zealot-class

[placid fiber]

Something besides crit and weakspot damage for the perks

more than likely

I think

maybe

[opal star]

aight man

[terse escarp]

BLESS YOUR SOUL

[median steeple]

rampage and heatsink is what I've been running

[light badge]

o7

[median steeple]

flak/elites or cara/unyeilding is what I've heard

[placid fiber]

By the time I feel like gaming we'll probably have worked out meta blessings lol

[opaque island]

how does it feel Ciaphas

[median steeple]

really good

[light badge]

I can't just deny a Johnny Bravo pfp of the glory of red weapons

[placid fiber]

for the mk2?

[median steeple]

for the X

at least

[placid fiber]

ah

[median steeple]

idk anything about the 2

[lunar fable]

the havoc i just did

[median steeple]

haven't used or seen it yet

[tame narwhal]

Is the red weapons a mod?

[opaque island]

in the showcase video i only saw them showcase the mk10 there's a mark 2?

[placid fiber]

the mk2 is the one that the moveset interested me more on :/

[median steeple]

yes

[rocky nacelle]

Flak Cara, precog unstable power

[median steeple]

thank you

[red mesa]

So I heard hitmass is different in high havoc.
Will this potentially make Wrath and some other less used cleave blessings worth running for high havoc runs? What have yall figured out

[lunar fable]

was me and another zealot playing the game while the other 2 were yapping to each other and getting downed

[opal star]

more sworg

[placid fiber]

Already posted your build in case you hadn't seen it. x.x

[north sedge]

Mk2 has more varied moveset and access to better single target

[light badge]

@rocky nacelle sell me on mk8

[tame narwhal]

Can’t wait to see the 4 Ogryn running the new stubba

[placid fiber]

I got the perks and blessings tho now

[rocky nacelle]

I’m not typing all this shit on my phone

I’ll just get to my pc and copy and paste what I found

[light badge]

lmao

[tame narwhal]

Mood

[misty mason]

All I know is the uppercut slash can almost 1 tap crushers

In psykh

[tame narwhal]

WHAR

WHAT*

[misty mason]

So with duelist etc it's gonna be vracked

[remote bluff]

how to trigger the uppercut slash

[misty mason]

It's the non default mk

[tame narwhal]

Bruh I wanna commit crushers racism again

[placid fiber]

How's this for ease of posting? lol

[tame narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-jetstream-sam-gif-25214626

[rocky nacelle]

People need a better reason to use fgs besides seeing my build

gimme a sec

[median steeple]

Oh god im gonna whif so many moonlight blades

[rocky nacelle]

Psycho

pro tip

warp unbound + moonlight blade

HF

[median steeple]

yeah that's what im using rn

[placid fiber]

True, I just thought I'd help answer anything I had access to

[median steeple]

I just don't know if I should use a staff or a gun

I was thinking purge for havoc

and gun for everything else

[rocky nacelle]

I’m using it with a double barrel

lmfao

[light badge]

Consider the following @rocky nacelle

[rocky nacelle]

I’m gonna try it in havoc soon

[placid fiber]

Cheese?

[light badge]

Empyric Resolve, warp charges, Shriek

It's quite silly

[rocky nacelle]

Sorry I have sex

not making that build

[placid fiber]

[tame narwhal]

Wait you guys have sex?

[light badge]

Somehow, yes

[rocky nacelle]

Don’t tell slaanesh

🤫

🤐

[opaque island]

yknow as far as first pulls without any mastery, this is pretty FUCKING good

[tame narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-gif-26722749

Tempting lol

[rocky nacelle]

@light badge

but apparently soyker mains deem mk8 as the "brain off" option

¯_(ツ)_/¯

im gonna keep using mk8

[misty mason]

Do regular attacks count as non warp attacks with fgs

Figs and pigs

[rocky nacelle]

you'd have to test

[placid fiber]

One is a igs with a f, and one is a igs with a p

[rocky nacelle]

also heres a maelstrom on Silo Cluster (the wave of muties and bursters one waaay earlier)

I was using mk8 FGS and DBarrel

[misty mason]

Figgys and piggys

[misty mason]

FS users and PSusers

[undone pewter]

what pairs nicely with the force swords?

[lunar fable]

[placid fiber]

Sorry, the princess is in another castle

[pine steeple]

IT'S ACTUALLY A GUARD POINT

RELIC HAS PERFECT BLOCK RAHHHH

[heady rapids]

a gun

[undone pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-jetstream-sam-gif-25214626

I can do that

[placid fiber]

Something that does stuff to enemies at a range of greater than melee

[misty mason]

I would guess maybe a VS

[brave plover]

Spearhead Boltgun is the best gun? 🤔

[heady rapids]

i've been running vraks 5 scriers dd all day

[misty mason]

Cause yeah if you're melee focused you want something that can blammo at a distance

[pine steeple]

Something to get the crowds to back off like trauma/voidburst

[heady rapids]

with a precog mk6

[heady rapids]

very very bad option

[pine steeple]

It's close

[misty mason]

Wat

[heady rapids]

your force sword is your horde clear

[misty mason]

Yeah this

[heady rapids]

else you're just not gonna use your special

[brave plover]

Which one is for you? I assume you have a better one in use

[heady rapids]

and then what would be the point of bringing the sword

[light badge]

trying my first pub havoc

wish me luck homies

[heady rapids]

also

[misty mason]

Maybe revolver?

[heady rapids]

probably gonna make my character a midget

cause its annoying to use the special.. lol

[pine steeple]

What would you use?

[spring patrol]

loved it with agripinaa

[median steeple]

is there a difference to holding down heavy for the wave?

[heady rapids]

vraks 5 was doing the job for me, revolved i'd consider less given i have a very strong anti armor weapon

[heady rapids]

just delays the activation

[red mesa]

for MK X relic sword what are you guys using for hordes?
Im finding myself doing l1, l2, h3 -> l2 and repeating H3 and light 2 once im in the loop. It just feels the cleanest to me. Feels like looping the heavy sword H2, l2

[rocky nacelle]

dramatic effect

pretend you're an anime character

or something

[heady rapids]

force sword meta is being short

unironically

[brave plover]

I just finished a Damnation mission and this Penance didn't count WTF? Quickplay doesn't count?

[ornate bone]

let's gooo

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-12325236665134873866

the cosmetics are to fund the updates guys

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-sad-homelander-its-peak-homelander-peak-gif-14542009839452529163

[misty mason]

I wonder if fs charge is based purely on melee kills

[frosty herald]

Gunners are evil

[pine steeple]

I could see vraks V getting along really nicely with the Deimos. Will try

[frosty herald]

It is

[misty mason]

Or if you could use burn and swap it in

[frosty herald]

And it goes down when you kill nothing

[fleet zealot]

it aims a bit higher

so aim a bit lower

that's what i'm learning

[misty mason]

Ah so no venting shriek cheese

[rocky nacelle]

its like

[fleet zealot]

also done with malice friends

[rocky nacelle]

2 inches higher

than your weapon

its slightly elevated

on shooting the beam

[fleet zealot]

who wants to carry me to auric maels

so i'm not completely behind

[ornate bone]

I think the psyker sword can't headshot on the special

Or maybe I'm lighting my own gas

[jolly forum]

imagine this has been asked a milliuon times , what blessings work well on relic blade?

[fleet zealot]

it can

[rocky nacelle]

doesnt need to when you just crit at full charge and 1 shot anyway

[fleet zealot]

i think it doesn't have prio

[hard nexus]

yeah it’s kill

[median steeple]

Im off to the normal board to do this event

https://tenor.com/view/bilbo-water-going-on-an-adventure-run-gif-15833854

[lunar fable]

i can't queue into my assignment

bleghhh

[fleet zealot]

also

who tf designed warp slice

20 second cooldown at t4

[rocky nacelle]

[hearty nebula]

curious if ogryns got fucked over or not with their talent tree layout changes

lol

[fleet zealot]

not really

but like much things about ogryn

they are making it a big deal

[trail mantle]

*they

not in og chat

ish

[fleet zealot]

it's mostly reddit

"ogryn is already the weakest class"

[brave plover]

Which one of both MK is better? Also how do you do the moveset?

[abstract berry]

seems like we like the MK X?

[trail mantle]

meanwhile I swap to ogryn when I want to brain off chill and drag mfs throug missions

the second one more ends up happening when I am trying to do the first

[fleet zealot]

mkx is simpler

[misty ravine]

Pretty much just gotta try them. I thought I would like the MkX more but the MkII might actually be my favorite. Only done one mission with each so far though

[fleet zealot]

the mk2 might be better but it's also really complex for a DT melee

how fucked am I if i try to join a random auric maels pub

rn

[winter furnace]

tbh it's deceptively simple imo, itj ust seems complex at first

[abstract berry]

im just using my bleed knight zealot talent build and enjoying it for now haha

[opaque island]

I personally am leaning towards the MkX and i think its L1 L2 H3 H4 H3 H4 for horde clear, and H1 H2 L3 H1 H2 L3 for big boi

but dont quote me i just played in the psykhanium for a bit

[fleet zealot]

that sounsd about right

[misty ravine]

Honestly one of my favorite parts is simply being able to do a fast activate+strikedown

[opaque island]

thats for MKX i dont like MkII moveset when i played with it

[fleet zealot]

you can PA for single target as well

[lean lark]

mk2 is stronger than mk10

but mk10 i like more

[placid fiber]

Got it, so light attack spam for crushers.

[burnt belfry]

AYE! I GOT MINE LIKE THAT TOO! >:D

[brave plover]

Fair enough

[winter furnace]

i feel like its actually just purely down to preference

[lean lark]

it is

[opaque island]

im gonna go put a pizza in the oven and once i eat i shall run the new misison

[hollow turtle]

is the new sword like executioner sword from vt2

[opaque island]

exactly, i knew what i typed would make snese

sense

[hollow turtle]

im a big fan of horzontal head taking and overhead swing heavy

[lean lark]

mk2's upwards heavy reminds me of the hsword 6

[placid fiber]

Glad to know us 2 brain heads got eachothers ears I mean uh... backs

[jolly forum]

what blessings are decent on relic sword then?

[brave plover]

Why don't you share with your brothers and sisters?

[opaque island]

https://tenor.com/view/my-ears-make-it-stop-loud-noise-quiet-gif-17369234

[brave plover]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[opaque island]

I cannot send pizza through cyberspace to you comrade

[winter furnace]

theres lots of good combos but it really depends on what youre trying to do with it

[jolly forum]

i like horde clearing

[lean lark]

leakage syphon

[brave plover]

That is because your oven is not blessed

[placid fiber]

Die as fast as I can to crushers

[opaque island]

they finally gave dukane her own corner

how sweet

i hope she stays there where she belongs

[winter furnace]

erm... based alert

[placid fiber]

Oh you meant with the weapon

[misty nova]

Cranial Heatsink

[opaque island]

erm... wh at the sigma?

[jolly forum]

ty

[misty nova]

Leakage Rampage

[opal star]

well that looks heretical

[opaque island]

people keep saying different blessings

i dont think we have a these are the best blessings yet

[winter furnace]

well thats because theres alot of good blessings on this

[hollow dove]

this explosion radius is fucking doodoo

[lean lark]

because theyìre all good

except for overload

[brave plover]

I didn't notice the explosion yet

[opal star]

idk why but heatsink doesn't seem to.. work

[opaque island]

im not good at thinking for myself when it comes to build ideas and even i could tell you that

[hollow dove]

it's like a knife range explosion around you

[winter furnace]

the blessings are easy my issue is the perks i have no idea what to put on this thing

[opal star]

good ol' flak elite:

[brave plover]

F

[winter furnace]

i mean that works yeah

[hollow dove]

idk what other blessings you'd even consider other than leakage rampage

[opaque island]

I noticedin the psykhanium it definitely didnt seem like it was working

[winter furnace]

but i like onetapping maniacs :(

[burnt belfry]

Is this just one helmet or is it a helmet for everyone?

[lean lark]

the "best" is whatever gives the most dmg and cleave

[opal star]

the sword already has a gorillion cleave when powered

[winter furnace]

yeah

[hollow dove]

You don't need cleave. Special mode has infinite cleave (ignore hit mass)

[misty nova]

Syphon is just Momentum

[lean lark]

are you sure

[misty nova]

We all know what we think about momentum

[hollow dove]

yes

[fleet zealot]

no it doesn't

lol

[hollow dove]

You can hit a bulwark on its shield and it doesn't even care

[lean lark]

post proof

[misty nova]

Wrath is wrath

[fleet zealot]

you can visibly see it getting stuck while it's charged

[final lake]

So I'm hearing the new sword is pretty mid. Is that correct? Please tell me I'm wrong

[misty nova]

Devastating Strike is bad

[hollow dove]

you hit through everything with special mode active

[winter furnace]

no its really good

[fleet zealot]

if you go against thick bruisers

[hollow dove]

you can even hit a wark shield

[burnt belfry]

Anyone wanna answer this or do I gotta wait 3 business days for someone to say somethin-

[misty nova]

So we are left with

[fleet zealot]

it's good, not amazing, but good

[trail mantle]

it's the local brap enjoyers getting together, dw about it

[placid fiber]

Something that people who aren't playing the game the best use

[bitter charm]

It's good. It's just not the broken as fuck DSiv

[winter furnace]

i doubt anyone knows for sure but it looks like a helmet for all

[fleet zealot]

you literally need wrath on relic to do late havocs cause the hitmas for bruisers is like 12

[final lake]

Okay, so it's not like the dueling sword but it's still usable above the other weapons

[trail mantle]

it's very well rounded imo

[bitter charm]

,it's a very good weapon

[misty nova]

Cranial
Counter
Rampage
Heatsink
Transfer
Leakage

[trail mantle]

has a solution to just about everything the game can throw at you

[winter furnace]

cranial leakage is funny

[lusty turtle]

has like ~11 cleave

[lean lark]

yeah

[placid fiber]

These sound like issues you would get from stds

[lean lark]

so wrath is definitely bis for high havoc

until high havoc its leakage + any

[pine osprey]

I heard from early access players that its great with cleave perks and mommentum and when its powered up its INCREDIBLY powerful

[lean lark]

(because leakage is power)

[opaque island]

good thing i dont plan on playing havoc anytime soon :^)

[hollow dove]

It's honestly good that it's not like dueling sword because dueling sword is way too strong

[lusty turtle]

depends if you consider a really strong generalist weapon that requires resource management "mid"

[fleet zealot]

me neither literally first attempt at pubbing an auric maels and i have to clutch

[median steeple]

the sword is peak

[opal star]

what in the

[trail mantle]

I FUCKING LOVE GENERALIST WEAPONS THAT HAVE UNIQUE MECHANICS

[fleet zealot]

cause the wound psyker couldn't stop hitting the floor

[trail mantle]

RAA

[fleet zealot]

literally why tf do i have to clutch for shitters multiple times i'm just going to leave

[opaque island]

behold!

[lean lark]

it just works

[bitter charm]

Because of varying skill levels

[fleet zealot]

i don't think leakage is good

it's rough to manually edge the weapon

[lean lark]

you are wrong

[fleet zealot]

rampage is 36% strength

[lean lark]

rampage is 36% damage

[fleet zealot]

no

the tooltip is wrong

been wrong

[gusty orbit]

Rampage is strength but text doesn't say so

[fleet zealot]

rampage has been giving strength since strength was called power

[lean lark]

what

didnt they fix it

[opaque island]

BEHOLD YET AGAIN

[plucky gate]

sorta

[pine osprey]

To me it seems like the eviscerator but BETTER, so I like it

[fleet zealot]

fatshark added a blessing with a 20 second cooldown

[hollow dove]

its gotta be either rampage cranial or rampage leakage

[fleet zealot]

relic's unyielding damage is actually pretty hgih

[lean lark]

answer is still leakage is bis

until high havoc

[delicate torrent]

twinning

[fleet zealot]

high havoc wrath is going to eat a slot

[tiny gazelle]

does a surprising amount of boss dmg

[plucky gate]

Rampage started as damage
Rampage got changed to power at some point
But then it bugged and had power AND damage, stacking on top of eachother
They fixed this, now it's only power
but desc still says damage

[lusty turtle]

now make it a mk2

[opaque island]

I like the idea of cranial cuase it gives more damage and more heat uptime, whether its actually a noticable difference idk yet

[tiny gazelle]

what’s considered high havoc

[rocky nacelle]

I know that gator..........

[lean lark]

average fatshark fix

[rocky nacelle]

im onto you skele

[opaque island]

i didnt like the mk2 moveset

[lean lark]

20+ since it becomes damnation

[opaque island]

sue me

[hollow dove]

not a fan of mk2's attacks

mk10 is where it's at

[opaque island]

talking bout uh commisioner? i missed the word they said Brunt

[lusty turtle]

blocked

[opaque island]

its just a weapon mark bro, seems like an overreaction to me... what are you some kind of hairy tick?

[placid fiber]

unbased

[opal star]

purple ogryn

[opaque island]

wow

[merry flume]

@rocky nacelle greatsword gaming?

[median steeple]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jd8rShQaMYAElQzDh?invite=cr-MSxNSkMsMTk0NjM5OTEyLA sword is fun but man what the fuck

[opaque island]

some big opinions about weapon marks in here

[hollow dove]

I love you can just ignore a wark shield

[placid fiber]

I haven't even played due to being burnt out, yet, I'm just throwing jokes around with mine

[gusty orbit]

In paper MK2 sounds like the way more comfier and easier to use version, I'll have to use both

[lusty turtle]

passing up the almight uppercut

[hard nexus]

huh

it’s cleave is still stopping

[hollow dove]

sure you do no damage but you dont get stopped

[hard nexus]

no, the cleave is stopped

[frosty herald]

Oh yeah

The force sword slash ignores shields

[opaque island]

ugh fine ill try it in psykhanium while my pizza cooks

[frosty herald]

And can go through walls

[hard nexus]

yummers

[opaque island]

but i still think im gonna bounce off it like i did originally

[lusty turtle]

ayo, i'm also eating pizza

[placid fiber]

You had me at walls

[hard nexus]

which mk of FGS and which mk of PGS should i try first

[crude dove]

whats the best gun for a stealth zealot build? i'm currently using revolver but i've heard a lot of different things from people on what's actually the "best"

[ornate bone]

Because different people will be good at different things

[opaque island]

so like, whats the deal with this uppercut supposed to be?

[rocky nacelle]

first things first

[buoyant magnet]

f the uppercut face stabs are where its at

[south folio]

uppercut is deceptively easy to hit heads with cuz of how the hitbox works

[rocky nacelle]

and then I drink this afterwards @merry flume

[gray ice]

pass me a slice mon

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-ascending-homer-simpson-meme-gif-22971083

[opaque island]

HOLY SHIT

THATS THE GLAIVE HEAVY

[lusty turtle]

it just FEELS very good, its juiced af and can only be accessed 3 attacks in

l1 l2 h3
or
l1 h4 h3

it can also be used to attack bullwark legs under the shield

[opaque island]

ITS LITERALLY THE GLAIVE HEAVY FROM VT2

[lusty turtle]

YES

[opaque island]

it clicked

[hard nexus]

wait fr??

which mk?

[lusty turtle]

MK2

[opaque island]

mk 2 uppercut to down slash

[lusty turtle]

mk 2 is peak

[hard nexus]

is it uppercut into super fast downward slash?

[rocky nacelle]

you gotta get this tampico juice

shit is

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/s-t-a-l-k-e-r-2-heart-of-chornobyl/clips/jaQUxkIDBNplVwzkZ?invite=cr-MSxsWVAsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA @median steeple

[rocky nacelle]

a senzu bean

in juice form

[merry flume]

tampico burns tf out of my throat

[rocky nacelle]

that shit got me like this

[thorny lotus]

any non stealth based melee builds?

[lusty turtle]

you can chain it into a light downwards fast slash OR a heavy downslash

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-explode-water-gif-15929872

me drinking a cold ass beverage stoned as fuck

I turn into drake sprite commercial

[hard nexus]

fucking chris chan video essay???????

[copper hawk]

yes

[hard nexus]

oooo

[merry flume]

well if you're gonna smoke i will order food and smoke too

[median steeple]

GET IN HERE STINKY !

[copper hawk]

because walking around the zone is boring

i'm losing my mind

[hard nexus]

i’m about to walk into my house

[copper hawk]

i might just uninstall it

[median steeple]

walk. faster.

[copper hawk]

[median steeple]

pleaseeeee

[lusty turtle]

some people dont vibe with stalker i guess

[tiny gazelle]

stalker my beloved

[rocky nacelle]

@merry flume ping me when you're done and back ill do the same

[hollow dove]

Different guns for different usecases. Revolver is amazing sure, but so is the flamer and you 100% can't compare the two.

[median steeple]

IT'S HIM

https://tenor.com/view/gloryhammer-mcfife-agnus-hoots-hootsforce-gif-14411143

[lunar fable]

LMAO

this guy in my havoc

[opaque island]

okay, i think it clicked, getting to the horizontals for horde clear is a little bit trickier on mk 2

[lunar fable]

has died to barrels

3 times so far

[ornate bone]

Gloryhammer enjoyer

[merry flume]

in my experience it's because a lot of the larper types latch on to stalker and it becomes their entire personality

[lusty turtle]

easiest way is PA >l1 or h1>h2

[median steeple]

PS5 players have already created some horrific names

some I can't even say in here

[merry flume]

stalker pda beep phone notification at 300% volume in a public space

[median steeple]

holy moly

[lusty turtle]

should be an ingame report feature now

[opaque island]

i was going through l1 l2 l3 to get to it, thats alot simpler

gracias

[lusty turtle]

np

mk2 is my baby

[median steeple]

Nothing bad bad but just

[ember yew]

Concordtide

[median steeple]

why would you name yourself this

[hollow dove]

Almost every zealot runs basically the exact same shit. Pick one of these two

[buoyant magnet]

does leakage work when unpowered?

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

[opaque island]

no martyrdom, unbased

[ornate bone]

buzz lightyear build

[buoyant magnet]

I got for shield of contempt

prob best node in game

[stable cypress]

lol

[ashen quartz]

i don't think i've run piety since the skill tree rework lmao

[hollow dove]

Seems so yeah

[hollow dove]

miss me with martyrdom shit

[lusty turtle]

missing out on that immo value for high havok

[gray ice]

run marty embrace death

[lusty turtle]

also pus hardened making enemies take lik 3 throwing knives

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/this-guy-gets-it-nick-offerman-gif-14758472

[ashen quartz]

momentum 🤤

[light badge]

is one of the havoc modifiers to just reduce your max hp?
checked in the psykhanium, 175/165, yet in a mission it was 150/136

[opaque island]

ride the razors edge, stand on the edge of the cliff, hear the call of the void and stand undaunted

[median steeple]

Im glad immo nades have taken their rightful spot

[copper hawk]

hate stalker

[stable cypress]

tknives gonna suck vs pussy hardened disablers if they don't still 1tap

[copper hawk]

hate hate hate

shit ass doo doo poopy butt stinky pawful nefarious game..

[lusty turtle]

max hp and eventually max toughness

[twilit blade]

I feel like if Push attack went into H1 instead of H2 I would have so many less issues with the mk X

[stable cypress]

yeah this is the zealot nerf we need, and deserve

[heady frost]

they got a buff?

[twilit blade]

It being H2 after is so awkward

[light badge]

define eventually

[median steeple]

no they're just infinitely more useful in havoc

[fleet zealot]

immo nades are good in havoc i'm guessing

[hollow dove]

Maybe if barrels and flamer explosions didn't deal hp dmg through toughness I'd consider it.

[light badge]

please don't tell me it gets worse than 150 toughness on psyker

[opaque island]

sounds like a.......

[hollow dove]

problem with immo nades is the talents before it ngl

[opaque island]

skill issue :^)

[median steeple]

psykers getting toughness buffed just for hav to lower it again

lmao

[fleet zealot]

ehh

nah

[delicate shadow]

later

[fleet zealot]

restored faith+ purge is like

fine

[delicate shadow]

🙂

[fleet zealot]

it's no different in quality from stuns pathing

[light badge]

:/

[lusty turtle]

at some point over the course of your havok missions

[fleet zealot]

knife pathing is just busted

[copper hawk]

what does toughness grace period mean

[misty nova]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[lusty turtle]

there might be a reason i requested psyker get +15 toughness

[hollow dove]

I'd rather not chance the one time accidentally happens and ruining a run over just playing it safe and still being good

[hollow dove]

if piety wasnt that good maybe i'd do it

[copper hawk]

aaaah

tank u

[misty nova]

That's from Path of Redemption btw

[lusty turtle]

don't worry i will strike down zealot next

tree reshuffle here we come

[ionic galleon]

what is the dump stat on revolvers (mk xiv)

[opaque island]

so now i wont get stunned from guns breaking my toughness BUT i take more damage from the ranged after my toughness breaks, am i reading that right?

[lusty turtle]

(i still have no idea what the ogryn tree shuffle was)

[hollow dove]

they took ogryn out back

[lusty turtle]

yes

[hollow dove]

he didn't deserve it

[stable cypress]

in the spirit of the ogryn shuffle it needs to nerf the worst weapons the most, so make sure it somehow screws evis mk3 over

[hollow dove]

ogryn was already the weakest and they made him worse

🥲

[lusty turtle]

so you better use your new unstunned state to dodge

[remote lark]

so

i've been testing cleave values and stuff in psych

[lusty turtle]

people think kickback is bad?

[stable cypress]

only glugger and kickback got hurt and honestly they both deserve it (for different reasons)

[opaque island]

y'see my secret is my toughness never breaks causei chastise the shooters

[stable cypress]

I mean the rumbler

[remote lark]

and for the relic sword, the unpowered heavy loop is almost identical to the powered light loop in terms of... everything

[stable cypress]

even tho yeah its also a kickback nerf

[remote lark]

kills the same amount of enemies

does almost the same amount of damage (single percentage point differences)

[hollow dove]

fr nerf the shovel kekw

nade gauntlet actually

[lusty turtle]

which mk of relic

[opaque island]

for me the relic blade isnt about the results, its about how it feels

[lusty turtle]

is it the stink mkx

[opaque island]

and so far it feels great

[heady frost]

why mk10 stinks

[misty ravine]

The vibes-based approach

[hollow dove]

I like the relic blade, but the best feel for me still is the shock maul

[hollow dove]

how you got red?

[remote lark]

mod

[hollow dove]

pog

[lusty turtle]

the evil itself 😔

[remote lark]

also brunt sold me a mkx that was named mk2

i think thats a bug

[stable cypress]

lmao sick

[hollow dove]

leakage over rampage?

[lusty turtle]

its honestly not, i just don't like how light spammy the mkx is

[remote lark]

testing unbuffed values first

im making a spreadsheet

[fleet zealot]

i feel chaxe

is going to suck

[hollow dove]

leakage actually works while unpowered btw

[remote lark]

i'll do rampage next

[lusty turtle]

depends on modifiers, i cleared a 40 with chaxe on vet

[fleet zealot]

i can see it, slaught+ht is a strong combo but if enemies get so much hitmass

[fleet zealot]

leakage is just worse rampage

besides like

single entities

[misty nova]

Heh

[fleet zealot]

which relic doesn't struggle with

[jaunty gust]

Very first purchase on my zealot today, hell yeah

[lusty turtle]

i wouldn't take it into a 21st recon map, but outside of that it does fine

[remote lark]

don't laugh at me

[fleet zealot]

i will

[hollow dove]

run both duh

[remote lark]

this is what works best for me for figuring out what blessings i wanna try

[hollow dove]

its gotta be either leakage rampage or cranial rampage

[remote lark]

those magic tools you showed me are too big for my brain

[solid solar]

Hell yeah!

[remote lark]

my brains smooth

the numbers slide right off

[buoyant magnet]

zealot needs a new keystone that lets use dual wield 2 relic blades

[lusty turtle]

be my guest, just take frags or something with it

[fleet zealot]

need either wrath for high havocs or a charge economy so you aren't stuck with an uncharged sword

[lusty turtle]

i was running smokes

[buoyant magnet]

no ranged weapon

[misty ravine]

And whirl around like a diablo barbarian

[fleet zealot]

nah i just remembered

i can run crusher maul

[frozen trench]

oi

which relic blade got that elite focus

mk 10 or 2?

[buoyant magnet]

x

[hollow dove]

i dont think i actually care about havoc

bc i dont play consistently

[buoyant magnet]

face stabs for days

[hollow dove]

i play a lot and then not show up for months

[lusty turtle]

mkx has some stabs, Mk 2 has a really nice strike down loop including an uppercut

so they can both do it, just different flavours

[frozen trench]

yeah

i tried the mk 2

[lusty turtle]

both get a sprinting heavy stab too

[buoyant magnet]

x push attack is a stab aswell

[frozen trench]

i prefer the strikedown opening mk 10

[buoyant magnet]

2 is a slash

[frozen trench]

the mk 2 has a vanguard openings

[dark zealot]

do weapons normally have this much reach?

[bitter charm]

I like that one the best

With the big red I

[buoyant magnet]

most weapon can reach the floor

if you crouch

[remote lark]

try the xv evis

it has the same reach

[frozen trench]

relic blade dump is mobility eh?

[misty nova]

Don't worry
I'll definitely use those for reference later

[remote lark]

[bitter charm]

The zealot drip is off the charts atm

[opaque island]

of course

[misty nova]

Yeah

[ionic galleon]

which relic blade is better?

[buoyant magnet]

yeah mob dump, im using one atm with only 3 dodges and doing fine

[remote lark]

[opaque island]

actually relic blade dump is damage

[remote lark]

i sense sarcasm

[fleet zealot]

PLEASE FREE ME

[frozen trench]

legit or bait?

[fleet zealot]

please let me join your group

[remote lark]

💀

[opaque island]

im foolin, its mobility

[dark zealot]

nmope

[frozen trench]

ok ty

[fleet zealot]

and just let me play auric maelstrom

so i can start in havoc

[frozen trench]

i like sprint speed and dodge range

[fleet zealot]

fuck i hate my friends they are all malice andys

[frozen trench]

but 60% does the job

[fleet zealot]

now i'm behind with all the schmucks who are trying to force auric maels clear

[misty nova]

Your senses are wrong
I ain't sitting on the Psykhanium testing stuff later, I don't want to

[hollow dove]

Maybe if havoc didnt decay with inactivity I'd care more about it

[misty nova]

[buoyant magnet]

yeah that does suck

[remote lark]

thats a mood

[dark zealot]

its not consistent but it can hit

[frozen trench]

anyone demo each of the three keystones?

looking for an excuse to try out martydom

[lethal totem]

first buy of the patch can I get a hell yeah

[hollow dove]

Don't

[outer gulch]

must reactivate my evisorator brain for this dman sword

[bitter charm]

Martyrdom is sick

[buoyant magnet]

Blazing is for crits, marty for everthing else

other one is a guess knife?

never played knife

[misty nova]

Crit more crit
Martyrdom stat check every thing
IJ for better dodges

[frozen trench]

ty for solid answer

and the others too

thanks

[trail mantle]

IJ prolly the most rounded of the keystones

[buoyant magnet]

relic blade is nice but dueling sword is still king I think

[outer gulch]

imo martyrdom isnt very good

[frozen trench]

I use IJ on the crusher due to the immobility

[trail mantle]

the other 2 require specific weapons or curios

[frozen trench]

I can see the same area on the relic blade

[outer gulch]

unless u know u can dodge every attack it just sets up for failure

[hollow dove]

Yeah but imo dueling sword is very boring. It's also giga overtuned

[lusty turtle]

its for most things, the dodge improvement helps some heavier weapons with defence

[misty nova]

Eh
Not enough horde munching for my taste

[trail mantle]

and marty has a lot of dangers in this game that are much harder to control then in vt

barrels, flamer's exploding after death etc

[hollow dove]

Yep I'd consider IJ on relic BC it's pretty slow and you only have 3 dodges

[frozen trench]

yeah, temp hp made it work in vt2

[hollow dove]

There's no shieldgating like there is temp hp gating in vt

[frozen trench]

any suggestions for perks and blessings?

[trail mantle]

there is, just somethings bypass tougjhness entirely

[dark zealot]

nice sweeps

[opaque island]

you dont have to sit on no hp to still have martyrdom be good you can leave yourself a little buffer for mistakes, though trappers are still the bane of your existence

[remote lark]

Okay so this little horde clear reference sheet is done. I thought it was neat that unpowered heavies roughly equate to powered lights with very little variation.

Anything else I should test before i swap over to rampage and something else?

[frozen trench]

i wanted to try the meme of overload and heatsink with the LP bolt pistol bonus explosion radius

[misty nova]

Cranial and Heatsink for blessings

[frozen trench]

did not notice it at all

30 dmg in tiny aoe

[trail mantle]

you have a like .5ish second invlun on toughness break vs ranged iirc

[hollow dove]

I played marty and then have a dog pounce backwards and stopped playing marty

[ornate bone]

bro got assed by the dog

[opaque island]

dont blame marty, blame the dog and your teamates for not saving you

also if you arent running Until Death and Holy Revenant with Marty you're doing it wrong

[median steeple]

So called free thinkers when throwing knives

[frozen trench]

carapace perk on relic blade and what else?

[dark zealot]

its the knights

[visual stream]

Haven't Dorked the new tide update yet

?/10?

[surreal shore]

guyss what is the dump stat

on these swords?

[lusty turtle]

i run cara UY i think some people are running cara elites tho

[frozen trench]

likely mobility

[lunar fable]

9999/10

[opaque island]

take a wil dfuckning guess buddy

[rocky nacelle]

@merry flume I’m havoc auric monsoon Dante must die nightfall raid cataclysm deathwish one down ready

[surreal shore]

no seriously?

[dark zealot]

hmm feels slow at killing big guys

[frozen trench]

thanks

[surreal shore]

what i the dunp stat on these power swords?

[remote lark]

I have a theory that building around sustaining powered mode isn't the best way to play it

I think there are going to be two playstyles
One where you sustain the powered mode and try to use it for everything

And one where you build around rampage and horde clear bps then just use powered mode on carapace / monstrosities... It'll be more reliable because huge hordes won't screw you over when you eventually overload / have to turn off the sword

The unpowered heavy clearing loop is half decent without rampage, I'm going to try it now.

[opaque island]

mobility is always the dump stat afaik

[trail mantle]

mobi, the power related stats are worth having

[opaque island]

if it has mobility dump it

[visual stream]

Except on flamer

[dark zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/dump-it-gif-26704933

[frozen trench]

wrath for unempowered?

[visual stream]

Where you unironically dump damage

[remote lark]

I said rampage

[hollow dove]

What do people run when IJ?

[merry flume]

pad thai 3/4's inhaled

[ornate bone]

And apparently the psyker shield activation is still absolute ass

[hollow dove]

summat like this?

[remote lark]

Heavy clearing loop doesn't need a cleave blessing

[frozen trench]

i am proposing wrath to hear your opinion

[ornate bone]

I ate shit from a reaper because the several times I pressed the button, the shield didn't show up

[frozen trench]

ye ty

[ornate bone]

Thanks Fatshark

[opaque island]

1 minute 30 seconds till pizza time

[ornate bone]

Back to SG

[remote lark]

I didn't have any hitmass issues except for when i was trying to cleave like 4 flak bruisers with light attacks

heavies are fine

[frozen trench]

i see

[remote lark]

• rampage will help alleviate that i think

[frozen trench]

rampage seems like the tech

[remote lark]

I think rampage and cranial

let's see..

[dark zealot]

sp with eh Mk X whats the combo for killing the big lads?

[pine steeple]

These new weapons (pickaxe included) feel fantastic. Bravo bigfish

[fleet zealot]

h1-h2-l3-loop

[remote lark]

h1 h2 PA

or l3, idk which does more damage

[buoyant magnet]

l3 is a stab and push attack is a stab

[remote lark]

i can see one second

[buoyant magnet]

so weave those in

with w/e

[remote lark]

both do same damage

use l3

[dark zealot]

seems to be same

i got 266 with both uncharged doing that combo

[hollow dove]

what talents people run with IJ?

[opaque island]

they definitely have the missions set to where there's a instance of the new mission on each difficulty

[remote lark]

[buoyant magnet]

pretty good range on it aswell, so you can backdodge and usually still get a hit

[dark zealot]

my sword is so bad but I want to get feel for it

[delicate vine]

Ok for real - what is the optimal combination of perks and blessings for a knife build on zealot? I mean absolute best, mathematically rigorous, SSS tier choices?

There is so much conflicting information (and confident misinformation) out there for such a fun and awesome weapon that's so build-dependent, and it's driving me insane.

Help me, Guardians

EDIT: specifically perks and blessings ON THE WEAPON, not talent nodes

[hollow dove]

finesse dump oml

[remote lark]

this, like 90% of the time.

[opaque island]

blessing are Lacerate and Flesh Tearer

[dark zealot]

I bought two and this was the better one :(

[hollow dove]

imo this

[fleet zealot]

precog riposte with piety, uncanny+precog or riposte

[hollow dove]

oh wait

perks and blessings kekw

[remote lark]

the correct answer is actually not piety, contrary to popular belief

[opaque island]

not momentum on knife?

[delicate vine]

TY but I mean perks and blessings on the actual weapon, not talent tree

[light badge]

went to try out the nerfed train mission

[opaque island]

oh wait yea crit

duh

[fleet zealot]

stop trolling we'll have legit new people here

[light badge]

it still sucks because pubbers don't know how to carry power cells

[opaque island]

they nerfed train mission?

[fleet zealot]

yea made the timer what, 10% longer?

[opaque island]

fine, party pooper

[dark zealot]

whats a power cell?

[ornate bone]

so instead of being 50 seconds it's now 55

[remote lark]

Use this.

[ornate bone]

[remote lark]

Don't use piety

[hollow dove]

Yeah I thought so, wanted to confirm

[remote lark]

Knife + scourge has enough crit on its own to maintain the crit buffs

You can use IJ to get ij's hidden buffs and still hit important breakpoints

[misty ravine]

I think it's some sort of Vacuum Capsule

[remote lark]

Most people see knife and go 'knife... crit!' and go piety, but that's not the best option it has imo

piety sucks :V

unless you're doing something funny like a tdr build

[rocky nacelle]

good cause I just got on even higher hardest difficulties

[hollow dove]

I mostly take piety bc of the left side

[rocky nacelle]

im on revengeance

[hollow dove]

tdr and toughness regen

not blazing piety

[merry flume]

huh

[oak geyser]

Whats the verdict on the relic blade

[rocky nacelle]

im revengeance auric maelstrom havoc dante must die brutal lethal furier difficulty ready

[lunar fable]

i'm havoc rank 100 already

[remote lark]

piety is like a bell curve meme

low iq: "stalwart is amazing!! i love damage resistance!"
avg iq: "stalwart sucks!!! i love my right side piety!!"
high iq: "stalwart is amazing!! i love damage resistance!"

[lunar fable]

😎

[rocky nacelle]

but you not money smart

[merry flume]

same just finished

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/flute-dome-jay-easy-mega-man-megaman-listen-gif-6959961882371481712

[hollow dove]

Not the absolute best, that's still dueling sword, but a pretty decent pick regardless

[opaque island]

literally every insane difficulty mode from action games in recent memory, im impressed

[lunar fable]

yea i'm poor

[dark zealot]

I like this new sword

[remote lark]

too early to ask this question, noone even knows what the right build is yet

[dark zealot]

your poor?

[remote lark]

but it's really good

not meta, but really good

:p

[dark zealot]

buddy your basically rich

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[opaque island]

you sad sad poors, this is AFTER rolling a relic blade and consecrateing the bad rolls for sacrifice for mastery

[lunar fable]

[remote lark]

i went broke maxing out relic mastery

[opaque island]

just get rich like me

[rocky nacelle]

I also said monsoon,cataclysm,deathwish, one down earlier

also thank you

[remote lark]

have you seen how much @spare talon has

and dorn

[delicate vine]

TY, appreciate you elaborating.

Blazing Piety vs Inexorable Judgement is a longstanding debate with my squad. I already tend to lean IJ, but I have disagreements with someone who uses BP+bleed-on-crits for the knife to stack DoT, and we go back and forth on this

[opaque island]

im the millionare to their billionare

its uncomparable

[hollow dove]

This is what I run on my knife zealot. It's not IJ but I love the toughness regen and TDR that left piety gives

[dark zealot]

tbf I dont play much and when I do im not sweating playing auric malestorm

[merry flume]

@rocky nacelle

[rocky nacelle]

FUCK

[dark zealot]

is that live action pay day?

[rocky nacelle]

how did I forget the hardest difficulty bro

I just started playing god hand again

IM LEVEL DIE READY

🫡

https://tenor.com/view/god-hand-action-comedy-punch-beat-em-up-ps2-gif-16584525

[median steeple]

payday has always had live action segments

/trailers

[misty ravine]

Yeah, from the Hoxton Breakout video

[rocky nacelle]

they were peak

[hollow dove]

also 1x stamina 2x toughness curio

[rocky nacelle]

jacket trailer

[opaque island]

Im scared that god hand is gonna show how much of a gamer i really am

[dark zealot]

good taste

[remote lark]

neither answer is wrong. The correct train of thinking is:
piety gives you access to stalwart which gives you alot of survivability
ij gives you access to dodge distance, flat damage increases, and other hidden stats the tooltip doesn't show you. It's REALLY strong.

however, bleed knife is trash and extremely hard to use.
DoT is not a thing that matters in this game except in the case of if you're consistently dealing like 90-95% damage to a specific enemy type and need something to push yourself over the edge.

Knife is not one of those weapons.

[median steeple]

Not even FGS can stop the game from fucking me it seems

[delicate vine]

Surprised you passed on Good Balance here, that's 25% DR that's arguably less conditional than Stalwart

[median steeple]

I got trapped through the stairs into a burster

[golden anchor]

Dentist Trailer, because Giancarlo Esposito needs another villain role

[rocky nacelle]

if you pick normal he says thats what I expected from you

if you pick Hard he says you got quite a pair to pick that one

[hollow dove]

I ran it for a while but subbed it out for uny damage to pair with my laspistol

[misty ravine]

FGS sounded mid from what the ps*ker channel was saying

[delicate vine]

Any hidden stats on IJ not included in the tooltip you care to share? First I am hearing about some hot tech here

[remote lark]

The reason alot of people swear by the bleed knife build is because there's a big youtuber who shills for it, but he's wrong.
he's a big meme in this discord server.

[remote lark]

@rocky nacelle i forget off the top of my head, what all does ij give?

[median steeple]

it's really fun/good but on certain modifers cough mutant waves cough it lacks a bit

[rocky nacelle]

atk spd/ranged atk spd/dmg

[median steeple]

really fun however

[dark zealot]

quick get the knife meme with the skull mask

[rocky nacelle]

and increases dodge regen and distance(?)

[hollow dove]

People still shill for bleed knife?????

[remote lark]

^^

[hollow dove]

wtf were almost in 2025 and people still shill for bleed knife

[rocky nacelle]

dont quote me on the dodge part

it just buffs dodge

[remote lark]

it does increase distance

idk about regen

[delicate vine]

Yes, that's a great example of what I mean by misinformation about knife builds specifically- if you research on YT or other media you'll get extremely confident opposite answers from different individuals

[remote lark]

and yes they do

[remote lark]

90% of people don't know fatshark fucks up most of their tooltips

even fewer are competent enough to have opinions worth reading

[remote lark]

^

thank you

[dark zealot]

tbf most of what i learned I had to get from here

[rocky nacelle]

@merry flume https://www.tiktok.com/@mariosnipless/video/7254531584714362154?lang=en

[dark zealot]

because if you dont engage with this discord you arent finding out shite unless you do testing yourself

[delicate vine]

Woah, dodge cooldown reset modifier ... meaning it DOES buff dodge regen speed? That's huge

[remote lark]

the ability to dodge farther and faster is an unquantifiable resource in a game like this

compared to piety > stalwart, simply not getting hit is WAY MORE VALUABLE than taking less damage per hit, not to mention the 15% crit you get from piety is worth way less than the 15% damage you get from momentum.

[delicate vine]

Unfortunately correct. It's a shame, but at least this place exists as a last beacon of truth

[remote lark]

iirc IJ damage buff applies after everything else, which means you get alot of value out of it

compared to things such as 'weak spot damage'

which apply multiplicatively and you only get like 2-3% instead of the listed 5% "damage buff"

[hollow dove]

Once you go IJ you never go back

that's why you don't go IJ and just shill stalwart piety

[remote lark]

i used to swear by piety because i made builds with huge amounts of tdr and i was unkillable, but i can't even apl ywithout IJ now.

not getting hit >> taking less damage

but there is one slight downside'

theres almost no ij build variety especially with knife

you -have- to take this.

its a 3 point tax

[hollow dove]

there's almost no build variety in zealot, stat

[delicate vine]

Going for the backstab CDR only isn't viable?

[dark zealot]

this is my talent that I'll take even though most people sleep on it

[hollow dove]

If you don't at least run this you're actually inting

[remote lark]

theres almost nothing negotiable about this IJ build

for knife

[remote lark]

backstab hitboxes are fucked, you won't get it half the time

plus invoc really is just that broken.

even without piety, just because you run knife + scourge

[dark zealot]

see I just dont like fury of the faithful

[delicate vine]

I like that one if I am passing by that part of the tree but I'd never stretch for it.

[dark zealot]

see but your never going down that part

[hollow dove]

That's fine. Stealth is really good too

[rocky nacelle]

@light badge @frosty herald

real drip siblings

[lost pumice]

Hey does anyone know if havok level is account wide? Or do I have to do it between characters

[remote lark]

your dash is crazy broken.
it gives you 50% toughness back, stuns anything you hit, gives you rending (armor pierce), attack speed, makes you immune to poxbursters, ranged attacks, sniper shots, and can be used to easily dodge mauler overheads at close range

FOTF is crazy broken

[hollow dove]

mob AI is so dent in darktide, you can get out of so many bad situations with stealth

[remote lark]

playing without invoc is suicide

[hollow dove]

you press stealth and the crusher just stops his overhead instantly

[remote lark]

invoc gives you your ability back like 2-3x faster than the backstab talent does

stealth is just a bad version of the dash

but its usable

:l

its main utility is cheesing revives and objectives

[hollow dove]

It's worse most of the time

but it's also better in some times

exactly

revives and objectives

[dark zealot]

thats why I like it

[hollow dove]

it also resets AI like mad

[remote lark]

yea, on to your teamamtes

😂

[hollow dove]

crusher about to overhead you, press stealth

[dark zealot]

just revive them

[remote lark]

i think people sleep oni t alot too but theres just better things you can get for your points

[hollow dove]

Then you call them skill issue for not enduring it obvs

[remote lark]

try this with knife or taxe mk 4 @delicate vine

[dark zealot]

if you switch those two people would take it more

[remote lark]

you'll never play anything else

i guarantee it

[hollow dove]

If this replenished toughness instantly, like chastise, i'd instantly take stealth over chastise

[delicate vine]

Absolutely. It's crazy to have such a situational talent at the only entry to that section

[remote lark]

chastise's value is unquantifyable because it's a movement ability

playing without it for me is almost suicide, it has SO many use cases

[dark zealot]

no one wants to take one of the worst talents to get to a good one when there are okay-good talents not behind garbage

[hollow dove]

I was the same, until I farmed for the stealth penance and then realised how clutch stealth can be

[remote lark]

"give all of zealots best talents to me for free with no point tax"

how to make a broken class

101

[misty ravine]

And a shit talent right below it, and a situational aura under that, and very very good talents on either side

[remote lark]

"situational aura" is very generous

[hollow dove]

now i take stealth sometimes, but it's still chastise most of the time

[remote lark]

that aura sucks dick

😂

[cerulean moth]

DARKTDIE DARKTIDE DARKTIDE DARKTIDE

[misty ravine]

I guess the "situation" is pox gas with randos or in case Burgle City returns

[cerulean moth]

READY TO PLAY

READAY TO PLAY

[remote lark]

woops

[cerulean moth]

Wanted to play

[hollow dove]

my issue with immo nades

[cerulean moth]

im so ready

[remote lark]

i made a mistake in the build i posted

[cerulean moth]

readyt reasdy

[remote lark]

you want the backstab + invoc @delicate vine

[dark zealot]

hear me out

[remote lark]

not swift certainty

[cerulean moth]

only mistake you made was waking up today

[cerulean moth]

fuckwit

HOW are you

today

[remote lark]

immolate yourself

[cerulean moth]

HOW are

YOU

[remote lark]

i'm making a relic blade horde clear sheet

[cerulean moth]

Clear this dick

[delicate vine]

Makes sense, swift certainty doesn't seem anywhere near as good

[hollow dove]

it's good but on other weapons. Knife has such a big dodge that it can get behind easily

[dark zealot]

bad
meh good
meh/bad garbage
only good if someone gets corruption dmg (the nurgle books)

[remote lark]

this talent is good until you get good enough to just not get hit

by big meaty attacks

[dark zealot]

im not saying it should be a free point

[remote lark]

cause at that point ur taking a 10s cd chip damage reduction talent

and you save like

3 health a proc

making it worthless

[misty ravine]

Swift Certainty doesn't proc "on dodge" effects so yeah it's not very good

[dark zealot]

its that everything above and below it is bad

[remote lark]

but its good for midrange players

[hollow dove]

Shield of Contempt is actually really good for some teammates. Like ogryn barely gets TDR (not like he needs it), which makes the 60% actually huge.

But zealot has so much TDR that diminishing returns really fuck it

[remote lark]

i made a spreadsheet on tdr values

let me find it

[dark zealot]

your taking the talent for your team, its an aura afterall

which means it has some good value especially when your bad like me and expecting your team to be bad

[remote lark]

so with 2 toughness curio
heres a sheet showing how many kills you have to do in order to regain full toughenss after taking 1 hit (base damage 77)

zealot can get to 52% tdr with like

2 talents with no taxes

as a baseline

lol

[atomic fjord]

Guys

I just did my first damnation train mission

[remote lark]

now do auric mael 3veg

[gray ice]

was it fun lad

[misty ravine]

Shield of Contempt is just completely unpredictable how useful it is. So many possible situations where it could be amazing or do literally nothing and its essentially random as there is no control over it

[dark zealot]

now assuming your some gods that never get hit, okay bad talent

[marble maple]

is there any wep mastery guide?

like I want to know what trait I should get first

[dark zealot]

however thats just a tad disingenuous aint it?

[fleet zealot]

shield of contempt only works if the hit deals HP damage

[rough galleon]

how do i call someone out for refusing to use a weapon more interesting than horizontal lights, vertical heavies, without just asking if they have a really runny nose, due to the massive skissue they're holding

[gleaming kelp]

Is invocation worth getting on the slower weps or no?

[fleet zealot]

if it's all absorbed by toughness, it won't activate

[remote lark]

ask abou ta specific weapon and what blessings it needs

then just get those first

[fleet zealot]

it's the same regardless of weapon

[hollow dove]

That's a fair argument aye

[fleet zealot]

the question if the weapon is good with crits or not