zealot-class

[remote lark]

i know its good

not saying its not

[solar gorge]

you press parry when you're about to get hit

[remote lark]

i just like the feel of crit and getting to use crit rtelated talents, or martyrs attack speed

momentum just isn't as noticeable

thats all

[frosty herald]

bolter inexorable judgement is so peak

[blissful tendon]

or the first .3s after you hold that pose near the middle of the animation

[spare talon]

timing only matters on a tiny amount of attacks, like overheads from crushers

[solar gorge]

the window is p big

[blissful tendon]

yeah but thats like 90% of my parry use cases

[spare talon]

i think the damage from IJ isnt noticable
the attack speed an dodge distance def is

[remote lark]

dodge distance?

[frosty herald]

i am still sad that we lost 5 stacks of judgement

you cant reach the firing speed cap just using the keystone

[blissful tendon]

i still have brain damage and dodge too much to use parry during hordeclear so i just use heavy attacks

[spare talon]

IJ gives dodge distance, speed, and regen rate from stacks too

doesnt say

but it does

[remote lark]

wtf?

[spare talon]

yeah

its fucking crazy

[paper harness]

why do you think I told you to use it

lmao

[remote lark]

dorn

you

said

use

my

knife

build

[frosty herald]

excuse me the fuck???

[remote lark]

[paper harness]

I did not

[remote lark]

im actually crashing out

[hard nexus]

it actually only has an effect against crushers and maulers i’m pretty sure, even on their non overhead attacks

other attacks don’t seem to have a perfect parry bonus

[hard nexus]

yah it’s all hidden

[frosty herald]

damn

[hard nexus]

and bosses too probably

[remote lark]

whats the name of that tooltip mod again?

im just gonna go get it

[hard nexus]

enhanced descriptions

[paper harness]

read kulis guides

[hard nexus]

it’s not updated to this version yet

so

yah

[remote lark]

bugged t hen?

[hard nexus]

not bugged

just a little outdated

[remote lark]

also i saw dorn had a mod that gives you extra talent presets

[hard nexus]

just check kuli’s guides

[remote lark]

okie

[hard nexus]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

[frosty herald]

parrying the beast tailswipe

[spare talon]

p sure demonhosts have the same thing too

[hard nexus]

probably do

[spare talon]

@frosty herald @remote lark

[hard nexus]

where are their guides

[solar gorge]

top 10 mods that should just be vanilla

[remote lark]

how hard is it

[solar gorge]

number dos

[remote lark]

to just like

make correct tooltips

[paper harness]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3318538305

[frosty herald]

ok thats stupid

[placid fiber]

how to tell us you have trypophobia without telling us you have trypophobia

[spare talon]

i still need to read through this
im glad they finally made this one the other day

[remote lark]

?

[frosty herald]

i might have to play more tactically with judgement then and getting full stacks before attacking

[remote lark]

saved ty

[solar gorge]

this kind of thing is a fs staple

[remote lark]

...

[hard nexus]

r these pinned in a chat or no

[solar gorge]

a darktillion hidden mechanics on talents

[remote lark]

[remote lark]

yeah so

i have arachnophobia

[placid fiber]

I do as well

Scorpions r cool tho

[remote lark]

stuff like that and what ya'll posted make me feel like x2 as bad as spider sdo

i CANNOT STAND looking at that kind of stuff

[solar gorge]

close your eyes

[placid fiber]

I don't blame you, some of it can be disturbing. I wasn't hating on you <.<

[remote lark]

i know

c:

i got new emotes today

:3

[placid fiber]

[remote lark]

[solar gorge]

horrible

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-uzumaki-junji-ito-horror-gif-12013994626959537302

[hard nexus]

dclaw with bolter is very viable

[solar gorge]

please never post again

[remote lark]

[hard nexus]

do not listen 2 stinker dorn

[placid fiber]

tfw your eye is thinking harder than everything else...

[paper harness]

perfect parry lol

[naive stirrup]

i unironically run this

[hard nexus]

same

[naive stirrup]

boltgun or bolt pistol on every build, pistol if crusher because lethal prox

[hard nexus]

yeah you can kill a crusher with parry, or everything with parry

i just

don’t want to

[visual stream]

Probably mostly because IJ could circumvent its main weakness being bad dodges

[hard nexus]

because it takes forever

without chastise

[paper harness]

just hit fotf 4hed

[remote lark]

wdym pistol if crusher

how does lethal help with that

[visual stream]

And maybe duellist? Not sure

[hard nexus]

crusher the melee weapon

[remote lark]

oh

tee hee

[naive stirrup]

lethal proximity buffs the crusher

[remote lark]

yeah ok

[hard nexus]

lethal prox buffs the crusher’s empowered attacks

[paper harness]

degenerate

[naive stirrup]

is that news to you??

[remote lark]

i've still never even equipped the crusher before

[spare talon]

yeah but we wouldnt be seeing the same level of instant brokenness like we did with ds

[vague depot]

How do you apply lethal prox on crusher

[spare talon]

by having a boltpistol with lethal prox

thats it

[remote lark]

i'd assume you just stagger close enemies with lethal prox then smack them with crusher

[frosty herald]

im so annoyed puncture doesnt work with lethal proximity

[naive stirrup]

it would be funny

[remote lark]

i was told it did

yama

[frosty herald]

it wouldve been such a cool synergy

it doesnt

[vague depot]

Wouldn’t it only work if you are holding the pistol

[placid fiber]

Melk at his trolling again lol

[vague depot]

Or was that only for grenades

[remote lark]

dude this chat is actually going to make me self-martyr

i get told shit and then later people are like

"yeah actually noooo"

[frosty herald]

trust me on this

lethal proximity doesnt work with puncture

[spare talon]

lethal prox is an exception, its a global buff that increases the radius of all explosions regardless whats in your hand atm, this applies to shredder grenades on vet too

[remote lark]

stop talking for several days

[frosty herald]

same thing with normal bolter

[vague depot]

Oh ok that’s nice

[frosty herald]

you dont get any bleed from collateral damage

only direct hits

[spare talon]

for crusher with lethal rprox, the increased explosion radius also applies skullcrusher to enemies suppressed by it

[remote lark]

@paper harness i was thinking about something i wanted to ask you about
assuming you run 2 toughness curio (like most builds do i think)

is there a mathematically correct amount of TDR you need to have in order to get back to full toughness with 1 kill after taking a hit from a bruiser or a chaff

i was gonna do the math myself to figure it out for fun but if its already done i dont wanna

[frosty herald]

thats indeed a cool quirk

same thing as crucian working on melee

[remote lark]

would be cool to figure out defensive breakpoints like that

[naive stirrup]

i should build a bolt pistol for my vet

[remote lark]

bolt pistol sound design is so peak

[frosty herald]

just use toughness on heavy kill

10% toughness back in 1 hit

[paper harness]

impossible

actually

[remote lark]

its only impossible by a margin of like 1%

"Permanent" uptime:

50% TDR after crit (permanent with piety crit build after 1-2 hits)
5% TDR node
15% TDR augmented aura
5% tdr node
25% TDR during fury

Multiplicative total:

~ 28.7% damage taken as a flat value with defense piety node

~ 38.27% damage taken with offense piety node (+10% crit)

Situational uptime:
25% DR after dodge for 2.5s (21.525 after multi total) (28.6 with offense node)
60% First time taking hp damage in 10s (4s duration) (this would apply on second hit taken assuming toughness isn't full, so any situation where i screw up) (11.48 after multi total) (15.308 with offense node)

Possible max toughness defense: 8.61% damage taken for 2.5s followed by 11.48% for 1.5s afterwards

2.87% difference if good balance is triggered and defense piety node is taken

Possible max toughness defense (offensive node): 11.44% damage taken for 2.5s followed by 15.308% damage taken for 1.5s afterwards

--

[frosty herald]

chief

[remote lark]

i did the math on defensive stats earlier running down the piety tree

[frosty herald]

it doesnt have to be this complicated

[remote lark]

i like numbers

if it gets to the same result dont complain

[frosty herald]

how about i make you shut up

[remote lark]

i was doing silly stuff earlier like getting to 89% tdr and taking a crusher overhead

can get even higher with martyr technically

but it is over compliated yes

[south grove]

I've decided that evis isn't that bad

but only the mk3

[paper harness]

your numbers are wrong

[remote lark]

explain

[violet hornet]

on malice?

[remote lark]

damnation

malice boy is just a meme

[violet hornet]

oh shiieet

[south grove]

falsehoods

[remote lark]

besides if i drew up numbers for malice and dropped them in here before doing damnation first

dorn would eat me alive

[paper harness]

fs calculations

[remote lark]

-.-

thats fine, there's a much simpler way of calculating it

[frosty herald]

its insane how clean this looks

[remote lark]

on a 164 toughness build (2 curio, not perfect) you get:
5% toughness back on kill (8 toughness)

Horde enemies deal 77 toughness damage to base zealot with 0 talents or items

[violet hornet]

it'd better look clean they probably have a squad of 10 servitors just to scrub it

[remote lark]

sooooo

[frosty herald]

a simple fella like me would just run stalwart and not worry about the other dr

[remote lark]

you'd need about 89.62 TDR to get it all back in one hit

unless you take the 50% more toughness back node

[fleet zealot]

I don't think that is possible wihtout 50% more toughness node but like

[remote lark]

where you'd need 84.42

[paper harness]

FS damage calculations as applied to the player are a lot of separate systems that don’t make any sense and cannot be predicted

Even Grimalackt couldn’t accurately predict damage taken

[remote lark]

dont tempt me

i like spreadsheets

84% tdr is not feasible in real gameplay so you'd probably want to look at getting full toughness back with two kills instead of one

[paper harness]

RNG

Enjoy calculating rng

[stone fern]

[paper harness]

And how tdr is actually calculated

[remote lark]

i'm an mmo player

i breathe rng

[stone fern]

i hate stochastics

[paper harness]

That doesn’t even surprise me

[frosty herald]

have you considered working as an administrator or secretary

[remote lark]

[paper harness]

Malice boy is in tech

[remote lark]

databases and security

yep

[paper harness]

Furry

[remote lark]

yep

[frosty herald]

secure deez

[remote lark]

nuts

[stone fern]

being a furry makes you a better programmer

[paper harness]

Auto assume in text

Tech

[stone fern]

thats a well known fact

[paper harness]

I took 800 damage replying mid game

IJ is so useful because on a lot of weapons having the dodge distance is a make or break

Chain axe etc

[naive stirrup]

if one plane full of only furries went missing the tech industry would be crippled for months
this is not a joke

[paper harness]

Flak maniac flak unyielding shred rampage

[paper harness]

It is a joke

[remote lark]

it wont be a joke when i'm done with it

[stone fern]

its not

[paper harness]

I do not care what pirate software says

[remote lark]

LMFAO

[stone fern]

do not look up the sexual/gender orientations of of all the people who maintain most linux distros

[paper harness]

There’s 70 ish furries in my division

Out of 913

[opaque island]

what does their sexual/gender orientation have to do with maintaining an OS System?

[spare talon]

that is a staggering ratio compared to many other industries though

[stone fern]

thats several orders of magnitude higher than average

[stone fern]

it makes them better

programming socks are real

[paper harness]

Not one is actually mission critical

Mostly Ada system engineers

[stone fern]

dorn is getting converted slowly

he just doesnt know it yet

[opaque island]

should i stick with quickflame or go a diff blessing?

[paper harness]

I will feed you to the data destruction shredders

[stone fern]

you say that but you're prolly too busy counting furries

[north sedge]

overpressure or pen flames

[stone fern]

how the fuck does anyone know this?

either we have a dorn's list situation

or its gonna be 71

[opaque island]

yea why are you counting?

[paper harness]

It is my job to monitor slack

[spare talon]

GOD
GET THESE TWINKS OUT OF MY GAME

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136292421211258932/1287608438788063282/GIF_20240922_215420_334.gif?ex=670fd40e&is=670e828e&hm=4ad2733cdd1912e99383d561034549d6a676cdce8f31b265405d97c7f2c01416&

[stone fern]

HES A JANNY

[frosty herald]

Hulkenberg my beloved

[paper harness]

I said shred

[stone fern]

I was a janitor once tbh

i salute you

[paper harness]

VP janny

[frosty herald]

Fuck cleaning toilets

Some people smell rancid after using one

[paper harness]

The higher you progress at rtx, the worse your job becomes

I had to fill out 16 renewals for clearances today

[frosty herald]

Also needes to clean the toilet brush holders

[paper harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1284620687012659200/4x-2.gif

I love 200 page documents

[placid fiber]

This is most certainly a room lol

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[stone fern]

more like

delete 200 trillion lines of "asdasdsad" some dude let his kid post on general

[spare talon]

oh this reminded me theres a document ive not yet signed

lmao

i should do that

[median steeple]

Found the slacker

[stone fern]

tfw had 5 hours to write one email............

[paper harness]

I don’t allow work devices home

[stone fern]

tfw gonna take 5 more

[paper harness]

There’s no reason to remote work

[stone fern]

ok mien fuhrer

[stone fern]

people have families

[paper harness]

As in you literally can’t access critical data from home

The office is a scif

[naive stirrup]

shouldn't be able to to begin with

[violet hornet]

Revoke all access to the data

[stone fern]

if they dont pay you enough to be a single earner household they cant ban remote work

[paper harness]

You can’t leave premises with computers

[violet hornet]

Not even the systems that rely on it can access, totally secure

[paper harness]

If a device touches a controlled network once, it becomes classified itself

[violet hornet]

Like blessing localizations in darktide

[violet hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-tree-in-the-tree-part-of-the-tree-cute-gif-17500205

[paper harness]

I have to drive a few hours to go to the nearest scif from me twice a week

[violet hornet]

As long as you are paid for that time I do not see the problem

[paper harness]

I get paid to sit and read the same 10 emails every 15 mins

https://tenor.com/view/man-trying-to-kil-himself-joke-fake-suicide-laughing-suicide-fake-jumping-gif-150330258641611340

[violet hornet]

This could be any IT job tho lol

[undone pewter]

Same brother

[remote lark]

@paper harness
~164 toughness build
y = 100-(((x*7.5)/77)*100)
Y = tdr requirement
X = the amount of kills required to do so

gl getting to the exact tdr

but theoretically this is it

[placid fiber]

tfw you absolutely bully a boss in a game... I just absolutely destroyed the armos statues this time lol

[spare talon]

i get paid 1/80th of the amount to tell someone for the 50th time that i cant accept a return from 3 years ago

[remote lark]

it assumes you take the 7.5 regen talent

[opaque island]

which perk do i ahve thats giving me stam when i get shot at?

[paper harness]

You don’t have to deal with HR

[remote lark]

a chart like this would be useful for weapons like xv that can take that toughness regeneration blessing

ill make one for that specifically

[paper harness]

Or multiple corpo bureaucrats wanted literal magic to happen

Hmm yes

[fleet zealot]

momentum blessed xv 😴 😴 😴

[spare talon]

true, i deal with corporates delusions passed on through 5 layers of useless leadership tho

[paper harness]

I can rub my hands together and find a new corporate jet capable of moving missiles

[spare talon]

im certain those people live in a fantasy world

[paper harness]

Actual request btw

Hmm yes

Very smart

[undone pewter]

Man I just write quotes for PCB testing machines your work sounds awful in comparison.

Though I have to deal with moronic sales guys soo...

[remote lark]

cole mk4 dclaw single target?
pa h2 spam?

or

errr

pa h1

[spare talon]

PA on mk4 is actually terrible

it sucks so bad

[paper harness]

I have to deal with multiple militaries as well

Worst part

O7s wanting me to clap my hands once and their extremely sensitive radar to be fixed instantly

[spare talon]

a less conventional single target method is sprint canceling the h1, or whatever canceling you like to do

[undone pewter]

How many times can a sales guy send you the same document when you ask for more information

So far I'm on 6 in 2 weeks.

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246600784272166934/1273023221418954772/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_replay_2024.03.04-14.42_-_Trim_-_Trim.mp4?ex=670f8083&is=670e2f03&hm=1f090e9a8bab1ce83c8edb679c86102657b4a9a9b859d673f88d5735b4517257&

[paper harness]

That one was because some dipshit dropped a wrench onto the panel

[slender belfry]

Holla

[spare talon]

otherwise you have 2 options for single target which is h1 l2 loop, or just heavy spam

not the most effective single target, but braindead easy so you can pay more attention to when you can pull off a parry

[remote lark]

h1 qq seems most reliable

[slender belfry]

I’m trying some auric mael storm

Dam that wild

[paper harness]

cursed build time me thinks

[placid fiber]

tfw you enter a room and there's like... 20 rats...

[paper harness]

book thammer recon lasgun

[paper harness]

rat click irl

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-gif-25786623

[paper harness]

testing book non crit weapons

[plush estuary]

and he calls me a pedo when I use hammer

hmm

https://tenor.com/view/tulip-snake-lethal-company-meme-flower-snake-lethal-gif-4934095674208557478

[placid fiber]

It was like the sequel to ratatouille, but, with a link to the past graphics lol

[native elk]

What are some current funny/meta builds with Zealot?

I know a while back it was the 95% DR with knife bleed.

That was kinda silly.

[paper harness]

there goes my win streak lmao

loaded into 3 trash players

[frosty herald]

That was launch back in the day

[paper harness]

rare trauma psyker W? i also hate blessed trappers

[opaque island]

how can you tell? also shouldnt you be trying to clutch

not typing

[paper harness]

2 instant quits

[spare talon]

blessed dogs are worse imo

[opaque island]

rip

[paper harness]

5 wound ogryns

[spare talon]

no stagger unless theyre pouncing
when they have an affinity for point blank pounces

so they just teleport on top of you

[paper harness]

my funny book build owned instantly by one green trapper

[south grove]

2 smykers in my lobby

[marble tinsel]

Is combat ability regen any good for the third perk slot on tirnkets

[south grove]

never

never ever ever take CDR for combat ability

[marble tinsel]

damb

what would you reccommend on the third perk I'm running stamina regen atm

[sterile basalt]

Did y’all know that in-game damage tables’ stagger values are completely off from what the actual stagger values are

[south grove]

I run stam gen too

then again I run 3 stam curios, stam regen, sprint eff

[paper harness]

bruh

[south grove]

am I missing block eff too?

mb gang

[opaque island]

what do you NEED that much stamina for?

[marble tinsel]

okay so now I don't know if stamina regen is good or if he's schizo posting

[paper harness]

that is why he takes so much damage

[south grove]

swapped sprint eff to toughness recently

[sterile basalt]

Bro is rocking 24 effective stamina for sprinting

[south grove]

I know I'd be more effective with it later

[remote lark]

is dcalw cleave capped

[south grove]

but rn I'm back to 2 toughness 1 stam

[remote lark]

like the xv

[sterile basalt]

No

There’s no damage-target cap on it

[paper harness]

you wont

[south grove]

not schizoposting, I just like stamina

[sterile basalt]

Stamina regen is generally good

But zealot has really good stamina regen rate by default

[marble tinsel]

thanks!

[marble tinsel]

Is there something you'd recommend over it?

[visual stream]

Unfortunately stam regen doesn't change how long it takes for you to start regenerating stamina but yeah it can be good

[remote lark]

stam regen is really good on weapons taht spam pa

like knife

[sterile basalt]

Toughness, health, gunner resist, sniper resist, etc

[paper harness]

9 stamina is a meme build that does not work

[rotund shoal]

tintin likes dying a lot

[paper harness]

unless you speedrun or lock in knife only

[sterile basalt]

It kind of doesn’t matter that much because you’re reliant on regen delay (which this doesn’t change)

[frosty herald]

@rocky nacelle I need a second coming skin for ssj broly

[sterile basalt]

It only changes regen rate, not regen delay

[visual stream]

3 stam curios is crazy work

Brother loves blocking

[remote lark]

i mean it affects how long you have to wait before you can pa spam again from full stam

its not insignificant

[rotund shoal]

its for push attacks

[visual stream]

Just as VT2 devs intended

[rotund shoal]

also blocking to an extent

but the push attack spam is the only reason

otherwise just run block efficiency

[south grove]

it's a bad habit since I first started

will probably wean off of it eventually

[rotund shoal]

cica made you wean off

[marble tinsel]

is toughness regen (i know it's coherency) any good on zealot?

[rotund shoal]

but as soon as hes not here to abuse you

you go back to your ways

[sterile basalt]

Sprint efficiency is good on veteran & ogryn, but for zealot u kinda don’t need it, especially if u play desperation

[rotund shoal]

nah

[sterile basalt]

There’s no case where toughness regen is good

Except niche scenarios with ogryn, but I think you’re better off with with gunner resist & extra toughness there still

[marble tinsel]

already running max health and toughness, just asking about the third option

[paper harness]

gunner resist

[marble tinsel]

thankies

[remote lark]

btw if you take desperation and NO stam regen, you can spam PA l2 l3 on knife and it'll have better horde clear than pa spam and waiting for stamina to regen
l2 on head will oneshot chaff

cause you'll have 100% uptime on the desperation buff

[obsidian ore]

but I can dodge every single gunner shot every single game ever why would I need gooner resistance

[paper harness]

you are a gooner

[obsidian ore]

I've never taken a single point of damage from gunners

[sterile stone]

Posting mid again I see

Smh

[frosty herald]

WHAT

This slander

[sterile stone]

Asking for a Broly skin

But not Hercule

Gotta be peak mid

[frosty herald]

Bro wants that receding hairline hercule from gt to feel represented

I get it brother

[sterile stone]

I'm just sayin bruh

Bro takes skill to use

[fleet zealot]

don't you want stam regen with desperation tho?

[sterile stone]

May aswell let people style why doin it

[frosty herald]

I got my cheeks clapped by para

Im washed

[sterile stone]

We already knew this

[naive stirrup]

[sterile stone]

Bro been in for too many cycles

That floor staring simulator was too real

Get this man some water

[south grove]

detox was hell

never again

[vapid sun]

Just had a boss maelstrom, no weakened bosses for 5 minutes, then 4 chaos spawn all at once

[frosty herald]

Istg someone hold these lightskins back

[south grove]

I need stam to flow through my veins again

[paper harness]

drop the stamina curios or stop asking for carries

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

Got live footage of your match

[frosty herald]

I beat bros ass with base cabba

[sterile stone]

Lemme see the clip

[south grove]

I'm doing 2 toughness 1 stam

[rotund shoal]

on knife?

[south grove]

works better

[south grove]

everything

mostly dclaw though

[remote lark]

no

[merry flume]

3VEG who wants it

[remote lark]

desperation only gets triggered at 0 stam
if you have stam regen too high doing PA > l2 > l3 you'll end your PA with like 3% stam and wont get the buff refresh

and since the horde clear combo revolves around staying at 0 stam stam regen is a wasted slot on curio

[merry flume]

wow look at you

you sound like you actually know how to play the game now

[remote lark]

speak for yourself

i was new, didn't mean i was dumb

[merry flume]

pov me playijng the game

[fleet zealot]

yes so you take no +3 stam and you take stam regen to get stam back after hitting zero but i didn't know the 3% breakpoint rip

[sterile stone]

They really weaponized the florida homeless population

[fleet zealot]

cause it's like what a 5 second buff?

[remote lark]

stam regen doesn't affect how long it takes to start regenerating stamina

it only affects regen speed

and since you can pa at 1% stam that doesn't matter at all

but if you do take stam regen you can dodge once per combo without screwing up your push attack

so dealers choice

that'll help you proc riposte and other blessings

so maybe you're right

[slate void]

Does Thy Wrath Be Swift's stun prevention stop you from getting knocked out of charged attacks

[remote lark]

yes saul

[paper harness]

damage taken

[marble tinsel]

prevents you from getting knocked out of anything tbh

[paper harness]

post build curios

[south grove]

alr

[slate void]

sweet
trying to build around Thunder Hammer

[south grove]

x2

[remote lark]

post build if you want

[visual stream]

I think one of the only things that can still stun you is when a scab bomber grenade blows up when you're standing on it

[south grove]

I really rely on push attacking so that's why I always tend to like stamina

[visual stream]

What perks and blessings you got?

[remote lark]

whats max stacks of skullcrusher

[paper harness]

then you are pa too much

[fleet zealot]

8

[south grove]

yeh

working on it

[remote lark]

can someone explain this the wording is confusing me

[south grove]

damage ended up being high may or may not be because I have 11% dodge on the weapon I'm running rn

[spare talon]

1 +3 stam with some stam regen and you should never have stam issues ever again even if you spam PAs quite often

[south grove]

which weapon is this

[remote lark]

dclaw, looking at its blessings

i see no difference between these two

[spare talon]

if you still have issues with this, then you have a real proble

[fallen drum]

question, does martyr's purpose work exactly as it says on the tin? I need to take damage to trigger it?

[remote lark]

other than stacking

[slate void]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4110d0-1b2e-4807-a21a-f53ba4fe0a16/thunder-hammer-5?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[remote lark]

i think it works on toughness damage but i could be wrong

[spare talon]

health damage

[remote lark]

o

:(

[fallen drum]

oof

[paper harness]

useless

[fallen drum]

that... that sucks

[remote lark]

i just wanna know how it works

[south grove]

don't use it

[remote lark]

worst talent in game

[fallen drum]

after hearing that I'm damn well not lol

[remote lark]

x d

its useful in like

one scenario

[spare talon]

move martyrs purpose to the other keystone talent node

[remote lark]

if you take until death / holy rev the chip damage you take makes it somewhat useful in a marty build

but like

it still sucks

i'd put that 1 point anywhere else

[spare talon]

also take punishment and move it to duellist

[fallen drum]

if i asked for a build centered around the bolt pistol and the thunder hammer would yall be willing to assist?

[slate void]

Invoc of Death?

[spare talon]

what

[south grove]

turns out I won't hate evis as much as I thought it would

I just didn't like mk15

[paper harness]

post build tintin...

[south grove]

same with ironhelm

[slate void]

What's the other ketstone talent node

you mean Maniac?

[south grove]

idk what to run for evis so I ended up using my IJ build

I'm not really familiar with making builds yet :( sorry

[fleet zealot]

yes

maniac is amazing

attack speed is amazing

very good stat

layers of offense

[slate void]

On Thunder Hammer?

[remote lark]

you can take shroud instead of the dash if you wanna onetap bosses for some memes, TH does crazy boss damage even post nerf, onetaps burgles on damnation and other bosses on lower difficulties
@fallen drum

This is my th + bolt pistol build

[paper harness]

post all your builds tintin...

[south grove]

sorry :(

[fallen drum]

tyvm i shall read it over

[south grove]

and the other one is a piety build

[remote lark]

but shroud is kind of a joke unless you use it to cheese obj

x d

[modern lintel]

@rocky nacelle

@frosty herald

[sterile stone]

Beat me to it

[frosty herald]

Badass truck

[sterile stone]

Was about to ping yams

[sterile stone]

Aye where's that clip of you winning with cabba

I ain't forget

[paper harness]

So what do you go down to

[sterile stone]

[fallen drum]

is matyrdom a meme build or actually viable

[south grove]

#zealot-class message
#zealot-class message

[remote lark]

the extra tooltip mod just doesn't work at all right now

sad

[violet hornet]

it's a legitimate build

[remote lark]

martyrdom is fire but only if you're good enough to not get hit
so much fun, i love carpal tunnel

[fallen drum]

looks really risky to play in higher difficulties

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom just doesn't have cdr otherwise it's the best melee dps option besides for weapons with really high finesse

[paper harness]

I think marty is a meme because you are shit out of luck on clutch revives

[remote lark]

shroud marty

[stone fern]

just clutched a game by running to the elevator, waiting for my ult in the airlock and pressing F twice

[remote lark]

:^)

[copper hawk]

I run a tness curio and 2 wounds w my marty build

[stone fern]

im so fkin zazed

[misty nova]

That's the fun part

[north sedge]

marty is good

[slate void]

Martyrdom is great because I get hit a lot

[copper hawk]

I hate chip damage

[stone fern]

bro has marty with zero damage

look at him

[remote lark]

martyr dom gives you ALOT of 100% uptime tdr and attack speed and damage
dorns right you just can't revive people unless you take or relic for some reason 💀

[paper harness]

what are you eating damage from

[remote lark]

i've had single digit damage taken games with martyr

[fleet zealot]

i have had 0 damage taken martyr games

like a dumbass

[violet hornet]

I found it to be kinda sluggish but it does offer a lot of resistance to make up for needing to live with a bee's dick worth of health

[south grove]

lemme check

[copper hawk]

Tintin runs stamina curios

[stone fern]

you can not revive without stamina curios

or revive speed

[copper hawk]

So his char is weak and frail

[modern lintel]

me switching off martydom but forgetting all the curios

[remote lark]

its also not as unsafe as it seems
until death / holy rev let you get away with alot

[stone fern]

or block effi

[fallen drum]

yeah i need mys tamina curios

i dont like to live without em

[paper harness]

does he run 3 of them#

[remote lark]

you're strong enough to survive your until death cd if you get hit alot

[visual stream]

I would personally path through throwing knives for second wind and so you have more points to spare for other changes, such as taking off MP like the others said for the IoD or for getting sustained assault. Would also remove good balance as second wind helps a ton with survivability and you won't need it imo

[stone fern]

im serious

[visual stream]

I personally don't run PtU either but it's nice to have so no comment there

[stone fern]

i stopped reviving after i went from 2 wound 1 stam marty to 3 wound marty

[stone fern]

id do better clearing the elites and letting the vet/ogryn revive

[south grove]

I suffer a lot from gunfire when I don't run more stam curios

[copper hawk]

Slide

Dodge

[north sedge]

toughness helps you alot more

[stone fern]

and after sliding

[copper hawk]

Ur using inexorsble

[stone fern]

you have to stop to revive

[south grove]

the problem is I'm PAing a lot

[stone fern]

and pray that the gunners had agro on the guy you're reviving

[south grove]

runs out of stamina too fast

[copper hawk]

Dont do that

[south grove]

yea

[copper hawk]

Do normal attacks

[stone fern]

no

[south grove]

I'm doing more normal attacks now

[stone fern]

me like push attacks

[copper hawk]

I never oush attack

Like mostly never

Unless I run desperation

[stone fern]

im push attacking u rn

[copper hawk]

Or the push attack is a strikedown

Noob id dodge

[fallen drum]

welp time to take this build for a spin

[rotund shoal]

but i want to top dps

[north sedge]

if i push attack its because im on crusher

[copper hawk]

Im 2 lithe and fast 4 u

[fallen drum]

and its instant failed the emperor

[paper harness]

why are you spamming push attack....

[rotund shoal]

/j

[copper hawk]

Only other time I push attack I'm waiting for my dodges 2 refresh

[modern lintel]

stepbro y r u push attacking me

[copper hawk]

Refresh*

[south grove]

shovel adms is ingrained in my head

trying not to do as much now

[paper harness]

even with shovel

[paper harness]

you do not pa that much...

[copper hawk]

Honestly it could ge getting you killed

You're not killing anything

Haaai meow :3

[hard nexus]

hai

im so

rotted

rn

[south grove]

I'll try not to

it's definitely a bad habit

[paper harness]

what kind of fucked habits did you develop

[visual stream]

When the wrath is SWIFT

[rotund shoal]

he started with mk6 knife

where pa loop is the thing

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-yhk-among-twerk-among-us-twerk-gif-23335803

[paper harness]

....

Nade moment

[south grove]

to be fair I got a really good one

and I thought using it would be nice

[south grove]

that was before itemsation so I've used it quite a bit

but I mainly run dclaw 4 before that knife

[paper harness]

so gunners and flamers

[south grove]

yep

[paper harness]

wrong mark of knife and dclaw

pro tip

dodge slide gunners

run at an angle towards gunners

[copper hawk]

IV is fine

Cole uses it

[paper harness]

slide towards gunners

[copper hawk]

I prefer its horde clear

And h1 strikedown

[stone fern]

dorn and his off meta marks

mk4 is peak

[south grove]

alr alr

[stone fern]

idc

[south grove]

I'll try this round

[south grove]

couldn't choose the mark back then

[stone fern]

whatever mark dorn says to use substract 3 from its number

[paper harness]

you should not try you should be doing

[spare talon]

FATSHARK
GIVE ME SI SHOVEL ON ZEALOT AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[south grove]

I wanted a mk3 but I got a 6

[south grove]

okayyyyy

[copper hawk]

Shopel

[south grove]

what do I run with evis

[stone fern]

thrust 4 with pick
7000 damage

ok

[south grove]

I've been using a bolter but idk what's good with it

[visual stream]

Ironhelm

[stone fern]

bolter is so fuckin peak

i love bolter

[spare talon]

but is that a shovel

[south grove]

no I mean I'm running evis and using boltgun

idk what goes well with evis

[visual stream]

Oh okay

[stone fern]

err i meant shovel special the pick attack

[visual stream]

Yeah beats me then

I'm sure bolter still a decent pick

[copper hawk]

@hard nexus

Tintin noob

[paper harness]

Tintin very noob

[spare talon]

idc about the folding shovels
i want standard issue

[copper hawk]

U literally play w the evis priestess

[paper harness]

We should groom him correctly

[copper hawk]

Just ask her

[hard nexus]

which mk

[south grove]

3

[rotund shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/iodadance-gif-3213147622648570494

[south grove]

I don't like 15

[hard nexus]

crit evis takes perfect strike and shred, flak elites

[copper hawk]

Gooner*

[hard nexus]

non crit takes savage sweep rampage flak elites

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752156106071081021/1200653623802216508/gufjdhd.gif

[hard nexus]

i can give u my builds if youd like

[stone fern]

its tru dorn groomed me into playing rashad

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-gooning-gym-smoking-nevergoon-gif-16345362028907877022

[south grove]

what ranged weapon should I use

[hard nexus]

evis does everything, so its your choice, but i take a flamer

[paper harness]

Agri brauto goes well on IJ

[copper hawk]

Shredder autopistol actually

[spare talon]

agri brauto goes well on anything that does mid-good armor damage

[copper hawk]

W powderburn and blaze away

[hard nexus]

actually ripper gun

[copper hawk]

Perk crit at range and weakspot damage

Dumpstat is damage

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/what-whatd-huh-confused-lost-gif-13055027

[stone fern]

dump stat this dik

[merry flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1295560315974451230/1283790438544834630.gif

[south grove]

alr I gotta get the mastery points then

[paper harness]

Why did you fall into a push attack mindset that badly this early in

Did you start with knife day 1 and follow some shitter content creator

[south grove]

no

[hard nexus]

take this

[south grove]

I played without watching any tutorial at all in the beginning

[copper hawk]

Wrong side of piety btw

[paper harness]

No purge the unclean I sleep

[copper hawk]

:3

[south grove]

I just did whatever I thought I was fun

never thought to do well

[stone fern]

this is tru and based

[copper hawk]

Also no bleed on crit

No scourge

Blood redemption

I snooze

[paper harness]

You are now uprising boy

[copper hawk]

I slumber

[copper hawk]

I cucumber

[hard nexus]

@south grove

take this

i misclicked on scourge

[spare talon]

YOU FUCKED IT UP AGAIN

[hard nexus]

I REALIZED THAT

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

[hard nexus]

:(

[copper hawk]

Fail

Faaail

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850672089118933012/1265148909941166131/gamingglorpslam.gif

[copper hawk]

Wolp fail..

[stone fern]

switch bp upgrade side and put the second point into desperation or good balance

[copper hawk]

This is GLORPshit..

[hard nexus]

no.

[stone fern]

yes

do it now

[hard nexus]

no.

[paper harness]

Imma have to rush out my defensive basics just for tintin

[spare talon]

desperation only for crusher

[stone fern]

you need to toughness dr max

[copper hawk]

I run desp w evis

[stone fern]

NOW

[spare talon]

never on any other weapon

[paper harness]

Fuqq my kappachungus life

[spare talon]

never say this again

[stone fern]

its nice tho

[paper harness]

No

[stone fern]

its free easy to get damage

[paper harness]

[rotund shoal]

how much should i be h2>l3 looping on knife

[spare talon]

at the cost of your best defensive resource

[stone fern]

ok cole ur right

i will take desperation off

[rotund shoal]

vs just special light > heavy

[stone fern]

and put the last point into martyr's purpose

thank u cole

[spare talon]

crusher is fine with it cuz crusher is crusher and CCs everything, and its push attacks are goated

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850672089118933012/1265148909941166131/gamingglorpslam.gif

[hard nexus]

evis too

evis mk3 horde clear is PA light

[stone fern]

mk3?

[spare talon]

i dont use evis so idk
poopoo weapon

[stone fern]

whats an mk3 evi

[hard nexus]

wha

[stone fern]

SAY ITS NAME

[spare talon]

the mk3 and mk15

[stone fern]

blocked

its mk2 and mk15

idc

[copper hawk]

Clad is so noob it hurts..

[stone fern]

IDC DONT @ ME

[spare talon]

it changed to mk3

you are wrong

[south grove]

wait wait wait

[stone fern]

no it didnt

[south grove]

I remember now

[stone fern]

idc

[south grove]

I started on controller

[stone fern]

I DONT CARE

NONE OF THE NAMES CHANGED

you're all blocked

[rotund shoal]

stage 1 is denial

[stone fern]

and muted

[rotund shoal]

its taking you a long time

[stone fern]

and banned

[rotund shoal]

i think youre hitting anger now

[stone fern]

fuck you john

[rotund shoal]

yep

[stone fern]

germany is a mutual combat state

[paper harness]

Fuck my kappachungus life

[stone fern]

ill go there

[rotund shoal]

im 6'4 blonde and huge muscles and tits

[paper harness]

You will just turn clad on

[rotund shoal]

My goal exactly

[stone fern]

im brown

[rotund shoal]

Kill by nosebleed

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-brown-brown-black-saudia-arabia-blm-gif-21420652

[stone fern]

ill just say lies about u

[paper harness]

Shh heresy exemplar

[slender belfry]

Holla

Any tip for auric maelstorm survival tile my brother ?

[paper harness]

Dodge

[plush estuary]

Dont die

[rotund shoal]

Dorn can you answer the mk3 question if you would be so kind
I am confused in which situations i should be going for h2>l3 loop vs heavy > special light etc.
it doesnt feel so much of a difference to me except one takes more setup
there is a slight dps difference sure
should i just be going for the more dps loop if i can? switching back to the easier combo if i cant? or what is the logic

[stone fern]

play the easier maelstroms

[south grove]

I'm taking a lot less damage now

[stone fern]

I did like 2 normal ones it was ok but i cheesed the rest by doing bubble psyker into ranged maelstrom/trauma into scab melee and thammer into monsters

its not very hard

[remote lark]

does skullcrusher proc on stagger or on hit if the enemy is staggered

[hushed knoll]

Oh hi tints

Tints

[paper harness]

Special light heavy optimal dps

[hushed knoll]

Tints

Tints

God dammit

Tin tin

There we go

[paper harness]

Follow up

[spare talon]

try not to do anything stupid, im not trying to meme here
assess a situation and if theres a decent chance something can go wrong, dont do that, cuz it likely will
that seems obvious but its important to actively think about it

[spare talon]

its on both iirc

[remote lark]

wdym

[rotund shoal]

so i was doing the heavy light looping for nothing?

well thats good

at least i dont have to do it anymore

[spare talon]

staggering an enemy AND hitting them when theyre staggered both add stacks

[paper harness]

[remote lark]

ah

[north sedge]

tints

[stone fern]

i think dorn means for single target damage heavy light looping is better for clear no?

[fleet zealot]

i love new dms

i love encouraging them

[rotund shoal]

light spam for hordes

[fleet zealot]

i love having to try to tone them down when they wanna give me 4d8 scythe

[hushed knoll]

HI DOUGH

[fleet zealot]

instead of just like, idk a +2 scythe

[paper harness]

Just light spam for hc

It’s that simple

[stone fern]

[slender belfry]

Do i need to play 5 auric maelstorm in a row or st

[stone fern]

i already play rashad i dont need more brain damage

[placid fiber]

Holy fuck, fusing the kinstone I just did rewarded me with 400 bucks!

[stone fern]

oh yeah

also @slender belfry play marty zealot

[slender belfry]

Or can i play like
Maelstrom - normal auric- maelstorm

[mental lance]

is headhunter autogun its own category?

[stone fern]

very tanky and you can go down

more than once

[paper harness]

Go read ogryn chat earlier where they advocated for fucking coherency regen

[fleet zealot]

they are now the VAGs

vanguard

[mental lance]

ty!

[stone fern]

you can not pay me to do that

[slender belfry]

Thank man i’ll try it

[fleet zealot]

also don't confused VAG with VIAG (vraks infantry autogun)

[stone fern]

wait

[mental lance]

im already confused

[paper harness]

Vagina

[mental lance]

lmao

[stone fern]

@paper harness like for gunlugger or all ogryn builds?

[paper harness]

All ogryn builds

[stone fern]

but what about gunner and sniper resist

or hp

[paper harness]

The ogrynomicon and its consequences

[remote lark]

wait different dclaws have diff parry hitboxes

[stone fern]

or toughness

[remote lark]

wtf

[placid fiber]

cough as someone who uses marty I am insulted that you are saying that about it... it may be true, due to more wounds, but both you and I know going down usually means a wipe meaning those extra downs = nada >_>

[stone fern]

hey hey HEY

yes

BUT

[merry flume]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iSFBmRqOktvHIB8f0?invite=cr-MSxZNngsMjcyMzU5MjU1LA

[stone fern]

yeah...

[stone fern]

i would leave the game tbh

[fleet zealot]

AVAG vs AVIAG

god i love fatshark

[mental lance]

okay gotcha ty

[paper harness]

He can’t

[fallen drum]

welp i have officially fallen in love with TH

[fleet zealot]

making the acronyms fucking hilarious

[placid fiber]

I have a new course I'm teaching. Randos 101. 1st thing to teach is Randos = nothing. Meaning put 0 stock or thought into them doing anything. >_>'

[fleet zealot]

ehehehehe

[placid fiber]

For the rest of the course it will be a cheap cost of an easy 33 and 1/4 payments of 5000 melk bucks.

[stone fern]

i have 40k melkbucks

i dont need em u can have them

[placid fiber]

Sorry that you can't afford the dirt cheap course, then.

[stone fern]

i dont even want the course

u can just have them

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/i-told-you-about-the-stairs-i-warned-you-about-the-stairs-stairs-i-told-you-gif-21854458

[stone fern]

melk is dead to me

so is brunt

and hadron

i just play the game now

[placid fiber]

I mean with that much melk bucks... I could use it to get weapons to sell for dockets and plasteel... too bad u can't give me any of it xD

[fallen drum]

So, for the bolt pistol, I know puncture is a good blessing but what other blessing should I put on it? Not a fan of surgical

[potent venture]

Guy i want to know why las pistol is the zealot weapon?

[spare talon]

in this game i took a shit on a date that is divisible by 5
therefore i gained +1 to my luck stat
yknow, cuz you obviously would, who doesnt know that

[rotund shoal]

unironically i think this is how luck works in real life

[potent venture]

Someone tell me las pistols is good on zealot anyone know why?

[fleet zealot]

the zealot weapon? no

but it's mobile, it hits good at mid and close range, it's accurate at long range

doesn't require investment like an infantry lasgun

[south grove]

I fucked up with ragers this time

but didn't take as much damage with anything else

[pale spindle]

yo for CA what do yall run?

[potent venture]

Someone tell me it better on zealots then the other class u know why?

[pale spindle]

for talents

[remote lark]

maybe i'm wrong but i REALLY think that skullcrusher dev strike piety dclaw could be viable @spare talon
it has decent cleave and more impact than it should for a onehanded sword, making skullcrusher viable
also, rampage/shred SUCKS at clearing mixed hordes or bruiser hordes
if you take grevious wounds, parrying a crusher staggers it like 100% of the time, and giving you time for a heavy to apply all 8 stacks of skullcrusher

skullcrusher dstrike piety:
7 hits on avg to clear a 20 mob chaff horde
11 hits on avg kill a 20 mob bruiser horde
9 hits on avg to kill a 10/10 mixed horde
5 parry > heavy to kill a crusher

rampage shred IJ:
7 hits on avg to clear a 20 mob chaff horde
30 hits on avg to clear a 20 mob bruiser horde
17 hits on avg to clear 10/10 mixed horde
5 parry > heavy to kill a crusher

what makes skullcrusher so terrible?
a 1 point investment to clear hordes twice as fast with a diff build doesn't seem that bad

[stone fern]

ehhh i have 1-3 of each melee i like and ~4 of brauto/bolter/infantry auto gun/revolver

i dont think zealot needs anything

[south grove]

@paper harness

didn't do well this match

fucked up with a trapper and running into a horde of rager without dodges

[fleet zealot]

because vets prefer recons and inflas and helbores, and psykers prefer recons

[south grove]

I'll try again and see what happens

[fleet zealot]

neither of them want a side arm as their ranged option for builds

[south grove]

piety?

alr alr

[remote lark]

@paper harness

i spent like an hour and a half in psych and boss damage is like the only thing that marginally suffers

.-.

rampage's damage on paper looks nice but you only get to see it when clearing hordes, dstrike /skullcrusher just clears hordes straight faster if you take piety, and you kill crushers just as quickly

so what's the deal

[paper harness]

you str etonh

: )

[remote lark]

what

[rotund shoal]

(rampage is power not dmg btw)

[paper harness]

what the fuck

Power is also damage