zealot-class

[copper hawk]

[lunar fable]

yummy poxwalker

blessed by nurgle guac

extra yummy

[copper hawk]

i want 2 like the relic balde

blade

but i saw meow usin 2h force sword on psyker

and that shit slaps

why couldn't we have that,,

[gray ice]

its great

love me 2hander

i gotta try the psyker one

[copper hawk]

once again zealot gets the short end of the rotund pescatarian drops

[gray ice]

if this is the short end lemme know when the igh end comes around

[misty mason]

lol

[gray ice]

cuz that's gonna be hype

[lunar fable]

can't believe i'm going to be playing soyker

in the future

[swift hearth]

when the realistic women's plate armor formly

[misty mason]

It was in reference to the stupid zealot and psyker mobian chest plate

[fleet zealot]

Melee soyker is great

10% attack speed, a shit ton of finesse bonuses, and 100% cleave

And a new sword that literally screenwipes

[copper hawk]

i was coping so hard lmfao when i was playing with meow

she was dodging everywhere and just mulching hordes with it

and then deleted a screen of moebian 6th enemies in an instant

then did it again like 5 seconds later

WHY COULDNT WE HAVE THAT !!!!

[solemn cove]

Just grabbed this for sale. Am I correct in thinking that after the armory update, I can fully upgrade this to legendary 500 score with full blessings and perks eventually? Cause it's got 80s in all the areas I think are probably the good stats

[lunar fable]

meow mainswapping to psyker???

[copper hawk]

Y DOES ROUNDFISH HATE ZEALOT !!!

she used 2 be a psyker main for a long time

[lunar fable]

so she's going back

[copper hawk]

then 1 day i vry meekly and shyly asked her not 2 play voidblast psyker cuz i wouldn't have any fun (she'd kill everything)

then began her zealot arc..

[sturdy owl]

Yes, when you get enough weapon xp you can do whatever when you have the right base stats.

[lunar fable]

bowling ball staff was what i played

back when i played soyker

that was over a year ago

[pine osprey]

zealot already kills everything, the DB makes me feel like the doom slayer

[solemn cove]

sweet, hope its a a good weapon then

[swift hearth]

don't really matter the concept behind the plate was literally "big hexagon"

[copper hawk]

yah that's the optimal stat distribution

[fleet zealot]

Huh

[fleet zealot]

It’s good

[fleet zealot]

Not goooooood but i’d rank it between crusher and evi

[gray ice]

how is that emote allowed

it's so fuckin cursed

[swift hearth]

what the cat staring at you

[solemn cove]

Any recommendations on how to build for it?

[fleet zealot]

Cranial rampage

Cranial wrath in higher havocs

[misty mason]

I really hate that its triangular, leaving the guts exposed

[pine steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-your-money-meme-flashlight-bright-money-flashlight-gif-1586706469445267857

[vapid sun]

bad armor

[fleet zealot]

Since auric damn+ and auric damn ++ have ridic hitmass scalings

[misty mason]

awful

[gusty orbit]

The rest is imaginary shield of contempt

[echo breach]

Biggest robbery is there being a shirt underneath

Show the abs

[gusty orbit]

Yee yee ass looking triangle armor

[misty mason]

Vet's is MUCH better

Even that tiny little additon

[gray ice]

wait i gotta ask is your in game zealot named zora as well?

[echo breach]

Fellas I tried auric maelstrom damnation how the hell do you play this?

It's none stop holy shit

[gusty orbit]

Yes

[rose flower]

I also happen to be nonstop because heresy waits for no one

[hollow oyster]

Play for 1000 hours.

[gray ice]

What lvl are you?

[echo breach]

Like I can't even sneeze in between 6 mutants spawning with trappers

[quaint rose]

that xavier is an imposter!

[gusty orbit]

Auric maelstroms are a mess rn because people want to unlock havoc, they're usually s bit annoying anyway because people go with way too much confidence there

[echo breach]

And hounds

[gusty orbit]

700 or so if I remember correctly

[misty mason]

Oh no the chest is pretty good actually

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-spongebob-i-dont-need-it-sweat-gif-5031443

[hallow summit]

the whole set slaps

med armor looks so nice

[echo breach]

I grabbed the krieg set for zealot

Waiting for reset to see what psykers get

[hallow summit]

easily the coolest helmet maybe tied with the skull vet one

[echo breach]

Love me candles

[gray ice]

Do you have yltera-mortiferum on your friends list in game

[echo breach]

They ward off heresy

[misty mason]

I dun really like the helmet

[hallow summit]

ive had the OG krieg set since drop its my favorite

[misty mason]

Although it does look good with my current fit

[echo breach]

Have the vet set, sad I missed the OG for others

[gusty orbit]

Been a whole long ass while since I heard that name, yeah

[hallow summit]

the dark color pallet is MINT

[gray ice]

well hey buddy

[hallow summit]

and the pot helm the made after

[gray ice]

how ya been

[gusty orbit]

Well fuck me that's quite the find lol

[misty mason]

???

wat

[gusty orbit]

Good good, we should play soon, I used to remember you more as a veteran tho, maybe I'm confused with another person there

But the yltera zealot name ringed the bell instantly

[gray ice]

It was both

[misty mason]

Why cant I use party finder for Havoc?

[raw nexus]

If you complete golden mission, you will start with 10 rang

[gray ice]

We we were both runnin around shirtless with bugged thrust hammers tho

[misty mason]

I already did, im rank 16 through auric maelstrom

[gusty orbit]

Lmaooooo, we're talking prehistory here

[south folio]

press E to clear your selections
If you've had other options selected in another menu, it blocks off havoc for some reason
just bad UX

[gray ice]

Good to see ya maneeee knew it couldn't just be a coincidence lol

[misty mason]

jfc, ty

[gusty orbit]

Yeah lol, I wasn't paying attention earlier today but Vin sounded familiar too, I was wrapping my head around that

If you gonna play I'm up for maybe a couple games

[misty mason]

Ah I look so good

[sullen forge]

Im consistently top scoring with F.GS Psyker and SG

Guys

[gray ice]

hell yea, down for some i'll be good to go in like 5

[sullen forge]

I dont think im playing Veteran anymore

[pine osprey]

if they ever give us a sniper rifle, mayhaps youd return to veteran

[sullen forge]

Give us anything and I might return

[obsidian prairie]

2014 in the carnival elevator

About to kill someone

[sullen forge]

for now im going to be a Wizard who uses the massive fucking sword

[pine osprey]

I like zealots massive sword

cuz HOLY BLADE

[wraith cipher]

fs doing that tldr was nice, and funny

[pine osprey]

we REALLY need a sniper for vet as his unique weapon, fits the marksman style really well

[vague depot]

there was once a impatient wizard who had the strongest wand in existence, it was 6 feet tall and as wide as a horse. The wizard was too impatient to cast any spells, so he just beat his opponent over the head with his wand

[hallow summit]

the special could be a special round

lore accurate

[wraith cipher]

aarent the helbores snipers >_>

[hallow summit]

nope

sniper can shoot tox rounds or sum

[wraith cipher]

in the context of this game

[hallow summit]

meh not really

[wraith cipher]

it fits thaat niche

[gray ice]

My computer was wigging out had to restart srry

loading up again

[gusty orbit]

Np got to test my big ass sword in the psykanium in the meantime

[cerulean moth]

Psyker sword is better than ours

And other shit stirring comments at 5

[gray ice]

who cares more at 11

[cerulean moth]

I was GETTING there

[obsidian prairie]

Say the same thing is psyker chat but reversed in a hour

and repeat your message here

[cerulean moth]

I like how you think

[misty ravine]

How do you charge the relic blade and start the sprint stab on short notice? Trying to do it with slides but can't do it consistently without leaving ridiculously long pauses between each step

[obsidian prairie]

You kinda don't

[south folio]

yeah seems like there's a delay before you can transition into sprint/slide states

[obsidian prairie]

Sprint stab is hard to get working under pressure

[south folio]

no being fancy and activating into a dodge-slide to get that stab out quickly

[pine steeple]

MAYBE the stab can be queued prior to charging but that's all I got

[wind musk]

How we feeling about good blessings for the relic sword?

[south folio]

transitioning out of a sprint/slide-activation also seems to cause a delay before you can do any attacks

[pine steeple]

check pins

[obsidian prairie]

pins

[south folio]

e.g, if you sprint-activate and stop sprinting during the activation, you can't interrupt early into an attack

[wind musk]

How?

[misty ravine]

At least it's not just me then. Still, lame if we're not "supposed" to be able to do that

[pine steeple]

Somebody on mobile help a brother out

[south folio]

i think it's just a bug

prob just edge cases that they didn't handle properly w/ the sprint/slide states as well as being empowered

[misty ravine]

Tap the Search button on top right

[wind musk]

Thanks

[gray ice]

my computer is being real fuckin obstructive today

[south folio]

annoying but oh well

[misty ravine]

Under the search entry will be a tab called Pins

[burnt folio]

conpletes mission
5 xp till next level
Heresy

[hard nexus]

thoughts on the relic blade

[south folio]

is nice generalist damage option

[obsidian prairie]

Heavy, but in a good way

[hard nexus]

i can’t like it

it’s too slow

[pine steeple]

feels great if not kinda slow

[limber trellis]

martyrdom build

[hard nexus]

dodges feel worse than an evis

[obsidian prairie]

It feels very powerful to swing in several ways

[hard nexus]

even with IJ

[obsidian prairie]

Dodges do suck yeah but the sheer output of the thing is staggering

[lunar fable]

@hard nexus are you going back to soyker main

[pine steeple]

My hunch is that the blessings were supposed to entice you into blocking a lot

[south folio]

dodges have been good enough in my experience

[hard nexus]

i had multiple times where a dodge wouldn’t take me far enough to dodge a net

[obsidian prairie]

And heat is actually pretty good

Just turn it off at like 95% and it takes like 5 seconds to cool to a usable temp

[south folio]

as long as i paid attention to my teammates so that I didn't get dragged into, i didn't get caught by the usual overheads

[unreal sedge]

Is the double barrel any good?

[hard nexus]

it honestly just makes me sad that the mk3 evis is so shit lmfao

[misty mason]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis has a (listed stat) equal dodge distance, yet is worse in nearly every way except attack speed

[south folio]

skill issue
just that shrimple

[hard nexus]

even then, it’s less DPS than the relic blade

god

WHY

WHHYYY

euugh

sorry

[misty ravine]

Who were they enticing with a 20 second cooldown on some minor horseshit

[north sedge]

Relic blade feels better to me than either evis

[pine steeple]

the blockers

[hard nexus]

i can fix the mk3 evis

[sullen forge]

Well better pick it up and use it instead or you're throwing 🚬

[hard nexus]

please

[hard nexus]

i’m gonna main psyker for havocs i think

[obsidian prairie]

Relic blade isn't sticky, it doesn't get stuck on enemies when I want them dead

[misty ravine]

if you do a Perfect Block in a game where blocking is purely an insurance measure and you are supposed to dodge

[hard nexus]

FGS (BFG) has amazing damage

[obsidian prairie]

And its damage doesn't rely on rips for single target

[sullen forge]

Im gonna main psyker permanently till vet gets something I think

[hard nexus]

and can stagger multiple ragers

[sullen forge]

cause Havoc made everything useless on Vet minus the big meta

[obsidian prairie]

It can fucking kill them too

[hard nexus]

mk3 evis is a relic of pre talent trees

[obsidian prairie]

One of the few slow weapons I am comfortable fighting them with

[hard nexus]

and it makes me so sad

[north sedge]

And ttk isn't wildly different for crushers (and you can move)

[hard nexus]

which mk do u prefer?

[obsidian prairie]

Only tried the one with the big red I (mk10?) but the other looked neat

[north sedge]

I prefer mk2

More fun moveset, uppercut is neat

[south folio]

mk10 because zero braincell gaming is my philosophy and that has a simple moveset

[obsidian prairie]

The reach on the thing is also insane

4 meters on lights

[south folio]

beeeeeeeeeg reach

[royal vortex]

the only reason i ever use mk10 is for the push attack

[misty ravine]

Extreme difficulty was always going to funnel the meta down to whatever was incentivized by the rule set

[lunar fable]

I'm gonna finish havoc with zealot

And then work on psyker

I'd be more than halfway done with havoc if I didn't get shafted by the 9999 lockout

[misty ravine]

How is Havoc with Party Finder groups anyways

[hearty nebula]

holy shit i didnt even notice how many new like avatar borders & titles there are in this update

[lunar fable]

Did you tell him no

[hearty nebula]

there's so fucking many new things outside of the weapons

[ember yew]

by 10 people + cole

[lunar fable]

There's a druggie frame

[ember yew]

[hearty nebula]

fr?

[lunar fable]

Use 20 stims

[silver granite]

Can a zelly main recommend good zelly build for havoc? with perks + blessings for both weapons

[lunar fable]

To get it

[hearty nebula]

I definitely have that one then

what's it called

[north sedge]

And master tester dorn of course (lol)

[spare talon]

thats a pitiful amount of stims compared to the other stim penances

[lunar fable]

Idk but I think it's in tactical

[royal vortex]

the first man to beat havoc via deception

just as sun tzu wrote...

[silver granite]

anyone? Havocc 20+?

[hearty nebula]

Basically anything you'd run before

[spring patrol]

just had a martyrdom zealot flame me for leaving an auric mael where only the bot was alive. guys, is the defeat screen really that important to watch? am i missing something?

[obsidian prairie]

You don't get any stuff if you leave

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-gif-19621124

[hearty nebula]

well that means they ate shit too so

they also suck

[spring patrol]

but thats no loss for them is it

[ember yew]

yes

the guy was just being salty

[hearty nebula]

wait

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/salty-raining-salt-salt-bae-nusret-gökçe-gif-15973939

[hearty nebula]

"only the bot was alive" as in just the bot or only alive as in "me and the bot are alive"

[spring patrol]

yeh...cuz none of us were down we were all dead so its not like the bot could clutch

[hearty nebula]

ah

[ember yew]

sometimes bot can pull a ninja res

but its rare

[hearty nebula]

^ i've had bots rescue me from crusher hordes when being rezzed lmao

[spring patrol]

he also wanted to kick someone from the team next game and didnt give a reason

weird

[hearty nebula]

because he sucks

[spring patrol]

lvl 300+

[ember yew]

i'd suggest you block the guy like that and move on

[spring patrol]

yeh

[hearty nebula]

he still sucks

[ember yew]

block prevents matchmaking too

and there's 50 slots

[hearty nebula]

yeah

[ember yew]

Overwatch 2 = 3 slots

THREE

[hearty nebula]

the only time i am willingly shit talking people are people that like

[spring patrol]

thats good to know

[hearty nebula]

straight up play like one of those e3 presentations you'd see where all the gameplay footage is super fucking staged

or people who shit talk me but they're definitively worse

my favorite example

[median steeple]

most people who shit talk are trying to deflect from their own failures

[spring patrol]

classic

[hearty nebula]

like 8 or 9 of those 10 rescues were him

and so was the revive

[royal vortex]

except me. i simply call it like i see it

[hearty nebula]

the veteran and the other pysker weren't even at level 30

[median steeple]

oh course all wise mighty being

[royal vortex]

[cyan seal]

yo is flesh tearer/uncanny still considered BiS by far for dagger?

[ember yew]

It was never a BiS

just usable

[remote lark]

It never was

That's a horrible build

[cyan seal]

hmm, different to what I heard here a few months ago lol

[obsidian prairie]

A few months ago we said the same thing

[ember yew]

knife in general is Uncanny + Riposte/Precog or Riposte + Precog

for zealot

[remote lark]

Riposte/precog

[cyan seal]

what's meta now?

[silver granite]

Yeh ^ for havoc?

[cyan seal]

cool. thanks

auric

[remote lark]

Riposte/precog, pre/uncanny if you suck at dodging and killing crushers

[silver granite]

What weapons/perks/blessings

[remote lark]

Precog is the one that gives finesse damage right

Or is that riposte

[cyan seal]

crit dagger zealot

[ember yew]

precog

[remote lark]

K

[ember yew]

riposte is 20 CR

[north sedge]

Havoc has been out a day, there is no meta for it yet

[remote lark]

Dodge -> special h1 h2 l3 kills a crusher with precog/riposte.

[cyan seal]

precog only being 2 seconds sounds like not very much

[royal vortex]

i bet if i look on gameslantern i can prove you wrong

[remote lark]

Generally high havoc wants high cleave weapons.

[cyan seal]

is it more than it sounds?

[hearty nebula]

depends on what you mean by "meta"

[remote lark]

Knife has 50000 dodges. You'll have alot of uptime, and synergy when dodging crusher/maulers to then one or twoshot them.

[north sedge]

Razgriz stayed up all night working on their meta havoc build for sure

[hearty nebula]

meta could just be cheesing it lol

[ember yew]

it combines with duelist with some insane damage numbers, you get like 500+ dodges per game usually

[gleaming kelp]

Crucis or ironhelm for thammer

[remote lark]

Crucis

[visual stream]

Ironhelm

Both gud

[remote lark]

Not any more.

[visual stream]

Why is that

[plain minnow]

What is dump on bolt pistol? Mobility again?

[remote lark]

Name 1 reason ironhelm is better.

[ember yew]

collateral

[limber trellis]

cooler name

iron...hat

[remote lark]

With thammer changes crucis has same ad clear and a better charged attack since it's overhead

[visual stream]

Does everything that crucis can do minus one-shotting bosses on a meme build, and does something that crucis cab't

[gleaming kelp]

Doesn't iron cleave better apparently? Google confused me when searching.

[visual stream]

Also cooler name

[plain minnow]

Isn't stagger is good on bolt gun?

[remote lark]

not in any way that matters.

Crucis does everything ironhelm does better.

[north sedge]

Ironhelm can horde better

[remote lark]

Better damage, better moveset.

[royal vortex]

high impact... coal shovelling

[wicked slate]

Blessings for Relic blade?

[remote lark]

@wicked slate check pins

[visual stream]

Oh so bait I see

[wicked slate]

cheers

[north sedge]

Razgriz has failed me for the last time

[visual stream]

Or you don't know how to use it xd

[remote lark]

not any more. Neither have leaving issues now.

[royal vortex]

😔

[remote lark]

recent patch changed thammer

[gleaming kelp]

So is that 25% weaker special fixed now for the thammers?

[remote lark]

also buffed it's charge attack

[visual stream]

How so again

[mighty root]

Anyway to fix error code 9999?

[remote lark]

they also removed most of its stun when you use it

Went from 1.5s or something to like 0.5s

[ember yew]

nope

[gleaming kelp]

Nice nice. Thank you, bark

[visual stream]

You mean with UnL

[north sedge]

Ironhelm special is definitely better horde clear. I prefer crucis also but I'm not gonna pretend ironhelm doesn't have that going

[visual stream]

?

[mighty root]

So I just can’t play havoc?

[remote lark]

Why would you use ironhelm special for horde clear? O.o

[mighty root]

[north sedge]

?

[remote lark]

It only affects the first target hit

[ember yew]

could be servers acting

[next crow]

if you consistently hit error 9999 you need a different host

[ember yew]

9999
1013
2013
3013
etc

[mighty root]

I can play everything else

But havoc

[north sedge]

No it doesn't

[remote lark]

I'm pretty sure it does..

[gleaming kelp]

I dunno, some forum posts said that the iron had a weaker special attack for some reason. I assume that isn't the case anymore

[remote lark]

Buff is expended immediately upon contact

It doesn't help with cleave other than dealing bonus dmg to first target hit

[mighty root]

It does

[remote lark]

Yeah

[obsidian prairie]

Ironhelm special cleaves until it hits an elite or special

[north sedge]

That is still true, that is the trade off. It's 15% if you use the overhead on ironhelm

[mighty root]

It’s not a strike down

[remote lark]

Interesting

I dont think it's better than crucis though

[gleaming kelp]

[remote lark]

Post unl crucis horde clear is perfectly manageable

Crucis doesn't miss any horde clear bps that ironhelm offers with their normal attacking loops, and offers a better special attack

If you're having horde trouble on crucis you can take ht/s and still one-shot crushers

lol

[spare talon]

unironically
might swap from uncanny riposte to shred riposte on this dueling sword

for havoc

[obsidian prairie]

Ironhelm might re-emerge into the spotlight because of high havoc hitmass

[visual stream]

Multi-tasking is just a very good thing

[remote lark]

Truee!

[pine osprey]

I really vibe with the MK 2 power sword

[remote lark]

So yeah

[obsidian prairie]

But that would also entail playing a 3 dodge weapon in havoc

[remote lark]

Not a troll

Or bait

I just know how to read

[next crow]

so far all the havoc parties i've seen use psykers for havoc hitmass

[remote lark]

:)

[visual stream]

It is still preference on what you want but IH is a much better generalist

[remote lark]

I'd like to try IH special cleaving on havoc now

That sounds fun..

Esp maybe with impact blessings but maybe that's too troll

hmm

[obsidian prairie]

The only issue is it stops on elites

[remote lark]

Grrr fatshark

[obsidian prairie]

Which get to eat an empowered heavy but still

[gleaming kelp]

Guess I'll just try the ironhelm when I get around to it. Really got a decent rhythm going with the crucis as I'm lvling

[visual stream]

It doesn't feel like a downside tbh, just have to play around it

If your next swing is coming from the right then dodge to get the most trash between the first valid stop target

Feels yummers slamming 50 and exploding one

[remote lark]

In the context of havoc with increased elite spawns I think it would be an issue

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking

[remote lark]

But I'm really curious if we can piece together a high impact stagger build with thammer or crusher to just manage hordes instead of relying on damage

Sigh

[obsidian prairie]

Special -> light 1 spam on crusher would be more effective

[remote lark]

1 havoc level a week

Meowwww

[remote lark]

That's probably why they fixed the lethal prox interaction lmao

[pine steeple]

Say it ain't so

[remote lark]

Just with crusher

[obsidian prairie]

Strange

[remote lark]

Wait

HAHA

[pine steeple]

Oh thank goodness

[visual stream]

Haven't tried Havoc yet but none of them change melee damage or HP that I remember, should be fine

[remote lark]

The big argument i had w dorn about dclaw hammerblow / skullcrusher having similar performance to shred/rampage..

Maybe itll work

I want psych to have havoc options...

[remote lark]

iirc your damage gets nerfed

Or their go goes up

Hp

I don't remember exactly what it is but I know enemies effective hp is raised in high havoc

I watched a playtester duo havoc 40 earlier today

[red swift]

What're everyone's preffered mark for relic sword?

[remote lark]

It was horrifying to watch

[remote lark]

Read pins, mk3

Err, 2

Or whatever

[red swift]

ok furry

[gleaming kelp]

Weapon spreadsheet pin still good?

[visual stream]

Idk if mk3 is it but the one with the big rosette I on it is VERY fun

[silver granite]

can someone send a zelly tree? for havoc/auric mael

[remote lark]

That's mk10

[visual stream]

Haven't tried the other mark but its moveset does not feel yummers in psykh

[remote lark]

auric and havoc will eb wildly different

[silver granite]

why's that?

[remote lark]

ask for a tree for a specific weapon instead

[obsidian prairie]

Massive differences in the enemies, mainly hitmass

[silver granite]

what weapons are good?

[obsidian prairie]

Rashad works well in aurics

[remote lark]

Havoc WAY harder and has unique modifiers that make traditional builds worthless

[obsidian prairie]

But falls fucking flat in havoc

[remote lark]

All

A few are really broken

My personal favorite weapon is the tactical axe but it's not broken.

Just good.

[obsidian prairie]

Taxe is fun

[remote lark]

I will die on the hill that mk4 is better than mk2.

You cannot pick a fast weapon just to use the mark that relies on heavy loops. Just play Rashad at that point.

Mk4 uses lights and leans into mobility and faster invoc resets

[red swift]

Rashad is very good and easy to use, knife and dueling sword are top tier. Both one handed chainswords and chainaxe are solid, but not as good as rashad imo

old chainaxe better than new imo

[remote lark]

I will also die on the hill that the knife has like

a quadratic graph for skill vs how good the weapon is

If you aren't really good

Knife is griefing.

[red swift]

I perform better with knife than dueling sword but thats because I main it

[obsidian prairie]

They’re asking for havoc and Rashad dies there

[remote lark]

Same for ds ^^

I play like 2x better with taxe than knife.

[red swift]

how does rashad die in havoc

[obsidian prairie]

Breakpoints

[red swift]

lol just light more

[frozen trench]

build on taxe?

[obsidian prairie]

It can’t hit a BM breakpoint anymore

[remote lark]

If Rashad can't cleave with bromentum it's pretty bad.

[obsidian prairie]

And can no longer cleave shit

Havoc is where breakpoint weapons go to die

[red swift]

Doesn't mean it's dead honestly

[obsidian prairie]

Kinda does

[red swift]

are you IJ or piety

[obsidian prairie]

Have you seen havoc 40

[sullen forge]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jdj7D1sikJreE37jJ?invite=cr-MSxiSkcsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[remote lark]

Mk4 Unarmored/flak bromentum/shred

[sullen forge]

Make sure to kill your veterans

[hearty nebula]

guys i might have to kill myself im unironically considering using smite for a melee psyker build

[remote lark]

Or mk2 if you prefer a heavy attack loop

[hearty nebula]

please tell me that the smite electrocution status effect doesn't last very long

[red swift]

I drop cheat death for atk speed on my build

[hearty nebula]

because otherwise i'm actually going to have to try it

[remote lark]

It's like 0.5s and knocks chaff over iirc

[obsidian prairie]

The heavy attack subnode is worthless

[sullen forge]

See thats a GREAT question

[hearty nebula]

i dont mean the heavy attack subnode

[sullen forge]

I have no clue

[remote lark]

How many deaths do you average per game.
If it's more than 0 you're throwing.

[hearty nebula]

I mean the electrocution status effect from smite itself

[storm crypt]

umm

[remote lark]

Downs* not deaths

[hearty nebula]

bc this

[red swift]

Idk probably 0 or 1

[storm crypt]

the electrocution from smite, iirc, is microscopic

[remote lark]

Stops immediately after electrocution iirc

[storm crypt]

it's like, maybe 0.3s

[remote lark]

You can't benefit from it

[storm crypt]

the only way you could benefit from that is a smaul or the subnode

[hearty nebula]

im looking it up now

[remote lark]

Until death protects me from being Darktided™️

[storm crypt]

also using until death to brute force kill bosses is badass

[remote lark]

Or get the mod that let's u see enemy debuffs... mewryn..

[plain minnow]

Evergy leakage or rampage?

[remote lark]

Check pins @plain minnow

[copper hawk]

I have this exact conundrum LMFAO

[remote lark]

Rampage

[obsidian prairie]

Rampage, easy

Leakage is less damage for a bad condition

[hearty nebula]

idk where it is plus im just like

waiting a couple of days for everything to be updated before i turn mods back on

[obsidian prairie]

Unlike psyker who can quell you want your heat low as you can reasonably get it always

[remote lark]

Sigh!!!!

[brisk raft]

Mods not updated yet right?

[remote lark]

Common mewryn L!!

[plain minnow]

Cranial is good? Alright than.

[copper hawk]

Running this w chord mg13

[sullen forge]

Mewryn

Why are you saying that

[copper hawk]

I dont want 2 drop my holy rev..

[remote lark]

Numeric ui and spider sense were the 2 main broken ones iirc.. i think they're fixed by now

[hearty nebula]

u do it then

[copper hawk]

Gonna try this

[hearty nebula]

test it for me

stinkor

[sullen forge]

They are

[sullen forge]

I could probably look in a second

Doing laundry but I have DT up on my PC

[hearty nebula]

would be appreciated

[wicked slate]

Thought this was funny

[hearty nebula]

how come

[sullen forge]

I know where you work now…..

[hearty nebula]

oh

[remote lark]

1 away from greatness

[hearty nebula]

the 5 4s

[remote lark]

no u dont

[sullen forge]

Yes I do….

[remote lark]

xD

I don't work here gayleo

[sullen forge]

Uhuh…

[hearty nebula]

i wonder how many "purge the heretics" i have

[sullen forge]

1 million you get Poxbreaker

As a title

I’m like shy 50k

[remote lark]

Loser !!

[sullen forge]

Explode immediately

[hearty nebula]

halfway there

[red swift]

Yeah Cheat death is mid without the 2nd talent heal, I would either go 2 points or 0 points in it, but never 1

[remote lark]

Yesir

[copper hawk]

Yah

I know

But i cant give it up,,

[sullen forge]

Good dog

[copper hawk]

Something preventz me ,,

[red swift]

im surprised they never touched cheat death though, 2 minute CD on it is way too low lol

[copper hawk]

It feelz ,, wronge ,,

[remote lark]

What the fuck is this

Is this havoc?

[copper hawk]

Yes

[remote lark]

OK u may live

[hearty nebula]

because ur bumpy weird

[remote lark]

This time..

[sullen forge]

Havoc demands you run toughness

[copper hawk]

Shut the flip up,,

I MOG u

U r MOGGED by BOTTOME

[remote lark]

Never!

[sullen forge]

Cause that shit will hurt you

[copper hawk]

What that make u

[remote lark]

U wish u can MOG me

[copper hawk]

SUBTERRANEAN datz wut ..

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-big-nathan-jack-gif-18675724

[spare talon]

i am unironically dropping uncanny on a chorus build for shred just to ensure all my crit talents are able to be active regardless of situation since im taking stalwart

[copper hawk]

Ur a worme. A meowre inzect

[burnt yarrow]

Well Howdy Y'all.

[remote lark]

The only thing u top is a bed cica

[copper hawk]

Beneath my feetz ,,

[spare talon]

cuz lord knows i need that enduring tdr in havoc

[copper hawk]

Yowdy H'all,,

[sullen forge]

Honestly for havoc

I literally can’t blame you

[copper hawk]

Mmm blahaj,,

[sullen forge]

Anything to abuse keeping Ability up

[hearty nebula]

real

[burnt yarrow]

Real and True.

[spare talon]

i noticed how much stalwart was dropping off, and how unreliable riposte was when having to play more passively

[remote lark]

I'd like to try a 100% crit havoc build sometime with u, I think that won be necessary if you have 2-3 piety users

[spare talon]

and thus enduring and iod were dropped down really far

this build at max can now reach 90% lmao

[remote lark]

Wtf

[hearty nebula]

i wonder how many people will actually end up getting this

[spare talon]

dropping my crusher non crit damage from 1000 to 600 for it

[remote lark]

Thammer

[red swift]

Reject the DS, go back to your ex the Knife

[hearty nebula]

thammer isn't guaranteed oneshot without proper buffs iirc

[sullen forge]

You kinda have to play more passive from what I noticed cause holy shit “Emperors Fading Light” really effects how you have to approach shit

[spare talon]

i am going full meta for havoc tbh
the range it has is better for safety

[green steppe]

how do i get higher level weapons without waiting an hour for store to reset? do the random forged ones have a chance of being high or something

[sullen forge]

Emperors Fading Light Reapers are unironically a new fear

They fire so fucking fast

[red swift]

I have best success with uncanny/lacerate still personally over anything else

[hearty nebula]

do you mean rating, rarity, or mastery

[copper hawk]

Being behind a reaper and it still shooti g you is stupid

[sullen forge]

It’s like running into a heavy main who was reved behind a corner

[copper hawk]

And i doubt this will ever be changed

[green steppe]

Im not entirely sure, the little symbol with 4 arrows pointing up

[obsidian prairie]

You have to empower , you are only ever going to get power 300 or so bases from brunt

[remote lark]

I wonder if u can use piety teammates to cheese martyr Rashad bromebtum bps

[hearty nebula]

that would be rating

[median steeple]

what level are you on now

[remote lark]

or if I'm dumm

[copper hawk]

Dodging behind a reaper 2 give it felinid backshotz w my chord 13 and it still hits me

[green steppe]

so it only drops at the minimum rating you can get?

[sullen forge]

You ever fight one with Emperors Fading light

[copper hawk]

Yes

[sullen forge]

Still on 19

[copper hawk]

Gunners are worse for me honestly

[sullen forge]

Haven’t touched it

[spare talon]

minimum rating is 10

[copper hawk]

Reapers r super slow and sometimes reload

And usually not in packs

[green steppe]

how do i get ones over 170

[hearty nebula]

random crafts can drop from anywhere between 280-310 (maybe 320? havent seen it myself)

you talk to hadron

[green steppe]

is this level dependant

[spare talon]

what lvl are you

[copper hawk]

A pack of gunners in the open wiped my team in 20 seconds in fading light mercantile part 1

[hearty nebula]

somewhat

[copper hawk]

The part w the heal statiob

They gunned us all down lmfao

3 zealots and a psyker

[sullen forge]

Yeah a pack you need golden or to immediately take cover

[copper hawk]

Yep

[sullen forge]

Me and Path both noticed

[green steppe]

im lvl 18 if that helps

[sullen forge]

You need someone

[copper hawk]

And they can shoot through fences

[hearty nebula]

if you're not at level 30, dont bother going for max rarity & spending all your money or whatever because you'll be rating capped anyways

[copper hawk]

I knowwwwww but I DONT WANNA ALWAYZ RUN BOIOIKE

GAAAALE I DONT WAAAANNAAAAA

[sullen forge]

Who has a dedicated Suppression and Ranged immunity

[copper hawk]

I WANNA HAZ FUNNE !!!

https://tenor.com/view/mimi-moment-mimi-nation-falin-touden-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-gif-1465102772899820593

[sullen forge]

Aka ILAG with Determined and Ghost

[copper hawk]

Im losing it .,

[sullen forge]

Is fucking crucial

To have on your team

Their goal is literally anti gunner that’s it

[median steeple]

dw pookie I will (I've been fiending to run book for months now)

I WANT TO PREACH

[copper hawk]

How do u fiend for something u can do whenever u want,,.

[bleak falcon]

Relic Blade is fun

[copper hawk]

NOH

[hearty nebula]

correct

shut up bumpy weird

[median steeple]

social pressure

[hearty nebula]

you dont get the romance

[copper hawk]

U r NOT allowed 2 enjoy it,,

U r too mean

Ur on ur meany arc

Bumpy mean

Worse than bumpy weird,,

[sullen forge]

Yeah we all hate you cause you don’t run Fury

[copper hawk]

Negative cica pontoz,,

[sullen forge]

Smh

[hearty nebula]

u were already negative catter points... noob!

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[lean lark]

You can also just have a zealot dash at the gunners and kill them

[mental coral]

I’m ngl I keep forgetting I’m not running fotf on my relic blade build but I’m too lazy to change my build off relic

[lean lark]

it's just heresy until havoc 20 so it's not an actual problem to rush through

[copper hawk]

Me in the open after my chastise i frames r gone and cant interdict the evenly spaced gunners

[modern jasper]

Fellow pilgrims, what are we thinking of the relic sword? What are the primary stats to roll for? Dump stat? Tips/Tricks?

[remote lark]

Read pins.

[copper hawk]

It stinkz

I hatez it !

[modern jasper]

I want to master this weapon, great swords are something I've wanted since I got the game

[median steeple]

cica is in hater mode rn

nappy time

[remote lark]

I've been keeping track of how many times someone asks dis

You are number 74

[modern jasper]

Idc how bad it is I GOTTA make it work

[remote lark]

Read pins or die!!!

[modern jasper]

Ok?

[copper hawk]

Yah,,

[remote lark]

Explode!!!

[copper hawk]

Good luck ,,

Im still tryin too ,,

[frozen trench]

i like it

[remote lark]

It's a fun weapon

[bleak falcon]

Dump Stat is like

Defense, grab wrath
Enjoy other blessing as wanted

[modern jasper]

God forbid someone doesn't have discord context

[copper hawk]

The great sword on psyker is WAYYY better

[modern jasper]

Lol

[remote lark]

No

[pine osprey]

chainsword greatsword:Am I a joke to you?

[remote lark]

Wrong

[sullen forge]

There it is chat

[bleak falcon]

Yes.

[red swift]

I've been trying Heat Management dump stat with some success, I personally run piety with it. The blessing that gives you weakspot is nice since it doesn't fall off on miss

[copper hawk]

U should try that

[remote lark]

Wrath is havoc only

[bleak falcon]

You be wrong

[copper hawk]

Honestly

[frozen trench]

carapace and unyielding is solid perks, rampage solid

[remote lark]

Silence

[copper hawk]

It's so much fun

[modern jasper]

This was my previous main

[sullen forge]

Please explain to me how you can avoid that when there's 20 plus gunners shooting you with EFT modifier

[modern jasper]

Still plan to use evis for havoc since it's my bae

[bleak falcon]

Wrath is very much needed for big hordes on like

Auric Maelstrom

[modern jasper]

But I really wanna fuck wt relic

[bleak falcon]

And the sword feels way worse without it

[copper hawk]

Not rlly

[remote lark]

No it's not

[copper hawk]

It has rlly good cleave

Even unpowered

[remote lark]

I made a spreadsheet on cleave values

[copper hawk]

It's needed on havoc though

Poxwalkers get a hitmass of like

[remote lark]

Rampage replaces wrath for aurics when powered and even when unpowered

[copper hawk]

6 lmfao

[modern jasper]

Weird, I found the MK X has better horde clear

[mental coral]

20 gunners is just wte tbh

[modern jasper]

MK II seems to be about oberhaus

Multi target - Single target type shit

[mental coral]

Haven’t tried falling light 2 tho need to see how that is 🤔

[frozen trench]

idk man, i like the mk x for the single target openings

push attack and heavy 1

[sullen forge]

Fading Light modifier with a pack of gunners you need someone who can drop them safely cause it can snowball extremely quickly

[frozen trench]

i dont like light 1 to get into the overheads with the mk2

[sullen forge]

cause gunners can move whilst shooting at you

so they'll push forward

reminder

[mental coral]

I just spam lights with mk 10 if I can’t be assed to use brain. Since light spam is 2 horizontal cleaves into a fast poke that can screw over elites it’s kinda funny

[sullen forge]

you get docked -35% toughness

[remote lark]

Other way

[sullen forge]

and there's no Toughness Grace Period

[remote lark]

Mk2 has easier access to heavy horizontals

Mk10 has easier access to heavy overheads

[remote lark]

this is also valid I suppose

I also like brain off movesets

Fun fact

Charged lights are basically the exact numerical same as uncharged heavies for both marks

I made a spreadsheet

[mental coral]

Wait is it I only 35%? I saw that one Reginald vid where he was running around with like 70 toughness and I thought it would be atleast like 50%+

[lean lark]

swift certainty angle running, sliding, having a fast enough ttk vs gunners to kill them before they begin shooting

[sullen forge]

And the shooter pack starts opening up into you?

[remote lark]

Knife zealot?

[sullen forge]

Like seriously

[remote lark]

With twbs?

I haven't gotten to play havoc yet...

And when i get home it'll be 1am

Noone Will be playing

I die

:*

Wehhh

[sullen forge]

I've played Havoc for a bit since this morning I can confidentally say you need someone who is dedicated to certain roles

[hearty nebula]

ill be on but i dont got em unlocked yet

[sullen forge]

Havoc is forcing players into gimmicks unfortunately not generalists

[hearty nebula]

cuz me lazy

[remote lark]

Can you define the roles?

Or not yet

[hearty nebula]

support guy

[remote lark]

Stfu mewryn..

[sullen forge]

Anti-Carapace, Toughness, etc

[hearty nebula]

prob a big one

[remote lark]

I'll play wbu tonight

[sullen forge]

shit like that

[remote lark]

I think thats cool tbh

A step away from the 3 step armor pen / horde clear / ranged specialist build makeup that dominates aurics rn

Into making players pick one of the 3

I think that's really cool

[sullen forge]

@hearty nebula Also

to awnser your question

dont bother

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jdkkfP4o9XfQrNDMY?invite=cr-MSxmV3AsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[remote lark]

I'll ping when I'm home

1.5h~

[cerulean moth]

what havok level do you get the armour?

[remote lark]

U dont

Freak!

No armor for u

[cerulean moth]

HUH

WHAT

But

but

[remote lark]

Just u

[cerulean moth]

I want itttttttttttttttttt

[remote lark]

Specifically

Debs coded it

This guy doesn't get it

[cerulean moth]

what level would someone else get the armour then..

https://tenor.com/bY3Cf.gif

[remote lark]

Instantly

Forever

Log into game = get armour

[cerulean moth]

thast fucked up

they really did code that shit

not to be given to me

[sullen forge]

@remote lark Do you know any of the modifiers

for Havoc

[remote lark]

I only know what I've skimmed off of the playtesters

[sullen forge]

this shit is probably the biggest make or break when it starts ramping

[remote lark]

"Shoot faster"

Uhoh

[sullen forge]

About 2x

[remote lark]

Faster firing or

[sullen forge]

its extremely noticeable

[remote lark]

Faster animation

[unkempt olive]

Fuk that

[sullen forge]

Faster Firing

[remote lark]

Oh he'll no

[sullen forge]

Gunners fucking light you up immediately

Reapers

also got buffed this update

• that modifier

[remote lark]

Bubble shield and relic zealots probably go hard

[unkempt olive]

Reapers can smd

[lean lark]

it's not that deep, you're zealot with fotf, if you're good enough you won't have any problem with it (source: I've done this multiple times already)

the actual threat you have to look out for are the regular gunners

[remote lark]

Are you a playtester

[mental coral]

Gonna be real I couldn’t tell the difference between emperors fading light 1 and normal. The two missions I did were genuinely easier than a normal auric Damnation mission

[sullen forge]

and are you a playtester?

cause I've ran a bit of Havocs already and we needed someone to focus gunners

[remote lark]

If you aren't a play tester you haven't done high havoc before which makes ur statement impossible

[stable temple]

As a Bubble Psyker who spent five hours of my day following two Zealots: yes

[copper hawk]

Actually.. troo

The one time that argument works lmfao

[sullen forge]

I took that fucking job up as Veteran

[lean lark]

lol ok

[copper hawk]

The physique check of gaming

[lean lark]

keep losing then ig

[sullen forge]

Exactly now quit arguing with me

[remote lark]

We caught dawn lying

LMAO

[sullen forge]

cause we won with that set up

LMAO

[copper hawk]

I mean he's right we dont rlly know how high havoc is

[cerulean moth]

WHEN DO U GET HE ARMOUR

TELL ME BARK

[copper hawk]

It just dropped

[remote lark]

Don't tell him

[copper hawk]

Doesnt fading light eventually get up to two ?

[sullen forge]

im not backing down out of "ermm just use this"

[burnt yarrow]

ForHonorSatlyMoments???

[cerulean moth]

wtf

[burnt yarrow]

What're you doing here?

[copper hawk]

And gunners get like double hp and hitmass ?

[cerulean moth]

stop stalking me smh

[sullen forge]

and then you get fucking destroyed by gunners 🚬

[cerulean moth]

this games my fav bruh

[copper hawk]

More australianz,,

Grr,,

[burnt yarrow]

This is insane.

[copper hawk]

Ok showar time

This is insane.

[unkempt olive]

You honestly have to have ranged focus on gunners at a certain point

[frozen kernel]

I remember when I found Crab in another Discord

Nearly shit my pants

[tepid sorrel]

mreep

[sullen forge]

@remote lark Anyways emperor's fading + cranial corruption is a fucking nightmare

you wanna know why

[remote lark]

@lean lark we aren't flaming u btw

U probably missed the context

We are discussing theoreticals of playing in high level havoc missions which means u cannot possibly have "done it before" unless you are literally a playtester

Sorry if I seemed mean

:3

[sullen forge]

besides ammo tins get docked by 75% on pick up

Im playing Shocktrooper ILAG

lmao

[tepid sorrel]

mid ass player tanner lindberg got to havoc 35 in his 12 hour giga-stream before a bug blocked his progress

[cerulean moth]

thats RIGHT

[remote lark]

WTF?

[sullen forge]

so I dont fucking vacuum ammo for the team

[cerulean moth]

stalker

[tepid sorrel]

let's not say people aren't already getting to "high havoc"

[sullen forge]

Thats Havoc 40

Thats why im saying im running Shocktrooper ILAG

[buoyant magnet]

overload any good?

[sullen forge]

its mid yeah but like

[buoyant magnet]

or is the damage terrible

[sullen forge]

I'd rather have more ammo

[unkempt olive]

Isn’t tanner good at the game

[tepid sorrel]

not really

[sullen forge]

Dorn played with him

and he uh-

died

a lot

[burnt yarrow]

We simply both enjoy a good game.

(Not For Honor).

[frozen kernel]

Tiny box with bolt pistol would be like “You get three rounds” lmao

[tepid sorrel]

neither of them are very good at the game

lol

[sullen forge]

Survialist Veteran is basically mandatory on your team

so you guys can get at least

[spare talon]

its the hardest part

[sullen forge]

SOME

ammo

[tepid sorrel]

what they are good at is using the very obviously broken-as-fuck dueling sword and mobility

[sullen forge]

Cole idk if you saw the argument earlier

[spare talon]

i did not

been pub havocing

[unkempt olive]

I have to use that to be “good” but I only have 60h in the game

[tepid sorrel]

then you aren't good, you're using an extremely overpowered crutch

😄

[cerulean moth]

So true bestie...

[tepid sorrel]

it's not good for learning the game

[sullen forge]

I'd say scroll up but its basically, just FOTF into gunners on EFL modifier instead of having a Dedicated anti-gunner

[cerulean moth]

UR NOT GOOD

[tepid sorrel]

i strongly encourage you to get "good" with other things

[cerulean moth]

for learning

[uncut steeple]

any1 else getting error 9999 trying to play their own havocs

[cerulean moth]

are gunners moving while shooting now

[uncut steeple]

any fix

[cerulean moth]

or is that not a new thing

[steel agate]

Yea

[remote lark]

Tanners better than most people but that's not an accomplishment and it gave him an ego problem

[unkempt olive]

Tis okay, I like using overpowered things

[spare talon]

thats how you die in high havoc

[cerulean moth]

swear on my mamma its new

[steel agate]

It is

[sullen forge]

LITERALLY

[tepid sorrel]

yes it's new ❤️

[cerulean moth]

my mamma lives another day

[tepid sorrel]

i'll say this

[sullen forge]

Thats why me and Path agreed your vet should run ILAG with Shocktrooper + Falter (Weird combo I can explain) + And Ghost

[tepid sorrel]

there are a LOT of wild ass takes in here

[sullen forge]

seeing the ammo tins on high havoc

[cerulean moth]

so whats the difference between my havok clerance level and my havok assingment rank

[remote lark]

Me when I have 5 zealot characters

[sullen forge]

are extremely punishing

[cerulean moth]

iig

nvm

[frozen kernel]

I will say, I’d rather have shit players with good gear than shit players with shit gear. At least I know if their weapon is OP and they’re sucking, it’s only uphill from there

[cerulean moth]

i just read

[sterile stone]

[buoyant magnet]

oh wow, 25 damage on overload explosion that has to be a bug or something right?

[frozen kernel]

I say this imaging that the shitter is my friend and not a random pug though

[remote lark]

No it's just ass

Lol

[frozen kernel]

Big distinction

[remote lark]

I think the point of overload is stagger

[wraith cipher]

lol i always love the "trust me bro" peeps trying to pass on their knowledge

[remote lark]

THIS

[tepid sorrel]

i would rather the players learn how to play the game rather than using a crutch

[remote lark]

U sound like dorn

But nicer..

Smell weird

[cerulean moth]

Dorn without the spice

[tepid sorrel]

like all i'm saying is that

[cerulean moth]

smell my ass

[steep flame]

overload is kinda shit ngl

[remote lark]

Dorn indirectly says that by calling u shit if u use anything he thinks is good

[sullen forge]

what are we arguing about now

[cerulean moth]

YOUR SHIT

[remote lark]

You're

[frozen kernel]

Yeah ultimately. But at the end of the day if my buddy needs to crutch DS in order to enjoy playing the game, it’s easier to let them have fun than go “reeee ur playing the game wrong”

[unkempt olive]

Idk it’s kinda a weird take, if it allows me to not die and pull my weight the same as players with 1000s of hours what’s the problem lol

[tepid sorrel]

using something really blatantly busted doesn't give you any opportunities to learn HOW to play

[misty portal]

there's no problem, play your video game how you like

[frozen kernel]

I still roast my guys for not opening their ears

[tepid sorrel]

when it inevitably gets nerfed down to a reasonable level it's going to hurt you

[remote lark]

I will say this
With dork banned, zealot chat has been flooded with god awful advice and takes

[sullen forge]

I'd say the only pass im giving on the Insanely OP weapons if you're trying to clear like Havoc 40 cause that shit is brutal

[remote lark]

I've had blowout fights with ppl over dumb shot like

[zinc talon]

CRUSHER

RELIC

[remote lark]

Whether or not mobility dump is good

[zinc talon]

CORRUPTION AURA

[buoyant magnet]

it dosent even stagger maulers

[zinc talon]

stun grenades scare and confuse the throwing knife goblin

[cerulean moth]

damge is a dumpstat.

[sullen forge]

@remote lark Anyways Do you care to know the other modifiers Lumii