zealot-class

[wind dagger]

there was never a point where the crucius was the "bad" hammer

[delicate shadow]

love eating curiOs

[sterile basalt]

Nah before U&L update it was just not good

One trick boss damage, everything else is bad

[wind dagger]

it was still better than ironhelm tho lol

[sterile basalt]

Ironhelm at least had smth going for

[frosty herald]

This is why we dont play silo cluster

[opaque island]

are you being sarcastic? you woulda been half dead without gunner resist

[spare talon]

it wasnt just that
there was nothing mentioned for the event or the teaser
there was nothing to keep up with lmao

[vale carbon]

you could oneshot a Demon, but you'd be otherwise struggling more than with ironhelm is what i, several friends, and even people here said about it

[hard nexus]

i had gunner res

[delicate shadow]

tru

[hard nexus]

i was being sarcastic

[opaque island]

I am a tone indicator needer it seems

[dense field]

You see, a ✨more sophisticated gamer✨ would've dodged the mutant
Clearly a skill issue 🧐

[vale carbon]

no see the problem here is that you weren't clicking heads good enough
you should always be planning your build around 100% headshot rates no matter what because that's just what you do as a real gamer right guys?

[delicate shadow]

yes

I just aim so high up my swings are either headshots or misses, 100% hs rate ezpz

[vale carbon]

after all, you take blades of faith because you never ever miss a throw like a real gamer

[spare talon]

gunner resist is terrible because you still take damage when you are hit
so why use it at all

[vale carbon]

Gunner resist is bad because it doesn't kill them instantly

[vague depot]

Without any buffs how many headshots does it take to kill a mutant with tknife

[spare talon]

(and its the voc addicts who say this)

[sullen forge]

Gunner res is SOOO BAD right @hard nexus ?

[vague depot]

I’m wondering if it’s worth it to try to throw when it’s charging at me or just be normal and dodge the charge

[vale carbon]

lights or heavies?

[sullen forge]

its soooo bad

[vague depot]

Throwing knife

[dense field]

Gunner resist is bad because it doesn't kill me instantly

[opaque island]

fuck throwing knives all my homies (me) hate throwing knives

[delicate shadow]

wait so what actually inspired people to say gunner res is bad?

did I miss some fuckery?

[spare talon]

tanner

[drifting wolf]

tanner

[delicate shadow]

OH

[vale carbon]

i believe it's three?

[vague depot]

Alright thanks

[delicate shadow]

what else would you take if not gunner res

[vague depot]

I’ll just stab them normally

[vague depot]

Extra dockets

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-22758110

[orchid cipher]

nonono

extra xp

of course

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[orchid cipher]

gotta pad my level

[vague depot]

Does extra exp apply to the true level mod btw

[vale carbon]

granted some benefits you'll almost alway have so it may be only 2 per mutant most of the time

[orchid cipher]

pretty sure it does

[vale carbon]

or 1

[spare talon]

cooldown reduction obviously
those 3.6 seconds for all 3 slots make or break your build

[dense field]

Extra xp for those lobby numbers

[vague depot]

True

[delicate shadow]

so true

[vale carbon]

mutant damage resist gang

[spare talon]

(i wish i was making this up this is also a common opinion even on zealot crit cdr and vet specialist cdr)

[dense field]

Bomber 🤌

[orchid cipher]

bomber res

[opaque island]

why do you need curio CDR when you have 1% of damage taken CDR?

:^)

[delicate shadow]

that's really funny ngl

[wind dagger]

there was an ogryn in my mission just now constantly backseating in vc

checked scoreboard after and i realized he was backseating because he took almost 3k dmg lmao

[south grove]

@jagged cradle FS server lmfao\

sorry

[vale carbon]

bit of a tangent, but im trying to do something
what is the ugliest combonation of cosmetics you can make on zealot?

[jagged cradle]

Stop

[dense field]

ngl it saved my ass a lot of times

Like, A LOT

[vale carbon]

so far the best i can think up is one of the checkerboard pants and the starting hobo shirt

[spare talon]

on what tho

[dense field]

FotF

[spare talon]

cuz i can see a case being made for a build without any cdr

like martyrdom

[dense field]

All cdr

[vague depot]

Why is the 1% cdr on hp damage taken a thing

It’s quite literally the worst thing for martyrdom specifically once you hit max stacks

[spare talon]

it wouldnt be a real video game without some bait talents

[vale carbon]

hey, if that was on your reload time people would be creaming themselves

[vague depot]

Take a shot everyone meow makes a martyrdom build and picks it by accident

[sterile basalt]

I kind of actually want to try skirmisher for real

And see how bad it is

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-tipsy-good-night-gif-14176102

[spare talon]

they made it last for 8s

i just dunno how fast it stacks

[sterile basalt]

Once for every full 1s spent sprinting

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177111856813449250/1298248978449563709/togif-4.gif

thats so ass

[sterile basalt]

If u sprint slide mix, u don’t get many stacks

It’s genuinely just

[spare talon]

THATS SO ASS

[sterile basalt]

I know

[spare talon]

and the other option is 10% attack speed, one of the literal best talents on any build in the game

[sterile basalt]

I think it needs to be able to stack from dodge & slide

Ngl

[spare talon]

a mini IJ for vet in one talent lmao

[sterile basalt]

Yea

It could be lower number

[spare talon]

if they made it match ij in damage thatd be fine

[sterile basalt]

But tbh it’s still not as good as IJ cuz IJ does so many more

Skirmisher is just damage

[spare talon]

because itd be missing all the extra benefits

[sterile basalt]

25% is a lot but

[spare talon]

its the difference between a keystone and a talent

in that case i think it should just be movement

like base ij

[sterile basalt]

If it was 20% with dodge & slide stacking I’d consider using it

But if it was like only 15% at max stacks I don’t think I’d consider it

[sullen forge]

Honestly I wouldn't mind if it considered sliding and dodging but they'd need to nerf its stacks imo

[sterile basalt]

Make it like

[sullen forge]

that or how much it ramps to 5 stacks

[sterile basalt]

3 stacks?

And do slide & dodge stacking

Keep it at 15%

Then it could be perhaps useful

[sullen forge]

Honestly if I could one thing changed on Veteran

it would be Marksman Focus

[sterile basalt]

I could see myself taking that as a last point luxury

[sterile basalt]

It needs to be FNP but finesse

That’s literally it

[spare talon]

good one, its funny cuz vet never has that luxury

[sterile basalt]

This “shoot 2 guys then u get ur bonus damage” thing is pathetic

[sterile basalt]

Nah

[sullen forge]

Look I want it to be

You can click heads regardless of weapon?

alright enjoy buffs cause you have the skills to keep it up

[sterile basalt]

It depends on how willing you’re in terms of giving up right side nodes

[sterile basalt]

Yea just make it long-staying and only drop if u get a non weakspot hit

[sullen forge]

What I was thinking but I'd

[spare talon]

bold assumption

[sullen forge]

want its total % to be nerfed over all

for the exchange of buffing both melee and ranged

[sterile basalt]

Then u’d still have like 1~2 points left tbh

[sullen forge]

and via proccing from Melee Weakspot and Ranged Weakspot

[sterile basalt]

I don’t think it buffing melee is necessarily a good thing

[placid fiber]

Dude! I found rocket powered boxing gloves in this rogue legacy 2 run!

[sterile basalt]

And if its value is too low, it’s not worth running

Because it’s already finesse

Focus target hits about the same breakpoints for most weapons

Just with way less shenanigans about how to get that damage bonus

I think a subnode could be like
Melee weakspot hits & kills also replenish lost stacks

So it’s not entirely separate from melee

[placid fiber]

Oh and: the explosions can hurt me

[sullen forge]

I wouldn't mind that I just want some sort of

minor melee synergy

so its at least not fucking

You play WS or FT

thats it

you will not acknowledge MF's existence

[jagged cradle]

Ugh I suck

[south grove]

@jagged cradle we've been playing with duo queues both time

[south grove]

you lived

I timed my reload wrong

died on the spot from shooters

that was my nad

[jagged cradle]

I tried saving you the best I could

[frosty herald]

Noobnoob

[south grove]

it's okay

I didn't position myself right for you to save

[jagged cradle]

I played bad at the end

[south grove]

I'm getting an error 9999

dunno why

you having any issues?

[sullen forge]

Just dont be bad at the game duh-

[jagged cradle]

Nope

[spare talon]

what the fuck is causing oveproof to do this

[south grove]

shockmaul isn't fixed in ovenproof

so yea

dw about it

[spare talon]

its annoying

[south grove]

it indeed is

I wish there'd be a way to turn it off

[south grove]

gonna fix a few things about my build

then we can continue

[jagged cradle]

Ok

[dusky moon]

slow LFG night

[jagged cradle]

Maybe cica will be ready by then

[frosty herald]

I need that damn devblog

[jagged cradle]

For what?

[final forge]

do you guys have room? and what are you running? just started playing again

[jagged cradle]

Auric maelstrom

We have room if you’re fine with that

[sterile stone]

Looks like your cheats stopped working buddy

Reported

[frosty herald]

Grim protocol

[final forge]

ya thats fine

[dusky moon]

got room for a 4th, im bored as shit

[jagged cradle]

@south grove are you ok with that

[south grove]

ya

[jagged cradle]

Cica is gonna join us soon sorry

[south grove]

we'll clear out after cica joins

[dusky moon]

all good

[jagged cradle]

Maybe next week hopefully

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-ogryn-ogryn-reaction-live-reaction-plague-ogryn-live-reaction-gif-1395788199602766548

[jagged cradle]

It’ll probably come out the same time as PlayStation port so shouldn’t have to wait too long

[frosty herald]

I know

But hopefully this week well get that blog

[south grove]

merry christmas

[wind dagger]

is there a site where we can look at all of the cosmetics that have come out

[frosty herald]

Get the mod for it

[sterile stone]

There's youtube channel that does commentary for each outfit that comes out

I think the dude's name is Mugsy

[vernal terrace]

https://fxtwitter.com/catsillyness/status/1855674329133899979?s=46&t=CkPIVDfF83VB32jbp9Lyrg

@spare talon

[frosty herald]

Gay

As in homosexual

[ember yew]

Probably around 1-4 december (as in 2023)

and then FS out for 2+ months

on vacation

there will be 1-2 interns doing hotfixes, but no more than that

then another update probably in march

[vernal terrace]

Nuh uh

[sterile basalt]

Would it be heretical to drop sustained assault for desperation on crusher if I could only pick one between the two

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-dbz-gif-9742184

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177111856813449250/1298248978449563709/togif-4.gif

[honest burrow]

I still don't get why people get such massive egos over a PvE game lmfao, had a Zealot go off today over the dumbest stuff tooting his own horn while dead the whole time lmfao. It's a PvE game, people need to chill. The enemies aren't going to do anything different or outplay you.

[ember yew]

there's no reason to get desperation over sustained tbh

[spare talon]

erm, its cuz im better than you?

obviously

[sterile basalt]

I’m thinking of cutting point cost on a piety build

[honest burrow]

The Gunners don't care!

[sterile basalt]

I’m even considering dropping faithful frenzy

[hard nexus]

yes

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-memes-connection-terminated-fnaf-security-breach-fnaf4-fnaf-gif-25323747

[vague depot]

I love people who never stop backseating when someone’s in a last man standing situation

[hard nexus]

sustained assault is just desperation but better

[ember yew]

afaik crusher was always better with IJ

[hard nexus]

tee bee ach

[ember yew]

what you gonna use in ranged slot to go with piety

[sterile basalt]

Piety scale pretty hard tho

[honest burrow]

tbf spite makes me clutch better lmfao

[vague depot]

Sometimes it’s not even backseating it’s like they are just talking for the sake of talking

[sterile basalt]

Sorta
But if I have basically permanent desperation uptime, do I rly need sustained assault

[ember yew]

ngl new crit CDR reset is much better for crusher

[hard nexus]

i guess

i get what u mean

but

post ur build

[spare talon]

i understand
however
post physique

[hard nexus]

lmfao

this is the build he has rn

id bet

@sterile basalt you can drop second chastise charge for faithful frenzy

[ember yew]

ah, this reminded me, this night 2 people quit as i was left clutching solo with my new Focus Target/no melee vet and only level 32 zealot was sitting captured there, but i had 5 frag grenades so it was ez ride in that solo clutch

[hard nexus]

as youll have 100% chastise uptime with crits

[sterile basalt]

I like double charge for gap closing

[ember yew]

then i rescued that level 30+2 guy and 2 new people joined at the end of logistratum ms

experience like that makes MS a funny ride

[hard nexus]

you dont need it

you have a 10 second cooldown

[spare talon]

taxe gaming
normal board remains goofy

[sterile basalt]

It’s around 12~13s

[spare talon]

the clutch in question:

[ember yew]

i'l try this next for crusher

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-the-mitten-ride-kiddie-ride-gif-27659789

[sterile basalt]

Lemme show u my cursed build

[ember yew]

but i may drop a point for 2nd stack of chastise

since IJ CDR sometimes inconsistent

its still good tho

[hard nexus]

it’s 300% CDR

IoD is +200% cooldown reduction

[finite spindle]

yall rly use desperado 😄

[ember yew]

im not sure about new stagger values tbh, after quadruples nerfs(buffs) on both enemy stagger resistance

and punishment

[sterile basalt]

Grievous wounds gives u longer crusher stagger and allows u to break rager combo with any attack on weakspot

[spare talon]

any cdr build with a realistic amount of crit chance such as piety or shred is gonna have 100% crit cdr uptime which means 10s cooldowns, and thus 100% uptime on fotf atk speed

[wind dagger]

this shit goes so hard idk

[hard nexus]

this !

even like

30% crit chance is enough

to be critting every 4 seconds

[ember yew]

i would drop desperation for 20% ogromonstro damage tho

i love that thing

[sterile basalt]

Desperation is the sustained assault replacement here and it’s a crusher

[ember yew]

but i would be running flamer

and flamer benefits insanely from that

i just burn all 5 bulwarks

and move on

[hard nexus]

you could also just drop anoint, greivous wounds for sustained assault

[ember yew]

and all 3+ monstrosity in sight

[ember yew]

that depends on how the stagger perform and he like that or not

i didnt test that

so cant really comment on grievous

[hard nexus]

anything you need to stagger just empowered h1

[copper hawk]

@south grove srry grubgrub will not be on 2night

[copper hawk]

Ran a bit further than usual so no time

Soorgy :p

[hard nexus]

it’s so tintover

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

[south grove]

oh

[copper hawk]

Billions must

[hard nexus]

suck

[hard nexus]

really bad

[south grove]

wish a tintillion knives upon you

[hard nexus]

LOL

[copper hawk]

DONT BE MEAN 2 TINTIN

[sterile basalt]

Nah
Anoint in blood helps Boltgun a lot

[copper hawk]

Tintin r u still using knife and stamina curios

[blissful viper]

whats the best setup for the flamer do yall think

[copper hawk]

Flak unyielding

[hard nexus]

you use bolter for 3-4 things, crushers, reapers, bulwarks, bosses

[copper hawk]

Overpressure blaze away

[south grove]

@jagged cradle conisistency once again

[jagged cradle]

Wow I sucjed

[south grove]

ughhh

[copper hawk]

Or blaze away penetrating flames

[south grove]

no you didn't

[blissful viper]

okay thank you!

[copper hawk]

He's vet brained

[south grove]

you dealt damage while not dying

[copper hawk]

So guns come first

[copper hawk]

Sorrgy !

[hard nexus]

lol true

[south grove]

also

our pub teammate

[copper hawk]

Run out of ammo on zeal moment

[south grove]

he stomped

[copper hawk]

I do that too

[south grove]

with an HHA

[jagged cradle]

I sucked tho lmao I had psword and bp im objectively bad

[copper hawk]

I built my vet loadout to be melee centric

[hard nexus]

@sullen forge was it u

[south grove]

you had consistency

[south grove]

no

[copper hawk]

It would stand to reason the vet main would build around guns on zeal

[hard nexus]

rip

[copper hawk]

Same i did w melee on vet

[south grove]

it was a guy named after a beer

Tsing-Tao

[ember yew]

you could build around guns with pocket Vet with unnerfed Survivalist

[copper hawk]

Chop it off

[ember yew]

i did that before

[broken walrus]

guy got the clap from nurgle

[ember yew]

[south grove]

he stomped us with this @jagged cradle

[jagged cradle]

Who wanted to join us earlier?

[south grove]

😭

[south grove]

sage

[jagged cradle]

It’s so over

[hard nexus]

damn yall suck

[jagged cradle]

Mhm mhm preach

[hard nexus]

or he’s just that goated

who knows

[copper hawk]

Is that the single shot vigilant

[south grove]

what the fuck.

[south grove]

yea

[jagged cradle]

Yerp

[hard nexus]

LOL

[copper hawk]

Opening salvo has a cooldown right

Of a few seconds

[hard nexus]

yeah

[south grove]

he's a vermin 2 boomer

[ember yew]

cut it

[hard nexus]

it’s about when recoil resets iirc

[south grove]

limbsplitter on guns

except it's decent

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[hard nexus]

so, not limbsplitter

[south grove]

[copper hawk]

Yah if i was gonna put that blessing on a gun

[south grove]

I think I'm washed

[copper hawk]

I'd use that as the candidate

[south grove]

he did this with that

[copper hawk]

Byeah

[jagged cradle]

It’s so over for me

[ember yew]

[copper hawk]

It's so meowver 4 u

If i was there,,

I wouldve top scored nya,,

https://tenor.com/view/smug-felix-felix-argyle-femboy-anime-gif-26688983

[hard nexus]

if i was there it would’ve been the easiest 600k damage of my life

[jagged cradle]

I would probably talk if you were here I’m puretty bored

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

That sticker is so u

[south grove]

good map spawn

[hard nexus]

it’s LITERALLY me

[copper hawk]

Purretty*

[hard nexus]

coal map

[jagged cradle]

Mb

[copper hawk]

=^.w.^=

[sterile basalt]

Yea, anoint in blood helps Boltgun maintain 4 shot crusher

[south grove]

FS didn't patch the spawns on this one

[sterile basalt]

Otherwise I wouldn’t be taking it

[copper hawk]

I need 2 get nomad for hourglass

[south grove]

I don't really like this map either

but yea this is a map w/ spawns

[hard nexus]

still 3 crushers to a mag

so

[south grove]

@dusky moon you up for a few rounds?

[copper hawk]

Does sustained assault apply to ranged wpns too

[south grove]

our resident ghoster dipped

[hard nexus]

no

sadly

[south grove]

you can hop in the 4th slot now

[copper hawk]

Downvote !

If u guys r up ill be on tomeowrrow meowrning

[jagged cradle]

Maybe I should ask dorn to teach me

[hard nexus]

saving that one bullet doesn’t do much, as it’s still 3 crushers in a mag

and you’ll be mag dumping 90% of the time, chances are you’ll waste a shot or two

[jagged cradle]

I’m free then :3

[south grove]

I have a med lecture

I'll be back at noon

[hard nexus]

anoint in blood is good but not as good as another free 20% melee damage

[jagged cradle]

I have all tomorrow off thankfully

[south grove]

think I have a few rounds before it tho

[copper hawk]

Ill be gone at noon

[south grove]

ohhh

I'll wake up early

it's gonna be fine

[copper hawk]

No lmfao

[south grove]

I didn't want to say mid round but...

[copper hawk]

Dont wake up for me

Do ur normal schedule

U guyz r weird

[south grove]

6:00 wakeup

[copper hawk]

Nya.

[jagged cradle]

Uh go ahead

[south grove]

I'm fine

[copper hawk]

Meow

R these my grubs ?

[jagged cradle]

No no I wake up early anyway a day before I go back to classes

[jagged cradle]

It’s so my sleep schedule isn’t messed up

[jagged cradle]

I like reloading

[south grove]

that's the only one this time

[hard nexus]

tintin is the group grub

slut..

[south grove]

put it in be prepared

[jagged cradle]

Erm let me think about it

[south grove]

and the other talent into marksman

[jagged cradle]

No

[sterile basalt]

It’s literally 1 talent point

[hard nexus]

1 talent point that could instead give you free melee damage

[south grove]

longshot is a wasted talent

[ember yew]

unlike 20% base ranged damage

[south grove]

if you really want reload put it into tac reload

[grizzled aspen]

Yes be mean to tintin.

[copper hawk]

It's the typical Zealot chat way; advice disguised as banter

[grizzled aspen]

He is on his frog hater arc.

[copper hawk]

To strip it away, as Meow already affirmed, it would benefit you more as a Zealot to have sustained assault as opposed to anoint in blood

[jagged cradle]

Tin I’m not Changing it

[hard nexus]

affirmed

big word

[south grove]

fine fine

also

[hard nexus]

true !

[south grove]

I personally reccomend LP/P instead of DA/Surg

[copper hawk]

For a number of equally important reasons to not be overlooked; Sustained Assault will always be useful, as you are in melee as Zealot in more situations than you are in ranged, so it would be cost effective to forego Anoint in Blood over Sustained Assault

[jagged cradle]

??

[sterile basalt]

Yea, I’m not noticing a huge ttk difference vs crushers tho

[hard nexus]

lethal prox puncture instead of deadly accurate surgical

[hard nexus]

there are things other than crushers!!!!

[sterile basalt]

I’m talking specifically crusher here tho

[copper hawk]

The circumstances whereupon Anoint will be useful will be in the niche times where it is necessary to magdump multiple crushers, however it is more likely your saved shot would still otherwise be missed, and the 3 crusher max would not change

[sterile basalt]

I know sustained assault is generally strong

[grizzled aspen]

I'm not reading all that.

[copper hawk]

If you are taking chastise crushers will be dead

[jagged cradle]

Ty ty meow

[hard nexus]

also crusher is really good against armor already

[copper hawk]

And the chastise would also benefit additively to sustained assault

[sterile basalt]

But what I’ve realized is that
Outside of FotF

Crusher kinda doesn’t kill crushers very fast

[copper hawk]

Not to include that yes the Crusher has both excellent finesse multipliers on certain attacks

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iOYRSUkPOq4HQjcXx?invite=cr-MSx6ak8sMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

yes it does

[grizzled aspen]

Pick up grievous wounds so you can stagger them and get skullcrusher stacks.

[copper hawk]

You arent always fighting just Crushers

[jagged cradle]

No btw

[topaz vapor]

Hii

[copper hawk]

A common unspoken philosophy I have noticed among Zealot builds is that you build to generalize as much as you can

As enemies are aplenty and you want to get the most bang for your bucj

[sterile basalt]

With 5 slaughterer stacks up it changes the stagger breakpoints a bit

[copper hawk]

Buck*

[sterile basalt]

Without, it’s not enabling the stagger long enough

[hard nexus]

path ur fucking vet brained

i’m sorry

but ur cooked

[copper hawk]

You will manage both Ogryn Executors better, and the chittering hordes of Nurgle's chosen, in general if you drop grievous and anoint for sustained assault

[hard nexus]

anoint in blood is going to get you significantly less value than sustained assault

[ember yew]

because the tree itself is sht sadly

[hard nexus]

why so thesaurus-ful

[ember yew]

not much variety

[copper hawk]

You are not a class designed to kill individual targets, your class is designed around handling multiple opponents

[sterile basalt]

It wasn’t even about sustained assault, I was using desperation as replacement

[copper hawk]

There are some builds that emphasize single target damage

However, this is with melee weapons

Exclusively

[hard nexus]

and i’m saying if you want desperation, just stack both sustained assault and desperation together

[copper hawk]

To build around a ranged weapon and forego 20% of free extra damage for just hitting enemies would be, in my opinion, an unwise decision

[grizzled aspen]

Hes on his vocabulary arc.

[copper hawk]

It would behoove you to reconsider

[grizzled aspen]

Gotta exercise his brain so he doesn't rot it to pieces.

[copper hawk]

I'm doing this to not sound like a fool in the hopes my point will come across better

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

You're not helping your case bro.

Like I 100% agree with you but it's not helping.

[copper hawk]

Although he can run however and whatever he pleases

Our recommendations are just that, recommendations

U do u kween yas slayyyyy

[hard nexus]

(my recommendations are correct though)

[copper hawk]

💅 ✨

Hawk kabooma

Bolter on that Crusher

[hard nexus]

explode

[sterile basalt]

Nah I mean like
I already know that more than half my damage is dependent on skullcrusher doing its job
I’m saying that from what I’ve seen, desperation vs sustained assault vs both is not that huge of a difference in terms of kill efficiency specifically for the crusher

[copper hawk]

I would explode w one rocket less

If u took anoint meow

[hard nexus]

so then just take one or the other

both stacked on top are great

[sterile basalt]

Yea, I was taking desperation

[copper hawk]

This is almost the same argument tanner made for why damage dump stat is viable lmfak

Lmfao*

Yes but breakpoints

[hard nexus]

it doesn’t REALLY change ttk!

[copper hawk]

This is like theory vs practice in politics lmfao

[hard nexus]

lol yeah

[sterile basalt]

Nah damage dump stat is dumb

[copper hawk]

Why?

[hard nexus]

so close…

[south grove]

@paper harness where are you...

[copper hawk]

If you hit break points and the ttk is the same for a weapon, then is damage necessary?

Why prioritize damage?

[hard nexus]

probably sleeping in sp1

oh

he’s not

lol

rare

[south grove]

the astronomicon has dimmed

[copper hawk]

This might be a lead a snoy to gloop but cant make him drink meowment nya

[sterile basalt]

Tanner is not aware of actual breakpoints or breakpoint stages between enemies

[frosty herald]

Cica shut up

[hard nexus]

i’d get on pc to prove my point to u path

but

[copper hawk]

Okay, let's say he's aware

[hard nexus]

sleepy..

[copper hawk]

Just let him run his builds meow

He'll come around

[copper hawk]

:<

[frosty herald]

If you hit a crusher breakpoint with 60% damage

[copper hawk]

This the part where u unfriend me like dawn

[sterile basalt]

If ur point is “sustained assault is good”, I already know that

[copper hawk]

Siiiiigh

[frosty herald]

Why would you still dump it?

[copper hawk]

Astaghfirullahs at u

[frosty herald]

You can still aply full damage to bosses or other enemies

[hard nexus]

my point is both stacked on top of each other is better than just desperation and GW/anoint

[grizzled aspen]

Wallahi I'll block you.

[sterile basalt]

Yea I know that is also good

[frosty herald]

Im gonna touch you

In a freaky way

[copper hawk]

:<

[grizzled aspen]

Bro.

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-knuckles-freaky-gif-12830799583270855342

[grizzled aspen]

You can't say that.

[sterile basalt]

I don’t take anoint in blood outside of Boltgun

[hard nexus]

boltgun does not need it !

[grizzled aspen]

Boltgun does not need anoint.

[hard nexus]

changing crusher BP by one shot is irrelevant!

[grizzled aspen]

Especially if you're running shattering puncture, like you should be.

[grizzled aspen]

I dont even think it does.

[hard nexus]

path said it makes it 4 instead of 5

[sullen forge]

@light badge I have been enlightened

Melee Psyker

is in fact

[hard nexus]

lmfao

peak

[sullen forge]

very real

[grizzled aspen]

You get 4 with shattering puncture.

[sterile basalt]

It changes from 4 shots + bleed for 3 seconds to 4 shot immediate kill

[grizzled aspen]

Anoint is not needed.

[sterile basalt]

I don’t like the “bleed for 3 seconds” part

[grizzled aspen]

That just means you're goofy.

Just let the crusher bleed out smh.

I only see anoint as necessary for bulwark racism and boss killing.

And that's only because you're forced to take it to grab purge.

[frosty herald]

Bolter bleed is nice for cleanup

[spare talon]

there is no way

[sullen forge]

How new

take a bet on how new 🚬

[vague depot]

Bring back stat boards and green circles some people are getting some insanely inflated heads over getting the last hit on a boss

[frosty herald]

...

Sooo he says his team is bad

Yet cant complete malice

[vague depot]

“I can hold my own” you failed a malice mission

Ton of vermintide

[spare talon]

tbh he says hes lvl 14

tbf

but still

[vague depot]

I bet 20 quid he meant 50 hours

On like champ or vet

[sullen forge]

30

[south grove]

scoreboard too shameful to post

that was embarassing

holy fuck

[jagged cradle]

Let me see how bad I did

Cmon

[south grove]

you killed me twice

[jagged cradle]

Nope

[south grove]

I think that's an indicator of how well you did

[jagged cradle]

Awful

Good to know

[vague depot]

Scoreboard mod helped me confirm that I’m not as bad as I believe I was but it also made me revert to vermintide circle chasing

[south grove]

until death saved me

[south grove]

you did well actually

[vague depot]

I’m eating way too many hits trying to get kills

[south grove]

just way too much ammo consumption and waste

[sterile stone]

I wish for the masses to experience my pain

Hi shock with the new modifier on auric

So many got damn pub players ignoring my warnings

"Stay off bridges and away from ledges"

[jagged cradle]

Show score board or it didn’t happen

[sterile stone]

Only to see billions just get launched to their instant death

Then rage quit

[jagged cradle]

Waste how

[grizzled aspen]

Scoreboard records ammo that is wasted.

[final forge]

sorry i dont show more useful stuff on mine :S

[grizzled aspen]

Like if an ammo stash restores 200 ammo, and you only need 160 ammo, 40 ammo is recorded as wasted.

[south grove]

you took 230% total ammo reserves

but you wasted 111% of it

[grizzled aspen]

I dont think scoreboard records it as a %

[south grove]

I ate zero ammo, the other members ate 110 combined

[frosty terrace]

Is there any sweat online that knows if rending still applies to bleed?

[south grove]

I have it set to precentage

[grizzled aspen]

It does.

[south grove]

you can config it to bullets wasted

[grizzled aspen]

Rending applies to all DOT's.

[south grove]

but that varies between weapons

[frosty terrace]

W, thanks

[grizzled aspen]

Are you two still gaming? Can't sleep and figured I'd tide a bit.

[south grove]

we'll have a full team

yes

[frosty herald]

When can we see the true solo havoc 40?

[grizzled aspen]

Lemme brush my hair out and I'll boot it up.

[jagged cradle]

Then I did bad

[sterile stone]

It the new mode stacks modifiers liek crime spree

[spare talon]

dont
the more crusty you are the better you tide

[sterile stone]

Then never

[mental coral]

does dueling sword not use thrust blessing? Seeing a bunch of guides n stuff suggesting uncanny + riposte Isn't thrust like broke as fuck.

[sterile stone]

I doubt anyone with any amount of self care would try a 40 havoc solo or with bots

[frosty herald]

Its like crime spree yuppers

[south grove]

cancerous modifier but your fav map

[grizzled aspen]

It does, but only for zealout, really, and thats because we can brute force breakpoints with duellist.

[spare talon]

uncanny riposte is good for ds5
but ds4 can make real good use of thrust on zealot

[jagged cradle]

Yay

I didn’t remember ever mentioning that being my favorite

[mental coral]

This is what im using rn, tho the perks are a bit whack ngl cuz I just slap flakiac on everything as a default

[south grove]

I remember

[spare talon]

dont need uncanny on it tho when you have fotf crit cdr

[south grove]

you said it when we did it w/ frog

[spare talon]

can swap it with precog

[grizzled aspen]

I would use riposte.

[spare talon]

then you get this

[frosty herald]

You can dump penentration with uncanny tho

[jagged cradle]

Creepy

[grizzled aspen]

I have commandeered the rest of the cosmic brownies from my brothers.

[frosty herald]

Only when your fast enough that your team doesnt trigger the voidshield health trigger

[grizzled aspen]

This, but it only spawns burgles.

[mental coral]

🤔

Wat perks would I put on the weapon then

[spare talon]

i use flak unyielding

[grizzled aspen]

@south grove who is Thidus?

[sterile stone]

It's weird seeing everyone picking up dueling swords now

Even vets

[frosty herald]

I still use my thammer

[spare talon]

cuz theyre busted as all hell

they were balanced for psyker

[mental coral]

"balanced"

for psyker

[sterile stone]

Good psykers are a rarity these days

I see more than 1 psyker in a lobby I know that run is doomed to fail

[delicate shadow]

they were overpowered on psyker

[south grove]

I have a good memory

[jagged cradle]

Yippee yahoo my favorite map

[south grove]

that's all

[spare talon]

and then they put them on vet and zealot who are much better at melee

[south grove]

gonna be playing a weapon I don't understand

[jagged cradle]

I was joking I do too

[south grove]

watch me fail

[delicate shadow]

I'm glad FS opened up weapon types to more classes but they really dropped the ball on balancing any of it, hell they went and powercrept them by giving everything thrust

[sterile stone]

Would you say DS is better than hammer tho

[jagged cradle]

It’s not rocket science

[south grove]

it is

[delicate shadow]

I'd say DS and Crusher are both better than hammer

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bison-street-fighter-yes-gif-3718772

[south grove]

crusher combos will forever vex me

[jagged cradle]

Stop over exaggerating

[south grove]

crusher combos are nightmares

[jagged cradle]

Not at all??!!

[delicate shadow]

crusher combos are ezpz

[spare talon]

yes

[mental coral]

The only thing imho hammer is better than dueling sword is boss killing ngl

[sterile stone]

I wish giving players busted things compensated for them playing like a melted turd

But good lord nothing will beat pre nerf power sword

[spare talon]

does he know

[sterile stone]

That thing was like a 1000 degree knife through butter

[frosty herald]

Greatsword will be balanced perfectly

[mental coral]

Probably not honestly lol, I haven't really been keeping up with darktide meta

[sterile stone]

Brudder still thinks he getting a sword

It's been 2 years

[delicate shadow]

dsword is like, easily the most busted thing in the game rn

because for some ungodly reason it can get thrust now

[sterile stone]

I wish I had pub players like Cole

[mental coral]

Oh well yeah, but a thammer might one shot it. So its "better" than dueling sword at bosses kekw

[sterile stone]

Without the whole

Causing me to die aspect

[spare talon]

not with the thammer changes they made

[brisk raft]

I wanna bust and thrust other things

[spare talon]

reduced unyielding in exchange for like 1/4th of the original stun duration lmao

[frosty herald]

The cope is at an all time high

[mental coral]

Hermmm I swear I saw someone deleting bon's with it the other day

[sterile stone]

It won't happen.

[spare talon]

yeah cuz bons have less hp and also have a 1.3x melee modifier to their weakspot

[sterile stone]

I can't imagine they'd add too many more guns.

[ember yew]

40% final damage decrease

[sterile stone]

Maybe variants since it's easier to do yeah.

But new guns seems to just fry all neurons at FS

[frosty herald]

Crucis is genuinely good now

The overhead helps extremely

[spare talon]

ds4 can do the same thing

[brisk raft]

What about poor old Ironhelm?

[sterile stone]

Sent to the retirement home

[brisk raft]

Alongside Autopistol and HeavySword

[mental coral]

fair nuff lol

[spare talon]

like yes thammer does more damage per hit but dsword has better and safer dps and also doing everything (but horde clear) better by such a large margin than any other weapon

[mental coral]

I mean dsword is broke as fuck yeah

[broken walrus]

Hey, leave the Heavy sword out of this. One shotting 5 ragers is no joke

[sterile stone]

What difficulty do you play on friend 🙂

[delicate shadow]

five hundred ragers

[sterile stone]

Like I gotta be wary when people mention shit like

"I one shot a bunch of enemies bro"

Then I find out they play Heresy

[broken walrus]

I play on Auric damnation. Heavy swords one shot ragers with a crit. If you have deathblow

[sterile basalt]

Heavy sword can still 1 hit 5 ragers in damnation

[broken walrus]

it kills like 10 ragers

[sterile basalt]

Without crits

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/500-ciggarettes-gif-11805300176740010737

[mental coral]

Is sustained assault even worth on dueling sword?

[plush estuary]

The ai director

[sterile basalt]

It’s a “generically strong node”

[sterile stone]

I'll hold you to that friend.

[mental coral]

Hermmm was wondering cuz if not I could swap sustained assault for like TWBS or something i guess

[sterile basalt]

First target damage is enough to 1 hit Dreg ragers
Deathblow allows it to hit 4 enemies with first target damage without cleave falloff
5th target takes 2nd target damage (which is same as first target)

This is only if they stack on top of each other tho

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/saladin-gif-27220347

[sterile stone]

Shouldn't be too uncommon

Given the nature of Aurics

[sterile basalt]

I mean like, they gotta be stacked inside each other

[sterile basalt]

For one hit 5 kill

[spare talon]

but thats why deathblow is just bis for heavy sword, even for horde clear

[sterile stone]

That happens more often than people care to think. Atleast in the games I play.

[broken walrus]

even if you dont get the juicy one shot. Heavy 2, light 1, heavy 2, kills a group of them

[spare talon]

bumps up how many enemies you kill per swing

by quite a lot

[broken walrus]

I play the mk7 tho

[sterile stone]

Might consider DS with ninja vet

Starting to value smonks once again

Due to pubs just flat out ignoring shooters

[mental coral]

Me when hsword horde clear is actually l1 ->h2 and not just light spam

[dusky moon]

why my pants look squeaky

[spare talon]

shooter ignorers when retribution comes for them (instant death)

they are not prepared

[sterile stone]

FS have a leather kink I've come to find over the years

The amount of unreleased outfits that are just shiny ass leather clothes...

[spare talon]

wait are you telling me that lights arent for horde clear and heavies arent for dps?

ive just been following what reddits been telling me to do

[mental coral]

uh its l1 -> h2 for horde clear and h1 -> special for heavies I thought

are you being ironic or actually listening to reddit?

[spare talon]

ik im joking lmao
ive not used a heavy sword legit in a while

[sterile stone]

Zealot mains sprinting into a horde of shotgunners with the heaviest case of main character syndrome I've ever seen in my life

[spare talon]

i really should
but im currently crit pilled and hopping between taxe2, ds5, and evis15

[spare talon]

their retribution will come soon enough

argus is literally complaing about pubs mid mission

smh

[sterile stone]

I died

[mental coral]

I mean I do that

[sterile stone]

I back dashed off a ledge

[mental coral]

just killed 6 of em like 30 sec ago

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1305356787901399130/twitter_1855772687664128464.gif

[mental coral]

I shouldn't be typing mid game tbh

[broken walrus]

Ledges and barrels. A rejects worst enemy

[spare talon]

tbf i sent all those videos and talked abt ds4 vs thammer mid game too lmao

[sullen forge]

Forgot to post this but this was from Cyn’s “Despair!” Clip match

[spare talon]

still top damaged (how how how)

[sullen forge]

She ran ahead

And you know how veteran has Asthma

Yeah

That’s why I lurched behind in damage

[delicate shadow]

wow that Argus guy what a NOOB

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-man-throw-out-trash-gif-14761446

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/you-play-like-ass-im-leaving-gif-26982217

[sullen forge]

We got matched up with you?

Lmao

[delicate shadow]

most likely a different argus lol

[sullen forge]

They warned about the ledges

Like right off the bat

And Cyn immediately said “no”

“Mama ain’t raise no bitch”

[mental coral]

I think light spam is better if you aren't using deathblow

[south grove]

I've never used them properly

so yes

they're nightmare for me

I'm getting the hang of it tho

[mental coral]

btw I mispoke l1 -> h2 is only that one hsword thats really horizontal on h2. I think mk 9 or wte it was called?

[spare talon]

ok yeah but they can do this
and this is goofytown shit

[broken walrus]

Scab ragers are kinda a joke now. Feels like they move in slow motion compared to Dreg ragers

especially with DS movespeed

[spare talon]

but dreg ragers can currently attack faster than most weapons can dodge

which is why they feel harder

cuz they quite literally are coded to be bullshit lmao

[broken walrus]

Makes sense

lol

[wind fossil]

im getting mixed perspectives on reddit. some people say the mutant needs to be dashing and others arent. has anyone done this penance and know?

[south grove]

mutant aimed at you

[spare talon]

they dont have to be
you just have to kill them DURING THE DASH animation, hitting them with the crit after the dash doesnt count

[frosty herald]

Hold on

[spare talon]

so ideally you just hit it with an attack that one shots them

[frosty herald]

Argus is playing darktide again?

[broken walrus]

Once again, heavy sword coming in clutch, one shots muties

[wind fossil]

But how am i supposed to charge a mutant thats charging me

[spare talon]

doesnt have to be

[sterile stone]

I'm only playing til Nov 20th

[wind fossil]

I kept trying to do that and it always gets its animation off

Alright

[south grove]

mid anim

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-press-close-staredown-train-gif-22975756

[south grove]

I killed it with a hammer

[frosty herald]

Why the 20th

Des mortes is on the 14th

[wind fossil]

Alright ill try that

[broken walrus]

Heavy Sword has a really long range on its heavy 1. Highly recommend

outreaches mutie easily

[spare talon]

this is the important thing
the first one i kill counts cuz i killed them while in the dash
the second one doesnt count cuz i killed them AFTER the dash

nevermind steam replay just said SLIDESHOW TIME

fuck me

[wind fossil]

lmao

[spare talon]

lemme DO IT AGAIN I GUESS

[frosty herald]

Monster hunter wilds running on cole's pc

[wind fossil]

man it would be nice if the people you were playing with just wouldnt kill the mutants.

Whenever I ask randos if they can help me theyre just radio silent

[sterile stone]

I lied

I'm only playing til I get this frame done

[spare talon]

the first one i kill counts cuz i killed them while in the dash
the second one doesnt count cuz i killed them AFTER the dash

[wind fossil]

god damn

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/yv-yvxol-bruh-scream-bruhmoment-gif-26196685

[sterile stone]

Then I'm going back to zombies and OH

[wind fossil]

Yeah ive been doing that second thing this whole itme...

[spare talon]

mutants take 3x melee damage which is why one shotting them is easier than it sounds

[wind fossil]

time*

[frosty herald]

Get a crucis use the special charge a heavy and then chastice into the mutant so youll hit it instantly

[wind fossil]

just by the time the hammer is charged and you charge them. fingers crossed my teamates dont just kill it

[jagged cradle]

I sucked that match

[south grove]

how

you're playing DS5 Boltgun

there's nothing that can kill you

[broken walrus]

@wind fossil Heavy sword with Maniac also one shots them if you dont want to charge a hammer

[jagged cradle]

Idk I just suckec

I’m bad at the game

[south grove]

you're fishing for compliments

[wind fossil]

ill try that if this doesnt work out

[south grove]

but I'm gonna bite

you're better than me still

not gonna change for a while

[frosty herald]

You could also try a mutant maelstrom

[spare talon]

also duelling sword is LITERALLY in the game

lmao

[broken walrus]

oh yea

that too

The poke is probably faster than hammer or hsword

[south grove]

@grizzled aspen scoreboard

[spare talon]

and it one shots to the body with fotf
balance !!!!

[south grove]

I can't bc mine broke

[jagged cradle]

I’m not that kind of person

[spare talon]

im bad at the game

[jagged cradle]

See

I’m just self deprecating

[south grove]

1.7k taken...

I think it's suicide time

[grizzled aspen]

It's aight, you're on NA East servers.

Also pox gas.

Shit ass modifier.

Don't know why we even bothered doing that mission.

[south grove]

it's wire's birthday

and wire likes warren

man I wish I can play vet rn

[grizzled aspen]

Oh, happy birthday, then, Wire.

[jagged cradle]

I’m gonna go kms after that one

My birthday is July 5th

[grizzled aspen]

Bruh.

[south grove]

I miss my autoloading assault shotgun

[grizzled aspen]

Crutch.

[south grove]

I know I'm crutching on it

the withdrawal is insane

[grizzled aspen]

That's why I'm playing ds5.

[south grove]

pallate cleanser for until next maelstrom

[grizzled aspen]

Playing ds5 to wean myself off agile taxe.

[spare talon]

weaning off your agile taxe
by using the highest dodge distance weapon in the game

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, but now I don't have infinite dodges.

[ember yew]

agile on taxe when i cant fit 3 damage blessings on taxe

what a luxury

[grizzled aspen]

I was using agile to keep infinite desperation value.

[ember yew]

[south grove]

@jagged cradle alr gn

don't die

[remote lark]

i thought knife was highest dodge distance

[grizzled aspen]

Dodging pauses stamina regen so having infinite dodges means I don't have stam regen.

[south grove]

no

DS5

[remote lark]

thats gay

[grizzled aspen]

Ds5 has both mobility and defenses as stats.

[south grove]

you can still hit regular dodge sizes in limit

[remote lark]

frog maybe i wouldn't mog you if you wouldn't play double defense stat weapons

[grizzled aspen]

I'm insane, you're learning this only now?

[remote lark]

frogged

HEH HEH HEH

[south grove]

is this a cursed UI?

[remote lark]

[jagged cradle]

Shut up ughh

[frosty herald]

FATSHARK GIVE ME AGILE ON GREATSWORD AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[remote lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ivy-deadlock-ivy-deadlock-kratos-meme-gif-13606712141617415696

[spare talon]

I WANNA DO THIS
I WANNA DO IT SO BAD

[delicate shadow]

there's no shortage of people who could do that

[remote lark]

are you one of those people aquino

[delicate shadow]

it's just none of them are gonna see that post lmao

[remote lark]

[delicate shadow]

honestly? never tried

[spare talon]

i saw it actually
so uh
bazinga actually

[delicate shadow]

I've done a lot of clutching but I'm not a speedrunner

[remote lark]

stole ur emote

[frosty herald]

Ogryn is gonna get ego checked lmao

[south grove]

take care

[delicate shadow]

truuuuuu

[south grove]

@grizzled aspen sorry

couldn't do much with 3 dodges

[grizzled aspen]

You are panicking too much.

[south grove]

was in the negatives constantly

[grizzled aspen]

Remember that you're using the crusher.

[remote lark]

agile taxe time

[south grove]

true

[grizzled aspen]

You don't move for the enemy, you move the enemy.

[south grove]

very true

I was moving toward the med station

thought I could get a charge up

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, you should've doubled back and killed the flamers.

[delicate shadow]

Tintin ur a zealot, don't be sorry, double down instead

[south grove]

only 20 health left with no UD was kinda sucky tho

[grizzled aspen]

Also you're charging a lot.

[south grove]

idk how I even got there

[grizzled aspen]

Like way more than you need to.

Simmer down a little bit on the charging and pay attention to what move comes next.

[south grove]

I should only charge on specials and elites right

[grizzled aspen]

No, charge to displace crowds.

Your charge doesn't deal damage, it staggers.

[south grove]

okayyy

[grizzled aspen]

The caveat is ragers, charge for them.

Without slaughterer stacks you can't stagger them out of combo.

[south grove]

noted

ass mael

should we just mmt one?

I'm gonna get a drink

be back in a bit

[grizzled aspen]

If you can mmt like an A-I-II or something that'd be really cool.