zealot-class

[placid fiber]

Yeah crusher or dueling sword would probably be a good bet for that build

[misty mason]

Im an Error Theorist anyway

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-keanu-reeves-power-windy-gif-15235043

[remote lark]

[zinc talon]

^the movie that started the we're in a simulation trend

[fleet zealot]

no duelist fucks with my options but i have to HP number max

[gusty orbit]

it's normal, we humans like to feel in control, one way or another, the illusion of control is a big allure after all

[placid fiber]

Like I said: do that on an ogryn

[fleet zealot]

no

this is hp stacking zealot

[placid fiber]

You would have almost 600 hp lol

[remote lark]

Duelist is mandatory for every build

[zinc talon]

absolutely, cuz even no matter how much control we have at any given moment, the universe can conspire to remove it

[opaque island]

Im in the, it is what you make it crowd, life can either be a purgatory, heaven or hell. And alot of it can be out of our control, its not like you can control when and where you're born

[remote lark]

Die

[zinc talon]

that's the fearful part in my head anyway

[fleet zealot]

i mean, with the 20% hp regen from restoring faith

[misty mason]

Soft Determinism moment

[fleet zealot]

your effective hp is about that of an ogryn

[bitter anvil]

someone once said wine take time to make you drunk

is that true?

[misty mason]

No

[fleet zealot]

once you calculate on good balance and SoC, you are def in ogryn HP range

[zinc talon]

nah

[placid fiber]

True, tho... ogryns have 20% dr

[remote lark]

you take so many worthless points taking that talent you shouldn't ever have it in the first place...

[misty mason]

It depends on other factors like how much you've eaten, slept etc

[remote lark]

[zinc talon]

it takes about 8 minutes for a majority of it to filter through your stomach and guts and start hitting you as hard as it will before your liver starts reducing it

[fleet zealot]

i know you noob

it's not a fuckin legit build

it's a thought experiment

[remote lark]

NOOO

[gusty orbit]

i vary from determinism to free will, but again it can boil down to it doesn't matter so why bother, just gotta make the best version out of it

[placid fiber]

It's built that way on purpose lol

[remote lark]

NO FUN ALLOWED IN ZEALOT CHAT

[zinc talon]

beer and champagne take less tim ebecause they're carbonated and that positive pressure will push it through your stomach lining faster

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423525684799995904/1304091030953660426/SHTU_UP_SPRINGS.gif

[remote lark]

META SLAVE SWEATLORDS ONLY

[bitter anvil]

so sacramental wine doesn't make you that drunk much?

[opaque island]

wait for real?

[fleet zealot]

it's meant to purposefully max out HP value on zealot

[misty mason]

Yeah soft determinism is objectively the cool guy solution

[opaque island]

i didnt know that

[remote lark]

NO DOPAMINE

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-ogryn-ogryn-reaction-live-reaction-plague-ogryn-live-reaction-gif-1395788199602766548

[zinc talon]

yeah that's why so many people get fall down drunk on NYE

[fleet zealot]

blame fatshark for having any pathing that isn't the "standard" be utter shit

[modern lintel]

silence dornling

[zinc talon]

they drink other things and then swap to champagne at midnight

and the carbonation pushes the liquor they were drinking into their blood

[fleet zealot]

is rashad bearable w/o twbs

[remote lark]

"Yes"

[fleet zealot]

cause really i'm stuck between rashad and crusher

[zinc talon]

TRANSCEND to crusher enjoyment

[fleet zealot]

i consent, i consent, i don't

i could go shockmaul

[remote lark]

Rashads more bearable than crusher if you had to..

[placid fiber]

Do Rashad for the lulz

[zinc talon]

shockmaul is a ton of fun too

[fleet zealot]

i do have hammer of faith

what's the good shockmaul

[copper hawk]

@hard nexus

[zinc talon]

shockmaul's as knimble as a knife and can insta stun everything up to crushers

[bitter anvil]

I had beer that isn't strong in july. my Unc take me out to eat some seafood and have me with 3 bottle beer first time

[zinc talon]

crushers included

[fleet zealot]

i'm too lazy to open my own game for this shit build

[opaque island]

In this world where alot of things can be out of our control and alot of it can be shit, id rather try to be kind and understanding to attempt to make it a little better for the people around me

[remote lark]

Knimbl

[misty mason]

Free will can't be proven, but it can also not be unproven and we perceive ourselves to have free will.
Determinism can be proven because if you imagine an infinite-power computer that understood every fundamental law of the universe and knew about every atom in the universe, it could predict the future with 100% accuracy.
Therefore they're both kind of true

[zinc talon]

beer usually doesn't get stronger than about 5 to 8% aclohol by volume

wine starts about 9 and goes to 15

[placid fiber]

Did you see how fast you can cast brain burst at?

[bitter anvil]

well uhh asian beer isn't that strong?

its Tiger brand, and Tuborg brand

[fleet zealot]

i already know

but i saw that

test

as well

with the stims and shit

[remote lark]

Anybody know what whiskeys opened shelf life is

[placid fiber]

Yeah, it is wild and hilarious

[zinc talon]

I haven't heard of either of those, I'm goin by american brands

[bitter anvil]

budlight

[zinc talon]

oklahoma has a law saying beer can't be stronger than 5% so they all come to texas to stock up on actual beers

[placid fiber]

@zinc talon Look at how fast this psyker goes

[misty mason]

My argument is that free will is based on perception anyway and just cause the universe can be argued as deterministic doesn't change the fact that we have free will - hence soft determinism

[zinc talon]

the michelob ultra I'm drinkin right now is 4.2% by volume

[zinc talon]

I'm on board, yeah

[zinc talon]

huh

[bitter anvil]

these two i had nvm I only had Tuborg

[misty mason]

(Guess who has a philosophy degree lmao)

[zinc talon]

HAH

[opaque island]

also hard determinism can lean to close to it nothing being anyones fault cause it was out of their control anyway

which can be kinda slippery

[misty mason]

Yeah

[gusty orbit]

getting into philosophy territory here aren't we, but it's true, what's interesting about this is the fundamentals of the thought process you can get about someone's mind just by pulling off a free will threatening statement or idea, the reactions are priceless tbh

[zinc talon]

in the old stalker titles, if you closed to melee distance on a controller they couldn't do anything to you

[bitter anvil]

these are beer in my country some of them i consumed through relative hangout

[zinc talon]

huh. haven't ever seen those here in texas

probably a domestic brand for your country

[opaque island]

at the end of the day we cant really prove it one way or another for sure, so its just a fun thought experiment

[bitter anvil]

yeah its only home country domestric brand

they are lighter

[misty mason]

Yeah I mean its challenging people's perceptions that are so fundamental they may not have even thought to question them

[zinc talon]

they'll all say on the bottle what their ABV % is

[misty mason]

That can make people uncomfortable

Not necessarily in a bad way

[grand tangle]

Maybe not in their country idk

[misty mason]

But yeah, can prompt some funny reactions

[opaque island]

sometimes you gotta be made uncomfortable to grow

[grand tangle]

That's on bottles because of regulations

[zinc talon]

abso

oh true

[bitter anvil]

it's 3.5-5%

[zinc talon]

3.5 is pretty impressively low

[bitter anvil]

there's regulation cannot go 6%

over*

[zinc talon]

I think michelob ultra is the lowest ABV we have here aside from niche stuff at 4.2

[misty mason]

3.5 is about the boundry before you start considering it light beer haha

[zinc talon]

budweiser miller and coors are about 5.5 to 6

[bitter anvil]

that's strong right there

i guess

[opaque island]

an 8% tallboy is perfect for me, gets me just the right amount of buzzed but not so drunk i have a hangover the next day

[bitter anvil]

european go crazy

[misty mason]

5 is still well within standard beer territory

[zinc talon]

yeah they do, theirs can get so high here in america you have to serve it in a wine glass

[misty mason]

8+ is where it starts getting into strong beer

[zinc talon]

cuz it's not legallty beer anymore

[misty mason]

IMO

[bitter anvil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabeco_Brewery

[misty mason]

Vietbeer?

[bitter anvil]

yes

[misty mason]

Thai

[bitter anvil]

no

[opaque island]

we sometimes have 15-20% beers in the pub i work at

[bitter anvil]

i am viet

[misty mason]

Ah

[frozen kernel]

Uhhhh I’m drawing a blank, which mission is it where we lose connection to the Mourningstar and hold out in the large circular misty room with the hookah’s and junk

[modern lintel]

ho chi minh moment

[gusty orbit]

this is where duality of things comes into place, free will can exist with some level of determinism, one concept doesn't necessarily kill the other, we humans need to think of our free will as a basic instinct, but things tend to the deterministic side

[frozen kernel]

It’s one of the carnival ones isn’t it?

[opaque island]

fuck the actual name? its one of the carnival ones

[gusty orbit]

damn i need a beer

[misty mason]

Luv me some pho xhao

[frozen kernel]

YEAH THIS IS MY PROBLEM

[bitter anvil]

uncle ho freed people from colonial slavery

[misty mason]

(I think thats how its spelled)

[bitter anvil]

the fried noodle?

[misty mason]

Yeah

[bitter anvil]

xao is fry

[zinc talon]

pho here is a vietnamese soup dish

[misty mason]

Fug

[zinc talon]

oh okay

[misty mason]

I was so close

pho xao

[silver granite]

yo

[modern lintel]

i hear textile industry is booming

[bitter anvil]

lotus textile is very expensive i heard

[misty mason]

ze 'ol world ez naturale French territoreeee

[opaque island]

I will admit, I do kinda get anxious when i think about determinism, i want to believe if i REALLY tried I could change i.e have the free will to change if i really tried

[misty mason]

Again, this is why Soft Determinism is the cool guy answer

[opaque island]

the idea that its all out of my control doesnt make me feel good

[misty mason]

We both have free will and live in a deterministic universe

[bitter anvil]

we kick french asses out our land, and take it back what it's our

[misty mason]

Just cause your actions could theoretically be predicted with 100% accuracy doesn't mean you didn't make those choices with free will

[misty mason]

Yep based

Fuck them colonists

[bitter anvil]

i means Henry Kissinger one causing fucking up third world

[opaque island]

anyways, im gonna go predictably eat the same noodles ive been eating for the past 4 weeks cause omg im addicted

[misty mason]

Blessed day when he died

[bitter anvil]

he was victim of jewish escape german prosecution

yeah hes jewish, so is strange why he grew up become like that

diplomatic to soviet

but fucking around third world country like overthrow goverment

[misty mason]

People are full of contradictions

[bitter anvil]

mmmm

[misty mason]

wat noodle

[gusty orbit]

you and me are on the same line of thought lol

[zinc talon]

see if they have udon noodles at the restaurant you're going to

those things are thicc

[bitter anvil]

rice udon noodle

[opaque island]

https://tenor.com/view/thukuna-sukuna-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-gif-3650863237006021614

[misty mason]

I wrote what I thought was a pretty good paper on soft determinism

[drowsy steppe]

autism

[bitter anvil]

in my ocuntry they called Bún

[misty mason]

Fuck I knew it was gonna be Buldak

[grand tangle]

Most people in America don't want us fucking around with other nations business unless it benefits them personally somehow

[silver granite]

Buldak ahh reaction

[misty mason]

This post is banned in Denmark

[opaque island]

i think its MSG in it or something cause i legit cannot stop eating them

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-soc-kruglov-ecologist-scientist-gif-24489592

[opaque island]

we went over this the last time i posted about them

"too spicy"

[misty mason]

Yep lol

[modern lintel]

remember kids anythings possible temporarily with a gun

[bitter anvil]

i had spicy kimchi dumplin it's buddak

[misty mason]

Oh thats sounds goood

I had some killer Gochujang spicy stir fried pork the other day

[grand tangle]

We don't live in a deterministic universe, though

[bitter anvil]

the kimchi dumplin spicy is very spicy after 2-3 dumplin

[misty mason]

It was on a weekly rotating menu though, so they're not doing it this week

[silver granite]

Darktide on PS5 and Grim Protocols launch in just 6 days

[gusty orbit]

never thought i would read good advice on the internet, that day came today

[opaque island]

the times ive accepted this idea, it feels good for a bit, but eventually it leads me into a panic attack

[misty mason]

Want to hear my argument that we do though

[grand tangle]

Best theories of physics point to a true random element

[bitter anvil]

[opaque island]

every... single....time

usually tied to social anxiety

[grand tangle]

Something that is inherently unpredictable

[misty mason]

I enjoy it cause it involves "The God Machine"

[opaque island]

people keep telling me ill grow out of caring what other people think of me, but it hasnt happened yet and its been a good 10-15 years

[grand tangle]

Many examples in particle physics of true randomness

[misty mason]

My OG argument (I probably absorbed the idea through osmosis tbf tho)

[gusty orbit]

it's a creeping feeling, almost gets to the bone, been there, it's just normal instinct tbh, ripping the illusion of control from someone is mentally exhausting, even physically

[grand tangle]

Simplest example is particle decay

[fathom helm]

I wonder if the heavy chainsword will be made kind of redundant by the heavy powersword, especially if heavy powersword doesn't have a cleave damage cap 🤔

[grand tangle]

Vladsic schrodingers cat hypothetical

Classic

[opaque island]

maybe I should do a fuck off amount of shrooms and REALLY think about it... what could go wrong 🙂

i have a coworker that did shrooms and has accepted simulation theory

[grand tangle]

Originally ot was poison that killed the cat when a particle decays, because it is fundamentally impossible to predict particle decay

[gusty orbit]

you either unlock a spiritual/mental thing or develop schizophrenia lmao, maybe a bit of both

[gusty orbit]

yeeeeah, you kinda open up to some shit after some astral trips

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/resist-temptation-anime-gif-8531428

not a terrible dump stat less staff right there

[grand tangle]

It is not technically impossible but physically allowed like eternal motion, it is fundamentally impossible to predict, like it is fundamentally impossible to travel through space faster than light

[zinc talon]

impossible to travel through space faster than light RIGHT NOW

[misty mason]

It never has to exist or even be possible to ever exist, so long as you can imagine it and agree with the concept it proves determinism:

Imagine a computer that understands every fundamental law of the universe perfecctly and knows about every atom in the universe, it has infinite processing power. It could then predict the future perfectly

[zinc talon]

homersimpson.meme

[opaque island]

thats why the bet sci fi comes up with something we discoveredthat breaks our fundamental understanding of how it works

[zinc talon]

err he said so far not right now

[opaque island]

cause hur durr we jsut figured out how to travel faster than light

is impossible

[quick fog]

I'

[zinc talon]

yeah sci fi is just a series of what if scenarios

[quick fog]

I've done 5 without dying and havent got the title

[misty mason]

Your argument is that there is fundamnetal randomness in the universe, so yeah, couldn't really accept that argument

[zinc talon]

it wasn't originally space ships and warp drives

it was the twilight zone

that's why star trek TNG did so well with epeople

they'd flit to some planet where x y z was flipped to how we do it ourselves

[opaque island]

if twilight zone came out now, it would be considered "woke" lets be honest

[zinc talon]

and what would society look like then, what big questions would we ask

[opaque island]

or am i thinking of the x files

[sterile stone]

@modern lintel I just found out they have tiny little stick pudges for legs

[zinc talon]

x files was mulder and skully finding aliens on earth

[misty mason]

I just like how Star Trek is being aped by us now and we're inventing star trek tech

[opaque island]

aw, its kinda cute in a fucked up kinda way

[zinc talon]

twilight zone was the black and white show that was like 'what if we injected ourselves with pig dna for x reason'

[gusty orbit]

only if gpswords have similar kill potential for crushers and monsters, which is likely

[zinc talon]

twilight zone waqs a lot closer to black mirror is now

[misty mason]

What if we put goat balls in our scrotes (real thing that happened)

[opaque island]

the first season of black mirror fucked me up

[zinc talon]

black mirror pushes the envelope too much just for the sake of being edgy imo though

yeah same

[opaque island]

we are closer to some of those realities than we'd probably like to think

[sterile stone]

Wouldn't be so bad if they didn't ping you in the back with a rusted barrel going mach 5

[zinc talon]

but black mirror poses questions we have to wrestle with today

the episode about social capital and your rank

that shit's goin on in china as we speak

[opaque island]

exactly what i was gonna say

[fathom helm]

sci fi / futuristic media has predicted some stuff in the future, like how drone warfare is for example

See Black Ops games, Black Ops 2 specifically.

[opaque island]

literally 1984

its a meme

but also

[misty mason]

Simply hide behind a corner then YOLO spam shotguns in the goobers head

[zinc talon]

if you haven't, yall should watch the 1984 movie that has john hurt in it

they filmed it, in 1984, to be true to the tech of the times

and it's faithful to the book throughout

[misty mason]

Literally 1984

[zinc talon]

lidurrily

[gusty orbit]

literli 1984

[grand tangle]

I'm telling you the fundamental laws of the universe would prevent that computer from making accurate predictions because true randomness exists.
To be clear, randomness is not disproven or proven. Your statement just assume the universe is perfectly mechanistic, which we have some evidence to say it isn't. And it only takes one exception, one true random interaction type to ruin determinism.

[gusty orbit]

i probably will have to see that movie, seems interesting

[misty mason]

Yeah realistically we can't prove it either way

[zinc talon]

it's excellent, and an easy watch

[misty mason]

Accepting the god machine theory relies on accepting that the universe doesn't have fundamental randomness

[fathom helm]

GPS will probably split crushers in half, yeah. Probably split everything in half.

[zinc talon]

doesn't beat you over the head with anything, it's just the story of one schlub going through life working in the ministry of information

[opaque island]

man i just want to see humanity do better. and be better. I wanna see us survive on and off this rock we are stuck on

[misty mason]

I like it though because its a way of proving determinism without relying on a god

(despite the name)

[gusty orbit]

yeah, it's a thought experiment, but the universe is not random, at small scale it can appear so, but the universe is very homogeneous at large scale, like very

[zinc talon]

all the themes of statism and authoritarianism and reporting your neighbor for thought crimes, all that stuff that gets bandied about on online forums, you have to make those connectrions yourself

[north sedge]

I just wanna play the video game from star trek tng that gets people off

[misty mason]

Steam can help you with that buddy

[opaque island]

do we have to do something remarkable with our lives? do we have to "accomplish something" or is it okay to just spend your life trying to survive and enjoy what you enjoy

as long as it doesnt harm others

[misty mason]

If you like anime/dead eyed manequin looking girls

[opaque island]

always gotta addthat part

[grand tangle]

There is structure even at the largest scales of the universe

[north sedge]

No that's different

[misty mason]

Yeah this is why I kind of like Epicureanism

[modern lintel]

does what to people

[opaque island]

never heard of that one

[misty mason]

🇨 🇺

[opaque island]

yo, this is it.

how have i not heard of this

[grand tangle]

Cui?

Cuisine?

[opaque island]

i have a word to put to it now

[misty mason]

Redacted

[quick fog]

anyone down to run 5 auric real fast?

[misty mason]

Yeah you know you're probably in good waters when it's an ancient Greek philosopher that doesn't hate women or slaves lmao

This is like the uberwokest

[modern lintel]

the inquisition actually does icup

[opaque island]

stoicism though

muh stoicism

[misty mason]

I fucken hate stocisim

[opaque island]

ive always kinda bounced off stoicism

[misty mason]

<- former stoicism enjoyer

[misty mason]

🇨 🇲

[opaque island]

Id hug you if i could danopeneye, how have i never heard of this until now

[opaque island]

epicureanism is literally what ive wanted to believe, finding joy in the simple things

[misty mason]

Ye

Its good shit

Gotta get that Ataraxia baybee

[opaque island]

though the moderation part...i could probably learn more into that

definitely play too much video games

[misty mason]

Yeah IDK I read it more as being against gluttony

[gusty orbit]

greek buddhism

[misty mason]

Like if your greed is harming others

[opaque island]

fr fr

well considering western philosophy is heavily rooted in greek philosophy its nice to have a greek version yknow

[gusty orbit]

stoicism has the right idea, since it takes a lot of thought from eastern philosophy, what kinda takes it down a bit is red pill morons thinking they're stoic

[misty mason]

As with all things greek philosophy, take it with a spoon of salt

Nah Stoicism suxxxx

Enjoy the good things in life enthusiastically, feel your emotions

Don't clamp down on them cause some ancient bois think crying is for wussies

[opaque island]

(as long as those emotions dont lead to harm in others)

[misty mason]

Yeh

[opaque island]

always gotta add that bit

[gusty orbit]

yeah that's why i say it has the right idea and then it doesn't, but again, they were trying to apply a different line of thought, life, feeling, beeing, to their golden greek lives

[misty mason]

TBH I think Stoicism is being sold by people who aren't stoics themselves because having a large population of stoics is good

I want to be more specific than that

[gusty orbit]

knowing how to be more in control of your emotions and yourself is not that much stoicism but should be basic human growth and experience

[misty mason]

But it would become obviously political lol

[opaque island]

dont be a Taint :^)

[gusty orbit]

of course they aren't lmao, see any stoic guru and they aren't by any means, not in thought, not in action, and the people they convince to be stoics of course won't be either

but yeah rest of that gets super political xd

[opaque island]

all im gonna say is its a shame that this kind of thing HAS become so politicized

anyway what blessings would yall reccomend for shredder autopistol

[misty mason]

I really like Contrapoints' video where she talks about Neitzche's view on the history of Christianity

It kind of touches on this

Interesting stuff

[misty ravine]

Braced and Autogun

[misty mason]

Plus she mocks Nietzche a bunch which is always funny

[misty portal]

Am new to zealot and trying to run bleed/crit build with knife, is it possible to see my crit chance?

[misty mason]

Not without mods I dont think

Envy was the video

[gusty orbit]

mocking nietzche in any way is always a win

[misty mason]

Couldnt remember

What a good video that was holy moley

I think the knife has base 20% crit or something like that

I am not a knife enjoyer so IDK

[misty portal]

Mmm heard that, thank ye

[misty mason]

From what I remember I think you dont want to use bleed as your primary form of damage

[gusty orbit]

almost 2 hours jesus christ

[misty mason]

You want to use bleed to feed your other abilities or something

Sure is a modern video essay lol

[misty portal]

I’d assume hitting weak point increases the chance of going a crit? There’s no info on crits anywhere lol

[misty mason]

I dont think so

Im pretty sure crits are determined on swing

Not on hit

[misty portal]

Heard that, I’m still in the learning phase with this weapon lol, am enjoying the movement on it

[misty mason]

Yeah I wish I could be more useful, but I just never wanted to use the knife

Was always more of an hsword/caxe/thammer guy

Especially the latter two

[misty portal]

I like the combat axes a lot bc of the raw damage, it’s hard to match with knife but noticed I can still kill big enemies in two charged headshots

[misty mason]

There are plenty of knife users in chat though, someone should be able to help

Caxe is like SS tier

Rashad with brutal momentum and headtaker is godtier

[gusty orbit]

you can go for bleed on crit blessing, but to learn the knife i'd recommend riposte and precognition, it's pretty crazy how the knife performs way better when diving into its strengths

[fleet zealot]

crits and weakspots are two different things

[opaque island]

is SS tier better or godtier?

[fleet zealot]

crit is rng rolled on swing, weakspots are fixed locations, usually head (besides beast of nurgle)

[misty mason]

Uh

Dealers choice

[fleet zealot]

also, i believe fatshark uses psuedeo rng where it tries to balance your crit chance to avoid lucky/unlucky streaks

but the crit chance tracker mod doesn't see this?

don't think about it too hard, you know fatshark didn't

[misty mason]

With a knife you should be able to get your crit super high anyway

Like easily 60%+

I don't have the game open so I'm honestly probably lowballing

I think evisc can get up to like 80% with a crit blessing

[fleet zealot]

you can get 95% with a piety build easily

with 0 offmeta

[misty mason]

Yeah that makes sense

[fleet zealot]

scourge+piety+knife base+ riposte

then you just take precog

[misty mason]

Like I said, lowballing + not a knifeboi

Can't give up the bonk stick

[hearty nebula]

knife is.. less common in this chat than you think lol

[misty mason]

The amount of times it gets asked about I am both surprised and not to hear that

[fleet zealot]

Mostly for the rare arguements where the lacerate simps show up

[hearty nebula]

like the most i see people using it for (from regulars at least) is to just go fast for speedrunning basically

knife is strong

but its also boring as fuck

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-27330807

[misty mason]

I imagine its probably very fun for people who haven't used it much

I can't see zip zop zooy builds being boring by default

[hearty nebula]

i used it for a bit for the first time a week or two ago, had fun for a little bit then lost interest

[opaque island]

i do like going zip zoop

[gusty orbit]

knives are ok to turn the neurons off

other than that not much else

[hearty nebula]

its got one of the most boring movesets in the game ngl

[fleet zealot]

i have damaged hands by default so like

[hearty nebula]

i wish it had some conditionals

[fleet zealot]

i just don't use spammy weapons like knife

[misty mason]

TBH tho I am a smoothbrain weapon enjoyer

[merry flume]

i wish perfect strike was good on heavy sword

[misty mason]

Rashad my beloved

[fleet zealot]

i don't

[tired isle]

When I play a game set in a franchise known for it’s iconic melee weapons, and I’m playing the melee class, I’m not going to use a basic ass knife

[misty mason]

But Thammer will always be my bae

[fleet zealot]

if any weapon has a viable crit build it quickly becomes the only build

[misty mason]

Me running thammer crit build

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[fleet zealot]

me seeing another person going crit bleed chainaxe

WHY DO YOU NEED SCOURGE FOR YOU HIT 16 STACKS WITH YOUR BLOODLETTER AHHHHHHHH

[tired isle]

I wish Evisorator got buffed, two handed Power Sword is going to outclass it in everything

[gusty orbit]

mk3 needs some love

[mossy tulip]

what's the HS7 horde clear combo

heay > light?

[gusty orbit]

mk15 is a good weapon

[misty mason]

Evisc is good

[fleet zealot]

just you wait, two handed power sword is actually going to invalidate thunderhammer /j

[misty mason]

Both of them are like A tier weapons

They're not meta, but they're perfectly solid

They're just kind of allrounder weapons

[fleet zealot]

i feel like, evisc people just assume is horde clear which, it kinda is? but it's more for slashing through big things

[misty mason]

They do everything well, but nothing exceptionally

[gusty orbit]

i mean most weapons in zealots' hands feel A tier at least, that meaning strong but of course not rashad/knife/duelling

[tired isle]

Can Evicsorator be good at that without the special attack?

[misty mason]

Yeah thats true

But thats not a bad thing

Its more of an indication that other weapons should be buffed rather than the evisc etc needing it

[misty ravine]

Mk3 is horde clear, Mk15 staggers a bunch with its sweeping lights which fools people into thinking it's better horde clear than it is

[tired isle]

What’s the ideal combo on the MK 15 for elites?

[fleet zealot]

is two handed power sword going to be good without special as well?

[misty mason]

Who knows

[fleet zealot]

BT lights on mk15 are extremely underrated

[fleet zealot]

heavies

[gusty orbit]

mk15 is pretty braindead xd, heavy attack spam

the automatic rev kicks ass

[fleet zealot]

only way to increase your target cap is to spam rev'd l1

which, is dumb playstyle

[misty mason]

I imagine its going to have worse horde clear unpowered, better horde clear powered

[fleet zealot]

but it's pretty good

[tired isle]

Why not use Thammer then

[fleet zealot]

cause thammer can't kill more than one thing at a time

[hearty nebula]

yeah but it doesnt work on any sort of armor

moment there's armor

it gets fucked

[tired isle]

MK 15 heavy is the same

[misty mason]

This is a valid question to any non thammer user

[hearty nebula]

true, but i also needed a second go at thammer to enjoy it

[fleet zealot]

no cause ltierally, even outside of special, thammer is really just a push broom, htis the first target hard,

[misty mason]

I remember when Aqshy threatened (jokingly) to ban me for Ducktide posting

[hearty nebula]

i did not like it my first go around

[fleet zealot]

andt hat's kinda it, at least evi can cut through some mass

[misty mason]

🦆 🇹 🇮 🇩 🇪

[fleet zealot]

DUCKTIDE

QUACK

[tired isle]

I mean you are going to clear a horde of Crushers quicker with a Thammer. However It is worse against stray elites

Because you have to activate it to be optimal

[fleet zealot]

and you have to thrust for thammer

[gusty orbit]

nah, an mk15 is a menace against crushers

[fleet zealot]

it evens out real quick

[misty mason]

Thammer requires non smooth brain play yes

But also bonk = neuron activation

[tired isle]

The special leaves me vulnerable to the second Crusher

[hearty nebula]

they're about even when it comes to elite/special deletion in my experience

[misty mason]

Bon bon? More like Bonk Bonk

[hearty nebula]

you can dodge during

[tired isle]

Oh really

[hearty nebula]

yes

[misty mason]

Yeah if you haven't played it since the unlocked and loaded patch they greately lowered the refractory period

[tired isle]

Nice

[fleet zealot]

it doesn't really anymore

[misty mason]

No I am not changing the wording of that

[fleet zealot]

also they made rev'd attacks scale better wtih attack speed as well

[hearty nebula]

thats why i say thammer + mkxv are about even

like not exact

[tired isle]

Thammer is a bit faster though right

[hearty nebula]

but p close

[gusty orbit]

yeah, they aren't so far away one from the other

[fleet zealot]

you can dodge out of revs if needed and stacking attack speed makes evis rev faster than thunderhammer waiting for thrust

[hearty nebula]

mkxv is a bit better at trash clearing

[tired isle]

Can MK 15 one shot crushers?

[hearty nebula]

yes

easily

[fleet zealot]

cause like, i can sit here all day and just type

just use ds4 lul

why use anything

[tired isle]

Without dash?

[fleet zealot]

when ds4

[gusty orbit]

yeah, carapace perk makes short work of them

[fleet zealot]

Bloodthirsty without dash,

or carapace perk

i believe duelist helps as well

[hearty nebula]

bc its boring

[hearty nebula]

yeah but why would you

[fleet zealot]

yea but it kills fasters so obv no reason to use anything else

[misty mason]

I kind of feel like playing my ex stance bolter vet

[fleet zealot]

don't use stealth with chain weapons

period

it doesn't work

fatshark won't fix it

[hearty nebula]

bc they're not boring

thats the reason

noob....

[tired isle]

Worse CC

[fleet zealot]

i must compare

[gusty orbit]

also you wanna abuse dash rev as much as possible, not only is it fun but it melts shit, and you can create 2 crits out of a single dash

[fleet zealot]

MUST COMPARE everything TO THE META

[misty mason]

Thammer takes getting used to

[tired isle]

Wait how lol

[misty mason]

Theres a rhythm you need to learn that you kind of just need to practice with to get used to

[hearty nebula]

^

[misty mason]

I think its rev attack and dash during, then rev attack again?

[gusty orbit]

you rev attack dash quickly, get full damage, and then have a free crit still

i don't know specifics because fatshark game

[tired isle]

With bloodthirsty?

[hearty nebula]

there's almost zero use for it though

considering you can already just oneshot anything that isn't a boss

[gusty orbit]

also thammer just forces you to play with some brain, it doesn't melt hordes but it should keep you safe with the stagger, and with elites you gotta know when to activate and what attack to use

[hearty nebula]

its how they register attacks

probably

[fleet zealot]

If you fotf first, you are just getting the crit, and the bonus damage/rending to the first tick of damage

[tired isle]

Maybe if you don’t gave carapace perk

[fleet zealot]

if you fotf after the hit connects, you get the crit, bonus damage/rending to the entire hit, and you keep the buff for the next melee attack

[hearty nebula]

why would i not take carap, it already deletes every special

[misty mason]

I do wonder if there are any valid dual CDR perk builds

[fleet zealot]

yea like, evi already oneshots all flaks and maniacs

[hearty nebula]

^

[fleet zealot]

besides like, maulers but you take cara and go for the head anyways

[hearty nebula]

carap is the "take it or dont use it" perk on evi basically

it's intentionally gimping yourself

[tired isle]

So I should use special on maniacs and elites?

[hearty nebula]

yea. you can oneshot maulers though without, but you have to aim at their feet basically lmao

[hearty nebula]

i mean you can. specialists arent very tanky in the first place

[fleet zealot]

chaxe has the same thing, unarmored is >flakiac on mk12 even

[misty mason]

Hot Mauler Onlyfeets

[fleet zealot]

which is insane for most players

we need to give general

the enemy guide

[tired isle]

Should I use the special against a horde of Dreg Ragers?

[fleet zealot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

[hearty nebula]

you can try

[fleet zealot]

if you have fotf yes

[hearty nebula]

or you can just shoot them

lol

[fleet zealot]

or twbs and enough resources to tank a few hits

[tired isle]

Fair

[fleet zealot]

or throwing knife

[gusty orbit]

you spam normal heavy, shoot them, throwing knives, dash for instakills

[fleet zealot]

or stun nade

[gusty orbit]

cutting the chaff is the most important

[misty mason]

Im mad that my current build has forced me to use knives again lol

They're good but I need to get used to them again

The only real problem is it makes it way more dangerous to save someone who is in a bad position

[tired isle]

I prefer incendiary grenades

[misty mason]

Yeah knives are probably my least favourite

But they're still super good

Deletes dreg ragers

[gusty orbit]

i hate to admit that knives are way too good for their own sake

[hearty nebula]

depends if you can aim

(console players cannot)

[misty mason]

Im already running revolver though so I already have quick fire ranged

[gusty orbit]

yeah if you can't aim you have no blitz lmao

[misty mason]

But yeah, when you're needing to reload or need that bullet for something else its still good

[gusty orbit]

i couldn't aim knives the first 20 games i used em

[hearty nebula]

i got used to em pretty quick

[misty mason]

I just prefer stun nades

[hearty nebula]

they have pretty flat trajectory all things considered

[misty mason]

Much better for clutching

[hearty nebula]

my main problem was their travel time

[gusty orbit]

up to 30 meters or so of really easy aiming on the knives

[hearty nebula]

the aim assist helps alot tbh

even if its barely there

[obtuse lichen]

is mobility the dump stat on a dueling sword? or does it depend on the mark?

[hearty nebula]

it is dump stat

unless weapon has defences or smth it's basically always the dump

[obtuse lichen]

well on the mk5 and mk2 it does have defense

which changes tro cleave damage on the mk4

[hearty nebula]

then dump defense ig 🤷

[obtuse lichen]

ok thanks

[hearty nebula]

i dont use ds it's boring

:3

[storm crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[hearty nebula]

shut up

[storm crypt]

wdym

[obtuse lichen]

working on mastery for all weapons. trying to get a perfect one of each

[storm crypt]

i agree

i acknowledge it's good

[hearty nebula]

i dont care

[misty mason]

I do want to try dclaw again, but im too busy bonking

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-27330807

[misty mason]

Neiryn is tsundere you must understand

[hearty nebula]

dclaw goated

[misty mason]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-white-witch-evil-laugh-laughing-evil-gif-4850418

[hearty nebula]

once you learn the parry its better than crack

[gusty orbit]

i don't know shit about light swords, maybe i need to get dclaw pilled

[storm crypt]

i havent used dclaw since they were changed to have the like

[hearty nebula]

I LOVE PARRYING CRUSHER OVERHEADS GRAAAAAAH

[storm crypt]

slightly-after-a-parry block window

but i imagine it only feels better now

i switched to thammer after i saw it no longer stuns you for 5 years

[gusty orbit]

best change ever

[storm crypt]

also crucis having an immediate overhead after charging is so good

ironhelm not getting that same change sucks

so much

[misty mason]

I do kind of miss the golf swing heavy

But yeah the overhead is obviously the better choice

[gusty orbit]

i only miss it for nostalgia sake

[misty mason]

Yeah

[storm crypt]

i do not miss having to swing myself around to hit beasts weakspots lmao

[gusty orbit]

having a head seeker homing attack on my crucis is a godsend, even more than it was before

[zinc talon]

it's nvidia's overlay that's crashing me

instant replay or recording instant crashes DT

welp, time to gitgud with steam recording in the background

nvidia would record at 120fps tho 😐

[hearty nebula]

you have no reason to record at 120fps

[gusty orbit]

having to look 90 degrees to the other side so the right to left attack could go into things, great times

[hearty nebula]

other than shitty slowmo effects

[storm crypt]

the 120hz watchers though

[zinc talon]

will video uplolad sites like youtube even allow and run a video at 120fps

[storm crypt]

no lol

[zinc talon]

I just love the snappy video

[hearty nebula]

which you'd almost definitely render out at 30-60fps anyways unless

[hearty nebula]

no

[zinc talon]

ok welp a girl can dream I guess

back to steam's 60

[hearty nebula]

yt only supports up to 60fps iirc

[storm crypt]

there is no reason to ever upload a video past 60 fps, 60+ is only for video editing

[hearty nebula]

^

[zinc talon]

steam's system is impressive tho

[storm crypt]

eg. halving the speed for a slow-mo at 60 fps

[hearty nebula]

and even then

still not necessary

[zinc talon]

it'll run in the background and record the last two hours of your gaming

and you can clip something out, and steam will do the work for you while you're in game

and you can go back to the game

[hearty nebula]

oh fr? thats fucking sick

[storm crypt]

that's pretty neat

[zinc talon]

that's the recorded video btw

it pops up, you clip, it says ok, off you go

it is space heavy tho

[storm crypt]

i just set up a OBS replay buffer because i like having the audio channels split up

[zinc talon]

you need up to like 38 gigs for the full two hours at max quality

[hearty nebula]

ill check in a sec

[zinc talon]

I really should just get obs

[storm crypt]

it's really nice

[zinc talon]

I just figured lemme work with what's at my disposal already

cuz my favorite kind of work to do, is work that I don't have to do

[storm crypt]

split audio channels is so nice for if i need just gameplay or if i need to clip some stupid thing someone said in call

[hearty nebula]

i remember the days when like.. bandicam and fraps were the main video recording software

[storm crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4-solid-snake-old-snake-becoming-old-gif-24179307

fraps fps counter

[ancient ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-xbox-gaming-elder-scrolls-games-gif-27629886

We going to be like this after December third?

[zinc talon]

fraps yeah

10 fps pixellated garbage

[hearty nebula]

you fucking bet

[storm crypt]

no because the 2hps arent zweihanders

yes

[zinc talon]

heh

[tired isle]

SOMEDAY, LOVE WILL FIND YOU

[gusty orbit]

you can count on that shit

[zinc talon]

my sister of battle will be even more complete

[ancient ivy]

Ana the Unwanted needs a place where she is wanted

[hearty nebula]

peak format tbh

[gusty orbit]

goated song

[hearty nebula]

yeah seperate ways is p good

[ancient ivy]

I love Dan Vasc’s cover of Separate ways

[opaque island]

man if only the gameplay was actually this sick

[ancient ivy]

I also love My Immortal covered by him too just gives it that power metal chill

[hearty nebula]

true

but on the other hand

ESO's trailer crimes aren't as heavy as top down games

they'll get the sickest ass trailer ever

and then you look inside

[ancient ivy]

Raid shadow legend trailers

[hearty nebula]

top down turn based combat

[ancient ivy]

Overwatch character trailers then the character itself

[hearty nebula]

this isn't a slight, i love me some rpgs, but fuck man it sucks when you think there's finally gonna be some cool ass action game on the market and then it's just mostly a game about thinking or number go up grind

[misty mason]

I wonder if the studio who did arcane could do a good OW series

[opaque island]

https://tenor.com/view/level-up-dancing-victory-dance-happy-dance-transformation-gif-15004862

[hearty nebula]

please ban rpgs from getting sick ass trailers

thx

[misty mason]

Just play the true RPG, Amazing Cultivation Simulator

[opaque island]

give me another MMORPG with Tera like combat but like NOT Tera

[gusty orbit]

give them another good old 250 million and they can

[hearty nebula]

hey hey

[misty mason]

And beat monsters to death with your detached magically levitating wang

[gusty orbit]

hey hey people

[hearty nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/sseth-ssethtzeentach-vibe-check-grab-gif-20363655

[misty mason]

I love that stupid game

[gusty orbit]

make your pp an astral weapon to kill gods

[misty mason]

Legit

[gusty orbit]

and then dive in chinese sword novels

[misty mason]

That is a thing you can do

[hearty nebula]

this is a standard technique that eunichs use

[ancient ivy]

Just play modded Elden Ring for that true RPG experience then throw in seamless for the MMO experience

[misty mason]

Kill an ancient flood dragon or phoenix with the power of your detached pp

[hearty nebula]

no lol

[misty mason]

(you can regrow your pp)

[hearty nebula]

souls combat kind of ass ngl

[tired isle]

Honestly Skyrim is still peak

[ancient ivy]

Skyrim combat

[hearty nebula]

skyrim is even worse

[ancient ivy]

Baseball bat combat go brrr

[misty mason]

I still want to make a female cultivator that has all 6 artifact slots unlocked and exclusively uses other men's detached wangs

[hearty nebula]

thats not even a joke

2h weapon? baseball bat stance

[gusty orbit]

i won't play skyrim ever again because i don't want to ruin it for my teenager self

[ancient ivy]

Rey from star wars literally stole Skyrim Combat as her saber style

[hearty nebula]

💀

[misty mason]

I cant wait for ES6 to be bad

[tired isle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-we-used-to-kill-people-with-hammers-for-saying-things-like-that-kill-people-with-hammers-hammers-gif-28854509168023063

[misty mason]

Poor Starfield

[ancient ivy]

Dark souls 3 and Elden Ring combat is decent enough but 1 and 2 is just too clunky for me

[tired isle]

I like Skyrim casting and bows, melee is meh

[ancient ivy]

Mean what’s so hard with animating wacky arm movements and flexing hands

[misty mason]

Starts out, this is shit
Plays for a while, oh ok I get this, its ok
players a while longer, this is shit

[tired isle]

I should pick up Horizon Zero Dawn again

Maybe get the new game

[gusty orbit]

seeing the state of bethesda rn, yeah, a perfectly ok assumption

[tired isle]

I like robots

[misty mason]

Man IDK if I would have the patience for the amount of open world busy work required for HZD

[ancient ivy]

There is a combat overhaul mod for Skyrim that brings some ARPG elements to the combat

[tired isle]

I haven’t beaten Prime Consort Radahn yet in ER, took a break months ago after like 50 tries

[misty mason]

I still havent played the expac

Its almost as expensive as the base game

[tired isle]

Messmer is an amazing boss

Best one in the game

Hands down

I will throw hands

[misty mason]

Yeah I know its supposed to be good

Its just spenny for DLC

[pine steeple]

Tbh Elden Ring base game is the only souls-type game I cannot bring myself to finish

[misty mason]

DS2 I've still never finished

Probably started it like 6 times

[hearty nebula]

sorry that im right

elden ring is barely acceptable

[misty mason]

DS2 feels like its trying to be difficult for the sake of difficulty

[pine steeple]

It is my "I did not enjoy The Godfather" of souls

[grizzled aspen]

Elden Ring is a great game if you can ignore the distance between good bosses.

[mossy tulip]

any changes to this? should i switch sustained fire to twbs

[pine steeple]

A lot of it slaps though

[mossy tulip]

this is for crit ds

[grizzled aspen]

Sustained assault is better than purge the unclean.

[mossy tulip]

also not sure if desperation is any good

[grizzled aspen]

Drop purge and anoint for sustained assault.

Also, no, not for crit ds.

[hearty nebula]

I mean

Yes and no

[grizzled aspen]

Your PA is how you maintain desperation value, and the ds PA's are all bad.

[hearty nebula]

DS intentionally hard as per usual

but DS2 got like scrapped & remade halfway through development

[misty mason]

Yeah I finished 1, 3 BB and ER

[hearty nebula]

and was crunched to hell and back

[misty mason]

2 feels different

[hearty nebula]

that game should not exist

its engine is also wildly different from all the other entries

[mossy tulip]

got it thanks

[tired isle]

But what about Godfrey? Did you even fight Godfrey

||/s||

[gusty orbit]

if you really feel like needing twbs you can change anoint in blood and purge the unclean for that, sustained assault is way too good to say no to it

[sterile stone]

@modern lintel

Big iron aquired

[modern lintel]

it def does work idk what the or where the caliber change does tho

[sterile stone]

Never used it on anyone yet

Just unlocked pripyat

So I can go grab the ultimate edition stuff

[modern lintel]

iv heard pripyat is point of no return supposedly

[misty mason]

Is that the rhino? Is it good? Also does it go in the pistol slot or primary?

[sterile stone]

Pistol

[misty mason]

neat

[sterile stone]

This is the deluxe edition version

The model competetor

[misty mason]

I expect its 5000 coupons per shot

[sterile stone]

Shoots 9x39

So it ain't cheap

[pine steeple]

Godfrey was cool

[sterile stone]

I came across a new faction

They wear this bluish grey camo

But they aren't mercs

Nor are they military

They sell a ton of great stuff

[misty mason]

Well jumped over to the stalker discord and found out pissgate is a thing

[sterile stone]

pls no

[modern lintel]

holy shit the acog i assum in pripyat

[sterile stone]

Yaniv

Not pripyat

So you can run there right off the jump

And go to the vendor

[modern lintel]

anything crazy needed to get in yaniv

[sterile stone]

Nah

I just ran here

[modern lintel]

shi thats where im going right this very instance then

[jagged cradle]

They ruined my little goober

[misty mason]

With the main quest currently broken I'm just roaming

[modern lintel]

whered it break for yours

[sterile stone]

Bro fuck my life, I open the door to Yaniv after leaving the vendor and this is what I'm greated with

[misty mason]

Quest after you talk with the ||colonel and scientist about the broken pda||

[modern lintel]

where is it yaniv btw @sterile stone

[sterile stone]

Yaniv is above the red forest

[misty mason]

Building that is clearly designed to be accessible upon quest stage is inaccessible

[modern lintel]

coolio

iv had problems w bots standing in doors or they just wont open a few times

[misty mason]

Yeah I think the patch is due this week so hopefully that resolves it

[modern lintel]

is their a guide their btw

[ivory marlin]

Guys

I need lore help

[sterile stone]

It's an absolute warzone out here wtf

[misty mason]

I wish the factions were better communicated

[sterile stone]

Yes funny enough

[ivory marlin]

So

[sterile stone]

Right near the bar/food vendor

[ivory marlin]

Im making a mtg deck with magnus

Tryna do goofy lore references, did he do anything like this

[modern lintel]

i love running from a compound just for an emission to hit exactly as im 100m away

[sterile stone]

@misty mason So I've got good news for you

Non-armor piercing ammo 2 shots exo suits in the chest

For the revolver

On Veteran

[gusty orbit]

nah, he did more something of the kind of being an idiot, got his planet razed to the ground and destroyed a galaxy spanning building project

[misty mason]

Sounds gud

How rare is the ammo

[ivory marlin]

Idk if there is a mtg card that does that

[modern lintel]

magnus was a special child

[sterile stone]

I should also say my revolver is fully maxed out upgrade wise

[ivory marlin]

Wait no there is

Uh

[misty mason]

If there's a stupid phone call card that suits Magnus best

[gusty orbit]

yeah, and i don't know anything about magic either lmao

[ivory marlin]

Kinda like this?

[modern lintel]

9x39 easy to come by just have to know which traders

[misty mason]

Buying ammo?

https://tenor.com/view/alexis-eww-gif-14885959

[sterile stone]

9x39 is also somewhat common as you progress the story

[elfin steppe]

Tf, I keep getting matched to the rolling steel.

I hate that map

[sterile stone]

More enemies use AS VALs and VSSs

[zinc talon]

god I just adore WCM randomizing squaddies' gear

[modern lintel]

me buying 30k worth of 9x39 that last me like 2 story missions

[zinc talon]

this slayed me

[sterile stone]

Oi yah blimey get off me propperty

[sterile stone]

I need to do more testing to see if the revolver actually does 2 shot or did I shoot a pre damaged enemy

[visual compass]

He has a walking cane

Lmao

[misty mason]

Skifftol is a monster for headshots

[gusty orbit]

i guess that could kinda work with his massive fuck up, for more context, he was told not to use his psychic powers to talk with the emperor in a certain place, he felt he needed to do so to avoid some apocalypse drama 40k thing, he used his powers and destroyed an important project xd

[misty mason]

And freeish repairs so it'll be hard to pass up

[sterile stone]

@modern lintel Got any idea what flat damage type is?

[ivory marlin]

Didn’t that open an eye of terror type thing

Pre heresy

Like right before it

[modern lintel]

i think its literally just the so the bullet doesnt drop over distance

i dont think it effects dmg

[misty mason]

And by important project its basically one of the primary dominos that put the imperium into its current state

[gusty orbit]

nah, just opened a hell portal right in the palace of terra, no biggie, which consumed all of the emperor's time and led to the heresy becoming the problem it became

[ivory marlin]

Honestly its the god emps fault for not fully telling magnus how grave the situation was

[fleet zealot]

baby

[ivory marlin]

Aw

Baby

[misty mason]

Emps was trying to more or less work out webway travel, which would mean no more warp jumps
Magnus basically turned this safe travel option into a super demon portal under terra

[gusty orbit]

yeah, his fault for treating his genetic sons like puppets and less than mere tools to his ends but eh, magnus was also a big moron

[misty mason]

And means that the golden throne serves as a beacon and a big ol lid for the super demon portal

[ivory marlin]

He was tryna warn emp of horus

[misty mason]

Just as planned

[fleet zealot]

maybe he should have told magnus, one of the strongest psykers

[ivory marlin]

Real

[elfin steppe]

Is this even working?

[sterile stone]

Means I can slap an acog on the comp and snipe with it then

[elfin steppe]

I'm pretty sure It's always empty

[misty mason]

Magnus was supposed to not be using his psyker abilities at all while empy worked this out

[ivory marlin]

I still think magnus did nothing wrong

[fleet zealot]

magnus is an idiot but I blame space wolves before magnus

[gusty orbit]

easily believed that magnus is the strongest psyker in lore after the emperor and his right hand, i dont remember the name, the old man

[fleet zealot]

only because the space wolves lied about the thousand sons, in front of the emperor, to try to ban psykinetic power use

[misty mason]

Malcador

[ivory marlin]

The emps right hand comes off?

[misty mason]

If you mean empy

[gusty orbit]

yeah malcador that

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil4-your-right-hand-comes-off-right-hand-leon-leon-s-kennedy-gif-21862101

[fleet zealot]

while Big E and Malcador are both psykers, but sure

go ahead and ban it big E!

[misty mason]

Ahriman if you mean magnus

I think empy didn't want it anyway cause he knew it would be poking the warp

[fleet zealot]

he even knew the space wolves were lying lol pack russ into the gay baby jail

[gusty orbit]

yeah both did massive fuck ups right there and then

[rocky nacelle]

you're small time

[ivory marlin]

So true

[gusty orbit]

the legendary horde killer

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil4-resident_evil_4-leon-no-thanks-bro-bro-gif-21384379

[jagged cradle]

It’s not even the Ironhelm!!!!

[fleet zealot]

his whole legion needs to be locked into a dog kennel until they decide to act like humans again

and not a pack of alcoholic dogs

[elfin steppe]

[gusty orbit]

spoiler they won't

i like horus heresy because it's like future trunks timeline, everything that could go wrong and more, went wrong

[misty mason]

Someone just needs to gave angron a hug and some headpats and he'll turn loyalist again

[fleet zealot]

they should've just put down angron if they couldn't find a way to fix him

[gusty orbit]

they can't patch the dissociation glitch

[fleet zealot]

but Big E wanted tool and weapon first, functional son second

also i call BS that the advanced tech of Big E had access to was stumped by some nails

[gusty orbit]

angron just needed a bit of macgufinite emperor tech, problem solved

[fleet zealot]

also the whole, not letting angron save his people when Big E came and picked him up

[sterile stone]

@modern lintel This is about as good as it gets til I find a drum mag for the saiga

[fleet zealot]

like there's no reason not to let him lol, he's a fucking primarch, what is that under developed society going to do to him, give him some scratches?

[misty mason]

How's those repair costs

[modern lintel]

same armor im using rn

[gusty orbit]

the traitor primarchs are just full of plot holes

[misty mason]

They all need a tragedy element to them

So traitor players can be like, they were right ackshully

[sterile stone]

Corundum is about as good as it gets non exo suit wise

[fleet zealot]

i don't think omegon and alpharius are tragedies

just their legions in the current 40k is

[modern lintel]

also i found expansive shotgun shells earlier theyre v good @sterile stone

[gusty orbit]

ah for fucks sake

[sterile stone]

Slugs?

[modern lintel]

their flechete

[sterile stone]

Where the helle did you find Flechette?

[modern lintel]

idk i have 12 of them rn

[sterile stone]

Those are rare as hell

I'd hold onto those

[misty mason]

Me using default ammo 100% of the time cause I'm too smooth brained to switch 😎

(Also the semi auto 8 round shotty murders pretty much everything)

[gusty orbit]

other than omegon and alpharius, which mind you, im actually alpharius, mortarion, the edgy blue dude, angron, to some length horus and the silver armor primarch had weird stories going on

[modern lintel]

im still not sure why the apsb pistol has such insane penetration for a 9x18mm gun

[gusty orbit]

but that's just horus heresy being horus heresy, a plot to sell more books because it doesn't make that much cohesive sense

[misty mason]

I do find it funny that I have a max stamina artifact and only then does stamina feel remotely reasonable

[modern lintel]

i have 3 med weight artifacts for maxium pack muleing

[fleet zealot]

i think people also see all the horus heresy content and overthink stuff

[misty mason]

How's those rads stalker

[fleet zealot]

or the community takes a trait/thing and runs it into the ground

like "ooo secret loyalist alpha legion"

[modern lintel]

we dont believe in those around here

[misty mason]

Oh yeah I've got that countering my stamina rads

[fleet zealot]

i'm reporting all stalkers to the fbi

[fleet zealot]

[modern lintel]

iv also got a compass for max psychical protection but that one i had to buy a lead container in the rads off it were too much

[misty mason]

I want to make room for more artifacts but the upgrades are so expensive and repairs incorrectly factor in upgrades to cost

[elfin steppe]

Nowadays, people are more concerned about how the story is presented instead of the story itself.

[misty mason]

So im just using those two plus the bullet sponge ball artifact

[modern lintel]

chat

[sterile stone]

That's cursed

[rocky nacelle]

no

[lunar fable]

https://tenor.com/view/feliz-mavidad-roblox-face-man-face-among-us-amongus-sing-spanish-song-gif-27627931

[gusty orbit]

my favorite warhammer propaganda image, tainted, killed like this

[sterile stone]

@modern lintel

[modern lintel]

you find some or buy it

[sterile stone]

Guy in Yaniv sells it

Had to rest like 5 times

But he sells a ton of expansive and ap ammo

[modern lintel]

9x39 expansive aswell or

[sterile stone]

I didn't even check

I just mass purchased the ammo

And tossed it in my stash

He sells 9x39 flat

And 5.56 ap

[zinc talon]

in the old titles, the vendors cycled every single time you loaded a save

[sterile stone]

I wish it were like that now

[zinc talon]

and their inventory and %s to have available were text files and easily edited

oh, no dice? welp just thought to mention

it could be if you exit to main menu then come back, they'll cycle

(I am such a save scummy loot goblin)

[sterile stone]

Yeah it seems rare they sell REALLY good ammo

[modern lintel]

holy shit the acog can actually go on the groza hallelujah

[sterile stone]

But when they do

It's in small quantities

[zinc talon]

yeah in that case in the old titles, they'd have x number of boxes available and then a .1 chance to have any of them available