zealot-class

[rocky nacelle]

💅

[grizzled aspen]

This is definitely a take.

[copper hawk]

Yah

Elliot is truthing

[dark zealot]

nah buff zealot

[copper hawk]

Except for Ogryn

[ocean geode]

I hate stalkers more

[grizzled aspen]

Zealout is just as broken as the other classes, it's just harder to make broken.

[copper hawk]

Which means half the roster is buffed like crazy

[spare talon]

ogryn is the least op class rn

[plucky gate]

I don't even think it's harder to make zealot broken

[copper hawk]

Nah Vet and Psyker are broken Frog

[grizzled aspen]

True, and it's mainly because of their size.

[dark zealot]

I would ask about heavy sword but im guessing no one plays that anyway lol

[copper hawk]

Zealot is fairly balanced and Ogryn is very balanced

[rotund shoal]

its decently popular

[dark zealot]

psyker is just freaky

kill the witch

[grizzled aspen]

They suffer the same issue of point taxes that zealout does on top of being hard to position

[copper hawk]

HS VII with DB and HT

[sullen forge]

Im a veteran main, I hate that my class just mogs Zealot at times

[copper hawk]

Flakiac

[ocean geode]

Ya like jazz?

[sullen forge]

Zealot is going to get a rework probably causing them to be powercrept forward

im calling it

[elfin steppe]

They are fine, they don't find covers or shoot you at close range.

[copper hawk]

Yerp

[sullen forge]

and Dorn is NOT going to be happy

[grizzled aspen]

Lots of heavy sword users here. (it literally came from our class give us some credit)

[elfin steppe]

The dreg shooters though

[rotund shoal]

zealot with a mobility weapon is already ridiculously hard to kill

[copper hawk]

Dreg shooters dont bug me much

Stalkers piss me off

[rotund shoal]

to op levels

no need to buff

[dark zealot]

head taker, deathblow?

[copper hawk]

Yup

[sullen forge]

Hi, Veteran that stole it off the dead decaying corpse of a Zealot here

[grizzled aspen]

Stalkers are fine.

[sullen forge]

good weapon

[dark zealot]

im a zealot main calm down

[copper hawk]

I think all shooters are fine

[dark zealot]

i just stopped using that ages ago

[grizzled aspen]

They have the least hp of all the shooters, iirc.

[copper hawk]

Stalker is just the most annoying

[ocean geode]

I also don't understand beef with shooters, they are annoying and dangerous on masse, yes, but stalkera on tha same quantity is like 2 times worse

[copper hawk]

I wish they'd just fix the spanws,,

[grizzled aspen]

But dreg shooters are fucking tanks for no reason.

[copper hawk]

Yah stalkers r gnarly

[sullen forge]

Im the veteran main

[dark zealot]

yes

[copper hawk]

Their fire and maneuver ability lets them mow you down

[dark zealot]

face the wall

[sullen forge]

Nope

[ocean geode]

More flak on melee then

[grizzled aspen]

I've had dreg shooters survive being hit with my crusher.

[dark zealot]

[copper hawk]

Cuz ur noob frog

Cuz ur noob..

[elfin steppe]

Ok. I will explain.

[ocean geode]

Yeah this is a bit annoying, but just charge heavy to x1 thrust

[grizzled aspen]

Inb4 wall of text.

[dark zealot]

are the new crusher blessings any good?

[copper hawk]

Slaught is good

That's it

[elfin steppe]

Stalkers always try to engage in melee once you get close, but dreg shooters will try to stay away while shooting you, so if you dive stalkers they will instantly stop shooting you.

[rocky nacelle]

what is a dreg stalker

[elfin steppe]

But shooters, they just keep shooting you.

[rocky nacelle]

are they the hooded ones

or the ones with their eyes covered

[copper hawk]

All shooters seem to drop melee at roughly the same rate ive noticed

The ones that run to cover the most are scab shooters lol

They'll retreat and take cover as soon as u engage them

[elfin steppe]

No, the scab shooters won't behave like this.

[copper hawk]

Dreg shooters stand in the open and do the walk/shoot thing

[elfin steppe]

Only dreg shooters

[misty nova]

All little dreg shooters
Like Scabs have shooters and stalkers

[copper hawk]

I think they do

[dark zealot]

so slaughterer and?

[misty nova]

Skullcrusher

[copper hawk]

Shooting at scabs as a vet u notice they bail to cover

[ocean geode]

Shooters still drop ranged when you close enough, a bit closer than stalkera, yes, but again they have lower damage potential than stalkera and they are not that annoyingly shitty

[copper hawk]

Only ones i notice dont take cover are Stalkers

They walk out to engage you like shotgunners

[rocky nacelle]

oh are they just the same thing just "technically" named different

[tame mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/run-bird-stare-gif-26078678

[sullen forge]

Stalkers tend to have a higher resistance to suppression

[copper hawk]

Yah

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/critter-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-bird-peculiar-creature-gif-25199506

[elfin steppe]

The dreg shooters will try to start shooting once you pull your distance slightly away, other shooters don't do that.

[copper hawk]

What i have an issue w w dreg shooters if i had to complain isnt their lack of melee cuz they seem to melee as soon as most

Stalkers will shoot you if you break out of melee

[dark zealot]

what about thunderous and opportunist meme machine?

[copper hawk]

W dreg shooters

Scabs just chase u yah

[ocean geode]

You literally have scab shooters in first basic training, when games teaches you that enemies drop ranged fire and prefer melee when you are close

[copper hawk]

W their bayo

But dreg shooters NEVER miss

All their shots will hit regardless of distance in a burst

Scab shooters, trained guardsmen, DO miss

[ocean geode]

I teached a new player today so I remember

[copper hawk]

They shoot kind of wildly in their 3 shot or 4 shot bursts

At a distance they probably won't hitbu

Hit u*

I wish the dreg shooters were programmed with more spread to their shots

Instead of using laserbeam autoguns and the scabs using autogun laserbeams

[dark zealot]

combat axe?

[elfin steppe]

You know what's funny, they will instantly stop firing when you slide dodge and instantly start firing when your small dodge window is gone.

[dark zealot]

decimator headtaker?

[copper hawk]

Rashad is best, Brutal Meowmentum and HT

Flakiac

Rashad is busted because of BM

Use BM on every axe to quadruple your damage output

Doctors hate him

Fun fact, w wpn specialist and the rending talents, a vet can two shot crushers w the rashad

Now u know

[ocean geode]

I experienced that shit today with stalker - I see a red flash from muzzle -> I do a slide dodge -> He stops firing -> I stand up -> I see another flash and he now starts to fire

[copper hawk]

Full stacks of hter, full stacks of marty a zeal takes 6 hits

[copper hawk]

Yah

[ocean geode]

This one of the biggest bullshits that I have seen

[elfin steppe]

Besides, three shots are enough to break your toughness.

[copper hawk]

Or you dodge and they hit you with the last few bullets

[dark zealot]

axe?

[copper hawk]

Atrox II is the one i use

BM and HT

Taxes are a crit weapon so they benefit from piety

[median steeple]

did you guys know?

I hate this stupid ass system so much

[copper hawk]

Just dont click the forward arrow

Click the backwards arrow

[elfin steppe]

The game punishes melee classes heavily.

[sullen forge]

The fuck is Forwarding and why does it exist

[misty nova]

Like the small dregs don't really have differences
Scab shooter and scab stalkers are different though

[copper hawk]

Lmfao i wouldnt say so

The game is mostly a melee game

Range classes can still dive shooters

[ocean geode]

Controversial

[dark zealot]

run away?

[copper hawk]

Only ogryn is punished by shooters

His bull charge doesnt give i frames

Because... yeah

Chastise does though, and tness

Great for engaging shooters

[ocean geode]

Yes but I'm a bit too fat Sah, it mostly tickles

[copper hawk]

Vet is Vet

An ogryn w no tness in front of shooters at like 20 meters is a rough spot to be

A zealot that's trivial

A vet that's trivial

[winter lava]

what about chain axe?

[elfin steppe]

Vet exists. And Psyker just joined the OP club.

[copper hawk]

A psyker maybe trivial

[ocean geode]

Vet is "POOT THE KARKIN BOOT IN" Every 25 seconds

[copper hawk]

LMFAO

I run executioner in pubs and kill shooters/gunners first before I dive to melee

[elfin steppe]

Have you seen the damn scoreboard I posted yesterday?

[little thicket]

I dont think this patch significantly buffed psyker, but more just diversified psyker.

[rocky nacelle]

cica was doing his las turret cosplay last night

[copper hawk]

Noh

[rocky nacelle]

sitting in the back and sniping everything

[copper hawk]

Erm ?

Who's gonna tell them ,,

[sullen forge]

Nope it made Soyker fucking busted

[ocean geode]

I think gunsker is really OP now

[copper hawk]

Yah gunker is nuts

[broken walrus]

You mean assail psyker

[little thicket]

Gunker was nuts before this patch

[copper hawk]

Assail has always been good

[sullen forge]

Spam M1 Staff Soyker that outdamages the entire team combined

[copper hawk]

Not really

[ocean geode]

Yeah that's the point

[sullen forge]

yeah thats completely fair and balanced

[copper hawk]

Yeaaaaah m1 is nuts

Purg is fucking broken

[little thicket]

Its just a different variant of gunker that can now be ran

[misty nova]

Well uh, assail shouldn't pierce that many targets

[elfin steppe]

Then let me remind you

[copper hawk]

Blaze away shouldnt of been added to the purg

[sullen forge]

It never should have

[copper hawk]

Meow is one of the best players in this chat

[sullen forge]

cause its already being abused

[copper hawk]

Top 5 probably

She got outdamaged by a psyker using purg

[rocky nacelle]

I can barely out damage that as my gunker if im ahead and actually get to the spawns

[copper hawk]

By a massive margin

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/glaze-gif-14668791808919620231

[sullen forge]

You know how Veteran alone is just

strong

[copper hawk]

Purg is nuts now

[rocky nacelle]

cica doing tricks on it

[cinder roost]

purg psyker post patch

[little thicket]

Im not that impressed by the new m1 psyker staff spam ngl

[copper hawk]

I know complimenting friends is an alien concept to you

[sullen forge]

I got outdamage by a M1 Staff user 3X damage total wise

[copper hawk]

You are full of hate

[sullen forge]

it makes me beyond upset

[copper hawk]

Yeah

[rocky nacelle]

when have you guys ever done it 4 me

what i thought

[sullen forge]

Took the least amount of damage and most special kills etc

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-17367469042181550724

[copper hawk]

Cuz u hate us

[rocky nacelle]

???

[sullen forge]

they did 3x more damage

[copper hawk]

So u never get love

[sullen forge]

shit is BEYOND busted

[copper hawk]

That shrimple

[rocky nacelle]

you unfriended me first you were the hateful one

but w/e

[copper hawk]

Cuz u were bein hateful

U still r hateful

Astaghfirullah

[sullen forge]

I mean to be fair you put up with me alone being a Veteran main

[little thicket]

The new M1 psyker build is strong for damage but lacks in survivalibility and versatility.

[rocky nacelle]

fine I get it

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-walk-away-ending-yakuza-the-song-of-life-gif-26311879

[sullen forge]

It doesn't matter when it fucking DELETES EVERYTHING

[ocean geode]

So purg is now so much stronger? Even stronger than fire trauma? (Including a lot of control from trauma)

[sullen forge]

Like I cant even click on the heads of gunners before the psyker already deletes them

[drowsy steppe]

reject rending

kill rending

[little thicket]

Ye well there are other psykers builds that can output high damage without putting so many losses on the board in terms of versatility.

[dark zealot]

so dueling sword is uncanny and precog?

[drowsy steppe]

eject out of the airlock rending

[misty nova]

It has enough impact to stop ragers and enough suppression

[rotund shoal]

para is a champion of khorne

[copper hawk]

Yes

[little thicket]

Like trauma psyker or gunker psyker

[copper hawk]

Rending and blaze away

Obliterates everything

[little thicket]

Specifically the scriers spam type of gunker.

[sullen forge]

its a glass cannon class

That never gets challenged cause they delete everything before it can even touch them

[ocean geode]

The only proper type you mean?

[sullen forge]

Soyker is the best class hands down right now

[copper hawk]

Me when the glass cannon runs a ds4 as a melee

[dark zealot]

heresy!

[copper hawk]

Or a knife

Now the psyker has no weaknesses

Bye crusher

[sullen forge]

Bye CS

[dark zealot]

kill the mutants

[copper hawk]

LMFAO yeahhhh

[sullen forge]

Fuck ass bird

[brisk rampart]

skill issue *2

[copper hawk]

One hit boss kills kinda freaky

[dark zealot]

remember its not trolling to use barrelmancy on the witches

[ocean geode]

Spamming knife push attack due to 0.5s stamina regen

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[dark zealot]

they are heretics trying to undermine the squad

[fleet zealot]

it's just a little thing

[little thicket]

If you are a zealot and complaining about psyker who gives a fuck

[sullen forge]

what is this creature

[elfin steppe]

Well, what can you do, FS still didn't forget to nerf zealot in this patch

[little thicket]

Psyker and zealot are the most broken classes in the game

[copper hawk]

WHAT

[fleet zealot]

tawny frogmouth

[copper hawk]

Bro is HUFFIN that copium

[sullen forge]

TRUE, the unnecessary Zealot nerf didn't happen

[copper hawk]

Make them a play tester !

Stat !

[fleet zealot]

fully grown

[sullen forge]

These birds are funny...

[twilit shard]

POTOO!!!

[little thicket]

Veterans and ogryns should be the ones complaining…

[sullen forge]

IT IS NOT A POTOO

[twilit shard]

Its over

[copper hawk]

Vet, Psyker, Zeal, Ogryn from least balanced to most balanced

[fleet zealot]

helpful graph on why some baby birds are ugly mofos

[ocean geode]

Here it goes

The nuke

[misty nova]

Vets being doing that since forever

[ocean geode]

Get cover everyone

[brisk rampart]

why ?

[sullen forge]

I'd argue Psyker is now on par with Veteran at this point

[drowsy steppe]

ogryn is so boring to play

[sullen forge]

But I mean Veteran just is there

[copper hawk]

Nah

[dark zealot]

whats different between strength and power?

[elfin steppe]

"25% health return is too forgiving, so we made it 20%."

[little thicket]

Because they have more to complain about balance wise

[copper hawk]

Vet is by and far worse in this regard

[fleet zealot]

veteran crybaby

[little thicket]

Zealots being mad over psyker is like one op class being mad at another op class

[fleet zealot]

strength is just the rename for power

[brisk rampart]

ogryn might be the most simple thing to play + you can deal a lot of damage with it

[fleet zealot]

zealot is actually getting balanced and nerfs while they buff psykers strongest builds by another 100%

[dark zealot]

so headtaker sluaghter hammer good?

[copper hawk]

Lmfao yeah

Psyker got all buffs

[fleet zealot]

always take thrust

[ocean geode]

If you don't feel power fantasy in playing as a big lad that throws rocks then I kinda understand, but even gameplay wise it's alright, may be a bit worse compared to others, but not boring

[grizzled aspen]

@copper hawk can you post monkey hate sniper again?

[dark zealot]

bonk

[drowsy steppe]

no it really is

[dark zealot]

if thrust is a always then whats 2nd?

[fleet zealot]

ogryn gets punished at higher difficulties, I think they are overcompensated for it but you can't just jump into auric as ogryn without learning your mechanics

[dark zealot]

is it options or what?

[drowsy steppe]

youre pigeonholed either as a heavy attack spammer, damage sponge, or ranged weapon spammer

[fleet zealot]

ht or slaught

[sullen forge]

Lets just be thankful they aren't buffing Veteran any further

[copper hawk]

Nah they will

[sullen forge]

with the extremely minimal changes they did

[copper hawk]

The worst players play vet

[brisk rampart]

because you clearly can do that with a vet/psy or zealot

[fleet zealot]

500 CLEAVE TO PLASMA GUN

[polar cipher]

what are best blessings to have on thammer

[copper hawk]

The forum users and redditor playtesters are prioritized in balancing decisions

[sullen forge]

I LOVE DELETING EVERYTHING ON THE MAP

[copper hawk]

The worst players make the balancing decisions

Vet will get bettet

[elfin steppe]

But Ogryn can go shooter build. Zealot's shooter build is non-existent.

[copper hawk]

Zeal will get worse

[grizzled aspen]

Headtaker/slaughterer and thrust. Thrust is mandatory.

[copper hawk]

Ogryn will get more reliable

[sullen forge]

I just like playing Veteran cause I like being stock soldier and it pains me to see it get powercrept more and more over everything

[rotund shoal]

someone suggest a maelstrom to true solo imma do archivum sycorax

[ocean geode]

Try new picks - you can't just spam heavies, same with ranged and every ranges subclass. And bullet sponge is bad way to play

[fleet zealot]

slow action speed, large hitbox, and generally a worse time dealing with ranged in most builds, you can run into auric with vet or even zealot easily

[sullen forge]

Fucking for the love of god nerf Tac Awarness and VOC Already

[grizzled aspen]

3veg.

[fleet zealot]

vet just needs to take voc

[rotund shoal]

nah not 3veg thats boring

[brisk rampart]

have you ever play ogryn ?

[rotund shoal]

wanted something with ranged and melee

[fleet zealot]

i play all classes, in fact i crossed the 130 level mark in all of them

[polar cipher]

it wont let me send pictures here, can i send you a ss of my current hammer? idk if its any good

[ocean geode]

I can say the same about psyker if I would just judge on one build - fire trauma. Just press M2 -> M1 and go forward

[drowsy steppe]

the weapon selection is also to blame for this

[grizzled aspen]

15s longer cooldown and half the effectiveness / add a cooldown to tac awareness.

[rocky nacelle]

Pox gas wave of monstro specials and snipers

[misty nova]

The fabled mostly ranged maelstrom

[sullen forge]

Ditto, I just play vet the most for reasons listed above

[grizzled aspen]

Go ahead.

[copper hawk]

Defences should be the dumpstat

[drowsy steppe]

the only interesting weapons to use is the stubber, ripper, and the pickaxe

[fleet zealot]

ogryn is overcompensated with having ridic toughness gen on heavies and absolutely powerhouse range arsenal, but it's still an ogryn

[drowsy steppe]

and pickaxe is way better than any of the other ogryn melees

[brisk rampart]

i my opinion you still need to test some things

[rocky nacelle]

@rotund shoal

[fleet zealot]

test what lmao

[polar cipher]

dumpstat? (i am dumb)

[fleet zealot]

"things"

[sullen forge]

Honestly change tac awareness to % so it guts VOC, and then give VOC less Golden overall and increased CD

boom

[dark zealot]

anything psyker does generates toughness

[ocean geode]

It is true, but new picks really added variety and interest into gameplay, you just can't spam heavies

[rotund shoal]

oof i hate monstro wave but that does sound fun

[dark zealot]

and they get free buffs that are OP

[elfin steppe]

They have massive damage reduction, which is much superior to toughness reduction.

[ocean geode]

They are really powerful, but not in every aspect

[rocky nacelle]

It is

[sullen forge]

Psyker exists and generates toughness its so dumb lmao

[fleet zealot]

psyker generates toughness from the same action up to like 5 times

[brisk rampart]

new ways to play ogryn

[dark zealot]

psyker needs stronger penalties

[fleet zealot]

it is, hence the overcompensated for their weakness, I have no problem wtih ogryn since it is my first class

but they are fundementally different compared to the human classes

[dark zealot]

they even got a talent to not down when they get mind banged

[fleet zealot]

you throw me something and I'll say if i used it or not

EP assail, get toughness from warp kill, toughness from generating peril, toughness from crit, toughness from using EP charge

[dark zealot]

hmm maybe i can guess chaxe

[brisk rampart]

pickaxe + lorenz

[sullen forge]

Essenitally if you're at all an average player

free toughness from existing

[dark zealot]

Slaughterer headtaker?

[fleet zealot]

done lmao, also kars lorenz is just meta abusing

[fleet zealot]

mk4 chaxe ht slaught, mk12 chaxe thrust+ ht or slaught

[ornate bone]

darktiduah

[sullen forge]

Works the best on Vet and Zealot

[dark zealot]

aye i got it right for once

[fleet zealot]

like yea sure i could pick the most overpowered ogryn build,

[brisk rampart]

and still you complaining about shooter, etc... ?

[fleet zealot]

oh wow i should just run the same meta shit over and over!

who could ever want to use something different!

[brisk rampart]

gungryn so ? aschlys machinegun

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[elfin steppe]

Everytime I say they need to buff Zealot, some clown jumps down and starts humiliating me, now the FS buffed every class except for Zealot, happy now?

[fleet zealot]

true

[fleet zealot]

yes

cause their day will come

they will recieve a nerf, and they will review bomb and whine

[amber igloo]

and what would you buff about zealot?

[ocean geode]

They didn't buff zealot? But what about thunder hammers?

[sullen forge]

give it time, they'll rework Zealot's tree and you guys will become beyond overpowered via power creep

im calling it

[fading vale]

🤡

[elfin steppe]

First and most importantly, the toughness regen.

[fleet zealot]

and in my intellectually superior mind, I shall be "I didn't whine when zealot needed nerfs cause it was necessary"

[sullen forge]

its going to happen

[fleet zealot]

also yea zealot is def the most likely class for a skill tree update

[drowsy steppe]

zealot got buffed

[amber igloo]

@elfin steppe well you are in luck, they just massively buffed it, invocation is broken OP

[fleet zealot]

nah, it's the node placement and fixing some of the terrible nodes you never want to pick

[amber igloo]

you just have 50% toughness refill every 10s now

[little thicket]

I find it completely unbelieveable that someone could play this class and think that it needs abuff

[fleet zealot]

second wind is one of the best sources in the game

[sullen forge]

its either that or Ogryn

[little thicket]

like what the fuck are you doing in game

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-lol-xd-meme-jajajaja-xd-xdd-gif-8843845604309803125

[fleet zealot]

ogryn already had a soft adjustment to the tree no?

[dark zealot]

what about the stun baton?

[fading vale]

can we not be happy with literally everyone being overpowered and almost every weapon being overpowered

[dark zealot]

which i have no mastery for lol

[drowsy steppe]

martyrdom brainrot

[sullen forge]

We dont claim him

[fleet zealot]

skullcrusher high voltage

[rocky nacelle]

You are dumb

[spare talon]

i was using thammer

[rocky nacelle]

But it is fun

[spare talon]

which is one of my least proficient zealot melees

[fleet zealot]

i am happy

[grizzled aspen]

Plasma vet?

[sullen forge]

what gun

[spare talon]

bolter

[sand willow]

Is damage still the dump stat on flamer?

[fleet zealot]

i know it's hard, but opinions aren't black and white

[spare talon]

yes

[sullen forge]

I mean its Bolter but still I assume its ONLY bolter

[fleet zealot]

mobility and/or damage

[spare talon]

p much the only weapon where thats the case

[sullen forge]

like he mag dumped into hordes

[fading vale]

I want everything nerfed just mean the people saying more buffs

[fleet zealot]

burn, ammo, and cloud radius all that matters

[sand willow]

Eh I like the longer dodge for flamer

so damage it is then

[dark zealot]

penetrating flames and blaze away?

or is that the bad one?

[amber igloo]

do not ever pick penetrating flames lol

[sullen forge]

we say we want things nerfed cause they're genuinely problematic to people learning how to play the game

[amber igloo]

that shit is useless

[rotund shoal]

were not doing this again

[ocean geode]

Only for a short time, after that comes the boringness due to power creeping

[drowsy steppe]

he is the veteran sharpshooter

[sullen forge]

Cough Vet VOC Golden Node

[fading vale]

yes

[fleet zealot]

on zealot toughness regen, we are the premier melee class so melee kills will be a big source of toughness for us compared to other classes, i think just moving things around and buffing/reworking shit nodes like fellowship will help a lot

[fading vale]

power creep has made the game into an arcade game

[dark zealot]

the rest of the blessing but one are all bad anyway

[elfin steppe]

I'm not sure. In a heat of battle with Horde your toughness won't go down anyway. It's when you need to fight scattered shooters. I don't think that changed much.

[fleet zealot]

like change fellowship to a born leader like ability or just +25% toughness gained from all sources

[amber igloo]

@elfin steppe you just need to proc it once every 4s for a 10s fotf

[fleet zealot]

invocation is overtuned but it's a nerf for knife and taxe (and would be for dsword if we didn't just get it). It's a healthier design but no reason for it to be +200%

[amber igloo]

funny thing is

[fading vale]

it's pretty much permanent 200% cooldown rate

[amber igloo]

invocation was 150% on test, 175% in patch notes, 200 on live, waaay overtuned

[spare talon]

literally piety or a crit blessing + scourge is enough for invocation

to have 100% uptime

[heavy arch]

whats the most overpowered of all

[fading vale]

piety is just so boring, free 200% cooldown and 25% crit for existing

[amber igloo]

but zealot needs buffs

😄

[grizzled aspen]

Yes.

[dark zealot]

was chorus always 60s?

[grizzled aspen]

[amber igloo]

chorus used to be 90

[sullen forge]

Nah 120

[spare talon]

chorus used to only have 1 use per game

[rocky nacelle]

chorus

[drowsy steppe]

theres that time they nerfed the stagger on chorus. Only to re buff them back

[dark zealot]

so how fast do we get it back with the new invocation of death?

[spare talon]

20 seconds

[fading vale]

chorus just doesn't fit in a game where you are constantly running forward

[vague depot]

What do all the stims do again

[spare talon]

with a crit build

[elfin steppe]

I don't like it. You still need to invest in toughness damage reduction on the right talent tree, it's definitely something that costs too many talent points.

[fleet zealot]

bring it back

[dark zealot]

so we get to be veterans?

[heavy arch]

chorus fits for quickplay : - )

[ocean geode]

I started to run recently zealot with chorus + piety and invocation. Shit regens so quickly I'm not even always can prepare to that as I used to old chorus and old builds

[spare talon]

no
veterans actually get to still deal damage when they use the ability

[ocean geode]

Feels like a vet now

[dark zealot]

at least we get to have a flamer...

[merry flume]

more than double the caffiene content of a monster 😭

[amber igloo]

well if you refuse to build optimally, than you'll have a suboptimal result

[dark zealot]

so if im getting this right

shroud field is 10s?

[elfin steppe]

Your optimal results are suboptimal compared to other classes, so why bother?

[dark zealot]

and dont forget to refill that

[spare talon]

sure, whatever you say

agree to disagree

[drowsy steppe]

uhm

skill issue probably

🤭

[rocky nacelle]

Is Elliot being a tard again

[dark zealot]

krill issue

[little thicket]

Quite a skill issue

[rocky nacelle]

Sounds like it

[hard nexus]

i actually agree with this, but as in the other toughness regen nodes need to be buffed, second wind is already amazing, just the other options are kind of worthless

[spare talon]

10 second abilities, 50% tdr, 60% crit chance, all for literally free

[amber igloo]

@elfin steppe depends on what you value, my prio is survivability and low maintenance, no one compares to zealot in those regards

[spare talon]

suboptimal

[elfin steppe]

It's only good when you are running a knife, for heavy weapons it's ok at best.

[fading vale]

what

[ocean geode]

[drowsy steppe]

nah second winds amazing for every melee

[hard nexus]

lol no

[rocky nacelle]

crazy how Elliot can still bait you guys

[misty nova]

Lol

[hard nexus]

if its bait its been going on for however long theyve been around

[fading vale]

I come back after 6 months and yeah elliot is still the same

[dark zealot]

so for 10s we can give everyone a 30% toughness dmg reduction and then wait 10s to refresh that?

[rocky nacelle]

That’s called being a moron dear

[drowsy steppe]

zealot chat's darcy

[hard nexus]

darcy......

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

im going to keep sending this

[fading vale]

do not necro that name

[rocky nacelle]

and Elliot has definitely proven that

[heavy arch]

free darcy

[hard nexus]

do NOT free her

[dark zealot]

free me

i want out the walls

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/free-diddy-diddy-jail-sean-combs-diddy-party-welcome-to-the-diddy-party-gif-4694144555033567974

[sullen forge]

1000 bottles of baby oil

[fleet zealot]

lmao i worked there when they were out in lobby for free refills, what a mistake

[fleet zealot]

honestly i think it's just toughness in coherency one

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-hakan-oil-time-to-oil-up-wet-gif-17390114

P diddy

[fleet zealot]

EWEW power is to not be at 0 toughness when hit by ranged attacks

on heavy attack could get like, half or 1/4 value for light attack kills,

[elfin steppe]

You need to invest three points to get that node and you still need enduring faith, that basically locks you with a crit build.

[fleet zealot]

you can go right side without crit

hammer does it

[amber igloo]

yea, crits are the zealot thing

[hard nexus]

i feel like blood redemption (50% more on melee kill) should be replaced with something else, and then buff the on heavy attack node

[amber igloo]

he usually does that

[little thicket]

Throwing knives are op!

[hard nexus]

i also think both grenades should be replaced with something else

but

thats just me

[fading vale]

I've never once run crit and always had second wind with plenty of points

[little thicket]

zzz why would you not go that route if you are playing optimaly

[fleet zealot]

nah def replace fellowship with something else

[little thicket]

same with second wind to begin with.

[hard nexus]

i dont take enduring faith with a lot of builds, it works plenty fine

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom likes mid or left tree more

[spare talon]

non crit

crit

[fading vale]

grenades should be a dropdown select

[hard nexus]

also valid

[rocky nacelle]

Too much tax

[elfin steppe]

Yeah, like the guy said, suboptimal build.

[dark zealot]

shield of contempt?

[hard nexus]

or just all like vet, where they merge into one node

[amber igloo]

shield of comtempt is hot garbage

[little thicket]

So long as throwing knives + second wind exist in their current state majority of zealot builds will always go down that route at start.

[fleet zealot]

it's not

[dark zealot]

chat are we just hot garbage?

[fleet zealot]

it's not amazing, could be made better

[hard nexus]

i think it was changed to only proc on health damage, so its not that good imo

[fleet zealot]

but it's true DR

[amber igloo]

it is near useless

[dark zealot]

cause i swear half the time you say we suck compared to the others

[fleet zealot]

the issue is the pathing

if it was right off the path, it would be a much better pick

[hard nexus]

also true

[spare talon]

do you even play the game

[fleet zealot]

but you have to take tax for it

[north sedge]

Who takes second wind anyway, simply too hard to get too, so deep in

[fleet zealot]

lol it's true DR and has it's own track for each player

[hard nexus]

ok masturbater

[south folio]

mao

[dark zealot]

honestly why does this

[hard nexus]

hai

[fleet zealot]

trying to make gun zealot a thing, failing miserably

[hard nexus]

general chairman mao

[amber igloo]

you tell me

[fleet zealot]

no reason TEB is in the martyrdom line, but the martyrdom line is just fucked

[rocky nacelle]

zealot grenades should look like this

[dark zealot]

at least this was buffed right guys?

[rocky nacelle]

for selection

[fleet zealot]

ahh so a no lifer who thinks raw hours=skill

[spare talon]

then explain to me how 60% dr for everyone on your team exactly when they need it is useless

[rocky nacelle]

u r ass

[amber igloo]

just mostly someone who knows how the game mechanics work

[fleet zealot]

but u don't lol

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[dark zealot]

the real measure of skill is how many players can you anger

[elfin steppe]

Not enough to take it.

[amber igloo]

shield can only be on one person at a time, and you can't control it

[hard nexus]

100% honesty here, cole knows more than you lmfao

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[fleet zealot]

no?

[amber igloo]

while also having a grand total of 40% uptime

[fleet zealot]

it has a 10 second cd per player

each player gets their own shield of contempt

[elfin steppe]

You need to spend four talent points for that instead of damage.

[fleet zealot]

and it only procs "when needed" (or tries to)

[amber igloo]

unless they changed it, its one person at a time

[elfin steppe]

Not worth it.

[spare talon]

its one person at a time

[hard nexus]

it was never changed, thats always how its functioned

[little thicket]

Beacon of purity as an overall aura is absolute garbage

[amber igloo]

its good for grims at least

[fleet zealot]

nvm

i'm wrong

anyways

[hard nexus]

are we

damn,,,,

[dark zealot]

counter point, loner exists

[fleet zealot]

idk

[hard nexus]

did it get changed to one person?

[fleet zealot]

i'm not sticking to the point

the issue with it is not what it does

it's thepathing

[dark zealot]

literally anything is better than loner

[hard nexus]

anyway im right u all are wrong

[elfin steppe]

It should be built in.

[fleet zealot]

the pathing for SOC is terrible

[spare talon]

but since it works only on health damage
realistically it will always be available when someone needs it

[little thicket]

Because in most cases healing isn't stopped due to corruption but rather just not having healing items.

[drowsy steppe]

taking an aura that removes corruption in 2024

[sullen forge]

I'd rather have a purity zealot when the game is spamming Tox bombers vs a fucking loner zealot

[drowsy steppe]

zealot is buffed

[sullen forge]

the fuck is the point of Loner

[fleet zealot]

the middle tree in general has a lot of terrible choices

[little thicket]

Loner is legit better then beacon of purity is.

[fleet zealot]

and makes no sense

[drowsy steppe]

toughness regen

[little thicket]

Not that its a high bar.

[drowsy steppe]

thats it

[fleet zealot]

basically the only path that makes straight sense is right side, aka death cultist

every other build has to be a hybrid or be suboptimal

[dark zealot]

the golden skull mask, knife zealot that runs ahead and dies meme

[sullen forge]

Mfw killing things also does that

[fleet zealot]

you can't go straight mid martyrdom cause wounds have anti synergy with beacon of purity and martyrdom doesn't buff ranged weapons unlike piety or IJ

[drowsy steppe]

no shit

[grizzled aspen]

Ok smelly...

[ocean geode]

Guys guys, regarding martyr builds - can anyone share good tree setups? Also I wonder if bleed for the emperor actually worth it

[drowsy steppe]

and I just explained what it does

[fleet zealot]

it is, martyrdom doesn't give HP dr

[elfin steppe]

They buffed the Voice of Terra and nerfed Restoring Faith, surely people will take the first one, yes?

[fleet zealot]

so BftE helps a lot

[opal star]

so that you can regen toughness while you're far ahead of your team for whatever reason only to get humbled by one of these two fuckwits

[dark zealot]

loner only work when everyone is dead (bad) and when your isolated (bad). beacon at least tries to keep everyone alive so they arent dead (good)

[fleet zealot]

you should be in line of sight with loner anyways

[sullen forge]

Aka be bad at the game

lmao

[rocky nacelle]

real

[opal star]

loner is one of the nodes where it only really applies if you're a Bad Gamer™️

[fleet zealot]

if you hear the pinning specials spawning you should mentally check your posisitioning and make sure you stay in line of sight

[drowsy steppe]

???

[dark zealot]

if loner was just beacon of purity again no one would notice the difference

[elfin steppe]

It's a must for a martyr build.

[drowsy steppe]

its literally just toughness regen everywhere you go

[dark zealot]

because loner is shit

[fleet zealot]

i think loner has a place but idk if it's worth a aura slot or even needs to be in the game

[drowsy steppe]

seperated or not

[fleet zealot]

except in melee

[spare talon]

beacon mitigates any chip corruption damage from crossing a wound threshold

[dark zealot]

actually no people would notice

[spare talon]

thats pretty much what it sfor

[lunar fable]

Loner is for stinky people!!!

[fleet zealot]

except after anything that shuts down toughness regen

meanwhile EWEW

just superior loner

[dark zealot]

because they have less corruption which is noticable compared to loner that does nothing

[spare talon]

such as DH corruption, burgle vomit, unfortunate bursters or tox gas, etc

[opal star]

the one aura in the game that helps nobody but yourself

wild

[merry flume]

@hard nexus @rocky nacelle gaming perhaps

[fleet zealot]

yea and this makes me so weirded out why it is in the martyrdom branch

[dark zealot]

loner does literally fuck all for a team, it is not possible to do less for the team

[spare talon]

its to prevent it compounding corruption mistakes for your team

[ornate bone]

burgle vomit 🤤

[fleet zealot]

cause martyrdom has more wounds which makes it beacon less effective

[dark zealot]

5% dmg is more than loner

[spare talon]

but the nodes above it are such shit

[fleet zealot]

one second

[opal star]

matter of fact the thing with loner is that

why are you alone to begin with

[fleet zealot]

didn't i do a possible tree swap

[dark zealot]

5% movement speed is more than loner

a double jump is more than loner

[elfin steppe]

Pick plasteel

[opal star]

double fucked up dodge

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/shingo-shoji-sangypoo-sang-initial-d-gif-21993068

[fleet zealot]

cause i was so bothered by some nodes not thematically matching the subclass path

[misty nova]

Fellowship but bad

[hard nexus]

does anyone know what that number means, like, is it a multiplier of some kind? i want to know how much it actually changes

[ocean geode]

Really want to know how much shit my build is, anyone got anything?

[little thicket]

zealot schenagians.

[rocky nacelle]

i thought higui answered this

[fleet zealot]

like imo, any straight down branch should be viable for beginners but zealot doesn't work

[rocky nacelle]

a while back

[hard nexus]

i dont think i ever saw

[rocky nacelle]

@misty nova

🧑‍🔬

[sullen forge]

Scientists emoji

[rocky nacelle]

with this I summon thee

[little thicket]

I don't think being seperate is that uncommon espically if the team is not very well coordinated.

[dark zealot]

👨‍🔬

[south folio]

it's just your cleave

[sullen forge]

I aint doing shit atm you want me to tag along also

[fleet zealot]

ehh

in general, if your team isn't hugging coherency but keeping LOS

those are the best teams

[dark zealot]

what does one take for blessings on the boltgun?

[hard nexus]

what does that mean though, i know it’s my cleave, but how does that number factor in

[little thicket]

Technically even a coordinated team can be seperated, as thats usually a pathway to often maximize damage output.

[rocky nacelle]

no more endurance on scriers

[fleet zealot]

if your team is bad and not together then yea, it's a shitshow

[rocky nacelle]

lets see how bad I die

[drowsy steppe]

pinning and blessing of choice

[misty nova]

If it was a multiplier it should probably be less than zero
Otherwise you'd gain cleave damage distribution

[south folio]

it's pretty literal

[misty nova]

So it's probably division

[fleet zealot]

but i don't like people who need to have someone up their ass to play the game cause they don't want to melee/dodge/do anything besides shooty shooty pew pew

[south folio]

means you have 1.8 cleave on your first light

[hard nexus]

yeah i know that

that’s why i’m asking

[south folio]

and 9.5 cleave on your first heavy

[spare dome]

it is literally the hit mass value you cleave

[paper harness]

Did someone in here say buff zealot toughness regen

[merry flume]

sure

[dark zealot]

pinning + shattering impact/cavalcade?

[paper harness]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20850879

[fleet zealot]

yes

[copper hawk]

meeeeee

[hard nexus]

ah ✅

[hard nexus]

oops

[drowsy steppe]

yea

[hard nexus]

okay

[copper hawk]

checkmark emoji

[paper harness]

Kill them

[hard nexus]

thanks

[copper hawk]

wow.

[hard nexus]

i’m gonna test that later methinks

[opal star]

?

[copper hawk]

dorn go smoke

u freak

[paper harness]

I am going to rn as it were

[fleet zealot]

it's just fort and fellowship, literally every other node has it's use (in the top part)

[south folio]

you can double check with the calculator and the distribution values to see if they line up

[median steeple]

the devil masquerades as a savior

[dark zealot]

if a primarch was a smoker, why is it dorn?

[spare talon]

my dumbass is genuinely considering piety thammer for crit cdr
because i am goblin

[red mesa]

why do flamers sometimes blowup when you melee them

is it intended?

just chance?

i thought melee was safe, just died from it 😦

[fleet zealot]

second wind is amazing, EWEW gives that 1 toughness utility, on kill is just a boost, and vicious offering is great with half the weapons in the game

[opal star]

shooting the flamer's tank causes it to ignite
the flamer will then explode on death

thus, someone shot the tank beforehand

[spare talon]

someone had shot the tank

[misty nova]

Well choose a number on your ADMs then divide by that number to see how much damage the second target receives

[sullen forge]

some idiot shot the tank

[fleet zealot]

if someone shoots the tank and you hit it, you are making it go boom

don't run at flamers if you have an assail player

[south folio]

it was me barry

[fleet zealot]

assail has a habit of hitting the tank

[red mesa]

damn, almost positive no one did but maybe wrong

[ocean geode]

Good enough?

[dark zealot]

hello im barry what did you do?

[spare dome]

i pumped the flamer full of hot lead from behind at hyper speed

[south folio]

kill exploits

[fleet zealot]

pretty fine lookin, i'd go for twbs tho with a hammer or chain weapon

[rocky nacelle]

barry I did a bad, accidentally killed my smiteker

[opal star]

I pumped the flamer full of hot.. whatever the fuck they use for flamer fuel

[fleet zealot]

i feel so bad then i don't feel bad when i'm playing assail psykert

[dark zealot]

you did good, the witch deserves death

[sullen forge]

Prometheum iirc

[fleet zealot]

and just watching teammates rush into flamers

[misty nova]

Propane and propane accessories

[ocean geode]

I use Rashad and precise weapon like Revolver or Bolt pistol

[fleet zealot]

as my angry bees poke the tank

[opal star]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-evil-hankhill-hank-hill-gif-5223546

[ocean geode]

Pistol is fun but I need to get used to

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-birthday-happy-birthday-steamhappy-it-is-steamhappys-birthday-celebrate-gif-16501936995160291780

[dark zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[paper harness]

Zealot and vet both do not need toughness replenishment buffs

[sullen forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[fading vale]

is zarona still super overpowered like it was 6 months ago

[rocky nacelle]

ok whatever is being talked about right now doesnt matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDO39mY2gq4

[paper harness]

If you aren’t getting toughness you are fundamentally playing the game wrong

[dark zealot]

autopistol?

[fleet zealot]

nerfs to our really OP stuff, and reworks to the 2 middle nodes

[ocean geode]

What is the main selling point of bolt pistol compared to revolver if we ignore that revolver is overuses to shit and i'm sick of it?

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sakugastudio-jxrdn-absolute-cinema-luffy-gif-15469166217534865765

[fleet zealot]

make on ranged kill on any kill

[dark zealot]

nothing

[paper harness]

Flamer

[opal star]

it go boom

[paper harness]

No

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/gear-5-one-piece-laughing-gif-16796520503045927050

[drowsy steppe]

revolver still overpowered yea

[fading vale]

it sounds cooler?

[dark zealot]

do you want a worse revolver and worse boltgun?

[amber igloo]

reload and puncture mostly

[paper harness]

Bolter is better than the zarona

[fleet zealot]

fortitude in fellowship, just needs a rework

[drowsy steppe]

puncture is silly

[fleet zealot]

it doesn't matter how much you buff it, it's stupid on zealot

[amber igloo]

bolt pistol is nice to force bleeds for scourge on say like a heavy sword

[rocky nacelle]

its me

joy boy

[dark zealot]

what does one take for shredder pistol blessings

[fleet zealot]

you aren't forcing bleeds with puncture you use puncture to hit BPs

[dark zealot]

they all seem weird

[amber igloo]

both, actually

[fleet zealot]

you don't body blast something to kickstart scourge

[opal star]

so how do I
uh
how do I build the mk XIIIg chainsword

[fleet zealot]

waste of ammo

[sullen forge]

Puncture + Shattering I assume

[amber igloo]

I do use bolt pistol to force bleeds on crushers, so I can chop em up with heavy sword

[sullen forge]

Cause I keep fucking seeing that everywhere

[paper harness]

For zealot? Yes

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-lmao-gif-22173456

man i'm dead

[ocean geode]

But if I just want a precise weapon but refuse to use Zarona sue to revolver overdose, then pistol is alright or there other options?

[spare dome]

😎

[paper harness]

Why the fuck would you do that

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/kyrie-manimdead-gif-17926533374682453937

[sullen forge]

Insane

[spare dome]

nice to get recons

[fleet zealot]

bolt pistol is fine

[amber igloo]

bolt pistol is excellent now

[paper harness]

Just hit them with the fucking special man

[fleet zealot]

if you compare everything to revolver you are going to be a sad person

[sullen forge]

Special -> Heavy repeat

[sullen forge]

really simple

[fleet zealot]

agri shotgun, the single shot vanguard, and bistol are good enough alternatives

[fading vale]

I don't even remember the autopistol blessings anymore, pinning and uh

[opal star]

comparing everything to the meta is just a miserable way to live

[fading vale]

something else

[fleet zealot]

pinning BA, or IB or bleh

[ocean geode]

Huh, Bistol, nice

[fading vale]

oh yeah blaze away

you need about 100 shots from autopistol to kill anything that's not a special so that checks out

[ocean geode]

I just want to be sure how much far away in shit the revolver is at this point

Not like I'm actually taking notes

[dark zealot]

back shot blessing

[fleet zealot]

bistol wants surgical+ puncture or DA, or lethal prox+ puncture

[paper harness]

It’s literally this simple

[drowsy steppe]

remove rending

[fleet zealot]

backshot build

you know

[opal star]

how come wrath seems to be recommended more for the xiiig chainsword than savage sweep

[fleet zealot]

if zealot had a node that kept them in stealth for like, 2 seconds after breaking

[fading vale]

remove 100% crit

[dark zealot]

backshot stealth zealot?

[fleet zealot]

the backstab stuff would make more sense

[paper harness]

Post account level

[amber igloo]

think its around the same

[fleet zealot]

he has like 3.3k hours

[opal star]

don't they have a reduced threa-
oh wait that's veteran's aint it

[fleet zealot]

yea

[opal star]

breh

[sullen forge]

Doesn't account for AFKing

[fleet zealot]

since we (fartshart) don't want to copy vets shit, it would be like shade or ranger veteran

[amber igloo]

yea almost the same

[fleet zealot]

or just no lifing the game assuming you are correct cause you have hours

[dark zealot]

what would be the best backshot gun?

[fading vale]

laspistol

[fleet zealot]

probably VIAG

[drowsy steppe]

recon, braced, infantry autoguns

wait

[fleet zealot]

fuck you

fucking fuckign fatshark

i'm so makd

[drowsy steppe]

I dont remember if recon has raking fire

[fleet zealot]

why did you change the names

[ocean geode]

Refusing to use an available optimal option to handicap yourself is already feels not right, it kinda works when you try other weapons to feel fresh, but removing blessings is another level

[dark zealot]

dum dum raking fire?

[drowsy steppe]

yea Im 100% onboard with that idea

[fleet zealot]

now we have Vigilant autogun, and vraks infantry auto gun

[sullen forge]

No

it doesn't sadly

[drowsy steppe]

sadge

[fleet zealot]

V AG and VIAGS

[drowsy steppe]

how I play these days really

[rocky nacelle]

insert vegeta I didnt care anymore speech

[sullen forge]

Do not

[rocky nacelle]

shut the fuck up

[dark zealot]

or would we use terrifying barrage to CC?

[sullen forge]

Do not

[paper harness]

Rending is a flawed concept

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dance-fortnite-vegeta-gif-18285067904679754431

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[dark zealot]

you back shot the first enemy to crowd control to setup the next

[drowsy steppe]

op options are available but lot more engaging to play the game when you dont blatantly choose to use the op stuff

[dark zealot]

the diddy zealot build

[amber igloo]

rending makes the game unbalancable, but I don't think they are trying anymore either

[sullen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-21418885

[paper harness]

It’s not even optimal on knife

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/my-stummy-hurt-stummy-hurt-stummy-playboi-carti-playboi-gif-12218453

[fleet zealot]

well obv they aren't

[paper harness]

Or dueling swords

[drowsy steppe]

me when creating an armor system and a mechanic that invalidates that

[fleet zealot]

they got a whole new set of testers cause forums and reddit were whining about "elitist private discorders"

so now we have reddit tier balancing

[paper harness]

Fuck it we ball

[fleet zealot]

tbf at least it's not hd2 i hate that armor system

[paper harness]

[dark zealot]

what armor system

lol

[paper harness]

It’s not just the new testers

[amber igloo]

not like they listen to the testers when it comes to balancing

[paper harness]

It’s the old ones too

[fleet zealot]

ur gun work or it don't work you better have gotten eats oh wait you didn't know eats would be needed? too bad

[drowsy steppe]

perhaps darcy had a point 🙁

[fleet zealot]

they do, I just think the latest patch was influenced by the newcomers

[dark zealot]

recon lasgun has no back shot blessing

[merry flume]

when testing ur game don't listen to redditors

simple

[fleet zealot]

it's vraks infantry autogun

[drowsy steppe]

yea

[fleet zealot]

best at backshots

high finesse so you do the back of the head

[paper harness]

When making your game, make sure you have someone in charge of combat design

[fleet zealot]

call it the JB

[ocean geode]

I remember that I wanted to try to use Fire Shotty instead of Flamethrower. What's are the general consensus on shotty's blessings/perks?

[paper harness]

Patch 13 and it’s consequences

[fleet zealot]

manstopper scattershot or deathspitter no respite imo

[dark zealot]

why?

[fleet zealot]

also the fire shotty is accatran now, not kantrael

[fleet zealot]

bait blessing

so you can identify bad players in lobby

[ocean geode]

Manstopper doesn't work on fire breath anymore, right?

[fleet zealot]

something like that

it's still the best damage increaser for normal shots

[obsidian prairie]

Manstopper also effects throwing knives if you run them

[ocean geode]

I mostly need to crowd control, with fire I think

[dark zealot]

what does this do for a lasgun?

[ocean geode]

I have knives and hammer

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-23356423

[fleet zealot]

first shot from reset recoil gets strength, which is just renamed power

[dark zealot]

lame

[obsidian prairie]

For certain model it is vaguely useful as the time between accurate shots is really short

Otherwise terrible

[fleet zealot]

yee

[dark zealot]

so clearly you take headhunter infernus?

[sterile basalt]

Outside of Mk IX, don’t take this

[fleet zealot]

try zarona shotgun instead

[fleet zealot]

headhunter DA

[sterile basalt]

No, headhunter + ghost

[fleet zealot]

or HH+ghost

[sterile basalt]

Ghost is usually better

[dark zealot]

nah falter + no respite

[fleet zealot]

the fastest firing one i guess you could meme HH infernus but you should just run recon at that point

[sterile basalt]

Ghost is really high utility value

[rotund shoal]

FUCK DOGS

WRONG REPLY

[fleet zealot]

zarona shotgun has a duckbill special shot and absolutely goes insane with manstopper

[ocean geode]

Uhh it is the one that doing what?

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/4d3d3d3engaged-jazz-music-stops-jazz-stops-reaction-wtf-gif-13574415

[ocean geode]

I didn't check new names

[fleet zealot]

used to be called lawbringer

[amber igloo]

to each to its own, but isn't that punishable by law most places?

[drowsy steppe]

do not animals

[fleet zealot]

what could possibly be the right reply?

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/baldurs-gate-3-squirrel-wtf-omg-horror-gif-7126844352124115827

[drowsy steppe]

non animal version peak

[ocean geode]

Ain't it like total piece of shit? I tried to test it in psykanium and it was a total disappointment

[dark zealot]

there is laws against the dogs joker

[ocean geode]

I could do that improperly tho

[fleet zealot]

no lol, and it will suck in psykanium since it is a very large width

it got a huge buff list a while back

[dark zealot]

what

[fleet zealot]

and now that you can always have manstopper it absolutely dominates lowtier elites in hordes

[amber igloo]

the only shotgun a zealot ever needs has two barrels

[fleet zealot]

meh

[rotund shoal]

normally you move slower while bracing the gun thiss maes you move quicer up to 50% of normal speed

[dark zealot]

one for each...

[fleet zealot]

dbarrel just always feels better on vet, combat shotguns are more versatile

[dark zealot]

faster gunner

[rotund shoal]

its even quicker if you have sex with animals

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-stop-it-get-some-help-gif-8624482

[amber igloo]

I usually just run whatever the fuck ranged I feel like lol, don't do much pewpew on a zealot

[dark zealot]

john is a psyker enjoyer clearly

[amber igloo]

reloading is annoying

[ocean geode]

Mhm, alright then what options are for Zarona and Accatran respectively? Want to try both

[dark zealot]

i go ranged as zealot because it sucks

and if im wasting ammo then the zealots get less

and get annyoed at us zealots already when we use literally any ammo pickup

[fleet zealot]

the agri (slugs) is generally better on vet but since everyone can get manstopper easily now, it can still be a useful downsidegrade to the zarona revolver

[rotund shoal]

psyker is my 2nd most played

[fleet zealot]

imo no respite deathspitter for accatran, manstopper scattershot for lawby

basically, I rank agri shotgun about on par with bistol. way more cleave, but less armor damage

[elfin steppe]

remove power blessing

[grizzled aspen]

Even though, realistically, it should be the other way around.

[fleet zealot]

i try not to think of it