zealot-class

[junior perch]

it says there dump stat was damage but i heard mobility can also be a dumpstat

do we lose an extra dodge with mobility dump stat or nah

[rotund shoal]

its always 2 dodges

damage gives you like 1.5dps

[paper harness]

Which melee mode

[rotund shoal]

easy and normal

[junior perch]

and with the flamer is it better to hold it down or do burst

or they have thier own uses

[vague depot]

Generally I hold down

[copper hawk]

my beat a game macro

i got it from avgn

[south grove]

bad run in with ragers

again

[vague depot]

I use burst for one thing and that’s breaking heretic idols my melee can’t reach when I’m out of throwing knives

[copper hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUeeFybkRxA

[junior perch]

also with that message you replied with what is eternal flame and what is piety

[hard nexus]

knife is OP, and killing the bulwarks in a trial is the most important thing

[obsidian prairie]

In vermintide dense MF

[rotund shoal]

yeh im realizing that

[hard nexus]

oh

wow

[rotund shoal]

i saved the bulwark for last

[hard nexus]

ur so mean to me

[rotund shoal]

with hsword and that kiled my cleave

[hushed knoll]

You are a fish

[rotund shoal]

Dorn posts gay porn gifs and fucks off without explaining

[south grove]

need to screw up less

[rotund shoal]

eternal flame is a blessing on the flamer (reload ammo into flamer on crit)
piety is a keystone (the purple things at the bottom of the skill tree, the left one)

[hard nexus]

most people do

[junior perch]

got it i think they changed name of it when i was checking but i assumed it was that

[hard nexus]

how’s the build i gave u doing

[south grove]

it's very comfortable

[hard nexus]

yah it really is

[south grove]

and all my screwups is covered by U.D. for now

[hard nexus]

does everything

[south grove]

I need more situational awareness

[hard nexus]

melee combat and situational awareness are the 2 most important things in darktide

[south grove]

and I need to get barreled less

should I barrel other people back?

pisses me off sometimes

[hard nexus]

this is also situational awareness

[hushed knoll]

You are Haddock

Le fish

Au chocolat

[tawny linden]

can i get some feedback on this. Using DS and VIAG

[south grove]

man the abbreviation doesn't hit as hard now

[sinful widget]

Why not go throwing knife?

Save yourselves a couple of points

[south grove]

yeh

[grizzled aspen]

No sustained assault is going to hurt.

[tawny linden]

ngl, bc I'm grinding purging flames penance

[hard nexus]

it’s alright, i’d take throwing knives over immolation grenade and use those 4 points on faithful frenzy and sustained assault

[hard nexus]

ah fair

[south grove]

perfectly servicable then

[rotund shoal]

alright

to escape accusations of meta slavery

i will now swap to taxe

which is just knife

but its not knife so its ok

[sinful widget]

But fun

[rotund shoal]

its just l spam

literally just l spam

and press f for attack speed

and 50% toughness every 10seconds

(which people like more than retributors stance which is 30% every 6 seconds)

(dumbasses)

[copper hawk]

MEOW

TOYS

@hard nexus

TOYS!!!!

[sinful widget]

Silence cat

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-headbutt-funny-love-gif-25033864

[south grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1294784277913010217/attachment.gif

DUMP DAMAGE

how does blaze away work on a single shot weapon

[sterile basalt]

Keep shooting and u get stacks

[south grove]

that's...

interesting

[rotund shoal]

ok why the fuck did i ever think taxe was bad

this shit is good

[ornate bone]

cuz u dum

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-garn-47-garn-car-garn47-gif-17918098241540694989

John when he plays another weapon other than knife:

[rotund shoal]

i used it a life time ago

and didnt like it

but it slaps so hard

[south grove]

I used to be a tac axe main

and I put limbsplitter on it

that was like a year and a half ago

[grizzled aspen]

Taxe fucks.

I like the agile blessing on it.

[south grove]

the fact that it attacked fast helped with controller steer speed

[rotund shoal]

shred + headtaker with ij iod build

infinite fotf spam, knife like dodges

attack speed through roof

its actually pretty insane

[vague depot]

Do you bother trying to kill bulwarks with heavy sword or is that something you use your gun for

[grizzled aspen]

Dodge and special their head, that should stagger them.

[sterile basalt]

If possible, kill everything with ur melee

[vague depot]

Also does throwing knife pierce multiple enemies

[sterile basalt]

2 cleave

[rotund shoal]

pierces one normally

[vague depot]

Got it thanks

[rotund shoal]

one horde enemy

[grizzled aspen]

Throwing knife doesn't necessarily pierce, but it holds itself in 1 place for a second.

[sinful widget]

How many dodges does agile blessing refresh?

1 or all?

[rotund shoal]

all

not worth it imo

[sinful widget]

Jesus christ

[rotund shoal]

youre missing out on a dmg blessing

taxe kind of needs a stam curios otherwise stam broken too easily

but very mobile

can just block to wait for refresh

with ij literally no problem

[sinful widget]

I always run +6 on anything haha

[fleet zealot]

our dm forgot to be leveling us

[rotund shoal]

i run between +3 and +6

[fleet zealot]

so we were fighting level 10ish encounters as a level 6 duo

[opal star]

throwing knives after hitting one poxwalker

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[sinful widget]

2*

[rotund shoal]

poxbursters more heavy than shotgunneres

hit mass wise

[south grove]

I just saw a thing.

I wanna kms now.

[paper harness]

@merry flume 10 Total now

[opal star]

shotgunners are weird because you'd think they would be tankier than gunners

and instead they're the softest elite in the entire game

[sinful widget]

Shotgunners are just dmg farms for zealots and purgatus users

[rotund shoal]

shotgunners are yumm

[opal star]

shotgunners be walking like they're all that and then get onetapped by a hsword light

[rotund shoal]

they used to only shotgun

no melee

were menaces

[visual stream]

Just hit 9th level last session for my group and we're about to fight the BBEG

[opal star]

flamers just be out here prefiring kicks

[sinful widget]

Their firing rhythm is predictable tho

[rotund shoal]

flamer kick is bs

half of toughness gone

to one kick

[opal star]

average varlet cannot withstand smelly tox flamer feet

[sinful widget]

All the pent up rage from dying to zarona one shots made them kick extra hard

[merry flume]

im back to 0, had a game where ogryn ate every disabler and team would tunnel vision to save him

[opal star]

it goes to shit when there's a bunch of them and they're firing in staggered volleys

[sinful widget]

Lore accurate ogryn

[sinful widget]

True unless u use fotf or stealth

[spare talon]

see why ive been using it a lot lately
finally clicked with me and ive been quite enjoying it

[paper harness]

0 now

friend i was qping with left in lobby screen

: )

[modest rampart]

what perks and blessing for flamer nowadays?

[paper harness]

and i got two shit psykers

[median steeple]

overpressure and blaze away, flak/elite

[spare talon]

that statements a bit redundant, aint it

[rotund shoal]

#zealot-class message

[paper harness]

rip

[merry flume]

😔

[spare talon]

i find the "death mark" of hardtide kinda pointless when your streak already resets doesnt it

and you can just remake the same build in a new slot cant you

[fleet zealot]

peets

[obsidian prairie]

Play 6 hours of darktide or 6 hours of ReFantazio

One of life's greatest questions

[paper harness]

If I die I reset them all

[spare talon]

I'm still remoting into my pc so the choice is obvious for me
I was eating shit in malice with the stutters and bursts of input delay even on zealot when helping a friend level one of his characters

[obsidian prairie]

Are you in mantira

Kinda looks like it

[spare talon]

im heading to the tomb ring side quest

[obsidian prairie]

Have you done the dungeon yet

Main dungeon

[obsidian prairie]

Oh

I cannot read that with my broke ass eyes

[spare talon]

android phone

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-small-paper-text-community-gif-5297402

[obsidian prairie]

Whatever, do the main dungeon asap when you can

It locks 2 links that you can do after it

[spare talon]

i mean do you not start it when the sandflash happens

[obsidian prairie]

No

Sandflash is scripted

[spare talon]

ah

well either way

im a persona player

ofc i do the entire dungeon in 1 day asap

also i learned what the hard diff changes are

normal has a 1x multi on damage dealt and taken

[obsidian prairie]

I'm in the habit of doing all the side dungeons first

[spare talon]

hard has .8x damage dealt and 1.5x taken

[obsidian prairie]

but the 4th city is kicking my fucking ass

[spare talon]

i did them all second at grand trad

[obsidian prairie]

I had to reload 3 hours of progress

[obsidian prairie]

Grand trad's extras are designed to be second

In the other areas you can do them first handily

except the 4th city I guess

fucking

level 50 boss in a side dungeon

at least I learned of a really good farming spot

[spare talon]

well luckily i am a grinding maniac

[obsidian prairie]

Also

you know how mage's overworld ability is like

really fucking good

[spare talon]

ye

[obsidian prairie]

ah shit I can't screenshot it but Masked Dancer (fancy name for Wild Card) has that plus HP under the same condition

[rocky nacelle]

@frosty herald

[spare talon]

autism squad

[rocky nacelle]

team meant to be a menace online

cause life drain and senzu beans

[vague depot]

its the senzu bean mf

[vague depot]

time for a little snack

[obsidian prairie]

Also the merchant overworld talent is fucked

[rocky nacelle]

dont project your autistic medieval persona onto dbz kino........

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-garn-47-garn-car-garn47-gif-17918098241540694989

[fleet zealot]

gar

[south grove]

lunchly????

time to kms

[spare talon]

what i am worried about is leveling archetypes that i may need for a specific boss setup
esp since xp you recieve depends directly on your level vs the enemies

which applies to axp as well

[south grove]

Flamers are the bane of my existence and my teammates who doesn't know how to aim heads makes it worse.

[obsidian prairie]

Entering and exiting akademia via Plateau respawns EVERYTHING

[spare talon]

so leveling archetypes for a specific boss strat that ive barely touched the first varient of on that character seems like it would be absolutely miserable and slog to level

[spare talon]

yes but the higher your actual level, the less they give

[obsidian prairie]

still useful

[spare talon]

i watched as the funny skeletons went from 5 xp to 2 xp

[south grove]

what mod is this

I wanna name my builds too

[spare talon]

and the axp dropped too

[obsidian prairie]

You can grow AXP items with a timeslot later on the gauntlet runner

But yeah trying to get a ton of stuff for protag is hard

[vague depot]

is it steam maintenance time or is my internet just shitting itself

[south grove]

frogcast in my hands

[spare talon]

time slot.......... stinky.........

[hushed knoll]

That's not right

Frogcast is an ice cream sundae frog

[spare talon]

im mainly worried about when i reach a boss and suddenly need to lvl an entire tree for one character to get past it within the same dungeon

like itll get done eventually
but hours would be lost doing so

[paper harness]

Name it

[obsidian prairie]

Hey

[hushed knoll]

Hello Carpets

[obsidian prairie]

At least you didn't waste 19 levels of Axp items on an archetype you won't use

[south grove]

WRONG

he is now in the stew

[obsidian prairie]

(I am still sobbing)

[hushed knoll]

No

[hushed knoll]

🤗

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850672089118933012/1265148909941166131/gamingglorpslam.gif

[obsidian prairie]

Not you related but yes I am also sobbing over what you did too don't worry

[spare talon]

this is GLORPSHIT

[hushed knoll]

Oh

I've done nothing

[obsidian prairie]

My regrets are immense

[south grove]

he is now dissolved

[copper hawk]

dorn

u r noob.

[south grove]

he shall be grinded into a fine powder

[copper hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850672089118933012/1265148909941166131/gamingglorpslam.gif?ex=670fdbfd&is=670e8a7d&hm=2261419af1e8e26956cd57a140a5ecfbd76d6efae6a6263dab3eed8e0b2f9793&

[obsidian prairie]

Because guess fucking what

[hushed knoll]

No wtf

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[obsidian prairie]

THIS ARCHETYPE IS REQUIRED FOR T3 WARRIOR

[hushed knoll]

I hate this

[obsidian prairie]

AND I ONLY NEEDED IT LEVELED FOR A MORE REQUEST

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[copper hawk]

I HATE YOU !!!

[hushed knoll]

Wtf

[south grove]

he will be grinded into a fibrous powder

[copper hawk]

Scorn the Josho grub,,

[hushed knoll]

Why do you want him to be a powder

[spare talon]

oh no
i have seen a clip of what i think this is

[spare talon]

inshallah

[broken walrus]

I came here for a break from Metaphor. I see that its not going to happen

[hushed knoll]

Huh?

[south grove]

medicinal use

[hushed knoll]

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-shaking-head-gif-13593506101986476598

[south grove]

frog powder

[hushed knoll]

So you want to snort Frogcast for medicinal use

?

[vague depot]

And recreational

[obsidian prairie]

The knight errants on the gauntlet runner do get a bit quirky when food is mentioned

She's like chile

[spare talon]

id be way further if i didnt keep playing darktide
hard is also kicking my ass
first main dungeon boss took me 14 minutes straight on the successful run

[hushed knoll]

I don't think snorting powedered frog is recreational

[obsidian prairie]

If she wasn't a shit character

[south grove]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6Z0UPq98UiEm7h1tHoYwzs?si=a0a4a7ce516642b8

I love danny

why did they let him go

[broken walrus]

@spare talon the necromancer was way harder than the egg shell monster for sure

[south grove]

toss checo out

[spare talon]

my favorite persona character

🇨🇱

[obsidian prairie]

It took me 4 attempts on normal until I allowed myself to Biden Blast (brawler light synthesis) the adds on the fifth and steamrolled it

[obsidian prairie]

I don't know how to spell the food version

[spare talon]

are you on normal or hard rn

[broken walrus]

im on hard

id play Regicide if theyd let me

[obsidian prairie]

I'm probably going to play a second time

I think this game might have a p4 izanami issue

[south grove]

not gonna lie I kinda like listening to PVZ music while playing darktide

[spare talon]

did you enjoy the minions being tanks and fucking 2 turn killing hulkenburg when she's in the back lane with someone pocket healing her

[desert fractal]

hi gamers

[south grove]

danny comeback in a week

[mighty root]

[south grove]

trust

[desert fractal]

ogryn hopes you shouties are having a good night

[spare talon]

and instantly killing any other party member if she didnt pull aggro

[south grove]

danny replace checo

then I can have the GOAT duo again

[south grove]

oh yea they're gonna buy back newey too

[broken walrus]

@spare talon yeah you gotta get her two turns to draw aggro and then guard

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[obsidian prairie]

If they ever attacked MC I started losing (I was runnign healer like a dumbass)

[south grove]

WTRFFFF

[spare talon]

yeah i put medi on seeker

[south grove]

WTFWAEFF

THE CAT

[obsidian prairie]

Time to do someones 8th link for the 3RD TIME

[pale spindle]

u heard the news?

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[spare talon]

i hope the bosses arent that fucking annoying on hard

[mighty root]

No

What happened

[pale spindle]

https://kotaku.com/asmongold-twitch-ban-youtube-gaza-israel-hasan-piker-1851672928

[south grove]

dead rat alarm guy got banned

[broken walrus]

Im 50 hours in and the game does get a bit easier once you have more archetyoe options

[spare talon]

cuz the difficulty was there but i was just not enjoying the fact that 1 single thing not happening in my favor ruined the fight i was 8 minutes into

[south grove]

hope it's permanent

I hate that guy

[pale spindle]

nah, he makes too much money

he already "apologized"

Twitch just needs to remind everyone to behave and then they let them get back on

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/buckshot-roulette-buckshotroulette-shotgun-gif-7745543681648177121

[mighty root]

Thank god

GOD IS GOOD 🙏

[spare talon]

stop complaining strohl
persona fans would pay large amounts of money for hulkenberg to sit on them like this and youre getting it for FREE
be thankful

[mighty root]

So happy he’s banned

[spare talon]

banned for 14 days

[south grove]

WRONG WORD WRONG WORD

[spare talon]

not permanently

[mighty root]

[pale spindle]

I know

[south grove]

I know what you are

I have a message logger

Epic_Cole, Parry Enthusiast — Today at 19:27
poop

[obsidian prairie]

I love that they wrote an actually consistently likable best friend

[copper hawk]

@hard nexus

[spare talon]

TRUE

[mighty root]

[obsidian prairie]

He's not a horny dumbass

its great

[spare talon]

i personally think hulkenberg 80% of the time is kinda boring with some good moments
but strohl is peak

[rotund shoal]

committee of affairs?

or a clone

i love that account

[south grove]

ALL OF THE LIGHTS

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah hulkenberg isn't my favorite

But hey

[rotund shoal]

TIN

wanna play?

[south grove]

yea

hop on rn

[rotund shoal]

lemme piss

[mighty root]

Darktide fish update when

[rotund shoal]

im on

[obsidian prairie]

she isn't 90% a goofy fucking trope

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-the-lights-kanye-gif-11061831

[mighty root]

🔥

[spare talon]

she's an atlus trope tho

[rotund shoal]

imma show you the power of taxe

[south grove]

wtf mann....

[rotund shoal]

just 2xed a purg psyker

a shitty one

but still

[paper harness]

Bleh

[mighty root]

Altus plateau

[south grove]

I do better in lights out than other modifiers

I love lights out

[rotund shoal]

i find it fun as well

[paper harness]

I pulled a 20k lead on one

[south grove]

they should bring back lights out global modifier

[mighty root]

New zealot buff

[paper harness]

I was doing nothing but collect plasteel

[paper harness]

I will actually quit darktide

[rotund shoal]

this guy was only level 70 so trash anyway but is always funny

[south grove]

I'm not even suprised you're a kanye fan

you're just like him fr

[mighty root]

[paper harness]

Lights out, pox gas, vent purge

All shit modifiers

[mighty root]

[rotund shoal]

first two are my favourite modifiers

lel

[south grove]

I don't like vent purge

[paper harness]

German

[mighty root]

Waaaaa I can’t adapt

[paper harness]

To be expected

[south grove]

they should combine the two

[rotund shoal]

i am not german

i just live here

[south grove]

pox gas / lights out

[rotund shoal]

immigration core

[paper harness]

https://tenor.com/view/2-blocked-messages-discord-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-meme-gif-4482802462778253475

[mighty root]

Pox gas isn’t that bad

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/rapping-kanye-west-all-of-the-lights-singing-spitting-rhymes-gif-18497385

[paper harness]

Austrian?

[rotund shoal]

god no

[paper harness]

[rotund shoal]

romanian

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-mercury-5feet-explain-better-call-saul-gif-26064518

[mighty root]

Can I have niturs today

[south grove]

*nitrus

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-smile-teeth-gif-16135914485170286499

[mighty root]

I can’t spell

[obsidian prairie]

This scene with her gets funnier later on

[paper harness]

Less specialists

[south grove]

lemme cook:
lights out pox gas HISTG

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-kanye-west-gif-22279829

[spare talon]

pox gas is the worst one

[paper harness]

No

[mighty root]

Free health stims tho

[paper harness]

Pox gas is just vent purge but move slowly

[south grove]

they should just take out the health stim spawns

[spare talon]

some areas in pox gas missions are just like
how did you think this was ok

[rotund shoal]

nah pox gas is rush time

[south grove]

make seperate stim for corruption cleansing only

[paper harness]

Lights out brings nothing to the table except low specialist concentration

[rotund shoal]

go one room in front of team

steal health stsims

solo

[south grove]

and not on downs

[rotund shoal]

fun as hell

[spare talon]

like i think that the latter half of baross's pox boundaries are obscene

[spare talon]

they are so large

[paper harness]

High shock is the only fun reg auric modifier

[south grove]

maybe make it do the field improv cleanse but not full wound cleansing

john hop on

it's gonna disappear

[rotund shoal]

i am on

[paper harness]

Duo it

[rotund shoal]

actually up for it

if we do it you cant call tintin uprising boy for a week

[paper harness]

Only what 200 specialists total in 30 mins non high shock auric

Do it without knife or stealth

[south grove]

it's true

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1293615088523280416/attachment.gif

Me killing dorn

Cause I hate him

[rotund shoal]

have neither

[rotund shoal]

taxe fotf

get ready tin

[paper harness]

Kill bots

Don’t revive them

[rotund shoal]

kk

[south grove]

mmmm

[paper harness]

NoBots should be just part of the fucking game tbh

[mighty root]

Just add vermintide bots

[paper harness]

Mobian high shock was kino

[split canyon]

So fellas, what does one take on the Duelling SDword for Blessings?

[spare talon]

ive seen someone spawn in bot zealots and ogryns before in a video

what the hell

[paper harness]

Yeah

I can do it in solo

[mighty root]

What character?

[paper harness]

Depends on the sword

[placid fiber]

Ogryn

[spare talon]

thrust/uncanny and precog on ds4
uncanny and riposte/precog on ds5

[placid fiber]

[spare talon]

id only take thrust if youre running fotf for ds4
and id only take precog on ds5 if youre running piety

[placid fiber]

I'm guessing that it's the same as the mk4 for the mk2? >.>

[mighty root]

On zealot I’d go mk4 with thrust and precog

[paper harness]

Mobi histg on Baross, Gloriana or logi was kino

[spare talon]

ds2 just isnt as good as the others, with it alternating stabs and thrusts

you cant go all in on them

[paper harness]

Imagine with monstrous

[placid fiber]

I know, I just am asking

[paper harness]

Would be peak

[spare talon]

with ds4 you can pass on uncanny cuz of the adms on stabs, but with ds5 you need uncanny cuz theyre all overheads

[copper hawk]

awh

4 me !?

[paper harness]

No

[copper hawk]

who says love cant exist between abhumans,,

[spare talon]

with ds2 you cant focus on either, so youre not able to use the most of the attacks

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile on the mk2 you gotta heavy 1 block cancel heavy 1 block cancel or something else that does the same thing pretty much...

[mighty root]

Tbh I don’t find any hoard clear a problem with the dsmk4 on zealot because of duelist and, fury, and peity

[spare talon]

ive noticed that ds5 just has much better horde clear

it also just feels way better

[mighty root]

I really haven’t played with that one often ngl

[paper harness]

Oh and assassinations, the best duo maps that

[placid fiber]

It's the defences stat, isn't it

[mighty root]

I like it

I just end up going back to 4

[placid fiber]

mk5 has cool heavies, mk4 has op heavies, mk2 has a bad heavy 2

[split canyon]

I usually run the Charge and the Momentum stacks thing.

[placid fiber]

@spare talon The main reason I was asking about the mk2 is cause I was gonna screw around with it for a bit >.>

[spare talon]

mk2 id probably just go with the same basis as mk5

[placid fiber]

Good to know, ty

[spare talon]

uncanny and precog or riposte

[split canyon]

Also Zealot Power Sword when?
I want to yell "SMITE" when I hit someone

[paper harness]

All deserve massive nerfs

[spare talon]

"smite"
sleeper agent activated

[mighty root]

[placid fiber]

I'm just glad they gave the mk2 a good heavy, instead of leaving it with 2 horrible heavies like before lol

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1293134993211658303/caption.gif

[paper harness]

The 5 can two shot crushers on heavy faster than a knife lmao

[paper harness]

They walk into death radius

Same with ds4 and plasma users

Gloriana claims them all

[placid fiber]

followed by

[paper harness]

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[mighty root]

Damm I tried to react to dorns message and he blocked me bruh

[mighty root]

Beast

[mighty root]

I hate the tac axe so much

[placid fiber]

@spare talon So, question Cole: Is marty as bad for the dueling sword as it is for the knife(meaning a much worse option than the other 2 keystones by a large margin)?

[south grove]

goat album

[mighty root]

Just got into warframe and used my free plat to trade for wukong prime

[paper harness]

The 5 could work with martydom

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/die-just-die-gif-23172530

[spare talon]

marty on the mk4 is just kind of a waste

what are you gonna do
one shot them harder

[mighty root]

Marty bruh

[placid fiber]

Well yeah, but, for the mk2 or mk5?

[hard nexus]

respond to my warframe slop

immediately!!!

[paper harness]

Since you don’t really benefit that much from IJ on the 5

[placid fiber]

Honestly I'm tempted to try the mk5 as well as the mk2 for the dueling sword

[hard nexus]

even more dodge distance

[spare talon]

like dorn said yeah it can work
the lights are actually quite good and i use em quite a bit, so the damage helps there, esp since the light combo has an overhead in it

[paper harness]

Since it’s dodges are already comically insane

[mighty root]

I feel like if you are running Marty you should have access to temp hp

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/zero-escape-sigma-vlr-999-gif-14191113824735257854

[spare talon]

i didnt get to finish watching it

[mighty root]

Instead of toughness

[south grove]

isn't toughness temp hp

[placid fiber]

double positive dodge distance:

[south grove]

why

[paper harness]

No

[placid fiber]

toughness is temp hp with chip to remaining hp when below 100%

[paper harness]

Toughness stops being thp the second you take a single point of damage to it

[mighty root]

Temp hp would just make Marty more effective

[rocky nacelle]

@frosty herald

shin stare

[ornate bone]

male receding hairline

[placid fiber]

I love how we explained it pretty much exactly the same way and with different wording lol

[mighty root]

Really loving the knife on psyker

Love my mobility

[paper harness]

It also doesn’t account for crushers

It can if you have wasted all your points damage reduction maxxing

[mighty root]

I get to run away and use more purg

[spare talon]

when playing properly in vt2 you are much more tanky than in darktide

[placid fiber]

What about for Vet's with 50% tdr above 75% toughness and the 50% tdr bonus after stealth and 240 toughness? >.>

[paper harness]

Just can’t do ogryn 4 consecutive overheads like you can on ogryn

[mighty root]

That’s why Marty was SOOO good in vt2

[placid fiber]

In all honesty the last time I played marty in vt2 I played it like I do in darktide... and I didn't go down to full buffs and kept hp(and wasn't extremely tilted when hp regen in the wastes)

[paper harness]

Tbh if playing properly I don’t take any hp damage in dt

[placid fiber]

Tru...

[spare talon]

yeah but im talking about the average player

[paper harness]

Just play ogryn and ignore the ogrynomicon

[mighty root]

I actually maldded when I got healed

I had to type please don’t heal me and they kept doing it

[placid fiber]

There's 2 kinds of zealot in vt2: Ones who get tilted from hp restored by teammates/random boons... and ones who don't give af... and Darktide makes you more into the latter one >.>

[mighty root]

So I got a barrel and threw it at them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1293615088523280416/attachment.gif

[spare talon]

see i used the ogrynomicon just to make versions of the weapons ive never used
just to have them
they wont be doing anything but sitting in storage anyway, not when car sales exists

[paper harness]

All but one ogryn weapon set sucks

Somehow

[placid fiber]

The one thing that made me really happy is seeing them describe wound curios on oggy the right way: A noobtrap

[mighty root]

God bless the orgyn cleaver

[spare talon]

seeing opportunist and skullcrusher being put on the same level as each other for ogryn was very questionable

[paper harness]

Remember guys, wrath on pickaxes is good, we know what we are talking about

[spare talon]

esp when ogryn just gets free rending in the tree

for no reason

[paper harness]

That’s why we also suggest coherency regeneration on curios

[placid fiber]

I mean you have the +50% coherency regen with a free +25 toughness after it at least, so it's not as bad lol

[obsidian prairie]

The effects of medium damage skills on the economy

[placid fiber]

having over 200 toughness on Oggy feels so fucking good lol

[mighty root]

I run the cleave heavy or whatever and tenderize

On my mk4 cleaver

[paper harness]

Taking coherency regen on the offense sustain class

[spare talon]

i probably can see the train of thought on it
they get the most significant node for it that basically every build takes anyway cuz of a +25 after it
so theyre just investing further into it

that being said, its not something worth investing in to begin with, but i can see the logic

[spare talon]

wait you can have 5 party members

[paper harness]

For the 3 mins of each game where you aren’t fighting anything

[spare talon]

at the same time

[obsidian prairie]

No

[spare talon]

or is it 4

[obsidian prairie]

I just didn't show their names

[obsidian prairie]

4

[placid fiber]

Now that I think of it: You make a good point... I get 20% toughness back on every heavy that hits an enemy(I have both to the single and multiple)... wait why tf do I have toughness regen speed on oggy with that?

[full nebula]

man i love seeing people with hundreds of levels who are terrible

shits hilarious

[paper harness]

No they tell people to put it on curios

[sinful widget]

average vet with psword and pgun

[obsidian prairie]

I LOVE INVISIBLE MAZES I LOVE INVISIBLE MAZES

[paper harness]

Average player in general

[placid fiber]

It used to be +100%(instead of +50%) on the talent a long time ago, and my brain still remembers that lol

[full nebula]

@mighty root something straight out of 2010 ytp

[placid fiber]

full coherency regen made my oggy go from 0 to full in like... 1.5 seconds or less lol

[spare talon]

yes ik thats what i mean by "further investing in it"
like in a vacuum it makes sense considering youre already getting so much from the talent, so adding the curio perks to futher increase it is logical
well, it would be logical if you both didnt get 20% toughness every hit and the slot system didnt flip the switch off on it

[full nebula]

@sinful widget it was literally a vet lmao, didnt pay attention to the weapons tho lol

[sinful widget]

knew it

[full nebula]

400+ levels

went down like 5 times

[placid fiber]

Does the +50% coherency radius make it so you count as in other poeple's coherency from further away?

[sinful widget]

vet class is so strong that it makes bad players think they're good

[paper harness]

It takes forever for coherency to regen, when I could push it to max by attacking 6 times

[full nebula]

zealot too

[placid fiber]

for oggy

[full nebula]

😄

[lunar fable]

true level ain't shit

[full nebula]

it can give you a decent idea but yeah a lot of times it doesnt mean anything

[spare talon]

this node here for zealot should additionally disable the slot system turning off your coherency regen
hell, could even make it do the same with your own regen for your teammates too, so they get the benefit from your coherency regen even if they have a slot filled

[sinful widget]

maybe eu has bad zealots but in asia its usually the bad vets and psykers that tank a run

[placid fiber]

I mostly take the +50% coherency regen for the +25 toughness node right after it... I've honestly been considering removing my toughness regen speed perks on my curios and now I'm gonna do it for sure lol

[paper harness]

Every ogryn I have seen past 650 has been terrible

Without fail

[full nebula]

if i queue quickplay its normally bad every class

[lunar fable]

good thing my ogryn is only like 110

[full nebula]

my psykers only 50ish and i normally lead the scoreboard with randoms

[sinful widget]

sometimes u get gems like bad players who know they're bad so they just save their med stims for you haha

[full nebula]

not a flex tho

see the problem with qp at least on the na servers is you're gonna get majority bad players

[placid fiber]

This is what I've been running on my heavy hitter build for my oggy

[full nebula]

most people who are decent already play in groups

[placid fiber]

wait

[plush estuary]

☹️

[placid fiber]

this

[lunar fable]

i've had this happen a lot

[paper harness]

No bleed bullrush

[full nebula]

Anyone else see the new ogryn perk that opens a squad of bulwark shields with 1 push?

[paper harness]

Sad

[placid fiber]

Am I trolling or does this make it so you get coherency from further away?

[full nebula]

talent bottom mid

[spare talon]

a lot of the time in assassination mission someone will just jab me with a stim right when it starts
they just know

[paper harness]

I am yet to find a pub who will do that for me

[full nebula]

legit doing maelstrom on na servers you might be lucky to get a decent squad every like 5 games

maybe

[sinful widget]

i guess asia qp aint so bad

[paper harness]

Too busy complaining I am too far ahead or too far behind

[lunar fable]

i've had pugs use their damage stims on me at the boss

[full nebula]

every game its like 2-3 people who are like +20 and obviously wont be able to do shit lmao

[spare talon]

#zealot-class message

[full nebula]

so you end up carrying

this game needs option skill based match making

filter everyone below a certain amount of hours lol

[mighty root]

Just had kfc

[full nebula]

i ate that earlier

while drunk, then took a nap

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-shaking-head-gif-13593506101986476598

[fleet zealot]

When it’s slaanesh chaos warriors and not nurgle

[full nebula]

accurate

[mighty root]

You got the booty dude

Really hope we get new va’s or a class

[full nebula]

x doubt

more weapons and maps i forsee, or maybe chaos wastes type thingy

[mighty root]

I need saltz back

[full nebula]

we need an adventure mode that lets you choose the path you want to take through the maps

like if maps share the same sector, allow you to move to the other maps

idk if its possible but thatd be neat

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-vermintide-2-saltzpyre-thumbs-up-victor-saltzpyre-gif-12423588020318615207

[full nebula]

be neat too if we got another content update before the years out

but big x doubt

we'll see

might do something for the holiday, they'd be dumb not to at least run an event or something

[sinful widget]

darktide and vt2 crossover event where characters just swap games with each other, uber5 on tertium

[full nebula]

gw just make time travel possible and do a cop out like every other property smh

thats what everybody does when they write themselves into a corner

[south grove]

death by lasfire

[sinful widget]

big e sends john grammaticus back in time to murder erebus and kor phaeron but grammaticus dies in the process

40k solved

[south grove]

cole got me into master boot records

[spare talon]

@obsidian prairie honestly
ive found myself ending up just loosely following the powerpyx guide
for p3r i only gave it a glance every now and again but right now basically everything ive been doing and planned to do just lines up with it

[obsidian prairie]

I haven't been using a guide at all

[south grove]

AHHHAHAAHHAAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

https://tenor.com/view/4lokogangemperor-fnaf-goldern-freddy-fredbear-ys-gif-14811637999274399355

[obsidian prairie]

I did use one to outline my stuff for the persona games but I am just going blind here

[visual stream]

Are you a fellow Morgana hater

[obsidian prairie]

Yes

[visual stream]

Also should I play P4 or P3R next

Thinking P3R

[obsidian prairie]

Morgana could have been good

Evidence: Gallica

[spare talon]

i know someone who loves morgana, like their favorite p5 character

[visual stream]

If he didn't spam horny on main as one of his core personality traits

And/or spam in general I guess

[broken walrus]

@visual stream I recommend p4, just cuz p4's graphics are pretty rough compared to the remade game

[south grove]

brunt is edging me

I wanna kms

[undone flame]

best flamethrower build?

[south grove]

flamer for me is just a slap on

[spare talon]

he also hijacked harus character development in what little screen time she had available to her and made it about himself when it was him just getting pissy from a petty argument

[south grove]

don't use a build for it

[visual stream]

Forgot about that

Yeah thinking back, Haru didn't develop a lot

She had some at least

[broken walrus]

Haru gets more screen time in the spin offs. Too bad no one plays those

[visual stream]

Also I think it is odd that they made the "rebellion" outfit of the sexual harrassment character very sexualized

[spare talon]

i did
except tactics, barely got into that one
not a fan of the gameplay

[visual stream]

I mean you can say that it's reclaiming it but it still feels odd on a teenager dawg

You can wear your school outfit and stay outside of the dungeon brobro

Ann's only use in my save is spamming Dia from outside of the team

[obsidian prairie]

I just gave her Elizabeth's velvet room outfit

I ran all the guys in christmas stuff and the girls in velvet room

Violently red and blue

[obsidian prairie]

Trying to predict which way the hotspring incident will go wrong and taking bets on whose fault it is

[cold aspen]

which mark is preferred for duelist sword ?

[spare talon]

mk4 is the one people like and the most overpowered atm

[cold aspen]

gotcha

[spare talon]

mk5 is also just as good but just has a different moveset, overheads instead of stabs

mk2 is the child eating glue in the corner

[obsidian prairie]

Also, the macguffin magic shit thats causing the world to end this time around

Is just a fancy name for depression

WHY ARE THERE SUPERHOT MECHANICS IN THIS DUNGEON

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/gibberish-discord-meme-get-this-man-a-shield-wakanda-gif-1239357558790190300

[spare talon]

what.....

[obsidian prairie]

First an invisible maze

and now this

[spare talon]

they werent kidding when they said they wanted to keep the game fresh with twists and turns

[spare talon]

this doesnt look real

why he head on he side and he leg like that

[visual stream]

Look at this little dude getting out of his shell

Literally

[obsidian prairie]

They are certainly succeding

[obsidian prairie]

They cannot keep getting away with this

(from a t1 archetype)

[spare talon]

are you fucking kidding me

literally goated attack
AND it provides the best defensive buff in a press turn system

AND

AND

[full nebula]

another vet in the hundreds, this time died to tailwhip from nurgle and instantly left

[spare talon]

IN THIS GAME THE DEBUFFS/BUFFS CAN STACK 3x

[obsidian prairie]

Wizard just has shit like Gablizza as a synthesis

and a T1 ARCHETYPE

[broken walrus]

Monke brain likes Skyfall bolt tho

[obsidian prairie]

HAS AN FULLPARTY EXTREME WITH A STATUS DEBUFF

[spare talon]

ive progressed like 2 days in the last 4 hours
i need to just shut up and play the game lmao

[visual stream]

It doesn't just stack the duration??

[obsidian prairie]

Also this

[visual stream]

That sounds like pokemon levels of silly

[obsidian prairie]

But not nearly as strong (this is on the t2 version)

oh right

[merry flume]

@fleet zealot

[obsidian prairie]

Welcome back Dragon something or other

[spare talon]

3 arrows, 3 debuff stacks

[broken walrus]

There are abilities that state they increase/decrease by multiple stages

[fleet zealot]

So stubborn

[obsidian prairie]

I still want to build this for endgame

[placid fiber]

I changed my oggy build up a little bit and am testing how this feels, since I'm using that to get to the 2nd +25 toughness node at the top. <.<

[obsidian prairie]

I have a weapon that boosts it

[placid fiber]

I also now have 409hp instead of like... 360 on my heavy hitter build since I changed the toughness regen speed perks to 5% hp ones lol

[spare talon]

Walk into garage
See this
Leave garage

[spare talon]

Are you serious

No wonder the first boss was so hard
We just didn't have the tools they were balancing the game around

[broken walrus]

Ye the commander's buffs are bonkers

[placid fiber]

Cole! Rate my hp and toughness amount for my oggy! >_>'

I'm gonna enjoy this new build, I think

[grizzled aspen]

psyker blows up a burster on top of me with a trauma staff
I slowly turns towards him
he makes eye contact and leaves the match

[obsidian prairie]

The economy is in shambles

HALF THE DUNGEON IS WEAK THE THESE PEOPLE'S MELEE WHY ARE THEY SO LOW

[rotund shoal]

@paper harness

duo auric with tintin

[south grove]

ALL OF THE LIGHTS

[full nebula]

el oh el

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-kanye-west-gif-22279829

[rotund shoal]

magistrati oubliette with the FUCKED spawn at the beginning

[full nebula]

sure enough, the one guy good enough to survive in this game isnt smart enough to know placement

2 people go down, let me jump into the shitstorm lmao

[south grove]

maxed out zealot mastery

I can finally play the game

[inner cargo]

This chat feels like a fever dream sometimes

[south grove]

https://tenor.com/view/don-pollo-gif-2838334999655911553

idk man

[drifting wolf]

it is a fever dream, we're not real

[south grove]

seems pretty real to me

wake up sallet, it's been 5 years since the accident

[opaque island]

we do in fact live in a society, just in case yall didnt know

[full nebula]

someones crankin their hog to that gif

[rotund shoal]

me

[full nebula]

hot

[south grove]

I'm ODing on caffeine again

[opaque island]

how is his belly so big yet so solid and immovable

thas talent

[south grove]

he's pregnant

[rocky nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036206767958405170/1250625008456437860/attachment-1-2.gif?ex=67106a4d&is=670f18cd&hm=ac2a8dea3348b3be17729066979d6caaa4fbb921ec3bc03d63c868b94c514677&

[full nebula]

lots of beer workouts

[south grove]

I did suprisingly well with no stamina curios

I still want my sprint back tho

[full nebula]

just walk everywhere like playing ogryn

[opaque island]

news flash you dont have to sprint all the time

[south grove]

I HATE playing ogryn

[full nebula]

slow good

[south grove]

I'm a mobility player

[opaque island]

in fact not sprinting can be good sometimes

[full nebula]

they bring themselves to the meat grinder, its a nice change from always zipping around

[spare talon]

@obsidian prairie

[opaque island]

wha...what?

[south grove]

I can sprint n slide the whole game without running out of stamina and do PA

but I probably should wean off 3 stam curios

[full nebula]

seems excessive

[south grove]

I have like 15 +3 stamina curios per character

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[south grove]

it is not excessive, it's an addiction

[full nebula]

but you cant even use all of that, after i put the build on and stamina regen on curios, is super hard for me to drain it lol

even running and pa

[broken walrus]

you also need the stam to assert dominance in the race at the start of the level

[opaque island]

is it just normal for you to get stamina when you get shot

i feel like that wasnt a thing before

[grizzled aspen]

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO BAD AT THIS GAME

[rotund shoal]

yes its a thing

[grizzled aspen]

ITS NOT HARD TO NOT STAND IN THE OPEN AND GET SHOT BY SNIPERS

[rotund shoal]

i never remembered it being a thing

[opaque island]

I FEEL LIKE IT WASNT A THING

[rotund shoal]

but yes for some reason it happens

shotgunners

[spare talon]

its been a thing

[rotund shoal]

give you stamina

when they shoot you

[south grove]

psyops!!!!!

[rotund shoal]

especially

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

@grizzled aspen

[spare talon]

recieving damage restores stamina

[south grove]

girls aren't real!!!!

[grizzled aspen]

It's fucking unreal.

[opaque island]

well it fucks with my 20% damage on no stamina for big bonks

and it annoys me

[spare talon]

desperation lasts for 5s after it procs

[grizzled aspen]

This guy is using a fucking power sword with serrated blade and won't charge it except for armor.

[opaque island]

let me be annoyed unreasonably

[spare talon]

or, rather, it lasts for 5s after you STOP being at 0 stam

[full nebula]

he knows what hes doing mind ur business smh

[south grove]

hsword setup?

I forgot

made a new one

[full nebula]

theres no scoreboard for a reason nerd, kills dont matter

the only people who think kills dont matter are the ones who get carried

[grizzled aspen]

And the psyker is using the talent where you dont go down when you pop and keeps chugging medicae because he wont stop popping.

[south grove]

LMAO

[opaque island]

max wound suicide psyker build

you will not stop me

[grizzled aspen]

He has used medicae SEVEN TIMES.

[south grove]

need to keep smiting

!!!!!

[grizzled aspen]

AND HE JUST KILLED HIMSELF!!!

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-kitty-komaru-cat-explosion-cat-cat-explosion-gif-4940756872467221811

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-dies-thanks-avengers-bye-gif-13915365

[obsidian prairie]

Why the actual fuck is full party heat riser 2 MP MORE EXPENSIVE THAN NORMAL HEAT RISER

[acoustic dune]

is this him?

[full nebula]

HE KNOWS WHAT HES DOING STOP QUESTIONING HIS METHODS

[warm rapids]

wahts the best support zealot build also are the knives any good? what if i cant aim

[full nebula]

RREEEEEEEEEE TOXIC PLAYER

[south grove]

knives are the best one imo

[opaque island]

knives are the best throwable zealot has

and i hate it

[south grove]

you need to learn to aim

start using flamer

[full nebula]

Based immolation nade enjoyers

[south grove]

you'll be forced to learn it

[acoustic dune]

my beloved pocket revolver in knife form

[opaque island]

wrong

[grizzled aspen]

I don't even have the energy to tell them they need to queue in sedition instead.

[full nebula]

correct

[south grove]

hsword setup????

[autumn void]

What would be a good blitz for a support class?

[south grove]

I scrapped my old one

[opaque island]

im not an immolation nade enjoyer either

[autumn void]

Purely theoretical

[south grove]

made a new one

[opaque island]

so what does that leave matt

[drifting wolf]

chorus

[grizzled aspen]

Cookie cutter IJ/martyr build.

[full nebula]

knives are just more revolver shots, thats what revolver is for

[opaque island]

i know you can think it through

[full nebula]

no thats me

[south grove]

weapon itself

[full nebula]

knives bad

well good

[acoustic dune]

did he run any wound curio?

[full nebula]

but bad

[opaque island]

god that was uneedingly aggresive

im sorry

[acoustic dune]

like at all

[grizzled aspen]

Flak maniac deathblow headtaker mk9.

[grizzled aspen]

Max wounds.

[acoustic dune]

then he know what he is doing

[south grove]

I have a mob dump, making a cleave dump another time

[acoustic dune]

let the man cook

[grizzled aspen]

The vet wasn't running any wounds but she was just dumb.

[south grove]

still deathblow?

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

Unless you want to use another model, then sub out deathblow for rampage.

[acoustic dune]

wait he didnt run the new perk?

[spare talon]

knives give the most optimal pathing for every build, and instantly remove the need for your gun to handle specialists, which is the biggest reason you use your gun as zealot

[grizzled aspen]

He did.

[acoustic dune]

then let him cook

[grizzled aspen]

No.

He isn't even exploding at meaningful times.

He's just dumb using a trauma staff.

[acoustic dune]

mans a maniac

[full nebula]

no hes good

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-oomfie-gif-27094883

[opaque island]

what was the vet doing stupidly

[rocky nacelle]

@frosty herald run the sparking zero fade more later

[acoustic dune]

dying

[opaque island]

why am i here? i feel like im forgetting something

[acoustic dune]

shrimple as that

[grizzled aspen]

Uncharged psword with serrated blade and can't aim plasma worth a shit.

[south grove]

flak unarmoured for tac axe?

[warm rapids]

whats the best way to get penances done faster

[full nebula]

uh

[south grove]

MMT

[full nebula]

do easy ones

[south grove]

many more tries

just hop in, toss the nades, leave

repeat

[grizzled aspen]

I have no idea on taxes, I use flak maniac because that works on everything.

[obsidian prairie]

Taxes need unarmored for a BM breakpoint

But if you don't run it (which is fine) they can use whatever

[warm rapids]

is there a certain perk on the devils claw sword that helps take down carapace enemies?

[grizzled aspen]

No.

[warm rapids]

thunderstrike?

[opaque island]

what room do i have for knives here?

[full nebula]

devils claw and heavy swords are good against armor on purpose

arent

[spare talon]

thunderstrike is not only ass, it is even more terrible on dclaw

[grizzled aspen]

The only thing you have to assist in removal of carapace is popping chastise right before you parry.

[opaque island]

ignore the one node on the bottom i couldnt find anything else to put it in i cared about

[spare talon]

you want shred rampage

[grizzled aspen]

No sustained assault...

[acoustic dune]

why not do more close range damage

[opaque island]

guess what this is for

[plush estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[opaque island]

oh cmon its not that bad

[tender crow]

what guns are most viable for zealot?

[plush estuary]

any

[acoustic dune]

recon lasy my beloved

[tender crow]

mostly with eviscerator

[opaque island]

I could get rid of vicous offering for sustained assault actually.

thats not a bad idea

[plush estuary]

anti rager gun then

maybe an auto gun

[tender crow]

braced viable?

[spare talon]

you also dont NEED bleed for the emp

[south grove]

does this mean good things?

[plush estuary]

[rotund shoal]

go agri brauto

[opaque island]

i like the extra survivabilty

[spare talon]

braced is one of zealots best guns for anything

[rotund shoal]

fun as hel

[tender crow]

Is good compared to vet braced auto?

[rotund shoal]

better

[opaque island]

with max wounds thats alot of health getting damage reduction

[rotund shoal]

cuz dance of death

[spare talon]

arguably its better cuz of dance of death

[tender crow]

I find it's mid on vet even with a perfect one

[south grove]

I'm assuming the mob and pen not being full means it gets put into the other three values?

[spare talon]

its amazing on zealot

[rotund shoal]

its ok on vet but might as well pick up an infantry autogun

on zealot it really shines

[spare talon]

-75% spread and recoil on dodge is so free

and it makes it a sniper

[tender crow]

true

[warm rapids]

How Doom hold heat and preach non violence?

[copper hawk]

Astartes

[spare talon]

and you really see how much damage it outputs when youre lazering everyshot into that ragers head from 100 miles away

[opaque island]

I could get rid of the reach over for TWBS but like, i dont think i can play zealot without it anymore

[spare talon]

instead of missing a lot