zealot-class

[placid fiber]

The ferret yeeting itself, since no one else will

[bitter anvil]

Posting rogue legacy 2

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[placid fiber]

Still can't believe I went through NG+3 in 1 go

I was gaming

[copper hawk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3c3196-e387-4052-94a1-3360595a1901/up-to-no-good

[placid fiber]

NG+4 is kicking my ass tho >.>

[jagged cradle]

I hate your naming sometimes

[copper hawk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d875eba-172e-42c3-8ff3-da7e9a67dcc5/my-guilty-chord-13-pleasure

[violet hornet]

At least they aren't completely nya-ified like most of his messages here

[jagged cradle]

I’d prefer that…

[copper hawk]

Ive been running this lately

[jagged cradle]

Gross stun grenades

[violet hornet]

Aren't stun grenades and chorus kinda redundant

[vague depot]

Anything for the penance

[violet hornet]

Even if you wanted grenades you're probably better off with immo since you can hold enemies stunned in the flames with chorus

[violet hornet]

What in the fuck

[grizzled aspen]

shorb...

[south grove]

does this look real

[copper hawk]

Point tax

[grizzled aspen]

Please tell me this also includes standard adm nerfs.

[sullen forge]

So that’s the buff they were talking about

[copper hawk]

I have to take stun grenades to use other chorus nodes without dropping anything relaly important

[south grove]

yep yep

it's real

[grizzled aspen]

Oh Tintin is just evil.

[copper hawk]

Like duellist or sustained assault

[violet hornet]

Real enough if I'm not able to compare it to real patchnotes at the time for sure

[copper hawk]

So i have to go stuns in order to take the chorus nodes

[sullen forge]

LMAO

[grizzled aspen]

It isn't real, gentlemen.

Tintin literally typed it up in Google docs for misinformationmaxxing.

[south grove]

hey man I thought it'd be funny

[copper hawk]

But yah stuns are redundant

[violet hornet]

I don't lie I dont even remember what nodes on the left at the top of the tree are at this point lmao

[sullen forge]

No it’s real

[violet hornet]

Restundant

[copper hawk]

But i need 2 take stuns to be able to take both right side of tree

And a chorus node

Duh whole ponto..

[violet hornet]

Just go directly down the center of the tree

[copper hawk]

Nope

[grizzled aspen]

You know pathing through tknives saves you two points right?

[copper hawk]

I will not !

But i dont want 2 use knives

Too boring

[south grove]

what if I made a fake reddit account and posted it

wouldn't that be funny now

[grizzled aspen]

Also with chorus do you really need to use until death?

[bitter anvil]

Do it

[copper hawk]

Yah

[violet hornet]

Do iiit

[copper hawk]

Especially w shitter teammates

[grizzled aspen]

Just go "ooga booga heretic, the Emperor fucking hates you," and you won't die.

[bitter anvil]

I once post the Xbox reinforcement and I get warn and mod deleted

[copper hawk]

Without twbs u can be knocked out of chorus

[placid fiber]

[copper hawk]

And randoms dont prioritize incapped teammates in pubs

So twbs can save u in a situation where u wipe cuz u get netted or dogged

Hm,,

This does get me thinking,,

No..

[placid fiber]

Stop, you're hurting ur brain

[grand tangle]

number go up = good, right?

[grizzled aspen]

Femboys don't think.

[bronze linden]

I am normally a Vet but ZEALOTS GETTING POWER SWORDS NOW.
(Sorry for all caps).

Might actually get me to be serious about playing zealot.

[grizzled aspen]

All they know is thirst trap, be gay, and shitpost.

[sullen forge]

Drop Veteran

In fact no

Nerf veteran

There’s only 3 classes now

Zealot Psyker and Ogryn

[placid fiber]

Exactly

[bronze linden]

Lol

[placid fiber]

Delete veteran

[sullen forge]

Any mention of a 4th class results in instant ban

[grand tangle]

when do we get skitarii class

[sullen forge]

Ban him

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-cute-cat-gif-14074577

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-attack-gif-24550066

[grand tangle]

give me skitarii class with a radium carbine and cogaxe for unique weapons

[merry flume]

skitarii toilet

[grand tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-chef-joji-kill-it-stop-it-gif-16562853

[placid fiber]

I actually had to google what a skitarii was lol

Basically... a veteran tech priest...?

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-meme-warhammer-meme-40k-tabletop-simulator-gif-25181043

[bitter anvil]

Servant of tech priest

[grand tangle]

skitarii fight as a sort of pseudo hivemind under control of their techpriest masters

they can be promoted and whatnot, but during missions they are close to servitors

[violet hornet]

Admech's foot soldiers essentially

[sullen forge]

Skitarii Toilet or Grox

[violet hornet]

Typically they have cybernetics and shit

[placid fiber]

So... the step above a servitor? lol

[grand tangle]

no, skitarii are specifically warriors under techpriests and not servitors or other kind of servant

[grand tangle]

the mechanicum as a whole would be a hivemind if they could do that across planets

[placid fiber]

o_o'

[grand tangle]

each forgeworld has an internet and mechanicum hivemind

[violet hornet]

Yeah they have more agency than a servitor and I'm pretty sure they're not dead or rotting like the typical servitor

[placid fiber]

Sounds like half of twitch chat... only... twitch chat is still worse off...

[grand tangle]

they can also have the subservience programming removed and be promoted to a position of greater control and agency

but the mechanicus also does not have a universal rank structure

[grand tangle]

skitarii really does just mean warrior under a techpriest

(and not a servitor)

[stone fern]

@frosty herald

[frosty herald]

genuinely everything was going so well

[placid fiber]

Sounds like the average barbarian... >.>

[stone fern]

also

[placid fiber]

Only more tech savvy

[grand tangle]

hot take: the mechnicus is still a technobarbarian cult

[bitter anvil]

Sad day

[drifting wolf]

closer to an ant with a gun following the orders of its toaster queen

[frosty herald]

it does look like well go through the rooftops of carnival

[stone fern]

regular take they get the rope last after all the aliens and heretics

[violet hornet]

Damnit I wanna see more snowy void levels

[grand tangle]

no, the psykers do

[placid fiber]

Again: You're making it sound like the intelligent version of twitch chat...

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/חרפא-yolo-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-aragorn-gif-23051447

[grand tangle]

we'll need the psykers to fly around and make sure the cogboys are dead

[stone fern]

thats after the webway

[south grove]

added an additional blurb

read it

[bitter anvil]

Post on Reddit

A laughing stock pic would be 100%

[grand tangle]

this is forged isn't it

[placid fiber]

You forgot that they also tripled the damage as well

[south grove]

yes it is

[violet hornet]

If you do post this you have to share if a vet detonates themselves from that first line lol

[grand tangle]

lol

post on reddit pls

[stone fern]

this is not real

[merry flume]

its real

[bitter anvil]

Is real

[placid fiber]

Reddit would have a field day

[bitter anvil]

[south grove]

it's real

in my mind

[bitter anvil]

Is all in your head

[placid fiber]

Story of my life...

[frosty herald]

guys guys

[violet hornet]

Put one of these above or below and it'll be even more convincing

[frosty herald]

it does have to be believable

[placid fiber]

Yeah, we need to make the carapace 200% instead of 150%

[frosty herald]

lower the multipliers by like half

and remove the no explosion

[violet hornet]

Don't forget some italics reasoning lines

[frosty herald]

people need to believe it instead of it being obvious bait

[violet hornet]

Or subsection titles rather

[placid fiber]

I mean if we post it on reddit... there's gonna be belieberz

[bitter anvil]

Yeah

[placid fiber]

Just sayin

[south grove]

people don't read

silly

[frosty herald]

nah

just lower the multipliers a bit

people will see a 3x multiplier and think its fake

[bitter anvil]

Do trolling on Reddit spreading misinformation is funny

Soydit people spying

[south grove]

no one in general chat knows me

I'll post it there

[placid fiber]

Madam le ferret

[grizzled aspen]

No image perms in genchat.

[placid fiber]

Hell... that ferret should be the president...

The candidets aren't any smarter lol

[south grove]

oh

that sucks

[placid fiber]

Get skele to put it in there

[sterile stone]

Heretic

[bitter anvil]

True brotha

[violet hornet]

Shrimply learn discord markdown

[south grove]

wait the font feels off

there we go

[placid fiber]

Now gib me 3 beers so I can beliebe!!!

[fleet zealot]

wait they

buffed plasma

[south grove]

it's real (100%)

[fleet zealot]

oh thank the god emperor

[placid fiber]

That's the spirit! BELIEVE!!!!

In Sir Pepperoni!

(the VI'th)

[south grove]

did it look convincing?

I did this in like

4-5 minutes on google docs

just kinda absentmindedly copied the thunder hammer change from UnL

[modern lintel]

did they post notes already

[south grove]

no

[limpid oyster]

dead chat now

[sullen forge]

Just a “slight” buff LMAO

[placid fiber]

[sullen forge]

You’re going to gaslight half of Veteran chat with that

[south grove]

they know

I got the numbers from them

[sullen forge]

Just wait till the update drops or

Well

The weapon log

[south grove]

I'll wait a couple hours

have the new people look at it

[south grove]

YO

LMFAO

THE XBOX GENERAL CHAT ALLOWS ATTACHMENTS

[placid fiber]

Man... I know I should play some Darktide... but... there's still more blacksmith blueprints to find in rogue legacy 2...

[south grove]

[sullen forge]

No

You wouldn’t

[sour oxide]

sd

[south grove]

hi grandpa

[placid fiber]

This is Tintin we're talking about... of course he would...

[south grove]

nevermind

it's dead asf

1-2 messages a day

😭

[visual stream]

Vet chat: "ONLY 200% unyielding??"

[placid fiber]

You're going to gaslight all of those... 1 or 2 xboxers...

[visual stream]

BILLIONS must plasma

[south grove]

I need to wait for this to die down first

too many people knows about this rn

[bitter anvil]

[placid fiber]

Just remember: Sir Pepperoni approves!

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[violet hornet]

The font they use is called "Ubuntu", you can find it under "more fonts" in google docs

[south grove]

fixed it

[placid fiber]

I was in vet chat for... like... 45 seconds... God that was way too long x.x

I already feel dumber

[misty mason]

God reddit has been such a treasure trove recently

[sullen forge]

@south grove

You know what to do

[placid fiber]

Damn it tin tin, you made me spend 30 more seconds in Vet chat! @south grove

[sullen forge]

Post it on Reddit

Lmao

[placid fiber]

[autumn vector]

Obviously this for vet. https://youtu.be/e8paxg3MZUE?si=x24YD_U83AgDgO4k but most the time I can't decide if this tuber has good or bad takes. I don't think you need to be a meta slave to do well in auric. At the same time not all his reasoning is bad.

[sullen forge]

God it hurts being a Vet main

[south grove]

but that takes effort

I need to make a new account and everything

ughh

is there a karma requirement?

[sullen forge]

A what requirement

[south grove]

idk sometimes when I spread misinfo they don't allow me to post stuff

always said "karma too low" or smth like that

[placid fiber]

It hurts my brain being in Vet chat. x.x

[carmine falcon]

bro @frosty herald have you tried SM2 astrates overhaul?

[frosty herald]

Nah

[sullen forge]

Why

[carmine falcon]

ok look at his shit
bro fixed assault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u3gidmyxXM

why do random modders improve gameplay faster than devs

[violet hornet]

Tbf I do agree with the balancing philosophy that if something is absolutely necessary on a build it should either be inherent or changed

[sullen forge]

Because they’re passionate

Unlike devs

[sterile basalt]

Tanner is like
70% decent takes
30% bad takes

If you’re strictly looking for solid info, then he’s wrong just enough of the time to be written off completely

But if you’re ok with him being wrong (and you can consciously disagree with him on that without falling into either extremes), then watching him is alr

[carmine falcon]

i looked up the mod page
massively buffs all bolters and melee
adds new funny shit
makes the ai director even crazier

[placid fiber]

Not really, I'm meme-ing more than anything lol

[sullen forge]

As much as I hate to say it

I’d rather the game spam tides of nids at me if my gun literally turns a shit ton of them into red mist

[sterile basalt]

The worst people are those that watch him and take his words as gospel truth because they just aren’t correct lol

[sullen forge]

The classic

Uncanny is bad argument

Truly peak

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[modern lintel]

the tannerling talking abt gunner dmg resist in veg chat earlier

[visual stream]

I mean he's right about thrust being necessary but uh

[autumn vector]

I have a friend who keeps pushing space marine. He used to play darktide. I know they're different but imo sm2 multi-player is dog shit compared to darktide. They would need to do a lot to make me bother with it.

[carmine falcon]

thats what ive been saying
during the "Bad update" they broke ai director and game was spawning 1 trillion mobs and elites and guess what
KEEP THAT, make health pools smaller, BUFF bolters and melee dmg
boom solved it for you now hire me

[visual stream]

Subpar is certainly a word for it

[carmine falcon]

i love SM2 but darktide is just better mechanically

sm2 has different appeal tho

like entire different appeal

[sullen forge]

That and it was stupid how trash instantly ate armor

[sterile basalt]

I can have hot takes from time to time but I don’t expect anyone to take my words as gospel truth even when I do know a lot about the game

[sullen forge]

With how it is now

It’s WAY better armor wise

[plush estuary]

like desperation

[sterile basalt]

Desperation can be good

[bitter anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254313274325995570/1286452588224708718/caption.gif

[visual stream]

Knife loves desparation

[modern lintel]

i remember when being in fire for a millisecond would obliterate toughess

[visual stream]

PA spam

[placid fiber]

I mean... darktide as a core concept was built around multiplayer... Was space marine 2? Because I feel like it probably wasn't

[spare talon]

like how i disagree with maniac on a lot of melee weapons

[carmine falcon]

at least u can regen armor with piss easy parries now
they just need to work on leting u push FORWARD more and backwards less, i shouldnt be dodging and parrying to avoid insta death i should be use ing them as tools comfortably

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[visual stream]

I remember when Ironhelm only cleaved three enemies at most 👴

[sterile basalt]

That’s more preference than anything tbh

[visual stream]

I remember when our talents were the same as the shitty VT2 talents

[placid fiber]

I remember when you had to light attack with the crucis for horde clear...

[sterile basalt]

My “hot take” is like

Field improv is good but usually not worth

[modern lintel]

chat should i stay up all night for stalker or sleep and play it in the morning

[carmine falcon]

SM2 is very much built around co op
even campaign is 10x worse solo
the difference is darktide is the product of a studio that's been perfecting their formula for 15 years? and SM2 is a throwback to x360 unga bunga shooters so its inherently less complex

[placid fiber]

Ah

[spare talon]

but thats still an instance where your word could be taken as gospel, when it isnt and depends on the person

[autumn vector]

Tanner seems a ok sounding board i guess and is probably a better source of info than 90% of YouTube content on darktide. I guess they're a good source for vapid takes on how to a super sweat.

[sullen forge]

The veteran main experience

[autumn vector]

Man yt is shit for darktide.

[sterile basalt]

If you strictly want concrete info, youtube is not the place to be

[north sedge]

Tanner sucks weewee

[bitter anvil]

Go ogryn chat

[modern lintel]

me every time iv tried to get para to play vet

[sterile basalt]

Kuli has a bunch of great detailed guides

[bitter anvil]

Ogryn has cooler area room

[sterile basalt]

I think my guide is fairly objective for the most part

[misty mason]

Typo fixed

[placid fiber]

I mean... my last major solo clutch was in an auric maelstrom as my oggy... <.<

I still remember the adrenaline...

[bitter anvil]

On what difficulty

[sterile basalt]

I mostly just answer veteran-related questions tbh I’m not authoritative in any way for zealot

[autumn vector]

I've yet to find a better source than this discord.

[placid fiber]

5, pox gas specialist waves, mutie waves, hunting grounds

[sterile basalt]

Kuli’s steam guides, trust

[bitter anvil]

Wow

[sterile basalt]

Also I’m migrating my guide to steam (work in progress)

[hexed igloo]

I just hit my head against the wall until I figure it out

[placid fiber]

And I was in a server with 150-200 ping

[bitter anvil]

Unfortunate

[placid fiber]

Yam dragged me and argus into it lol

[autumn vector]

This is far. I just feel like sm2 in general dropped a pretty massive ball on its coop mp.

[bitter anvil]

[placid fiber]

I played my fucking heart out... I took 2.2k damage and only downed one time, which was during the assassination boss fight x.x

[lunar fable]

I used to play with a guy in eu

I'm on nae

[placid fiber]

God that is hard on me, though x.x

[carmine falcon]

tanner is probably a dumbass to people who know the game inside out but out of all the people i watched he is one of the few who SHOWS THINGS step by step in training area so at least i can see wtf he's talking about
also him being calmer in recent videos makes him mroe watchable
his vids on space marine are unwatachable

[autumn vector]

I need to get mod that just let's me test everything myself again n the psycharium.

[bitter anvil]

I played on tox gas environment and i down twice as psyker and path.exe see me as a bad player. 😔

[placid fiber]

I mean with pox gas psykers are basically tissue paper and I think yam was one of the psykers lol

[full nebula]

Who wants to take bets, that power swords will still be slower time to kill than duelling sword if they don't release a balance patch.

[sterile basalt]

U then played a regular smelter complex and died twice

From poxwalkers

[placid fiber]

Honestly they'll still be cool af

[sterile basalt]

What’s with this word twisting

[placid fiber]

I swear I had like... 20 muties run right through me

and like 5 get me outside of the grab range

150-200 ping is wild lol

Still... with friends... it was still fun even tho it was 11/10 for the stress level

[south grove]

you had like

32 melee kills

take out your melee please

and put smite down

probably

[autumn vector]

Tbh I feel bad for dueling sword pysker enjoyers. It was a bit op but kept in line by the class. On zealot and vet? Way to strong. Shit would probably be one of the strongest melee on ogyrn as well. Point is unless they buff other stuff I feel like nerd inevitable.

[sterile basalt]

It was low intensity pox gas too lol

[full nebula]

I don't think it's that busted if you don't use fury of the faithful

[rough galleon]

the proper term is light gas

[bitter anvil]

I hate gas puffing like nurgle fard entire vicinity.

[placid fiber]

<.<'

[rough galleon]

minor gastric distress

[full nebula]

It's a better knife if you don't use ff

[rough galleon]

just some toots

[sterile basalt]

Yea, idk why u died twice in a regular smelter complex game then

[bitter anvil]

There was trapper got me on stair when I was shooting down burgle

That’s only one

[sterile basalt]

Too bad

[bitter anvil]

You don’t trust me playing with you

[placid fiber]

Yeah burgles suck

[placid fiber]

I trust you more than randos any day of the century

[autumn vector]

It's pretty bonkers with all three keystones.

[placid fiber]

and I haven't even played with you lol

[full nebula]

I guess but ff just gives 1shots on anything, and 12-15k damage charges, much harder without it

[autumn vector]

Marty rending d4 is stupid.

[placid fiber]

Like... even the bad new players in this discord... are probably better than the randos I've seen...

[bitter anvil]

If I queue with path I get bad luck and double down worse teaming with Gale if he see me bad playing

[full nebula]

It's the combo of damage and the nature of the weapon, and the way you don't have to risk yourself like with knife

[placid fiber]

I mean... I'm literally hit or miss due to my adhd. I can play at a god-tier level one run, then die to something stupid the next

[bitter anvil]

Then two them gonna block me after all

Just seeing me shit playing

[south grove]

you should be trapped in the first place?

there's a trapper

you kill it first

I'm bad at the game but I can still manage that

[bitter anvil]

It was silent

[placid fiber]

that net that was aimed at your teammate that gets you cause you dodged:

[south grove]

download spidey sense?

[autumn vector]

Get spidey sense mod.

[south grove]

you have so many cosmetics mod and zero performance ones

[placid fiber]

Yeah spidey sense helps a lot

[bitter anvil]

No, that is first time get silent trapper I was focus downstairs shooting burgle

[placid fiber]

It has made my life so much easier x.x

[autumn vector]

It's not cheating when the devs can't be bothered to fix audio qs.

[bitter anvil]

I don’t get silent trapper maybe different session

[lunar fable]

I died to two silent ragers

Yesterday

[bitter anvil]

I also got downed by silent crusher

[lunar fable]

Cause I was focusing on a burgle

[placid fiber]

Then again... If I see a trapper icon(the spidey sense) I end up stopping what I am doing and hard focusing the trapper...

It's literally built into me

[south grove]

you can't call everything silent

I think I get the gist of it now

silent enemies exist but you're not seeing them anyways

you're tunnel visioning so fucking hard

[bitter anvil]

When I just focus shooting on elite Enemy at distance out of crusher behind jumpscare attack me

[south grove]

stop tunnel visioning

[placid fiber]

I have that problem lol

[autumn vector]

Spidey sense literally fixes all silent enemy issues.

[south grove]

how did you let it get behind you?

[bitter anvil]

I don’t hear trapper tho on the stair

[placid fiber]

On top of that I have perception issues for my vision

[south grove]

lmao

[placid fiber]

those + tunnel vision = rough times

[full nebula]

There's definitely some audio issues, I've had points of no audio poxbusters until they're midflight

[placid fiber]

Still... the vision issues affect games like rogue legacy more, due to projectiles being more of an issue

[bitter anvil]

I was standing behind door closed some guy open and I didn’t see crusher ahead then I look back shooting elite with helbore with 2 team killing it and out of know where crusher slam rock on me and the dude didn’t warn me near the door

[autumn vector]

https://tenor.com/view/knocking-head-stupid-gif-22346679

Spidey sense. Get it.

[south grove]

that's called tunnel visioning

[placid fiber]

Been there...

[south grove]

I know you have like 3 different crash inducing cosmetic mods

just install spidey sense

it ain't that hard

[placid fiber]

Damn it guys, somehow talking with you is making me want to play more rogue legacy 2

[full nebula]

I can't train my brain to use visuals like that, it's 2 late

[bitter anvil]

I do still have awareness from my ears is just they don’t have audio crusher shout “YAAARGH”

[full nebula]

Fat snark fix audio plz

[bitter anvil]

It was unforeseen they silently smack rock overhead at me

[south grove]

turn back and look around you?

INSTALL SPIDEY SENSE

[full nebula]

I've also had no audio maulers and whatnot, only indication was when the overhead started coming down lol.

[autumn vector]

Dodge slide is your friend

[bitter anvil]

No it was behind me at the door when the guy opening it, just dark room one you drop down from tall area for viral extraction mission

[south grove]

okay so how many people does it take to get lasagna pizza to install spidey sense

[bitter anvil]

I don’t wanna install complexity stuff

[sterile basalt]

he's not willing to improve, it's fine

[zealous basin]

install cheats

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-bombsd-bombs-fill-his-stocking-with-bombs-christmas-gif-9317622027084449801

[zealous basin]

i have improved

[autumn vector]

Complexity? It adds flashy colors to your screen. Flashy color bad. Kill flashy color.

[zealous basin]

[south grove]

I'm half deaf

[zealous basin]

cool im not

[south grove]

let me have my hearing aid

[zealous basin]

okay u can have it

[full nebula]

But the screens already a visual clusterfuck a lot of times

[placid fiber]

Oof...

[south grove]

I've dealt with worse huds before

it ain't that bad

[autumn vector]

I use crit flamer just so I never have to reload to harm screens like yours.

[full nebula]

Nah not the hud, everything else flying across the screen

[autumn vector]

Next your going to say you play with head Bob and motion blur.

[full nebula]

Yes to both

Isn't that the superior way?

[autumn vector]

Lost cause, you do you boo boo.

[full nebula]

The long and short is if the game functioned properly, we wouldn't need mods to compensate

[sterile basalt]

I haven't noticed too many audio problems recently

[autumn vector]

I notice them a lot less with spidey sense. The visual aid makes me not notice the silent trapper. Mainly because is see that sickly yellow color and desire blood.

[sterile basalt]

I think spidey sense mod just looks ugly on screen

[bitter anvil]

Yeah

[full nebula]

Too much shit going on as is, mixed in with trash whatnot looking for visual indicators

[autumn vector]

Can't you edit to be almost whatever you want in terms of looks?

[sterile basalt]

it's all in the middle of the screen

if it was looking like
high alert from COD (edge of screen)

I think I'd consider it

[spare talon]

this may be the first time a woman has ever said this to me

[autumn vector]

Pretty sure there is just an audio alert mod to. Also one that puts a text alert on the side of your screen.

[blissful frigate]

That is not advisable.

[twilit cloak]

what would y'all say is the best anti-crusher gun for zealot?

[shell lichen]

The emperor has no plans for companionship for you, only for the killing of heretics.

[modern lintel]

im sure kez tried

[autumn vector]

Revolver can one tap headshot.

With right setup

[twilit cloak]

I assume surgical with the rending on crit? Yeah, I've never been able to get it to one-tap

[full nebula]

Bolter is another good option for magdumping on armored

[spare talon]

revolver with +carapace, surgical/handcannon, and anoint and a duellist proc one taps them
bolter with with puncture shattering is an ensured 4 tap as long as like 2 shots were to the head i think

[full nebula]

Just don't shoot bulwark shields because they don't stagger like they used to really, better to wait for an opening

[sterile basalt]

boltgun takes 5 (4 + bleed) unless u run anoint in blood

[spare talon]

heres the crusher one tap

[twilit cloak]

what do you mean anoint and a duelist proc? I'm a bit lost

[spare talon]

oh wait that was the KNIFE ONE

[twilit cloak]

LMAO WHAT

[twilit cloak]

oh that anoint ok

[autumn vector]

Grenades benefit from active weapon buffa.

Knife is are Grenade.

Rending shredders on vet with d4 isn't bad either.

[full nebula]

They're buffing plasma gun too apparently

[spare talon]

actually i think im tripping

[twilit cloak]

aintnoway they're buffing plasma

[full nebula]

Yep

[spare talon]

i dont think revolver can one shot them

[blissful frigate]

based based

[spare talon]

THAT WAS A JOKE

THAT WAS A JOKE POST

THEY ARENT BUFFING PLASMA

100 cleave to 150 should have been an obvious giveaway

[autumn vector]

Mebe it's two? I might be thinking of prenerf handcannon.

[spare talon]

probably

i got 3156 just now

[twilit cloak]

I'd rather magdump with a bolter. I don't trust myself to do crit headshots when a pack of crushers are charging at me

[spare talon]

but throwing knives can as you can see

with the same setup

[twilit cloak]

[spare talon]

tknives have a higher total damage to the head on a crit than revolver does, so when you give them 60% rending and a bunch of buffs they just kinda die

[twilit cloak]

and yes knifes are silly. I remember using them with uncanny for hilarious effect but that seems to be patched out now

[spare talon]

it is not

[twilit cloak]

really? huh.

[autumn vector]

Narp

[spare talon]

that exact same effect is what im using in that video

[autumn vector]

They would have to fix the spaghetti Lua for that.

[spare talon]

forcing the tknife to crit with surgical, and making the knife have rending with handcannon cuz it crit

[twilit cloak]

well, same issue. in a big messy fight I'd rather take the brainless option

[full nebula]

Nah they should buff plasma so something can keep up with ds4

[twilit cloak]

man people are really heated up over the dueling sword huh

[full nebula]

@twilit cloak just run bolter, shattering impact puncture, unyielding/carapace

[spare talon]

yes
i am

[gleaming furnace]

Yea the streamers got everyone all riled up

[autumn vector]

What other buffs coming? Hope they don't nerf my flashlight vet, recon last go brrt.

They should buff stubbers.

[full nebula]

@twilit cloak and if you throw a throwing knife while switching to bolter it'll skip the animation

[spare talon]

that too

[twilit cloak]

the wielding animation? good to know

[spare talon]

its muscle memory now for me

[visual compass]

What blessings and perks should I use for the shock maul again?

Don't harp me just answer

[gleaming furnace]

But will the knife apply brittleness/bleed (assuming the blessings are there ofc)

[hard nexus]

skullcrusher high voltage/trauma

[full nebula]

Skull crusher and zappy damage

[hard nexus]

well you should use an actually good build

:3

[visual compass]

I'm having fun with things rn

[spare talon]

can it get trauma? though it had hammerblow

[twilit cloak]

is it a good idea to run flak instead of unyielding? cuz I wanna get rid of maulers too

[hard nexus]

oh

yeah that

impact blessing

whatever

[sterile basalt]

skullcrusher + falter

[twilit cloak]

this is to pair with a devil claw sword so I really need something to fuck up armor

[spare talon]

hammerblow hits stagger breakpoints for skullcrusher

[full nebula]

Yeah you can, won't be as good on bosses what have you

Bulwarks

[sterile basalt]

falter does the same thing without stacking

hammerblow gives rager stagger at 5 stacks

on weakspot hit

falter gives u rager weakspot stagger without any prep

[visual compass]

Well if I'm playing zealot and already taking the stagger perks

Do I need to take Falter?

[sterile basalt]

am not sure if grievous wounds is enough

I think not?

[visual compass]

I have GW and Hammer of Faith

[twilit cloak]

Falter is only really for ragers

[visual compass]

And then Punishment

All the impact boosts

[spare talon]

its still going to take 3 shots regardless whether you hit the head or body with or without a flak perk on a puncture/shatter bolter

plus the perk only applies while the gun is in your hand

[visual compass]

What perks though would serve best?

[sterile basalt]

because it's only 13.625 maniac stagger on weakspot and rager has 25 stagger resist (weakspot) and needs at least 6 stagger to break combo

[gleaming furnace]

Punishment is a meme unless you’re just paying the piety tax

[sterile basalt]

not enough still

[spare talon]

also unyielding for beast of nurgle

fuck beast of nurgle

brittle bleed that bastard

[twilit cloak]

oh I'm bringing my hammer if I'm doing the event mission

that's not a concern for me

[visual compass]

I've been doing so much Ogryn for bursting the BON in 10 secs

[spare talon]

they spawn in normal missions

yknow

[twilit cloak]

yeah but if its just one (usually) it's not too bad to deal with

I can just dump an extra mag into it or whatever

but if flak doesnt help me against maulers anyway then ye, not much reason to keep it on

[spare talon]

ds4 isnt broken guys its not
it can only do almost everything in the game ridiculously well with ease

[full nebula]

Accounting for ammo is for vets, just dump bolter indiscriminately like I do

[gleaming furnace]

Have you considered the possibility that you’re just good/good with that particular weapon ?

[copper hawk]

Nothing says good with the weapon than

Holding m1

Pressing f

Letting go into weakspot and outdoing all the possible damage other wpns couldve done in one hit

[spare talon]

+ 🖱️

[copper hawk]

3 inputs

[autumn vector]

While being fast as fuck having great dodge

[copper hawk]

That argument would've been suitable if any other clip was posted before

Actually rlly unfortunately lmfao

Other than that one

3 inputs man

2 if you dont count releasing of a button as an input

[gleaming furnace]

If you get reductionist enough you can make anything sound stupid

[spare talon]

yes but this is ds4 we're talking about

[copper hawk]

Yes

[spare talon]

its literally ds4

[copper hawk]

One weapon

[autumn vector]

Ogryn gets a 2handed pickaxe with the slowest movespeed in the game and medicore horde clear just to one shot crushers.

[gleaming furnace]

Like all it takes to be good at codslop is hold right and left click at the right time

[copper hawk]

We're not reducing anything else other than that weapon

[autumn vector]

Zealot gets to be sonic and do the same thing.

[copper hawk]

It excels in boss kill, it excels in all forms of armor kill

And it has a stagger everything button

I feel morally awful even running the DS5 now

Two hitting crushers is awesome

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[autumn vector]

Oh yea can't forget. D4 movement tech

[gleaming furnace]

… what are you listening to lol

[copper hawk]

Has better dodges on -5 than the evis does normally

[spare talon]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3CLSHJv5aUROAN2vfOyCOh?si=40f933f81a39412e

[copper hawk]

Meow pointing this out to me killed me

[spare talon]

at -9/5

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

[spare talon]

on ds5

[gleaming furnace]

Yes yes I’m aware of all this I use it as well, probably with the same blessings

[copper hawk]

Really ?????

[autumn vector]

Decent base block eff to.

[copper hawk]

Yeahh

It's so busted

It's bleak

[gleaming furnace]

Based. I always need more stuff to listen to

[fleet zealot]

the muncher

[median steeple]

da moose

[mental coral]

Whoever mentioned the psyker m1 build... Yeah no that shit is stupid lmao

[sterile basalt]

[gleaming furnace]

It’s so based and I hope they buff it

[solar gorge]

fs be like

wtf is balancing raaaa

[autumn vector]

Wut build dat?

Max movespeed scrier or something?

[mental coral]

I'm just using pygex's smite m1 build from the psyker atheneum and yeah

[fleet zealot]

use electrokinetic staff with surge nexus blessing

[fleet zealot]

and spam left click orbs

oh wait wtf

pygex did a left click smite

[sonic vessel]

When DS gets nerfed, I'll softly sit back on my heavy sword

[fleet zealot]

since when did he go that far

[full nebula]

Heavy swords need a buff

Because they're bad

[sonic vessel]

I still like them very much

[fleet zealot]

heavy swords are balanced if anything

[sonic vessel]

extremely satisfying to use

[fleet zealot]

clear strength and weaknesses

[full nebula]

Extremely mediocre in a game with so many armored enemies

[sonic vessel]

They cant destroy any carapace without charge like DS can but they have good cleave and good breakpoints

[fleet zealot]

it's great vs flak

a carapace weakness and neutral vs unyielding is not a deal breaker for a horde clear and elite killer

the only way it should ever get any sort of buff is if they nerf Deathblow/BM

[sonic vessel]

Yeah, a single strike going through 3 ragers and killing them is a dopamine boost

[full nebula]

Eh

1 revolver shot go brr

[spare talon]

they are not balanced

[fleet zealot]

revolver is a straight line

[fleet zealot]

i know

[spare talon]

tho i believe theyre not stupidly overpowered

[fleet zealot]

i just hate them being called "weak"

lol

[spare talon]

but they LITERALLY have deathblow

like come on lmaop

[sonic vessel]

I think they'll go right under the radar regardless

[fleet zealot]

the only weapon that is anywhere close to weak rn is taxes

[spare talon]

they probably have the best armor damage out of all the swords

[fleet zealot]

and like, some variants

dclaw1

[autumn vector]

This has always been the case.

But fuck taxes.

[fleet zealot]

only weapon doomed to fall under the radar is shredder pistol lol

thing has not been touched

[gleaming furnace]

Bro they already nerfed the hell out of bromentum what more do you want ??

[spare talon]

please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes
please buff taxes

[fleet zealot]

no they buffed it

[frank finch]

Remembering when I said I wanted a big two handed sword for Zealot. Oh sweet vindication!!!

[spare talon]

[fleet zealot]

wtf do you mean "what more do I want" the BM rework was overall a buff, not a nerf

[solar gorge]

delete brutal momentum

[spare talon]

are we playing the same game

[sterile basalt]

evis3

[sonic vessel]

I mean, they would have to insanely buff shredder pistol to make it relevant, imo

[gleaming furnace]

Yea

[solar gorge]

delete scavenger

[gleaming furnace]

The one where the meme shovel can’t one shot 5 crushers anymore

[autumn vector]

Evis 3 just exist after the 15.

Ita there...

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297199640931991648/1299942320753606737/crackbert3.gif

[autumn vector]

But not useful.

[fleet zealot]

sure, funny infinite cleave with fall off is fun on antax, but the rework letting you one shot 4 elites cause 0 fall off is objectively more useful

[fleet zealot]

ogryns when they can't play with lower intelligence than their characters

[spare talon]

opinions on scav/survivalist may change soon

[solar gorge]

is it getting touched ?

next patch

[remote lark]

https://youtu.be/GWB292_taSU?si=HESGXlmqTqv_NP96

[spare talon]

nope

[remote lark]

My duo with dorn

[solar gorge]

then delete scav

[remote lark]

He clutched hard at end

[spare talon]

well tbh idk if its getting touched

[autumn vector]

Can't belive we play a game where chainaxes are gud.

[spare talon]

but thats not where the basis of my claim lies

[plucky sparrow]

granted you now pay more taxes each year

[fleet zealot]

i can barely believe it, it used to be so bad

[sonic vessel]

I think Fatshark should go ahead and publicly confirm that DS's gonna get nerfed

[sterile basalt]

wdym

elaborate

is it because of havoc

[fleet zealot]

buff psyker

[full nebula]

takes like 3 heavies on a flak rager with nothing

doesnt seem that good

[fleet zealot]

fatshark can't not buff psyker

buff smite

[spare talon]

more elaboration would require me to give sources for my opinions

[solar gorge]

if havoc spams even more spe/elites at you it's a buff to scav

[fleet zealot]

you mean it takes 1 heavy for 3 flak ragers

[autumn vector]

This.

[full nebula]

sure if you do ff

[autumn vector]

Claps crushers to

[full nebula]

but the base is bad

[sterile basalt]

ok so do u mean people's opinions changing in a good or bad way

[fleet zealot]

no weapon is impressive at base lol

shut up XD

[full nebula]

laughs in knife

laughs in uncanny knife

[fleet zealot]

uncanny knife isn't base

[full nebula]

im going base with blessings ie deathblow

its a godroll sword

[autumn vector]

The impression is survivalist is the best or one of the best auras in the game.

[full nebula]

just no other buffs

[fleet zealot]

and knife and duelists are the meta weapons, it's not fair to compare a base weapon to a meta weapon with blessings xd

[autumn vector]

Even after it's nerf

[spare talon]

i think the sentiment will move closer towards incredibly strong instead of strong but i can live without it

[bitter anvil]

If knife have blessing weakspot ignore hitmass

[fleet zealot]

oh okay so, you don't do what is needed for the breakpoints, and then complain it doesn't work?

[sterile basalt]

ok CIVI 24/7 in havoc confirmed

it's either that

or they're nerfing ammo spawns

either way it's good

[solar gorge]

why couldn't they drop havoc this week smh

i wanna play

[autumn vector]

Soon.

Kek

[solar gorge]

doesn't matter

[bitter anvil]

Soon (TM)

[solar gorge]

i won't be able to

[spare dome]

All Nurgle Blessed Enemies, Armoured Enemies, no ranged weapons, no Blitzes

[autumn vector]

We either get in early December

[bitter anvil]

Back to Vermintide

Style

[autumn vector]

Or we don't see it till next year in march

[sonic vessel]

"No Dual sword" challenge

[fleet zealot]

the date is right there

lol

[full nebula]

its coming the 3rd

[solar gorge]

3 december

fuck my chud life

[plush estuary]

3 years in december

[full nebula]

but yeh heavy swords are underwhelming af, especially with the mobility they have

[solar gorge]

i'm getting cucked form playing dt by getting a job

this is horrible

[autumn vector]

Job life. Getting cucked.

[fleet zealot]

just get disabled

[gusty orbit]

They are overhyped usually, but we all have bias towards certain weapons

[solar gorge]

it could happen during the process of learning the job

[fleet zealot]

heavy swords are not overhyped what is this lol

[full nebula]

they're underhyped for good reason looks likle

[fleet zealot]

they are weaker than the meta, but they are not underwhelming, they do everything they are good at extremely well

[gusty orbit]

Also been playing knife this evening and I hope it gets nerfed with duelling swords

[solar gorge]

knife will never get nerfed

[full nebula]

nerf thunderhammer too

[gusty orbit]

Not saying they're bad, but all of y'all swear heavy swords are the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth, it's a good weapon, just that lol

[solar gorge]

it always fly under the radar

[autumn vector]

Meh. Knife is whatever. It's a bit more dangerous than d4.

Still gud tho

[solar gorge]

it's absurd

[fleet zealot]

yes it's good xd matt said it's bad

[gusty orbit]

Xd

[full nebula]

something that can help a lot of these weapons would be better mobility

[fleet zealot]

just drag your swing

[gusty orbit]

Also knife mk6 is??? Tiers of consistent why does a finesse weapon have cleave and wide screen attacks xd

[full nebula]

im talking about the mobility in general being slow as shit

[gusty orbit]

I think I'm gonna become a knife bitch for a couple days

[fleet zealot]

wtf do you mean

heavy sword has slightly above average mobility

1.05 dodge distance at cap, 1.0 being the average

[solar gorge]

thx god i enjoy big chainswords too much to play with these boring ass normal knives

[full nebula]

ok give like a slight increase in movement speed so it doesnt feel like a slug when played

[fleet zealot]

but it doesn't feel like a slug

[gusty orbit]

I think I opened Pandora's box for myself and don't know what to do now lolol

[full nebula]

if you're not using charge it really does

[fleet zealot]

like idk what you are experiencing outside of being terminally addicted to knife/duelist

which in that case, your perspective is skewed by using the fastest, most mobile weapons and then going down to an above average mobility weapon

[solar gorge]

the only cure, only playing with class unique weapons

[fleet zealot]

like giving a speed addict ritalin

[full nebula]

i have 400 hours on ogryn

[fleet zealot]

i am the chaxe main

[gusty orbit]

True, I need the greatsword asap for the flamer gsword combo

[fleet zealot]

the weapon that until recently was tied for the worst mobility in the game, including with ogryn weapons

your perspective is skewed if you think heavy sword is sluggish

[placid fiber]

Have you done the heavy hitter karsolas pickaxe with stubber type of build? :3

[full nebula]

nah, but i've used all the pickaxes a good bit. They're nice

i generally use rumber/kickback for everything

[gusty orbit]

It's impressive how shit pickaxes are outside of melee build and how consistent they are with melee talents, they become pretty good, although just to the level of any other class melee xd

[autumn vector]

Stabbers don't have enough power for their trade offs imo

[placid fiber]

Kickback is pretty good, from what I've heard

[sterile basalt]

guess no buff for tac axes then

[sonic vessel]

The fact that the consensus for the heavy swords moves from "they are shit" to" they are bordeline overpowered" with "they are fine" going around is probably a good sign

[placid fiber]

I mean... I have them more for specials than anything else

[full nebula]

Kickback is pretty brutal now, it was already good and they buffed it when the pickaxes came pretty sure

[stone fern]

@south grove @frosty herald this should have hit the dog idc

[frosty herald]

Using knives is throwing

[full nebula]

heavy swords are slow and mediocre imo

[autumn vector]

Recon las is legit better than all the stubbers besides maybe vs unyielding

[frosty herald]

Ill use my actualy good build now

[full nebula]

same with devils claws

[autumn vector]

They should have some kind of counter for heavy swords lol. Counter strike down on th 9 would be hawt.

[full nebula]

this guy doesn't like opinions that aren't his

[gusty orbit]

Objectively they are ok, just that, I can dish out the same damage with any weapon that I like better, not even super meta ones

[misty ravine]

Heavy Sword was never considered shit, except maybe back when most people didn't have the right blessings unlocked for them.

IME they were considered minimum borderline overpowered (being bad at carapace was the only balancing factor) and brain-dead easy to use on top of it. Now they're considered "mostly fine" because Knife has always been stupid and now DS4 is on Zealot

[fleet zealot]

very few weapons can match heavysword in both horde clear and elite clear

[bitter anvil]

The heavy attack on mutant feel powerful slash

[fleet zealot]

rashad matches elites, but heavy sword beats horde clear still, chswords do horde faster but elites worse

[autumn vector]

When handcannon effected melee it was bonkers.

[sonic vessel]

I think they would be garbage without headtaker+ deathblow

deathblow in particular

[full nebula]

most of the chainweapons are decent but feel like shit

[fleet zealot]

the opposite really, they would be mid without deathblow

[full nebula]

the animations feel so bad

[solar gorge]

oh fuck i didn't even saw they were adding new gear with the havoc patch man fuck

[fleet zealot]

headtaker rampage is still completely viable

[gusty orbit]

It was looked down on by noobs that didn't realize the elite killing potential and the overhead/up slash of the good marks, and yeah, it was skewered by not having the right blessings

[solar gorge]

why does fs hates me

[fleet zealot]

but without deathblow, it would be in a really mid spot with no real reason to run it over dclaw/chsword

[solar gorge]

i am firebombing sweden

[autumn vector]

For the chainaxes and 2handed swords sure. But I think the 1handed chain swords are bit weird

[misty ravine]

Yes, but then lots of weapons are Blessing dependent, and building your weapon has been a stupid dreary casino until like 6 weeks ago

[full nebula]

I can't do any chainweapons, even the heavy evis feels awful

[bitter anvil]

Sweden already have mass immigration doing crime

No need firebombing

[autumn vector]

Evis 15 feels good imo

[gusty orbit]

Crusher, hammer (played well), evis mk15, other classes have less options now that I realize

[fleet zealot]

hammer does not match elite or horde clear

in the slightest

[spare talon]

thammer doesnt match hsword in horde clear

[fleet zealot]

neither does evi

hammer does big thigns

carapace, unyielding, and one off elites

heavy sword does 4 elites at once

[sonic vessel]

crusher is the funny, pushing everyone to the ground

[gusty orbit]

On perfect aligned swings, that doesn't happen every time

[fleet zealot]

crusher is probably the pinnacle of weapons in terms of being well rounded

[fleet zealot]

what

mk9 heavy loop is perfectly horizontal

[misty ravine]

Heavy Sword can just Unga Bunga Heavy Spam into Rager packs and get away with it, few other weapons can. Crusher maybe but I haven't really used it

[full nebula]

Most of the bluntweapons feel like shit too

takes 8 hits to the head to kill anything

[sonic vessel]

Crusher with stagger perks can knock them around forever, unless there are 10 at the same spot

[fleet zealot]

mk6 and mk7 have a bit weirder angle but it is still more than enough to proc bm 4 times

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/red-vox-vinesauce-blood-bagel-gif-2666101205275423148

[fleet zealot]

learn to aim in melee lol

[gusty orbit]

Yeah crusher can with the plus of stunlocking every single one

[median steeple]

HATE

god I hate getting stuck on poxwalkers

[fleet zealot]

are you going to say crusher feels like shit

[full nebula]

yes

[gusty orbit]

Maybe you need to be less defensive about your heavy sword, then we can talk lmao

[fleet zealot]

ez block

[full nebula]

Most the animations and impact feel like shit

[fleet zealot]

it's just baiting

[bitter anvil]

Matt is strange

[full nebula]

thats my biggest problem with most wepaons

[autumn vector]

6 isn't bad. It's heavy are pretty good for dealing with ragers.

[full nebula]

terrible animations/sound

[fleet zealot]

stop being incorrect

[fleet zealot]

it isn't bad, I agree with that

[gusty orbit]

Even without them, it has such crazy stagger that they just go down

[misty ravine]

Heard T-Ham was buffed but it still sacrifices basically every other aspect of performance for Single Target Damage With Charged Heavies. At least it fucking swings those downward now lmfao

[gusty orbit]

Lmao

[fleet zealot]

heavy sword has head magnetism and every mark has heavies that hit 4 ragers

[bitter anvil]

This is Twitter level blocking people

[fleet zealot]

not perfectly lining up is such a weird thing to say cause then that would apply to rashad as well

which it doesn't

[sonic vessel]

heavy sword is one of the most generous weapon to hit heads with

[autumn vector]

I can't be bothered with either thammer tbh. Just not for me.

[fleet zealot]

thammer is niche

and will likely remain niche

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-gordon-freeman-no-way-half-life2-gordon-gif-22072856

[violet hornet]

I can end an hsword 7 heavy 1 like 6 inches over someone's head and still hit it

[autumn vector]

HS drags well.

[fleet zealot]

which i think thammer remaining niche

is the best for it

[violet hornet]

Yeah I'm still getting used to it but it's definitely key to getting the most of out hsword

[remote lark]

low bar

thammer suck

[fleet zealot]

if it was mainstream it would have to be balanced for it and it would lose a lot of its identity

[violet hornet]

a boss flattener should be niche

[remote lark]

bad weapon

[full nebula]

I think hammer is an above average weapon

[remote lark]

name one weapon worse than it

[full nebula]

niche i guess, but ive clutched with it numerous times

[sonic vessel]

It's a meme weapon, imo

[spare talon]

it has really high cleave and can get power blessings

[autumn vector]

Taxes

[remote lark]

you're bad

[spare talon]

its better than most people think at horde clear

[sonic vessel]

"kill the boss in one hit" weapon, except there is knife and DS too

[spare talon]

but its not amazing at it

[gusty orbit]

This chat doesn't play hammer properly and it shows, but maybe I just like the hammer so much that I outperform meta dudes

[remote lark]

let me rephrase my statement

compared to all of zealots other weapons

[misty ravine]

What do you consider an average weapon

[remote lark]

hammer is bad

but hammer is not "bad"

by itself

[violet hornet]

Where's laz when you need him lol

[remote lark]

it just underperforms everything else in 99% of games

[bitter anvil]

So ironhelm is bad?

[autumn vector]

Shrug. To be fair you might not be wrong. I would still use taxe over thammer. Hating taxes is meme.

[full nebula]

probably shockmauls or something that doesnt obliterate like knife or ds

but guys look how good the heavy sword is

[solar gorge]

everything is bad compared to the ds4 checkmate liberals

[sonic vessel]

"If we cant buy FromSoftware, we'll buy the next big thing"

[misty ravine]

Big If True

Also how does Sony still have money

[fleet zealot]

knife and DS should be excluded from any and all conversations not directly about them

[remote lark]

taxe is way better than people give it credit for

[gusty orbit]

Crucis is the only real mark, don't play ironhelm, and don't listen to the chat lmao

[sonic vessel]

True, its cheating

[median steeple]

Im the #1 hound hater

holy shit I hate pox hounds

[remote lark]

its just a weaker rashad with higher mobility

[fleet zealot]

they are OP, everyone knows it

[remote lark]

my fav weapon in the game

also has a special attack that stuns every enemy in the game on headshot

even ccrushers

[bitter anvil]

:( I have ironhelm I inspired from one zealot cleave through horde with single charge attack

[autumn vector]

I'm just not a huge fan of all the clicking and the autoswing mods feel clunky to me. In other word my old man hands hurty

[fleet zealot]

crusher is a bad weapon but thunder hammer is above average, greatest hits

[hard nexus]

i mean if you fucking suck with the hsword then yeah obviously

[remote lark]

fair enough

im opposite

i can't stand slower weapons

or weapons that have heavy horde clear loops

[full nebula]

even if i hit every hit its not gonna be faster than holding down the trigger with a bolter

[remote lark]

i find heavy attack horde clear loops result in more disables because i get animation locked more

silent dogs and trappers fuck me up

can't react in time compared to light attacking weapons

[gusty orbit]

Learn the Crucis, way better results, since the buffs light attacks feel pretty damn good

[autumn vector]

I just need to get gud. Start doing more finger therapy.

[hard nexus]

yes the mag dump high damage weapon will be better against some targets than the sword

[hard nexus]

that’s not a shock

there’s a reason it’s limited by ammo

[violet hornet]

and has long reload

[remote lark]

hi meow

[hard nexus]

yarp

[full nebula]

right so whats the point of using it when the balance is absolutely fucked

[violet hornet]

and is designed for punching through armor / hard targets

[hard nexus]

heblo

[bitter anvil]

I used the crucis (since before unlocked and loaded) just not my favorite

[lunar fable]

me when my bolter has an empty mag

[gusty orbit]

That's what they would call a skill issue

[sonic vessel]

Empty bolter is fine as long as I got me some knives left

[hard nexus]

the hsword?

to save ammo, have fun, preference, hsword does better against certain targets, can kill 4 ragers in one swing

take ur pick

[remote lark]

i too, call broken game mechanics such as animation cancelling wall running tokyo drifting flying dogs and ninja trappers "skill issues"

[full nebula]

man people love the hyperspecific cleaving ragers senario

[hard nexus]

or consider that the hsword is really strong

[remote lark]

a few games ago a dog corrected course mid-air just to hit me after i dodged

[hard nexus]

and its sole weakness is carapace and unyielding

[remote lark]

i alt f4'd

[sonic vessel]

It's not eally hyperspecific, it happens quite often. Ragers are just an exemple, could be 4 gunners, or 3 specials

[hard nexus]

yeah

and it’s got great horde clear in general

[autumn vector]

Sometimes you gotta dodge to dodge dog.

[sonic vessel]

if it's on your screen and grouped up, heavy sword will cleave through it

[full nebula]

Idk how strong it is when you can whip out a number of guns and obliterate whatever is infront of you and you don't need to spend time picking them off

[bitter anvil]

Tbf I haven’t play zealot for long time

[autumn vector]

If not ingame than with co.puter

[full nebula]

itll cleave but you cant tell me it doesn't need stacks or something

[hard nexus]

that’s why guns are limited by ammo and reloads

[violet hornet]

Hsword can one shot any elite / specialist / disabler that isn't a mauler, crusher, reaper, or bulwark

[full nebula]

so the important ones lol

[violet hornet]

Using FotF can let you one shot a mauler or reaper

[autumn vector]

Ita decent vs reapers.

[frozen kernel]

Wish my psyker buddy could hear this discussion