zealot-class

[obtuse solstice]

Tested it out a bit and I get plenty of crits as is, don’t think piety is needed

[glad verge]

Also what sort of builds you guys gonna try the 2 handed power sword in?

[placid fiber]

then swap to your melee and get 5 uncanny to kill 5 crushers in 1 throw?

Or the opposite lol

Damn

Well... kill a couple scab ragers then in 1 throw

[misty ravine]

I was thinking something along these lines

[wary finch]

It saved me quite the number of times in boss fights bc randoms are about as useful as a wet paper bag

[gusty stag]

Then what’s ur aim asking in chat?

[glad verge]

How did u skip the entire middle row?

[obtuse solstice]

I hadn't tested it at the time

[light badge]

are mutants considered 'human sized'?

noticing a lot of weird oneshots

[hard nexus]

lol epic bug

[hollow dove]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-cat-disco-catjamming-gif-16989864924126703156

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-photo-take-picture-camera-gif-513262279230435265

[placid fiber]

Career skills are merely a suggestion

[misty ravine]

Tapped them again? Maybe it's a browser specific thing on my phone. I made that screenshot as a joke about how every zealot is basically the same build with 7-10 points max in variance, and that's being generous assuming people aren't just going FotF.

[placid fiber]

"STOP! YOU ARE UNDER ARREST!"

[hollow dove]

me trying not to blink on a photo

[placid fiber]

Yep lol

[hollow dove]

i just watched arcane season 1

it's pretty alright. Ending was super cool but the rest is just like idk. Both really good and also really whatever

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/catfish-fishing-walking-gold-cat-gold-fish-gif-17141550

^ Meow, I found you! @hard nexus

[glad verge]

HE IS IMMUNE T OTHE UNMATCHED POWER OF THE SUN

[placid fiber]

Then... WE SHALL HAVE A DANCE OFF!

^ Me before my pills. Me after them v

[distant lagoon]

Martyrdom vs Blazing for chsword?

[placid fiber]

My guess would be IJ or piety for the chainsword, but, you can probably run marty with it as well

[hollow dove]

Never marty

Marty is bait

[placid fiber]

Marty is for when u wanna attack speed fantasy

[distant lagoon]

the fuck

Marty is great

[north sedge]

And be very hard to kill

[hollow dove]

No it's not

[placid fiber]

with +24% attack speed on top of +10% and +20% more from fotf

[distant lagoon]

Yes it is

[placid fiber]

Then throw a speed stim on

And get carpal tunnel

[hollow dove]

You lose 51% toughness and you die to a single accidental flamer blowup or barrel

It's just not worth it

[placid fiber]

within the 1st 5s

[distant lagoon]

Just don't be hit by those duh

[north sedge]

What garbage marty build you using

[placid fiber]

I have 172 toughness on my marty build lol

[frosty herald]

In what world will a barrel or flamer explosion down a martyr user in 1 shot

[hollow dove]

This guy is better than I am and he agrees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoijWA-a4ls

[misty ravine]

At that point you should just be able to whirl around like a Diablo barbarian with an Eviscerator

[nimble fiber]

yam get bo6

[frosty herald]

Oh boy

[placid fiber]

ledge

[frosty herald]

Mr e...

[hollow dove]

It does hp damage through toughness and since you're always on deaths door a single mistake gonna fuck ya

[north sedge]

Lol that guy is terrible

[frosty herald]

Mr e has terrible builds

[placid fiber]

Yeah... if you stayed at max buffs

the whole run

[hollow dove]

Which most people seem to be doing

[frosty herald]

You can tank like you have a full hp bar even when all but 1 wounds are corrupted

Gotta stack damage reduction ontop of martyr DR

[hollow dove]

If you actually use medicae then you might be acceptable but then you can't just assume it's 24% attack speed

[placid fiber]

Not everyone goes to less than 1 wound of hp left

[distant lagoon]

And? Why should he be an authority in the matter lmao?

Some random ass youtuber

[hollow dove]

so then this doesnt apply

[light badge]

was this Haymaker value?

[frosty herald]

Good martyr users use martyedom as a boost and to tank

[misty ravine]

Marty does seem to be always either At Death's Door or Better Off With IJ

[placid fiber]

Doesn't for my build, I only have 5 buffs possible

[frosty herald]

You can safely skip a medicae with martyrdom

But good players still heal

[placid fiber]

I run 3 wound buffs. If I need the heal I take it, yeah lol

[north sedge]

Marty is the toughest to kill build

[hollow dove]

I agree if you run marty it's better to still take heals

But then you just can't assume you get all the buffs all the time

at which point just run IJ

[placid fiber]

I run half hp and use a med stim or medistation as needed

[frosty herald]

Judgement doesnt give additive toughness damage reduction

[hollow dove]

Zealot already has insane tdr

[placid fiber]

Marty is strong when used right lol

[frosty herald]

Combine martyrdom with the 40% less damage when breaking a wound treshold is really funmy

[placid fiber]

and not just because of the damage thing

It's high risk high reward when played at low hp, or medium risk medium reward when played at half hp

[hollow dove]

but it's too deep down the topleft, that's a 4 talent point dip

[hollow dove]

at medium risk, IJ is simply better

[placid fiber]

12% attack speed semi-permanently makes it on par with IJ since you don't always get 15 stacks of ij every time

[frosty herald]

If you go martyr your going to go either throwing knives or left side

[distant lagoon]

And even if you do at half hp, it still outperforms Momentum node

[distant lagoon]

YOU ARE

also what knives got to do with anything

[placid fiber]

because some people can't play without second wind

[distant lagoon]

Bruh

90% of my playtime was without it

and i was fine

[hollow dove]

topleft is just really bad imo, so i always go throwing knifes

the stunstorm nades are good sure

but the rest isnt

[frosty herald]

Second wind and crit damage reduction

[hollow dove]

the healing when taking dmg past wound is good for marty, but EWEW is trash

meanwhile throwing knife's run-up got only good things

[placid fiber]

with marty you're basically running with 66% more effective health since almost every hit that does any real damage will get 40% reduction to it

[misty ravine]

Bleed For The Emperor and Restoring Faith being 4 points deep in separate branches is diabolical

[wary finch]

Tfw i need to sit on firebombs for some hundred more kills for that fucking firebomb penance bc i never bothered finishing it

[modern lintel]

think riposte over uncanny could work for ds mk5 on zeal

[placid fiber]

The thing is marty is like zealot: It's bad if you're bad

[hollow dove]

The thing I don't like marty is you're basically tempting fate

[placid fiber]

Not everyone is playing it the same

[frosty herald]

Force rending with chastive lmao

[lean cairn]

which is why mr e doesnt like it

[hollow dove]

one mistake and you put the team at such a disadv

[modern lintel]

thats kind of what i was thinking

[placid fiber]

One mistake and any build can do the same thing

[frosty herald]

Hi egg

[flat iris]

anyone know best boltpistol perks and traits i should go for as an emporer-loving zealot?

[distant lagoon]

Bruh, that guy is such a massive coper

and why the hell he even assumes you have to go full 6 wounds injury

[lean cairn]

hello

[modern lintel]

also zeal tdr doesnt have shit on vets

[placid fiber]

Without marty: 1 crusher overhead burns through all your hp... with marty: 1 crusher overhead burns through the rest of your hp...

[distant lagoon]

also losing toughness on curios does not matter if you are good enough

[frosty herald]

Martyr has such insane toughness damage resistance you can be extremely reckless

[distant lagoon]

and that too

What i will never understand is anyone arguing for inexorable judgment

[placid fiber]

What's the difference? Marty gets hp back and they have 4 or 5 buffs added to it... the other builds get hp back and they don't get the buffs, they have their own

[distant lagoon]

it isj ust literally a worse and more conditional martyrdom

[frosty herald]

Judgement is really really good

[placid fiber]

IJ is a different beast

[distant lagoon]

So for me it is always cohice between Piety and Martyrdom

[distant lagoon]

But M is just better

[distant lagoon]

How it is different if they both have exactly same bonuses lmao

[frosty herald]

You also get a dodge distance boost and dodge cooldown reduction

[stable cypress]

the condition for it is moving and dodging

[placid fiber]

IJ gets dodge bonuses and ranged damage

[stable cypress]

also yeah the dodge buff makes clutching out of bullshit way easier

[modern lintel]

i fuck up a lot when changing perks and will switch off marty to piety but forget all my wound curios have had it happen like 3 times

[stable cypress]

yeah I've done that too

[frosty herald]

Had it happen once

Safe to say i died lmao

[distant lagoon]

Sounds like something you need only if you arte bad

ALso fuck this update

It made joining ongoing game so laggy

[placid fiber]

All 3 keystones are good in their own ways

[modern lintel]

you issue

[lean cairn]

blazing piety is something you only need if you are bad

and overly relying on ability spam

[frosty herald]

Is judgement bad because you cant find any use in it or are you bad because you cant make judgement work

[lean cairn]

real zealotchads play no redoubled zeal with inexorable judgement

[misty ravine]

Costs fewer talent points than anything else, assuming you were getting Sustained Assault anyways. Basically always up if you take the dodge node (you always should). Solid benefits for any weapon

[hollow dove]

I don't think the downsides of marty weigh up against the downsides of the other keystones

[stable cypress]

yeah zealot build pathing sucks but at least we have 3 good keystones

[hollow dove]

so i dont run marty

[distant lagoon]

neither

[stable cypress]

instead of whatever the fuck is going on with ogryn

[placid fiber]

Like: IJ, Piety, AND Marty are only bad if you're bad at using their benefits

IJ also gets 20% backstab cdr

[modern lintel]

i run what i chose to run at the time simply because its fun

[frosty herald]

Only if you choose the talent

[misty ravine]

This applies to literally everything, verging on "no bad builds, only bad players" boomer platitude

[placid fiber]

IJ gets 20% backstab cdr on builds worth their salt*

[hard nexus]

i like how pious cutthroat has 20% cdr on melee backstab on a 5 second cooldown

but vet has 6 second (20% of 30 seconds) cdr on special kill with no cooldown

balance!

[unkempt olive]

Main dueling sword but I want a good secondary I don’t wanna use the revolver anymore.. any recommendations

[light badge]

never noticed how much detail there is on the arms before

like god damn, I have a mole

[hard nexus]

dont use dueling sword

(flamer)

[modern lintel]

i still havent tried psyker again since its tree change and dont know how to build their tree

[frosty herald]

Noticed that too recently

[unkempt olive]

Best sword in the game wym

[hard nexus]

try a flamer, agri braced auto, any of the shotguns

[hard nexus]

yah its OP as shit

[frosty herald]

Also another gauntlet tatoo user lmao

[hard nexus]

thats why i say dont use it

lmfao

[stable cypress]

its cringe

[placid fiber]

People saying a keystone is bad on zealot is funny

[unkempt olive]

I can’t stop

Literally can’t

[hard nexus]

its teaching u bad habits

[unkempt olive]

I will when new sword comes out tho

[frosty herald]

Flamer is worse

[unkempt olive]

prob

[frosty herald]

Flamer is so disgustingly strong

[hard nexus]

yeah but at least its not DS4

[placid fiber]

Flamer DS4 for monster racism!

[hollow dove]

Yeah sure it works, you don't need uncanny

[placid fiber]

Flamer for burgles, DS4 for all the rest

[wary finch]

I am going to do the funny and kick the hornets nest
https://youtu.be/5kZqM-39w3o?si=Iwlr6AmgtV2ro7fY

Watch this, skip to zealot talents and tell me if, how and why this guy is full of shit

[stable cypress]

no thanks

[hard nexus]

he is

so

ill tell u how

but

i already know he is

lmfoa

[wary finch]

Oh I already figured he's full o shit on a # of things

[lean cairn]

this the guy who said twinned blast is garbage on shredder grenades

[modern lintel]

true gamers get their shitty builds off gameslantern

[lean cairn]

the top zealot meta build uses flame grenades lmao

[placid fiber]

Gameslantern? I built my oggy build based on what I wanted... without anyone telling me what's good... and I somehow made a meta strength build lol

[hollow dove]

omg

[modern lintel]

holy

[frosty herald]

This is ass

[placid fiber]

Yeah lol

[lean cairn]

i want a comments section so i can call this guy a moron

also braced autogun over bolter

[placid fiber]

What's the next section?

[hard nexus]

hes actually mostly right, although i disagree on his take with sainted gunslinger

[placid fiber]

At least they fucking took duellist and twbs

[hard nexus]

sainted gunslinger can be fun and good

[frosty herald]

Legit why the fuck would you use immo nades when you could use a flamer

[lean cairn]

unlike mr e

[lean cairn]

or just wipe the screen with the 3000 horde clear weapons

[frosty herald]

Granted i used immo nades alot for area of denial

[hard nexus]

its just held back because it doesnt have duelist or until death

[frosty herald]

But cole suggested i path through stuns and i like them alot more

[placid fiber]

I would take stuns on more builds, probably, if I actually remembered to use them

[modern lintel]

gameslantern single handedly keeping the casual player in the darkages of builds

[stable cypress]

nah they do that well enough on their own too

[placid fiber]

Dark ages? Dude, they're not even at the bronze age yet

[hard nexus]

guys!

[wary finch]

I use to use firebombs a lot as a baby Z
Then I found out the knives were 10x better and never went back

Whatever on the stun nades

[hard nexus]

halfsword finally got gore added !

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-basket-ball-gif-27309240

[lean cairn]

meta build with corruption resistance

[distant lagoon]

the hell is burgles?

[hard nexus]

beasts of nurgle

[placid fiber]

beast of nurgle

[misty ravine]

Or better yet, sloptubers

[distant lagoon]

Who the fuck calls them that

[placid fiber]

bon bon/burgle/bon lol

[distant lagoon]

they are bon bons

[frosty herald]

What are these curios lmfao

[placid fiber]

I call them both

[timid temple]

is this a meme?

[wary finch]

Burgles...more like vore fetishists

[modern lintel]

wheres my halfsword power sword alt attack in darktide i need to be able to accidentally cut my hand off to get fancy bionics

[placid fiber]

the 1 good thing I can say about this is: at least it has 2 20% gunner resists...

[violet hornet]

this chat used to call them that exclusively but it flipped about a year ago for some reason

[frosty herald]

Oh no the "meta" builds on gameslantern are completely serious

[violet hornet]

trading places with Blessing of Nurgle for the burgle name

[placid fiber]

Yeah they are serious

THey just don't realize they're using copper and tin, while we're using modern weapons

[misty ravine]

Daemonic Bonbonbonbons

[timid temple]

i call them bonny

[frosty herald]

I just say beasts

[placid fiber]

(and clyde)

[light badge]

quite silly, innit?

[placid fiber]

but yeah... if you want the ultimate monster racism use: Dueling Sword/Thunder Hammer... + Flamer

[misty ravine]

I have a hard time adjusting to any class without tknives now tbh. I also seethe every time I play a class/build that uses grenades and actually has to scrounge for grenade boxes like a sucker

[placid fiber]

The 2 good things I can say about this knife are: Mobility is the dump stat and it has 25% unyielding...

[lean cairn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d9f3128-1508-4cb4-8bd5-29b09cfa6e1c/actual-zealot-meta-build

please like

[light badge]

unironically haymaker is good

[wary finch]

https://tenor.com/view/jeb-bush-please-clap-mocking-lol-clapping-gif-7921509

[light badge]

like, it's shit

[placid fiber]

Maybe for the club on oggy

[light badge]

compared to a lot of other blessings

but it's still funny

[placid fiber]

It's funny watching something drop dead lol

[light badge]

especially so because it applies to the push attack

[wary finch]

Fr

[frosty herald]

There are certainly some decisions

Your bolter is weird

[lean cairn]

i am not open for hearing dissenting opinions

[placid fiber]

Hey, it's better food than most shitty builds we see

[frosty herald]

Cause bodyshots on scabs oneshot

Even without flak

[lean cairn]

its used for mauler groups

[grand tangle]

Just grenade them

[placid fiber]

I probably could use the bolter with my ds4... but... bulwark racism...

<.<

[lean cairn]

true...

[frosty herald]

For what mode specifically

[lean cairn]

killing all the enemies mode

[placid fiber]

This is how I build my curios lol

[frosty herald]

Cause to me it just seems strange with the already high adm bolter has against flak

Even against mauler groups

[placid fiber]

And the 2 differences between mine and this are I use thrust instead of precog and I have mobility as the dump

I should really put precog on mine tho

[lean cairn]

by default without flak damage it doesnt 1 shot a scab gunner

i'll leave a disclaimer that they can pick something else

[placid fiber]

What I find the most funny is... unless I see several bulwarks or a beast of nurgle... I usually just use my ds4 for everything

and throwing knives

Sometimes I barely use more than 1 mag of my flamer for normal intensity missions

Man... I wanna play but I'm not awake yet

[tired plover]

I do the exact same, is this considered meta? I wanna be as sweaty as possible for auric damnation

[placid fiber]

The only real difference is the 3rd it is kinda suggested that you take a sniper resist instead of a gunner resist

I just do all 3 the same tho

that or a sniper instead of a hp

Unless you are running push attack weapons

then you want stamina regen

[dense field]

Without Blazing Pite you only have like 35% crit chance. Might be better to swap uncanny for riposte.
Health on curios is kinda mid. Damage resistance is mid too. Cooldown reduction, stam regen, and toughness on all 3 curios would most likely be better. Revive speed x3 is good for pub quickplays too, it really does make a difference.

[hollow dove]

i mean telopots runs rampage precog and dueling sword is still insanely busted

[dense field]

The skill tree is good

[placid fiber]

Really... you're gonna say that gunner resist is mid lol

[dense field]

telo runs some other mark too

[fleet zealot]

why retributor's vs inebriates (inexorable keystone extensions)

[lean cairn]

damage resistance is not mid, cooldown reduction makes little difference

[fleet zealot]

telepots

[hollow dove]

he runs both d4 and d5 iirc

[dense field]

yes

[fleet zealot]

any DT youtuber

[placid fiber]

So you're gonna say that resistance to one of the most common elites is mid

[fleet zealot]

cooldown reduction makes NO difference

[placid fiber]

^

[fleet zealot]

ngl

if you have not 1 both 2 sources of cdr

[dense field]

Oh right, that's a good question

[fleet zealot]

you are looking at less than a third of a second off your cooldown

0.3 if that with both backstab and crit cdr

[dense field]

Zealots are already blessed with tons of DR.

[hollow dove]

only one stamina regen? I run it 3x instead of health

[fleet zealot]

not HP DR

[frosty herald]

revive speed is usless if you have an actual good team

[fleet zealot]

and gunner resistance works for both HP and toughness

[hollow dove]

altho you might be right idk

[fleet zealot]

stam regen is good, especially if you are using PA often

[dense field]

good balance & stalwart

[hollow dove]

Yes it is

[lean cairn]

i dont find myself needing stam regen very often especially with ds

[hollow dove]

but i run it thrice

[fleet zealot]

stalwart is toughness DR unless the tooltip is wrong and it's currently bugged then

[placid fiber]

The only build I can see cdr as somewhat useful(ish) is on marty

[fleet zealot]

it's good balance basically the only one taken

[frosty herald]

toughness DR

[hollow dove]

yeah fair

[distant lagoon]

What ranged you prefer to pair up with thammer?

[fleet zealot]

sure there is shield of contempt but the CD competes with 3 other party members

[hollow dove]

i primarily run knife nowadays so i need all the stam regen

[frosty herald]

bolter flamer

[lean cairn]

a different melee weapon

[fleet zealot]

throwing knives and flamer, shotguns,

[dense field]

You're right, it's
stat buff: toughness_damage_taken_multiplier

[placid fiber]

It's funny watching people try to say the better options aren't good

[tired plover]

also, can someone explain if I'm missing something, why are blades of faith considered meta? 🤔
tried it a couple of times and I find them weak af compared to the nades

[frosty herald]

theyre the best path option for builds

[fleet zealot]

best pathing, oneshots all the specialists and low tier elites on a headshot, near infinite supply from playing the game

[frosty herald]

and oneshot specialists on headshot

[fleet zealot]

synergizes with manstopper and uncanny strike which are two of the most impactful blessings in the game

[frosty herald]

you also get a knife from a specilist/elite kill

[wary finch]

Getting that thammer with perf stata

[hollow dove]

Almost all the talents before the throwing knifes itself are just very good so you don't lose any talent points trying to get another nade. Also it oneshots pretty much everything that isn't ogryn sized or a mauler on headshot

[wary finch]

https://tenor.com/view/triple-h-sledgehammer-wwe-wrestling-wrestle-mania-gif-8182607

[placid fiber]

They are gained on elite kills/ammo picks ups, 1 shot specialists on headshot and some elites on heashot, they are versatile, you can snipe enemies with them

[frosty herald]

im replacing my hammer asap with greatsword lmao

[fleet zealot]

iirc can't it oneshot a crusher with max uncanny stacks and some other buffs or am I hallucinating

[hollow dove]

maybe idk i didn't test it, i dont run uncanny

[placid fiber]

Oh and it uses blessings on the weapon you have equipped ^

[frosty herald]

no one tries to headshot knife a crusher seriusly

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-time-to-meme-gif-19045013

[hollow dove]

I run this rn with knife mk3 riposte precog

[placid fiber]

Nice

[hollow dove]

i'd rather run chastise but i'm farming penance rn

[dense field]

yeah that detour is pain

[placid fiber]

What's funny is from holy rev and twbs... it only takes 1 extra talent point to use benediction instead of loner... AND it comes with the bonus of a +15 toughness node

not even mentioning the tdr on benediction

[merry flume]

it gets pretty close and you can delete armored packs of enemies with it

usually a heavy + bleed + max uncanny knife will kill it with no more input

but i think it's more based on whether you hit a crit at all in that chain

[modern lintel]

so true

[placid fiber]

I'm probably gonna use the greatsword a lot even if it is mid

[hollow dove]

i wanna see how far the special lunges

the way they described it in the blog post made it sound like it's a big knife

which is good

[fleet zealot]

it's not 2 handed chain axe

so i'm not oging to use it /j

[dense field]

knife good
big knife big good

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[dense field]

simple as

[hollow dove]

facts

[modern lintel]

sword is considered big knife you say

[frosty herald]

hopefully cole made it so chastice synergizes with the heavy sprint stab

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-pepehmm-table-council-gif-16396395487368552941

[modern lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/579936964833312776/1302934264677011467/RDT_20241104_1053541002667882098393413.gif

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/as-shrimple-as-that-shrimp-shrimple-simple-as-simple-as-that-gif-25854313

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-krilled-pun-sea-pun-ocean-pun-gif-26942293

[hollow dove]

I just ran a run and this vet started complaining about knife zealot right when we launched the game

then I ended the game with total score 180, 600k damage dealt and top elites and disablers killed

he also died at the first pack of elites

must suck to suck

[placid fiber]

Yep lol

[hollow dove]

he also complained about shroudfield, little did he know shroudfield got him ressed like 4 times

[placid fiber]

I might look at the weapons the other players have, but, I'm more focused on my own performance

That and I also expect nothing from randos

[hollow dove]

Only thing I expect from randos is to know the way through the map

if they do that we're good

[placid fiber]

Wow, that's a close up of a walrus

[distant lagoon]

bruh

what

t-hammer is great

[placid fiber]

I don't even expect that lol

that's how many terrible randos I've met

[hollow dove]

hate it when you cant just start some of the finales without all the people being there

[distant lagoon]

people in auric way more compitent on average

[hollow dove]

and you end up just waiting 3 minutes because some level 20 pablo can't find the way

[distant lagoon]

although they still have weird aversion to raising downed people

[timber hound]

I returned yesterday, and looking at my Zealot weapons, are these OK to empower?

[placid fiber]

I don't play aurics much cause I don't find it fun to have to hard carry 3 randos in them

[hollow dove]

my winrate on auric > winrate on dmn > winrate on diff 4

difficulty 4 lobbies are genuinely harder

because people dont even know their left hand from their right

[distant lagoon]

bruh

[fleet zealot]

crusher maul has access to slaughter now so you can ditch hammer blow, and the new system lets you get perfect stat spread weapons easily

[distant lagoon]

so this

[fleet zealot]

so those will do for now but i wouldn't empower them

just, buy whites from brunts until you get a perfect potential weapon

[timber hound]

the double shotgun is sitting at 490, it seems empower-able? but I agree, the hammer is only 460

[light badge]

sometimes I wish we were capable of binding any one voiceline to a key

[dense field]

I bet he still thinks he died because you dropped agro on his ass by stealthing

[placid fiber]

wrong one

[light badge]

mainly because I want to shout 'LARGE AND SMELLY' at more things than just a plague ogryn spawn

[hollow dove]

fr fr

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/quebrador-del-pueblo-tevez-mala-gif-12738810

[misty ravine]

Vacuum Capsule!

[light badge]

Cryonic rod

[acoustic dune]

ey ey moggers

rizzing hard?

or gyatting?

[fleet zealot]

not really

best to save mats

[light badge]

https://tenor.com/view/bonnie’s-big-gift-gif-1122545394595754766

[fleet zealot]

until you get perfect potential weapons

[hollow dove]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-looksmaxxing-gif-5707685746847463113

[fleet zealot]

since it's that easy now

[placid fiber]

I can handle the stress of hard carrying normal heresy and damnation better than I can a high shock gauntlet damnation

[distant lagoon]

wtf are these random ass gifs

[acoustic dune]

random?

[hollow dove]

You dont really look at that gearscore number, all that matters is the base stats. And those aren't ideal rn so I'd just roll brunts and save your mats

[sour oxide]

ass?

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-deployed-alien-cat-gif-10264569409756179931

[hollow dove]

https://tenor.com/view/what-if-100of-our-brain-thumbs-up-drinking-gif-17883054

[placid fiber]

If I have full randos... I just don't want to put that much stress on myself if I can help it

[timber hound]

so for the double barrel shotgun you want everything near 80 except for mobility right?

[sour oxide]

boo give me aLl tHE sTreSS

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-krill-mode-mode-going-gif-25633481

[sour oxide]

I wanna feel it in my subconcious

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/its-shrimple-shrimp-funny-haha-meme-gif-9312733212572166512

[distant lagoon]

Ogryn mains, clearly

[sour oxide]

I want generational stress

[placid fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/943509112258428958/1158715171011825694/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif?ex=651d4118&is=651bef98&hm=c289f5435c2f6b157c51a5e652d7e23fdba73372b8890c2c39c9174eef53dd8b&

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

[distant lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/rotate-get-rotated-jellyfish-jellyfish-rotate-water-donut-gif-27565234

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-gif-2344071593813059019

[hollow dove]

https://tenor.com/view/africa-idiot-funny-gif-21515610

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/tgwtg-that-guy-with-the-glasses-doug-walker-point-computer-gif-17022655

truly this is

dark

tide

[placid fiber]

Funny thing is... normal heresy and damnation are less stressful on my ogryn due to how solid I make my builds... even my gunlugger build which has to light attack melee hordes to death

[acoustic dune]

speedy light on ogryn>

you lie

[placid fiber]

Speedy? The only "fast" ogryn light attack is the fucking mk4 knife stab lol

[fleet zealot]

how about random images

[hollow dove]

its so nice to have a good ogryn player in my games

[acoustic dune]

sure lemme go get it

[hollow dove]

but i hate playing ogryn so much

[acoustic dune]

i need to finish this

one day

also this

also do a bottom surgey on tintin

[hollow dove]

https://tenor.com/view/neck-gif-24733037

[acoustic dune]

@placid fiber look phil iz you

[placid fiber]

Sweet! Have some missiles!

[acoustic dune]

i miss my brush

[grand tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/guts-drip-gif-24604468

[acoustic dune]

@sullen forge

i found this in my folder

[flat iris]

curio stat recs for zealot?

[acoustic dune]

depend really

people really dont recommend curio stam

but i run mine with sprint efficienct; stam regen; reduce cooldown

[flat iris]

oo i see

i see reddit forums talk abt hp

but they're old and idk if relevant

[acoustic dune]

reddit stinky

dont trust them

[flat iris]

cos ima noob so im not rlly sure what im getting myself into

[acoustic dune]

trust us stinky chad gamer

zealot

[sour oxide]

I run 3x stam +3 stam regen tough regen and gunner resist

[acoustic dune]

freak priest if you will

[wary finch]

https://tenor.com/view/manlet-speech-bubble-bobcat-gif-25293164

[weak cypress]

uncanny/mercy + crit chance/flak on knife ya?

[sour oxide]

Are you piety or IJ?

[acoustic dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847815813300879360/1276072753488855171/smileybeef_-_1824476702992376093.gif

[weak cypress]

piety

[placid fiber]

Toughness for survival, stamina for damage, wounds for martyrdom

[fleet zealot]

no crit chance, no mercy

get precog or riposte instead of mercy

[flat iris]

is hp not a good idea?

[placid fiber]

For newer players I would recommend toughness tho

[acoustic dune]

push attack my beloved

[fleet zealot]

or go precog+riposte and drop uncanny since you have piety

[sour oxide]

nope you want to focus on not getting hit

[placid fiber]

Toughness helps you avoid health damage

[acoustic dune]

or the classic

[fleet zealot]

hp 5% perks are okay, but for major curio slots, toughness all the way

there is like, only one way to go HP stacking and it's offmeta asf

[acoustic dune]

this

[sour oxide]

Probably for new players I would suggest 2 toughness 1 stamina.

[fleet zealot]

everyone gets chipped trauma

[sour oxide]

why dump the most important stat?

[weak cypress]

60 dmg what the

[fleet zealot]

it's a meme

knify wolf is memeing

[acoustic dune]

yeah

[placid fiber]

Mobility?

[light badge]

got some new binds

[sour oxide]

naw pen is the dump on knife if you have uncanny

[weak cypress]

i was thinking this guy knows some secret zealot discord tech

[acoustic dune]

but the actual one i am using can be considered worse

[placid fiber]

For knife you want mobility dumped, generally speaking. With Uncanny + precognition for Inexorable Judgement or Precognition + Riposte for blazing piety

[acoustic dune]

shit i gotta go screen shot it

hang on

[sour oxide]

if you have uncanny you don't want to dump mobility you only lose 1 dmg from dumping pen

[placid fiber]

That's why I said generally speaking, since I was applying the same knife to both inexorable and piety

[sour oxide]

meh piety knife still makes zero sense to me. overcritting missing out on damage potential

[violet hornet]

Had a teammate wake a dh in the match I just did, then left before it killed them so it went to take out another teammate. The next one did the same, and it went after me

[violet hornet]

gotta love auric pubs

[acoustic dune]

heres my actual knife

[modern lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/im-come-you-gif-18197944984816523843

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/sgarg-gif-20515458

but seriously

[fleet zealot]

there isn't overcritting

[acoustic dune]

thats the knife i use for a crit build

[fleet zealot]

riposte+scourge+ piety will get you 95% and that's only for going down piety's right path

[sour oxide]

if you are over 100% crit then you are.

[acoustic dune]

you cant actually hit 100% crit

[fleet zealot]

then you slap on precog, with duelist, is plenty of damage

[pure ginkgo]

does full bore trigger when firing agripinaa slugs?

[acoustic dune]

ph yeah

[placid fiber]

Can any weapon even reach over 100% crit chance, without surgical?

[fleet zealot]

over critting issue is like, when people run bloodthirsty on a piety evi

or shit like that

[acoustic dune]

it absolutely slap @pure ginkgo

its a fucking sniper

[fleet zealot]

knife can get to 100% but you give up a perk for it which is never worth it

[placid fiber]

That's why I said over

[fleet zealot]

yea

[modern lintel]

i was able to hit like 70 average crit or something on vet once

[acoustic dune]

2 shot bulkward

[fleet zealot]

any weapon with bloodthirsty

technically goes over 100%

[sour oxide]

I can run 70% crit but had 15% attack speed and damage

[pure ginkgo]

yea regular slugs already rip most targets. good to know, ty!

[acoustic dune]

stagger all eneny

[fleet zealot]

but it doesn't do anything past 100%

[placid fiber]

What about without blessings that gives you up to 100% crit?

[acoustic dune]

try it on vet

its pretty fun

sadly no scope

[fleet zealot]

knife can't go over 100% crit and you get 30% attack speed already from fotf 20% and 10% melee attack speed

[south folio]

riposte + smackdown 🙂

[fleet zealot]

idk

[sour oxide]

if you spam it. id rather just have it up always lol

[placid fiber]

they just explained 95% crit chance is the max for the knife without a 5% crit chance perk on zealot without smackdown

[pure ginkgo]

got a suggestion for 2nd blessing? was using flechette on zealot but regardless of class

[south folio]

you can go over with smackdown on top of riposte

[acoustic dune]

you can hit 100% if only theres a psycher with that 5 crit aura is with you

[fleet zealot]

yea but smackdown is ass

[acoustic dune]

lemme check

[placid fiber]

I fixed it lol

[south folio]

the smack is down

[south folio]

smh

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/tryan-trying-tryan-meme-tyran-tryan-memecoin-gif-8659835552010244660

[fleet zealot]

having more crit chance is good on knife, it's the only weapon I really think 95% crit chance build is competitive with the IJ build (but less crit chance)

because of it's ridic high finesse

and the finesse bonuses (precog+ duelist)

[acoustic dune]

@pure ginkgo

[fleet zealot]

meaning critting more often gives you the full value on the crit side of finesse

[placid fiber]

The one mk of shotgun that can make good use of full bore at all times lol

[acoustic dune]

or

[weak cypress]

ok 1 more knife question; whats the go to combo for horde clear/single target dmg for crushers or bosses etc

idk if i can trust reddit

[pure ginkgo]

ty ty

[placid fiber]

Heavy 1 heavy 2 for the mk6 or push attack into heavy 2 (rinse and repeat) or heavy 1 heavy 2 light light for hordes

[acoustic dune]

@pure ginkgo fire frenzy also work

[pure ginkgo]

I assume you take carapace specifically for slugs?

[sour oxide]

also you can have an FOTF spam while still running IJ on a dagger without piety.,

[acoustic dune]

if you want a actual sniper

[pure ginkgo]

cutie

[distant lagoon]

Why ogryn players are so god damned stupid most of the time?

[weak cypress]

dont like mk3?

[dusky prism]

hello whats the way to try and get just a flesh wound please

[acoustic dune]

thats a minor

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fbi-fbi-open-up-gif-293416153668306594

[placid fiber]

I hate the mk3 myself, but, I also don't know all the mk3's horde clear combos

[pure ginkgo]

rp

[misty ravine]

Bone 'Ead implant actin up

[pure ginkgo]

fbi car is parked outside my apartment

[acoustic dune]

or this

[sour oxide]

mk3 is ok for hordes. mk6 is better. its just light spams really.

[placid fiber]

Wow... an albino kangaroo...

[fleet zealot]

shaved rat

[acoustic dune]

yeah 2 shot crusher

[placid fiber]

That's not a rat, it's a bumble bee

[sour oxide]

but horde clear really isn't ur job as a knife zealot. yes you should help with them but you really should be head hunting specials

[fleet zealot]

no second wind 😔

[acoustic dune]

and 4 shot the big boy crusher

[placid fiber]

No second wind either lol

[sour oxide]

yeah just don't get hit?

lol

[fleet zealot]

i meant second wind

actually

[modern lintel]

me when my work schedules me for 92 hours next week time to kms

[fleet zealot]

thanks for correcting me i'm eepy

trauma never ever gets hit by anything ever

[placid fiber]

I mean both statements were right lol

[fleet zealot]

not even a stalker volley clipping him on the 1st or 3rd shot

[sour oxide]

get hit all the time but avoiding damage is better.

and besides you have FOTF spam for 1/2 toughness bar on tap

[dusky prism]

how do i do just a flesh wound?

[placid fiber]

Awww look at da sweepy wittle grasshopper!

[fleet zealot]

like why are you taking holy revenant

you don't get hit right?

[hollow dove]

Yall still run +3 stam curio with dueling sword?

[fleet zealot]

twbs, things can't stun you if you don't ever get hit

[placid fiber]

ikr?

[sour oxide]

2 tough one stam

[fleet zealot]

nah not really

it's nice tho

[hollow dove]

i never really PA on dueling sword so idk if i should

[sour oxide]

youre the one saying I don't get hit. so you tell me. I said I do get hit.

[acoustic dune]

easiest? get a team do the karnak twin

[fleet zealot]

PA on mk4 has more cleave than a light

[acoustic dune]

get damage first

[fleet zealot]

and can proc rampage vs 3 bruisers

[acoustic dune]

wait for like 3 min

[fleet zealot]

tho rampage isn't that good of a blessing

[acoustic dune]

and the rest is on you

[sour oxide]

yes and? does that say "I don't get hit"

[dusky prism]

anyone wanna try and help would be greatly love the help

[fleet zealot]

this will be evergreen

[fleet zealot]

why you taking hr

[placid fiber]

Yes:

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

too tired

sorry lad

[dusky prism]

np

[sour oxide]

lol reading comprehension is not strong today

[acoustic dune]

go ask in the lfg chat

[weak cypress]

mk3 knife or mk6........

conundrum

[sour oxide]

mk3 = armor single target

[hollow dove]

I always play 3

[sour oxide]

mk6 still can do armor not as good as 3 but can do hordes better

[placid fiber]

Maybe not, but, this has "I, don't, get, and hit" all in it in a row

[sour oxide]

I can actually hear your last two brain cells fighting for oxygen on this one

[wispy kelp]

looking for 2 more to help with 'just a flesh wound' penance (strike team 7)

[sour oxide]

lol

[wary finch]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[rocky nacelle]

bandit try not to get petty/tilted/be pedantic challenge

impossible

[fleet zealot]

the middle one isn't true

i am very much enjoying my time

also DPW is right there lol

[limber trellis]

I just played a mission with you yesterday and you only got hit once during a segment where i almost died and the other 2 did die

[rocky nacelle]

both of you are being pedantic and stupid

lol

[placid fiber]

I mean there's also this :3

[fleet zealot]

idk it's pretty stupid arguement to go "just don't get hit" as a reason not to take second wind

[sour oxide]

hehe heya ash long time!

[fleet zealot]

because then everyone can apply it to every other defensive you take

[rocky nacelle]

its a two way street of stupidity

dont get me wrong

[limber trellis]

🥰

[rocky nacelle]

but id just ignore it and move on

how many times have people said "dont get hit"

[fleet zealot]

paradise you aren't some enlightened angel above us, you are a zealot chatter too

[rocky nacelle]

yes cause im acting like that bandit im just tired of everyone being stupid and pedantic 24/7

but cant go wanting that

[sour oxide]

That is the goal of the game more or less @rocky nacelle

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao w/e you got it

[fleet zealot]

[sour oxide]

unless ur one of those martyrs

[fleet zealot]

brave crusader

[placid fiber]

I love doing a wee bit of trolling

[fleet zealot]

banter is illegal, we cannot joke, we cannot be unserious

[wary finch]

Zealot asmr
24 hr hymn whispering with the sounds of chainswords revving in the distance

[fleet zealot]

we must be 100% serious but also not too serious

so people don't get upset

at our rude elitist behavior

🫡

[rocky nacelle]

kek

[sour oxide]

youre fired

[rocky nacelle]

i definitely said all that

[placid fiber]

Of course: We must be the perfect inbetween of serious and not serious

[fleet zealot]

you didn't

[placid fiber]

Dibs

[fleet zealot]

in fact i never said "that is what you said exactly, you said exactly you don't get hit"

[sour oxide]

zealot has always been the one class that no one agrees about anything like all damage only classes in every game.

since ultimately it boils down to play style

[rocky nacelle]

battle of egos and autism

[fleet zealot]

i cannot make the connection from "Just don't get hit" in a response to why not take second wind and turn it around "as oh yea, you must never get hit"

[rocky nacelle]

like all pve damage classes

like hunter D2

[sour oxide]

more of the latter

[placid fiber]

"You gotta do this for optimal dps"
"No that sucks, do this"
"fuck both of you, this is how you do it"
etc etc

[undone plover]

So should I get hit?

[placid fiber]

Yesn't

[fleet zealot]

you should get hit on by women

[sour oxide]

if your a martyr

[fleet zealot]

or men

[sour oxide]

stand in a barrel

then dont get hit

[fleet zealot]

god emperor loves you no matter which way you swing

🥁

[placid fiber]

I choose to swing inside out

[fleet zealot]

you should avoid it, but there is realistically some chip damage you will take

[placid fiber]

^

[sour oxide]

yup and gunner resist is king nowadays

[placid fiber]

Trying to avoid all damage is the goal you strive for. You will never fully achieve it, but, it is what you want to try to do

[misty ravine]

Play Martyrdom and then immediately eat an overhead from the first crusher or mauler you see, for maximum buff uptime. Definitely do this

[sour oxide]

maybe I should have said don't get hit in melee

[placid fiber]

Even if you take 0 health damage you still took toughness damage

[undone plover]

It was a joke question but thanks

[wary finch]

So much bickering and indecision that it'll give you whiplash.
Just like any other all damage only class group

[sour oxide]

if you do take damage, make sure its fall damage. thats the good stuff

[fleet zealot]

sorry, paradise is right, i'm too autistic

[rocky nacelle]

its true

stay out of my havocs

[placid fiber]

Aww man, I thought it was team damage that was the goated one...

[sour oxide]

oooo barrel damage

close second

[fleet zealot]

yea cause i'll be at 40 while you at 20 /j

[misty ravine]

I too am acoustic

[rocky nacelle]

not with chaxe dodges

[placid fiber]

Yeah, I get the 2 mixed up at times

[rocky nacelle]

🕵️

[placid fiber]

[sullen forge]

Hey you forgot the important thing about the DPS PVE mindset

[fleet zealot]

10% dodge buff and IJ

ez

[sullen forge]

Hate every other class to an extreme amount

[misty ravine]

Muh Charts?

[rocky nacelle]

they'll surely nerf it again

[sullen forge]

Cause it’s not your class

[rocky nacelle]

and re work ogryn/vet

[sour oxide]

someone say smykers?

[fleet zealot]

i think that's not possible, nearly every zealot player here multiclasses

[undone plover]

What if I main everyone?

[placid fiber]

I'm still coping that the autopistol will get a buff lol

[fleet zealot]

i only know a few mono zealots

[rocky nacelle]

if you can only play zealot

[fleet zealot]

we complain about other classes, but we also complain about our class

[rocky nacelle]

24/7

props

cause i dont know how you could solo main anyone in this game

[sour oxide]

feels attacked

[misty ravine]

Then you main no one

[rocky nacelle]

without it getting stale

[placid fiber]

We complain about everything under the sun here, pretty much lol

[fleet zealot]

autopistol forgotten again is on my bingo card

[sour oxide]

but hey I got an 80 psyker and ogryn

[fleet zealot]

we must unite under the banner of, complain about complainers

[placid fiber]

That's the only guarantee in life lol

[fleet zealot]

this will make us look extremely intelligent and above it all

[placid fiber]

Which will then make us argue again about being too elitist

[polar nexus]

Havoc sounds like too much work to maintain honestly

[fleet zealot]

doesn't look like it, 1 game a week

to maintain?

[rocky nacelle]

something like that

[undone plover]

Anyway what guns do you guys use? Cause it's hard for me to get off of revolver for zealot

[rocky nacelle]

just dont let yourself auto decay

seems simple enough

[misty ravine]

Bistol :DDDD

[sour oxide]

revolver i guess you could sub bistol

[fleet zealot]

bolt pistol, agri brauto, mk3 vanguard autogun, las pistol, vraks infantry auto gun, flamer

not really feeling the shotguns on zealot currently

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-the-undiscovered-country-general-chang-cry-havoc-and-let-slip-the-dogs-of-war-gif-13179818320828021602

[placid fiber]

As long as you aren't choosing the autopistol, you're probably going to do alright lol

[sour oxide]

but its like going from coke to diet coke.

[misty ravine]

What's a vanguard autogun? Sounds like some kind of Recon Autogun, which would be baller

[fleet zealot]

ohh is it vigilants

i forgot

sorry

[placid fiber]

vigilant are the headhunters

[fleet zealot]

vigilant autoguns

[dense field]

Bolter
I'm boring

[fleet zealot]

the mk3

oh yea bolter can work as well

[sour oxide]

its just so slow reloading =T

[heady frost]

are they changing names of all of those just to fuck with people and their already written builds or is there a good reason for it?

[sour oxide]

they changed trauma because I demanded it

[misty ravine]

I will also mention that Throwing Knives (already the meta option) are almost mandatory for animation cancelling Bolter/Flamer draw so you don't take 5 business days to switch to it

[sour oxide]

but I need my throwing knives.....how am I going to throw 5 warning knives and one that actually hits if I am using knives to pull my bolter out

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[rocky nacelle]

actually a fantastic question

[misty ravine]

not killing 6+ elites/specials between each use of your actual ranged weapon
NGMI

[rocky nacelle]

imagine if fart shirt didnt even remember the names of their own weapon changes

(it wouldnt surprise me)

[fleet zealot]

they have

multiple times

since the update

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/war-gif-22599122

then why change it

genius

[fleet zealot]

i think it's a GW thing

[rocky nacelle]

yknow

thats a good bet

[fleet zealot]

that's the only explanation

[south folio]

could've also not been their choice for reasons that you can imagine

[placid fiber]

I wonder if they're gonna make the ogryns more op or less op lol

[fleet zealot]

that isn't completely insane

[rocky nacelle]

copium

[fleet zealot]

BUFF TO SMYKER

[rocky nacelle]

we hope its GW and them not being insane

[placid fiber]

"Smite now does 5x the damage, before enhanced smite"

"And 300% more damage to monsters on top of that"

[misty ravine]

"EP now gains charges on special kills, but only when used with Smite"

[north sedge]

They should play musical chairs with weapon names each major update to just liven things up

[placid fiber]

"And smite now has a 5% chance per tick to instantly kill all non-monster enemies"

[distant lagoon]

Bruh

Agile engagements Vet with plasma is so ridicilous

[misty ravine]

"Spearhead Boltgun replaced with Primaris Auto Bolt Rifle for the next 20 minutes"

[placid fiber]

Isn't plasma vet ridiculous to begin with...?

[distant lagoon]

well as you can see, i did with just melee more damage thgan some of other players in the lobby...

[placid fiber]

Now do more ranged and melee damage than both the gunlugger and heavy hitter ogryns with that lol

Tho what's funny is I did do more melee damage with my light attacking shovel than the melee ogryn did, on my gunlugger

I love melting daemonhosts with the gunlugger... but... I really don't like taking it to damnation since I consider it to be a meme build, for me as a player

[distant lagoon]

bruh

i don't even remember what normal damnation is

i only play auric

[placid fiber]

I just play to have fun, myself, and unless I'm playing with at least 1 non-rando then I don't do aurics since auric isn't fun for me with 3 randos

[distant lagoon]

skissue

[placid fiber]

Call it what you will

[heady frost]

git gud enough to experience epic 2vX scenarios

butt clenching ones

[distant lagoon]

lmao that ogryn

[placid fiber]

Doomgryn

[bitter charm]

I don't think there's a difficulty in this game currently that's really very hard. Although Havoc definitely has the potential to change all that. I'm very excited for it

[hard nexus]

true duos without any of the OP weapons

that’s difficult

[bitter charm]

Sure, but that is a player created difficulty. That's more of an imposed restriction than a game difficulty

But I agree that is an actual hard challenge

[hard nexus]

i get what you mean but using weapons like ds4, knife, rashad, etc

all just trivialize the game

[bitter charm]

Agree

[modern lintel]

duos but you can only use smite

[bitter charm]

DSiv needs nerfs

[hard nexus]

it’s why i main the mk3 evis

[opal star]

first mission to take 5 hours

[bitter charm]

I don't play weapons that are blatantly imbalanced as it's just not fun for me

[bitter charm]

A person of culture

[opal star]

throwing knife only

[hard nexus]

troo

i used ds4 yesterday when i was helping a few people with twins hard mode

and it’s just so absurdly OP

lmfao

[bitter charm]

Yup

[hard nexus]

i don’t ever use it

that was my first time using it on zealot lmfao

[sullen forge]

Watch as relic blade becomes the new absurdly overpowered melee

[bitter charm]

Uncanny and agile are so busted as blessings

[hard nexus]

at least relic blade is actually a 40k weapon

instead of

generic sword

[bitter charm]

It won't be

[hard nexus]

or knife

[hard nexus]

they aren’t

uncanny is

but uncanny isn’t what makes the ds4 OP

[sullen forge]

This is zealot chat we aren’t going to give it a pass

If it’s on par with Rashad

[hard nexus]

it’s the damage scaling with finesse, on top of zealot’s finesse buffs

[rocky nacelle]

I hope new swords are broken so i can see people bitch about it

[sullen forge]

We’ll bully people out of using it

[hard nexus]

and precog

[rocky nacelle]

then i'll complain about it months later

[hard nexus]

and agile is meh

[sullen forge]

Zealot chat moment

[rocky nacelle]

unless they add an inferior mark

[light badge]

agile is extremely meh

[rocky nacelle]

which would be sick

[bitter charm]

Infinite dodge isn't meh imo. It's pretty damn strong

[rocky nacelle]

i dont complain about op shit cause everyone has the same things to say about it

[south folio]

it'll be premades at least so party members can coordinate to not use the OP stuff

[rocky nacelle]

so i just let people do it for me

[misty ravine]

I remember in Deathwatch you had to be a really famous and heroic Space Marine before anyone would consider giving you a Relic Blade. Maybe now we can hear a little less from Reddit about how we're expendable Rejects and that's why we can't have QoL features [/rant]

[south folio]

with the current balance of things and the outliers that exist, you do have to gimp yourself a bit for difficulty

[opal star]

isn't fussing about stuff being op kinda dumb in a co-op game-

[hard nexus]

why dodge infinitely when you can just kill your enemy faster

also just manage ur dodges lol

[south folio]

just that havoc will make it so that you have to gimp yourself less

[copper hawk]

Agile is kinda Meh compared to precog/Uncan/thrust

Like totally Meh

[hard nexus]

uncan

recan

[light badge]

skin

[hard nexus]

twocan

[copper hawk]

U wait half a second and it resets

U have effectively 9 dodges already :p

[misty ravine]

Not when things get to the point that it makes the highest difficulties easy, or you only ever see the same loadouts, or that the weaker stuff is left so far behind that it feels bad to play

[rocky nacelle]

to all ds4/bolter users

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j8N7t7Ab8vqmOmF5t?invite=cr-MSxsblQsMzAyNTAyNTYyLA

[copper hawk]

The inefficient dodges are better than some normal dodges on other weapons

[modern lintel]

cica has fallen to a meta slave

[bitter charm]

Damage is redundant after a point when you are one or two shotting everything. And as you said, manage your dodges. That's something the player has to do. Agility just turns that off. Same way uncanny turns off armour

[copper hawk]

I dont use the ds4

Cuz it's evil

[south folio]

in addition to what other people have said, it does feel bad to have to intentionally gimp yourself and to avoid taking weapons too much for a challenge

[modern lintel]

u r literally evil tho

[bitter charm]

Big agree

[misty ravine]

DS2 chuds rise up

[copper hawk]

I have sworn off it

Ill use the ds5 sometimes

[modern lintel]

self proclaimed evil even

[copper hawk]

But it's still broken

[opal star]

maybe it's because my buffing mentality comes from Helldivers 2 but wouldn't it be better to buff the enemies and poorly-performing weapons then

[hard nexus]

managing dodges is extremely easy on ds4 due to the very long dodge distance, and the force stagger on special

precog/thrust/shred/riposte

[sullen forge]

DS4/Flamers as well

[hard nexus]

all let you deal significantly more damage

[south folio]

sure, but we should also not avoid nerfs and knock down outliers

[hard nexus]

so you can one shot everything

[south folio]

buff outliers that perform worse and nerf outliers that perform better

[hard nexus]

agile is not meta

agile can be fun, but it’s nowhere near meta lol

[south folio]

there's no reason to just avoid buffs/nerfs for no reason other than some weird philosophy

[serene peak]

This is a game with 3 other players, if you are consistently strong enough to clear the entire content alone then why make it coop in the first place? This is why powercreep is bad

[hard nexus]

no

[rocky nacelle]

I used ds4 flamer now its ds2 flamer and honestly im probably about to just go DS2 double barrel

ds2 double barrel sounds fun but

zealot is staler than an open bag of chips

rn

[bitter charm]

I never said agile was meta I said it was problematic and I stand by that. I hate stuff in games that turns off mechanics

[copper hawk]

The balance in the game is so horrifically broken

[misty ravine]

I got the opposite from Helldivers 2, they buffed the shit out of everything until the game got boring. They also buffed everything poorly e.g. making the Recoiless Rifle so strong it ticked all three boxes mentioned earlier

[copper hawk]

Just buff the bad weapons up

It's unfixable

[bitter charm]

And havoc is 2 days away. Meta will change

[copper hawk]

And some of the biggest issues are untouchable because they're all unique to veteran

[sullen forge]

It won’t 🚬

[modern lintel]

also the other day you were thinking the ds2 light were better idk if you ever tested it but i was using it in test a little and they do like 10 more dmg the other ones lights @rocky nacelle

[rocky nacelle]

thats why

I knew ds2 lights were better for SOME reason

[opal star]

then we gotta delete veteran I fear

[rocky nacelle]

than ds4

[south folio]

a lot of balance stuff can be fixed by number tweaks which is a good thing rather than some major fundamental flaw in the combat and whatnot

[hard nexus]

i wouldn’t complain

[bitter charm]

Hey @south folio @modern lintel u think the meta will change for havoc?

[sullen forge]

Permanently ban all veteran players

[south folio]

as the law, i mandate that it will change

[rocky nacelle]

ds2 lights and H2 are sex

[hard nexus]

aside from the new weapons, no

[modern lintel]

but the ds5 has like a 230 strike down light on third but so theirs that

[sullen forge]

IP ban them

[blissful frigate]

make veteran the only class, delete all other characters

[opal star]

fair

[rocky nacelle]

wtf thats crazy

[serene peak]

No because then you have release charger Helldivers which literally everyone hated. Buffing enemies is usually 95% of the time stat check increases. Something having a trillion hp because you do a billion dmg isnt fun, it's boring

[blissful frigate]

4x vet squads like the game was meant to be

[misty ravine]

DS2 Light -> Heavy cycle also reminds me a little of the BretSword

[copper hawk]

Yah from the ppl who ive spoken to say it's gonna be diff

[rocky nacelle]

and have them all wipe/die horrible deaths like the 40K Cinematics

canon

[copper hawk]

Due to some modifiers being super oppressive

[bitter charm]

It is