zealot-class

[south grove]

idk

[rocky nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na2opArGY

[acoustic dune]

no psychodelic jpop

maybe i should go to ikea to go eat there

mmh

https://open.spotify.com/track/4MWbdJ7EVqiTKiue1RcRdQ?si=1bc803736d904708

[misty nova]

And Persona Q
With press turn

[south grove]

yes

I'm going there w/ my gf this weekend

she loves buying plushies there

swing and a miss

[acoustic dune]

you should get a good after buying 20

(i buy in bulk)

[south grove]

no I got a good one already

just going through and scrapping

[acoustic dune]

why dont you just

filter it out

favorite the one you like

and filter it out

[south grove]

I'm beginning to feel like a rap god

[acoustic dune]

enimem

[spare talon]

stylization, how time works, and characters/interactions are heavily persona based
the turn based combat system is straight up the press turn system from smt
plenty of things new to this game such as actual real time combat, like you see in that video, and the thing that gives your party members abilities are from a sort of skill tree which allows every character to access all types or whatever, meaning you can actually change who has what abilities/setup, unlike smt where you swap the demon or persona where youre just stuck with whoever you have and their abilities

[rocky nacelle]

ok zutomayo did the dandadan ending

kino

[rotund shoal]

what kinda fetish is this

[acoustic dune]

the manga is finish?

[acoustic dune]

erm

uh

i can explain

dont look chat

[rocky nacelle]

no

[acoustic dune]

ah

[rocky nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEBp66VU3Ic

[acoustic dune]

ill prob have a read before touching the anime

[south grove]

dear slim: I want to fucking kill myself

[acoustic dune]

god music video type intro and credit are great

its peak cinema

[south grove]

should I do zealot next or psyker

I need to grind out weapons

[rotund shoal]

psyker

funnier

[acoustic dune]

yeah sure lets switch place

[south grove]

doing psyker

I need a good force sword

[acoustic dune]

is that you?

[south grove]

yeh

used to be a smyker

that name was a pun

[acoustic dune]

now all we need is a ogryn

[south grove]

I will never recover

[rotund shoal]

rashad axe you mean wolfer?

its bromentum headtaker

i think tacaxe was shred.. something

[south grove]

this is my only weapon

the other one is a grey force sword

[acoustic dune]

tac axe

gonna give it a try

[south grove]

bromentum

[acoustic dune]

i actually need to do combat axe instead

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

gotta grind that one

[south grove]

rashad rashad

hahahaha

[acoustic dune]

lets see how brainless this is

[rotund shoal]

very

if you dont top dmg this game im dissapointed

[south grove]

freak hunt freak hunt

!!!

[acoustic dune]

if i dont top

i am so gonna be happy

[south grove]

wallahi

we're finished

[spare talon]

lvl 28 with a barely modified melee
cut them some slack lmao

[rocky nacelle]

and its noobnoob of all people

quit being noob first

@south grove

https://tenor.com/view/smk_shut-up-noob-gif-22701496

[south grove]

I'm actually made of glass

what happened there

I need my stamina curios back

😭

[south grove]

sorry sir

[rocky nacelle]

apologize to the lvl 28 vet you're barely out performing

https://tenor.com/view/ryuji-goda-yakuza-kiwami2-ryu-ga-gotoku-gif-23275663

[south grove]

he's doing maelstrom with us

I died in the first 4 seconds and I'm still outscoring him

I don't know how

[acoustic dune]

urm dying in maelstrom????

thats cringe behaviour

[south grove]

you're bullying poor people

[acoustic dune]

have you tried

not being poor?

[vague depot]

whats that gear currency

[south grove]

I maxed out everything on vet right now, zealot is done except thammer and eviserator, psyker has nothing other than a CIAG, ogryn got 2 melees done

[vague depot]

ok but whats that gear currency

the one under dockets

[south grove]

melkoins?

they're melk coins

[vague depot]

oh cool what are they for

[south grove]

open melk up

[vague depot]

i forgot who melk was whoops

[south grove]

limited and mystery aquisitions

[vague depot]

ah ok

[south grove]

the weekly quest guy

[vague depot]

oh yea

[south grove]

@acoustic dune

[vague depot]

death

[acoustic dune]

idk who that is

[south grove]

they tried again

they're really persistent on making me join

[acoustic dune]

let them

we going damnation

if he dies

we kick in

[south grove]

they want ME to join his team

[acoustic dune]

oh

[south grove]

not the other way around

[acoustic dune]

join him and we join you

[vague depot]

decline and block is wild

[south grove]

I think I hurt his feelings

[acoustic dune]

wow tintin

making someone cry

[south grove]

I'm actually gonna go smyker

[acoustic dune]

not cool dude

[south grove]

I don't think I can survive on 2 base stamina

[acoustic dune]

you made jhon leave

[acoustic dune]

use the psycher block perk

iz nice

kinective deflection iz good

[south grove]

I'm running para's gunker build but without the assail

[acoustic dune]

then stop using sword

@remote sleet where you at

[rotund shoal]

im ready

wrote in chat laready

[acoustic dune]

you left the group

[rotund shoal]

o hit

[south grove]

who's this guy

[merry flume]

someone was talking about using tac axe the other day and honestly its kinda comfy

yeah its not mongo damage (it actually is) but it just works

kills feel fair, nothing really takes forever to kill except the occasional bulwark meme

[rocky nacelle]

taxe special can stunlock em tho

(if you snipe their heads, same with muties)

[paper harness]

One of us one of us

I really like pairing it with something like the bolter to instant kill annoying enemies (bulwarks)

[rocky nacelle]

i think the setup I made recently was taxe flamer

id have to get back on to see the tree though

[merry flume]

i have not ever used the bolter ever so maybe using both will be a fresh breath of air

[south grove]

it's warp res dump right

[rocky nacelle]

(its probably the same IJ build with crit CDR)

[south grove]

for scrier

[paper harness]

I just hate bulwarks

[merry flume]

well bolter really makes sense

cause tac axe and throwing knives can delete 99% of everything

[rocky nacelle]

oh I remembered

[opaque island]

you really gotta be concious of whats going on around you to use the bolter, pulling it out at the wrong time can end badly since its so slow

[rocky nacelle]

(Tknife cancel)

[paper harness]

Tknife cancel

[merry flume]

i wanna try something other than BM and headtaker though or shred it's so boring i want the new blessings to justify using them

[opaque island]

i pray for tknife supremacy to end, why is the answer always Tknife

i am going insane

[merry flume]

tknife is actually just broken good

[paper harness]

The new power on single target blessing kinda neat on bosses

[north sedge]

eh, use whatever you want

[visual stream]

Maybe it can stay powerful, just reduce how often you get it back

[merry flume]

yeah i guess that works but half the blessings feel like they don't work

when i can tell when headtaker is working, i can tell when BM is working

i can't really tell when shred's working but i never used it with tacaxe so idk

[rocky nacelle]

good meme

[merry flume]

why VII

i use 2 it's comfy

[rocky nacelle]

it was the first mark I picked

and i like its moveset

[merry flume]

o

[rocky nacelle]

out the box

ill try the other marks later

[paper harness]

Gambled correctly

[merry flume]

that's all the difference between them all right just the moveset

[rocky nacelle]

ye

(as far as I know)

[merry flume]

ill try it then

[paper harness]

https://tenor.com/view/hakari-hakari-kinji-kinji-hakari-kinji-jackpot-gif-12339332929838481118

[rocky nacelle]

I like its special 1

its a sideways shove

lmfao

[merry flume]

just waiting for my doordash then im gaming

[rocky nacelle]

its very good

[vague depot]

how does tac axe compare with combat axe

[rocky nacelle]

id say taxe is more if you wanna light spam

combat axe if you feel like chopping down 4 people at once

[south grove]

staller

[rocky nacelle]

(unless its rashad)

[south grove]

professional staller

no skills

or smth

I don't like him

[merry flume]

are there any axes in general that reward heavy spam

or at least mixed attacks

[south grove]

no

[merry flume]

smh

[vague depot]

what does rashad do

[south grove]

tac axe carapace damage is better on lights I think

lmfao

[rocky nacelle]

press M1 like a taxe but with the strength of a combat axe

(it can M1 and annihilate a rager pack)

[vague depot]

is that a good thing

ah

its a good thing

hows the horde clear though

[merry flume]

tool that has been used in long, drawn out arcs over tens of thousands of years

light attacks

[rocky nacelle]

Bromentum and HT is gonna be shitting on everything

[merry flume]

:)

[rocky nacelle]

if its 1 shotting 4 ragers with lights

you can imagine how it is in a normal horde clear

https://tenor.com/view/lumberjack-cut-wood-axe-chop-gif-5279230

[merry flume]

give bardin throwing axe

[vague depot]

oh thats crazy

[merry flume]

make it 40k ized and make it like

[acoustic dune]

you get 4 in total

[merry flume]

be on a chain or something

[vague depot]

so its a sweep attack light that can do enoug hdamage to kill multiple ragers?

[merry flume]

throwing axe thowing knife build

[rocky nacelle]

with a funny blessing called brutal momentum

yes

[vague depot]

thats wild

[south grove]

impact axe!

FOR ROCK AND STONE

[vague depot]

does the build you posted above also work with the rashad or is there a better option

[south grove]

you can cram rashad into any build

it's just that broken

[merry flume]

that build works for unironically any weapon zealot uses

[vague depot]

ah ok

[rocky nacelle]

crit weapon*

(I have scourge and ER)

but you can use this on a taxe/evisc/dueling sword/knife

yea its pretty stupid and pretty much generalist asf

[vague depot]

and something like this if its not crit?

[rocky nacelle]

yop

[vague depot]

alright thanks

[rocky nacelle]

thats my crusher build

[vague depot]

isnt the skill in the middle worth taking

[rocky nacelle]

except I take emperor's bullet over good balance

[vague depot]

or is cdr on crit just that good

[rocky nacelle]

CDR on crit lets you spam FOTF/chastise

which is where you'll be having attack speed from constantly

[vague depot]

nice

[rocky nacelle]

plus its not that bad on certain weapons to drop 10% attack speed

some feel it

some meh

(also IJ gives attack speed)

[vague depot]

what blessings and perks on thammer btw

[rocky nacelle]

flak/cara or flak/unyld

slaughterer thrust

or HT thrust

[vague depot]

oh about this do seperate "stacks" stack/refresh

like if i get 6 stacks and then use them and then i get another 2 stacks and use them too do i get 8 stacks or 2 overall

[rocky nacelle]

the other stacks dont get used

until the other ones are spent

you can see it in the buff bar

lets say I spend 8 stacks of momentum

[vague depot]

so it basically guarantees that I get perma 15 stacks in combat

[rocky nacelle]

for the duration I have 8 stacks of buffs from momentum

[vague depot]

thats cracked

[rocky nacelle]

I can just run around and stack for the next time I proc it

yea basically

esp with the poise

[vague depot]

got it

nice

[rocky nacelle]

yop

IJ broken

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-flaygel-left-the-world-sigma-vs-boy-war-gif-3565359896491425492

[vague depot]

how do i decide between slaughter or ht

[rocky nacelle]

preference

HT will be up if you wanna pre buff during a boss (cause you can stack it on the boss)

slaughterer is a bonus if a boss shows up right after a horde

even with thrust slaughterer and slaughterer not being up a crucis is more than capable of beating the brakes off a boss

I prefer slaughterer cause im a dmg maxxing tard

[vague depot]

alright

[sweet onyx]

god, im still trying to figure out zealot

both in what niche i can try to fill and like
how to make the thunder hammer work

[vague depot]

big game hunter

[rocky nacelle]

@frosty herald going over to a homeboys and they getting sparking zero

[vague depot]

oh yea what version of the thammer should i use

[rocky nacelle]

(I definitely wont pick Hit on my friends)

😇

[frosty herald]

pick chiaotzu

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/salto-hit-dbs-dragon-ball-gif-18528172

[sweet onyx]

whats the dif between them?

[vague depot]

i have no idea

[rocky nacelle]

crucis

[sweet onyx]

i dont have the other unlocked so it just looks like one does less damage

[vague depot]

crucis it is

[north sedge]

crucis special does more dmg, ironhelm special cleaves

[rocky nacelle]

ironhelm used to be the TH for skissued more general use players

but now that crucis got an overhead

its pretty much doing everything

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/sparking-zero-zamasu-slap-zamasu-slap-dragon-ball-gif-18407085026789500808

[rocky nacelle]

also what dough said

[vague depot]

whats the combos for horde clear and single target

[sweet onyx]

thunderhammer probably doesnt horde clear well, yeah?

[rocky nacelle]

heres a big surprise for you

crucis horde clear is

H1 and H2

ad infinitum

[sweet onyx]

oh
i also need to figure out my talents

[rocky nacelle]

and single target you special and hold M1 afterwards and it gives an overhead

[vague depot]

thats hilarious

[sweet onyx]

so far ive got the knives and the relic

[rocky nacelle]

good for sniping annoying enemies in hordes

also you can L1 with a crucis special

but I only do that when something is like "1 hp"

more times than not when you special it'll be for a charged overhead

which usually will kill whatever got hit by it

[north sedge]

nah lights can destroy stuff depending on the build

[rocky nacelle]

hm

id have to test it out sometime then

cause im not opposed to using crucis lights

I do like mk3 eviscerator cause it has ST lights

[north sedge]

they hit much harder now

especially if you're marty

[rocky nacelle]

oh why didnt I just think of marty

true

[misty spear]

is the crusher suppose to be bad or?

[paper harness]

4th best zealot weapon....

[north sedge]

crusher is great

[misty spear]

wonder why its 4th lol

[opal star]

who's slandering crusher in here

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-stare-meme-angry-gif-14312537171363175004

[misty spear]

3 business days to deliver a hit lol

[opal star]

nuh uh

[misty spear]

finna become a celerity stimm addict

[opal star]

it's.. about as fast as the evis or thammer

[north sedge]

crusher is not slow

[opal star]

also we have attack speed talents

[south grove]

someone doesn't like a good weapon!!!

[paper harness]

knife main detected

[south grove]

I like celerity stim for the extra stamina

idc about the rest

[opal star]

no med stim that's crazy

[paper harness]

no shit it is slow you have a bad build

Also kill all gluggers on sight

[misty spear]

I had to find one to make the crusher better but it still feels sluggish af

[spare talon]

depending on where you found it, it could still be a bad build

[misty spear]

most likely

[paper harness]

Piety only useful for finesse scaling weapons

[spare talon]

crusher works best with the standard fotf/ij build

[spare talon]

crushers crit damage still puts it in this catagory tho, despite it all

its one of the best non-finesse statted weapons to use on piety

on some attacks it actually has better single target crit scaling than shock maul, which is a finesse stat weapon

but in practice
the dodge buffs from IJ are just too nice to not use on crusher

[north sedge]

crusher just works on anything

[neat drum]

Personally I don't use like this for myself. But I really wish those people who bind tag to left click would use this instead

Played with someone who had it and is actually really good

It does what it says, it tags enemies

[misty spear]

Thunder Hammer seems more effective at killing specials than the crusher, at least from my experience

[peak flare]

BLELOTS

ironhelm/crucis

what do dont

[paper harness]

[peak flare]

ds bad

hi

[misty spear]

Thunder Hammer special actually doing something lmao

[north sedge]

crusheri s a combo weapon, hammer is big bonk

[obtuse stirrup]

just wondering, for the classic style of stealth knife zealot, is it better to just take duelling sword 4 now?

[north sedge]

crusher special is stagger does funny things like infinite cleave on lights

[misty spear]

is that all its good for is stagger?

[spare talon]

crusher special also has some great scaling against armor

[north sedge]

there is a guide in the pins for crusher, it's important to know what it's attacks are for

but crusher and hammer are just completely different weapons, not much reason to compare them

[misty spear]

is there a way to increase the attack speed of the crusher?

[north sedge]

talents

[misty spear]

sooner I master this weapon, sooner I can stop using it lol

[frosty herald]

Martyrdom chastice and the talent leading to martyr

[north sedge]

but look at the guide in the pins also

cause if you're just spamming attacks you are doing it wrong

[spare talon]

fotf is 20% attack speed
faithful frenzy is 10% attack speed
martyr atk speed is up to 24% when built properly
IJ is a reliable 15% attack speed

[paper harness]

would not say this is slow

[misty spear]

I'm using special then charge attack on Crushers and they barely react to it

takes at least 5 times to actually kill it

I just threw on Thrust

[rotund shoal]

what combo is that

[north sedge]

#zealot-class message

[rotund shoal]

i cant tell

[north sedge]

read that

[misty spear]

so it actually does damage

[north sedge]

please

[paper harness]

l1 spam

[hallow summit]

quick question sorry to interupt but what hammer do yall prefer

[dense field]

Do not use it like a thunderhammer

[spare talon]

crusher is not a thunderhammer

it is a combo weapon

[north sedge]

crucis for me

[spare talon]

you use it effectively by weaving combos of the attacks that best suit the situation

[paper harness]

oh no a weapon only does 800 damage a hit to carapace

[frosty herald]

Crusher is like a quarterstaff

[north sedge]

push attack light heavy dead crusher

[misty spear]

is that after you charge it?

[paper harness]

cc dump

[spare talon]

this actually would be dealing more damage if i lined up a push attack instead of another overhead

woulda been faster too

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[paper harness]

you are missing 25% attack speed

[misty spear]

So what should my build be since the one I got from a year old vid isnt it lol

[north sedge]

you also need to actually know how the crusher works as well, isnt just your build

[misty spear]

you already said that

[north sedge]

gonna keep saying it!

[misty spear]

okay

[paper harness]

Please read how the talent tree works

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3088553235

[rocky nacelle]

@frosty herald

[pale spindle]

Crusher

[rocky nacelle]

cinema spotted

[misty spear]

Crucis for Special , Ironhelm for horde iirc

[dense field]

Do you like having no health through your gameplay?

1. Yes I do! -> FotF into Martyrdom
2. I prefer to stay healthy -> FotF into Judgement

[spare talon]

this too, but heres the core build i use with the circled nodes being the flexible ones to use with the 2 points i left
but yeah this build will only be effective ones you mess around with the weapon more and get a proper feeling for it, definitely one of the harder weapons to learn how to make the most of

@misty spear

[misty spear]

thank you cole

thats what I was looking for

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/1900s-broly-gif-21896177

[next crow]

tldr for crusher: push attack is very good
horde clear: push attack -> ( heavy -> light ) loop, or just loop push attack -> heavy
single target: push attack -> light -> heavy

basically you want to see horizontal attacks when horde clearing, and vertical attacks when doing single target (i think 90% of the game is like this)

[paper harness]

never recommend desperation

[spare talon]

crusher is the only weapon i ever even consider it for

push attacks happen so much on it that youre constantly dipping down to 0, and recovering from it easily since the crushers cc makes blocking rarely useful

any other weapon its just not worth the risk, crushers cc is what removes that risk

[south grove]

I'm fishing

yippeeeeeeee

I love fishing

[misty spear]

@spare talon many thanks for the build, this works much better than what I had before

[placid fiber]

Still getting warmed up, but, I took 0 damage on the low 5 shock we just did. :/

[south grove]

nice

I'll be back in an hour or so

hope you lads are still on

[pale spindle]

Imagine not bleeding for the Emporer smh my head

[visual stream]

Ironhelm by far

[placid fiber]

Oof my game crashed

idk who I was playing with x.x

[fossil crag]

👀 i was the rnadom

[acoustic dune]

@rotund shoal

come get phil

[rotund shoal]

hes still in the team

[rotund shoal]

mk6 knife??

[acoustic dune]

ah

[rotund shoal]

lets goo

whats yours got

@placid fiber ready now but no rush

[placid fiber]

Wait I was playing with you?

I am so confused rn lol

[rotund shoal]

yeah

im RannickXChaosSpawn

are you in the strike team?

u just sent me an invitation but it already showed you ass in

my chat broken btw

[placid fiber]

did you try hitting tab?

[rotund shoal]

trying

yeah doesnt work

o well

[blissful falcon]

chat banned 🙂

[spare talon]

@obsidian prairie

[peak seal]

So what's the most meta melee weapon for just killing everything these days

[wary kite]

The one that hits the heretics hard

[paper harness]

Rashad

[north sedge]

the pen

is mightier

[peak seal]

I figured it was still rashad

[spare talon]

duelling sword has also reached hilariously broken status too

[wary kite]

Chop chop chop

[peak seal]

I don't want to use that tho, plasma rifle levels of brain dead use

[spare talon]

which one

ds or rashad

[rocky nacelle]

both

[spare talon]

true

[paper harness]

S+++

[spare talon]

id say that duelling sword is less braindead cuz you actually still have to dodge
tho thats not a high bar of competence to consider for a weapon

[paper harness]

The others are S+ with the Rashad and crusher

[spare talon]

rashad you just hold W and click lmb and win

[opal star]

rashad players if the combat axe didnt get brutal momentum

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-mcdonalds-worker-mcdonalds-employee-gif-25564101

[spare talon]

duelling sword has like 2 extra steps of actual gameplay for like 4x the potency

[opal star]

dodge
heavy in opponent's face
dodge
heavy in opponent's face
dodge
heav-

[spare talon]

yeah
with rashad you just
click left mouse button
click left mouse button
click left mouse button
click left mouse button

[north sedge]

AH, but with the pen you can write bad reviews so they become afraid to nerf things, the ultimate weapon

[opal star]

this guy's a nerd

let's kill him

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-futurama-professor-farnsworth-thug-life-beach-gif-16416937

[opal star]

hm

we have nurgle as the main chaos god in darktide

tz-

t-

tzeentch in space marine 2

where's the warhammer game featuring slaanesh

[north sedge]

the hentai section of steam

[opal star]

eh too tame

[rotund shoal]

bro GREAT performance

whats the mk6 build

and what was your ranged

i need to know

[hearty nebula]

check japanese indie game sites

you'll probably find one

[rotund shoal]

@placid fiber restarting

[fossil crag]

its db

[fossil crag]

double barrel

[rotund shoal]

whats on the mk6

[fossil crag]

reposte precog

[violet hornet]

I was the other one

[fossil crag]

and the combat loop is pa heavy or heavy pa, against bosses or crushers/maulers pa spam until the enemy is dead or until your out of stamina then you go back to pa heavy loop

[violet hornet]

team was hauling absolute ass

[rotund shoal]

1 stam curio?

[fossil crag]

x3

@rotund shoal

[rotund shoal]

lel

[fossil crag]

curios for dmg

[rotund shoal]

OK imma copy that was BUSTED

[fossil crag]

it works with zealot

well the mk6 knife

[rotund shoal]

ive been top dmging everyone in the chat ive played with so far and you 2xed

that crazy

[vague depot]

I just can’t play knife

[violet hornet]

Yeah that was nuts

[fossil crag]

i mostly play on eu, i was playing with 140 ms which isnt bad, usually when i play with na its at 200+ and at that point it just feels bad

[rotund shoal]

wasnt that na?

im on eu as well

[fossil crag]

it was na but for some reason i had 140 ms instead of the usual 200

[paper harness]

I must see you play

[violet hornet]

I can confirm that was na

[rotund shoal]

sure

[fossil crag]

@rotund shoal also i cant go as fast as you, but i try to keep up as veteran

[rotund shoal]

yeah that made it crazier

[paper harness]

vet more op

[rotund shoal]

tbf ive only played with phil tintin and wolf

[fossil crag]

i was an ex zealot main but i swap to vet when they removed the cleave cdr on crit

[vague depot]

What perks and blessings on boltgun again

[paper harness]

work it out yourself

[vague depot]

Impossible

[rotund shoal]

@placid fiber play one without me imma practice this mk6 build a sec

tintins coming back in a bit too

ill play when he comes back

[fossil crag]

its just pa heavy loop

or heavy pa

and pa spam when you want things dead

[rotund shoal]

(i also want to drink another beer and have a smoke)

[paper harness]

Knife mains when it finally gets nerfed

[fossil crag]

NOOOOOOO

[fleet zealot]

riots in the reviews

[rotund shoal]

quitting

[fleet zealot]

also it will be the most slap on the wrist nerf you have ever seen

and people will massively pearl clutch about fatshark ruining their fun

FATSHARK HATES FUN

[spare talon]

reduced knife dodge distance by 0.05%

[paper harness]

give me modded realm and i will actually nerf it

[fleet zealot]

reduced base damage by 3

[spare talon]

oh even better
lowered minimum finesse stat bracket down by 0.01x

[undone pewter]

Made the knife a little duller (This change is only visual and doesn't affect gameplay)
Mostly negative reviews the day the update hits

[paper harness]

there should be a universal balance pass that drops damage to all targets below it's unarmored value by default

never would happen (see power sword nerf)

[fleet zealot]

ehh, i think having some anti Non unarmored weapons would be nice

lets people specialize

[paper harness]

Modded realm is the only light and the end of the tunnel for me with balance

week one universal K&B balance and qol pack

spawn fixes

[undone pewter]

I would enjoy trying a version of the game with the balance changes you want

[paper harness]

we do not need diff 6, we need spawn fixes and rebalancing

let modders add damnation+3, deathwish and onslaught etc

[fossil crag]

@paper harness btw are you doing the hardtide streak 👀

since i saw you commenting in the hardtide mod

[paper harness]

made the mistake of playing with people in strike party one and lost another 250 attempt

easier to solo queue

[fossil crag]

lemme know if your doing it, i can join you on my vet that plays like a zealot

[paper harness]

see smyker throwself off map

[rotund shoal]

what about elite packs?

i was doing h loop on them since i felt the cleave would be better

[spare talon]

wth
kinda toxic
they just wanted you to do the mission for them

[north niche]

friday night auric queues, the worst

[paper harness]

No that was me

Smyker m1 spam

Aka not allowed within 500ft of a school build

[spare talon]

oh i thought you were saying you saw one which made you want to ledge yourself lmao

[zinc talon]

I finally had my first pro gamer smyker

got into an auric mael with a pal, was one of those 90k payouts with all the challenges

the other two were paired too

one was a rank 18 left mouse smyker

the other was a 23 vet with the thing that lets you see through walls

we won......eventually

something like 13 deaths total

about a third of the way through I had my moment

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[visual stream]

I still haven't gained the same degree of smyker hatred as my fellow zealot chat comrades

I look at them as helpless little creatures like bunnies

It's funny when they keep lowering peril to desperately keep smiting when they're by themselves

[vague depot]

84k docket auric maelstrom anyone wanna drop a carry

[visual stream]

And then one bruiser closes in on them and they fold instantly

[rotund shoal]

which mael

uhh theres only one 84k one actually

[vague depot]

Hab dreyko

[rotund shoal]

cant remember which

jive?

[vague depot]

Investigation

[rotund shoal]

No i mean the auric name

the one with the dashes

[rotund shoal]

oh its 3veg

huh then my memory is wrong i thought only the new one was 83k

[vague depot]

I can’t screenshot when playing this game it nukes my pc since my resolution is 280x420 or something

[rotund shoal]

anyway yeah inviting you..

[vague depot]

Peak

[modern lintel]

one of the best modifers

[rotund shoal]

@vague depot ok immediate desync

rejoining

[fossil crag]

heavy pa loop

only time i dont heavy loop is against crushers maulers or bosses i do push attack spam until stamina is gone then i go heavy pa loop

[burnt moss]

Can someone explain how this works please I thought all weapons now have the same max potential?

[rotund shoal]

does that include hordes?

as in normal hordes

not mixed

[fossil crag]

yes

[rotund shoal]

huh

ok ty

[fossil crag]

mix hordes just do it on repeat

crusher/maulers comes at you pa spam them to hell

then go back to loop

||advanced but not needed, if your out of stamina reserves and need single target you can do pa> special> light loop||

[burnt moss]

the left has more mobility potential even though the rest are all 80's

[burnt bobcat]

is tknives and revolver as redundant as i feel like it is

[opaque island]

yea im confused too tbh

[spare talon]

not completely

[hearty nebula]

[visual stream]

Dawg what

[opaque island]

why do i even bring a hammer when you can do this with a Tknife

[burnt bobcat]

what in the frusk

why why why why why

[vague depot]

I was told this was a bug

[burnt bobcat]

thats so cursed

[opaque island]

wait, does the surgical from the revolver apply to the tknife?

thats wack

[paper harness]

Technically one of your stats is half a point off

And one is half a point above

[spare talon]

surgical, handcannon, uncanny, manstopper
those are the mainly noticable ones that affect tknives

[paper harness]

None of them should, but do

[opaque island]

i hate tknives even more now, well hate is a strong word

[paper harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1281888137626517504/caption.gif

[grizzled aspen]

3rd attempt at queueing the 3veg and instantly wiped at the bridge again because my teammates have no specialist target priority.

[median steeple]

no no it's appropriate for this

[paper harness]

Wait until you see what happens to crushers if you have 5 stacks of uncanny and one immo grenade

[burnt bobcat]

here i was thinking my ds4 with 59% mobility was therefore a worse sword
good to hear im actually just even dumpier statting

[spare talon]

the blessings are global buffs while they weapon is equipped (and buff is active, if applicable)
and youre still holding the weapon when you throw the knife, so

[modern lintel]

imagine surgical double barrel

[paper harness]

That’s called weapon specialist

[spare talon]

1 weapon specialist kill on a manstop scattershot build
98% crit chance, 100% if you took the 5% crit small node

[modern lintel]

yea yea but on the off chance i didnt want to play vet for some reason that day

[spare talon]

scattershot piety

[modern lintel]

does piety do ranged crit aswell

[spare talon]

its just flat crit chance

[modern lintel]

huh

idk why i always thought it was only melee

[burnt bobcat]

i have tknives so i feel goofy using revolver. im using ds4. what should i slot ranged?

[spare talon]

duellist also applies to ranged

[modern lintel]

flamer

[burnt bobcat]

flamer is unwieldy

[spare talon]

and tknives

[burnt bobcat]

jinx

but yeah i struggle with flamer

[vague depot]

Cole are you free to lend a hand in game

[paper harness]

Just play the mission lmao

[vague depot]

Yea it didn’t go so well

[rotund shoal]

too much beer

im not lettin fkin

3veg

[grizzled aspen]

WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE SO FUCKING BAD

[rotund shoal]

beat me

[spare talon]

if you want a weapon that can roughly fill the same role
agrip brauto has cleave, doesnt even remotely compare to flamer but it can still put in work in group clear situations

[vague depot]

My insides are now outside

[rotund shoal]

ADNAIDNASIASIADFJSFUIAIODAS

[grizzled aspen]

I JUST WANT TO DO A 3VEG

[paper harness]

Why are you playing hab dreyko anyway

[vague depot]

Money

[spare talon]

3veg dreyko i think is the active one

[vague depot]

Yea

[paper harness]

<t:1728674340:R> Hi-Intensity Nurgle-Blessed Monstrous Shock Troop Gauntlet (Scab Enemies Only) (Extra Grenades) (I-II-V-E-G) Smelter Complex HL-17-36 /mmtimport b1443340-272f-4373-a1ea-7929861ade66

[vague depot]

80k dockets it’s pretty cool

[autumn void]

What armor type are Maulers and Crushers? Flak?

[vague depot]

No idea what you just said

[spare talon]

crushers are carapace
maulers are flak everywhere except their head which is carapace

[paper harness]

Do not put carapace on weapons, but the head is carapace and the body flak on maulers

[autumn void]

So what would double barrel want? Flak and Maniac?

[paper harness]

I honestly think I-II and 3veg should have their rewards reversed

[burnt bobcat]

what blessings and perks for flamer? blaze away for certain, flak too. pen flames and carapace?

[paper harness]

3veg isn’t actually more challenging because of the carapace cost with the spawning director

[zinc talon]

oh so it actually factors the cost of crushers and maulers huh

cuz it feels like

[paper harness]

Yeah

[spare talon]

solo its a lot more rough cuz of the mass of armor walking toward you
but in a group 3veg kinda just falls flat

[zinc talon]

all patrols that were ranged normally, just become crusher mauler packs

[paper harness]

The more armour the game spawns overall the easier it becomes

[modern lintel]

krak grenade moment

[zinc talon]

spoken like a true knife goblin

[paper harness]

Less specials

[zinc talon]

'just carapace everywhere' thwip thwip thwip 'aaaand they're all dead'

[paper harness]

Therefore less bosses

[paper harness]

I play more tactical axe than I do any other weapon

[spare talon]

i literally have never seen you use taxe

[autumn void]

How we feeling about this?

[grizzled aspen]

AAAAAAAAAA

[zinc talon]

looks fine to me

[grizzled aspen]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GAME

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/josh-donaldson-yankees-home-run-gif-25416786

[autumn void]

Deserved

[grizzled aspen]

I JUST WANNA PLAY THE 3VEG DAMMIT

Last try, if it fucking sucks, I'm going back to making my dnd setting.

[misty nova]

Speedy Plogryn

[modern lintel]

bait used to be believable

[zinc talon]

woulda worked on me

I've never used an axe once

[paper harness]

Who are you again?

[modern lintel]

your dads bf

[zinc talon]

but...father...?

ah. still out getting smokes, he'll be back shortly

[paper harness]

I have always played taxe 2 more than knife and caxe 2

[hollow vector]

How do martyrdom builds play? Like, do you just care less about going down? Or do you intentionally try to gain corruption or something?

[vague depot]

Just get low and don’t go down

[modern lintel]

get hurt do more dmg faster

[spare talon]

corruption has 0 relevence to martyrdom

[vague depot]

I would rather lose white hp than gain corruption imo

[paper harness]

I just step in fire until I am under 1 wound and don’t take any more damage for the rest of the game

[hollow vector]

Wait, is missing wounds also missing hp?

[paper harness]

Yes….

[vague depot]

Yea

[spare talon]

thats literally what it means

[paper harness]

It says wounds

[spare talon]

any wound that does not have any health in it is a missing wound
either by damage or corruption, it needs to not have health in it

[hollow vector]

The way its worded kinda implied corruption I thought, since you lose the wound when you go down

That makes a lot more sense

[paper harness]

Martydom is just bullshit op tbh

[rotund shoal]

fuck sake

[paper harness]

99% of the time people pick it so they can go down more

[vague depot]

One million dueling swords

[paper harness]

Child toucher lobby

[vague depot]

I’m in the lobby though

I’m the guy on the left

[paper harness]

You lost with ds flamer?

[vague depot]

Yea

Several times

[paper harness]

[vague depot]

What about it

[paper harness]

How do you lose with ds4 flamer

What can even kill you

[rocky nacelle]

user error

[paper harness]

Massive amounts of it

[rocky nacelle]

not everyone is blessed with zealot autism

[paper harness]

Ds4 should be one shooting everything not unyielding

[modern lintel]

miscalculated barrel moment

[paper harness]

Flamer kills everything except carapace

[rocky nacelle]

unless you meme spec it

carapace elite penetrating

[paper harness]

The barrels are always calculated

It’s my favorite pastime

Watch trauma psykers blow themselves off gloriana

[modern lintel]

listing to local football scores on radio some poor kids went 50-0

[paper harness]

[rocky nacelle]

villain origin story

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-chicken-in-the-rain-very-sad-moment-gif-6220165983648670038

[vague depot]

Sometimes I feel like you are just here to shit on people

[rocky nacelle]

( he is )

[vague depot]

I’m working on it

[paper harness]

Imagine how much faster fs could work if they weren’t bound to gw lore protection

[rocky nacelle]

Lightning claws zealot

[opal star]

power fist zealot

[paper harness]

GW is basically like attaching your balls to a f150 and trying to run a marathon

[placid fiber]

@rotund shoal Sorry they had 1 more game left in them so we kinda jumped the gun into it

[paper harness]

Best single target weapon best horde clear secondary

[rotund shoal]

yes go ahead im literally losing my shit

fuck this fuckin game

[vague depot]

Yes I know I’m still struggling

[paper harness]

It is extreme player error to fail with that loadout

[placid fiber]

sigh I got this... before I checked the stat distribution I was planning on discarding it for resources... Damn...

[vague depot]

So what do you want me to do about it

Am I just supposed to purposely use a worse build

[placid fiber]

We just finished the run

[vague depot]

You’re just being a dick and for what

[rotund shoal]

im way too tilted

need a break

[paper harness]

Go smoke

[rotund shoal]

this is what im doing

i smoke inside

so im on disc anyway

[paper harness]

See John gets it

[opal star]

the dueling sword is definitely a bit tricky to get into lmao
any idea what specifically is messing you up?

[paper harness]

[hollow vector]

Also, anyone got any half decent builds that take stun nades? Wanna knock out the pennances at some point but im not sure if its something I can just kinda slot in on a build I got, or if its something you kinda gotta build for

[placid fiber]

Fair, the game can get to us pretty easily sometimes

[paper harness]

I will never willingly play hab dreyko

[vague depot]

It’s less of a weapon thing I’m just struggling with moving around the map during hectic moments and managing my dodges

[opal star]

I see

[paper harness]

Dodge 5 times

[fleet zealot]

PA more

[paper harness]

Block

[opal star]

What you want to do, above all else, is make sure you have an out when things get tough
I think this is mostly a map knowledge (which can be alleviated with more experience) thing but try to avoid letting yourself get pushed towards walls and/or corners

[paper harness]

Dodge 5 times

[opal star]

you also don't have to rely on dodging solely

[paper harness]

Block

[opal star]

like bandit said, your push attack is a saving grace as well

[paper harness]

Defensive economy is really cheap

[opal star]

and what dorn said w/ blocking

you're not a psyker so you can actually block shit

[paper harness]

Unless you are memeing with taking a useless pick like desperation and intentionally pushing stamina to 0, block

[vague depot]

aight got it

[paper harness]

I will warn you

High mobility weapons aren’t good for new players

[grizzled aspen]

"Useless pick" it's actually quite good.

[paper harness]

The dodge distance is insanely forgiving

[grizzled aspen]

The bad part of desperation is that it quite heavily relies on the situational awareness of the player.

I.e. don't use it when you can hear a dog running about.

[opal star]

and that's why I dont use it

[paper harness]

Where are you finding a spare point to throw at desperation

Going piety?

[grizzled aspen]

I'm not taking holy rev.

[opal star]

you're WHAT

[burnt bobcat]

Hey, noticed you guys talking about defense and general attack flow strats
Anybody know of some sort of comprehensive guide to the combat dance?

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908476894045937664/1291815590297866331/ezgif-7-8f58465034.gif?ex=670ab305&is=67096185&hm=c79516ae265c7aa3097cda401197b38d16266b18932cead30866fba2a2d2d491&

[burnt bobcat]

Cuz I know im definitely missing a lot in terms of when to block and stuff, i dont even use half the kit i should be

[paper harness]

Does josho have a defensive guide

[grizzled aspen]

So my 2 points into holy rev and until death becomes 1 point into desperation and another point elsewhere.

[paper harness]

No until death is certainly a take

[grizzled aspen]

It's not nearly as necessary as duellist is, though.

[paper harness]

I’d never recommend people do that

[opal star]

is this for a martyrdom build

[grizzled aspen]

Nope.

[opal star]

ok fair

[grizzled aspen]

IJ evisc build.

[paper harness]

Even with marty toughness damage reduction

[grizzled aspen]

Using mk3 so I'm PAing a lot.

[paper harness]

No until death pushing it

[grizzled aspen]

Could also use crusher if I wanted.

[burnt bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSglTyG_lXw this guide still up to date and useful?

[paper harness]

No

[visual stream]

chat dump damage

[paper harness]

JTC is a fairly decent vt2 player who hates darktide’s combat system

[velvet cove]

Shredder go bye bye (pre update)

[burnt bobcat]

ignoring the lack of empowerment, how it lookin?

[grizzled aspen]

Unironically, damage is the dump stat on flamers.

But it's good otherwise.

[burnt bobcat]

What The Flunkus

[grizzled aspen]

You're looking at a slight dodge distance difference from 60-80%.

Damage is like 2 points difference.

[spare talon]

its a difference of 1 damage on the hit that applies the burn between 60-80%

[grizzled aspen]

But yeah, still good flamer.

Don't bother rolling for a new one.

[burnt bobcat]

Alright, that all makes sense. Still hurts my soul though, what in the stunkus

[visual stream]

Is flamer even more brain-off with penetrating flames

[spare talon]

i am genuinely so close to lowering the difficulty on this game
not because the combat itself is to hard on this difficulty
but because the difficulty gives enemy turns 1 extra action

[visual stream]

Do the colors mean anything here

[rotund shoal]

gyatt size

[spare talon]

and in this boss fight, theres a very obvious method of going about it
but the one extra action puts that method into a losing fight purely cuz they can out damage your self sustain

which is fucking stupid

[visual stream]

Does this game have the same sort of moves as the Persona games?

[opaque island]

darkest dungeon?

[visual stream]

Maybe you could do a sukukaja(?) type move that increases evasion

[serene nymph]

omg I can't add pictures...
does anyone know the different between the heavy eviscerator Mk XV and Mk III ?

[rotund shoal]

3 is a combo weapon so you have to combin lights with heavies with pas
15 is braindead simple lights for hordes heavy for specials

[grizzled aspen]

Mk3 is a combo weapon, mk15 is a pants-on-head copy of the executioner sword from vt2.

[serene nymph]

ty

[placid fiber]

Hey, guys, I found something to annoy ocd people. Look at this heavy sword! >_>'

[grizzled aspen]

Mk3 wants rampage savage sweep with flak maniac perks, mk15 wants rampage bloodthirsty with carapace flak for perks.

[serene nymph]

what happens if I don't combo heavy hits with the 3? I've been spamming light attackes with special attacks on special units

[rotund shoal]

works just is worse

might as well go mk15

[grizzled aspen]

You combo with heavies and your push attack because those cleave horizontally.

[fossil crag]

@rotund shoal there is also a pysker build that allows you to out dps your entire team combine, no leaves

[rotund shoal]

i can do that already

[serene nymph]

ty for the info

[grizzled aspen]

Lights only cleave diagonally with the mk3.

[rotund shoal]

i like zealot knife

[north sedge]

and the heavies have alot of cleave

[rotund shoal]

gives me the zoomy feel

[serene nymph]

how do I get a channel role?

[south grove]

this doesn't faze me anymore

[rotund shoal]

@fossil crag but feel free to give it anyway

[south grove]

I need the 69% therm res

[rotund shoal]

my dps build is blaze trauma on psyker

with shriek warp charge

[grizzled aspen]

Once the server notes that you've said enough things or have existed here long enough, it'll give you the red role to post images.

[serene nymph]

oh cool lol, ty

[south grove]

froggo

[lapis cave]

Barely used the 3. What's the horde clear combo?

[south grove]

are you up rn

[spare talon]

there isnt room in my turn rotation for buffs
1 party member is attacking, 1 party member is drawing aggro, and 1 party member is healing the damage the tank takes
the person attacking doesnt have access to buffs

so i cant even do every 3 turns i skip attacking

[grizzled aspen]

H1 > PA > Light x2 > H1 repeat.

Wait shit that's wrong.

[lapis cave]

I vaguely recall heavy horizontals too?

[grizzled aspen]

H1 > Light x2 > PA repeat.

I dont remember what the first one is.

[serene nymph]

another noob question, if I have a melee weapon that does 259 damage light attack, but my damage bar is only 46/80% am I only doing 46% of 259 damage?

[south grove]

don't ignore me froggo

[grizzled aspen]

I think that's what I do with one of the basher clubs on oggy.

[lapis cave]

At least it's a push attack instead of block cancel I guess

[south grove]

can you play rn?

[grizzled aspen]

I am but I am also writing a dnd fantasy setting rn.

I could probably take a break, though.

[south grove]

I won't interrupt you

[fossil crag]

Its surge staff with 2x balls on crit and 10% quell on weakspot hit with scrier

[south grove]

call me when you wanna take a break

[grizzled aspen]

I'll take that break now, then.

[fossil crag]

I dont really jave the build since im on phone 👀

[rotund shoal]

wait you primary fire spam on it?

[fossil crag]

Ye

[rotund shoal]

is that the famous primary spam build ive been hearing about

i saw some guy do 1mil dmg with it b4

[fossil crag]

Could be

[placid fiber]

True, I doubt even the recon I have that has 80% in damage, ammo, and collateral... 73% in stability, and 67% in mobility would bother you...

[south grove]

alr alr

lemme get that uhhhh

redbull

[fossil crag]

It is but it does require a macro to do the animation canceling consistency, and im not sure on how people feel about that

[south grove]

idc anymore

I need the plasma therm res at 69%

god wills it

[rotund shoal]

nah im good i care more about the mechanics than the big stat numbers

[grizzled aspen]

Fatshark says complex macros are bannable.

[rotund shoal]

good to know what the build is at least

[grizzled aspen]

A complex macro is anything that does more than 1 button press.

[placid fiber]

Well... I believe in you, I don't know if anyone else does but hopefully you can get it lol

[rotund shoal]

at least knife is not completely brainless

offensive wise

[grizzled aspen]

Which is why full auto and always swing get to exist.

[fossil crag]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

Time to get rid of that build

[rotund shoal]

good think i bought darktide on 3 separate accounts

lol

[fossil crag]

Mk6 knife can be done without macro heavy pa loop repeat and you should be good to go

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[placid fiber]

Now if I were to do this, I feel like that would bother people lol

[rotund shoal]

i have my main steam account and another steamdeck account for when friends come over

so we can duo

and one time i forgot my steamdeck password

[fleet zealot]

oh okay

[rotund shoal]

so i bought it again

[rotund shoal]

with a new account

[fossil crag]

[south grove]

I'm deadass the most broke man on darktide

[spare talon]

@visual stream

[weak sail]

Can anyone recommend me a talent tree for eviscerator/bolter with blazing piety?

[grizzled aspen]

You have 4x as much plasteel as me.

[south grove]

look at my dockets

[grizzled aspen]

I have 3k dockets.

[south grove]

I'm seriously considering melting my melkoins into dockets

[south grove]

and I have 421

[grizzled aspen]

I dont think they work like that.

[south grove]

buy melk stuff, scrap melk stuff

[grizzled aspen]

Oh wait I'm thinking about buying stuff off Brunt to attempt to scrap for plasteel.

That doesn't work.

[south grove]

alr

queue us up for smth

[south grove]

@grizzled aspen there's no way the zealot had sprint eff on a sword 😭

[visual stream]

Sorry was driving I'll peep this in a minute

[spare talon]

i am unironically having to make the most wackass plan for this boss

[rotund shoal]

in debt in darktide

crazy

[quaint verge]

[placid fiber]

Hey, Cole, what are good perks for the knife? I am drawing a blank rn cuz I'm dumb lol

[dense vigil]

sometimes I see zealots turn into crazy murder tornados using the combat knife. how can I achieve this as well?

[placid fiber]

Hey, no using big works that some of our smol brainz can't understand...

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[quaint verge]

Aim for weakspot with BP

[rotund shoal]

i thought i understood the combat knife about 3 times and every time i realize it was actually deeper than i thought

[visual stream]

I'm assuming this is one of those lame ass boss fight designs where if you kill the ads, the boss instantly summons them back on their next turn?

[spare talon]

flak unyielding is what i use

[spare talon]

yeah

[placid fiber]

tyvm

[spare talon]

so youd waste your time getting rid of them

[quaint verge]

And learn the attack patterns, that deals bonus finesse dmg

[visual stream]

Those kind of designs make me wanna peel my skin off