thanks though, that clears up cause i was low key relying on the concussion for alot of hordes
#zealot-class
ivory totem
yeah i actually skipped over the dodge one previously
rigid trellis
just bad timing or direction
spare talon
dodging is your best tool for survival
on every class
and this talent just says "heres a massive amount for playing the game correctly :)"
ivory totem
yeah but like a s"uccessful dogge"
that what i mean
like does it have to be well times
timed
like when you parry in rpg
spare talon
so it is basically tied to how dodges work for most enemies
i frames for the most part do not exist
rigid trellis
they have a few iframes but it's mostly just to remove tracking
spare talon
what dodging does is break the lock on enemies have on you
if you break the lock on an enemy had and the attack they follow through with doesnt hit you, thats a successful dodge
there is a distinct audio cue for when this happens too
ivory totem
oh ok i didnt notice one
south folio
i-frames do basically exist
the game just makes an extra check for how close you are to the enemy
too close, and you're getting hit no matter how well-timed your dodge is
ivory totem
thanks for all the info though
spare talon
oh ok i didnt notice one
if you watch this, at 0:02 i dodge a shooters gunfire, triggering my on-dodge buffs (zealot has some insane ones) from talents and blessings, you can see all of them appear as the audio cue goes off so you generally know what it sounds like
south folio
some stuff by crab about dodges #ogryn-class message
ivory totem
the whoosh sound?
ivory totem
oh right yeah i have heard it, thought it was just a sfx for dodging
spare talon
you can hear the "ranged enemy about to hit you" ZIP right before it
and if i take a sec i can show you what the "melee enemy outside your fov about to hit you" sounds like
(you can clearly see my confusion cuz it plays with no enemy actually attacking me)
rigid trellis
beast of nurgle just does that
usually from a tailwhip even if you're no where near it
the melee sound is also a little bit different when it's an elite from what I've noticed
spare talon
the melee sound is also a little bit different when it's an elite from what I've...
2300 hours and ive never noticed this
either youre schizo or i am
rigid trellis
900 hours and I only recently noticed it
lean cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1252483127943888907/D...
i hate that shit so much
ivory totem
yeah i hear it, didnt even know that was a thing. so every character has that
lean cairn
sometimes i get it on a loop
spare talon
i hate that shit so much
schizo update!
lean cairn
actually hallucinating
spare talon
yeah i hear it, didnt even know that was a thing. so every character has that
yes
if youve ever been like "damn these enemies from behind hurt!"
now you know when thats gonna happen
ivory totem
yes that happens so much lmao
spare talon
this game is fucking stupid
so much niche knowledge thats stupidly useful
lean cairn
get the cackling trappers mod
spare talon
blocking is 360 but costs more stamina from behind
ivory totem
ok ok, but 360 block what
lean cairn
it wont help you when you think a trapper is running away to reload but is actually running towards someone to net them then does a 180 spin to aggro onto you and net you when you arent expecting it, but its way better than playing normally
uneven dirge
What's a good melee option to pair with flamer (ignoring the dueling sword)?
uneven dirge
also is it a good time to try c.axe if I've never played it?
spare talon
Precog/riposte
Combat axe with brutal momentum specifically Rashad
Is stupidly strong and stupidly easy
uneven dirge
my bad I thought about chain axe
spare talon
it wont help you when you think a trapper is running away to reload but is actua...
Do you know the cursed etherean rez blocking knowledge
lean cairn
Do you know the cursed etherean rez blocking knowledge
no
is it just facing enemies to take less stamina
while reviving
spare talon
my bad I thought about chain axe
Chain axe is also pretty good, not as busted but has good blessings and damage at the cost of bad dodges
cedar ledge
This is my personal preference for knife/flamer
Having to pick knife as blitz feels bad tho
spare talon
is it just facing enemies to take less stamina
The direction of your 3rd person camera is what affects the stamina cost yeah
Not the direction of your character
spare talon
Having to pick knife as blitz feels bad tho
Knife is zealots best blitz
And it's mandatory to compensate for flamers range too
cedar ledge
Stun feels better
spare talon
Stuns has worse talents above it and requires grenade pickups
lean cairn
throwing knives have the best talents above them and are insanely useful
obsidian ore
That is the main problem for zealot in my opinion. I have so little playtime with grenades because of how cracked right side pathing is.
lean cairn
insta throw a knife that can 1 shot most specials/ many elites
misty ravine
Throwing knife can be used to animation cancel to draw the flamer faster too
spare talon
Throwing knife can be used to animation cancel to draw the flamer faster too
This too
lean cairn
That is the main problem for zealot in my opinion. I have so little playtime wit...
i havent used anything but knives in like 9 months
obsidian ore
They need to rework the grenade part to be like veterans grenades or I will go throwing knives every single build
spare talon
I think the sheer number of ppl I know are good players saying they only use knifes is testament to their potency lmak
obsidian ore
Knives are so good. As long as you are a decent player it’s like having a second ranged weapon
vernal terrace
its a testimate to the Birmingham genes latent in zealot chat actually cole
lean cairn
throwing knives also make bolter usable
obsidian ore
It requires practice to get good and some warmup before games tho
obsidian ore
throwing knives also make bolter usable
And flamer, cant use flamer without them
spare talon
Knives are so good. As long as you are a decent player it’s like having a second...
It can be your main ranged weapon where your actual one can be hyper specialized
obsidian ore
It can be your main ranged weapon where your actual one can be hyper specialized
Exactly, this is my premise of bolter zealot
lean cairn
you can get through an entire auric mission with just throwing knives + bleed knife
misty ravine
They need to rework the grenade part to be like veterans grenades or I will go t...
They need to rework the trees themselves. The Standard Pattern Zealot is basically pic related plus a capstone and maybe Purge the Unclean or something if there's points to spare, and there's a reason for that
spare talon
Exactly, this is my premise of bolter zealot
And these last few weeks I've slowly been swapping out my guns for bolter on all my builds lmao
stone fern
@paper harness high level auric gameplay
cedar ledge
honestly find myself going chorus a lot more than the charge
lean cairn
chorus turns on baby nap mode
cedar ledge
team utility seem so nice
remote lark
<@1273699265243381802> high level auric gameplay
practicing for when u play with me i see
spare talon
chorus turns on baby nap mode
Can't wait for ppl to flip their opinion on chorus when havoc drops
misty ravine
Came back to the game after several months and played Zealot the whole time, then tried Bolter Vet and I missed throwing knives like you wouldn't believe
lean cairn
Can't wait for ppl to flip their opinion on chorus when havoc drops
well then baby nap mode will become let me breathe mode
stone fern
practicing for when u play with me i see
yes 
spare talon
The only mode where high level players will appreciate and or use chorus
lean cairn
and it might be useful
paper harness
The only mode where high level players will appreciate and or use chorus
Slaughterer hammerblow crusher
obsidian ore
Can't wait for ppl to flip their opinion on chorus when havoc drops
I can already tell the meta is going to be flamer zealots with chorus
And I didn’t even see havoc yet
frosty herald
Nah
stone fern
the meta is gonna be 3 chorus zealots following around a purge psyker
obsidian ore
You all will see
lean cairn
combat shotgun will be meta actually ☝️
remote lark
You all will see
is this your manifesto
paper harness
combat shotgun will be meta actually ☝️
Slug is
spare talon
Me and dorn are sharing the same braincell on havoc lmao
stone fern
You all will see
yuo vill see.....
paper harness
frosty herald
4 voc bolter vets
spare talon
4 voc bolter vets
Nope
lean cairn
the meta is gonna be 3 chorus zealots following around a purge psyker
1 left click psyker 1 shout vet 1 chorus zealot 1 shield psyker
frosty herald
Tanner will call it dogshit cause he cant speedrun beat it to 40
stone fern
no vets 2 psykers 2 zealots
obsidian ore
Anyways anyone down to duo in 15
paper harness
Anyways anyone down to duo in 15
Wanna do ds4s
frosty herald
Creature
spare talon
Tanner will call it dogshit cause he cant speedrun beat it to 40
I can't wait to see his gunner seething
obsidian ore
Wanna do ds4s
Sure, haven’t done it in a while
paper harness
I kinda wanna prove a point
remote lark
I kinda wanna prove a point
how unexpected
lean cairn
i saw tanner using thrust on ds4 in his mr e duo
remote lark
frosty herald
I kinda wanna prove a point
Do it
paper harness
<a:NalaEyeroll:860283171094659074>
Silence freak
remote lark
meow meow meow
spare talon
i saw tanner using thrust on ds4 in his mr e duo
How original
remote lark
tahts all im hearing from u dorn
spare talon
(I use that)
lean cairn
thrust is mid
remote lark
spare talon
Precog thrust is the "I want everything to instantly explode" combo
remote lark
Precog thrust is the "I want everything to instantly explode" combo
explode
remote lark
do u not like civis
god
fuck me
i'm going to finish leveling psyker
i hate playing it so much
but i want to try it at 30
paper harness
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One I-II
frosty herald
spare talon
Precog thrust is the "I want everything to instantly explode" combo
I nearly soloed power matrix 3veg on my first attempt with this combo but the game said "erm actually 3 trapper shots with in 1 second" when I was about to do the last interrogator
paper harness
I need to setup that server fully
spare talon
But I use ds5 more often now cuz i have to be different
paper harness
spare talon
I have to be a hipster
remote lark
colen't
paper harness
Ds5 feels lovely
remote lark
can i ask you a question
spare talon
can i ask you a question
Can I give you an answer
lean cairn
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1gmngik/dueling_sword_should_be_nerfed_and_here_is_why/ why are people saying to nerf horde clear
its already not great at that
nerf everything else
remote lark
thammer 2.0
lean cairn
give it ONE dodge.
misty nova
Just nerf the cleave
misty nova
My face when I can kill 1 groaner per swing with Rampage up
paper harness
There’s three grub servers
Guess I’ll find an A3 on a map that spawn enemies lmao
merry flume
I left my fucking work alarm on my day off aaaaaa
paper harness
No a3s
remote lark
hiii vic
paper harness
lean cairn
why does ds4 knock enemies around so much
remote lark
yiss
merry flume
lemme get out of my comfy bed then
spare talon
Ok time to go to bed
And wake up with 22 pings only to find out it's dorn dming me with cryptic and esoteric darktide schizo dumps like I did this last morning
ember yew
spare talon
Genuinely was a terrifying thing to see 20 seconds after becoming conscious
west trench
what's the damage cap % for flamer? 70ish?
vernal terrace
cole left vc saying its 5:30am i should go bed
merry flume
misty nova
why does ds4 knock enemies around so much
4.5 cleave
Doesn't affect the impact but makes it noticeable
spare talon
someone take his phone away
I'm in bed
merry flume
bed gaming
spare talon
vernal terrace
says who :3
lean cairn
its out of bounds
vernal terrace
exploration!!!
merry flume
any other east coasters internet go out last night?
stone fern
real
candid veldt
So let me get this straight fatshark servers are complete dogshit and barely function when you are mid mission causing you to rubber band, not be able to swap weapons or active your ability
Did I get all that correct
frail field
you forgot broken audio cues
remote lark
one bug of many
frail field
and bugs in talents
stone fern
mentally i am still there...
merry flume
@remote lark it's gaming time
remote lark
hiii
merry flume
it's either a darktide or vr angle, internet was out for my whole state for like 4 hours last night
merry flume
byeah
frosty herald
Is this a self promotion?
merry flume
lmao are the vrchat bots finally leaking into darktide
i've been stalked by commission bots in literally every form of social media i use
even ones where I don't even mention it
<@&735928989146939404> possible bot
ember yew
So let me get this straight fatshark servers are complete dogshit and barely fun...
Sometimes it happens
i usually just cant join a mission
in that moment i ignore "reconnect" option and just start a new search
pressing reconnect is useless and could break the game (infinite loading screen)
hard nexus
<@&735928989146939404> possible bot
it is a bot
well
at least a scam
he sent me a bunch of artwork and tried to say it was his own
so
ember yew
egs free nitro discord press this absolutely-non-suspicious-link-trust-me-bro
i remember those
paper harness
hello there.......feel free to DM
and reason to DM is to be about business
i love to play game and ........................
merry flume
and 
solar gorge
another bot great
solar gorge
sinful widget
Hotly contentious topic here, dclaw 4 or 7
ember yew
4 is safe pick
tight scroll
he sent me a bunch of artwork and tried to say it was his own
mind if you DM me a pic of that?
mighty root
Satan uses animated emojis
paper harness
solar gorge
Satan uses animated emojis
everytime you click on a mf with nitro's profile it's some kind of sensory assault
they trying to kill people with seizures
big discord
hard nexus
mind if you DM me a pic of that?
ohg sure
i didn’t see this sry
i blocked him
and idk how to find the dms again
lol
frosty herald
Noob
hard nexus
i may be stupid
frosty herald
hard nexus
kk
hard nexus
should be able to search him or check in blocked users I think
he is not in my blocked users for some reason
did his account get banned?
tight scroll
mayhaps
paper harness
you closed the dms
hard nexus
you closed the dms
yeah
ember yew
tight scroll
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1301219355929083905/w...
ah well if you dont have it its fine
paper harness
hard nexus
ah well if you dont have it its fine
source: trust
paper harness
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1301219355929083905/w...
wolp
hard nexus
i hate how knife and dueling sword
are comparable to the thunder hammer
for single target
thunder hammer should be the single highest burst damage in the game
blazing lantern
Is disdain a good note on zealot
ember yew
no
ember yew
it only works on every 2nd hit
hard nexus
Well i have nothing better to use that 1 point in my build
post ur build
blazing lantern
blazing lantern
you can remove a point from Blood Redemption and Disdain and get 10% attack spee...
That was my pfevoius build but i enjoy More tankiness
hearty nebula
just dodge
ember yew
leveling up *is* miserable
at least now you can get any meta weapon and use it without casino
ez ride
hearty nebula
ya ik
blazing lantern
I do dodge būt i do like to play super agresīve aswell
hearty nebula
you are not playing aggressively enough then
ember yew
I do dodge būt i do like to play super agresīve aswell
if you want tankiness
remove disdain and get
Good Balance
blazing lantern
I have tankiness already
ember yew
its extremely good as it's reduces both HP and Toughness damage
blazing lantern
its extremely good as it's reduces both HP and Toughness damage
Is it better than blood redemption?
ember yew
Is it better than blood redemption?
well, they are in kinda different categories, one is offensive(require kills) and other is defensive(require dodge), but if you for example tank a bunch of gunners, GB helps with that
blazing lantern
Ok so for me blood redemption is beter tehn
queen oyster
DODGE ,is strongest defensive ability 
blazing lantern
well, they are in kinda different categories, one is offensive(require kills) an...
So basicaly still the best option for that 1 point is disdain for dmg
ember yew
So basicaly still the best option for that 1 point is disdain for dmg
you have another option and that is to drop disdain, blood redemption and 2nd stack of Chastise
hard nexus
drop blood redemption, disdain, for faithful frenzy
you can also drop anoint in blood and purge the unclean for sustained assault
tight fog
Faithful frenzy is 100% worth dropping stuff for
blazing lantern
DODGE ,is strongest defensive ability <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Guys i had those talents before it was too squishy for me to do solo damnation runs
With non meta weapon
So i ask about that 1 last point
I put in disdain
For dmg
gusty orbit
i would go good balance, disdain i don't find it necessary and it being activated every other hit doesn't help it
hard nexus
Guys i had those talents before it was too squishy for me to do solo damnation r...
few people and few builds can do solo damnation
tight fog
Disdain isn't that good tbh, sustained assault is way better for DMG for all weapons
paper harness
Post video
obsidian ore
I got cursed by meow, I'm dying with martyrdom zealot
paper harness
hard nexus
I got cursed by meow, I'm dying with martyrdom zealot
wha
tight fog
Ur uptime on disdain isn't brilliant
obsidian ore
remove curse pls
blazing lantern
gusty orbit
and good balance makes you super tanky since your toughness absorbs more damage and your hp too, you can go from 100 to 0 with a mauler to 40% hp or something like that, do you don't lose until death in fuck ups
obsidian ore
Anyways going shopping with my woman, god fucking damnit it's gonna take ages isn't it
gusty orbit
Disdain isn't that good tbh, sustained assault is way better for DMG for all wea...
if they make it activate on all hits like similar abilities in vermintide it would be pretty amazing
cedar ledge
i hate how knife and dueling sword
This feels super bad lmao, even though i love the thammer the fact that dueling sword is just better in every way means i have 0 reason to run thammer
paper harness
@stone fern boot game
tight fog
Take ur PC and play darktide in the shop like a basedman
blazing lantern
This feels super bad lmao, even though i love the thammer the fact that dueling ...
Dueling sword cant 1 tap bosses
paper harness
Yeah it can
blazing lantern
Rly?
paper harness
Duelist perfectionist precognition
gusty orbit
This feels super bad lmao, even though i love the thammer the fact that dueling ...
if you wanna play hammer just do, it's not shit or whatever, if finesse weapons are S+ tier, crucis hammer is S, for me anyways
cedar ledge
do you use the special attack to oneshot with dueling sword btw?
or charged heavies?
gusty orbit
thunder hammer should be the single highest burst damage in the game
dumb finesse weapons do be like that, i've kinda come to terms with that i guess
paper harness
The dueling sword should be king of single target but have everything else gimped
gusty orbit
and even if hammer naturally had the extra damage to 1 tap crushers, it's at least 2 to 2.5 times slower than knife or dueling sword stabs
frosty herald
i should swap the damage reduction from a wound into toughness dodge
its only really useful with crushers
gusty orbit
also, why do scab gunners melt my hp? do they do more damage to it or shoot faster, maybe both? even with max gunner resistance i feel like if they get 0.5 seconds of shooting they get like 150 hp from me
while dreg gunners deal shit piss damage to me
cedar ledge
if you wanna play hammer just do, it's not shit or whatever, if finesse weapons ...
Wouldve expected it to be nerfed by now
frosty herald
probs ballistic vs laser damage
cedar ledge
But its been 2/3 months since so prob fair to say it isn't getting touched
frosty herald
thammer is still as strong as dueling sword
hard nexus
The dueling sword should be king of single target but have everything else gimpe...
no !
gusty orbit
just make crucis activate faster scaling with attack speed, i'd like to see that
frosty herald
its already fast
hard nexus
The dueling sword should be king of single target but have everything else gimpe...
dueling sword and knife should be highly mobile but lower damage single target options
thunder hammer should be a slow, highest burst single target damage in the game
it’s a fucking
cedar ledge
thammer is still as strong as dueling sword
vs crushers maulers you still need to charge vs just stabbing
hard nexus
ANTI TANK HAMMER
frosty herald
both thammers are so fast that the animation that happens during the activation is slower
hard nexus
a little metal toothpick should not do anything similar to a thunder hammer
violet hornet
Would be interesting if thammer had higher base damage, more cleave, and cared less about finesse to make it more distinct from the dueling swords
hard nexus
thammer is still as strong as dueling sword
it’s nowhere near as fast
frosty herald
thats true
hard nexus
Would be interesting if thammer had higher base damage, more cleave, and cared l...
it already does lol
frosty herald
but it does much much higher damage vs bosses
hard nexus
but it does much much higher damage vs bosses
ds4 has a faster boss kill
lol
@spare talon
post the ds4 boss clips
pls 
gusty orbit
thammer is still as strong as dueling sword
im a hammerhead bozo and i have to admit that finesse are a step above, simple as
violet hornet
it already does lol
I mean more so than it already is
Slower weapons should have more damage rewards as a tradeoff for less defense/ mobility
gusty orbit
Would be interesting if thammer had higher base damage, more cleave, and cared l...
thing is, it already hits like a truck ykno, and has enough cleave that you'll rarely see the not enough cleave animation
just that finesse is a broken ass stat that scales way too much
violet hornet
The fact that there's other much faster weapons that meet the same breakpoints means it's not doing enough to make it worth it imo
Needs a special heavy to one shot a crusher while DS can do it with a single heavy, no special required, while also being faster and having more dodges
hard nexus
but it does much much higher damage vs bosses
these r all cole clips
hard nexus
Needs a special heavy to one shot a crusher while DS can do it with a single hea...
thammer should not be buffed any more, ds needs to be nerfed down enormously
cedar ledge
The oppurtinity cost is just not there
violet hornet
thammer should not be buffed any more, ds needs to be nerfed down enormously
Yeah all balance is relative so I agree
hard nexus
in all honestly i think thammer should be nerfed a little again
real sonnet
I don't care if duelling sword is nerfed... I'll keep using it because I love Victor Saltzpyre
violet hornet
No way to know how thammer would fill the niche while DS sits in it
hard nexus
in all honestly i think thammer should be nerfed a little again
specifically because the self stun makes one shotting crushers no longer something to think about
gusty orbit
ds should've stayed as a psyker only, but alas
hard nexus
yeah agreed
real sonnet
ds should've stayed as a psyker only, but alas
Wasn't ds still psykers best option
hard nexus
Wasn't ds still psykers best option
yeah but it wasn’t OP
at least
not as badly
due to zealot’s finesse scaling
real sonnet
Something something melee only showcases how broken it is when given to melee classes
hard nexus
it’s extremely powerful
real sonnet
due to zealot’s finesse scaling
This makes me think that maybe a finesse cap would be a good idea for this specific case
gusty orbit
Wasn't ds still psykers best option
yeah, their second strongest was like knife, who would've guessed, rashad, then maybe deimos illisi
violet hornet
specifically because the self stun makes one shotting crushers no longer somethi...
I still feel like activated thammer heavies are risky vs crusher packs even with the shorter self stun but I honestly haven't used it much since the buff
south folio
a hard cap would be too conditional
at least for zealot, kneecapping duellist is one step to do
gusty orbit
I still feel like activated thammer heavies are risky vs crusher packs even with...
nah it's only ever risky when crushers decide to not follow their choreographed animations, they can be annoying only because of that
violet hornet
Can hardly call it efficient when compared to killing 4 crushers with a single bolter clip in the same time I can heavy one down with the thammer
real sonnet
at least for zealot, kneecapping duellist is one step to do
My beloved duelist D:
south folio
taken to the back alley
BAM
at the very least, i'd changed it to +finesse and not +weakspot & +crit independently
gusty orbit
crazy, i was crazy once
real sonnet
Your bio screams shouty stereotype
It's just the Minecraft end game poem!!!
real sonnet
YOU'RE NOT WELCOME ON MY DREAM!
hard nexus
at least for zealot, kneecapping duellist is one step to do
if you nerf duelist it becomes basically useless, idk how you could nerf it while still keeping it usable
gusty orbit
if you nerf duelist it becomes basically useless, idk how you could nerf it whil...
good ole rework
south folio
there is a value between 0 and 50 that we can pick for its values
south folio
nerfing it from +crit & +weakspot to +finesse simply caps the interaction between a crit weakspot
hard nexus
instead of both
real sonnet
I don't think nerfing duelist would kill Duelling Sword for Zealot
But I think that would heavily affect other weapons even more...
sullen forge
nerfing it from +crit & +weakspot to +finesse simply caps the interaction betwee...
Honestly that seeing Finesse is still pretty nutty
south folio
sure, but duellist by itself is baseine very good
gusty orbit
or just as everyone else says, separate finesse, and give it only weakspot or only crit
hard nexus
real sonnet
Just make DS poke hitbox smaller so it requires even more precision /j
south folio
the duration of the hitbox certainly needs to be cut down
real sonnet
That I agree
sullen forge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1301219355929083905/w...
Wolp
placid fiber
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130953226611597413/1301219355929083905/w...
It's the illusive river eagle
real sonnet
It feels so weird to CLEARLY miss, move my mouse and get a headshot
I think that's actually one of the big factors
south folio
just pure skill
Just that shrimple
i assume that they were thinking of the stab as a lunge
cedar ledge
What blessings/perks did you want on the mk4 dueling btw?
south folio
except that the stab can be done from a neutral position, and there is really no proper balancing "sprinting attack" system in place
sullen forge
Dueling Sword 4 and skill can never be put in the same sentence together
That’s just a sin
south folio
@frozen glen i'm shitting in your bed
real sonnet
Dueling Sword 4 and skill can never be put in the same sentence together
It could be if they made the heavy poke and special poke attacks actually take aim maybe
misty nova
What blessings/perks did you want on the mk4 dueling btw?
Uncanny Riposte
Uncanny Precognition
Riposte Precognition
Thrust Precognition
There's another ones but I can't remember
cedar ledge
I can never get on dodge procs to trigger reliably for me
they seem to proc ok against attacks from outside my fov that plays the sound effect that i then react to
but try to proc stuff in my fov is a crapshoot
real sonnet
The most reliable way I could proc dodge stuf is by waiting for the attack animation to start
paper harness
Uncanny Riposte
Uncanny Precognition
Riposte Precognition
Thrust Precognition
Rampage
@stone fern
cedar ledge
The most reliable way I could proc dodge stuf is by waiting for the attack anima...
You sorta have to wait till it hits you no?
cedar ledge
or does it just care about dodging after the attack animation starts?
jagged cradle
Time to grind
paper harness
Waiting on tintin
spare dome
really they need to clean up crit/headshot/crit headshot flags
paper harness
spare dome
the fact that a crit and a headshot bonus combine together for your critheadshot bonus not including an actual critheadshot bonus is silly
real sonnet
You sorta have to wait till it hits you no?
As far as personal experience, as long as they started the attack and they didn't track your movement (because of the dodge) it would trigger
spare dome
its what makes duelist so silly and disrupt destiny on psyker as well
south folio
a tragic interpretation of finesse
would've been so simple to just have kept them completely separate
real sonnet
Uncanny Riposte
Uncanny Precognition
Riposte Precognition
Thrust Precognition
Uncanny riposte is just so good... Squeeze special attacks between to maximize the amount of rending
paper harness
Rending shouldn’t exist
gusty orbit
120% rending on weapons that want to hit mostly heads yeah no
paper harness
Completely invalidating armour, the only threat outside of disablers
real sonnet
Good point
paper harness
Bosses are a joke unless you get grabbed by a chaos spawn with a plague ogryn targeting you
real sonnet
Damn I feel so sad because I have so much fun with DS, in relation on how you need to "aim" with it
jagged cradle
Waiting on tintin
Wake him up
real sonnet
But I know it's busted
spice ravine
What the fuck is lately and multiple bosses+hordes at the same time?
real sonnet
Wish there was a way to keep the fun but nerf it
paper harness
What the fuck is lately and multiple bosses+hordes at the same time?
You are playing I-II or the condition lol
spice ravine
nah just the event missio nxd
placid fiber
nah just the event missio nxd
the event mission does its own thing
paper harness
Yes, which has increased beast of nurgles spawns
gusty orbit
Wish there was a way to keep the fun but nerf it
if nerfed it'll still be fun and probably one of the strongest weapons, i don't think it'll get nerfed anytime soon tho
spice ravine
DS was an error to give to other classes tbh
stable cypress
no it was an error after they buffed it to do 4 digit dmg to crushers
spice ravine
Yeah but at least it was a non-melee class
paper harness
Every class is a melee class
spice ravine
Com'on.
paper harness
It comes with being in a melee horde game
hushed knoll
Dueling sword? More like poop sword
real sonnet
DS was an error to give to other classes tbh
Awww but as a Vermintide player I have been having so much fun
I'm still kinda new to the game but realizing that 3/4 classes have my favourite VT2 weapon (Rapier) just makes me smile
jagged cradle
Psyker is my favorite melee class
real sonnet
I don't think it was a mistake to add the weapon itself
paper harness
It’s the core conceptual problem with sienna and psyker
real sonnet
Maybe the blessings however....
stable cypress
ds can be nerfed/adjusted to a reasonable state
real sonnet
Blessings on DS for Zealot should've probably been better if they were more defensive
paper harness
Maybe the blessings however....
It does 2x the damage it should to unyielding and carapace
Uncanny should just flat out be removed from the game
spare dome
400% crit headshot damage bonus
pretty nice baseline to work off of in a finesse meta
real sonnet
ds can be nerfed/adjusted to a reasonable state
I hope so, cuz I really wanna be using it most of the times
Without feeling dirty
I don't care if it goes into weak territory even
stable cypress
uncanny nerf will make me sad since I'm shovelpilled but the uncanny bandaid really does need to be ripped off at some point
real sonnet
As long as it's still fun af
violet hornet
Imagine the review bombing if they nerf DS even just a little
paper harness
I think the special should be changed to not be a poke
violet hornet
Definitely some shitters out there crutching hard on it
real sonnet
Definitely some shitters out there crutching hard on it
That's me!!!
violet hornet
Me too occasionally lmao
stable cypress
It'll be a positive change for the game when 3/4 pubs aren't running ds and using them badly vs hordes
paper harness
They backed themselves into a corner
paper harness
It'll be a positive change for the game when 3/4 pubs aren't running ds and usin...
I don’t get how I top damage
I am an extremely defensive player
gusty orbit
not like fatshark has a history of nerfing in time the most op of op weapons that i know of, so nothing to worry about
jagged cradle
I think the special should be changed to not be a poke
Oh Elden ring back step attack ez pz fix
stable cypress
I mean they eventually nerfed moonbow in vt2
they semi recently nerfed javelins (thank fucking god)
real sonnet
Me too occasionally lmao
No like I'm serious I started playing this game like 3 days before the itemization update
Mostly used assault chainaxe, but once the update released I inmediatly started using Duealling sword because duh Vermintide's rapier is epic
paper harness
Most nerfs will come after the sequel is released
violet hornet
Pommel bash special would be cool on DS
real sonnet
It didn't even take me more than 50 hours to start playing auric maelstrom only
paper harness
I want a parry
real sonnet
That's how busted it is
gusty orbit
they semi recently nerfed javelins (thank fucking god)
that's what i mean in time lol, if they nerf the op shit it'll in like a year
paper harness
that's what i mean in time lol, if they nerf the op shit it'll in like a year
They have said they do not want to nerf
violet hornet
I want a parry
Thematically it would make more sense on a dueling sword than on the dclaw
stable cypress
It didn't even take me more than 50 hours to start playing auric maelstrom only
If you have good fundamentals from vt2 and aren't using absolute dogshit builds, getting into auric mael isn't that bad
real sonnet
If you have good fundamentals from vt2 and aren't using absolute dogshit builds,...
Oh okay that makes me feel better then
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gusty orbit
It didn't even take me more than 50 hours to start playing auric maelstrom only
depending on how much you play vt the change isn't nothing crazy, just pressing shift again to run and realizing blocking is meh in darktide
paper harness
Hardtide at 0
real sonnet
depending on how much you play vt the change isn't nothing crazy, just pressing ...
The only thing that I got to learn from darktide in specific was about dealing with gunners / shooters
I'm gonna start using other weapons after I complete everything I wanted to do with Zealot
I got 1 of each melee weapon maxxed out
Now I need to do the same for ranged hehe
gusty orbit
The only thing that I got to learn from darktide in specific was about dealing w...
yeah there's no equivalent, ungors are a joke in vt except for high weaves or whatever
topaz vapor
I need to get some of them mods
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Hardtide at 0
shh
we don't talk about the experiments
sullen forge
Let him cook
paper harness
Imagine dt but I get to control what spawns <@142046391504601088>
I’d win
real sonnet
2 hookrats
Me as a hookrat
paper harness
real sonnet
(I love ruining people's fun)
gusty orbit
God I'm so excited for versus mode in Vermintide
haven't followed it in months, dunno what the last open beta had in store, i think im waiting until it fully releases because L4D was made with versus in mind, they had to patch up a lot in vt to my knowledge
sullen forge
Lmao
real sonnet
haven't followed it in months, dunno what the last open beta had in store, i thi...
The important things they made for the last beta was
Adding a horde spawn system for rat players
Many troll QoL changes, mainly the vomit
And rat rebalance ofc
sullen forge
Ruining peoples games
Just play smite or staff macro
I’ll instantly barrel you if I see you though :))
gusty orbit
plasma vet ds is up there
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is there such a thing as barrel etiquette?
sullen forge
is there such a thing as barrel etiquette?
Not if it’s an annoying player
light badge
like, barreling the smite spammer exactly once since they're just innocent and stupid?
sullen forge
Going into permanent time out
gusty orbit
is there such a thing as barrel etiquette?
for randoms? hell no, they are less than humans, for sensible people try to never be around a barrel
stone fern
<@244173531129053194> boot game
i was buying more ibuprofen
paper harness
And?
hushed knoll
i was buying more ibuprofen
CLAD I was worried
stone fern
gimmie like 10 minutes
hushed knoll
You weren’t here yesterday
stone fern
i was
stone fern
thats one word yeah
paper harness
I go smoke
spare dome
i cant believe dorn is also a filthy smoker
hushed knoll
Corn wtf
spare dome
we should quit
stone fern
i cant believe dorn is also a filthy smoker
im one too
hushed knoll
Clad whyyyy
nimble fiber
stone fern
helps with autism
hushed knoll
AZRAVAL HIIII 
paper harness
we should quit
No
When I get cancer I am simply throwing myself into the grand canyon
spare dome
you dont gotta wait for the cancer to do that
nimble fiber
hi stan
paper harness
spare dome
lmao
frosty herald
gusty orbit
When I get cancer I am simply throwing myself into the grand canyon
to see if the fire within you burns brighter than the fire outside, good
frosty herald
the final talent choices for my tank zealot
paper harness
to see if the fire within you burns brighter than the fire outside, good
My tonk build
stone fern
@grand tangle hey if you're playing more you can join dorn and I
placid fiber
Wouldn't you be able to get good balance if you were to take chastise instead of chorus, since you would save 1 talent point going to the right under benediction?
grand tangle
<@140986842756546561> hey if you're playing more you can join dorn and I
sure
one sec
no mic tho
stone fern
ye same here
placid fiber
Wouldn't you be able to get good balance if you were to take chastise instead of...
The only reason I ask is cause you would be even more tanky with good balance
@paper harness See? Slightly more "tonk" when your career is down. :3
placid fiber
You're taking soc over sustained assault?
I was making Dorn's tonk build a bit more "tonky" #zealot-class message
placid fiber
"...live Bandit reaction."
fleet zealot
Launch the ferret
meager fern
What's the dump stat and best blessings for crusher maul?
jagged fulcrum
Tuna artillery
fleet zealot
What's the dump stat and best blessings for crusher maul?
Dump defenses
Slaught skullcrusher or slaught thrust
meager fern
What sbout same question but fir heavy sword snd combat axe
fleet zealot
Brutal momentum/deathblow (same blessing different name) plus headtaker
Same dumps, mobility or defenses
meager fern
Defense on sword, mobility on axe?
fleet zealot
If the weapon has mobility you can dump mobility, if it has defenses dump defenses, if it has both it is usually better to dump defenses if you have the spare dockets to care
meager fern
Kk ty so much dude
young sorrel
whats the best range combo to use with T-Hammer? been using ole reliable revolver, and braced auto, but want to try differnt things.
misty nova
Flamer or any shotgun
stone fern
nah its just your eyes fluttering
frosty herald
And i wiped because of that bullshit
I couldve chasticed into a trapper
But this game said go fuck yourself
frosty herald
Freaky ass panther
tame mirage
c:
pale spindle
tame mirage
just use second wind lol
south grove
pale spindle
So he picks u yielding for bosses, and then picks 2 blessings that are useless for bosses
tame mirage
pale spindle
This is literally the easiest build on the planet to get right
ember yew
pale spindle
And he fucked it up on a bold gun
ember yew
there's triple sniper resist
tame mirage
oh..
ember yew
that's overkill bruh
light badge
I am displeased
pale spindle
there's triple sniper resist
HP mainstat curio 🤮
light badge
what's wrong with hp curios?
pale spindle
Sorry I'm a triple toughness Chad
south grove
there's triple sniper resist
fire frenzy is useless on boltgun
ember yew
>HP mainstat curio 🤮
south grove
especially when you 2 hit breakpoint everything except crusher and bosses
pale spindle
Bruh if u cut the portrait off I would think it was an Ogryn
south grove
Bruh if u cut the portrait off I would think it was an Ogryn
wrong!
ogryns have 3 wound
also merry christmas
pale spindle
U think I can count?
young sorrel
so t-hammer and flamer, whats a flamer build? obviously dump mobility
south grove
U think I can count?
I apologise for my insolence
south grove
so t-hammer and flamer, whats a flamer build? obviously dump mobility
wrong!
flamer dumps damage
young sorrel
flamer dumps damage
and blessing wise?
south grove
which only changes burn intensity and impact damage in a negligible amount
ember yew
so t-hammer and flamer, whats a flamer build? obviously dump mobility
blaze away overpressure to burn everything apart from Crushers, for perks you can go Unyelding + whatever flak/maniac/elites
pale spindle
Day 20 of finding a YouTube build that isn't dogwater
obsidian ore
Anyways going shopping with my woman, god fucking damnit it's gonna take ages is...
Currently she's stuck between 4 shoes, asks me if she looks good in them, I say she looks good in all of them, asks me to choose one, I choose one, she says "no I don't think that looks good", goes back to being indecisive
LORD HAVE MERCY
south grove
Day 20 of finding a YouTube build that isn't dogwater
I'll start a youtube channel
and copy everything dorn teaches me
young sorrel
I'm out here just trying to get guud at zealot again... hadnt played since well before U&L
harsh quartz
and copy everything dorn teaches me
Your first lesson should be grab all the ammo even if your inventory is full
south grove
Your first lesson should be grab all the ammo even if your inventory is full
I saw him take the entire chasm terminus assassination chest
he threw a couple knife and took them all
pale spindle
Yes, take the ammo the PUBS will waste it
harsh quartz
Exactly
south grove
we got there 5 whole minutes before the pubbers got there
because there was a smyker on the team
pale spindle
Forcing them to actually use their melee will also improve the run
harsh quartz
I main zealot with evisc so I really only use revolver for snipers
I hardly grab any ammo in pubs
fast iron
i do not feel surprised that the most evil class channel here is zealot.
paper harness
<@1273699265243381802> https://youtu.be/K0Uc8aZg6Hk?si=jm0PZ_1Tjsk47kxO
Going to shoot myself
harsh quartz
I’m tempted to finally level my thammer masteries and use with flamer though
south grove
Going to shoot myself
you free today?
pale spindle
Going to shoot myself
In game? 🤔
fast iron
nah, psyker's just talk about how to do cool things without exploding their brain
misty nova
Day 20 of finding a YouTube build that isn't dogwater
I'll start a yt channel
It'll be peak for Darktide info
The catch is that my microphone will be the most dogshit out there
paper harness
you free today?
Yes
Playing ck3 for a few hours tho
Craving the destruction of Charlemagne’s family
south grove
I'll be mortifying my flesh or smth
paper harness
and copy everything dorn teaches me
Don’t copy exactly what I do
You haven’t spent 500 hours researching how the director works
paper harness
I'll start a yt channel
It'll be peak for Darktide info
The catch is that my m...
Yeah I need to get round to setting up obs and my mic
south grove
All fallout players are serial murderers in the making
paper harness
All fallout players are serial murderers in the making
Should I create a character or pick an existing real person
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question because I can't test this at the moment
does lethal proximity affect Burster explosions?
had several instances where I thought I was out of range, killed the burster with a bistol, then took damage anyhow
frosty herald
What
paper harness
does lethal proximity affect Burster explosions?
No, but it would be really funny
south grove
Should I create a character or pick an existing real person
go with a character creation
south grove
does lethal proximity affect Burster explosions?
ultra burster barrel
plucky gate
does lethal proximity affect Burster explosions?
i wish
imagine if it worked on barrels
south grove
(knock all my pub teammates off the map)
light badge
imagine if it worked on barrels
prayge
pale spindle
https://youtu.be/bt3_q8z0dzw?si=B8UXzk5BcrASCeIi
Twitch Streamer tutorial video
pale spindle
Wtf is that?
south grove
the tunnel visioning of pubbers will go up 200%
south grove
Wtf is that?
insignias in the files
pale spindle
Wtf they look cool
south grove
we know the 2h psword is sometime soon
pale spindle
Let me use them
hearty nebula
tintin idk how to tell u this but unlocked & loaded is already out...
stable fox
far as I can see fatshark likes to tease weapons.
south grove
I also feel like sanctioned (the insignia) is just the force sword
hearty nebula
and it didnt have the 2h psword...
stable fox
they like to have stuff in files they never actually release too.
south grove
tintin idk how to tell u this but unlocked & loaded is already out...
they used the asset
frosty herald
Tin you crack smoker look behind the sword
south grove
it shall happen
stable fox
IE. we have no FUCKING IDEA what they'll add next.
frosty herald
Theres another one with a different hilt
south grove
Theres another one with a different hilt
yea
hearty nebula
they use assets they shouldn't all the time
south grove
too lazy to circle two
stable fox
I think Ogryn's getting a ranged weapon of some sort in grim protocals tho.
hearty nebula
example: there was the scope with the newest skins
pale spindle
Asset Deez nutts
south grove
example: there was the scope with the newest skins
you mean the holosight on the helbore?
frosty herald
Yknow what would be cool
stable fox
example: there was the scope with the newest skins
reflex sights and flashlights where they don't belong.
frosty herald
If the greatsword is unlocked when you kill rinda in the grim protocol assignement
south grove
but using swords in the file probably is (cope cope cope cope)
south grove
If the greatsword is unlocked when you kill rinda in the grim protocol assigneme...
it might be a vet only weapon honestly
hearty nebula
though i will be very pleased if we get new weapons
vernal terrace
All fallout players are serial murderers in the making
WTH my people
meager fern
@fleet zealot you mean bladed momentum and headtaker on both combat axe and heavy sword?
hearty nebula
it might be a vet only weapon honestly
killing myself
frosty herald
it might be a vet only weapon honestly
Well see
south grove
WTH my people
yep
frosty herald
If power greatsword is only on vet ill be slightly sad
south grove
there's been a trend of 2 handed class exclusive melee being added
frosty herald
I havent optimized my vet yet
south grove
evis, pickaxe, and now 2h power sword
vernal terrace
it might be a vet only weapon honestly
more likely a zealot weapon tbh, vet doesn’t really scream running around with a giant slab of metal
pale spindle
frosty herald
But it shouldnt be an issue
What about both
Zealot is specialised in 2handed weaponry and vet in power weapons
south grove
more likely a zealot weapon tbh, vet doesn’t really scream running around with a...
shhh
vernal terrace
And i can’t think of any lore or weapons that would justify a greatsword vet
south grove
I am the herald of despair
frosty herald
And i can’t think of any lore or weapons that would justify a greatsword vet
Rule of cool
south grove
quail before me
frosty herald
And the voc vet chestpiece has a imperial seal loincloth
south grove
GW hates that
geedubs doesn't
they kinda got the ball rolling
giving fatshark creative control tho
that's a nono
sullen forge
vernal terrace
I feel like there would need to be something, somewhere in the universe to justify a greatsword wielding vet but as it stands there is more lore back for them to get thunder claws and power fists than that
sullen forge
I mean we’re using Heavy Swords
sullen forge
Yeah cause you’re a grub
south grove
Behold: The barbarian... but with a rapier!
average zealot player with DS4
south grove
I feel like there would need to be something, somewhere in the universe to justi...
there is still points where geedubs let fatshark do what they want
vernal terrace
I mean we’re using Heavy Swords
That makes sense though cause I’m sure vostroyian imperial guardsmen use them
placid fiber
average zealot player with DS4
ikr?
sullen forge
That makes sense though cause I’m sure vostroyian imperial guardsmen use them
They do
frosty herald
iirc crusher is a game exclusive weapon
Arbites
frosty herald
I think both
south grove
judge dredd copycat
south grove
I think both
don't think so tho
vernal terrace
Crushers are mentioned in a 40k book I was listening to
But I can’t remember which or wtf they were called
But the jist was a two handed power mace
sullen forge
Never seen it so it’s not real
vernal terrace
Zealot is getting power greatsword 100% its only natural
They are certainly the most lore accurate class for it
south grove
They are certainly the most lore accurate class for it
when in doubt
remember vet is a certain company's favourite class
vernal terrace
although I will be needing a meltagun, hellgun or longlas as a cope
south grove
it shalt be done
frosty herald
Crusaders are literally shown to use greatswords
south grove
power cycler for vet!!!!
south grove
Crusaders are literally shown to use greatswords
true
vernal terrace
Crusaders are literally shown to use greatswords
Crusaders are a direct class evolution of zealots though imo
frosty herald
Crusader is the most logical subclass for zealot
fleet zealot
<@301217938306760704> you mean bladed momentum and headtaker on both combat axe ...
no
bladed momentum is garbage
too short duration, too little value and can't be procced on what you want to use it on
brutal momentum on axe and deathblow on heavy sword is the same blessing and it's best in slot for both of them
sullen forge
Bladed momentum was expected to be strong before release
And then it’s completely doodooshit
Lmao
fleet zealot
Bladed momentum was expected to be strong before release
who expected it lol
that short duration+ inability to proc on the targets that you actually need rending for had it DOA
light badge
Currently taking a hot bath, recovering from a panic attack
Someone please give me something to argue about
south grove
Someone please give me something to argue about
I hate the force sword
chainsword is better in every way
light badge
Depends on the mark, imo
misty nova
Someone please give me something to argue about
Smite is better than Assail
light badge
Smite is better than Assail
Elaborate or die
fleet zealot
Someone please give me something to argue about
chorus is more skill intensive and engaging than fury of the faithful
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I will not <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
visual stream
No he would be a smite spammer for sure
light badge
chorus is more skill intensive and engaging than fury of the faithful
Unironically agree tbh
visual stream
Not BR
misty nova
If you ignore everything else and only focus on lots of carapace mixed hordes then smite better than assail
light badge
No he would be a smite spammer for sure
He's the kinda guy to run a gambling build
misty nova
light badge
Flayer, no Resonance
frosty herald
light badge
Along with a myriad of chance based talents
visual stream
No he owns the casinos, he doesn't play in them
placid fiber
chorus is more skill intensive and engaging than fury of the faithful
Especially when you push troll a boss off of the ledge lol
visual stream
He makes horrible business decisions and relies on government bailouts
Sounds like smite to me
placid fiber
Or stun the daemonhost attacking someone lol
light badge
No he owns the casinos, he doesn't play in them
He owns massively failing casinos 
fleet zealot
Unironically agree tbh
i'm leaving
misty nova
Along with a myriad of chance based talents
Battle med
Purloin
What else
light badge
He makes horrible business decisions and relies on government bailouts
Holy Revenant:
misty nova
Perfectionism
visual stream
He owns massively failing casinos <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Which how is that possible
sullen forge
Someone please give me something to argue about
Argue about Illisi vs Deimos
opal star
dear smykers
can you please kill the enemies with an attack that does damage thanks
placid fiber
Someone please give me something to argue about
ketchup belongs on icecream(it doens't x.x)
visual stream
dear smykers
can you please kill the enemies with an attack that does damage tha...
No you MUST kill every single rager out of the 20-pack of them or you are a troll
Don't stare at the smyker to kill the last one when you killed the other 19 or you are a troll
Unironically how one of my matches went last night
misty nova
As this smite talk started as a joke I will not elaborate on how smite kill stuff
For the funny you know
opal star
Unironically how one of my matches went last night
"but enfeeble! I'm helping!!" ❌ ❌ ❌
misty nova
🫡
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Argue about Illisi vs Deimos
Illisi is mid outside of having the most absurd toughness regen in Psyker's kit
Deimos is just objectively more versatile (and therefore better)
placid fiber
dear smykers
can you please kill the enemies with an attack that does damage tha...
running the middle keystone is just too hard for them
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"but enfeeble! I'm helping!!" ❌ ❌ ❌
Do people unironically use enfeeble?
misty nova
You kinda need to 
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Can we put enfeeble on bran burst instead thanks
opal star
enfeeble the daemonhost ⁉️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥
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Can we put enfeeble on bran burst instead thanks
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spare dome
Enfeeble is such shit
placid fiber
Can we put enfeeble on bran burst instead thanks
I mean it already does... by killing them <_<'
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"but enfeeble! I'm helping!!" ❌ ❌ ❌
I talked back to him and he went down for the sixth time in five minutes and he goes "Widewawwy imagine being a psykew and no one covews you 
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Had to clutch that match three fucking times btw
spare dome
I honestly think they need to buff base Smite and nerf EP smite to split the difference