your mobility on the weapon determines your movement speed
#zealot-class
south grove
stone fern
ah yes the every vet build
south grove
I'm not an expert in french so idk if I interpreted that right
rotund shoal
Non, c'est juste dans ta tête. Ton autre arme n'affecte pas du tout la vitesse de déplacement
stone fern
senki itt tud beszel velem mas nyelven 😭
rotund shoal
Orbán egy hatalmas seggfej, és nem szeretem az országodat
spare talon
flubbed a mauler overhead want to kms now
i think the mauler will do that for you actually
rotund shoal
i think the mauler will do that for you actually
He did
south grove
Ich mag es nicht, wenn wir in einer Sprache reden, die ich nicht kenne
stone fern
Orbán egy hatalmas seggfej, és nem szeretem az országodat
igan, romania jobb mint magyarorszagot
📍nemetorszag
sinful widget
what is this? medium rare gothic?
south grove
I can only speak a bit of german
vestal pine
@stone fern fuck the new difficulty throws 3 lictors at once lol
rotund shoal
I can only speak a bit of german
my germans pretty bad as well
lived here for over a decade
sinful widget
I can only speak a bit of german
no point bothering with german, we all know that 40000 years from now ppl only speak english
stone fern
<@244173531129053194> fuck the new difficulty throws 3 lictors at once lol
what gaeme?
vestal pine
sm2
south grove
but other than that I can speak english, japanese, mandarin, and a couple different chinese dialects
sinful widget
TRUE
'
vestal pine
but other than that I can speak english, japanese, mandarin, and a couple differ...
no korean
tame mirage
darktide better
true
vestal pine
i will now execute you for treason
rotund shoal
no point bothering with german, we all know that 40000 years from now ppl only s...
chinese probably
vestal pine
i dont
stone fern
korean is discount japanese
vestal pine
as well
stone fern
THERE I SAID IT
vestal pine
but still playing it idk
sinful widget
THERE I SAID IT
someone will make sushi out of you
vestal pine
THERE I SAID IT
south grove
为中华人民共和国
stone fern
I SAID WHAT I SAID
south grove
korean is discount japanese
korean and japanese are discount chinese
rotund shoal
六月四日
south grove
I'd basically consider them to be a wildly diverse dialect of chinese
south grove
六月四日
yep
that happened
none of my business tho
good plasma skin when
also bring the entrenching tool skin back
vestal pine
korean and japanese are discount chinese
same gif for you
but i wouldnt call it off cause both japanese and korean is heavily influenced by kanji
tame mirage
vestal pine
still funny to me that we're still using original kanji cause we use it the least
other than kanji stuff the similarity kinda fades, sorry
south grove
why is this in the files
spare talon
spare talon
why is this in the files
is this new
rotund shoal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935989994735169546/1267919812248600646/ca...
post dbz cock edit now
vestal pine
why is this in the files
wood-las
south grove
is this new
been here since last update
I just found it today though
really hope they don't actually release this
praying this is a work in progress bc I love the concept but it feels hella unfinished
spare talon
it looks like itd be a helbore skin
south grove
it is a helbore skin
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g5k471/the_absolute_state_of_pox_bursters_double_whammy/
smykers when they don't have gamesense
long kelp
Non, c'est juste dans ta tête. Ton autre arme n'affecte pas du tout la vitesse d...
Quel boulet je croyais écrire sur le discord FR (how dumb, thought it was the darktide french discord)
frosty herald
zenith glen
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g5o8cx/veteranx_space_program_just_confirmed_its_first/
guys anyone seen this happen before?
rotund shoal
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g5o8cx/veteranx_space_program_just_c...
i think the chaos spawn made the vet slightly move into the air in such a way the poxburster physics made him go even higher
that or just some weird bug ive had it happen recently that a random heavy + dodge off a ledge will send me FLYING
ive ledged myself like that
zenith glen
i just couldnt stop laughing when i saw him land the power sword swing as he came back down
inner cargo
why is this in the files
Voss Pattern Lasgun
nimble fiber
placid fiber
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g5o8cx/veteranx_space_program_just_c...
dude had anime main character vibes at that moment
"It's over Anakin Chaos Spawn, I have the high ground!"
misty nova
placid fiber
Man... I gotta say: Krieg is absolutely the most fun I've had in Borderlands 2 in a long ass time lol
I forgot that when you got downed that you could get yourself back up by killing an enemy, in Borderlands 2... Only has happened once so far, and that's because I got greedy
I was treating reaching 0 up as ur just ded... I mean I'm still gonna treat it like that, but, I at least know I have a chance still in some fights
stone fern
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g5o8cx/veteranx_space_program_just_c...
reddit?
no ive never heard of it
but im guessing he chaos spawn blew them up
faint vapor
Average Sedition run
tame mirage
copper hawk
Why they so peepful
dark spire
solar gorge
respect my personal space please
copper hawk
Sm2 update looks coole
frosty herald
Freaky cat
copper hawk
Noob.
vale lark
would be fire in vanilla cause my guy saying "THE BARREL!!" doesnt seem to alarm anyone enough
misty nova
"I think I've run out of explosives ........ SYKE"
tame mirage
Why they so peepful
vestal pine
anyone wanna talk about sm2
Hey everyone ,
It’s with a heavy heart that I have to announce that mods for Space Marine 2 will likely be offline-only going forward. While there’s always a slim chance that some incredibly talented people might find ways to bypass the hash-sum checks, or that Saber Interactive may eventually release a dedicated Steam branch for modders, I don’t want to give anyone false hope—these things will take time.
On the bright side, this means we're no longer shackled by the need to avoid releasing mods that affect PvP balance! Now that mods are heading toward offline play only, we can get really creative with new content—things like new game modes, enemies, and experiences that wouldn't have been possible before. There’s a lot of potential to expand the game in ways that simply wouldn’t have worked while also juggling keeping the competitive PvP environment intact.
I also want to kindly remind everyone not to direct frustration toward Saber Interactive. Their hand was forced by the usual suspects—hackers ruining the PvP experience for everyone. Let’s keep supporting the game, the community, and its ongoing development while embracing the new possibilities that modding offline can bring.
Thank you all for your continued support and understanding.
Warhammer Workshop
cant refund this game but can never play it again
how dare blocks modding
north sedge
stable cypress
honestly yeah
vestal pine
<:nottroll:810218693913083934>
idk the main gameplay loop is ass
compared to darktide
faint vapor
when I realized that I literally just recreated my vet from Darktide, I kind of lost interest
"wow power sword and Plasma Incinerator so good"
"wait..."
vestal pine
lmfao
north sedge
sm2 is a pretty solid game
gray bobcat
whats the dump stat for crusher? also perks/blessings?
north sedge
mobility
always mobility
it could be a god damn Mobile Home and i'd tell you to dump the mobility part
tame mirage
always mobility
the chaxe..?
faint vapor
its always mobility
misty nova
whats the dump stat for crusher? also perks/blessings?
Defence
Boom boom boom
Defence
Boom boom boom
tame mirage
defense on chaxe
tame mirage
c:
north sedge
da fences
tame mirage
yaaaay
faint vapor
defenses? Will have to see what that one does
tame mirage
lol
faint vapor
pretty sure that one affects dodge slides and block efficiency
paper harness
pretty sure that one affects dodge slides and block efficiency
It’s push attacks
half canopy
<@945393846005682207>
Idk :(
faint vapor
It’s push attacks
ah
tame mirage
you can't find him?
half canopy
Nope
tame mirage
whyyy
misty nova
whats the dump stat for crusher? also perks/blessings?
Oh
Slaughterer Skullcrusher
tame mirage
squeeb
distant lagoon
Is shredder good for anti-horde duty?
tame mirage
brauto my beloved
north sedge
you're better off with a brauto or vraks iag really
tame mirage
agripenis
distant lagoon
was shredder gutted?
faint vapor
shredder pistol?
north sedge
yea when the overhaul happened
distant lagoon
No, shredder gammastol
north sedge
a million years ago
misty nova
Is shredder good for anti-horde duty?
No
It has 1.5 cleave which is pretty standard but not good for hordes
faint vapor
Shredder pistol is easily the worst ranged option ingame atm
placid fiber
lol the kill the assassin with the melee attack as Krieg was easy... I just used my skill and meleed him to death
north sedge
When is the overhaul
good lord
paper harness
Shredder pistol is easily the worst ranged option ingame atm
I will make the case
That it’s not
And that the headhunters are worse on zealot
misty nova
And even if you stacked Pinning Fire on shredder you still wouldn't be able to shoot past 2 groaners/walkers
faint vapor
at least the headhunters can kill without spending half a mag on groaners
north sedge
I thought you meant another overhaul that will be happening
you should double check on urban dictionary
fathom helm
Hey everyone ,
It’s with a heavy heart that I have to announce that mods for Sp...
oof, I don't think many people even care for the half-arsed pvp mode anyway.
Would be better if they added proper mod support that can be used online much like in vt2 or darktide, even if they're just cosmetic or QoL mods.
Oh well, no skin off my nose, I didn't get SM2, not really planning to get it anytime soon either, maybe in a years time when the game is more fleshed out and discounted it might be worth it then.
faint vapor
but yeah they are pretty shit
paper harness
Why is anyone doing hc with a gun
I played sm2 in alpha and got to play the part I wanted
faint vapor
because they can't let go of pre-nerf Survivalist UwU
hushed knoll
you should double check on urban dictionary
NO
paper harness
Didn’t feel the need to buy it after that
hushed knoll
You will not jonkle me again
vestal pine
oof, I don't think many people even care for the half-arsed pvp mode anyway.
W...
they aint gonna change main gameplay loop, dont bother
well maybe if you like gow gameplay but with guns and shittier melee it might interest you
distant lagoon
Why is anyone doing hc with a gun
hc?
faint vapor
SM2 was me going around with a plamsa pistol dunking on tyranids
north sedge
You will not jonkle me again
paper harness
because they can't let go of pre-nerf Survivalist UwU
Vets and vlds
vestal pine
hirde clear
faint vapor
Darktide is me going around with a plasma gun dunking on Nurgle
some things never change
faint vapor
Vets and vlds
yippie :D
gray bobcat
Defence
*Boom boom boom*
Defence
*Boom boom boom*
Thanks! And what about perks? flak/carapace?
distant lagoon
you say vraks auto is good for horde?
north sedge
sm2 is a fairly solid fun game, nothing amazing, but a good time, particularly in the coop
fathom helm
Shredder pistol is easily the worst ranged option ingame atm
Yeah, needs buff. I suggest they give it a drum mag and turn it into a proper PPSH-41 bullet hose, tiny bullets but massive volume of fire that can suppress and stagger the shit out of small and medium enemies.
paper harness
I sat back and watched one vet pick up 8 larges and 12 smalls plus a full ammo crate
Lowest damage dealt
faint vapor
yeah SM2 did nothing wrong imo its just Darktide is more fun in the long run for me
north sedge
just different games
paper harness
I was just fucking off at the back playing specialist farmer
faint vapor
Yeah, needs buff. I suggest they give it a drum mag and turn it into a proper PP...
hell something special like suppressing dregs would be cool too
distant lagoon
SM2 has really good pvp though
faint vapor
Darktide pvp when UwU
paper harness
Never
distant lagoon
just enable friendly fire 💀
fathom helm
they aint gonna change main gameplay loop, dont bother
well maybe if you like go...
So sad, could of been great if they made the combat properly, really weird how paper thin the marines are and also how the bolters fire nerf darts.
faint vapor
I sat back and watched one vet pick up 8 larges and 12 smalls plus a full ammo c...
yeah idk why people can look at the Recon and not make the connection between Headhunter and Shock Trooper
like they have no excuse now
north sedge
i think the pvp is incredibly forgettable
vestal pine
i dont really care for the two even, its just that the main gimmick of the game is press parry and then press lclick
its just ass
faint vapor
god yeah I thought all the guns in SM2 sucked ass until I got the grenade launcher and plasma
paper harness
I just like stories
distant lagoon
I sat back and watched one vet pick up 8 larges and 12 smalls plus a full ammo c...
average vet main
paper harness
distant lagoon
how did you even find it
gray bobcat
whats the dump stat for a vigilat autogun? and perks/blessings?
paper harness
whats the dump stat for a vigilat autogun? and perks/blessings?
Mobility and I actually don’t know blessings or perks
Ping path
gray bobcat
Ping path? 
fathom helm
i dont really care for the two even, its just that the main gimmick of the game ...
The Ogryn in Darktide seems like a Battle Tank in terms of durability compared to the SM2 marines, which is pretty funny. Like I think the SM2 marines would somehow do worse then level 1 Ogryn if they were put in DT. Poxwalker would down them in a couple hits lmao.
north sedge
🤔
misty nova
Ping path? <:thonk:812821359822372875>
Path is the veteran guide writer
fathom helm
But yeah SM2 combat is goofy af. If they were to do space marines properly they need to give them actual bolters and not pewpew guns and then also make them tanky af but make the combat very attrition based as in it's really hard to refill health, but you get a lot of it.
gray bobcat
Path is the veteran guide writer
Ohh okay, thanks!
placid fiber
lol I just drove right off the map and got my 1st death
misty nova
Yeah, needs buff. I suggest they give it a drum mag and turn it into a proper PP...
It's interesting because SAP does have a decent suppression value when braced
Peak borderlands right there
fathom helm
It's interesting because SAP does have a decent suppression value when braced
Yeah that's true.
placid fiber
Of all the ways to have your 1st true death as a more melee focused character... ledging is just sad...
faint vapor
if we only didn't skip arm day :c
distant lagoon
But yeah SM2 combat is goofy af. If they were to do space marines properly they ...
All i hear is "waah waah"
literally complains made by people who can't hit shit
fathom helm
Of all the ways to have your 1st true death as a more melee focused character......
Could be worse, some room temperature iq vet could yeet you off a cliff by shooting nearby barrel.
vestal pine
distant lagoon
Could be worse, some room temperature iq vet could yeet you off a cliff by shoot...
What, you don't do it on purpose? Weird
placid fiber
Could be worse, some room temperature iq vet could yeet you off a cliff by shoot...
Oh I"m talking Borderlands 2, I've died plenty of times in Darktide lol
fathom helm
Oh I"m talking Borderlands 2, I've died plenty of times in Darktide lol
ah ok.
misty nova
Relatable
distant lagoon
Oh I"m talking Borderlands 2, I've died plenty of times in Darktide lol
... why would you be randomly talking about it here
that has "Anyway, how is your sex life" energy
placid fiber
... why would you be randomly talking about it here
In the channel that I talk the most in where we often go way off topic anyway...?
fathom helm
that has "Anyway, how is your sex life" energy
placid fiber
In the channel that I talk the most in where we often go way off topic anyway......
Not sure how that could happen
distant lagoon
In the channel that I talk the most in where we often go way off topic anyway......
I mean you did not say it was borderlans, and no context whatsoever
placid fiber
I mean you did not say it was borderlans, and no context whatsoever
I did say I drove a vehicle off of the ledge, at least, which does exclude Darktide
<_<'
distant lagoon
which braced gun is better for horde?
placid fiber
Agripinaa... but why brauto a horde when melee?
misty nova
Agripina
placid fiber
agripinaa has cleave
distant lagoon
I did say I drove a vehicle off of the ledge, at least, which does exclude Darkt...
Yeah, right, since there is only 1 game that has vehicles and edges 🤔
misty nova
Make sure you use Deathspitter
distant lagoon
Agripinaa... but why brauto a horde when melee?
because i want to use t-hammer
actually may be i should try ironhelm
placid fiber
Yeah, right, since there is only 1 game that has vehicles and edges 🤔
I am saying it excluded Darktide, not what game it made it sound like. :3
faint vapor
Yeah, right, since there is only 1 game that has vehicles and edges 🤔
yeah Borderlands UwU
distant lagoon
yeah Borderlands UwU
I will bite you in the knee
opal star
"oh boy I sure cant wait to play hi-intensity shock troop gauntlet!"
5000000000 tox bombers:
faint vapor
I will bite you in the knee
nya~!
distant lagoon
whait, wtf is Vigilant autogun?
faint vapor
"oh boy I sure cant wait to play hi-intensity shock troop gauntlet!"
5000000000 ...
yeah I've been avoding shock troop gauntlet lately
its just been a pain
placid fiber
I will bite you in the knee
Btw I found out, when I started this character, that I can zealot it up in Borderlands 2! >:3
opal star
whait, wtf is Vigilant autogun?
headhunter autogun
fathom helm
whait, wtf is Vigilant autogun?
headhunter renamed
misty nova
Uh Thunderhammer will outperform Agripina Brauto when it comes to horde
faint vapor
Btw I found out, when I started this character, that I can zealot it up in Borde...
I can't believe Borderlands ripped off Darktie
placid fiber
Being able to Zealot it up in Borderlands 2 makes it more fun lol
distant lagoon
Uh Thunderhammer will outperform Agripina Brauto when it comes to horde
no? It only damages like 2 targets with each swing
fathom helm
I think headhunter got renamed because of headhunter blessing, same reason surge staff was renamed.
placid fiber
I can't believe Borderlands ripped off Darktie
true, smh my head
distant lagoon
no, borderlands ripped off my dad
misty nova
no? It only damages like 2 targets with each swing
Heavies have 16 cleave
distant lagoon
Make sure you use Deathspitter
and fire frenzy?
distant lagoon
Heavies have 16 cleave
They stagger them all, but only do damage to 2 targets
misty nova
They stagger them all, but only do damage to 2 targets
It has no target cap
distant lagoon
It has no target cap
Any target beyond first 2 gets very little damage
fathom helm
They stagger them all, but only do damage to 2 targets
Did they change this recently? It used to have 3 damage cap iirc.
Also really weird the heavy chainsword has 5 target damage cap. Would great if that was removed or they added a great sword or something that has unlimited cap and is a big sword.
distant lagoon
so is ironhelm still worse than crucius?
The crucis pattern buff was kinda stupid
fleet zealot
placid fiber
I mean Ironhelm has better horde clear, like it always has... but the crucis does more damage on the special tho
misty nova
Crucis was worse than Ironhelm
Now crucis is good
placid fiber
It was always better than ironhelm
I mean... the ironhelm did the thing the crucis did worst which was: hordes. So they were kind of somewhat equalish
distant lagoon
At thunder damage
which is only thing you use t-hammer for
fathom helm
ironhelm has funky attack pattern and worse special attack damage. Is funny to smack monsters in the face for a shit load of damage with the crucis.
distant lagoon
ironhelm has funky attack pattern and worse special attack damage. Is funny to s...
EVery time i hit bosses with t-hammer i type BONK in chat
fathom helm
Nice
distant lagoon
when like 40%+ boss health just disappears
fathom helm
yeah and they evaporate if there's 2 TH zealots for whatever reason.
paper harness
If a weapon can only kill bosses it is unplayable
The crucis had low mobility and really couldn’t horde clear faster than slow ttk weapons
fathom helm
If a weapon can only kill bosses it is unplayable
It can kill heavies as well. I like to bring flamer for horde clear and knife for specials.
paper harness
My point is
That a weapon with a gimmick is badly designed
Which is why the crucis buff was so needed
hearty nebula
crucis was pretty meh outside of bosses/heavy killing, but it's not too shabby now
paper harness
The weapon wasn’t playable
paper pine
Invoc of death doesn't stack right?
fathom helm
Well it's better then it used to be, was pretty unusable before they changed it.
hearty nebula
EVery time i hit bosses with t-hammer i type BONK in chat
real
misty nova
Can confirm
paper harness
I was testing it on a non meme build and pulled a 55k one shot on a plague ogryn
Of course the ds4 does it better but then again, what doesn’t it
Totally reasonable to do 33k single hit with chastise and 1 shot with stealth
violet hornet
EVery time i hit bosses with t-hammer i type BONK in chat
A would download a mod that does this automatically
distant lagoon
Ok, i forgot most annoying thing when using t-hammer
how EVERY FUCKN PLAYER FEELS THEIR DUTY TO STAGGER EVERY TIME YOU PREPARE YOUR THUNDER STRIKE
vestal pine
monke se monke du
placid fiber
I think it's deadly accurate and surgical for one option and then lethal proximity and something else for the other
fleet zealot
how do you build your branxes
Puncture lethal prox for nading or surgical puncture or da with throwing knives
placid fiber
THere we go, someone who knows stuff about it lol
fleet zealot
Hang in there
vestal pine
Hang in there
press the cage and its gojo
undone pewter
You can also do run and gun if you want
vestal pine
Blocked and i h8 u now
light badge
I have a singular goal with today's matches before I go to class
you can probably guess what it is
misty nova
press the cage and its gojo
Are you a ferret because you're small
Or are you small because you're a ferret
pale spindle
paper harness
I should make little dark age edits for pw
paper pine
Idk if I should get shred or infinite dodges on my duel sword. Invoc of death has been nerfed right? Because if you get another crit within 4 seconds it doesnt do anything but extend the time
fleet zealot
Idk if I should get shred or infinite dodges on my duel sword. Invoc of death ha...
You should get some combination of thrust, precog and uncanny strike
Also it’s not a nerf it’s a balanced rework, it’s +200% cdr, taking fotf down to 10 second cd, giving the attack speed boost 100% uptime
Sleeping business
rotund shoal
Also it’s not a nerf it’s a balanced rework, it’s +200% cdr, taking fotf down to...
arguably the reworked iod is better for dueling sword
not that we had dueling sword before
but its best attack is the heavy
as long as you crit once every 4s you get the full benefits
undone pewter
I mean it'd work pretty good with old iod right given the fast lights.
rotund shoal
lights are only for non mixed hordes though
undone pewter
Yeah but I mean you would have crit a lot none the less
fleet zealot
arguably the reworked iod is better for dueling sword
It’s just better for the game
Being consistent across weapon types
rotund shoal
crazy strong anyway
fleet zealot
Knife abusers can cope
rotund shoal
fotf every 10s is kind of busted
karmic willow
looking forward to a nerf tbh
fleet zealot
Especially when martyrdom just doesn’t have a viable cdr option and backstab cdr at least requires some combo skill in normal combat to use
fleet zealot
looking forward to a nerf tbh
It won’t lol it got buffed before it went live
Apparently twice
pale spindle
@paper harness
wraith cipher
can i dump stat stability on brauto or im gonna feel it?
rotund shoal
can i dump stat stability on brauto or im gonna feel it?
u can
cuz dance of death
i dump mobility anyway
doesnt make much of a difference
fleet zealot
+150% before patch notes released, +175% on first blog, then +200% for the final release
rotund shoal
you dodge slide anyway cuz the dodge distance is so low
rotund shoal
i dont like dumping mobility cause i like running fast lol
dont run with your brauto lol
rotund shoal
oh jesus
wraith cipher
eh im not a fan of thrust
rotund shoal
its the shred and cleave damage dump thats bad
pale spindle
Thrust is fine but everything else is 🤮
wraith cipher
thrust is the same thing as the shock maul
you want to attack fast but you thrust?
wraith cipher
relentless strikes then
rotund shoal
lights are there just for horde clear
rotund shoal
relentless strikes then
whats the point if you one shot everything?
as in literally everything but bosses and those go down super quickly as well
faint vapor
because damage good?
wraith cipher
well in essence it probably doesnt matter
ttk is probably the same
if not off by like a seond
rotund shoal
relentless strikes only works when attacking the same enemy
you kill all enemies in one shot
pale spindle
Thrust is extremely strong with precog on piety Zealot
rotund shoal
it does nothing
pale spindle
That's the combo
pale spindle
Just read this, but, without the context
😔
golden rain
Imagine building Relentless Strikes on a weapon strong enough that it both doesn't need it and cannot get maximum benefit from its use
pale spindle
Relentless is just bad, the only weapon I can justify it for is maybe Tac Axe
rotund shoal
tac axe crit adms are great
pale spindle
The crit bonus is nice but because tac axe has low base damage it just equalized into mediocre
IJ actually gives it more damage than piety
rotund shoal
yep i go with ij
pale spindle
Because it also gives u attack speed
pale spindle
No but at that point you are not critting consistently enough to justify the crit bonus
rotund shoal
its over 50%
shred feeds into scourge
takes down crushers and maulers super quickly
takes down anything super quickly actually
placid fiber
takes down anything super quickly actually
pale spindle
That sounds anecdotal then
pale spindle
Because the tac axe is not amazing into crushers to begin with.
So I don't know how you define "super quickly"
rotund shoal
comparing it to literally the best weapon in the game lol
pale spindle
"super quickly" I would assume means it's comparable
rotund shoal
ill send a vid and you decide
pale spindle
Or is this what they call "sementics"?
rotund shoal
sementics is how you were born
pale spindle
All I said is that BM and shred have equal damage output
rotund shoal
they dont tho
placid fiber
Or is this what they call "sementics"?
Hey... how'd you know my nickname in high school...?
pale spindle
they dont tho
Oh nice I'm convinced
rotund shoal
.. thats why im making a vid..
pale spindle
Hey... how'd you know my nickname in high school...?
😏
pale spindle
dad is here
Did u see the video 💀
plucky gate
did they buff taxe this patch?
paper harness
guess i am going to self harm and watch it
pale spindle
brutal shred is best in slot
BM and Shred, the best of 2 worlds 🙏🏻
grizzled aspen
I like using shred and agile...
paper harness
I never run out of dodges anyway
grizzled aspen
I dodge a lot, often when I don't need to.
Keeps me from ever running out of dodges, ever.
wraith cipher
so how am i supposed to 1 shot?
vernal terrace
two reasons
- it annoys cole and thats funny
- its useful in very rare situation like the time i used it on you when you asked this
placid fiber
so how am i supposed to 1 shot?
perfectionist shroudfield
grizzled aspen
perfectionist shroudfield
Explode.
rotund shoal
896 dps on crushers
wraith cipher
i mean its 1 shot with caveats then
rotund shoal
you can hear me giving myself carpal tunnel in the background
vernal terrace
used those same curios since before we even had skill trees in this game they work well enough 
placid fiber
you can hear me giving myself carpal tunnel in the background
Now do that with a full 24% martyrdom attack speed buff for the lulz
and chastise
rotund shoal
Now do that with a full 24% martyrdom attack speed buff for the lulz
one sec
fleet zealot
i mean its 1 shot with caveats then
I mean duelist and fotf is a pretty easy caveat to fulfill
In the current game state
pale spindle
shred is for adms
Wait what does adms mean? 🤔
placid fiber
armor damage modifiers
wraith cipher
I mean duelist and fotf is a pretty easy caveat to fulfill
yeah but the original convo was thrust 1 shots
fleet zealot
Yes
pale spindle
y tf u arguing with me
Argument?
placid fiber
I know what adm means and I don't even give that much attention to them past what I know works and what I know doesn't....
vernal terrace
dont know adms
tbf if you joined these chats as a more casual / new player you would think 3/4s of the population is schizophrenic with how much they abbreviate things
placid fiber
tbf if you joined these chats as a more casual / new player you would think 3/4s...
wait, 3/4ths isn't?
pale spindle
Also I'm an engineer so I ussualy associate adms as another acronym
rotund shoal
Does taxe have crit adms
massive
paper harness
Does taxe have crit adms
Yes
vernal terrace
wait, 3/4ths isn't?
paper harness
it is armour damage multiplier
fleet zealot
I love hidden mechanics
paper harness
I should explain breeds to the chat one day
fleet zealot
You don’t get to see the exact adm spelled out so yes i consider it hidden
hearty nebula
I should explain breeds to the chat one day
honestly just write a guide at this point
placid fiber
Welp, off to work I go. o7
fleet zealot
Not all weapons have crit adms
paper harness
I am
vernal terrace
he is writing a guide im sure
pale spindle
because fuck youtubers
Go check out Mister E, he is very useful 😎👌
fleet zealot
So it’s not intuitive for a player to look at it and know “crit adm” vs “bonus from crit”
hearty nebula
no
vernal terrace
and wdym darktide youtubers are great 
fleet zealot
I should explain breeds to the chat one day
🫃
hearty nebula
but if dorn is writing a guide
he's about to become the royale w/ cheese of darktide
vernal terrace
zealot guide specifically
fleet zealot
I need to be forced to play zealot
rotund shoal
the quarter pounder with cheese if you wil
fleet zealot
Uhh im on mobile
visual stream
I need to stop playing recon 😔
Do you? 🌞
fleet zealot
But i just went and grabbed as much nade boosting talents i could, and whatever would qualify as a damage boost to grenades
rotund shoal
@placid fiber
fleet zealot
Took survivalist as well but i have a 2nd build to quick swap that uses fireteam if another vet has survivalist
rotund shoal
i kinda feel like playing it in game now lol
visual stream
But i just went and grabbed as much nade boosting talents i could, and whatever ...
Lethal proximity as well, ja?
fleet zealot
Lethal proximity as well, ja?
Ja
Two 25% explosion size boosts are massive, 2 nades solve 99% of problems
Let nades explode with bistol out
Swap to shovel
Stack uncanny
undone pewter
But i just went and grabbed as much nade boosting talents i could, and whatever ...
Something like this
4 points spare to do whatever
Doing it from memory don't get mad
fleet zealot
Something like this
I grabbed rending, elites and ogryns
rotund shoal
instant ventilation purge
faint vapor
I wonder if the explosion size increases help make the smoke nade bigge
fleet zealot
And focus target + killing focus target gives damage boost
faint vapor
I want to blind the map
fleet zealot
I wonder if the explosion size increases help make the smoke nade bigge
It does
fleet zealot
I didn’t take weapon handling speed
undone pewter
It makes you get your grenades out quicker
fleet zealot
Also didn’t take run and gun i took puncture for breakpoints
undone pewter
Grenade MAXING
fleet zealot
It makes you get your grenades out quicker
I barely notice it when it’s on tbh
undone pewter
It's literally a tiny boost but funny if you're being thematic
fleet zealot
Shovel bistol already has good swap times as is
faint vapor
like the actual bio-titan?
vernal terrace
a class that looks like it can spawn all the other classes as minions
faint vapor
oh lol
ember yew
faint vapor
I was thinking the fucking Tyranid Bio-titan
vernal terrace
releasing the same day space marine 2 released a bio titan operation is fucking funny though
ember yew
i wonder how will it be playing 5 characters at once
faint vapor
would be a lot funnier in Inquisitor to just straight up deploy a xeno titan
fleet zealot
Is the acolyte/retinue system for all players also does it stack with tech adept machines
light badge
is it just me or does the mk10 laspistol feel better to use than the mk2?
spare dome
thats ur opinion
light badge
the higher per shot damage just feels way better for specials and elites, even if the dps is lower for bosses
spare dome
well, no, it does do more damage lul
vernal terrace
sprint efficiency or stamina regen. what would you say is more universally good per build on a vet?
spare dome
if your accuracy is on point its strictly better, but it does mean follow up shots are slower to follow and it also means misses hurt more
my only real complaint (and its a weak one) for the MKX is that none of its blessings are particularly good for it
but its what i use for wepspec vet quite often since its still ultra-fast to draw, and a crit headshot kills almost every elite
light badge
I've been using infernus and desperado on it
desperado mainly just to crit more often in between true aim hits
rotund shoal
is it just me or does the mk10 laspistol feel better to use than the mk2?
they changed the mks but you mean the faster firing one no?
that ones the best
spare dome
yeah you can put w/e you want on it, all the blessing options are horrendously mid lmao
spare dome
sprint efficiency or stamina regen. what would you say is more universally good ...
sprint eff.
grizzled aspen
desperado mainly just to crit more often in between true aim hits
Don't crits reset true aim even if it's not the guaranteed true aim crit?
rotund shoal
its a great pistol
light badge
they changed the mks but you mean the faster firing one no?
they didn't change the marks on the laspistols
spare dome
no, thats headhunter
grizzled aspen
Right, that must be what I'm thinking of, then.
spare dome
true aim makes your fifth shot crit, if it was already going to crit (and i mean, how would you prove that anyway) then oh well
if a shot crits it sitll stacks up if its a headshot
spare dome
yes, thats what this game is missing, soooper crits
light badge
need my negative two billion damage red crits
plucky gate
taxe hitting triple crits
analog ember
well, no, it does do more damage lul
No shit but mk2 kills faster anyway in most cases
light badge
@plucky gate I just want you to know that I can hear your pfp
light badge
No shit but mk2 kills faster anyway in most cases
technically the mk10 has more damage per ammo used
since they have roughly the same pool and take the same amount per shot
vernal terrace
sprint eff.
thanks decided to look into new curios because tintin insulted mine!!!!
and cole is eep so i cant bug him with my questions
light badge
and cole is eep so i cant bug him with my questions
can't or won't?
vernal terrace
he wont answer it if i @ him now
light badge
plucky gate
is spring eff really better than stamina regen?
frosty herald
yeah
light badge
@frosty herald is this you irl?
frosty herald
<@427815660937019393> is this you irl?
if you dont get yo landing strip headass runway long forehead ass 5ead out of here
light badge
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spare dome
thanks decided to look into new curios because tintin insulted mine!!!!
3x sprint eff is roughly equivalent to a 50% stamina bar increase (so far as sprinting is concerned). if you do want more actual stamina then a stam curio is alright but i recommend the -stam delay nodes
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pale spindle
frosty herald
hahnda goes crazy arc
frosty herald
pale spindle
light badge
plucky gate
is there some context i'm missing for this build that makes sprint eff worth it here? i thought sprint eff was a meme
light badge
is there some context i'm missing for this build that makes sprint eff worth it ...
duck and dive + stripped down?
pale spindle
light badge
plucky gate
oh right, i guess that makes sense
sick solstice
O fellow Zealots
What's the dump stat for Eviscerator?
I assume it's mobility?
pale spindle
light badge
plucky gate
O fellow Zealots
What's the dump stat for Eviscerator?
I assume it's mobility?
pretty sure it's mobility yeah
hushed knoll
Hello screaming mushroom
light badge
I have entirely too many of these
plucky gate
hello stan
light badge
pale spindle
light badge
plucky gate
rat
pale spindle
🔥
spare dome
is there some context i'm missing for this build that makes sprint eff worth it ...
you sprint all the time and stamina is incredibly valuable for damage avoidance for ranged and melee, so its analogous to a stamina increase without adding an actual +Stam curio
light badge
plucky gate
idk i slide a lot more than i sprint in combat
spare dome
thats both, really, unless you only ever dodge slide (which is expensive)
plucky gate
also pushing is a decent chunk of stamina usage if power sword
cause of the push attack
spare dome
yea so why not have the sprints be cheaper since you cant make pushes cheaper through curios
unless you have both of the -stam delay nodes you will lose stamina as you sprint slide
light badge
considering running sprint efficiency just to make kiting easier ngl
since I'm running max toughness
frosty herald
light badge
stam regen > sprint efficiency
light badge
https://tenor.com/view/call-of-the-replacer-replacer-bo6-call-of-duty-black-ops-...
my honest reaction
rotund shoal
ok martyr tac axe is fkin HILARIOUS
plucky gate
how does sprint eff stack anyways?
faint vapor
how does sprint eff stack anyways?
multiplicative
light badge
is i didnt drop twbs for iod spam
drop and twbs should never be next to each other in sentence
faint vapor
so 3x 15% is more like 39% sprint cost reduct
rotund shoal
drop and twbs should never be next to each other in sentence
attack speed maxxing
light badge
valid
plucky gate
so 3x 15% is more like 39% sprint cost reduct
damn
well i guess that's +62% effective stamina if you only ever sprint
not bad
frosty herald
fossil crag
sprint efficiency or stamina regen. what would you say is more universally good ...
1 stamina reduction node so it feels like zealot (but doesnt regen as fast) abd stamina regen
frosty herald
Xqc was trying to make a house ofc
light badge
Maybe the Minecraft movie isn’t far off after all
frosty herald
rocky nacelle
pale spindle
umbral kindle
light badge
pale spindle
pale spindle
paper harness
i bet i can hit 600k with iod spam
Not really
Also how do you not have room for iod and twbs
fossil crag
Whats iod
rotund shoal
martyr
fossil crag
||Use power di and view your own score then click build 
||
rocky nacelle
I’d run a marty with no twbs just for iod abuse and a crit weapon but then that means I’m using a crit weapon on marty
rotund shoal
I’d run a marty with no twbs just for iod abuse and a crit weapon but then that ...
thats exactly what im doing
frosty herald
https://fixupx.com/Memexzz/status/1846195734871199808
Kefla is such a baddie in sparking zero
plucky gate
that's what i do with shred evis
stone fern
I’d run a marty with no twbs just for iod abuse and a crit weapon but then that ...
marty with m1 spam doesnt need twbs
light badge
I don't think words can probably explain how much I hate playing with Blaze away purg psykers
rotund shoal
@paper harness
stone fern
I don't think words can probably explain how much I hate playing with Blaze away...
ikr
its disgusting
i cant even play the staff anymore
rotund shoal
||Use power di and view your own score then click build <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883...
that would imply my computer can run power di
i play on lowest
fossil crag
Rip
stone fern
surge is disgusting now
purge is disgusting
how did we get to a state where trauma is the most balanced staff?
frosty herald
Is that an autoclicker scrier build
stone fern
not even scriers
wraith cipher
surge is disgusting now
purge is disgusting
i dont like primary fire become so broken
stone fern
its creeping flames M1 with the new primary fire talent for staves
grizzled aspen
It's a quell cancel macro. Unnaturally fast.
rocky nacelle
Kefla is such a baddie in sparking zero
stone fern
its not just the speed
rotund shoal
mine is like
if i give up sustained assault i can just pick twbs tho
grizzled aspen
Literally faster than a human can input.
stone fern
they buffed its damabe a lot
rotund shoal
(giving up 2nd fotf charge as well)
frosty herald
Im killing bro
plucky gate
psykers see rager packs as free food now
rotund shoal
which is not really needed
stone fern
tbh
rotund shoal
when it already refreshes on 10s cooldown
hushed knoll
Literally faster than a human can input.
Hello Frogcast 
rotund shoal
i just dont have anything better to put my extra point in
stone fern
i wanna see it in meat grinder
plucky gate
I don't really mind losing twbs after they made shooters not stunlock you when you have toughness
stone fern
It's bannable to do a quell cancel macro.
no its fucking not
rotund shoal
it's bannable to be a talking frog as well
plucky gate
i mean i still kinda mind
rotund shoal
yet that doesn't stop me from trying to kiss you
fossil crag
surge is disgusting now
purge is disgusting
Should jave shown them melt the boss
spare dome
Cancel macros are in fact bannable.
stone fern
Should jave shown them melt the boss
they didnt do too much boss damage because neither of them went for weakspots
everything you saw
is bodyshots
fossil crag
they didnt do too much boss damage because neither of them went for weakspots
I once got scrier stacked to 30 and there was a vet using brittleness and i melted the pleague ogryn in 6 seconds
stone fern
im so pissed they reuined my BELOVED yard...i was afk for that whole game
rocky nacelle
Cancel macros are in fact bannable.
Well fat shart needs to get to work then
grizzled aspen
no its fucking not
Yes it is.
spare dome
It's on you/us to report them.
stone fern
im not reporting them
spare dome
They aren't actively policing rounds lmao
rotund shoal
immagine being a snitch
stone fern
they out right said they wanted to try it
spare dome
And I also don't care, I just put idiots willing to do that shit on my blocklist.
stone fern
I once got scrier stacked to 30 and there was a vet using brittleness and i melt...
PBB ogryn would like to speak to you
spare dome
anyone can do quell cancel, that's not really the issue at hand. same with QQ cancelling for heavies and lights
the issue is nobody is actually able to do that shit for fucking ever with perfect execution
stone fern
i dont see the problem with macros (not gonna use one) but i dont see the problem
spare dome
putting it on a macro is some pussy shit
fossil crag
PBB ogryn would like to speak to you
Whats pbb
light badge
putting it on a macro is some pussy shit
True
plucky gate
I don't think it's actually against fatshark's modding policy.
Has anyone even heard of someone getting banned for it?
grizzled aspen
I dont qq cancel to m1 stuff because I have q bound for my blitz.
fossil crag
putting it on a macro is some pussy shit
Fs should remove quell canceling and increase the atk speed by ~30% or something
spare dome
I don't think it's actually against fatshark's modding policy.
Has anyone even h...
The original mod to macro lights and heavies at ultra-speed was removed.
wraith cipher
mine is like
i feel like having to go punishment for cdr isnt the best, so i skipped it altogether lol
grizzled aspen
I just do 1 > m1 > 2 and go back to shooting stuff.
rotund shoal
I don't think it's actually against fatshark's modding policy.
Has anyone even h...
i think the only thing that can get you banned is gamer words
stone fern
@fossil crag
frozen trench
Auto fire, keep swinging and keep dodging mods macros?
rotund shoal
or to be able to ban people for anything but straight out racism
fossil crag
ogryn's ult point blank barrage
What does that do 👀 bot really an ogryn player
rocky nacelle
it’s more so the quell macro literally is just a setup and go thing and then you proceed to shit stomp everything barring a monstro
frozen trench
I like them with agile duelling sword and dodge spamming
stone fern
i feel like having to go punishment for cdr isnt the best, so i skipped it altog...
no sustained
no second charge of chastise
toughness on heavy instead of bleed
frozen trench
Saves me from carpal tunnel
plucky gate
The original mod to macro lights and heavies at ultra-speed was removed.
oh i didn't know that was a thing
wraith cipher
>no sustained
>no second charge of chastise
>toughness on heavy instead of ble...
i can take out the 2 nodes in the middle
rocky nacelle
sure quell cancelling does the same thing but the macro just eliminates all player input/error lmfao and basically does it 10x faster
light badge
Do you guys also have dodge bound to a mouse button?
rocky nacelle
all efficiency
light badge
Out of curiosity
stone fern
What does that do 👀 bot really an ogryn player
look at the video i posted, essentially it applies fire stacks and gives rending fatshark forgot to put a maxcap on the fire stacks so you can kill anything
rocky nacelle
Do you guys also have dodge bound to a mouse button?
No gross
rotund shoal
Do you guys also have dodge bound to a mouse button?
thats just you
plucky gate
i actually have default dodge controls
stone fern
WAIT
fossil crag
look at the video i posted, essentially it applies fire stacks and gives rending...
Its 31 stacks thats max
rocky nacelle
dodge stays on space bar
fossil crag
I have the debuff mod and i only see 31 burn
light badge
Damn, I'm a weirdo through and through
wraith cipher
>no sustained
>no second charge of chastise
>toughness on heavy instead of ble...
im also not crit focused so there isnt a huge benefit to bleed unless the wep im using is already crit focused
plucky gate
ok i actually have this mod too so i don't accidentally jump
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/249
fossil crag
dodge stays on space bar
Agreed learn the timing when going to negative dodges
rocky nacelle
wrong as shit
rotund shoal
dodge slide with just my thumb
rocky nacelle
and gross
grizzled aspen
Auto fire, keep swinging and keep dodging mods macros?
Those are valid, as they are 1 input macros. Complex macros are not.
spare dome
i have slide bound to my xbox kinetc so i just shout SLIDE
wraith cipher
you guys dont put dodge on a mouse button?
plucky gate
Do you guys also have dodge bound to a mouse button?
i feel like it'd be more intuitive to just have a jump button on your mouse instead
mighty root
wraith cipher
lul
rocky nacelle
Crouch - C
Dodge - spacebar
Jump/vault- Mouse 4
special activate - mouse 5
Blitz - X
rotund shoal
RELOAD WEAPON
undone pewter
dodge space bar crouch alt
Dodge space bar left shift spirit left control crouch
light badge
Imagine a 4man 3veg,but everyone has to use voice commands
rotund shoal
Crouch - C
Dodge - spacebar
Jump/vault- Mouse 4
special activate - mouse 5
B...
dorn also said he does crouch c but i dont get it
how do u hold your fingers
fossil crag
you guys dont put dodge on a mouse button?
In fps games try to put less inputs on your mouse besides weapons so it doesnt messes with your aim ||from cs valo siege||
stone fern
#zealot-class message
found the ogryn video lmao
rotund shoal
do u use c with your thumb?
fossil crag
dorn also said he does crouch c but i dont get it
You use thumb to crouch
Or your d finger
stone fern
im also not crit focused so there isnt a huge benefit to bleed unless the wep im...
i didnt mean scourge i mean the other side the toughness on heavy attcak kill isnt very good
rotund shoal
ok i guess its actually pretty similar to my setup
rocky nacelle
Idk I’m not looking at my fucking keyboard while playing
rotund shoal
cuz alt and c are right next to each other
rocky nacelle
lmfao
rotund shoal
can u not feel your fingers
light badge
I use C or ctrl depending on which game I'm playing and if I'm more likely to toggle or hold crouch
stone fern
aciddentally sending dogging video to zealot-chat
I am not ashamed unlike u i acknowledge my mistakes
wraith cipher
i didnt mean scourge i mean the other side the toughness on heavy attcak kill is...
if youre using something like crusher, mk9 heavy sword, th, its adding to something youre already doing
stone fern
if youre using something like crusher, mk9 heavy sword, th, its adding to someth...
it doesnt add much
light badge
Toggle crouch should never be an option in video games
Disagree
paper harness
rocky nacelle
how do u hold your fingers
Pointer finger on C
paper harness
darktide social credit system
rocky nacelle
it’s pretty damn simple setup
light badge
I couldn't imagine playing with hold crouch in something like Siege
rocky nacelle
toggle ads toggle crouch are the 2 most useless things to me ever
wraith cipher
it doesnt add much
its on kill, and your definetly not killing 1 thing at a time on those kinds of heavies. small numbers add up over time
rocky nacelle
in every video game
light badge
Depends heavily on the game for me
rocky nacelle
you are noob
fossil crag
toggle ads toggle crouch are the 2 most useless things to me ever
Not on skyblock minecraft
rocky nacelle
doesn’t depend on game for me
visual stream
toggle ads toggle crouch are the 2 most useless things to me ever
When the devs make ADS toggle the default setting OOUUGH
light badge
Like, cover shooters I'd want to have toggle on both crouch and ads
rocky nacelle
visual stream
I wanna beat them with hammers for being so wrong
violet hornet
I couldn't imagine playing with hold crouch in something like Siege
Stealthing an entire bot 10 in helldivers while holding crouch 🤮
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Stealthing an entire bot 10 in helldivers while holding crouch 🤮
Eugh
rocky nacelle
helldivers is the exception
visual stream
Crouch toggle depends but ADS toggle is just wrong
rocky nacelle
actually makes sense to have toggle crouch there at least
toggle ads still a big negative tho
fossil crag
toggle ads still a big negative tho
Not in valo awp
rocky nacelle
whoever invented ads toggle made the worst decision in gaming
rocky nacelle
Not in valo awp
I’m blocking you
paper harness
valorant player
rocky nacelle
val player 🤢
paper harness
please leave zealot chat
fossil crag
I’m blocking you
Even in xz i play toggle awp
paper harness
ogryn or psyker is your place
fossil crag
Cs
rotund shoal
whoever invented ads toggle made the worst decision in gaming
nah thats the guy who invented aids
plucky gate
invented what
rotund shoal
aids
fossil crag
https://tenor.com/view/turles-piccolo-gif-24678501
Oh my bad i though awp would mean i came from cs instead of saying operator
frosty herald
Its good in space marine 2
stone fern
damn my bad G
stone fern
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/357/
how is your guide doing
paper harness
how is your guide doing
working on it
rocky nacelle
Oh my bad i though awp would mean i came from cs instead of saying operator
Valorant has an awp equivalent
paper harness
added a glossary
light badge
Work faster, plasteel monkey
rocky nacelle
For some reason my homeboys decide to play it but when cs2 sucks what can ya do
‘Ate valorant though
copper hawk
Noobs
fossil crag
For some reason my homeboys decide to play it but when cs2 sucks what can ya do
If you solo queue in cs there is a hacker in every lobby
light badge
I refuse to play Valorant while sober
fossil crag
Unless you play faciet
rotund shoal
I refuse to play Valorant while sober
I refuse to play Valorant while sober
light badge
If you solo queue in cs there is a hacker in every lobby
Jesus, is it that bad now?
frozen trench
Crouch toggle depends but ADS toggle is just wrong
Hunt showdown feels right with this, but in darktide hell no
fossil crag
Jesus, is it that bad now?
Ye
paper harness
valorant players deserve excommunication
light badge
I refuse to play ~~Valorant~~ while sober
Nah dude I can't play Darktide while high, that's just impossible with how bad my pubs typically are
copper hawk
I hate hunt showdow
modern lintel
noob
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I hate hunt showdow
TRUE
copper hawk
Im hard stuck as a fucking six star
rotund shoal
Nah dude I can't play Darktide while high, that's just impossible with how bad m...
Same I suck while playing high
rocky nacelle
aren’t you supposed to be deploying noob
copper hawk
I have a 1.84 kd
rocky nacelle
noob
copper hawk
I still flying around noob
stone fern
I refuse to play ~~Valorant~~ while sober
I played valorant once it was just 20 minutes of women screaming at me
copper hawk
Noobity noob noob
stone fern
i get enough of that at home ok
frozen trench
I hate hunt showdow
Game hella slow burn but I like it
rocky nacelle
I still flying around noob
stop using plane Wi-Fi or ur gonna explode
copper hawk
But im stuck in sweat lobbies
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I'm thankfully in 3-4 star still
copper hawk
I cant run silly builds