]

I can't stand the idea of having it be too hot to use when elites are trying to eat my face.

[opaque island]

well they're definitely getting their practice in

[royal vortex]

the biggest downside to the activation mechanic is that it's faster to qq to turn it off than hitting the button

it feels uncool and sweaty

[hard nexus]

if you liked the story of slay the princess you’ll like signalis

trust

[royal vortex]

perhaps it will be done

[gray ice]

I like the animations enough that I feel no desire to qq

[opaque island]

no perhaps, tomorrow never comes! its always today!

[royal vortex]

i do too, but then i get fucked because of the animation duration before it actually turns off

i've gotten locked out multiple times after hitting the special button

[gray ice]

yea that's happened a few times

[royal vortex]

which is a momentary feelsbad 10x greater than some minor qq sins

[gray ice]

since it's not instant, which can suck when you literally just DO NOT have the time

[hard nexus]

play it and let me know how you like it

[hearty nebula]

god

the new pubs are

actually moronic

[royal vortex]

will do

[gray ice]

sales and new platform the christmas nubs are here, nothin you can do

[spare talon]

i do
i still will kill it anyway

[hard nexus]

the worst is deactivating it, and getting block broken by it

[hearty nebula]

context: i dropped a medpack because i was also fighting a rager horde while they had their thumbs up their ass with the daemonhost

[hard nexus]

and then tanking like 5 hits

[royal vortex]

i activated a daemonhost i knew was there on accident by chorusing to revive @south folio

and then we lost

because i was dead

[hard nexus]

don’t die next time

[south folio]

so true

[royal vortex]

(and SOMEONE moved too far forward and my respawn got moved to the next point)

it was a good trade actually

[gray ice]

DH said no reading here

[south folio]

josho have you considered not dying

[royal vortex]

arco was the last one alive

[royal vortex]

hey

hey

watch this

[south folio]

?

[hearty nebula]

josho... stop dying noob

[south folio]

josho has disappeared

[royal vortex]

look at the top part

[hard nexus]

ok so i say the joke and everyone repeats it

i see how it is

[hearty nebula]

not even top damage? noob

[south folio]

josho is huffing up all of the ammo

[hearty nebula]

fat fuck

[royal vortex]

i have searched people's messages obsessively so many times i typed from:josho__ has:image by heart

[gray ice]

geniuses are only recognized after death

[royal vortex]

im a professional at this

[grizzled aspen]

The only thing I wish relic blade would have would be drawing animations like psyker's fgs.

[royal vortex]

i stand there and i chorus

[royal vortex]

PLEASE use a different abbreviation i keep reading this as a bad word

[hearty nebula]

bfgs has better value

[royal vortex]

it has been a constant problem since december 3rd

[gray ice]

what word is that

[hard nexus]

BFG

is better

[hearty nebula]

well

[north sedge]

It's so juicy

[royal vortex]

one i am allowed to say but will not to respect the sanctity of this land

[hearty nebula]

BFG is already taken by big fucking gun

and a fairly iconic one at that

[grizzled aspen]

I know what word youre thinking of and I promise I had the same issue. Just remember automod prevents us from saying that word.

[hearty nebula]

and i'm not fucking calling it the moonlight greatsword because if im being honest

souls games are kind of ass

[hard nexus]

that’s why it’s funny

[gray ice]

automod used to stop no one

[grizzled aspen]

I couldn't say the word for a british cigarette if I wanted to.

[north sedge]

Fat and gay

[gray ice]

what a time

[royal vortex]

i am a chronic reads-word-wrong-on-first pass guy

[hard nexus]

alright i have to block you now im sorry

i hope you understand

[fathom helm]

I wish there wasn't a tax node, banishing should be built in and 2 more side nodes added for more buff variety.

Like they could add a node that grants a 15% attack and move speed buff to allies while channeling, if you do at least 5 pulses you and allies then get a lingering 7.5% attack and movement speed buff for 10 seconds.

On the other side they could add a node that applies a burn stack to nearby enemies for every pulse.

The other thing I would change is removing mutual exclusivity between Holy Cause and Ecclesiarches Call, instead making the new attack speed node and EC mutually exclusive with each other, otherwise if you could stack them things would get very wild and overpowered.

[hearty nebula]

ass for anyone with more than 1 braincell

[grizzled aspen]

I also have to block you, good riddance.

[royal vortex]

like i skim sentences and misread them on the first go constantly, it is hell

[grizzled aspen]

Begone, bumpy weird.

[hearty nebula]

its not bumpy weird

[grizzled aspen]

You are bumpy weird.

Souls games are peak.

[gray ice]

This is an easily solvable problem

[hard nexus]

i have more brain cells than you ever will

[hearty nebula]

false

[royal vortex]

i think it should be rolled into the base ult too but i actually want them to make the side nodes different chorus 'modes'

[gray ice]

Have you considered reading ever slightly slower

[royal vortex]

like one could be a banner you place down

so u dont have to carry it

[hard nexus]

ds3 is peak

the other 2 are not

[grizzled aspen]

More than 0 is an incredibly low bar to jump over.

[hearty nebula]

well

[hard nexus]

true

[hearty nebula]

i never said i don't like them

but they are ass

[grizzled aspen]

You died in the tomb of the giants from falling a lot in ds1, didnt you?

[royal vortex]

no this is like an ego thing, i read fast and (mostly) get it right if i'm paying attention

[hard nexus]

no i haven’t played either of them

they’re so bad

[royal vortex]

my self esteem would wither away and die if i had to read like someone's fkin grandpa

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

Then you don't get to judge.

[hearty nebula]

and moonlight greatsword is always also ass and absolutely outshone by basically any other weapon of its class

but its cool

[gray ice]

But are there speeds between 4 car pile up and grandpa out shopping on his motor scooter

[placid fiber]

I feel like I did pitiful this run... it was more my team was pushing forwards quite aggressively and I am still learning the new map... so they got to kill more enemies than I did since I was lagging behind...

[hard nexus]

mmmm waiter waiter more interconnected areas!!! (it’s a single fucking elevator(this all falls apart in the latter half of the game))

[royal vortex]

if i pay for the whole speedometer

[grizzled aspen]

The only issues with ds1, aside from graphics, are issues with dodging (it only has forward, backward, left, and right dodges, no diagonals), and tomb of the giants being so fucking dark.

[hearty nebula]

(unless it's earlier armored core games in which case they're ludicrously strong)

[royal vortex]

i'm using the whole speedometer

[grizzled aspen]

Ds2 has definite issues that I am 100% agreeing with, though.

[gray ice]

brick on the accelerator it is

we ball

[royal vortex]

hell yeah

[grizzled aspen]

Just say you don't know how to build, dude.

Moonlight greatsword is one of the best weapons in the game across all series, but you have to have an int build.

[rigid trellis]

you can avoid the shitty dodges by not locking on

[grizzled aspen]

Only very specific things can outdo it, like running a dark infused uchigatana on a dex/int build in ds3.

Because that's like 1.6k damage per light.

40 int/40 dex go brrrr.

Quality builds are fun.

[grizzled aspen]

I have 600 hours in ds1, I know.

:)

[rigid trellis]

[hearty nebula]

yeah

if you have an int build

[grizzled aspen]

Are you stupid?

[gray ice]

that is typically how rpgs work yes

[grizzled aspen]

Genuine question.

[gray ice]

you build for specfic items

[grizzled aspen]

That's like saying the fume ultra is bad because you're not a strength build.

Idiot.

Makes no fucking sense at all.

[twin wagon]

You are both idiots for playing soulslike slop

lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Ok, dude, youre blocked.

@hard nexus kill him.

[hearty nebula]

so

[gray ice]

Souls games are great tho so like

shrug

[hearty nebula]

you're going to go using int for stuff you don't even really care about

to get a weapon that's like

almost at the end of the game

needs dragon scales to upgrade

[grizzled aspen]

I'm going to use int to build my character for int weapons, yes.

[royal vortex]

i played 5 mins of ds3 and simply did not enjoy the vibe

[grizzled aspen]

That's how it works.

[hearty nebula]

and has a requirement of 40 int

[twin wagon]

Cry about it, you will check every blocked message I send

[grizzled aspen]

40 is soft cap, that's fine.

[hearty nebula]

to use it for the like last quarter of the game maybe

[grizzled aspen]

I'm going to hit that almost immediately anyway.

[royal vortex]

this may be the funniest response to being blocked possible

[lean lark]

bro missed out on the best videogame trilogy final boss

[opaque island]

where did this opinion that souls games are slop even come from? I feel like this is people being contrary just for fun, like they are widely regarded to be good action RPGs?

[grizzled aspen]

Just say you don't know how to play souls games, smh.

[lean lark]

(slave knight gael)

[hearty nebula]

because its true probably

[opaque island]

nah man soul of cinder was peak

[grizzled aspen]

For once, I have to agree with you, Gael is such a fucking peak fight.

[lean lark]

yeah soul of cinder was good

[north sedge]

You can say one thing, bigj consistently has the wrong opinion om everything ever

[grizzled aspen]

The lightning that just instantly oneshots you is so fun.

[lean lark]

But it doesn't beat slave knight gael

[hearty nebula]

gael is a bit better but his dialogue is somehow worse than the guy with 0

[rigid trellis]

soul of cinder would be cooler if he parried more

[royal vortex]

i can do worse

[grizzled aspen]

Soul of Cinder would be cooler if you could parry him more.

[twin wagon]

Some of us don't like game difficulty derived from slow animations/inputs

It's a preference really

[opaque island]

Gael is a great FIGHT but like i never did understand his motivation

[hearty nebula]

agreed

[north sedge]

Release the stan tape?

[gray ice]

He wants your dark soul

[hearty nebula]

the gameplay is fine enough typically

[grizzled aspen]

It's a time paradox, actually, stemming all the way from ds1.

[lean lark]

Need to get color for his lady's painting

[gray ice]

He stated as much

[royal vortex]

you must ask me before you send the truth nuke

we have to simultaneously press the launch button

[north sedge]

Haha

[opaque island]

i meant more deeper motivation

[grizzled aspen]

I can explain this paradox if you want but it'll take like 10 minutes for me to type it out and for you to read it.

[stable cypress]

he wants to fight the player character and do a jumping overhead slash

[gray ice]

I'm sorry that was sarcasm

[hearty nebula]

basically, he wants your dark soul so that the painter lady in the dlc can use it to paint a new world (cuz thats how painted worlds are made apparently)

[opaque island]

do it, no balls, and i will read it

[hearty nebula]

and break free of the cycle

[gray ice]

I was making fun of his iconic line

[lean lark]

slave knight Gael is the best final boss purely because with his sword you can style the fuck out of people in pvp

[opaque island]

see to me, these are not the things that make a good final boss

sure he has cool sword

[rigid trellis]

r1 l2 r1 true combo

[opaque island]

but like is his fight cool and fun, do i understand why they want to fight me or why im fighting them

[gray ice]

The aesthetic and atmosphere of gael's fight is what makes it for me

[lean lark]

his ost is also very cinematic

yeah

I'm more biased for pvp because I do pvp

But I appreciate PvE too

[hearty nebula]

but yeah

dark souls kind of ass not sorry. wont take it back

[opaque island]

go to frick you heckin loser

[grizzled aspen]

Long story short, every human has darkness, and it stems from the abyss. The Painter, a girl that is capable of making different dimensions through paintings, requests that Gael obtain "the blood of the dark soul" for her next painting. He goes insane because he is a hollow and doesn't realize that he is the one that has that blood. The world ends in the Ringed City DLC, where Gael is the very last person alive. Your character, being the Ashen One, is apparently capable of time travel, and goes forward into the future to kill him and return his blood to the painter.

This is VERY shorthand.

[opaque island]

im dissapointed that wasnt 10 minutes

[hearty nebula]

even if i like them

[lean lark]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[hearty nebula]

i wish it was

[grizzled aspen]

It is quite shorthand as I found ways to shorten it as I was writing and there's a bit more nuance to it, like Gale's treatment by Sister Friede.

He was absolutely obsessed with Friede.

[opaque island]

you're only saying they're ass now because its not cool to like them anymore, they're commonly recognized

[grizzled aspen]

And she got the ick.

[opaque island]

i remember when i rarely heard of dark souls 1

[hearty nebula]

i never did

[opaque island]

i mean the dude clearly wasnt taking care of himself, i mean look at that beard

[grizzled aspen]

Well, he was a slave.

[hearty nebula]

yeah gael definitely smelly

[grizzled aspen]

Can you blame him?

[opaque island]

slave knight yea

[hearty nebula]

bro needs a bucket of water dumped on him asap

[opaque island]

bucket of my big ass sword

is what he's getting

if someone ever asks for your dark soul, run or disable them and run as soon as possilbe

bad news

[hearty nebula]

we have guns

irrelevant

[royal vortex]

i just opened a gameslantern build and saw the 1h psword has "achlys" in the name and had thrust on it and i just experience a profound sense of wrongness

i think im a darktide boomer

[devout flicker]

What's a good lasgun/laspis with Ghost setup for Zealot? Havoc is really changing up my priorities lmao

[grizzled aspen]

I beat Gael with the Astora Greatsword.

That shit is peak on a quality dex build.

Lightest ultra in the game, S scaling in dex with sharp.

[hearty nebula]

well that's probably because thrust isn't the go-to option on powerswords anyways

[royal vortex]

i haven't looked at a psword item screen since before unlocked and loaded

i am getting old

[hearty nebula]

lol

its probably about the same

[royal vortex]

i really enjoy them changing all the item names for no reason

[stable cypress]

it owns

[hearty nebula]

idk i dont play veteran because there's zero good information about the class

[royal vortex]

because now i am going to refer to weapons offhandedly that technically do not exist and new people are left confused

[twin wagon]

GW

[royal vortex]

[hearty nebula]

real

[spare talon]

oh you just reminded me

i was planning on going into the other class channels and asking which combo of fake blessings i should use on a non-existant weapon i made up

[hearty nebula]

we do a little trolling

[spare talon]

and act like i was completely serious

[royal vortex]

whatever my opinion was of you before it is significantly better now

that is profoundly based

[hearty nebula]

let us know how it goes

[spare talon]

cuz it is profoundly funny

[north sedge]

So juicy

[royal vortex]

AWAY, FOUL CREATURE. RETURN TO YOUR LAND OF NO MORALS AND HUMAN SUFFERING.

[north sedge]

Haha

[twin wagon]

Could use paint to really mess with them

Copy paste the wrong blessing into the weapon

[visual stream]

Guy doing Havoc with an unupgraded duelling sword

[lean lark]

it's duelling sword

he'll be useful

[twin wagon]

Tell them "The emperor requires it's finest armaments" and kick them or stage a barrel incident.

[hearty nebula]

ah the deimos clip again

[sterile stone]

@spare talon Welp

Our psyker found out a weird bug

Dude lagged out

Came back

Got downed

And was the only one who got the true survivor title

Make it make sense

[spare talon]

????????

[gray ice]

[spare talon]

bug report it

[gray ice]

How to get True Survivor:

Step 1: Die

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-live-i-die-i-live-again-nux-mad-max-fury-road-resurrection-nicholas-hoult-gif-6889109572721885990

[drowsy steppe]

take away his true survivor privilege

[royal vortex]

"WITNESS", screams the warboy, about to perform a war-cry worthy of ten thousand ovations

(as he peels away his minimal attire)

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/witness-rage-mad-max-gif-20022990

Haha

[arctic saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-mad-max-fury-road-gif-mad-max-road-rage-powerful-gif-23410772

is it true that relic sword isn't good in havoc?

[hearty nebula]

i'd presume it performs fine

though depends on who you ask

[royal vortex]

i have used it in 30+ to great success

just slap wrath on it

u need da cleave

[arctic saffron]

watched some video last night where the author said that it's not great there because it has bad single target dam

[hearty nebula]

well

they suck

lol

almost every youtuber is just like

[arctic saffron]

[hearty nebula]

exclusively bad at the game

[spare talon]

what youtuber

[rigid trellis]

the running poke, overhead and uppercuts do a lot of single target damage

[arctic saffron]

think it was Mister E.

[spare talon]

and theres your answer

[hearty nebula]

lol

yeah im gonna be real chief

dont go on youtube or reddit or whatever to look up anything for this class

[light badge]

(or any class, tbh)

[hearty nebula]

just ask here or wait until dorn puts out his zealot guide

[arctic saffron]

roger doger cap'n

[hearty nebula]

provided he's still actually working on it after his ban

[arctic saffron]

are you saying i should be using the MkII?

[hearty nebula]

if you want combos that are a bit easier to access for single target

yeah

that's what i'd do

[arctic saffron]

gotcha, i'll get some practice in on it then

[twin wagon]

Dorn will become a martyr

[hearty nebula]

he already is probably

[spare talon]

he hates martyr

[grizzled aspen]

He is, afaik.

@spare talon you should play fo76 with me NOW.