zealot-class

[ember yew]

i wonder if P3 Reload

is still there

[obsidian prairie]

I think

Idk you’d have to check for yourself

That’s how one of my friends beat it

[ember yew]

faq

[spare talon]

in the second locale you could find this in one of the unlockable shortcuts (in typical souls fashion) but you looked at it and went "WHAT THE FUCK" cuz its not like anything thats been in the game up to this point anywhere, cuz the only things you know about are the puppets that are rampaging
but this is forshadowing another enemy faction that youll encounter later, thats just as heavily important in the narrative that unfolds

[obsidian prairie]

My friend here got a bit goopy

And a little too attached to their surroundings

[spare talon]

but you see it and have no idea what it means, what it implies, and what it means for you as a player
but in metaphor i see that guy with the stinky triangles and i know that its probably gonna be apathy syndrome/the fog/mental shutdowns

[obsidian prairie]

I think it’s drained magla

[spare talon]

corrupted magla maybe

[obsidian prairie]

The particles are the same but inverted in color

[spare talon]

dark ether
scorn from the hit game Destiny 2: Forsaken

[obsidian prairie]

The corrupted magla crystal effigies are still a vibrant blue purple

[red mesa]

can't decide what blessings i like on boltgun
surgical pinning fire feels nice.
but so does calvacade shattering (when using it with devils claw, for example)

Part of me was wondering if pinning fire + shattering could be a good hybrid? Still ok vs armor, but also will hit better breakpoints on groups of gunners etc after staggering?

[obsidian prairie]

I think it’s either a total lack of it or anti magla or something

Imma sleep now bye

[woeful oyster]

Shattering impact and pinning fire or cavalcade. 2nd is your preference. If you use blazing piety go cavalcade.

[spare talon]

welp with that demo done
its back to zealot gaming (i now need to wait for the full release)

[red mesa]

anyone played witchfire yet? looks kinda cool

[rocky nacelle]

try shattering puncture

[rocky nacelle]

october play horor gam

[spare talon]

no

im gonna play shock maul cuz i only played it during the shooter buffs before they reverted them (agony)

but i cant decide between momentum or piety

[rocky nacelle]

isnt it ok on finesse, despite having a finesse modi

just go IJ for a test run

[rocky nacelle]

yeah I think thats ok but we're spoiled by knife and DS4

so

[spare talon]

but with piety i get funny 10s cooldown

[rocky nacelle]

piety scourge bleed smaul

[spare talon]

thats the game

very silly

[rocky nacelle]

sounds fun

but I just

need stuff that hits stupid hard

smaul doesnt have enough oomph for me to personally use

which is cringe because a knife has more oomph than a fucking club

https://tenor.com/view/autism-autism-creature-yippee-tbh-creature-gif-26771176

and by oomph I mean the impact of how it feels to use it

not how good it actually is

[red mesa]

never seen anyone suggest it, infact i never even realized bolter had puncture lol. interesting combo, ill give it a shot sounds fun.
rn this is what im rocking - perks choice bad?

havent used bolter in ages

[frosty herald]

Just use ironhelm

[red mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AKB8K3FzI

this video inspired me to learn catachan sword

[frosty herald]

Good perks

[rocky nacelle]

thats fine

perks perfect

[frosty herald]

But get shattering puncture

[rocky nacelle]

just try shatter puncture

[sick solstice]

Puncture goes thru mobs right?

[frosty herald]

Nah

Bleed

[red mesa]

but im not sure how i like double barrel with it - but i was considering bolter would be a good ranged with catachan now

[acoustic dune]

i have rizzen up

once more

[frosty herald]

Since bolter has built in rending and the bonus from brittleness bleed does full damage

[sick solstice]

Ooohhh that's nice

It makes Ragers and Maulers die faster right

[frosty herald]

And will kill a crusher stack

[sick solstice]

Im not sure whether to go Bolter Pistol or Boltgun

[frosty herald]

Boltgun

[red mesa]

this guy uses the double barrel in the video absurdly well for how he plays, but i dont like the idea of kiting armor units around the entire map to kill them like he had to. If he had a bolter and relied on his throwing knives a bit more for specials (sitting at 10+ throwing knives still shooting specials with the shotgun at times) - he would have cleared faster
but really good devil claw VII play, inspired me to learn the weapon

[dark zealot]

Bolt gun can go full auto in buildings

[frosty herald]

Boltpistol has its uses but bolter has raw power

[sick solstice]

Noice

Would be a good for for a Vet build

[red mesa]

so ya ill give puncture a shot sounds fun

[sick solstice]

I need to cosplay a Penitent with Boltpistol x Eviscerator

[red mesa]

block efficiency effects catachan parry stamina usage, correct?

probably want 3x block eff on curious and stam regen for top tier catachan parry power im guessing

[rocky nacelle]

@frosty herald

Dclaw Bolter duo

https://tenor.com/view/kakjo-gif-18746297

when

[red mesa]

3x block efficiency
3x stamina regen
3x +5% toughness? or maybe some sniper resist or something, what would you guys run last slot on curios for this build?

[frosty herald]

Mf im not using devil's claw

[rocky nacelle]

ok you use TH bolter

ill use Dclaw bolter

I was gonna suggest that first anyway

but it was worth a shot both being parry fiends

[tidal berry]

why'd you want sniper resist they're like the most telegraphed ranged enemy

[red mesa]

dclaw a weapon i was never interested in either but also why i wanna use it now, something new to master lol

[red mesa]

ya idk, sometimes i throw it in bc once in a while you get nuked randomly in a horde or something

but idk, im torn on the last curio slot recently

i think toughness stacking is fine

maybe ability cooldown 3x?

but im already crit build so

[rocky nacelle]

toughness

stam regen

2 gunners and whatever you want last

flamer or sniper

[frosty herald]

I only specialize in heavy weaponry

[rocky nacelle]

that was me

im so fucking glad

I have a heavy weapons build again

and its more than viable

it shit slaps

[red mesa]

i havent been using gunner resist in a while, but ya its still good

flamer i heard they fixed

[rocky nacelle]

yep

and they spam the fuck out of em now

• their backpacks blow up

walking barrels

[red mesa]

sometimes i wonder if corruption resistance or something to protect against the random silent pox burster, or when a teammate blows one up on you

could be good

but idk if that would just be general corruption resist?

[rocky nacelle]

you have until death

you'll be fine

and yea general corruption resist for bursters

[red mesa]

so 1 flamer resist is enough to feel like it helps?

i dont notice i get wrecked by flamers often tbh

[rocky nacelle]

I think my zealot somehow has 2 gunners 1 flamer and 1 sniper

which is fine by me

im the juggernaut

and sniper resist is a curio you never need until you need it

its one of those situations

anytime you ever get clipped somehow you're gonna be glad you had it

and id rather get clipped and lived every single time

[frosty herald]

do you run stalwart?

[rocky nacelle]

if you're asking me no

but I have to check new stalwart

[tidal berry]

I find it far more likely a revive perk on curio will save your run than a sniper resist

then again I play with actual human beings a lot (crazy)

[frosty herald]

gives like 25% toughness damage reduction when in piety

[red mesa]

oh, theres resistance against tox flamers

but not normal flamers

zzz

[rocky nacelle]

I have ally revive speed on soyker

only 1

[red mesa]

does it work for both

or nah

[rocky nacelle]

?

mine just says flamers

[rocky nacelle]

if theres an actual difference I just take flamers I dont think theres a difference with tox flamers besides armor type

which is crinfe

cause I used to think tox flamers corrupted you

(they should)

[tidal berry]

I'm annoyed that corruption has like so many different types

you can't just get a single corrupt resist stat

[red mesa]

ya should be 1 general corruption resistance

for all corruption

[tidal berry]

like I get it for wounds

[rocky nacelle]

15% corruption resist no?

theres 1 for grims and 1 for normal

[red mesa]

but ya i dont have a "flamers" resist

just tox flamers

guess thats the one

[tidal berry]

yeah, I find it quite stupid

[rocky nacelle]

they had to make the grim resist one more than the normal one

to warrant "an excuse" to choose one or the other

but I heard general corruption also effects grims

which is funny

just not as much as the actual grim one

[tidal berry]

ah

classic fatfish moment

[frosty herald]

theres 0 reason to use grim resist over normal corruption resist

[rocky nacelle]

yeah its funny

grim resist is specifically to counter grims, but normal corruption resist still counters it as well

and even more corruption sources

[red mesa]

i was using it for the event lol, honestly helped a lot.
i didn't know normal resist also worked tho

rip

[spare talon]

this game is stupid

[tidal berry]

I just believe the real reason it exists was to bloat the possible rolls for curio perks

[rocky nacelle]

noob alert

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/noob-gif-5274024

[spare talon]

i am able to more consistently maintain shock maul combos when in 3rd person vs 1st person due to animation

[frosty herald]

i know youve been here for 2 years

how do you not know this

[red mesa]

i have like 1.5k hours and hang out here all the time, consider myself a pretty knowledgeable player even tho i ask a lot of questions, just always curious in others builds/opinions.
but i had never heard both corruption resistances work on grims lmao. this game

[rocky nacelle]

its like

darekpl solz

[red mesa]

bro idk lmao

thats what im saying too haha

[spare talon]

no
its cuz the charged heavy keeps becoming a light because im not holding it long enough when it looks like i have

it just

[frosty herald]

insane

[spare talon]

fucks me up

but in third person

[rocky nacelle]

cole are u actually awake this time

I might get on

and dclaw bolter max

have some fun

[red mesa]

hah nice, do you find that combo notably better for horde clear than h2 - light - light - light - h2 repeat?

[spare talon]

like ive used dc4 and it uses the same combo
but its nowhere near this finnicky

[rocky nacelle]

(GIVE BOLTER CRIT BLESSINGS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS GRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH)

MANSTOPPER PIETY BOLTER

[frosty herald]

is the crowd combo really heavy light loop like crusher

[spare talon]

this is the first time ive used smaul since like june

[tidal berry]

I just got a sense for it over time

[red mesa]

oh its shock maul, for some reason looked like one of the crusher skins to me, but realize now its too small

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-dragon-ball-hey-no-stop-dont-do-it-just-calm-down-gif-23823773

[red mesa]

was watching on my phone lol my b

[frosty herald]

trying to not make a dick joke

[spare talon]

i am so much worse with the shock maul compared to my usual weapons

its unreal

[red mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-small-britney-britney-spears-too-small-gif-22504053

[red mesa]

thats how i feel about dclaw, almost never used them in 2 years but now imma learn it

[tidal berry]

Idk what you use besides d.claw but its particularly tough dealing with rager packs compared to that

[red mesa]

i also havent messed with the shock mauls much, are they fun?

[spare talon]

#zealot-class message
i dealt with one fine with 1 fotf here

[red mesa]

ive heard people say they like the MKIII

[spare talon]

@rocky nacelle worlds most painfully slow and painfully unimpressive clutch

[tidal berry]

try it without fotf interrupt

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[red mesa]

ya but why would you its part of the tools you have, i guess to practice it being off cd

[rocky nacelle]

I hate that if you special -> chastise, it barely does shit compared to doing that trick with an eviscerator

[red mesa]

but theres a lot of weapons i rely on a foft interrupt for a rager pack like that

[rocky nacelle]

on the smaul

[red mesa]

and honestly that shock maul killed them quick. a lot quicker than dclaw woulda without parrying

[red mesa]

ya would be a nice little buff

but i think the special isnt meant to be a big dps tool

tbh my issue with them is i dont get the special

like when would i ever want to stun myself to do bad dmg and stun 1 enemy?

lol

[frosty herald]

dodging into a crusher is nasty woork

[red mesa]

even a bulwark is like, you have other options now

[frosty herald]

i know that scared you

[rocky nacelle]

it opens bulwark shields, it stuns maulers mid overhead, and it can stun crushers (not over heading)

[spare talon]

it did

it absolutely did

i thought it was over

clutch started without until death
actual panic

[rocky nacelle]

thats why you play gunker

for these scenarios

no until death

no problem

[spare talon]

had to play so much safer

[rocky nacelle]

no nerves

[tidal berry]

point is flying over your head but I just lost interest now

who cares about rager dueling when you can just shoot them anyway

[spare talon]

many weapons are hard to fight rager packs with cuz weapons arent meant to do everything

unless youre duelling sword

[rocky nacelle]

or knife

[tidal berry]

ofc they aren't meant to do everything

[rocky nacelle]

or rashad

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gigachad-gaming-chad-walking-gif-23316752

[tidal berry]

unless its a knife, rashad, psword.. then you kinda do everything

[rocky nacelle]

only one I missed was psword

[red mesa]

nice, still unsure if special seemed worth using here tbh but it bought you some space.
what is the "CLEAVE!" addon popup, idk that one

[spare talon]

overhead within the assigned distance is occuring

tho as you can see
most of the time i ignore it

lole

[rocky nacelle]

adhd maxxing

we just like words and numbers on our screens

(we ignore 90% of them)

[frosty herald]

cole how are you stabbing that fast

is there no recovery time on heavies

[grizzled aspen]

Heavy into special, special is instant.

[rocky nacelle]

also zealot atk spd

kinography

[ember yew]

what's with the flamers discrimination

[rocky nacelle]

they all blow up the same

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[red mesa]

their presence makes us feel whole, like all the red numbers on my emails, texts, discord.....

#adhdmaxxing

[red mesa]

QQ i dont have the addon tho that modifies descriptions

tox flamers is my only option /shrug lol

trying it out tho, see if i notice a difference

i died and lost a clutch earlier tonight bc i was at 1hp, and a flamer exploded on me in melee

i was the only one alive and hadnt pulled out my ranged weapon, still unsure why he blew up

[red mesa]

probably wouldn't of saved me bc i was at 1hp, but made me realize maybe flamer resistance now could be good in general if im gonna take random melee dmg from them sometimes

[grizzled aspen]

That's wild that Melk is actually selling something worth buying.

[rocky nacelle]

cant empower to 80s

[red mesa]

my ocd would go wild over the 79's tho considering how easy it is to roll a perfect 80s now. Even tho i know it probably makes 0 difference lol

[rocky nacelle]

might get it though

cause this is my current crusher

[spare talon]

how it feels outdamagin a plasma vet, duelling sword zealot, and a trauma psyker with a weapon youre not good at

https://tenor.com/view/hotdiggedydemon-stan-twitter-angel-wings-meme-gif-7651570284153077208

also

hatred in my soul

[red mesa]

im pretty sure ds4 + everlasting flame piety zealot is like, the sweatiest/strongest overall zealot build rn. Its nuts

[lean lark]

there was one behind it

[spare talon]

no there wasnt

[south folio]

L

have you considered being better

[rocky nacelle]

sometimes

[lean lark]

there was

you just don't see it

your third eye needs opening

[south folio]

doesn't explain the sound cue though

since you only hear a single net startup noise

[spare talon]

the net visual cue also started only when that trapper began winding up before it preemptively shot

[lean lark]

(this is called desync)

[severe geyser]

Walked in on a Shocktroop gauntlet + unrelenting horde game

[rocky nacelle]

yes

[severe geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-plankton-gif-26146088

[spare talon]

yeah i know
doesnt mean that it wasnt bs

[lean lark]

should've opened your third eye

and dodged beforehand

gotta put another 2k hours into the game

my apologies

[red mesa]

i swear netters doing this to me with not enough sound queue warning are my #1 reason i go down, fuck netters

[south folio]

perfectly crafted to extract the most emotion (rage) out of you

[red mesa]

why are they so inconsistant lol

same with bursters

[lean lark]

bring back high pitched ragers

[red mesa]

"TICK TICK BOOM" out of nowhere, with no previous warning

even when i manage to react and push it off in time, im annoyed lol

like where was the fucking warning?

[south folio]

within the morphogenetic field

[rocky nacelle]

FINISH MISSION NOW @spare talon

[red mesa]

and its not rare, feel like this is happening on like an every match basis on auric

[red mesa]

theres always been the weird bug that when the director gets too hectic with spawns, certain sounds dont play

but it feels worse recently

[lean lark]

bursters have become even more desync'd since last time I played

[spare talon]

nope
im leaving this one
this is high tier stupidity

[red mesa]

EXACTLY

like, really?!

[red mesa]

see, i would play it just to see how he plays

morbid curiousity

the perks really are what does it for me

dudes a blocking machine

wish i could see his curios lol

[stone fern]

HES TONKING

[spare talon]

i can understand block eff on a psyker melee

esp knife

cuz typically its a mobility stick for them

[rocky nacelle]

I use stam regen gunker knife

I need my 2 bars up at all times

no more running, stopping and not having stamina when I need to shove a dog

[spare talon]

they typically use it to get out of melee range to swap back to staff

[red mesa]

why on the knife and not curios tho

[spare talon]

and block eff affects peril deflection

[stone fern]

i have a tonking deimos i like it

[red mesa]

ya, you can super stack it to do some cool stuff with kinetic deflection sure

[rocky nacelle]

why is maelstroms so ass...............................

and auric

aurics so ass.....

[stone fern]

............

as if we need mission select

[spare talon]

but theyre basically never using the melee
thus any damage perks would be wasted

[stone fern]

SO I DONT HAVE TO PLAY GRIMS

[spare talon]

@rocky nacelle rashad or shock maul

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-coping-kid-copekid-toxic-gif-21095905

[spare talon]

choose

[rocky nacelle]

im using dclaw

go smaul

ill go skullcrusher

👍

[spare talon]

what should i even use as a gun

ive just been using agrip

[red mesa]

ya, i guess if its a full ranged build and melee is defensive only
I just never play this way - a lot of the big dmg buffs gunker gets skriers etc applies to melee too and makes it really fun to zip around lo
melee is more fun than ranged in general imo so i always use it

[rocky nacelle]

im using a bolter

[spare talon]

cuz its the bandaid

yes but im talking independant of your build

[stone fern]

I'm gonna salt all your butter so if you ever make cookies they never turn out right

[rocky nacelle]

I like salted butter

[spare talon]

might just keep a braito

for ragers

and all that shit

[red mesa]

braito is goated always been one of my faves

[rocky nacelle]

also you need a little bit of salt when making cookie dough anyway

noob

[spare talon]

bratito

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/reigen-arataka-mob-psycho-gif-23605216

[spare talon]

agrip brapo

[grizzled aspen]

Psyker chat is fucking annoying, man.

[red mesa]

i dont find i miss the 2nd dmg blessing on it, and having inspiriring now on it is noticeable as an oh shit solution with like hammer build and some other weapons so ive been rocking deathspitter + inspiriring instead of fire frenzy

[grizzled aspen]

So is vet chat.

[rocky nacelle]

my smart siblings arent on currently

[grizzled aspen]

I swear you drop a single coherent statement and 95% of their populations turn into babbling apes.

[spare talon]

you act as if this place is any better

[rocky nacelle]

im going to listen to R&B

and play darktide now

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-dancing-hump-headphones-store-gif-8007954646833111928

[grizzled aspen]

We are silly, they are stupid. Big difference.

[rocky nacelle]

we are autistic*

[grizzled aspen]

*Acoustic.

[stone fern]

WOW

racist

[grizzled aspen]

???

[rocky nacelle]

its funny when zealot mains know more fucked up setups than soyker mains

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[modern lintel]

my Internet continues to have 44 packet loss catastrophe

[rocky nacelle]

the life of a swag min maxxer

[grizzled aspen]

Happens when every fucking build paths the exact same on zealout because fart shark can't space out good nodes.

[rocky nacelle]

fart

yep

so once zealots get some creativity

and test shit out

its funny

[ember yew]

YOU DONT LIKE THAT -20% SRPINT? how dare you

[stone fern]

MURGE THE NODES AFTER THE BLITZ

PLEASE

[ember yew]

or that martyrdom CD node

[stone fern]

MAKE THEM ONE NODE

ITS NOT THAT FUCKING HARD

[ember yew]

-20% sprint stamina -> 15% sprint speed

see that FS

ez

[stone fern]

I am angry Angry about the points

[ember yew]

well this is done so you can go into any of three

not sure how to go about that

[grizzled aspen]

I made a little post about this.

[ember yew]

maybe one node

[stone fern]

im making another

[ember yew]

and 3 lines from it

[stone fern]

they should be just one node

[grizzled aspen]

Theres several things that need to be deleted from zealout's talent tree, some talents are good and need to be moved, and some talents just need to be axes.

[stone fern]

MUH 5% MELEE DAMAGE

I DONT FUCKING CARE

SUSTAINED ASSAULT GIVES ME MORE

[grizzled aspen]

A difference that makes no difference is no difference.

[ember yew]

the fact that Martyrdom CD still exist

proves that FS dont care

[grizzled aspen]

RAAAAA CHANGE MARTYRS PURPOSE TO MELEE DAMAGE DEALT

[stone fern]

that would be too op

[grizzled aspen]

IT LITERALLY SYNERGIZES WITH THE KEYSTONE AND ISNT A ONE TIME USE

[stone fern]

nerf other cdr nodes to be as bad as martyrs purpose

[grizzled aspen]

Shut up!

The answer isn't nerfs this time! The others are just fucking shit!

And before I get some ape say something about pious cutthroat, it would be good if fart shark could fix backstab hitreg!

[ember yew]

backstab hit reg is best showcased

with backstab penance

[iron seal]

Do the candle light cosmetics still show up in first person.

[grizzled aspen]

The way to fix the other two is change martyrs purpose to be based on melee damage dealt and pious cutthroat to be based on finesse damage dealt.

[stone fern]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/tax-points-are-annoying/99738

pls upboat

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[tame mirage]

I remember when candle light actually lit up surroundings..

that was awesome tbh

[iron seal]

eugh

[iron seal]

Still begging for basic ministorum priest robes.

[stone fern]

yeah.

happened to me twice

[iron seal]

All I want.

FS pls

[tame mirage]

true

[grizzled aspen]

Have you considered just killing the chaos spawn?

[tame mirage]

chaos spawn?

[stone fern]

btw

I tried to take punishment yesterday

i legit had nightmares about how bad it was

[grizzled aspen]

I am stupid and thought that was a cspawn swinging him around.

[tame mirage]

I want this

[red mesa]

recent inquisition killteam from 40k.
Basically zealots
duel wield and polearms when fatshark? heavy bolter on ogryn too here, we have precedent for lots of other weapons they can def add and are types they've tackled before in vt/vt2.

[red mesa]

yes pls this too!

[tame mirage]

gimme a shield and some cool ass robes

[grizzled aspen]

A glaive would fuck so hard as a melee weapon.

[stone fern]

i think its time to recreate the entire warhammer 40k arsenal in darktide

except meltagun

[red mesa]

i remember people on reddit arguing "canonically ogryns wouldn't use heavy bolters bc ogryns are too brutish to use a bolter and not smash things with it, all their weapons need to be made to hit things with. bolters are sacred and wouldn't be given to an ogryn"

i remember this argument being thrown around a good bit

well theres an official 40k model with an ogryn heavy bolter lol

pls fatshark

[tame mirage]

the darktide heavy evi isnt even an evi...

[red mesa]

ya its a bit smaller

[frosty herald]

This killteam is straight up darktide

[stone fern]

/kick psyker wont stop smyking pls kick

[tame mirage]

true

[tidal berry]

yeah I kinda want this for all the 3 classes with nades, don't care about psyker

[stone fern]

blitzes for psyker are a bigger deal than for zealot it makes sense for some paths to be more expensive

[tidal berry]

I just wish you could pick whatever grenade with whatever build

[stone fern]

those 3 points (and the ones after aura) make no sense

[tidal berry]

the psyker stuff is different

[stone fern]

ye

i got pushed into stuns in a build but now i like them

[grizzled aspen]

Also the one before duellist/until death, that one isn't even a fucking talent.

It's a shitty passive.

[stone fern]

kek yeah lmao

i mentally tuned it out

ok we gotta focus our efforts and shitpost on the forum about tax nodes

from what one of the cms said ""I’ve been keeping an eye on the Mission Select feedback for awhile. But whenever I’ve seen it posted since I’ve joined the team last year, it’s often by the same people, and there isn’t much engagement. The rest of the community doesn’t seem to engage. (I’ve still shared it with the team, though!)""

[tidal berry]

I'd take stuns over smokes

[stone fern]

apparently we just need to shitpost about something to get some eyes on it

[tidal berry]

I have hated smokes since like day one lmao

doesn't matter how much they buff it

I just hate them

[stone fern]

smokes ruin the game for everyone

vet needs the same treatment for sure

[tidal berry]

sometimes I want to make funny builds with serrated blade and shredders

and the tax for all the travel is insane

[frosty herald]

Smokes are useless unless they completely disable shooter ai when you stand in the cloud

[tidal berry]

they kind of do that now no?

[stone fern]

vet has so many grenade notes it doesnt make sense for them to punish picking the left or right ones

[stone fern]

I have seen exactly 2 good usages of smokes

in all my time

and both of those usages were not needed because we had cover

[tidal berry]

the grenade regen node (the op one) is also right above VoC which has been a main part of why that build path is so strong

[frosty herald]

every time i saw smokes used they did fuck all

[stone fern]

oh no they do something

[tidal berry]

its like discount psyker bubble

[stone fern]

they turn the modifier into vent purge

[lean lark]

You can make people think there's a dh nearby with it

psychological warfare

[tidal berry]

funnily enough your visibility is better inside the smoke as opposed to staring at it from outside

[stone fern]

you know what

fuck it give vet mines instead of smokes

or breaching charges

[frosty herald]

now this is a genuinely good idea

mines or remote charges

[tidal berry]

vet mines or Idk melta bombs or something

[acoustic dune]

vet mines aye

[tidal berry]

would fit the theme so much more too

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-die-death-murder-friendly-fire-gif-27571706

[acoustic dune]

i wanna see that

[lean lark]

shock grenades on vet

[acoustic dune]

imagine putting down mines

[stone fern]

EMP grenades

[frosty herald]

impact shock grenades

[stone fern]

they do zero damage

[frosty herald]

fellas are we cooking

[stone fern]

hell yeah

[acoustic dune]

thats the flashbang

[stone fern]

flashbang does damage

[acoustic dune]

thats litterally the flashbang from zealy

[lean lark]

no just the shock grenades from sm2 on vet

[stone fern]

psychout grenades

they just kill the psyker on the team

[rocky nacelle]

mmmm

bolter dclaw

feels so good

actually feels like a real build compared to before

[spare talon]

outdamaged
outlooted
outbusinessmanned
outskilled
@rocky nacelle

[rocky nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1202399927322419230.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[frosty herald]

i would adore satchel charges or mines on vet

[rocky nacelle]

I wanted to fight that 2nd DH

but ngl I have not practiced fighting DH with a dclaw

[frosty herald]

it would perfectly fit with infiltrate

[rocky nacelle]

but its just parry spam

lmfao

[spare talon]

i saw the 2 mutants spawn at the same time

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-at-each-other-huang4evr-gif-23515088

literally us

[spare talon]

and it was literally the game going
"nuh uh"

[rocky nacelle]

the fucking

second I got in the fog range

of that DH

2 muties instantaneously from the fog

nope

we're leaving

https://tenor.com/view/were-leaving-leaving-leave-left-event-horizon-gif-26732665

[rocky nacelle]

also WHERE THE FUCK IS OUR DCLAW SKIN

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

the mastery and nox one are nice though

[frosty herald]

personally i wouldnt have even gone near the host

[spare talon]

we're trolling so hard

[rocky nacelle]

red vs blue

[frosty herald]

get weapon customization dickhead

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-meme-no-cat-no-cat-nuh-uh-nuh-uh-gif-5478596456695677807

[frosty herald]

ngl

i did a massive goof earlier

[rocky nacelle]

also dclaw bolter is kino

I need to do puncture shattering

over puncture pinning

[frosty herald]

i muscle memoried into spamming m1 on a grimoire to make my dude edge

[rocky nacelle]

or im using shattering pinning

rn

[spare talon]

goblino dodge

[frosty herald]

cause you get damage voicelines when you m1 a grim

[rocky nacelle]

I thought you were gonna do the straight dodge back one

[frosty herald]

i picked up a medkit and instantly pressed m1 lmao

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao

weave back

[spare talon]

dude i actually have to pay attention when using shock maul combos

its so cringe

[frosty herald]

bro does not have double quickstep😂

[rocky nacelle]

not enough 💴

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-majima-tigerdrop-kiwami-gif-22295250

[spare talon]

https://youtu.be/xJIS3KjinPc?si=4OjXN--xe43TBETS

im going to be capped again soon

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-majima-goro-majima-kazuma-kiryu-gif-23878198

[spare talon]

and i wont have anything left to gamble on

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-kiryu-vs-majima-kiryu-fight-kiryu-fighing-against-majima-kiryu-fights-majima-gif-25387464

[rocky nacelle]

actual peak

[spare talon]

@rocky nacelle

we dont need boss damage

cuz

https://tenor.com/view/were-just-gonna-kill-em-gif-11132724

[frosty herald]

not a single dynamic intro will top this one

[rocky nacelle]

if only void captains didnt shoot and melee'd all the time

so I can dclaw their shield

[spare talon]

groaners

parry them

[rocky nacelle]

true

[dark zealot]

Zealot gaming

Everyone else gets the fun stuff the cool stuff

But we get funny chain weapons

And flamer

[rocky nacelle]

oh no stealth zealot is useless

https://tenor.com/view/ed-edd-and-eddy-bruh-seriously-your-joking-bruh-you-kidding-gif-19353283

[tame mirage]

y

[spare talon]

day 18547 of asking fatshark to make trappers unable to shoot through a billion enemies

[rocky nacelle]

im about to path towards sainted gunslinger

they dont want the bolter zealot build

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-366884463840825135

[teal sapphire]

what's the best blessing for the bolter rifle besides puncture? :p

[tame mirage]

has everyone here seen the astartes animation?

[rocky nacelle]

ill blame that on me cause I got out

then crab dodged sideways to where there was no railing

from a mutie and trapper

[spare talon]

i shouldnt be able to be trapped by a trapper that i am unable to have line of sight with

[rocky nacelle]

ok forbidden sin time dropping faithful frenzy and TWBS path to get to sainted gunslinger

[spare talon]

i looped back around cuz i assumed some enemies would follow you and i could save this guy

but nope! there were MORE!!

[rocky nacelle]

yep thats why I immediately left

it was just gonna get too flooded without a flamer

or bolter to clear

I had to reload

[spare talon]

this is utter bullshit though

[frosty herald]

sainted gunslinger bolter would be hella funny

[spare talon]

phased through a horde, 2 ragers and 2 bulwarks to trap me

[rocky nacelle]

im going to do it with dclaw piety

right now

[frosty herald]

just full on ranged bolter build

[rocky nacelle]

wait fuck

I NEED DANCE OF DEATH

sustained assault

forgive me

[grizzled aspen]

Just drop the 10% crit bonus on piety for it.

[quiet spruce]

can they also instantly kill randoms who spam ping every little thing even the same enemy

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/iduh-showtime-im-dying-up-here-bitch-better-have-my-money-bbhmm-gif-8898549

outlooted

[rocky nacelle]

I could drop crit

yeah I always drop that node actually when im taxxing

sustained assault return to me

waiter more dakka please

[lean lark]

mythical hsword pull in pub

[copper hawk]

Noobs

[sour oxide]

hey

that hurts

[copper hawk]

GOOD

trauma ur the NOOBIEST NOOB 2 ever fall out of a NOOB tree..

[sour oxide]

well saves me a christmas card this year.

[copper hawk]

Noobsmas card

[sour oxide]

your loss

[copper hawk]

Wait y r u thinkin about crimas card in glooptober

Wow. Noob behavior,, real noob behavior,,

Ur not gonna defeat the noob allegationz,,

[sour oxide]

Birthday invite revoked, missing out on a moon bounce

[copper hawk]

Im makin a callout post on my twitter dot com 2 all my chuddies.. ur so baka chungus'd..

[shy kestrel]

How viable is Pious Cut-Throat in practice?

In Psykanium it seems super good but I feel like in practice it's a lot harder to make use of.

[sour oxide]

it works, but not as effective as crit increase cooldown reduction

[elfin zephyr]

you can push enemies and move a bit aside to hit their backs

[shy kestrel]

Well, you can have both theoretically

[sour oxide]

since most mobs wont give you their back unless its @copper hawk

this is true. my fotf has both

[rocky nacelle]

ive never melted a void captain shield faster

https://tenor.com/view/bolter-warhammer40k-space-marine-imperial-navy-adeptus-astartes-gif-16790417

best meme ive ever made up

unironically very fun lmfao

[shy kestrel]

fotf?

[spare talon]

fury of the faithful

[sour oxide]

• IJ

[spare talon]

@rocky nacelle

[copper hawk]

WOW

i mean true but

WOW !!

[shy kestrel]

Gotcha. Anywhere I can find good builds btw?

[spare talon]

this server

[copper hawk]

It's a hard economy now trauma,,

[spare talon]

gameslantern is almost always a losing gamble

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-staring-at-someone-gif-24012300

freak ass cica

[copper hawk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cdd48ed-0692-43b4-a88a-0c170a943828/gnarpful-in-nature-crusher-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cdd452a-1258-427a-81cf-7b1b55bc8e82/moldnificent-taxe-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[rocky nacelle]

dude

[sour oxide]

I mean you gotta make a living

[rocky nacelle]

I was not expecting to be hit by the explosion

I shoved and slid back in tandem

lmfao

[spare talon]

full to nothing

[sour oxide]

most sweaty clutch(s) in a single run. long vid but worth. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2268114222

[copper hawk]

Swap maniacs on the taxe to unarmored

[shy kestrel]

Thanks

[copper hawk]

If u want

[rocky nacelle]

yeah they launched me off the map

[copper hawk]

Yah surfing just vome here for a build

For most classes

[shy kestrel]

I kinda want just generally good talent builds that I can pop whatever weapons fit into them

[copper hawk]

We've been playing a long time - like, too long

GL has some straight slop lmfao

We'll straight up just make u a build w w/e u wanna run

Dont be afraid 2 ask even when we're shitposting

[sour oxide]

hey those GL builds put their sweat and tears into clicking those buttons

[rocky nacelle]

@spare talon instant 0

[spare talon]

thats this one

this is the anything build

[copper hawk]

Yep

That build is bog standatd

Standard*

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-falling-fallen-kingdom-fallen-kingdom-gif-6774652182841014167

[copper hawk]

Meow, cole, para, and Dorn r like some of the best players ever

Ask any of them if u need advice

Even if they're noobs..

[rocky nacelle]

cica loves me after all

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[copper hawk]

Ur my biggest op

[shy kestrel]

Well I have 5 builds slots so I kinda wanna have at least a build for each ability, and then a couple more specialized stuff

[rocky nacelle]

😇 🧡

[copper hawk]

U the goku 2 my vegeta

[shy kestrel]

Thank you!

[spare talon]

you can also alter it into this for any weapon with additional crit chance like knife or a crit blessing like dclaw

[copper hawk]

What wpns do u enjoy using the most ?

[vague depot]

Hadouken

[sour oxide]

I use that for pretty much any weapon except knife

[elfin zephyr]

how exactly does pinning fire work on the bolt gun? does it reset on reload?

[copper hawk]

Z + P

[elfin zephyr]

to lazy to buy one

[rocky nacelle]

bolter maxxing on train

is peak

bolter maxxing in general is peak

also cole how did you die

I saw you get trapped

[spare talon]

and you can alter it further for crit cdr
both still using a weapon with additional crit chance

[rocky nacelle]

but couldnt make it with this slow ass build lmfao

[sour oxide]

cole has to fight the ladies (with the nets) off with a stick (bolter)

[spare talon]

i got trapped falling to the lower floor
pulled me up to the upper floor where there was tox gas

[shy kestrel]

I honestly like almost all of them.

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-4081464694509837388

[spare talon]

gaming

[rocky nacelle]

your bolter is wrong tho

but dclaw bolter duo

gaming

https://tenor.com/view/jotakak-jotaro-kakyoin-jojo's-jojo-gif-4977820327371807163

[spare talon]

yeah i made this before people did puncture testing

i need to change it

[rocky nacelle]

dude this bolter setup is insane

[spare talon]

i just went with bog standard at that point

[vague depot]

What zealot weapons would be fast enough to warrant taking crit cdr

[rocky nacelle]

and speccing for it with gunslinger and DoD

is hilarious

lmfao

[vague depot]

I was told it wasn’t a good idea on evis since it was slow or something like that

[sour oxide]

tac axe, dagger, ds

[rocky nacelle]

mk15/dagger/taxes/DS

[spare talon]

any with additional crit

evis is good with it now as long as it has shred

[frozen glen]

any weapon works with it now

[sour oxide]

gray crusher

[vague depot]

I think I put rampage and shred on my evis

Or was it rampage and bloodthirsty idr

[sour oxide]

you can put whatever your hearts lil desire now

[vague depot]

My heart desires green circles

[shy kestrel]

Huh, don't you want Piety for crit build?

[spare talon]

piety is more for a crit build on a weapon without a crit blessing/innate crit

[sour oxide]

you crit too much crit with your piety crit you shouldn't crit so much crit

[vague depot]

Can I run martyrdom instead of whatever that right side talent was called

Momentum or whatever

[shy kestrel]

Hmm, I see. So like, for a Double Barrel build?

[copper hawk]

Taxe, dagger, ds, hs (meme build), dclaw

[spare talon]

yea

[sour oxide]

yeah IJ is where teh spice is

[frozen kernel]

speed*

[shy kestrel]

So this would be a standard crit build then, right?
For d-claw/knife/taxe

[grizzled aspen]

I LOVE WATCHING THE SHROUDFIELD ZEALOUT USE HIS ULT TO DO 3 WHOLE DAMAGE BECAUSE HES TOO SHORT TO HEADSHOT THE PLOGRYN INSTEAD OF HELPING ME BACK OVER THE RAILING AFTER HE FUCKING BARRELED ME

[spare talon]

this is what im using with dclaw at this exact moment

[teal sapphire]

what blessings/perks should I run on heavy evis?

[grizzled aspen]

I run flak unyielding rampage shred.

[shy kestrel]

Gotcha lol. Would it also work with hsword?

[grizzled aspen]

Some would argue to use carapace damage but I use the chastise trick for crushers.

[shy kestrel]

Or should that stick to the 'anything' build

[grizzled aspen]

Stick with the base anything build for hsword.

It isn't a crit weapon.

Crit weapons have access to crit blessings.

[spare talon]

youd need piety for that since hsword works best with dblow headtaker

[dark zealot]

Just crit anyway

[shy kestrel]

Gotcha gotcha

[rocky nacelle]

mk15 BT

[grizzled aspen]

Brute forcing crits is icky and stinky unless you're playing rogue trader.

[rocky nacelle]

only crit it needs

[grizzled aspen]

Mk3 is still the better model.

[dark zealot]

True

[rocky nacelle]

its not

lmfao

[dark zealot]

Or warframes

They crit anyway

[rocky nacelle]

mk3 needs some tweaks

[grizzled aspen]

It is the better model, moveset wise.

[rocky nacelle]

thats preference

the point of all marks

[grizzled aspen]

Just a tweak to its damage and itll sweep the mk15 out of the water.

[rocky nacelle]

lmao

[grizzled aspen]

(I am coping)

[rocky nacelle]

we know

at least the evisc users know

[vague depot]

Forgot if I asked this before how can I improve this

I’m using eviscerator 15

[rocky nacelle]

we have space marines 2 at home

https://tenor.com/view/wh40k-bolter-gif-13397108

[grizzled aspen]

I fucking HATE bulwarks.

[frosty herald]

why did bro not fire instantly

[spare talon]

ok well my game crashed

[acoustic dune]

funny shield ogryn

[spare talon]

and its 5 am

[grizzled aspen]

In the mission where I got thrown off the edge just a minute ago there were 3 bulwark packs on top of each other.

[spare talon]

and i work tomorrow so thats prolly it for me

[rocky nacelle]

ggz cole

[grizzled aspen]

12 fucking bulwarks right next to a dh spawn.

[rocky nacelle]

bolter dclaw supremacy

me thinks

just make dclaw do more flak damage

and I can run maniac unyield

pls obese whale

[vague depot]

Dclaw has a parry right

How useful is it

[rocky nacelle]

only one in the game

[rocky nacelle]

@spare talon

[grizzled aspen]

Insanely good.

[rocky nacelle]

while cole gets clips

long story short

Dclaw can save you from crusher/mauler overheads

which are coded as unblockables

and you can 1 shot crushers with a parry

[grizzled aspen]

You can shut off entire rager packs if you've got the stamina and if you're using chastise you can 1shot carapace, too.

[rocky nacelle]

yeah rager packs turn into parry bait

for free

[red mesa]

what are the more soloable friendly missions?

[teal sapphire]

dclaw was the first melee i maxed out and I realized fast the parry was OP. was mad disappointed to see it's the only weapon with a parry lol

[rocky nacelle]

having stamina curios helps if you wanna run dclaw

I always run 1 +3 as zealot

comfortable for everything

[grizzled aspen]

Same.

Zealout hive mind moment.

[teal sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[rocky nacelle]

the only thing I run thats different from all my loadouts is 2 wounds 1 toughness

but martyrdom is kinda power crept

cause of IoD buff

[grizzled aspen]

1 stam 1 toughness 1 hp for every build but martyrdom.

[rocky nacelle]

so

feels bad for marty enjoyers

[copper hawk]

Insanely noob

[red mesa]

im not sure ive hit a 1 shot, do you need + carapace dmg + foft use?

[grizzled aspen]

Martyrdom gets 3 wounds or 2 wounds 1 toughness.

[grizzled aspen]

Just fotf.

[shy kestrel]

Why do all the builds sent here use throwing knives btw?

[rocky nacelle]

just parry pop chastise and headshot

[grizzled aspen]

The rending lets you aim the headshot.

[grizzled aspen]

Point taxes.

[copper hawk]

A couple of reasons

[rocky nacelle]

most versatile blitz for zealot and the nodes on the path towards it are arguably some of our best

[grizzled aspen]

Second wind is utterly broken.

[copper hawk]

Point economy and versatile

That's it

[sour oxide]

get rid of bleed for the emp and duelist and move those points over to backstabber and blood redemption

[copper hawk]

The tknives are fantastic

It kills nearly all specials in one hit on a headshkr

Headshor

[vague depot]

Wait so im just guessing here but dclaw parry basically lets you negate a single attack and return it to sender?

[copper hawk]

FUCK

Headshot

The headshot hb is deceptively large

[sour oxide]

throwing knives w/ uncanny might as well be a 3rd weap

[copper hawk]

Yerp

[grizzled aspen]

The only specialist it won't 1tap stock is mutants.

[copper hawk]

And it stacks w some blessings

[shy kestrel]

Theoretically if you could get swap the places of tknives and one of the other blitzes, would you?

[grizzled aspen]

But you can hit that bp with some weapon blessings.

[rocky nacelle]

tknives also get buffed by your range weapons which can lead to memes like this

[copper hawk]

Nope

[grizzled aspen]

No, I'd rather move the talents above it around so you don't have point taxes.

[acoustic dune]

does anyoneknow when is the next pooptide update

[sour oxide]

never they are engrained in my combos

[copper hawk]

Meow had this idea and I agree but, I would replace all the other blitzes with some other kind of knife

The other grenades are ass

[dark zealot]

So is the flame shotgun still the best version for us or?

[copper hawk]

Fire that doesnt damage armor

And one that doesnt do damage

[lean lark]

stupid idea

[copper hawk]

Worst smite

Yah i know u hate Meow

Yaaaawn

[sour oxide]

same

[grizzled aspen]

Immolation grenades are great, wtf are you talking about???

[copper hawk]

[rocky nacelle]

immo grenades are good (zealot is a walking immo grenade though), stun nades are goated (but if you have to use stun nades that means the run is probably going to shit, Tknives save grenades for your team mates/get replenished along with your secondary/ and are faster to pull out and snipe any elite or special you fight besides a mutie

[shy kestrel]

Stunstorm is pretty good imo. Guaranteeing 1-2 revives is nice in my experience

[sour oxide]

grenades are good when they are throwing knives

[copper hawk]

I dont like fighting between the other classes with better grenades for grenades

[grizzled aspen]

So then you agree that they aren't bad, the other grenades are just better.

Good.

[vague depot]

The stun grenade is cool and all but the ogryn has a pocket nuke

[rocky nacelle]

no one says our grenades are bad they're just so fucking mid

compared to everyone elses

and Tknives

its pointless

[copper hawk]

I use tknives constantly; I cant get half the same usefulness out of the grenades the same way I do tknives

[lean lark]

bad armor damage

[grizzled aspen]

That comes with the territory of having a regenerating blitz.

[copper hawk]

Like why bother using smoke grenades or shredder if ur not exploiting

[shy kestrel]

Wow the parry truly requires no timing lol

[rocky nacelle]

it only requires timing on overheads

from maulers/crushers

[grizzled aspen]

You can't really compare tknives to grenades.

[sour oxide]

plus its like +100 style points when you throw a hail mary tknife and clip a sniper in silence.

get to hear his lil scream

[lean lark]

"worse smite" lets you do everything while everyone is stunned instantly

[grizzled aspen]

The closest thing you can fairly compare tknives to is assail.

[spare talon]

if you watch the last video there, that requires 150ms timing

[shy kestrel]

Does the dclaw parry have any talent/blessing tax to make it effective?

[rocky nacelle]

manstopper your way towards him

[vague depot]

I’m gonna go make a dclaw build

[red mesa]

im not 1 shotting

[grizzled aspen]

Grab duellist, that's it.

[lean lark]

the brainrot is terminal here im afraid

[spare talon]

you dont have duellist procced

[shy kestrel]

Why, couldn't you have parried sooner?

[lean lark]

😔 ✊

[spare talon]

overheads require perfect parries

[shy kestrel]

Ahhhh didn't know that

[spare talon]

otherwise it will instabreak your stamina and not do the riposte

[grizzled aspen]

I'm a fh player, this is easy.

[shy kestrel]

So what's a good build for double barrel manstopper? And what melee goes well with it?

[spare talon]

which is a death sentence if youre fighting multiple crushers

[rocky nacelle]

I was going to post mine

but its bolter spec'd

so

kek

[vague depot]

Ah thanks

[grizzled aspen]

Generic everything build with crusher, imo.

[rocky nacelle]

🤙

[red mesa]

i was wondering if you also need duelist, ok

[copper hawk]

Do u need to time the parry w crushers

[rocky nacelle]

if you wanna use funny crit DBarrel and still be effective against literally everything else

combine it with a DS4

[shy kestrel]

The everything build doens't use piety though?

[copper hawk]

Like if u last minute parry a crusher does it do anything

[sour oxide]

I just found out I have a belly button

[grizzled aspen]

Don't need it.

[rocky nacelle]

yes cica

I just said this

[spare talon]

#zealot-class message

[red mesa]

ya duelist does it

[grizzled aspen]

Scattershot go brrr.

[copper hawk]

How does it even work

[rocky nacelle]

overheads from maulers/crushers need to be actual "perfect" parries

parry right before getting hit

it takes no stamina

[grizzled aspen]

@copper hawk for honor?

[rocky nacelle]

and you'll have full stam

[shy kestrel]

Huh gotcha. So jsut use everything build with whatever melee because it's everything

[copper hawk]

Does the parry negate all damage if you parry like at the last moment

How big is that window

[rocky nacelle]

parry negates all damage normally anyway iirc

[copper hawk]

It cant be 150 ms

[rocky nacelle]

literally only have to time on crusher/mauler

[spare talon]

bear in mind, the psyk is weird and counts duellist as procced the moment before the damage hits
so in my video i dont proc it beforehand, but in an actual game i would have to
it NEARLY oneshots without it with 15 stacks of momentum tho so its whatever

[grizzled aspen]

Yup. WE LOVE HAVING TO USE THE SAME FUCKING BUILD FOR EVERYTHING!

[copper hawk]

That's almost as fast as human reaction time

Like process time for a human being

[rocky nacelle]

if you fuck up parrying against overheads from maulers/crushers

[paper harness]

It’s 200ms

[rocky nacelle]

you get stam/guard broken

[paper harness]

Lag compensation

[spare talon]

i am stupid
but i was close

unless they changed it

[grizzled aspen]

Average human reaction time is 300ms.

[shy kestrel]

Lol. So consensus is other talent nodes need buffing? Or moving around stuff?

[rocky nacelle]

you eat alot of stamina shit when messing up parries on overheads

[grizzled aspen]

Both.

[spare talon]

but you also anticipate it

youre not reacting to it

[grizzled aspen]

Lots of talents are bad, many require point taxes and need moved.

[paper harness]

Tree needs to be completely reworked

[copper hawk]

Yerp

Or mostly reworked

[paper harness]

Second wind can not be where it is

[sour oxide]

perfect perry feels like https://youtu.be/JzS96auqau0?t=30

[rocky nacelle]

@shy kestrel

[grizzled aspen]

Red needs to be scrapped, yellow needs reworked, blue needs moved.