zealot-class

[placid fiber]

I'm trogdor lol

That would make fire weapons so much more on brand for that skin

[cobalt stag]

what's a good gun for a martydom axe wielding zealot?

[placid fiber]

I mean if you're using a caxe any gun will do

Like literally

I use the autopistol with my rashad because of how the rashad can kill everything

and the autopistol is the worst zealot gun

You can get away with any gun lol

I advise against using the autopistol tho

[cobalt stag]

maybe i need something that can kill a big guy fast

a revolver maybe?

[placid fiber]

The rashad can do that

[cobalt stag]

i guess

[placid fiber]

well moderately

Like you can use whatever ranged you want

I would say aim for something that can kill trappers well, tho

[cobalt stag]

guess imma just fool around with a flamer

[placid fiber]

trappers and snipers

[lunar fable]

🅱️istol

[cobalt stag]

i use my throwing knives for that

[placid fiber]

Do you have bleed for the emperor?

[cobalt stag]

i think?

[placid fiber]

If you are using marty you want bleed for the emperor

[cobalt stag]

lemme check

[placid fiber]

It's on the left side

At the very top

right above the stunstorm nades

It's effectively 40% less damage taken per hit that deals health damage on a marty build

[cobalt stag]

hmm no

[placid fiber]

it's effectively 66% more hp

[cobalt stag]

i spec all on the right side

[placid fiber]

It's pretty much a must for a marty build

[cobalt stag]

im only lvl 22 for now anyway

[placid fiber]

Tru

[cobalt stag]

missing a lotta points

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[pseudo oxide]

stun vs flame nades?

[placid fiber]

Nades are hit or miss

They are useful until you don't have any

[opal star]

strongest crusher overhead fan vs weakest bleed for the emperor enjoyer

[north sedge]

incredible wisdom

guns are useful until you dont have ammo

[placid fiber]

Effectively your 200hp goes to 334hp

[placid fiber]

I was saying that cause picking up ammo gives tknives back

[north sedge]

i tend to prefer flame nades, but stuns can work ok for shutting things off for a second

[placid fiber]

I didn't finish my statement

Flame nades are good at killing stuff, stun nades are good at clutching stuff

[ornate bone]

I did

[placid fiber]

tknives are good at hitting that sniper that's out of the range of your flamer

[opal star]

flame nades are hella funny in pack hound missions

[placid fiber]

I've honestly never really tried flame names, but, that's because I forget to use nades in general

I've seen extremely good useage of them, before, quite a few times

@north sedge Dude, Dough. I can play as Trogdor in Dungeons of Infinity!

[rustic widget]

y do some ppl recommend flesh tearer for knife but others say it's bad? is it a good choice for stealth zealot? I run precog, flesh tearer right now but im a bit unsure

[placid fiber]

Bleed is bad unless you have uncanny

[rustic widget]

oh

[placid fiber]

because the main things that are gonna survive bleed are flak and carapace enemies

or bosses and bulwarks/reapers

[rustic widget]

i thought bleed is only bad for carapace neemies

[placid fiber]

I mean

It's not great for flak or carapace

[rustic widget]

ah

[placid fiber]

Uncanny gives you up to 100% rending

meaning bleed will always do up to 100% damage

[rustic widget]

damn okay so i should swap precog to uncanny

[placid fiber]

^

[obsidian prairie]

Behold the bleed table

[rustic widget]

oh ty 😄

[placid fiber]

Dorn has been a praiser of uncanny lacerate for the knife >.>

[wraith cipher]

uhhh eli5?

[placid fiber]

Honestly I don't suggest lacerate, but, it works for me since I miss headshots sometimes and then I get free damage for my poor aim

[wraith cipher]

i use haymaker cause funni

[placid fiber]

Yum

[wraith cipher]

but i love haymaker on my ogryn

[rustic widget]

hmm i dont run piety, so maybe i should just not run felsh tearer

i do momentum

[wraith cipher]

seeing a mauler get knocked away never gets old

[paper harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/jRjMN82KnD

[pseudo oxide]

what is effecting me when i am fighting a horde and my weapon gets very slow to swing?

[north sedge]

nothing slows swing, but you can get staggered by hits which will interupt

[pseudo oxide]

no like, my weapon gets very slow start swinging again, is it cleave?

[obsidian prairie]

What weapon

[pseudo oxide]

heavy evisc

[opal star]

is it like, your weapon stops mid-swing when hitting through a horde

[pseudo oxide]

it just goes from normal speed to very very slow swinging animation

[opal star]

wekk

*well

[pseudo oxide]

not the chainsaw going brrr part

[teal sapphire]

[opal star]

the heavy evis is just slow

there are talents you can take to alleviate that like maniac and the bottom right node past martyrdom

[tight fog]

what keystone do you have

[pseudo oxide]

none

:)

gonna go for momentium though

[rustic widget]

damn bleed ticks on crusher got ot 255 from 56 with uncanny 😮

i can light attack kill them by slapping their faces xD

pretty neat

[paper harness]

we did punch only from lacerate because of uncanny

[teal sapphire]

im stealing the l4d style hud from whoever posted it here

that's genius

[placid fiber]

Dude, just do a link to the past as a rogue lite smh my head

[frosty herald]

character development

[placid fiber]

Yep, uncanny is op af lol

[placid fiber]

btw, what you do to your wife is: Take out a piece of duct tape and put it on your wife... and then tell her she's on tape...

... I'll show myself out now >.>

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepoleave-gif-20075315

[frosty herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1270659857795776585/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH-1.gif

[placid fiber]

Also: I gotta say... the trogdor model sucks cause I can't tell where link's hitbox is lol

[wary kite]

I'm just leveling up my zealot and I always wanted to have a martyrdom build, but looking at it, it seems like a lot of investment. You need wound curios to make it work, and the other two keystones work just by themselves, hell, one gives you value for just walking around, am I missing something?

[north sedge]

gives alot more melee dmg, basically

[placid fiber]

Martyrdom is a give and take build

[north sedge]

and tankier

[placid fiber]

it gives up to 48% melee damage, 24% attack speed, and 39% toughness damage reduction

[frosty herald]

The wound curios are the hardest part

[placid fiber]

At least with wound curios it doesn't matter what the base rating is

You could have a 80 base rating wound curio and put perfect perks on it... and it's marty ready

[wary kite]

You are right about that

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile the others you want 17% toughness or 21% hp or 3 stamina for the base amounts

[opal star]

martyrdom makes you hella strong for the investment needed, esp w/ the heavier weapons like heavy evis or thammer

tbf I've been getting along fine with just 1 wound curio

[placid fiber]

I run 2 wound curios for mine, and 1 toughness... I end up with 172 toughness myself

[stone fern]

can someone join my team and revive me real quick

[placid fiber]

I can try

[grizzled aspen]

Martyrdom allows you to do really stupid shit without having to weirdly path.

[placid fiber]

I have to launch the game tho

[grizzled aspen]

Like crusher 1taps on weapons that shouldnt.

[opal star]

the other builds it's like

[stone fern]

so far just a bot

and me ded

[opal star]

"gotta go across the tree for this, gotta go across the tree for that"

gotta pay the node tax

[wary kite]

Yeah

I've been having a very fun time with the heavy sword

[opal star]

I

[stone fern]

real

[opal star]

do not understand the heavy sword

[wary kite]

It just looks cool

[north sedge]

is sword that is heavy

[wary kite]

Also its headtaker is crazy

[opal star]

"heavy" sword
has weaker lights than the dclaw

[stone fern]

NOT REAL

[wary kite]

It's as good as slaughterer but without the need to kill stuff

[stone fern]

DORN SAVE US

[placid fiber]

let me try

to rejoin

lol

[north sedge]

can the dclaw kill like 4 ragers in one swing though

[wary kite]

Can the devils claw look like a pirates' Cutlass?

[hushed knoll]

[stone fern]

free plasteel

(kinda)

[grizzled aspen]

Heavy sword. Use heavies. It's in the name. Heavy sword.

[placid fiber]

I am so not awake lol

[stone fern]

its okie

also eu server

[ornate bone]

So I'm supposed to smoke the blaze swords

[pseudo oxide]

fuck stun grenade does knives one hit shotgunners?

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/hodl-meme-crypto-gif-8440685405279941522

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[opal star]

on a headshot, yeah

same goes with gunners and ragers

[pseudo oxide]

shotgunners ruining my day

[stone fern]

the team had two smykers

[grizzled aspen]

If you headshot, you can 1tap anything that isn't carapace.

[stone fern]

i died trying to res one

[grizzled aspen]

I think scab ragers need a little work to do, though.

[opal star]

unless you run uncanny strike

[stone fern]

because my dodge got cockblocked

[placid fiber]

I"m willin to try again lol

Even tho I'm half out of it

[stone fern]

i was just doing one game for now

[placid fiber]

Heh

[stone fern]

i havent made dinner yet

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah if you run something with uncanny you can 1tap crushers and maulers with tknives.

[placid fiber]

I'm making lunch atm for me

[stone fern]

burger king for lunch

[placid fiber]

I'm having pizza, it's in the oven

[lucid cypress]

are heavy swords decent at all

[stone fern]

chicken pasta smething for dinner once i make it

[vocal pulsar]

very good

[solar gorge]

the light sword is better

[placid fiber]

Would have been funny if I succeeded lol

[wary kite]

What melee do you guys run, since I seem to be in the minority

[pseudo oxide]

heavy evisc goes brrrr

[grizzled aspen]

Depends what I feel like running.

[placid fiber]

I run rashad or crucis in general

[wary kite]

Are those axes

[placid fiber]

rashad is the caxe

crucis is the thammer

[grizzled aspen]

Rashad is an axe.

[placid fiber]

Honestly they are the opposite as far as weapons go lol

one requires some skill, one requires no brain

[wary kite]

I literally just started playing zealot from Ogryn so I don't know weapons too well

[pseudo oxide]

if you have swift certainty are you just invincible when your sprinting?

[placid fiber]

Not really

You gotta run at the right angle

[wary kite]

I had an idea where I wanted to try to get the fastest attack speed possible, would that be the knife or a tac axe

[placid fiber]

otherwise gunners just shred you anyway

[pseudo oxide]

?

wdym

[lucid cypress]

tax

[placid fiber]

You have to run at an angle based on which direction the gunners are shooting to avoid their shots by sprinting

[pseudo oxide]

what angle

[placid fiber]

It's like 90 degrees, right guys?

I can't remember

[wary kite]

Word, was thinking of using like, martyrdom with the charge to get ridiculous blending potential

[placid fiber]

or it's 120 or something

[placid fiber]

Something like this

[fleet zealot]

swift certainity just extends the sprint evading gunfire mechanic all classes have, this normally stops if you are at 0 stam and you will start eating hits, swift certainity just extends the mechanic to work even if you have no stam. Still has to be sprinting at an angle

[fleet zealot]

chsword

[pseudo oxide]

lol your illustration made me laugh but thanks

[frosty herald]

I havent discovered an attack speed cap yet

[placid fiber]

Is this about right? @fleet zealot

It's like between 90 and 120 degrees based on where the gunner is shooting, right?

[pseudo oxide]

ahhh didnt know that was a thing, thanks

[placid fiber]

Yeah, it's really only good for the movement speed and since they nerfed that it's honestly not worth it anymore

[placid fiber]

And: Yeah, I draw like a 1st grader lol

[pseudo oxide]

so the backstab talent is better? going for momentium

[modern fox]

is the a non-crit build for combat shotgun?

[eternal dagger]

How does Martyrs purpose work

[modern fox]

the dragon round version (flaming bullet)

[placid fiber]

Yes, backstab cdr is vastly better

[eternal dagger]

Is it getting hit reduces cd or being low hp reduces it

[north sedge]

no respite ff

[placid fiber]

It's something akin to 1% of base health in damage = 1% cdr

[placid fiber]

It's terrible

[pseudo oxide]

y'all like fury? cant seem to use it effectively

[eternal dagger]

[placid fiber]

Fury of the faithful is the go-to skill yeah

[placid fiber]

You can extend the dash by aiming at an enemy

Takes a bit of practice

[pseudo oxide]

just seems weird to me

like you dont want to dash into a horde since now your surrounded

[placid fiber]

You, basically, want to avoid health damage as often as you can

[pseudo oxide]

and you get shot and cancel your dash

idk

[placid fiber]

twbs

thy wrath be swift

[wary kite]

I feel like I can't use anything else, really. The toughness gain is very good, and you can launch yourself all the way to those annoying gunners far away and smack them down

[pseudo oxide]

is that a talent?

[placid fiber]

You don't get hit stunned, and yes

It's above loner, and below the throwing knives

It's more important the slower your weapon is

[pseudo oxide]

guess im going to stop stun grenades and get on the knive band wagon

[placid fiber]

If you aren't using martyrdom, then in general the throwing knives get you further

[placid fiber]

also you still want benediction instead of loner

[frosty herald]

Immolation grenades are also better than stun

[north sedge]

you actually want to be in the crowd, zealot has the highest survivability when it's in the thick of it

[rustic widget]

bit of a late reply but ye i was super surprised how much dmg bleed does to crushers with it, i had no idea how strong rending was

[placid fiber]

Rending is god-tier

[placid fiber]

Btw rending, once you reach 100% damage, applies to the adm(armor damage modifier) at 1/4th the rate of how much it is over 100%

[opaque island]

most of my deaths as zealot are getting trapped or caught out by a bunch of shooters/gunners

[placid fiber]

Rending applies to everything besides infested and unarmored

[eternal dagger]

Alright, just got heavy sword to 20, we doing thunder of eviserator next

[warped current]

combat axe dump stats?

[rustic widget]

i see, really cool for sure

[north sedge]

mobility

always mobility

unless it has defences

[warped current]

defences is the worst period?

[placid fiber]

basically if 25% rending got you to 100%, then the remaining bonus 75% would be applied at (75%/4) for the % bonus with 100% bonus rending

[teal sapphire]

custom UI is a gamechanger damn wish I got it sooner

[rustic widget]

oh okay, but i think i dont get any other rending from the tree

ill have to check

[placid fiber]

t3 or higher uncanny goes to up to 100% rending

[warped current]

i have been wishing for this

[warped current]

how do i get it?

[rustic widget]

oh u are right

it's 24% and more stacks than i thought

[placid fiber]

iirc rending only stacks up to 100% still

[opaque island]

have a pc and access to nexusmods

[warped current]

what happens when the game updates?

[placid fiber]

Even tho it should be up to 120% rending at t4, it is still only 100% rending

[teal sapphire]

you just retoggle it lol

[opaque island]

update the mods, or just reactivate them depending on the mod

[teal sapphire]

there is a batch file you run

after an update, usually its fine unless fatshark messed with something or fucked something up

[north sedge]

sometimes weapons have defences instead of mobility

[warped current]

what about mobility on ranged weapons?

[rustic widget]

ah okay, game has a lot of quirks 😄

[north sedge]

mobility is always the dump stat

[warped current]

and not ammo?

[placid fiber]

@north sedge Hey, Dough, do you remember the angle you gotta sprint at to avoid gunner fire? Is it between 90% and 120% from where the gunner is shooting?

[fleet zealot]

ammo is good lol

[north sedge]

why would you dump ammo

[placid fiber]

helbore

[fleet zealot]

ok helbore is like

an exception

[warped current]

or long las

[placid fiber]

I know, I just was like "oh yeah I got the answer"

[warped current]

the lasguns get a bunch of fuckin ammo

[placid fiber]

You still dump mobility on the lasguns

[warped current]

the only one where ive been wishing for more is the fast shooting recon one

[north sedge]

mobility just doesnt matter much past 51%

so you dump it

very few weapons have other dump stats

[placid fiber]

besides defences

[placid fiber]

Recons are ammo hungry if you use them like a vet lol

[opaque island]

like this :^)

[placid fiber]

Got it

[warped current]

s+++ tier infographic

[opaque island]

i dont know how people draw well with a mouse

[placid fiber]

That's literally my drawing skill as well lol

[opaque island]

it is literally impossible

[placid fiber]

ikr?

Actual cancer

[warped current]

you draw the line 1000 times until you do it right

[opaque island]

my dpi is also at max right now for chivalry 2 so that doesnt help

[placid fiber]

Yeah, fuck that

[north sedge]

the way people draw with mouse is buy a wacom tablet

[placid fiber]

lol

[warped current]

🚬

[placid fiber]

Or I mean if you use them like I use my autopistol...

but... I have inspiring barrage >.>

So sometimes I just unload a mag for a full toughness bar

Like when I use an enemy for marty hp set up

I get to the hp then use a full mag

[opal star]

twbs looks like it only applies to melee hits

[wary kite]

What tax axe do you guys like?

[opal star]

is none a valid answer

[placid fiber]

it applies to hitstuns in general and also to gunner/reaper pushback

Fatshark 101, don't trust fatshark descriptions

[opal star]

that's funny
I had it on and still got my fotf eaten by a gunner barrage

[placid fiber]

Weird, I've never had that happen

[north sedge]

it is ranged too

[placid fiber]

Are you pressing other keys?

[opal star]

uh

W

[placid fiber]

You could be canceling it early by accident

[opal star]

cancelling it whatnow

[placid fiber]

Try without hitting W

You can cancel chastise's dash early

[modern fox]

ff?

[opal star]

you're joking

[placid fiber]

No I'm not lol

[placid fiber]

frenzied fire

[modern fox]

i can't empower my weapon

[placid fiber]

What is your mastery at?

[placid fiber]

wait

exit the table and re-enter

[modern fox]

no, look at the screen lol

[opal star]

.

[modern fox]

still the same

[opal star]

FUCK I THINK I PRESSED S BY MISTAKE

[placid fiber]

Yeah, you can cancel it lol

[placid fiber]

hit esc and re-enter

If it keeps up re-launch the game

[opal star]

I have brought great shame upon this channel

[north sedge]

you have to re-enter it until it fixes itself

[placid fiber]

^

[placid fiber]

Nah, it's okay. It's an easy mistake to make with fatshark descriptions lol

[modern fox]

this is after i relaunch the game

the shotgun is fine though

i think its the item

[north sedge]

yea just keep re-entering hadron, i've had it happen

[placid fiber]

^

[north sedge]

it will fix itself eventually

[placid fiber]

I've never had it happen more than once, myself

so I'd trust Dough on this one

[opal star]

what they said

[modern fox]

my prev game another zealot said my hammer can't one shot a rager, and thus dealing zero damage

[placid fiber]

Lol

[modern fox]

my iron helm can do that on a charged hit, but not a light attack activation

[placid fiber]

Sometimes you get the hit register error

Happens more with the ironhelm, I'm 99% sure on that

[modern fox]

is the requirement for "good" damage light empowered hit oneshot?

[placid fiber]

No

[modern fox]

what the ironhelm good at now?

[placid fiber]

If they are a moron they can fuck off

Morons will say shit all the time

[modern fox]

no, i meant what the iron helm is good at?

[placid fiber]

Horde cleave on the special

[warped current]

what about mobility on pistols like the revolver and the bolt pistol?

[placid fiber]

It stops on an elite/special/monster

or when you run out of cleave

[modern fox]

the special cleave on Crucis does more damage right, and it doesn't need special activation to cleave on charge attack for horde

[placid fiber]

The special doesn't cleave on the crucis

[modern fox]

is it worth the special cleave for iron helm?

[north sedge]

mobility is always the dump always the dump always the dump

[placid fiber]

the crucis only hits 1 target with the special

[obsidian prairie]

It has a very small amount of cleave now

[placid fiber]

IT does? Seriously? lol

[obsidian prairie]

I think it does

hold on

[placid fiber]

The ironhelm can cleave an entire horde on the special heavy1/2

[modern fox]

whoa, what country flag is that

[pseudo oxide]

thanks for advice all, if i dont respond its cause i just got revived and im back playing the game

[modern fox]

should i get a new hammer

[placid fiber]

Save up for a perfect one

Don't spend resources on another until you can

[modern fox]

ya but what is the perfect iron helm (i am not a crit build)

[obsidian prairie]

Dumped defences

[placid fiber]

^

[obsidian prairie]

Same with crucis

[fading vale]

also would not recommend crit chance on any weapons especially a hammer

[placid fiber]

^

Thammer is like the least finesse of any weapon

[obsidian prairie]

reworked IoD makes it somewhat useful on thammer

but its finesse is terrible

[placid fiber]

I've never tried to special heavy a horde on the crucis

I'm never gonna do it either lol

[modern fox]

i wanna run crit for fast recharge, is there an alternative?

[obsidian prairie]

I think ogryn weapons and staves do worse

[placid fiber]

of any zealot MELEE weapon*

lol

aside from maybe the fucking eviscerator

both have terrible finesse

[fading vale]

crit chance perk is meaningless for piety relative to the talents

[placid fiber]

Yeah crit chance is a trap for new players

[obsidian prairie]

Crit chance perk is just bad in general

[placid fiber]

like crit damage and weakspot damage

[north sedge]

it cleaves one pox

[lucid cypress]

useful on staves

[placid fiber]

Oh Boy... 1 poxwalker

[placid fiber]

compared to 25% more damage? lol

[north sedge]

basically makes the stupid overhead actually work in crowds

[lucid cypress]

surge blessing:

[paper harness]

Crit chance, damage, weakspot, carapace (mostly) and the trash perks are all bad

[placid fiber]

^

[obsidian prairie]

Surge doesn't work on anything but voidstrike and you have to manually split the balls if you do use it on that

[placid fiber]

Carapace has some uses, compared to the former 3 lol

[lucid cypress]

Left click electrostaff:

[pseudo oxide]

mainac best perk

[paper harness]

Flak maniac flak unyielding

Mostly

[placid fiber]

flakiacielding?

[fading vale]

elites good on some things

[placid fiber]

flakiacieldites?

lol

[fading vale]

I might do elites on bolter instead of maniac....

[paper harness]

Flak unyielding

[obsidian prairie]

With a full three stacks of thrust Crucis activated can kill

3 poxwalkers

woooooo

[placid fiber]

Carapace has some use on the crucis for 1 shot breakpoints with no buffs besides thrust

[fading vale]

fuck unyielding, I have a hammer

[north sedge]

thats fucked up, you should run block eff on bolter

[placid fiber]

Yeah, just put unyielding on the thammer lol

Melt the bon bon

thammer style

[fading vale]

I only run unyielding on hammer for monstrous specials now anyways

[placid fiber]

I mean I just like the extra oomph on monsters >.>

And for light specialing bulwarks lol

[placid fiber]

Have you had any hit register errors on a direct special crucis hit, yet?

[fading vale]

uh I think I have, but the hitbox length is quite generous now

[placid fiber]

I've had 0 myself

I tried the ironhelm one run and had like 10 lol

[fading vale]

the thing that pisses me off is the special getting canceled sometimes

[placid fiber]

yeah that is annoying

Usually happens when I spam the special tho

before hitting

[fading vale]

I hate it cause I keep hitting monstrosities without the special active

[placid fiber]

Yeah it sucks

[north sedge]

well thats because hitting special repeatedly no longer extends the duration

[placid fiber]

Really? lol

[fading vale]

yeah, I think they forgot the action chain in the overhead

or something like that

[placid fiber]

I've had pretty much all overhead specials hit

Unless I used the special more than once

[fading vale]

on monstrosities sometimes you kinda have to move around and that leads to pressing special multiple times

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[fading vale]

I suppose I could always swap cancel

[placid fiber]

Or when the monster goes and chases the Vet on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROOM

[fading vale]

tedious to remember

[placid fiber]

[placid fiber]

Oh that's a good idea

I'll try to remember that

[gilded coral]

what's the best mk for tac axes?

[misty nova]

2 or 4

Big fan of 2

[gilded coral]

do I need to use heavies on the 2? or are light attacks good for it? trying it out on a crit zealot atm so wondering which is best for that

[pseudo oxide]

ok

why did no one tell me that knives just instantly came out to save your life in any situation

this shit is busted

i love knives

[rocky nacelle]

another one down the rabbit hole

[pseudo oxide]

actually amazing

[rocky nacelle]

you'll accidentally have zealot chat spam their Tknife clips later (eventually) cause of this

cause we're all a bunch of drones

[pseudo oxide]

how good is the shotty?

been using recon lasgun

[amber igloo]

not very

nor the recon

[pseudo oxide]

then whats the reccomended range weapon? I was told most of them work except the las pistol

[amber igloo]

las pistol is your better option on zealot with its innate +15% crit, on piety at least

huh?

las pistol is the best zealot piety gun

[pseudo oxide]

hmmm

not piety

[teal sapphire]

big hmm

[pseudo oxide]

using momentium

[teal sapphire]

i use bolt pistol

[tribal trout]

Wut you running perk/ Blessing wise?

[teal sapphire]

it pulls out fast and one taps most things i need

[pseudo oxide]

momentum heavy evisc goes brr

[amber igloo]

unyield + maniac, dum + infernus

bolt pistol is a solid special killer, zarona if you don't mind using crutches and spend half your time reloading

[tribal trout]

Ive tried infernus. Idk i guess im not a fan. Not a bad blessing just not my fav

[polar nexus]

Zarona is the best insert class gun tbh

[amber igloo]

its a crutch

and I hate reloading that shit

luckily we have bolt pistol now

[polar nexus]

It is nevertheless the best weapon

[tribal trout]

Bolt pistol is good flavor

[amber igloo]

at this point, game is too easy to rely on crutches

but I can only talk for myself

@tribal trout you'll have 45% crit with las pistol and piety, nothing better to pick

unless you wanna run ghost I suppose

[tribal trout]

Love me stipped down sah

[polar nexus]

We're talking about what the best weapon is objectively. That has nothing to do with labelling stuff as crutches.

[amber igloo]

don't generally feel like I need any of those on zealot

depends on your objective @polar nexus

[tribal trout]

Huge fan of the auto pistol set up. Inspiring barrage has saved my ass many times.

[amber igloo]

I tend to just ulti in instead 🙂

[polar nexus]

I play taxe and bolter (long before the glow up) so I don't really consider the game hard 😄

[tribal trout]

Tis no Vermintide w for sho

[amber igloo]

bolter is still too clumsy for me

takes too much time away from me meleeing

[polar nexus]

It's on braced autoguns now 👌

[polar nexus]

You know you can knife cancel the wield animation right?

[amber igloo]

no, tell me more!

doesn't change the long ass reload time

[polar nexus]

Ok so throw a knife and just after equip the bolter

[opal star]

well if anything there's sainted gunslinger to help with the reload time

[polar nexus]

Yeah reload is...

[opal star]

apart from that,

[amber igloo]

I am kidding

I know everything there is to know about zealots

[polar nexus]

So Nomad?

[amber igloo]

she runs fast

[polar nexus]

What should I understand from that?

That's like a badge of honor?

[amber igloo]

nomads had to run fast running from lions and shit

no, just randomly picked different blue ones

[opal star]

nah it's the level indicator

phra has, evidently, put a lot of time into zealot

[amber igloo]

oh that, I've played my share of zealot

why would you play anything else

you get to run around smacking things, and never die

[polar nexus]

To play vet and psyker like a zealot of course

[amber igloo]

don't have to shoot or reload

my pugsters can vacuum up 90% of ammo and heals and you'll still be fine

but I heard zealots needs a buff

[polar nexus]

I like having no title tbh

[amber igloo]

I like having Nomad!

[fleet zealot]

ogryn twin stubbers is the lowest i think

[polar nexus]

That's probably the best title tbh

[opal star]

where's the tri stubbers at

quad stubbers

penta stubbers

hexa stubbers

[barren kelp]

Thunder hammer dump stat?

[frosty herald]

Diff 1 runs on sm2 are something else

[opal star]

super mario 2

[frosty herald]

Had a dude that spammed parry

So i parried when the enemy attacked maybe hell learn somethinf

sometimes you gotta have drip

[opal star]

ok now make a crayon marine

what in the UI is this

[paper harness]

Real

Only crutches in the game are op abilities and melee weapons with high dodge distance + game breaking ranged

[amber igloo]

Yea, zarona being one of em

[placid fiber]

So in other words: everything but the autopistol

[paper harness]

Plasma, staffs

[placid fiber]

almost every single ranged lol

breaks the game in one way or another

specifically: zarona, flamer, brauto

[paper harness]

Flamer has always been op

[placid fiber]

Just like ur face cheese

[paper harness]

As long as infinite cleave weapons exist, they cannot be balanced meaningfully

[placid fiber]

Tru

Unless you make them suck ass

with piss poor ammo as well

[steep hound]

Is it just me having bad rng or does the armoury pretty much never sell duelling swords to zealot? I haven't seen a single one for sale yet in dozens of inventories

[amber igloo]

huh

just buy em from Brunt?

[placid fiber]

^

[steep hound]

I mean yeah, I could fish at Brunt, but I'm curious about the shop. Did they forget to update it to include DS rolls?

[placid fiber]

The ds sells in the shop

There's just a lot of weapons

[amber igloo]

don't think so, they've even added recon to zealot brunt now

not that I have an idea why would you want it

[steep hound]

I've seen all the available weapons for all classes at the shop, except for DS on zealot

So must be my bad RNG, maybe combined with a lower chance of appearing

[amber igloo]

RNG can be cruel, I had to realize I only have 1 x 21% HP curio on oggy and no 17% toughness at all

in 1001 levels of playing

[steep hound]

I want it cuz I'm rolling all the weapons on all the classes so I always have something available to try whenever I want. Its cheaper to buy from the shop than from Brunt so I've been doing that, but this is one of the last ones I need. I will just buy from Brunt, but yeah I was just curious what other people have seen

[placid fiber]

My main zealot has 0 17% toughness curios

meanwhile my other 2 level 30 zealots have 1

[amber igloo]

I have a shitton on all humans

just not the oggy

[placid fiber]

Sounds about right

[light badge]

Do you guys think the combat shotguns are balanced compared to most ranged options?

[frosty herald]

yes

[paper harness]

Yes

[steep hound]

Dang thats rough. I have at least a dozen of each max curio on all classes, just most of them had shit perks until this update

[frosty herald]

and funnily enough combat shotgun is the best sniper in the game

[amber igloo]

shotguns lack purpose for the most part to me

I don't need my gun to hordeclear on zealot

but at least the double barrel is a blast to use, quite literally

onetapping mutis is always fun

[opal star]

there's 21% hp curios?

[barren kelp]

IMO a gun on zealot should only really be needed for picking off enemies you cant get close enough to maul

[placid fiber]

I've never been a fan of trying to horde clear with a ranged weapon

[steep hound]

yeah the normal combat shotguns dont seem to have a niche they fill, they just do the same thing as other guns just slightly worse. But they are balanced to use, just I almost always pick something else

[opal star]

when the zarona special fire hits just right tho

[frosty herald]

me casually bolter magdumping

[steep hound]

21%hp, 17% toughness, +3 stam, +1 wound are the maximums

[amber igloo]

21% HP and 17% toughness is the most you can get

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/klm-attack-blast-gif-14968357

[amber igloo]

max curios are the only RNG left in the game really

[opal star]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dbz-dragonballz-gif-5367140

[paper harness]

What is that curio

[amber igloo]

wdym?

is on me zealot

[placid fiber]

ur face ur mom ur uncle ur daddy a frog ur ferret

[paper harness]

Coherency toughness and corruption resist

[amber igloo]

yea I like to have 1 corr resist on frontlines

pugs like to blow up bursters in my face

[paper harness]

When is your hp being corrupted by anything other than grims

[amber igloo]

bursters

[paper harness]

That’s why you don’t go into melee with them

[amber igloo]

I go melee into everything 🙂

[stone fern]

its fine

[placid fiber]

the lone poxwalker who ate ur lunch money

[stone fern]

triple toughness regen on loner is comfy

[opal star]

caught a whiff of that tox bomber brap gas sadly

[frosty herald]

maybe i should do that actualky

[amber igloo]

call me old school, I have 3x toughness regen on all humans

[paper harness]

Me when coherency regen speed literally is irrelevant if you are in melee

[amber igloo]

its mostly for the delay

so you can go back meleeing quicker

[stone fern]

you kinda dont need it on psyker or zealot

[paper harness]

Zealot and vet have infinite toughness

[opal star]

enemies within enemies without:

[amber igloo]

until you don't

enemies within is hot garbage

[opal star]

bro what

[paper harness]

Just dodge

[stone fern]

i do 3x toughness 3x hp 2x gunner and one corruption on marty

[placid fiber]

4% toughness/sec is kinda mid

[amber igloo]

wait its 4% now?

[barren kelp]

ngl, bolt pistol is so peak on zealot because i can see a sniper, whip it out, hipfire, kill the sniper, and pull out my melee weapon in the time of 1-2 secconds

[amber igloo]

its 2.5%

[frosty herald]

3 toughess 3 corruption resist 3 gunner resist

[amber igloo]

you wont even notice it

[placid fiber]

Works the same way as before, I think. 5% before was 8% because of the tic rate

[north sedge]

toughness regen is crap

[stone fern]

3x gunner and curruption is a bit much

[amber igloo]

oh right that

[frosty herald]

i like to play it safe

[stone fern]

you dont get anything more than 2x of each

[amber igloo]

you do

its just diminishing return

[broken walrus]

Dunno whats optimal, but I like Bolt pistol just cuz ppl explode when I shoot them

[amber igloo]

but I never run DR

[frosty herald]

if i had shit like crusher resist i would take it in a heartbeat

[stone fern]

ye

id rather have more of something else

nah fuck crusher resist

give me pox burster resist

[amber igloo]

there is

[paper harness]

Coherency regen is so ass

[stone fern]

you have resist for every disabler

[amber igloo]

its called corroption resist

[placid fiber]

Nah, give us net resist

[amber igloo]

corruption resist is burster resist

[paper harness]

When you literally could always out damage toughness damage dealt

[stone fern]

it just reduces the aids after the damage

doesnt it?

[placid fiber]

so we can sometimes resist nets

lol

[frosty herald]

Brock thought me something very nasty

That shroud deletes nets that are shot at you

[paper harness]

When do you not almost reach 75% toughness dr

[amber igloo]

DR is kinda pointless when you can just do 15% HP instead, that helps vs everyone type of dmg

[placid fiber]

wait if you wait until they shoot and use shroud the net gets deleted?

[frosty herald]

Yup

[amber igloo]

at least, I never needed DR blessings

I have 1 gunner on Oggy since the buff, that's it

[placid fiber]

The only dr perk I'm really all for is gunner resist as a front line character

[paper harness]

You run coherency regen

Opinions permanently invalidated

[stone fern]

1 gunner for ogryn?

[amber igloo]

yea, 0 on anything else

[stone fern]

idk i do 2 on ogryn

and 2x sniper only for ogryn as well

[amber igloo]

2x sniper will save you from HP dmg

[placid fiber]

I do 3 cause I like being comfy and idc what other people think

[amber igloo]

but I rather just have 15% HP

take some HP dmg

[paper harness]

Do you happen to also have a second zealot called celine

[amber igloo]

and still have more than you after 😄

[paper harness]

[stone fern]

ogryn dodges are so fucking ass i like sniper there

[amber igloo]

yea that one gunner DR used to be sniper

before the gunner buff

but with close to 200 toughness, don't care all that much

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile I have over 200 toughness lol

[amber igloo]

well, I don't play lugger

[placid fiber]

I don't play lugger either

[amber igloo]

or run 3 toughness curios

[placid fiber]

I only have 2

[frosty herald]

I enjoy gunlugger

[craggy sequoia]

trying to do the firebomb penance, somehow a psyker smites them outside the fire aoe

[placid fiber]

I'd have like 240 toughness if I had 3 toughness curios lol

[craggy sequoia]

everytime

[amber igloo]

than you've given up dmg somewhere

[placid fiber]

Lol

Nope

[broken walrus]

Trying to parry Ragers with Dclaw. Everything dancing the smite dance 😦

[visual stream]

I run 3x coherency regen what's the problem

||on ogryn||

[amber igloo]

nothing

[placid fiber]

I have everything I want and more on my Ogryn

[amber igloo]

ppl just like to tell you how to play the game here

don't be bothered by em

[visual stream]

As long as someone carries their weight or at least plays the game like it's co-op Idc what they have

[amber igloo]

imagine if I'd tell em, I don't even run thy 90% of the time on zealot

[visual stream]

Unless they're killing everything in the lobby

[amber igloo]

GET YOUR PITCHFORKS OUT

[placid fiber]

^

[placid fiber]

idc, if u pull your wait you do you

I'll do me

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-sit-on-the-chair-that-makes-me-yap-yakuza-gaiden-like-a-dragon-pirate-yakuza-in-hawaii-hawaii-yakuza-hawai-majima-gif-1875002789278146677

[craggy sequoia]

surely i will get more maxed primary stat curious at somepoint, surely

[visual stream]

If you suck at the game and at least untrap me the one time I get netted all game, we're still probably winning and that's fine with me

[craggy sequoia]

i think i got good at dodging specialists, but somehow that one time i get trapped there is always a flamer nearby

[placid fiber]

I love having over 200 toughness on my oggy

[craggy sequoia]

how do they know

[visual stream]

When I see two poxbursters running at me the moment I get trapped

[vast basin]

they are specialized strike teams, of course they pair the ones who work well together

[visual stream]

We're special alright

[placid fiber]

Nah

I'm just dumb

[visual stream]

Where has Stan been

Or have I been unlucky

[south folio]

i eated him

[craggy sequoia]

its fun when teammates dont realize you have been trapped

the moment i hear the sound cue of a trapped-pounced teammate i start looking

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

I tried to help Clad earlier, but, I was out of it and dodged off of the ledge trying to tknife a trapper lol

[opal star]

this but while I'm in the belly of a beast of nurgle

[placid fiber]

was on the end area of one of the missions and confused af as to where I was

[red mesa]

nice ty, ill try this. I tend to ult on the reg just bc the cd from piety build is so high, but ya you're still right. the rest of them you're def right I'll think about it

[placid fiber]

if I had my thammer build I would have pulled my ranged out and autopistoled the trapper and probably saved the day lol

[light badge]

How would you nerf dueling sword?

[placid fiber]

make it do 1/10th damage

and remove uncanny

and remove precog

and remove thrust

and remove fun

Oh wait

That's fatsharks kind of thing

[light badge]

*Sweden's kinda thing

[placid fiber]

Tru

[amber igloo]

remove uncanny from the game

or hardcap rending from all sources at 30-40%

[placid fiber]

Honestly everyone want this and that nerfed

Meanwhile: Me? I just wanna have fun

[amber igloo]

I would gut the everloving shit outta rending

[placid fiber]

Fuck everyone else

[amber igloo]

armor serves no purpose

[frosty herald]

real

[amber igloo]

when you can just bypass it

[barren ember]

why i main chain eviscerator, is it good? not really. is it fun? yes

[dense field]

Armor is meant to be bypassed.

[amber igloo]

everyone just wants to have fun, onetapping crushers is not fun for me tho

it's just boring

[placid fiber]

You also have like 3k hours in this game

[amber igloo]

harmless elites just take the edge out of the game

true

[placid fiber]

Like

I don't go into ror2 saying nerf phase blast

I"m just like I'm gonna have fun

[amber igloo]

tbh, give us private modded lobbies and call it a day

the more casuals are having fun, the healthier it is for the game

and this patch is very fun

[placid fiber]

I mean I agree there needs to be some degree of balance, but, at the same time nerfing all the fun stuff just will make the game vastly less fun

[amber igloo]

but generally speaking, rending was a huge mistake

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-real-true-fact-checked-fact-gif-6343207587503842551

[amber igloo]

you have this deep layered melee system, and don't have to use 90% of it

because rending

[placid fiber]

Rending was a mistake, at the levels we get it at

[amber igloo]

yea

[placid fiber]

We get all or nothing

[amber igloo]

I'd hardcap it at 30%

[placid fiber]

Maybe make it 40% but for heavy weapons

[amber igloo]

but the game is way past that point

[placid fiber]

and 20-30% for light ones

[amber igloo]

or you know, just make it weapon specific

[obsidian prairie]

Limitless power

[placid fiber]

cause 100% rending without chastise makes chastise's rending pointless

[placid fiber]

My kinda thammer

[stone fern]

return armor downgrade to chastise

NOW

[barren ember]

how is thammer? i have never tried it. been an eveiscerator andy for so long

[placid fiber]

thammer is borderline op now

[amber igloo]

its ok

[placid fiber]

It's where it should be, tbh

[stone fern]

its fine

[amber igloo]

still sucks vs mixed horde

still the best vs monsters

[placid fiber]

It has give and take

[amber igloo]

its in a good spot

[barren ember]

what do you pair it with brauto? flamer?

[obsidian prairie]

HATE

[amber igloo]

something that can deal with dreg ragers

[gilded cedar]

Really? It had always been promising but not quite good.

[stone fern]

both good options

[amber igloo]

thammer base maniac is super low

[obsidian prairie]

Thammer is really fun now

[placid fiber]

Dear God... that made my gorgon look god-tier before I changed the blessings...

[obsidian prairie]

And Crucis doesn't feel like shit

I like it more now

the ironhelms special cleave isn't super useful

and the lights are actually good

[placid fiber]

Ironhelm has a lot more hit register problems compared to the crucis

[obsidian prairie]

Time for a stress test

Train

[placid fiber]

Like out of 20 games I used the crucis I had 0 hit register errors

[amber igloo]

once they fix the powerup global bug, and I'm not forced to run thy with hammer, it will be all that much better too

[placid fiber]

1 game I used the ironhelm I had 10+

[light basin]

Zealot = knife, most op weapon. Period.

[amber igloo]

by far

knife is the biggest crutch in the game

[placid fiber]

Which is sad, considering how stupid the rashad is

[fleet zealot]

crusher

nah

knife is a fuckin crutch agreed

[amber igloo]

a tool that lets you dictate EVERY engagement

[spare talon]

Duelling sword is currently a better knife

[fleet zealot]

also yea

[placid fiber]

Knife is literally more of a crutch than the rashad is

[fleet zealot]

dsword

LOL

[amber igloo]

not really

[spare talon]

Yes it is

[amber igloo]

knife is better unless CIVI

[gilded cedar]

I don't feel like clicking enough for knife.

[fleet zealot]

mk4 dsword mogs both knives

[placid fiber]

dsword has more range, for one thing

[fleet zealot]

it's not even close

[placid fiber]

and better horde control

[amber igloo]

huh

[fleet zealot]

more range, more damage, easier moveset

[amber igloo]

mk6 knife has much faster mixed hordeclear than a DS

[fleet zealot]

and it's still an knife

[placid fiber]

mk6 knife might do better horde clear tho

[fleet zealot]

so the horde clear is shit

anyways

[amber igloo]

DS hordeclear kinda sucks

[fleet zealot]

they both do

[placid fiber]

I'm honestly more interested in the mk2 dueling sword

[light basin]

Knife + flamer is gg

[amber igloo]

not really, mk6 knife has plenty

[placid fiber]

since they gave it a good heavy 1

[amber igloo]

mk2 is nice

I prefer it for hordeclear over 2

[polar nexus]

Taxe is actually a better... Hu wait.

[fleet zealot]

the mk6 is still far behind any of the actual horde clear focused weapons

[spare talon]

Mk6 knife cleave damage on heavies is actually terrible
Not as bad as mk3 but it's still bad

[light basin]

Horde clear = heavy sword

[amber igloo]

it has more than enough, certainly more than any DS

[placid fiber]

It's like... 6.5 right?

[light basin]

Clear everything = Rashad

[amber igloo]

@spare talon it will kill 4 with one swing

[placid fiber]

on heavies

that are cleaving

[amber igloo]

bleeds exist

[fleet zealot]

crusher imo is safer than rashad

[fleet zealot]

you are right it exists

[spare talon]

Duelling sword is also terrible at that, but it literally does everything you want the knife to do but better

[placid fiber]

crusher is safer than the rashad lol

rashad is just more brain dead

[amber igloo]

crusher is super safe, and super high dmg now

[fleet zealot]

cole is a knife addict

[amber igloo]

I love the knife, I just feel dirty using it anymore

[placid fiber]

Rashad lets you actually use brainpower to focus on what you want to hit over what attacks you want to use

[amber igloo]

so I use the ethical knife, tac2

[placid fiber]

when you have none to spare

[fleet zealot]

knife may be the most popular crutch but crusher is the crutchiest crutch you can use

[red swift]

Hmmm let's give zealot the dueling sword mk4

[fleet zealot]

without nerfing the sword!

[light badge]

Is Antax or Rashad considered better now and why?

Got the urge to play with one for Scrier's

[fleet zealot]

rashad

it has finesse

[placid fiber]

and with giving it thrust

[amber igloo]

rashad by a landslide

[fleet zealot]

antax has cleave targets

[red swift]

also with knife you are either light attacking hordes with mk 6 or light/push attacking hordes with mk III

[frosty herald]

Have you considered not breaking your legs?

[amber igloo]

rashad used to have body prio, the moment they fixed it, anthax became redundant

[placid fiber]

meanwhile antax has 50% finesse and rashad has 50% cleave targets

[frosty herald]

You dont have to use crutches that way

[fleet zealot]

antax has a better PA

[light badge]

Ah okay, so Antax for trash, and Rashad for single target?

What about the third axe?

[amber igloo]

no

always rashad

[fleet zealot]

i'm minmaxing my disabilities

[placid fiber]

bm makes the rashad clear just as well if not better than the antax

[amber igloo]

anthax has a better pushattack, that matters little to none with BM

[fleet zealot]

antax is not super behind rashad, but on scriers i would always take rashad

[light badge]

And isn't there a third axe mark?

Can't remember the name

[placid fiber]

achlys

[amber igloo]

achlyss

its dogshit

[placid fiber]

it's... pure copium

[gilded cedar]

you forgot it for a reason

[light badge]

Asschlys

[amber igloo]

even with the change

[fleet zealot]

achlys is just bad

it's like the krourk twin stubber

it's the weird child of the family

[light badge]

Is it like funny bad or just plain "why" bad

[placid fiber]

achlys is in the same place as the rashad was when it prioritized body hits over weakspot hits

[amber igloo]

you can make it work

you just have to pushattack heavy only hordes

[fleet zealot]

go ahead and use it and you'll find out quick

[amber igloo]

all the other attacks are strictly up ddown

or down up

[light badge]

I would but I'm couchlocked rn

[placid fiber]

Heavy 1 and push attack are the only horde clear on the achlys right?

[amber igloo]

achlyss have some hordeclear with H1 spam

as long as oyu have BM

but the cons far outweigh the pros

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile the 3 heavy swords perform about the same

meaning fatshark CAN balance 3 weapons of the same class...

:/

[light badge]

Is Scrier's hsword based?

It sounds based

And like it'd perform as well as DS

[fleet zealot]

except no armor pen

[placid fiber]

I feel like psyker and vet both have better ranged abilities/options for armor than zealot lol

[fleet zealot]

the ripper guns for example are all pretty good in their own scenarios

[light badge]

Doesn't the special attack do okay armor damage?

[placid fiber]

Yeah

[placid fiber]

Mid

When you have to heavy sword 4 crushers without any extra rending...

it sucks ass

with the 10% rending talent on the Vet it does much better tho

[light badge]

I just wish I had an anti-armor weapon that didn't crutch on rending

[placid fiber]

but... the heavy 1 does more damage with headtaker stacks

and the 10% rending

[frosty herald]

Pickaxe thammer powersword deimos

[placid fiber]

^

plasma as well

[amber igloo]

plasma not being a crutch

lel

[placid fiber]

plasma not relying on rending as a crutch

it's still a crutch tho

[polar nexus]

Bolter

[amber igloo]

no, the weapon itself is the crutch

much better!

[placid fiber]

eh, has rending/brittleness

[placid fiber]

I know, I stated that lol

[light badge]

Tac axes good or bad?

[placid fiber]

Mid

[frosty herald]

Does.

Not.

Crutch.

On.

Rending.

READ

[light badge]

Rendong

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/x-prixz-gif-25364849

[placid fiber]

No, but, it has some rending/brittlness which the bleed from puncture does crutch from for the bolter :3

[polar nexus]

If I see someone using it and they have a reject frame I assume it's leet player

Because they have to nerf themselves

[obsidian prairie]

Auric Exemplar everybody

[placid fiber]

I mean if they capped rending at like 20-30% for light weapons and 40% for heavy that would do a lot

[broken walrus]

Hey, its expensive to craft weapons

He might be broke

[obsidian prairie]

I severely doubt it

[placid fiber]

I'd rather die than bring that to damnation

I have standards tho lol

[woeful oyster]

Does Benediction aura stack with multiple zealots?

[placid fiber]

No

[broken walrus]

Dont think any auras stack