zealot-class

[placid fiber]

the other is, at the end of the day, just +5% sprint speed

[vast basin]

swift certainty is not that useful

[winter furnace]

its really good

[hasty raft]

and dodge auto while sprinting

[placid fiber]

Unless you're trying to make a speed meme build then swift certainty is the worse of the 2 options for the connecting talent point to inexorable judgement

[viral schooner]

Really loving relic blade

[north sedge]

swift doesnt do what it says

[hasty raft]

Lol fair enough

[placid fiber]

The build I showed you is what I use with the dueling sword

[north sedge]

the tooltip is doodoo

[vast basin]

only works when sprinting perpendicular to an enemy firing and even then without it you can just... slide

[hasty raft]

Darkpill, I appreciate you fielding all moy questions

my*

[north sedge]

and running that way is a baseline mechanic, swift just makes it still work at 0 stam

[placid fiber]

I also bring the flamer, since the tknives can kill specials... that way I can roast monsters(burgles, more specifically) and bulwarks(since the attack sets them on fire through the shield)

tknives help make up for the flamer's shorter range, since you can snipe enemies with them

[hasty raft]

ah I didn't think of using the knife a better way to handle the ranged issues, vs's the revolver I used

[analog ember]

honestly in auric you don't need a gun if you run tknife

[vast basin]

tknives also can be used to shorten the swap time of the flamer

[hasty raft]

what kinda blessings you run on your flamer?

[analog ember]

(don't do that in havoc though)

i do overpressure and blaze away

[vast basin]

overpressure+blaze away tends to be what people go these days

[hasty raft]

damn I choose all the wrong things lol

[analog ember]

if you don't like reloading, blaze + everlasting flame prob

[misty nova]

Overpressure Blaze Away is peak

[hasty raft]

quickflame and fan the flames

was what I was running

[placid fiber]

This is what I use on my dueling sword, but, alternatively you can run elites, maniacs, or carapace instead of 25% unyielding. The 2nd dueling sword is the meta blessing combo, I just use uncanny on mine cause I can.

[vast basin]

yeah fan the flames does pretty much nothing from what I can tell

[mossy tulip]

Brittleness + blaze away for havoc

[placid fiber]

Those are 1 of the worst blessings, and a mid blessing. For the flamer you want Blaze Away + Overpressure/Penetrating Flames/Everlasting Flames/Inspiring Barrage

[hasty raft]

lmfao

[placid fiber]

With 25% flak and 25% of whatever you want dead the most/10% elites(I use +25% unyielding for bulwark racism/burgles)

[hasty raft]

like I said, left to my own devices I choose all the worst shit

[untold nebula]

just tried my first auric malestrom

[placid fiber]

It doesn't help that fatshark uses poor wording for their blessings

[hasty raft]

WELL AT LEAST i did that right

[untold nebula]

wild shit

lots of fun though

[analog ember]

i really like unyielding on flamer

esp for havoc

[placid fiber]

This is pretty much how you want your flamer set up. Everlasting Flames is for a piety build

Inspiring Barrage is nice for survival, but, Overpressure/Penetrating Flames/Everlasting Flames just outclass it in general

[hard nexus]

nah everlasting flames isn’t that good

[placid fiber]

Btw what type of curios are you using on your zealot?

[hard nexus]

rarely ever will you need more than a full mag on flamer

[placid fiber]

It's for a piety build, otherwise I would never use it... and I am thinking a piety build with the +10% crit from the right side pathing

[analog ember]

2x toughness, 1x hp iirc

[viral schooner]

Fire. Death. Renewal.

[hasty raft]

So I was using wounds and 30% toughness, +5 toughness, 5 max health

[midnight cape]

Whats the best curion substats?

[hard nexus]

you almost never need more flame than you have in a mag,

and taking everlasting flame just means you can’t take overpressure, meaning less damage, meaning you need to fire longer

[placid fiber]

2 toughness is definitely an excellent choice. This is how I build my zealot curios, tho, some people say take 20% sniper instead of the 3rd gunner resist... other people say 3 is alright.

[hard nexus]

meaning more ammo consumption

[analog ember]

everlasting flames is mostly for funni meme

[hard nexus]

yarp

[analog ember]

i think at least 1x sniper is worthwhile

regardless of the class

[hard nexus]

not on zealot imo

[placid fiber]

My bet is that it's more for monstrous specials/laziness(cuz u don't want to reload your flamer cuz ur lazy)

[hard nexus]

at least

if you’re good enough

sniper becomes a pointless resistance

[viral schooner]

Side step sniper shots

[analog ember]

well the times you get hit by sniper are often the times you'd get hit regardless of the class you play

[spare dome]

just throw a knife at their head

[viral schooner]

Gunner just be brrrrrrr

[gleaming furnace]

Sad ogryn noises

[placid fiber]

I'd say more so for psyker and maybe vet... it is definitely helpful on zealot as well. Ogryns get 20% dr as a base on their class(on top of 20% toughness dr) so I don't take sniper resist on them

[gleaming furnace]

[gusty orbit]

poxburster resistance when

[analog ember]

sometimes snipers are just playing rainbow six and get you through a 2mm diameter murder hole from the top of the hive city

[gleaming furnace]

Already exists

[copper hawk]

I hate roundfish

[gleaming furnace]

It’s called corruption resist

[placid fiber]

They might be bigger targets, but, I play like a zealot on all 3 other non-zealot classes... dodging has been ingrained in me since vt2 lol

[analog ember]

psyker is my second zealot character

[gleaming furnace]

o_0

[analog ember]

right hand psyker is best played as a warp-flavored zealot anyway

[placid fiber]

Sweet my gorgon mk of this stubber type can 1 shot damnation trappers on a headshot without surgical giving a crit... I did have opening salvo up tho

[gleaming furnace]

Psykers the only one I regularly take sniper resist on since he’s made of wet single ply toilet paper

[copper hawk]

the new map has a bug at the last part

[placid fiber]

Nope I can do it without opening salvo as well! :3

[copper hawk]

where the door can open and let you get hit by shit on the other side

[lunar fable]

Nurgle sponsored wallhacks

[placid fiber]

I think I'm gonna use the gorgon mk on this until I get it to 500 for the rating... then again... if I wanna kill maulers more easily it would be much easier with the achlys mk...

[violet hornet]

Like this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1314061471621185647/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2024-12-04_9-50-33_PM.mp4?ex=675460dc&is=67530f5c&hm=9a3582286288a5f710979449c5991b6d1a118712e7e139626378ba9941c126a2&

[placid fiber]

483 on a body shot is meh 😦

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jelZphVLFNT8_dZgP?invite=cr-MSxiVEUsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[hard nexus]

awful

[copper hawk]

lmfao yep

just happened to me

LMFAO

SAME WEAPON

[winter furnace]

thatsl ike a bolt pistol shot 😭

[placid fiber]

takes 4 shot with the gorgon mk for a damnation mauler :/

3 with the achlys with all being crits with opening salvo lol

[violet hornet]

Fuck lol

Absolute labor of love

[spare dome]

oh yea i just had two bursters hit us

in this exact scenario

[copper hawk]

labor of love

fuck darktide

[spare dome]

vt2 had the same problem for nurgloth the eternal

[lunar fable]

https://tenor.com/view/going-to-prank-dad-when-he-gets-home-prank-waiting-gif-16218710

[analog ember]

outplayed

[lunar fable]

The burster

[spare dome]

their cutscenes are just camera shifts in game

so they had to just make the game delete all specials on the transition

[placid fiber]

ikr? That was without opening salvo or a crit from surgical and +20% flak...

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jelBkdRh2AIK8RJWs?invite=cr-MSxRM0csMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

got this funny clip though

[violet hornet]

I wonder if a planted ogryn shield would negate this - probably wouldn't stay planted during the cut scene tho

And does nothing for those behind you for a sniper iirc

[placid fiber]

726 without opening salvo or a crit on a mauler body shot on the achlys... 1328 with opening salvo and a crit

[spare dome]

we got to watch both bursters jump the corner into the airlock from the cinematic perspective

was funny tbh

[copper hawk]

idk how they can go out of their way to limit our inputs during the cutscene but also not have the foresight to think to disable special spawns during the cutscene or delete already spawned ones?

like exploits is right lmfao this happened in vt2

[half ruin]

Is the Shredder Autopistol any good at difficulty 4 and up? Just got a purple variant

[violet hornet]

Actually psyker bubble should work for this

[placid fiber]

893 with a crit body shot with opening salvo on the gorgon version :/

[copper hawk]

lmfao and it boots me to the main menu

[violet hornet]

Not for my burster surprise tho

[copper hawk]

a sign from allah

[lunar fable]

25 minutes

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[placid fiber]

Well... this is some bullshit... they show the end stats on the starting weapon like you could upgrade it... but when you go to hadron? Nothing... -_-

[rocky nacelle]

pranking fat shark when they fix darktide

[lunar fable]

[placid fiber]

It does at least still say nil over the item rating area lol

[misty nova]

Folks
Bloodthirsty IoD spam at havoc
Thoughts?

[rocky nacelle]

probably shits the bed later on

[solid flint]

Any advice on how to do the Just a flesh Wound penance?

[misty nova]

Hmmm
Enemies will have enough HP to stop bloodthirsty procs at high havoc

[hasty raft]

I really don't like Tknives, but I guess I'll get used to them

[misty nova]

Hmm back to square one

[hasty raft]

also def just threw a knife at the ground of an incoming horde

so theres that little scar

[north sedge]

i mean you don't HAVE to use tknives, it's personal pref

[misty nova]

Rolling Steel
Karnak Twins

[hushed knoll]

[lean lark]

22k unyielding dmg

[hard nexus]

on mk15 evis?

nah

[lean lark]

thank god this doesnt have thrust

[serene peak]

Once you start quickscoping snipers with it you'll change your mind

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jdlIcFwSAm2kTCmCA?invite=cr-MSxJb3AsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[heady frost]

i hated them until i swapped my blitz key

[violet hornet]

I should probably do this, so awkward throwing a knife with G

I gotta try the Cole dodge method of having it bound to left shift with sprint too

For now I just bound jump to left alt instead and that's been alright unless I get stuck on a slightly lowered floor grate

[vague depot]

I bound jump to left alt

[copper hawk]

same

[misty nova]

Welp
I tried
Dueling Sword or Shield Ogryn time

[copper hawk]

dueling shield

[vast basin]

call me a madman, I kept dodge on space and bound jump to mouse5

[vague depot]

I wanted to put grenade somewhere closer to my ring finger or thumb but I can’t find a good spot and I can already stretch my pointer finger to hit g so I’m keeping it for now

[copper hawk]

i kept it at g

even w tknives

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-dave-plants-vs-zombies-pvz-crazy-twiddy-dinkies-gif-25565576

[vast basin]

yeah I never swapped blitz from g

[hard nexus]

elden ring reference

[placid fiber]

Hmph... putting deadly accurate on my heavy stubber lets me reach some 1 shot breakpoints with the gorgon mk... but I then can't 1 shot damnation trappers with a headshot on a non-crit... 😦

I think I need +10% specialists and +25% maniac to 1 shot trappers with these stats on a non-crit headshot... 😦

[misty nova]

Dueling Shield
So H1 spam
Got it

[placid fiber]

without opening salvo

I also need +elites damage to 1 shot dreg gunners even with the +5% ranged damage on my gunlugger build lol

[fleet zealot]

collecting opinions, does pox gas make the game easier?

[gleaming furnace]

Depends on the map and the team

It’s fucking horrendous on refinery

[placid fiber]

It makes it much easier to take anywhere from some chip damage to a fuck ton of health damage... at the bonus of giving you way more med stims... so it just depends on how competent the team is.

[gleaming furnace]

Other maps it actually forces the team to stay in motion rather than dilly dallying

[copper hawk]

Elden spleen

[formal umbra]

pox gas is so fun because it forces my shitass team to not stand in a single corridor for 5 minutes

[lean lark]

in havoc no

[modern lintel]

comparatively its one of the better havoc mods to be stuck with imo

[lean lark]

theres too many variables but usually its a no since pox gas buffs every enemy permanently

including bosses

[formal umbra]

i had an auric maelstrom with it yesterday and it was sooooo fun

[placid fiber]

My oggy builds probably could do pox gas pretty easily below 33% hp with this talent since I get 5% while bracing my ranged per second... and that, if the description is correct, would make it 10% toughness/sec regen while bracing lol

[lean lark]

a pox gas buffed plogryn oneshot a full tough and hp vet in one of my games

[formal umbra]

we had 2 relic zealots and it completely negated the gas

[misty nova]

I think it does make it easy
Specially because once you learn where the safe spots are you can just save your HP and get a lot of med stimms

[lean lark]

havoc doesnt get the stims sadly

or either ive been insanely unlucky

[modern lintel]

i dont think havok gas mod gives the same amount of stims

[misty nova]

Ooh
What if it also interacts with FNP tg replenish

[placid fiber]

Same for if I had my autopistol on my zealot, since I always put inspiring barrage on my autopistols... which helps a lot when shooting at shooters or getting my toughness back real quickly if I somehow lost it

[placid fiber]

Hm... with this on top of the keystone's base 2.5% per... it could be up to 12.5% toughness/sec regen while bracing... and the heavies restore toughness talents would be up to 50% per proc...

[fleet zealot]

you must be

[placid fiber]

[fleet zealot]

last 2 gas mission havocs

tons of stims

drowning in them

[lean lark]

i got genuinely 2 medicae stims, 2 combat and 1 swiftness

in my pox gas havoc

[fleet zealot]

fatshark peak consistency

[placid fiber]

If I only had +25% maniac damage on this stubber instead of +20%(I need more mastery for t4 perks) then I am 95% sure this would have been a 1 shot with the crit and t3 deadly accurate

game crashed lol

[plush estuary]

breakpoint testing with tier 3 perks and blessing

smh

[placid fiber]

That's what I get for doing hadron stuff in the meat grinder, I guess...

[misty nova]

Alright
Think I can cook something that still gives me 40% rending bleed while also funny braced tg replenish

[placid fiber]

I was right! I got t4 perks from 1 more sacrifice and +25% maniac let me kill damnation flamers on a crit headshot lol

With the gorgon mk, that is. The achlys would have easily done it, I just want to bring the gorgon while leveling the mastery in heresy runs <.<

Oh yeah, I forgot we got a new map as well... Might as well try it out lol

[flat iris]

how does boltpistol hold up against revolver nowadays?

[vague depot]

Sidegrade

Still useful for the stagger but lethal prox doesn’t work on crusher anymore

Sadge

[vast basin]

wasnt that impactful anyway lets be honest

[vague depot]

It was cool to see though

[misty nova]

Sidegrade
Zarona for massive damage
Bolt pistol for good damage and utility

[vague depot]

That was a huge ass explosion

[lunar fable]

@rocky nacelle

maybe i will be able to farttide

[flat iris]

ooo i see

wait what’s the boltpistol utility?

[north sedge]

Their sales did surpass server capacity last night

Boltpistol is functionally similar to revolver, except less cleave but you get clip reload

[misty nova]

Mostly referring to the AoE interruption
But there's also the Bistol higher suppression
Firing uptime
More ammo

[vague depot]

The biggest selling point I always saw was being able to open up bulwarks but I never actually used it for that

How do you do it again

[lunar fable]

insane

and it'll probably go up

[north sedge]

"Don't worry we have 1 million player capacity....and we surpassed that in sales 12 hours prior..."

[misty nova]

Think you need max collateral
Then aim down sights for faster firing rate

Either hit the shield a couple times or wait for it to swing

[placid fiber]

Huh, with 25% unyielding on it the achlys twin linked stubber actually does fairly decent damage to heresy monsters... I was thinking like... 70% of the damage it was doing, before, was from the burn damage on my gunlugger build... not the actual stubber itself. I do have overwhelming fire and blaze away on it tho... I accidentally used a version that had the 30% rending instead of the burn on hit against a spawn and I realized it just as I started shooting... I was very surprised how much damage it did. :/

[hasty raft]

that sounds heretically ogryn

[placid fiber]

This is my monster killer baby, for my burn on hit gunlugger build... :3

[placid fiber]

I just hadn't seen how well it did without the career skill and burn on hit up... so I always thought most of the damage was the burning... :/

I did you know... maybe 1 or 2 tests... nothing all that extensive... cough cough

This is how much my gorgon non-twin linked stubber does on my heavy hitter build with all headshots(I don't have 25% unyielding on it)

[rocky nacelle]

play a better diablo game

[placid fiber]

in 1 mag that is

[lunar fable]

d4

[placid fiber]

the achlys one didn't do much better lol

[rocky nacelle]

minecraft dungeons > d4

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/warlock-adam-warlock-gif-9447053260948924620

I am him

[rocky nacelle]

though most games are better than d4, and thats a disservice to minecraft dungeons

[rocky nacelle]

adam warcock

[wooden basalt]

I am waiting for early reviews

[placid fiber]

meanwhile the krourk, since it has stopping power as a main stat and only had 33% in it, didn't even get to half hp on the monster lol

[wooden basalt]

if people say POE2 owns I might get it but if it's like 78% on steam I'm gonna skip it

[rocky nacelle]

add me on rivals

[median steeple]

he's incredibly fun

[rocky nacelle]

hes the only healer I play when we need 1

lmfao

cracked out mercy + projectile weapon

[placid fiber]

man it's hard to hit a chaos spawn's head... even while it is just doing idle animations

[median steeple]

him and loki are what I play for strats

[wooden basalt]

I liked a lot of what I saw about the game and I was curious about the new gameplay but after I saw they were saying "we are adding 100 UNIQUE BOSSES" I was like whoa, you guys know that your boss encounters in POE1 are, dare I say, junk? you really want to make a game that is nothing BUT boss encounters?

so I'm wary after that

[median steeple]

DM me your name or something unless it's the same as steam

[lunar fable]

[median steeple]

1000k

[rocky nacelle]

the same as steam with an underscore at the end

[median steeple]

lowercase p?

[rocky nacelle]

yea

[wooden basalt]

every boss in POE1 is like, some are okay, but I think every single one has one attack that you basically can't avoid or do anything about you just take the L and lose a portal

unless you get, INCREDIBLY lucky

or you have some god build that just eats hits like nothing

[median steeple]

I sent it hopefully that was you

[wooden basalt]

mageblood

[haughty haven]

Your tests are without burn em up?

[median steeple]

yea

mes

[lunar fable]

some former blizzard exec was complaining about marvel rivals

[median steeple]

watching everyone get peak skins in rivals while venture gets a mid asf collab skin as their first legendary half a year after they launched

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027028628988514326/1314668393047134298/twittervid.com_MrZeddus_58ab56.mp4?ex=67549bda&is=67534a5a&hm=c47b241570e07245665c6f9425e6f812a975c38e6384dad83814eba3994a2b42&

[placid fiber]

I did the 3 tests on my heavy hitter build for all 3 of the non-twin linked heavy stubbers... the achlys stubber killed a plague ogryn with 30 ammo left over in the mag(the twin linked achlys) for the test I did with it

[rocky nacelle]

happy thanks giving

[haughty haven]

Yeah achylys fucks so hard

[median steeple]

I have a couple problems with rivals like it starting in admin mode and breaking my discord

and wolverine feeling so underpowered

[placid fiber]

With the 30% rending gunlugger build I killed the plague ogryn* with 6 ammo left in the mag with a damage stim and all headshots on the achlys non-twin linked stubber

[haughty haven]

Oof

[placid fiber]

These are only heresy monsters, tho, and I don't have 25% unyielding on it

[haughty haven]

Thats actually insane

[placid fiber]

Forgot to mention that lol

[rocky nacelle]

hes just trynadmere

[median steeple]

didn't lugger get nerfed with the weird rework they did

[placid fiber]

If I had blaze away instead of deadly accurate on the heavy stubbers(not the twin linked ones) I would probably do more damage to the monsters :/

[placid fiber]

No, they only rearranged talents... they didn't change any numbers on them

[median steeple]

then why tf were people complaining about lugger getting nerfed

[winter furnace]

cus

complainingis fun

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/zim-invader-zim-angry-kill-rage-gif-22965394

[fleet zealot]

because professional whiners

[placid fiber]

for the lulz, it's a joke I think

[fleet zealot]

it's literally just nodes changing places

[rocky nacelle]

anyways psycho the real swag character is iron fist

[median steeple]

everytime I faced an IF he gets decimated

[north sedge]

They moved 3 nodes, it's pretty devastating

[haughty haven]

They moved the bracing one behind more glugger points

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/its-alll-so-tiresome-tired-gif-14029153

[placid fiber]

Also... I gotta say: this talent is extremely handy whether you're a melee ogryn or a gunlugger one... If you want toughness after a fight you can just brace your ranged and regen it lol

[fleet zealot]

Such a heavy nerf to the worst class in the game

[haughty haven]

That one

[wooden basalt]

you ever watch that? empire of dust, good little documentary

[placid fiber]

Since I don't use lynchpin anymore I take it on my melee and ranged builds

[median steeple]

Nah I haven't

I should tho

Just been busy

also just started Good Omens

[wooden basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOkrYW3vF0o here you go watch it now in... what looks like 144p

[haughty haven]

I been revisiting the umbrella academy

[wooden basalt]

it's a documentary about china trying to build a road in africa

[haughty haven]

I've seen it before but was drunk for all of it so it never really set in

[placid fiber]

Welp, time to see how having 240 toughness feels... 217 felt great, before, so I'm guessing it will feel... roughly the same... I'll just take slightly lower chip amounts to my hp each time I guess since every hit will remove a lower overall % of my toughness...

[wooden basalt]

alas

[rocky nacelle]

if only people actually used him right like triple jumping and abusing over HP

you get melted fast in this game though

if you're out of position usually

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/fallen-kingdom-reverse-fallen-kingdom-gif-14770017966189008391

[placid fiber]

I took the +100% toughness while below 33% hp instead of the lights refresh heavy hitter's duration

[rocky nacelle]

the sheer velocity he got sent flying

[placid fiber]

I doubt I'll ever have it actually get used, tho...

[median steeple]

yeah that's why wolverine feels so weird since he's a dive character with no mobility and his life steal on a long ass cooldown

I guess his shift counts?

but it's on a 15s cooldown

[haughty haven]

Weird i thought they had moved steady aim

Plus big boom is maybe worth now

Before it had a meh perk in front of it

[spare talon]

we all actually died because we were too distracted from the fact that he lived

and he clutched it

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-im-the-guy-spy-kids-the-guy-gif-24510920

[spare talon]

that clip ends 5 secnds before i get hit by 2 bulwarks which instantly kills me through both wounds

[vast basin]

I mean it is 2 ogryns smacking a psyker with clubs

[grave cypress]

can I get peoples takes on the relic blade and what I should be running on it

dont hurt me please

[vast basin]

check pins

[untold nebula]

auric maelstrom got HANDS jesus

[grave cypress]

thanks Antagonist you're the real zealot everyone else here is fake zealots

[opal star]

it’s a funny generalist weapon

[grave cypress]

id honestly sorta forget zealot was getting anything, People were talking about the psyker greatsword so much I forgot about the zealot weapon

[opal star]

I would suggest using cranial grounding and rampage as blessings w/ carapace and whatever (elite?) for perks

[plush estuary]

check pins

oh wait

[opal star]

At first I thought heatsink but that’s only really good for-

[lean lark]

relic blade very good, run leakage rampage/cranial/syphon with perks being maniac and elites, choose mk10 or mk2 based off of your preferences

[opaque island]

its flak and elites afaik

[lean lark]

inexorable judgement/martyr are commonly most used for it

[opal star]

blazing piety tho

[tepid sorrel]

you can run literally whatever it's a good weapon zzzz

[winter furnace]

bogos binted

[placid fiber]

Huh a cutscene during the run...

[visual stream]

WHAT

[arctic saffron]

for the relic blade guide in the pin, what does mobility dump mean?

[plush estuary]

that stat should be 60

while the other 4 should all be 80

[arctic saffron]

does that mean i just have to wait until i find one that has those stats?

[grave cypress]

every stat 80 mobility 60

[plush estuary]

for most optimal

[wraith cipher]

id dump heat management now

i have an 60 mobility

and im running around close to psyker speed

its ass

[plush estuary]

it doesnt work like that

[wraith cipher]

and 60 heat management is like a 1.5 sec difference

yeah it does

[plush estuary]

so true bestie

[placid fiber]

lol

[plush estuary]

one sec in mission

will show the stats in a min

[wraith cipher]

60 mobility is like -0.3 run speed

[arctic saffron]

so when it says dump it kinda implies that i can choose those stats, but i can't seem to, so i guess i just need to rng find one with those desired stats?

[placid fiber]

I feel like I did so terribly this run overall... then again we had a plasma vet that basically rendered my non-twin linked stubber useless lol

[arctic saffron]

wow why am i orange all of a sudden

[plush estuary]

the shop is rng

so keep buying grey weapons until you get one with mobilty 60 and 80 rest

[arctic saffron]

right, that's what i thought

thanks!

[wraith cipher]

-0.13 vs. +0.02 for sprint
-14% vs -12% for dodge

[placid fiber]

I was able to get 6 empowers after that mission, tho, at least. :3

[wraith cipher]

id rather take a 1.5sec reduction in active special then run in negative sprint speed

[placid fiber]

Taking the gorgon instead of the achlys was not really beneficial in any way, since the plasma vet killed everything my stubber was made for killing... :/

[plush estuary]

you do you

thats fine

[wraith cipher]

all im saying is that dont make mobility the default dump stat to tell new people

[lean lark]

it is the defealt dump stat

[placid fiber]

I somehow missed this, the 1st time, when I looked at melk's weapons... this is a decently statted stubber I can use while leveling master... Stupid me for not double checking like I just did now

[lean lark]

not everyone needs to run around fast

[wraith cipher]

if youre a long time player you know by now that dump stating is a little more nuanced

rather than black and white

[lean lark]

yeah, long time player

not new player

[placid fiber]

It's kinda funny that stubber does less damage, since the one I was trying to empower had a high early damage stat roll that went to 80% x.x

[wraith cipher]

then i dont know why youre dealing in absolutes

[lean lark]

its better to give the new players the simplest solution so they have an easier time

[lean lark]

because sprint speed is really not important

at all

[wraith cipher]

yeah if you dont go negative

relic sword puts you at negative sprint if you go 60

[placid fiber]

Sprint speed is so much less important than hitting breakpoints

[lean lark]

yeah which doesnt matter at all

because you're still fast

[gray ice]

So have a lighter ranged

You still move pretty quick anyways

[arctic saffron]

what curios do you guys go for?

[plush estuary]

2 tough 1 stam

[grand tangle]

ALL STAMINA

[lean lark]

17% tough 5% maxhp 5%tough *3 + 2 gunner res 1 corrupt res

[gray ice]

You can do a mix, lot of people do 2 tough 1 hp or 3 tough

[arctic saffron]

[gray ice]

If Marty 3 wounds

[wraith cipher]

stam is porportionally important to how good your push attack is imo

[untold nebula]

does curio rating matter?

[wraith cipher]

if you need start spamming them out

like power sword

[untold nebula]

cause i was seeing some stuff where they said "it basically doesn't" which i'm sure is right, but i'm wondering if it actually has NO effect or SOME effect

[misty nova]

Wounds

[untold nebula]

like should i just keep running my 170 rating curio or just find a +400 one lol

[visual stream]

I paired relic blade and bolter with chorus and it feels purty gud

[grand tangle]

i have found that run'n'gun+lethal proximity with bolt pistol is absurdly good for gap closing

[lean lark]

stats matter, stats impact rating, rating matters

[placid fiber]

The only thing that sucks is when the weapon has 5 stats that affect damage/ammo/stability instead of 4 + mobility/defences

[lean lark]

just get the biggest stat for what you need

[grand tangle]

i cant sprint at anything while suppressing it and melee when i get there

[untold nebula]

gotcha

[grand tangle]

even crouds of shooters behind cover

its so good

[placid fiber]

I've heard for the helbore, on vets, that ammo is a dumping stat on it since you can get the crits cost no ammo(for laser weapons) talent in the vet tree...

[lean lark]

yeah that checks out

havent ran helbore in a while but iirc there is no real bad stat on helbore so ammo is the only "dump" stat

[wraith cipher]

bruh helbores are discount lasfusils

or just give us a bolt sniper

[hexed igloo]

Why would I use a helbore when boltguns exist

I don't use them because they're "meta"

I use it because it's a fucking boltgun

[red swift]

Helbores are so mid it makes me sad

[hexed igloo]

I am God's silliest soldier, it's only natural I get His biggest gun

[misty nova]

Why would you use
Ammo positive hard hitting weapon
When you could use
100 shots hard hitting weapon

Hmmm

Why

[hexed igloo]

Zealot

It's my "oh shit" boltgun

Melee 90% of the time unless a horde of ragers/maulers/whatever appears and then I magdump

[wraith cipher]

boltgun is a pretty good oh shit button tbf

[hexed igloo]

And also the lasguns feel like doodoo I want to feel like a man with my huge caliber

[placid fiber]

Even tho the krourk has stopping power as a main stat instead of a hidden stat at 50% it still does enough of a lower damage amount that it just doesn't feel all that great... then again I have deadly accurate + surgical and the other 2 mks have a crit main stat so that might be why. :/

I love stopping power... and having a crit stat on the ogryn feels a bit weird :/

[hexed igloo]

I want the bullet to be larger than my penis

Lasguns have no bullet, thus shit

[placid fiber]

while this doesn't really surprise me both the gorgon and achlys have the same stat bonuses on crit

I really like this stubber, it's what I've always wanted on the Ogryn... a weapon that is accurate at longer ranges that also did good damage. :/

[hexed igloo]

They should just give og a potato cannon tbh

Load poxwalker heads into it

[wraith cipher]

uhhh can i get a tldr

[placid fiber]

I'm just rambling right now

[hexed igloo]

Gun doesn't do much if you have crit build like him (I think)

Probably just go for raw damage/pen

[placid fiber]

The krourk has less damage and has stopping power instead of crit bonus.

[wraith cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-i-understand-i-know-gif-16483599

[hasty raft]

I hit like a fucking freight train now

[placid fiber]

The mk4 dueling sword does that :3

[cold patrol]

for the pinned relic blade build, what ranged would you use?

[wraith cipher]

the emperors light

THE EMPEROR PROTECTS

OR ARE YOU A HERETIC

[trail mantle]

it's a generalist weapon

[wraith cipher]

RANICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[trail mantle]

use w/e you want with it

[wraith cipher]

HERETIC

[placid fiber]

The dueling sword is definitely the strongest melee the zealot has, it has moderate horde clear and insane finesse damage

[wraith cipher]

ds is just so damn good

probably gonna get a nerf

[vast basin]

Nerf knife at the same time then

[trail mantle]

suprised it wasn't nerfed in this patch tbh

[wraith cipher]

the best is when im in thrust wind up against a crushers overhead

and i get it off first

bye bye thank you

[trail mantle]

"here is a buffed thunderhammer and here is a little toothpick you can do the same thing with"

[wraith cipher]

tbf th has pretty good horde control relatively

[trail mantle]

aye, but it's main schtick getting outshined by a toothpick sword is nuts

[wraith cipher]

T_T

nooooo its made of emperors blessings

heretic

[trail mantle]

at least the moebians let me have a two handed chain axe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1265479387571159182/crackbert.gif

[wraith cipher]

its obviously in the game somehwere since its on npcs

im surprised we dont have it now

[trail mantle]

same with either of the gunner's guns

[hexed igloo]

The npcs just 2 handing the assault chainaxe, they ain't built like us

[trail mantle]

like the shootman tree for vet has a guy with an lmg as the art for it

[sonic citrus]

hey so how does abhor the mutant penance work?

[hexed igloo]

When I'm in a stupid name competition and my opponent is shootman vet

[sonic citrus]

can i like run in to him with a charged up thunder hammer or i can't charge the weapon

[hexed igloo]

I'm gonna keep it absolutely honest with you bro it's fucked up and weird to try and get, just charge at every mutie and you'll eventually get it

[sonic citrus]

thanks g

[hexed igloo]

Charge thammer and wind up a heavy before you hit f

[sonic citrus]

i did it 21 times already

[violet hornet]

I used to use boltgun when it was considered too slow / clunky to be practical just because it makes the loudest boom

[hexed igloo]

Yeah it's weird, I got it under suspicious circumstances, for me I killed it like a couple seconds after the charge ended and it counted?

[trail mantle]

you got what I ment tho

I assume

[hexed igloo]

Nope, I don't play vet

Zealot/psyker

[trail mantle]

it's the tree that has the old vet ability, right side Ithink

[vast basin]

My zealot is StepSisterOfBattle

[hexed igloo]

Hell yeah

[trail mantle]

shootman, shout and sneaky are the 3 vet trees

[hexed igloo]

My zealot is just Zek lmao

[hexed igloo]

Ah exec stance?

[trail mantle]

ye

[hexed igloo]

Gotcha

I use sneaky vet when I do play him so

[trail mantle]

I like shout vet

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[misty ravine]

What else are you gonna do in Havoc? Not give everyone gold HP?

[trail mantle]

i've played shout vet since talent tree rework tbh

at least after vet got it's keystones

[sterile stone]

I've got news

Awful news

That's the exact vet I had in my run last night

Infil vet with dueling sword and stealth

[formal umbra]

shout vet fun unfortunately

[grave robin]

is the mk2 thammer worth using if i dedicate one blessing to horde clear? e.g. the hitmass one

like will i still do decent single target if my other blessing is for damage

[hexed igloo]

No use evis instead

[spare talon]

Your horde clear blessing is headtaker or slaughterer

You want damage for horde clear

[formal umbra]

Id give it a rest run and see how you like it and how you do with it compared to the other mark

[grave robin]

[spare talon]

Thammer sweeps already have tons of cleave

[formal umbra]

Mhm

[grave robin]

hmm

[spare talon]

Not to mention strength gives more cleave anyway

Like for perspective
Heavy sword heavy sweeps have around 11.5 cleave

[grave robin]

what's the polls like for evisc these days? i really liked the new one they added cause it's simple (single target = heavy, horde = light)

[spare talon]

Thammer heavy sweeps have 19.5

[grave robin]

that's a weapon that can roll ignore hit mass on headshots tho

if ur not using that then idk what ur doin imo

[trail mantle]

that's 11.5 before that tho

[spare talon]

That is true but it already had amazing cleave before

The point of deathblow isn't the cleave

It's the first target dmg being applied to the first 4 enemies hit on a proc

[fleet zealot]

on weakspot kills*

[spare talon]

But that's besides the point

[grave robin]

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-nerd-nerd-smart-rabbit-rabbit-with-glasses-gif-25047075

[spare talon]

I really just meant that thammer sweeps have a lotta cleave

[trail mantle]

power is all one to one on cleave and stagger right?

[spare talon]

It's all in one damage cleave and impact yes

And is multiplicitive with those respective stat bonuses

(That's good)

[misty ravine]

One of the better weapons in the game. Dead Killy against all enemy types, balanced by poor mobility and reliance on Rev attacks for single target damage. Not the very top of the meta—the most overpowered melee weapons are both high offense and high mobility with no reliance on charge/rev mechanics—but still good and fun up to Damnation Auric Maelstrom

[trail mantle]

I mean does 1% power = 1% cleave (before any muliplicative boosts)

[spare talon]

If a hit deals 100 dmg and you have a 20% dmg and 20% power bonus, the hit will deal 144 dmg

[grave robin]

what are those other meta weapons if you don't mind me asking ;-)

[misty ravine]

Mk15 Evis that is. Mk3 you have to do a bit of tryharding to make it almost as good as a handicapped Mk13 Chainsword

[trail mantle]

dueling sword mk4 is the big one right now

[spare talon]

Yes
It is still increasing the weapons cleave number by that percent so it's not much compared to a cleave blessing, but it's there and worth knowing

It can make the difference between you hitting 1-2 more guys per swing

[misty ravine]

Mk4 Dueling Sword, Rashad Combat Axe, Knife

[grave robin]

Love the mk4 dsword with uncanny. Rashad is okay but I feel weak against certain enemies with it + it's spammy. I know Dagger is good but I'm not a huge fan

[placid fiber]

I forgot that I took 3 10% dockets on my curios instead of 3 +5% hp's so I was short 45 hp when I did the damnation version of the new map :/

I still did pretty good, even tho I got downed on normal damnation for the 1st time in a long while... :/

[wraith cipher]

because why knife when you haave ds

[trail mantle]

for bri'ish cosplay

for the true warhammer experience

necromunda is just london back alleys

[misty ravine]

https://youtu.be/_9D1pt9C2-w?si=4HHjlEfPk3LzBthI

[trail mantle]

Load up that plate

[misty ravine]

luv me rashuns
luv me commissar
luv me rippa gun

'ate heretics
'ate xenos
'ate chimeras (not scared o' the dark, just don't like 'em)

simple as

OgrynFC.jpg

[frozen kernel]

“One of the better weapons in the game”

fucking eclipsed by every other melee choice we have

I love the evi but man, tell them the truth

Its a thematically cool weapon with functionally lackluster stats

Your light attack damage is pathetic and your H1 might as well not have cleave

It’s a ridiculously fun weapon to use but it’s not one of our best options at all lol

[hearty nebula]

is banx just like

actually braindamaged

i cant tell anymore if its bait or not

[frozen kernel]

I smoke unfiltered methamphetamines from my local gas station pharmacist

It’s good for my eyes

[hearty nebula]

so yes

[vast basin]

I would say evis is C or B tier at best

[plush estuary]

@hard nexus

[frozen kernel]

Coolness: S tier
Actual performance: B tier

It’s not unusable at all but saying it’s “one of our best weapons” is wild

[golden rain]

As much as I an an Eviscerator Edward... There is some definite truth in that. It's good, it's usable.
But it definitely has trouble keeping up with other options that we have, especially now that we have a new greatsword that is in many ways quite practically better.

[hearty nebula]

oh yeah not one of the best

[mighty root]

He’s gonna hate him now

[hearty nebula]

but its not bad by any stretch

[red mesa]

Anyone experimented with builds for the relic sword?
Ive been using it with IJ/momentum and it feels pretty good. Has anyone tried a piety build? It has finesse stat, and if you rocked a 5% crit perk like people do on dueling sword you should be able to hit that 50-60% crit point right?

Havent tried it yet, just figured I would ask if anyone else has compared the two.

The attack speed and dodge buff from IJ tho seems really good for the sword, hard to give up

[grand tangle]

so does bolt pistol lethal proximity work with sutn grenades

[hearty nebula]

you can do piety easily but not worth it imo

[vast basin]

I don't mind if meow hates me. Peep the name

[mighty root]

Why are you using stuns?

[hearty nebula]

the shitagonist

[grand tangle]

i feel like it

[golden rain]

I've done Blazing Piety. It's fine, but BP still suffers from essentially just being ability spammer build.

[frozen kernel]

Meow is gonna come say the same shit

[hearty nebula]

^ this basically

[golden rain]

Inexorable Judgement just offers far too much more benefit than ability spamming.

[mighty root]

I’d highly recommend tknifes or immos

[hearty nebula]

The buffs that IJ gives to your actual damage without relying on FOTF just outweigh BP

[trail mantle]

I miss stuns, used to measure how well missions were going by how many I had to use

[mighty root]

The pathing for stuns are terrible

[hexed igloo]

Knives goated, aiming is really hit or miss tho lmao

[golden rain]

I will say that the 200% ACR on crits is pretty nice though. It does make for some funny memes.

[hearty nebula]

starting out? yeah

but theyre easy to learn

[mighty root]

Knifes are so good

[hearty nebula]

bc they have weakspot magnetism

[golden rain]

But yeah if you want performance please use Inexorable Judgement.

[hearty nebula]

not a lot

[hexed igloo]

I be hitting every sniper from 40m but damned if I don't whiff on the rager that's right in front of me

[hearty nebula]

but enough to make them work real damn well

[frozen kernel]

Main thing to learn about knives is that they start to drop after about 22m

Once you figure that out, aiming isn’t too bad

[red mesa]

right.
ive been using this and it feels pretty good
But not sure I need Enduring Faith (50% toughness dmg reduction on crit) since i have very low crit this way.

Guess I could throw it into Blood redemption, or maybe even Until Death? Would need 2 points for SOC. Punishment is there too but havent felt the sword needs it, you stagger ragers just fine w/o it for example

[misty ravine]

The Shitagonist. Main character of the Shitstory.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VRR7DJy185o

[hearty nebula]

if they're moving at an angle then expect them to whiff unless you have s tier aim to match their head bob

[mighty root]

I use peity with relic and it’s pretty good but scuroge can’t really proc because it kills things so fast

[hearty nebula]

otherwise

stop missing noob

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[hexed igloo]

I just be throwing knives dog

Riddle me this though, why do the knives hit harder than most guns

[hearty nebula]

because they just do

[golden rain]

Stop making fun of my knife aim bithc

[hearty nebula]

no

aim better

[hexed igloo]

My boy got a fuckin arm on him bro

[red mesa]

ya, i considered dropping it in my build but the right side tree at the top is still just the best.
also i often run it with bolt pistol with puncture so, being able to bleed like a boss or something with the pistol then go into melee is a nice little combo for increased crit/dps

[trail mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shaking-head-gif-21797829

[hexed igloo]

Whipping 90mph knive

[red mesa]

i gotta say tho. the relic blades might have some of the best horde clear in the game

its nasty

[mighty root]

The trash gunner seeing the Mach 3 zealot bolt towards it with a mk4 ds

[frozen kernel]

Zealot swings a thunder hammer with enough force to kill a daemonhost in a single swing. I’m not questioning the knives for my own health

[misty ravine]

Video game logic. How many Call of Duty games have we had now where guns need 4-5 hits to kill but a knife does it instantly?

[frozen kernel]

Thematically that’s scary as shit

[vast basin]

I mean thunder hammer in lore is an anti tank weapon

[misty ravine]

I mean, a Thunder Hammer you kind of expect to hit hard

[trail mantle]

space marine ones are, regular human ones not at much but still damn close

[mighty root]

Why can’t you kick people in havoc

I wish people who actively throw my games get put in with people of the same caliber

[stray talon]

Invite friends only then I suppose

[frozen kernel]

People could just…be better?

[stray talon]

Im sure they can but here we are

[frozen kernel]

I mean shit DRG’s folks have like, reverse toxicity

If you’re sucking ass

Nobody cares

They’ll teach you how to play while you’re dying lol

[trail mantle]

I mean drg was like carefully designed to promote positive behavior

[frozen kernel]

Darktide players don’t want to win though

[stray talon]

Yeah drg has the s tier community

[mighty root]

Yeah I don’t care if you go down or die, make a bad play, but don’t be the psyker that me and @fleet zealot encountered

[hearty nebula]

Just a reminder that our thunder hammers, on top of being for humans, are literally reclaimed, already used weapons that are basically hardly functional, because you dont give good gear to death row inmates unless you're incredibly fucking stupid lol

Thats all our gear

so yea

zealot stronk

[frozen kernel]

That’s supposed to be the lore reasoning but power swords are pretty fuckin rare and they still give them to veteran washouts?

[short elk]

same with plasma guns

and bolters

[frozen kernel]

Yeah

[hearty nebula]

ours still suck balls

lol

[short elk]

and big fuck off grenades to the special boys

[vast basin]

Well by the time you get to auric we are part of the Inquisition warband proper, with sainted weps and such

[frozen kernel]

I just disregard because 40k lore is a headache

[hearty nebula]

fair

[mighty root]

I mean lore wise we’re compared to tempests scions

[frozen kernel]

Yeah but thammer unlocks ~20-24

[stray talon]

So does fatshark lol

[frozen kernel]

So you’re still a penal priest

[mighty root]

We’re an elite group

[short elk]

lmao who gave the schitzoid death row inmate a flame thrower

[hearty nebula]

grendyl

[trail mantle]

thy guy who watched him just rip apart like 20 heretics with a dull knife

[misty nova]

"Go do a redemption"

[mighty root]

Grendyl made the right choice in our rejects

[stray talon]

I feel like 40k lore is just tactically deploying psychopaths somewhere else

[short elk]

Rannick: These menaces to society will make the best war band, lmao i love my job let that one have a melta gun

[hard nexus]

yeah it’s shit

lol

[plush estuary]

lol

[hard nexus]

it’s C tier

it’s awful

[trail mantle]

there is a wierdly high amount of that

[short elk]

Speaking of giving death row inmates weapons

Power fist for ogryn when

[frozen kernel]

Neiryn called me schizo for telling the truth

[oak geyser]

People calling Eviscerator C tier dont know what theyre talking about

[frozen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-emperor-frenzied-shriek-gif-18454618

[trail mantle]

meow knows what they are talking about

[stray talon]

When the galaxy runs out of space inprison colonies ig

[frozen kernel]

This is why the zealot drinks

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis is C tier, mk15 is low A high B

[mighty root]

It sucks

[oak geyser]

That tracks actually

[stray talon]

Its the relic sword

But worse

[hard nexus]

mk3 is arguably one of the worst melee weapons for zealot

[trail mantle]

maybe got tired of trying to put people in them then just decided to weaponize it

[mighty root]

Compared to the ds4, relic, and the Rashad it underperforms

[short elk]

i love the relic sword for my preacher

go around mic spamming highlander quotes

https://tenor.com/view/highlander-sword-chris-lambert-polishing-smile-gif-17576247

[stray talon]

Prison industrial complex 2.0

[hasty raft]

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

[vast basin]

And knife. And crusher. And dclaw

[stray talon]

Or just literal shock troops

[hard nexus]

compared to basically everything it underperforms

[oak geyser]

"It underperforms" is a statement with so much baggage though. With what blessings? In what builds? At what roles?

[mighty root]

Oh yeah oops forgot them

[short elk]

I DAMN THEE CRUSHER

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

[oak geyser]

Mk 3 is trash Im talking about the XV

[short elk]

also demoknight

[mighty root]

The only 2 builds for zealot, if you’re using a evis you’re running crit

[short elk]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-gamning-tf2-tf2demoman-trimping-gif-23479023

[hard nexus]

it’s niche is boss damage, ogryn killing

on the mk15

that’s it

that’s all it can do well, then with mediocre horde clear

it’s okay against elite packs

falls off against rager packs

[mighty root]

The only blessing to choose from is shred, rampage, and perfect strike

Its just like the vet shovel it’s alright but mid

They’re multiple better options

[hard nexus]

i’d argue against perfect strike tbh

on the mk15

it’s better to just take a cleave blessing

[mighty root]

That or savage sweep

[oak geyser]

Shred/Savage Sweep is pretty much the official blessing pair yeah

[hard nexus]

for the mk15

no.

[hard nexus]

cleave blessings are bad on the mk15, 10 innate cleave at 60% cleave targets, with a damage cap of 4, (6 on revved lights)

cleave blessings only increase the hitmass you can cleave

they don’t affect your cleave damage

[trail mantle]

shred/rampage

[oak geyser]

Cleave targets are still valuable when crits make all of them bleed

[mighty root]

No amount of cope will make the evis better than the knife or ds

Or dclaw

It looks cool

But I’d rather use relic

[hard nexus]

you have 10 cleave

lol

[oak geyser]

Hit mass still matters when the ragers show up

[hard nexus]

and 2 stacks of bleed is worthless

[hard nexus]

mk15 ragers is just

revved heavy

and backing up

[oak geyser]

That'll only kill one, you can kill 3 instead if you light attack like 5 times

Which happens really fast at +50% attack speed

[short elk]

Ragers when i throw a knife at them from 100 yards away

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-dead-death-pose-falling-off-the-stairs-gif-12021772962162421355

[hard nexus]

5 lights with a mk15 takes long, and to stagger them you’d have to chastise

so

no

[placid fiber]

lol with the twin linked achlys stubber and a damage stim I killed a plague ogryn in 99 bullets on my gunlugger build(with the 30% rending instead of burn)

[lunar fable]

C is for chainlongsword

[oak geyser]

If you're not getting mogged by rager packs more frequently than once every 10 seconds its perfectly chastisable

[lunar fable]

[rocky nacelle]

the fastest you can get mk15 to light attack 5 ragers is doing QQ cancel

like a tist

[mighty root]

It takes like 4 lights or 2 heavies to kill a rager id rather just shoot it or poke them with the ds

[hard nexus]

if you mean 10 second chastise cooldown with IoD, that means you’re sacrificing the second chastise charge, or faithful frenzy, for invocation of death, both hurting in that exact situation you’re talking about

[mighty root]

I will say use what you want if you’re good anything can work

[grand tangle]

evisCerator

[oak geyser]

Maybe Ive just been maining this build too long but I never see another zealot come close

I have never once been like "oh wow that other zealot player did really well what build were they using?"

[trail mantle]

I be seeing pub zealots doing lots of dump shit

[mighty root]

I hope martyrdom gets reworked

[mighty root]

Some people run stun bruh

[trail mantle]

-me watching 3 relic zealots shoot a BoN for 3 minutes

[mighty root]

Yeah I hate that

[trail mantle]

tbf, I had died before this, but I was on psyker and got fucken dragged into bomber fire by a mutie

[mighty root]

No matter the weapon im giving it backshots

Except on slow ass weapons like the crusher

[misty ravine]

Lots of things need reworked

[trail mantle]

got 100-0ed and wasn't revived

[hard nexus]

yeah i constantly top damage with a mk3 evis

doesn’t really affect my statements about the mk15 cleave blessings

[oak geyser]

Every time I switch to another weapon it feels like trash

[lunar fable]

@rocky nacelle no farting 2day

[oak geyser]

I know you gotta learn combos but most of them slap enemies around or kill stuff but never both

[hard nexus]

crusher, thunder hammer, dclaw, tac axe

[trail mantle]

tbf most weapons you don't need to learn combos

[mighty root]

I’ve heard a smyker say this once before

[oak geyser]

Does the devils claw do anythign to carapace?

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[trail mantle]

can

[hard nexus]

parry into chastise

[oak geyser]

Thats because smite is the correct choice

[hard nexus]

one shot a crusher

[mighty root]

The parry

[hard nexus]

this explains

smite fucking sucks

[vast basin]

The parry attack does decent armor damage

[hard nexus]

and smite psykers are awful

[mighty root]

Yeah ok that checks out

Thank you for telling me

[rocky nacelle]

have fun on new gambling addiction

[lunar fable]

i lied

it's down again

LOL

[oak geyser]

Smite psykers can save the entire team from a wall of crushers and bulwarks nobody can even melee attack because the shields just block everything

[lunar fable]

[mighty root]

Why did the team put itself in that situation

[oak geyser]

Just because its annoying when people spam it vs poxwalkers doesnt change that debilitating massive threats and effectively shutting off their AI for long periods isnt strong

[rocky nacelle]

you know what saves the entire team from a wall of crushers and bulwarks, a bolter, a flamer, VoC, an ogryn charge, Chorus, etc

need I go on

[hard nexus]

smite psykers are also the least fun teammate to play with and almost never can actually melee and die to a single poxwalker

[vast basin]

Crusher invalidating bulwarks:

[hard nexus]

smite is brain dead easy damage and even then people still fucking suck with it

[mighty root]

I’ve had that happen and I just thugged it out bulwarks and crushers don’t bother me on my zealots

[vast basin]

Oops wrong message to reply to

[oak geyser]

Its an ability that a lot of people use wrong

[rocky nacelle]

that is true

but it still sucks

dick

[oak geyser]

That doesnt make the zealot knives bad just because some people cant aim

[mighty root]

Creeping flames with smite is so stupid

[stable cypress]

zealot knives aren't visually intrusive

[hard nexus]

it’s bad because it’s a crutch

[stable cypress]

they don't cumdump all over my screen and fps

[hard nexus]

throwing knives aren’t a crutch

[oak geyser]

You're literally just judging the ability based on how you profile the skill levels of players you assume are using it

And not based on

What the ability does

[mighty root]

The only time smite is useful is against a wave of disablers or gunners

[hard nexus]

staggers massive packs of enemies, can deal mediocre damage with the right build

as an ability, it’s OP

[vast basin]

Its not hard to understand how little skill expression smite has vs tknives

[lunar fable]

can't miss with smite

[oak geyser]

Im not evaluating them based on their skill expression, Im evaluating them based on their effects

[formal umbra]

I just use smite like I would a stun grenade and throw it out on a group for a second and then start whacking the enemies, spamming it is toxic

[oak geyser]

Y'all literally just mad they use it on poxwalkers so we cant horde clear. Im a zealot too I seen it.

[formal umbra]

it really needs a nerf

[hard nexus]

smite should be used like a flamer, only 4-5 times a match really

[mighty root]

[lunar fable]

[hard nexus]

no im mad people use it because it turns the game off

[mighty root]

Smite is not the best ability bb is

[hard nexus]

it’s so unfun to play with

[mighty root]

Bb is good with psykers best staffs

[hard nexus]

and 90% of smite users are dogshit

[formal umbra]

yeah once im done with my smite penance im going back to BB because BB is funny

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[formal umbra]

yea

[mighty root]

I NEED ANOTHER TRUE

[grizzled aspen]

Please NEVER describe anything in this way again.

[red swift]

Well I don't mind the game being paused in high havoc difficulty

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[lunar fable]

that's cursed

i'm stealing it

[hard nexus]

high havoc requires broken things

[grizzled aspen]

Are we talking about smite rn?

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[hard nexus]

yarp

[grizzled aspen]

Gross.

[lunar fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722959512343937076/1079307955482132530/BDCE20E5-FF5B-4798-8D00-EA81C1B1C446.gif

[hard nexus]

though i think the topic of discussion left

she does not appear to be here anymore

[mighty root]

Literally I’m metamancing so much in havoc it’s ridiculous

[grizzled aspen]

Good riddance.

Smite is awful for this game.

Though I am unironically considering making a smite bubble build for havocs so I can get out of being the chorus bitch.

[hard nexus]

agreed

molten beam!

[lunar fable]

i don't like being the book guy

i want to be the crackhead

[hard nexus]

give us a molten beam!

please!

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, give us molten beam.

[hard nexus]

none of us are disagreeing

lmfao

[mighty root]

Don’t psyker has no toughness

[grizzled aspen]

I want to bore a fucking hole directly through a crusher with my mind powers.

[grizzled aspen]

We are agreeing that it is a powerful ability, but for the wrong reasons.

[lunar fable]

lol

[oak geyser]

To be fair the meme doesnt say they disagreed

[grizzled aspen]

Having a giant pause button on everything in front of you is terrible.

[hard nexus]

to be fair that’s irrelevant

to the discussion

[lunar fable]

is rejection not disagreeing

[stone fern]

@placid fiber hi

[rocky nacelle]

i wonder who started this saying (unless we both came to the conclusion together)

[mighty root]

Jarvis show me this persons time on darktide

[grizzled aspen]

Rejection absolutely is disagreeing.

[hard nexus]

smite is OP, cleave blessings are bad on the mk15 evis, plenty of weapons do the evis but better

[stone fern]

@placid fiber MY AIM IS PERFECTLY FINE MK9 HEAVY SWORD JUST SUCKS

[hard nexus]

we both came to it separately methinks

[mighty root]

[grizzled aspen]

Mk9 hsword is fine, there is an operator error there.

[lunar fable]

backshotmonster

[stone fern]

NO

[lunar fable]

[stone fern]

MK9 heavysword has worse head tracking than mk6 and 7

lalalala i cant hear u

[grizzled aspen]

Listen, man, you can lead a horse to water...

[rocky nacelle]

when im in a noob competition and my opponent is clad

[stone fern]

everyone is wrong except for me

[hard nexus]

no it does not

[stone fern]

on muties yes

[mighty root]

I bet he enjoys the blight spreads modifer

[hard nexus]

i will take a clip of me one shotting mutants for 30 seconds straight

and you will be wrong

[stone fern]

what char height do u have?

[stable cypress]

maybe you just have bettter head tracking than clad

[hard nexus]

near max

[stone fern]

im medium

[hard nexus]

shouldn’t really affect it

[lunar fable]

my zealot is the shortest possible height

cause i thought it was funny

[stable cypress]

you might need to aim higher than you think for mutant headshot if you're shortstack

[opaque island]

okay, yall talk about everything a bad smyker does but never say what a good smyker does to be a good smyker, you say they exist

[real sonnet]

best keybind for knife throw in your opinion?

[viral schooner]

imo m5

[rocky nacelle]

the good smykers stay out of my games

those r the good ones

[plucky sparrow]

Anything on your mouse

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/what-whatd-huh-confused-lost-gif-13055027

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699696838441304244/1296149314036301906/goofy_cat.gif

[lunar fable]

the transition out of the powered state for relic blade

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[mighty root]

I hope the illis gets the overheat treatment

[misty ravine]

Relic Blade loses power
Perfect time to mash that Chorus button

[stable cypress]

I just qq instead of actively unpowering relic

[grizzled aspen]

Good smitekers only use it when shit hits the fan.

[lunar fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722959512343937076/1313597499411398708/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.12.03_-_14.45.00.06.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6754ab01&is=67535981&hm=1b8617be8ac6dabb57e2a8a73612cc14931cd38590a522fec23628d1716b978e&

this was like my first match with the relic blade

[opaque island]

why did i not thnk of htat, also i hate that getting bumped by anything unpowers your sword

[thorn mango]

What blessing do you recommend on the mk15 eviscerator after Rampage?

[lunar fable]

when i saw the power off transition

[misty ravine]

Shred or Bloodthirsty

[lunar fable]

[stable cypress]

yeah it's funny when the captains shield fart breaks relic powered mode

[misty ravine]

Basically do you want more random crits, or crit on demand (but you have to rev)

[vague depot]

how important is purge the unclean on relic blade

[grizzled aspen]

Yes this is an issue to me too.

[grizzled aspen]

It isn't.

It's effectively just boss damage.

[vague depot]

got it

[opaque island]

I never noticed, does evisc unrev if you get bumped by say a BoN or other boss?

[thorn mango]

I rev pretty often, so I guess Bloodthirsty would be best.

[vague depot]

ill replace immo nade with tknife then

[grizzled aspen]

Yarp.

Revs turn off when you get bumped.

Anything that takes you off your feet disables activated states.

[opaque island]

so i guess its at least consistent

[misty ravine]

Someone said the Relic Blade losing power if you get bumped is a bug, but has Fatshark actually said it's unintentional? Because that's how Power/Chain/Force weapons have worked the entire time and they could definitely stand to lose that shit

[opaque island]

still annoys the frick outta me

[grizzled aspen]

Barrels, boss attacks, bursters, etc that I may have missed.

[opaque island]

frick you to heck

[grizzled aspen]

They will definitely leave psword losing charge on bumps.

They made that an intended mechanic.

[misty ravine]

Yeah it's pretty fun to chain rev heavy one Crusher after another, or load up a crit by revving some chaff mob on your way to the monster

Keeps a steady stream of Invocation rolling if the horde isn't too dense (I do miss the old dumb Rev Light 1 Crit Spam meme sometimes though)

[stable fiber]

could someone please link/show me a good and easy zealot build?

[misty ravine]

Easy as it gets, perfectly powerful outside high Havoc, works with any weapons (but does prefer faster ones)

[stable fiber]

thank you

which are good weapons btw?

[misty ravine]

Rashad Combat Axe (**with Brutal Momentum) is probably the highest on the Easy x Strong table

[misty nova]

As a zealot? All melee weapons are good

[oak geyser]

Which were the ones y'all were saying are just hard better than evi XV?

I wanna feel some stuff out

[livid mountain]

Relic blade dump stat? Mobility or heat?

[misty nova]

Mobility

[grizzled aspen]

Both relic blades are direct upgrades from eviscerators and it's not even close.

[wraith cipher]

i prefer heat but negative sprint speed is a pet peeve of mine

[hard nexus]

shred or bloodthirsty

[stray talon]

Preference is king

[oak geyser]

What relic blade blessings are best for a martyrdom build? Looks like no shred so no bleed hybrid

[grizzled aspen]

That's the fun part, you run piety anyway.

:)

[stray talon]

Lol truth

[wraith cipher]

piety makes any weapon a crit weapon, just its better on some than others

[grizzled aspen]

And the blessings are gonna be the same, regardless of what keystone you pick.

[polar obsidian]

Can someone help me out with "just a flesh wound" just need a speed runner

[oak geyser]

Yeah but it costs like 40% damage and 20% attack speed