zealot-class

[spare talon]

everyone did

[remote lark]

cole left me on read

:(

[spare talon]

oh right i forgot

to look through it

i opened it mid mission then forgor

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-glass-deku-izuku-midoriya-realistic-gif-5950495279688466417

[umbral kindle]

Why are you at Pumpkin Hill?

[frosty herald]

Just put the fries in the bag deku

[sullen iron]

why is deku mogging me

[drowsy steppe]

https://redd.it/1ezfanl

[rocky nacelle]

trapper taking no stagger coming out of spawn door

https://tenor.com/view/smt-digital-devil-saga-dance-shin-megami-tensei-gif-22496314

[spare talon]

how it feels to do everything better than a plasma spam vet

https://tenor.com/view/hotdiggedydemon-stan-twitter-angel-wings-meme-gif-7651570284153077208

one that double dips on the ammo crate too

[rocky nacelle]

ok I run bolter next time

so I can cavalcade abuse

[copper hawk]

@twilit shard

[twilit shard]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-dropkick-black-templar-gif-3633792756769275524

[spare talon]

what does that mean

[rocky nacelle]

ace detective

more like stupid fucking

fa

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-star-star-unit-live-star-reaction-signalis-reaction-gif-1070320313808359163

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/junpei-enviando-mentiras-the-rock-gif-24174493

[rocky nacelle]

ok I get rid of faithful frenzy

for double chastise

ill just get my atk spd from spamming chastise and crit cdr

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-all-a-dream-walking-dead-twd-the-walking-dead-it-was-all-a-dream-wasnt-it-gif-13381712

[vivid hawk]

@royal vortex they gave Crusher Slaughterer 😳

[spare talon]

i think he knows already

and is dreading updating his guide

[vivid hawk]

I think I'm in love, again

[ember yew]

506 burn damage per tick + comboing with DS4 make bosses melt
50% res speed for pugs
ds4 for everything else

gonna test it in a few hours

a bit busy rn

[spare talon]

loading into an in progress rolling steel
free mats from a failed mission!

[ember yew]

free 50*

[vivid hawk]

the new bolt pistol or double shotty good for shouty?

heard bolter got an overhaul

[sour oxide]

good night frens

[rocky nacelle]

🫡

[haughty basalt]

hi, is there a resource that lists the dump stats/best stats for zealot weapons?

[ember yew]

not really, it goes by the logic

Defense is 100% dump

mobility needs to be at 51+ level

after that it wont matter much

some cleave stats are garbage (aka wont really matter if they are 60 or 80)

but need to check with weapon

[haughty basalt]

thanks! guess ill look out for stuff that is 80 on everything but defence

[ember yew]

you can always ask

if unsure

people usually reply within a few minutes

[shadow sleet]

meta flamer bessings atm?

[ember yew]

Blaze Away + Penetrating Flame or Overpressure or Insp.Barrage (for toughness gen if you take too much damage while firing)

[shadow sleet]

ty

[spare talon]

how are people so FUCKING SHIT at rolling steel

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/struggle-sisyphus-gif-4952086791107433131

[spare talon]

the ONE MISSION THE TEAM NEEDS TO DO SHIT

AND THEY JUST DONT

[ember yew]

there's a lot

of new people

[stone fern]

IM TRYING

[ember yew]

after update

[spare talon]

every other mission is soloable

[stone fern]

LEAF ME ALONE

[noble ingot]

Rolling Steel? More like Rolling Shit amarite?

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/shk-simple-happy-kitchen-kale-leaf-ok-gif-15026115

[stone fern]

I braught cells

i held off doors

i defended people doing the mini game puzzle

[ember yew]

now get some brain cells for the team

[stone fern]

BUT NO ONE HAD BOSS DAMAGE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[spare talon]

but in rolling steel, the mission with a timer, they take their damn fucking time working through carts, and do their absolute best to DIE as soon as possible

[ember yew]

and people asking why generalist builds are best for pugs

[stone fern]

i was trying heavy sword 😭

then tactical axe

[rotund shoal]

someone is not bringing the emperors holy eviscerator and bolter

[ember yew]

tactical hax got insane boss damage with headtaker + decimator

[stone fern]

serves me right

[valid kindle]

Let it be known that the dueling sword is absolutely cracked.

[ember yew]

assuming you can stick to the target

and wont miss

[stone fern]

i kneel meta bros

[stone fern]

does it work on void shield?

[ember yew]

ofc

its just

[stone fern]

it has a damage cap

[ember yew]

80% power

30+50

[spare talon]

"dont nerf plasma!!!"

IT DOES EVERYTHING!!!!!!! IT DOES LITERALLY EVERYTHING BETTER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!!!!

[stone fern]

🤔 chat is this true?

[ember yew]

does it?

[rotund shoal]

No it doesnt tuck me into bed at night

[spare talon]

AND ITS ON THE CLASS THATS UNKILLABLE AND YOU STILL MANAGE TO FUCK IT UP

[stone fern]

void shield? yeah

[ember yew]

well the fastest one to shred void shield been mk4 with lights i think

other than that cant remember much

[stone fern]

the thing is with plasma is everyone who uses it is nerfed in the head already

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-trick-justice-minister-angry-tantrum-gif-27385205

[ember yew]

tbh

i never ever used plasma

in 1k+ hours

i found my favorite tarded VId toy

and been with it since then

and revolver

https://tenor.com/view/they-lived-happily-ever-after-the-end-goofy-disney-the-wonderful-summer-of-mickey-mouse-gif-26272438

[stone fern]

recon is just as op as plasma

[ember yew]

it does not penetrate 350 enemies

with one shot

and also need fucking onslaught to deal with carapace

[stone fern]

yeah but it has 39999 shots

[ember yew]

meaning plasma gets free pass

[stone fern]

i have never seen a single good to ok play use plasma in like 1k hours

[haughty basalt]

you know how mastery limits the max power of a weapon? say i already have a weapon thats 500 power, will it stay at that if i go into a mission or will it be nerfed to match my mastery level

[stone fern]

i have seen a lot of recon vets/psykers delete my entire map

[ember yew]

a bit strange question, but it will stay

weapons you already got will stay the way they are

[rotund shoal]

i mean comparatively a vet can also do that with iags

[ember yew]

so you can use 500 weapon while leveling your masteries

[rotund shoal]

if theyre good and can land consisntent weakspot hits

[stone fern]

yeah sure

[ember yew]

this is why Melk store is still around

[rotund shoal]

there is some skill in doing it with weapons wheree you cant spam center shot and cleaving shots

[stone fern]

but a recon can do that with more ammo and less brain usage

[frozen kernel]

Do you still need to grab backstab for pious cutthroat to work?

[hollow kettle]

Anyone tried everlasting flame blessing on flamer yet, and if so how good is it?

[stone fern]

anyone try t4 manstopper yet

[hollow kettle]

That's on staves only no?

Staffs

But isn't the upkeep on everlasting worth it?

I see

I was using those two blessings based on remaining tank cap

Would they be even useful if it never went out with everlasting?

Or is it not so everlasting?

[spare talon]

overpressure hadnt actually worked until this patch

[hollow kettle]

Well...

[tame mirage]

oh yea, is penetrating flame worth?

[hollow kettle]

That's a news to me

[misty mason]

easily

[rotund shoal]

whats the blessings for the insane boss damage

on flamer

i did a with this guy who did 80k boss dmg with flamer

cuz it was a normal reg and this ogryn kept tripping dhs

[brave lava]

Penetrating flame is good when you're not going with a crit build
If you are, blaze away and everlasting flame are bonkers together

[hollow kettle]

I see

Must have missed it

[brave lava]

And overpressure worked, but only on direct damage...
Yeah no it pretty much didn't

[ember yew]

overpressure is fixed now

[hollow kettle]

How good is EF at magazine upkeep?

[ember yew]

1+ year later

[brave lava]

If there's enough mobs and you go into the crit keystone, you ca easily shoot your entire ammo supply without reload

At tier 4, anyway

[hollow kettle]

I need to grind it then, sounds fun

[copper hawk]

lmfao

[ember yew]

here's 250

flamer melts bosses

[copper hawk]

just played a match w a psyker who went "gj" after our teammate startled a daemonhost on accident

and then proceeded not to help

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/virginity-is-cool-remain-pure-virginity-is-cool-remain-pure-virginity-gif-24583172

[copper hawk]

he was a lvl 1k+ player too

you'd think he'd chill the fuck out

we killed the dh btw

and mogged him w damage

he was running scriers

[brave lava]

EF is better there if you have a crit build imo
If not, then overpressure

[hollow kettle]

Does blaze away even work if you're replenishing the clip?

[spare talon]

i know

[brave lava]

Yep, it works based on ammo spent, according to the buff icon
If you shoot your entire ammo supply, it charges up once and then keeps the max buff

[hollow kettle]

Nice

[ember yew]

It should be, but i don't see any needs in everlasting flame and would opt-out towards Penetrating Flame or Overpressure.
Penetrating Flame = 2 clips = dead pack of 6+ crushers if the emergency arises

[tame mirage]

perks are crit chance and like flak or something or unyielding?

[hollow kettle]

It always feels like clip ends too soon

[frosty herald]

LMAO

[brave lava]

I do crit chance and maniac myself, to dump into rager hordes, but it might not be the optimal choice

I like to specialize my weapons a good bit

[spare talon]

dont do crit chance perk
its way too low to be worth the slot

[ember yew]

Depends how you use it, my primary usage is when i see a gigantic mixed horde with bulwarks and such, i don't use it on trash unless need to clear space near downed teammate

[spare talon]

you want flak and elites on flamer

[ember yew]

as so far 1 clip is enough for everything

[tame mirage]

doesn't it double stack flame tho?

[hollow kettle]

Is penetrating that good against crushers?

[rocky nacelle]

this with a piety build

light work

[ember yew]

1 clip do -50% Crushers HP damage

[brave lava]

Nah, only on purgatus staff

[spare talon]

it does
and 5% is 1/20
meaning it realistically happens 1-2 times per mag
is that really worth the perk slot

[rough galleon]

whoever at fatshark manually went in and changed the max finesse on my duelling sword to 79%, i hope your whole family has a nice christmas

[tame mirage]

mmhm

[spare talon]

vs 25% damage against what youre firing at

[frosty herald]

Do unyielding

[brave lava]

Hum? Crits double stacking work on the flamer too, now?

[spare talon]

always has been

[hollow kettle]

So not that great, got it

[spare talon]

but using a perk slot for 5% is just
a pitiful amount

[brave lava]

Huh, i swear i read somewhere it didn't

[tame mirage]

someone told me damage perks didn't affect burn stacks but thats probably bs

[spare talon]

burn caps out at 15 anyway

with 76% burn

[rocky nacelle]

true cara/unyld

[brave lava]

But yeah, the 5% is low, i just like the ammo replenishment thing myself

[hollow kettle]

Does bleed have max stacks?

[brave lava]

Ye, bleed is 16

[hollow kettle]

Thx

[frosty herald]

Good

[rocky nacelle]

dclaw piety + this bolter

sex

[spare talon]

id rather have a damage blessing and pen flames for actualy damage against crushers that are mixed in the group

[frosty herald]

I have puncturing shattering impact

And it hits like a truck

[rocky nacelle]

I was trying fire frenzy puncture

(everything died before puncture was super effective)

kek

[hollow kettle]

Does bleed refresh on applying?

[spare talon]

not like anything else i fire at is going to live through 1 mag of flamer

[frosty herald]

Yup

[spare talon]

so why would i need it to autoload

[frosty herald]

Bolter has base rending so bleed does full damage

[rocky nacelle]

fire frenzy is so fucking

it just makes bolter lore accurate

[brave lava]

Man, bolter with SI and bleed blessings is busted

[tame mirage]

my current flamer @spare talon

[frosty herald]

The patch is wonderful cause so many people are using different weapon setups

Not just the only meta picks

[ember yew]

me and my 4 builds with DS4:

[ember yew]

so finally a new toy

[tame mirage]

same...

[vapid sun]

same

[spare talon]

mine takes elites instead of unyield and dumps damage

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[ember yew]

i did unyelding+elites

[frosty herald]

I should swap flak for elites on ironhelm

[ember yew]

as i want to melt bulwarks first

[rocky nacelle]

elites carapace?

ironhelm

[spare talon]

thats fair

i do elites cuz pen flames now means crushers actually take damage from it

[ember yew]

and i also maintain

[rocky nacelle]

im using this for crucis rn

[ember yew]

burning debuff while i melee fight the boss

one puff

[frosty herald]

Yup

[ember yew]

from time to time

is enough

[frosty herald]

It allows for an easy thrust oneshot

[rocky nacelle]

sounds like a good ironhelm

might try

since special will just shit on flak

normally

[frosty herald]

Elites carapace thrust slaughterer

[ember yew]

can crucis kill crusher without carapace?

or not

[frosty herald]

Non activated heavies shit on enemies now

[brave lava]

Not in one shot or without other buffs

[rocky nacelle]

ok memory leak

[frosty herald]

Crucis has a higher damage profile and modifier

[ember yew]

i feel like memory leaks are much worse now

[brave lava]

Btw, is anyone using shock and awe on crucis?
I'm just getting into the hammers for the first time
Never found a good one before

[ember yew]

i get one after 1.5 hours or so

[rocky nacelle]

what to pair with Crucis

im thinking agri brauto

since hadron is free now

[ember yew]

or flamer

but that also means taking knifes

[frosty herald]

Shock & awe is hammer's worst blessing

[rocky nacelle]

flamer crucis is overkill (and im running bolter crucis saying that)

lmfao

[copper hawk]

erm

knives*

[rocky nacelle]

id rather take agri brauto on crucis

[copper hawk]

ur butchering our beautiful language

[spare talon]

no
no one is

[broken gulch]

Does sliding make you immune to all ranged damage during the slide?

I've heard mixed things.

[spare talon]

yes

it doesnt make you immune to melee though

[broken gulch]

I've operated under the assumption that it does - but my main duo is claiming that's a lie from hell.

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-penguins-penguin-love-penguin-hug-slapping-gif-24271495

[spare talon]

sliding to the side and back works like a normal dodge
sliding forward does not, and is basically just for ranged fire

[ember yew]

they must be tanner adepts

from heaven

[tame mirage]

yea a friend of mine that's new at the game is always like " HOW ARENT YOU GETTING SHOT? "

sliding c:

[broken gulch]

I am vindicated.

[ember yew]

hax

dodge cheats

[tame mirage]

it's ova

[ember yew]

must be a friend of (Fatshark)GMs

[spare talon]

where was that post somewhere of someone complaining about players "exploiting the game by sliding all the time" and asking for it to be removed

[ember yew]

and remove sprint

let's play

a slowpoke version

like Vermintide 2

no slide, no sprint

[tame mirage]

lol

[broken gulch]

I've seen people use the mod that auto completes the funny hacking minigame.

[ember yew]

there's no mod like that

[broken gulch]

there absolutely is.

[ember yew]

only the one that shows all buttons

[tame mirage]

there is decoder helper

yea

[ember yew]

it shows the positions

but you still need to press

it by yourself

[twilit shard]

@copper hawk This is why I use for the drip

Cause the helmet sucks without it

[broken gulch]

i've heard someone complete the minigame in under half a second - standing next to them.

[ember yew]

it can happen

[tame mirage]

ye I've gotten lucky like that

[ember yew]

if 3 symbols are placed vertically

[tame mirage]

it happens

[ember yew]

you can complete all 3 instantly

depends on luck

[broken gulch]

There's also apparently a mod that helps dodging by giving a visual indicator.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember yew]

not sure about that one

[hollow kettle]

You already have sound warning

[ember yew]

but there's a basic backstab sound within the game itself

[broken gulch]

It's what I've been told.

[hollow kettle]

What for

[broken gulch]

It's a visual exclamation mark on the side of your screen apparently.

[ember yew]

maybe they are talking about spidey sense

but it shows visuals indicators

for type of mobs you yourself use (in that mod)

[spare talon]

a mod that shows an indicator that an overhead is occuring within your set proximity

[ember yew]

what its called

[spare talon]

which is useful for silent crushers or maulers that are sneakily hiding behind that bulwark in front of you

its part of spidey sense

[ember yew]

[rocky nacelle]

ok new loadout time

less heavy weapons

even though bolter TH is funny

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/red-color-favorite-color-simon-pryce-red-wiggle-gif-15016424

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-cat-sovicat-soviet-ussr-cat-gif-21826197

[spare talon]

reminder that all mods on nexus are ok in the eyes of fatshark

[tame mirage]

eh i don't use many mods

[broken gulch]

I'unno I don't like mods that like, show enemy health in game and such.
Feels weird to do.

[tame mirage]

eh

[broken gulch]

I have like, scoreboard.
... creature spawner, and a few QoL mods besides.

[hollow kettle]

More health bars are just clutter

[ember yew]

welp, nobody is forcing mods on anyone

so its fine

[spare talon]

healthbars on elites and specialists only is very helpful honestly

[tame mirage]

yeaq

[ember yew]

when 350 shits are on fire

[tame mirage]

I like truelevel

[broken gulch]

Scoreboard and True Level are entirely designed to point and laugh at people.

I yearn for green circles.

[hollow kettle]

Green circles?

[broken gulch]

Vermintide.

Has a scoreboard that circled the highest stats in green at the end screen.

[tame mirage]

green circle farming..

[ember yew]

this comes from 1k hours elf main

||me||

[hollow kettle]

Ah that

[frosty herald]

Always bounty hunter elfs

[spare talon]

dopamine injected into my eyes

[broken gulch]

I've obliterated an elf as BH.
She jumped in the way of a blessed shots, dual shot, headshot on cataclysm.
Full health to ragdolled.

[tame mirage]

MISSED? AGAIN DWARF? I SUPPOSE YOULL BLAME YOUR SHORT ARMS.

[ember yew]

damn i once oneshotted cruber with BH ult with crit headshot

feel bad

[frosty herald]

Deserved for existing

[broken gulch]

DWARF HUNTING

[tame mirage]

are you drunk dwarf?

[broken gulch]

Poggers Ridge?

[delicate sail]

what perks should I run on the flamer?

[tame mirage]

if the elf can hold a drink

I'll my eat cousins hat

[delicate sail]

and blessings

[broken gulch]

i don't know so i'm going to say theorycraft yourself ayylmao

[tame mirage]

@delicate sail what enemies do you hate

[delicate sail]

but i wanna be lazy lmao, I've been running everlasting and penetrating atm

[broken gulch]

I always felt like 'what should I run for x' is always easy to answer if you look at your options, but i've never bothered to look at flamer stuff since I only run revolver.

[tame mirage]

throwing knife supremacy

[broken gulch]

uhh, eviscerator crit martyr zealot.

[hollow kettle]

Knives are great

[broken gulch]

I need F to live otherwise I keel over.

[tame mirage]

I can't live without my flamer and tknives

[ember yew]

i still need to try

DS4 martyrdom

[tame mirage]

ewwww

[hollow kettle]

Zarona revolver, mk6 knife and throwing knives

My beloved

[tame mirage]

why rev and tknife

[ember yew]

probably hogging points

[fading vale]

It feels nice only having maybe 30 things in my inventory in total

[tame mirage]

fire

I need fire

[frozen kernel]

Time to take the new baby for a spin

[tame mirage]

if I take rev I take immo nades

[prisma ember]

Ok fellas, name you top 4 crafts you made on this class. Two melee and two ranged with dump stats.

[tame mirage]

fire....

[vapid sun]

dueling sword, dueling sword, recon lasgun, revolver

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[vapid sun]

Its not a joke

[spare talon]

i swap to psyker to play a new build
dogs teleporting on top of me
silent point blank trappers
all resulting in instant death due to the situation

this game just does not want me to do anything different

[stone fern]

meta police got em

[vapid sun]

I wish psykers would explode the second they use any warp attacks

[hollow kettle]

Or turn into a beast of nurgle

[stone fern]

i wish u exploded everytime you got a crit

[vapid sun]

I do

all over

[stone fern]

hell yeah?

[frozen kernel]

this hurts more than anything

PICK UP THE DAMN PLASTEEL

[sinful widget]

you dont have infinite plasteel?

im calling the poor people police so they can lock u up

[native sail]

i would cheat engine plasteel if i could

with zero remorse

[vocal pulsar]

Started the update with 50k plasteel. Got down to 25k. Dismantled all my shit across two characters. 150k plasteel.

[vapid sun]

How do you actually get plasteel for weapons, i just get docketts

[rotund shoal]

sacrifice purple and above

dismantle not sacrifice

[vapid sun]

I'm pretty sure I have

idk

[rotund shoal]

how the fuck am i supposed to remember this

is this a joke

[ember yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1283741449007009792/1289113696483676182/image.png?ex=66f7a42f&is=66f652af&hm=ad5e34a8b42a0b489245bd80b7fe04d622fdae460da464abd8492df39d39f504&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=381&height=478

it is what it is

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-shrug-will-smith-idk-eh-gif-16144939

[spare talon]

psyker is fun until the game just decides you shouldnt exist anymore

[rotund shoal]

the dreg shooter soloed u

3 hit BR

truly blessed by nurgle

[rocky nacelle]

Psword VoC Plas vet

literally shooting every fucking thing

so I decide to let him run ahead since he thinks hes rambo

immediately sandwiches himself between a bulwark and gunners and dies

leaves

https://tenor.com/view/banned-trollmites-gif-21069267

how 2 be ass speedrun tutorial

[undone pewter]

They weren't ready for the Bulwark plasma change/bug idk

[rocky nacelle]

no he just ran ahead without killing shit properly

like a moron

lmfao

thats why I let him go ahead for 5 seconds to see if he was doing fine or if he was only fine because he was around people

lo and behold

[undone pewter]

Plasma and Powersword at the same time though
Eugh.

[rocky nacelle]

enabling ass playstyle

VoC plasma psword

[undone pewter]

Total dodge distance of 5 cms

[rocky nacelle]

might as well play on sedition

dont need to dodge if everything is dead and VoC just tanks sniper shots/overheads

quite crazy

[undone pewter]

I need dodge because power swords dodge is dogshit

Feels so clunky I hate it

[rocky nacelle]

zealot was running flamer with piety

and rending flames/ ever lasting flame

[acoustic dune]

its that time of year again lads

[rocky nacelle]

his perks were crit dmg and crit chance

lmfao

[acoustic dune]

its time to piss on the cultist

my piss itchy

[pale axle]

hi

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/cell-writing-blackbeard-writing-gif-5728066505004548744

[misty nova]

Everlasting Flamer was interesting to see

My teammate never had to reload lol

Purgatus Flamer combo is real

[stone fern]

blazing piety ds5?????

[tame mirage]

LOVE THE DS4

[acoustic dune]

i feel slow with the knife

wtf

[tame mirage]

OP or BA with EF?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015943080328835122/1286664910251626646/sg3hUv5.gif

[acoustic dune]

wtf are you babbling about

[tame mirage]

overpressure or blaze away with everlasting flame

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015943080328835122/1286664910251626646/sg3hUv5.gif?ex=66f74d53&is=66f5fbd3&hm=576e997964c63e372fb0ac3d1d0f43b8e6b1b2413332d73327bd8c0f61bc2e1b&

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-cat-talking-reply-gif-24471552

[tame mirage]

probs op

TBH

https://imgur.com/cJQyibm

[acoustic dune]

did he awner his own question

least insane zealot

[tame mirage]

im just thinking aloud

[rotund shoal]

reminder that fatshark nerfed swift certainty

[tame mirage]

OK

[rotund shoal]

for no reason whatsoever

[tame mirage]

in text

weewooo

[acoustic dune]

what how

[tame mirage]

they hate zealot

[rotund shoal]

making it truly useless

10% > 5%

ms

[tame mirage]

wasd

[earnest yew]

Dueling swords kraked

[frozen kernel]

Should I go crucis or ironhelm TH?

[rotund shoal]

i was debating bringing it on evis just for the qol but now its more or less uselsss

5% means nothing

10% was low enough

[spare talon]

Look at dt subreddit
People talking about zealot ds
"Yeah I'm running weakspot and crit chance but I thinking about changing crit chance to sprint efficiency"

[earnest yew]

Personally I like crucis over iron helm cuz the heavy attacks are sweeps instead of an over head slam then sweeps

[tame mirage]

crucis is best now

[frozen kernel]

You've sold me. I love me some charged heavy sweeps

What's the dump stat?

[tame mirage]

they changed the charge to an overhead as well

so its just c:

[copper hawk]

U3gh

[earnest yew]

Defense

Or crowd control

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/x-prixz-gif-25364849

[copper hawk]

CC dump stat..

[stone fern]

puncture+shattering+t4unyielding+peetag and whatever the fuck the rest of the team did

[copper hawk]

Redditors

[stone fern]

bruh the power creep is not even funny anymore

[copper hawk]

Hatw that guy

[lean lark]

you always chastise when shooting bolter btw

[frosty herald]

Fucking hell that bleed is insane

[lean lark]

the atk speed works for the gun too

so you just deal the dmg faster

[stone fern]

wat

[drifting hinge]

Hey degens, after 10 years of ignoring zealot I am up for playing it

any good builds to recommend?

[tame mirage]

no

[stone fern]

i thought got patched

[tame mirage]

c:

[drifting hinge]

I know you don't have a guide of any kind

[earnest yew]

Rat knife lmao

[stone fern]

marty

[drifting hinge]

because unorganized rabble

[lean lark]

dont think it did

[tame mirage]

😬

[lean lark]

when i played i was still shooting way faster after chastise

[frosty herald]

On every weapon groaner poxwalker

[oak ermine]

Any particular weapons you want to play, pal?

[lean lark]

maybe i just triggered momentum stacks instead

[drifting hinge]

Not like superior Ogrynkind

[frosty herald]

Impact blessings deal huge damage

[gray ice]

no chastise still gives ranged atk speed

[drifting hinge]

@oak ermine I have one fun with Thunda Hammah

[rotund shoal]

it was armor class downgrade now its 100% rending

[spare talon]

Any time I see that shit
I have to take action

[frozen kernel]

send hammahs

[spare talon]

It's my duty

[drifting hinge]

but wanna roll with Heavy Sword or Evis because Evis is Cool (or any other chain wepo).

[frosty herald]

Crit damage would be better if it counted the entire damage number instead of just the crit damage itself

[stone fern]

bruh i know

[gray ice]

i really wished that would've changed this pass

[stone fern]

i mean ti doesnt work for ranged anymore

[stone fern]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9337be-44b5-4bdc-a019-993172437a2f/axe

i do this for rashad

[lean lark]

itd be busted though on certain weapons

[spare talon]

It still gives 20% attack speed

[lean lark]

so i see why they didnt

[gray ice]

crit needs to work with the whole to be worth <_<

[drifting hinge]

That's a Rashad. Not evi or hsword. SMH.

[stone fern]

"eh"

[gray ice]

or at least the perk number has to be brought up to like 25

[frosty herald]

It would be busted with knife

But otherwise its a dead perk

[lean lark]

25% would make it somewhat more usable on certain things

[gray ice]

some stuff can be passed upon so it doesn't break with those

[stone fern]

tbh theyre pretty much the same

[lean lark]

but it counting the whole damage

[drifting hinge]

also bolbgun, huh

[gray ice]

but leaving it cuz it's strong on two weapons and dead on 78 seems dumb

[stone fern]

im a stuns enjoyer

[lean lark]

you'd need to count in shit that already deals a ton of dmg, but with chastise you can just guarantee a crit on it

[frosty herald]

Just tweak crit modifiers on attacks

[gray ice]

this is one of those things they should just test and see

[spare talon]

Either make that perk worth it
Or get rid of it
Simple as

[gray ice]

just deploy the change and collect data, they don't have a test server so why not

[lean lark]

they do

[gray ice]

i meant this in particular lol, being a lil hyperbolic

[frosty herald]

Playtesters all play on a seperate server

[gray ice]

yea, skelly, hank, and the rest ik

[frosty herald]

You would have 2.13 ×1.10 as the knife crit damage modifier

[lean lark]

id assume they do have that type of ordeal happening there, because its kind of just a defeault thing for most games to have

everyone can change a couple numbers

[gray ice]

yea, some alphas I've been in engaged in the rapid patching thing

It was fairly interesting honestly

[oak ermine]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d1c12dd-dfc7-406d-9d8a-98ea010072a6/zealob?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This should work. Opportunist on Evis can be swapped for Shred if you feel like it, and if you don't feel teamwork-y, Blazing Piety left branch can be swapped for the right one (but the left one is really, really good right now IMO, especially if other people in your team use crits).

I also use Evis 2 as Evis 15 is broken stupid, and I don't like making my life too easy and rather have a more engaging moveset.

Any keystone can work with this, though

[drifting hinge]

Evi15 it is then

[oak ermine]

Swap to Wounds curios if using Marty

[rotund shoal]

i run basically the same thing but ij instead of piety and shred instead of opportunist

[oak ermine]

Evis 15 can probably get away with Rampage + Bloodthirsty, and Flak + Elite perks (I don't recall if Elites is necessary, though; otherwise UY is also OK for more boss damage).

[gray ice]

new thunder hammer is greaat fun

[lean lark]

thammer is now super viable

[oak ermine]

What about its horde clear? Is it any better?

[lean lark]

i managed to keep up with a gunlug and a shout plasma vet in a 12veg

[gray ice]

they implemented the exact thing I said it should have two years ago

[lean lark]

its better but

just run flamer now

[gray ice]

which is a strikedown heavy after the special

[oak ermine]

Yeah, that's what I thought

[lean lark]

they could've just had that as a new mark though, you cant do the wide swing charged like before

[oak ermine]

cheers, though, it's about time I undusted my flamer

[lean lark]

since they made marks very easy to add and move around

[gray ice]

you can if you delay slightly or block cancel

but I get what you mean

[lean lark]

too much work

[gray ice]

it's clunky to do

[lean lark]

im already holding more keys than w

i cant do more

[gray ice]

ironhelm can do that still right?

but it's ironhelm so

[lean lark]

ironhelm got changed again

[gray ice]

f

[lean lark]

but its apparently very good now too

[gray ice]

Imma try it today for sure once i get some sleep

all of my time has been serving the emperor, it's just a matter of darktide or space marine

[spare talon]

My question is why opportunist on evis to begin with, does the rev attack on an enemy put them in a state that's considered staggered?

[gray ice]

I've just been doing crucis today, it feels so good now

the hit stun delay reduction is incredibly noticeable

[frosty herald]

Ironhelm is so peak now

[lean lark]

its cool to see flamer killing everything again

[gray ice]

that everlasting flame blessing is gross

[tame mirage]

again,,?

[lean lark]

crushers included

[gray ice]

yea flamer lost it's spot for a bit after chastise ranged reduction sweep

[oak ermine]

2 shots Crusher to the head with Carapace perk on Mk2 Evis - otherwise you have to use Fury, so it’s a bit more resource intensive. Mk15 shouldn’t run into this issue and/or can rely on Bloodthirsty instead to chain oneshots.

I do have to run more extensive tests, though, so if there’s anything faulty here, do let me know, I’ll adjust appropriately

[tame mirage]

i always used it c:

fire my beloved...

[fading vale]

the heavy overhead makes me big sad tho

[gray ice]

yooo good to see you again

[spare talon]

It literally only stopped being viable against 1 enemy

[fading vale]

yo

[lean lark]

purgatus psyker is so fucking stupid

[spare talon]

And continued to sweep everything else

[tame mirage]

excatly

[lean lark]

again

[tame mirage]

cat

[oak ermine]

Also I’m fairly sure Evis rev attacks do stagger the main target for Oppo to kick in

[gray ice]

You got so used to old hammer didn't you

[lean lark]

theres so many synergies between the talents

[frozen kernel]

Anything I should swap out?

[gray ice]

show clip I know you have one

I haven't even looked at psyker yet

[lean lark]

psyker is ogryn now

[gray ice]

Iooool

[fading vale]

the horizontal feels so much more interesting and versatile

the overhead is just kinda boring

[spare talon]

Flamer was soooooo bad guys it was USELESS without any rending why would ANYONE use it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1289173133546487858/Darktide_replay_2024.08.09-23.21_-_Trim.mp4?ex=66f7db8a&is=66f68a0a&hm=bcf8cb6ec51f06a36e7731e0ee15d1ddb57549d9a388fc46a59b59c81261ec6f&

[mighty root]

@spare talon how would you build the ds on vet?

[gray ice]

I'd have to use hammer a lot more to definitely say which one I liked the most

[mighty root]

Uncanny and precog?

[gray ice]

I do know I absolutely prefer current dmg profile

[lean lark]

just put my fries in the bag bro

[fading vale]

I hit heads less consistently with the overhead atm anyways

[gray ice]

I'm glad I can splat crushers again

[fading vale]

oh yeah, the new damage and buffed lights are dope

[lean lark]

dont have one of purg

[mighty root]

Or thrust and precog

[lean lark]

forgot to record

[gray ice]

being able to maul shotgunner and gunner squads without even having to power it is just mmmmmm

[rotund shoal]

i dont like relying on rev attack on crushers cuz of the self stun

[gray ice]

lights feel like they always should've good target pickers

[rotund shoal]

its good if theres not many enemies or not a pack of crushers but i try not to optimize it for that

[nimble fiber]

slaughterer on crusher feels pretty good ngl

[fading vale]

I'm playing with good players using dueling sword and shit though so it's still hard to get kills first lol

[spare talon]

I've not played with it on vet tbh and I've not thought about it
My brain is just going thrust precog for all classes rn

[rotund shoal]

with shred u can get high dps with heavies and lights instead

while clearing horde around it

[gray ice]

yea I ran into one rando psyker earlier and got a glimpse into the warp i tell you what

[rotund shoal]

also bolter

[gray ice]

bolter massive

[mighty root]

Yeah that’s what I’m heavily leaning towards

[gray ice]

I needa try chained deathblow hsword next just for the fun of it

wanna run it with everlasting flamer

[spare talon]

I learned that psykers "up to 100% cleave based on peril" applied to everything

including assail

6 targets per shard

[gray ice]

warp brothers you feast this day

[spare talon]

Ep scriers with the node that makes you unable to blow up during the lasting buff

[gray ice]

I gotta go ask the psykers for a build I can give to my friend then

maybe he'll stop dying

[fading vale]

assail is still so damn silly

[lean lark]

i do have this though

[spare talon]

Slinging 6 target shards
Wiping hordes in literally 4 seconds

[gray ice]

the jfk with prejudice

[coarse birch]

Assail is very funny

[rocky marsh]

LAZORR BEK

WHA U THIN KOF NEW HAMMER

[gray ice]

i mean assail was relatively balanced for a minute there wasn't it

[lean lark]

nope

[fading vale]

new hammer good, wish I could turn off the heavy overhead

[gray ice]

aight i tried

[lean lark]

its just people ran smite more than assail

[gray ice]

lol

[rocky marsh]

why

[lean lark]

so it got overshadowed

[fading vale]

horizontal far more interesting and more versatile

[lean lark]

i ran smite because it let me get the nodes i wanted

[fading vale]

more fun to whip camera around

[lean lark]

but now i can just run assail since it doesnt matter

[rocky marsh]

hmmm

[spare talon]

And people will still run smite and sit there watching the 3 poxwalkers slowly die

[red forge]

[tame mirage]

Smite has never been good

[fading vale]

I liked aiming the horizontal, was very rewarding

[mighty root]

[lean lark]

instead of taking out their literal best melee in the fucking game

[mighty root]

I hate that

[rocky marsh]

smite is OP :v
its so good i hate it when people use it because games get boring

[undone pewter]

I like hurting them

[spare talon]

Smite has been gamebreakinly good
It's just that no one uses it right and takes the fun away from everyone

[gray ice]

does brain burst and left side psyker still work against each other

[mighty root]

Yeah smite those 2 pox walkers

[nimble fiber]

playing devils claw sword with 3 smite psykers is a pain

[rocky nacelle]

yam elite carapace ironhelm is good

[rocky marsh]

non psyker main spotted

[rocky nacelle]

purge the unclean with it as well

[tame mirage]

IM STOOOOOOOOOOONING

[rocky marsh]

i thnk they could have kept the horizontal while giving the cleave
without the cleave horizontal quite hard to hit

[nimble fiber]

sign to turn down my volume

[mighty root]

Playing with smite psykers who only smite hoards and nothing important

[gray ice]

honestly biggest sleeper hit (it's just fun)

recon lasgun

so happy I can use on zealot now

[lean lark]

i only use smite to help people with objs if theres an enemy i cant kill fast or someone is reviving someone

or scab melee only pubs

[spare talon]

They're never smiting anything important cuz they fucking die to fast to it

[coarse birch]

Oh right its on zealot

[fading vale]

I liked it without the cleave but will agree it was difficult for many to learn, the slight cleave does help with a hitbox priority issue when poxwalkers are inside of other enemies

[nimble fiber]

imagine teamates could be smited

[gray ice]

yea i think a bunch of people still don't realize cuz it wasn't added to brunts >_>

[lean lark]

what do you think of the unyielding nerf

[rocky marsh]

its not fun having to clear all the zombies before you can 1 tap the crusher

[lean lark]

which didnt really change much

because of self stun making up for the burst dmg loss in dps

[fading vale]

this is the fun part of learning how to do it

[rocky marsh]

:v

[fading vale]

a big fat who gives a fuck cause it still trivializes monstrosities

[lean lark]

i didnt feel the change at all

[coarse birch]

I do agree i wish that kinda stuff existed more, needing to learn stuff to master weapons is neat

[lean lark]

ive always made sure to stack my buffs before hitting a boss so not much changed

[stone fern]

if you didnt feel it then you never stacked enough buffs

[mighty root]

Also does the one talent that gives 40% peril reduction for toughness -30% reduction is that only In cohesion?

[fading vale]

I've been annoyingly missing bonbons face with the overhead cause it keeps hitting above it and it makes me want to punch my screen

[lean lark]

i still oneshot weakeneds and twoshot full hps

think you need to check your configs

[rocky marsh]

lazorr facing skill issue

[gray ice]

I think more complex weapons at this point would be neat since most of the base weapons are fairly simple

[rocky marsh]

i want more complex mechanics

[fading vale]

I have to aim at the fucking ground or be far away cause the swing distance so long now

is weird

[pure token]

Like what?

[lean lark]

i always aimed for the back so its been a lot smoother

[gray ice]

crusher is a pretty good example

[lean lark]

no need to do weird ass fuckin flicks and angles to hit it

[fading vale]

Yeah hitting the back is easier

[rocky marsh]

like rewarding the player for doing quell slide, or quell cancel (normal variant or surge variant)

tho im in zealot caht now.

[coarse birch]

Yeah some weapons have weird hitboxes on overheads i assume to make headshot easier but it can make it high sometimes

[gray ice]

lots of simple combos but ways to weave stuff together to do specific things

[coarse birch]

Crusher is great yeah

[nimble fiber]

hello and welcome to zealot caht

[gray ice]

i would like one zealot caht please

eviscerator mk 2 is another one that has some nice mechanics to play around with

still prefer that one, mk15 is too simple push stab is cool tho

[fading vale]

I wonder if I could just macro special with block cancel and how fast that would be

[coarse birch]

Probably very

[rotund shoal]

quell cancel is kind of its own reward

but i agree on quell sliding

[coarse birch]

Although they made quell cancel easier a bit ago

[gray ice]

because of animations not as fast as you'd think probs

[rotund shoal]

its not like theyve patched it but i was always unsure if quell cancelling is even 100% ok

[gray ice]

was kinda practicing the block cancel to access the horizontal but im obviously not a robot

[rotund shoal]

or wont get patched out

[fading vale]

yeah just depends if they are cancelable

but I think probably slower than I want

[gray ice]

much

[pure token]

Maybe, idk if I’m a massive fan of that sort of stuff
Sometimes games like that just feel like you’re just learning tech to be better at the game

[gray ice]

you'd have to set it up well in advance even accounting for faster macro speed id guess

[fading vale]

I'll test it in a bit

[pure token]

I don’t really like learning complex techs, I sorta just instinctively play and I’d feel kinda bad if doing that made you mechanically worse than someone who is getting buffed for complex attack cancels or whatever

[nimble fiber]

yeee we gettin fiber

[gray ice]

there's plenty of room for both, I don't think other people are bad is the reason to keep a skill ceiling low

[fading vale]

doing more difficult things should be rewarding

[gray ice]

having more complex marks reward you for learning a weapon is good it gives you actual mastery

[fading vale]

like a Rashad should not be as rewarding as it is because it's simply spam m1 and brain off

but oh well, that ain't gonna change

[nimble fiber]

while u learned to do backflips vin studied the blade

[rocky marsh]

i like that alot.
I feel thats how you make a game with depth, and also how you make a fun game.

Even if you don't learn it, you could still play at a5mael (which is what is happening rn) just that if you do learn it, you get even better.
Let players who want to get better get better.

|| - as a nioh2 fanboy who no longer has time or energy to play nioh 2||

[lean lark]

some very basic combos for some innate buffs would be neat like, hsword9 l1 into h2 making the heavy come out faster/have more cleave

[gray ice]

i feel like fixing axe isn't necessarily that hard but I'm an idiot. Removing BM kinda feels like a no brainer tho

[fading vale]

yeah BM in all forms needs to go

[coarse birch]

Yep

[lean lark]

bm should've just been a cleave buff

[coarse birch]

I dont even use it on hsword

[rocky marsh]

leave my grind weapon alone >:v

[gray ice]

i might end up replacing it with chained deathblow

[fading vale]

hsword has built in BM for 2 targets anyways lol

[coarse birch]

Ignore game mechanic is p busted as it turns out

[coarse birch]

Its nice

[gray ice]

exactly

[oak ermine]

OK, so, facets to sum up and/or to explore would be:

• Opportunist might be redundant/reliable Crusher clear might be redundant on Mk2; I had listed Shred as a viable alternative, though, so not much to discover here; I think Rampage is staple,
• Mk15 might want Opportunist to be completely independent of Bloodthirsty; I'll see how that fares,
• What about perks for Mk2 Evis? Maniac is almost certainly OK; Flak would be close/equal second? Does anything else do anything?
• Can Bolter fill the Crusher clear role instead? Is PF + Cavalcade good or would SI work as a replacement? (I don't think it does, but happy to change my mind if it does anything remotely relevant). Is UY + Flak OK? (anti-Crusher might want Cara perk in place of one of the perks).

[gray ice]

basically guaranteed crit dmg sounds neat

[coarse birch]

I think thrust ht has been the best non DB combo ive found but its still good

[fading vale]

what's chained deathblow

[coarse birch]

20% crit chance on WS kill

[gray ice]

crit on weakspot kills from memory

[fading vale]

woo 80% crit chance

[frozen glen]

rending hsword

wow vin and laz are back

[lean lark]

rending blessing is very nice on it too

[gray ice]

fun for the whole family

[frozen glen]

nature is healing

[coarse birch]

Rendings neat just very situational

[lean lark]

its a horde clear buff always

minimum+

[rocky marsh]

wait so bolter still can't do crusher killer effectivel even after buffs?

[lean lark]

very helpful for flak trash packs

[vocal pulsar]

@coarse birch are we gaming

[gray ice]

no bolter is pretty great at it now

[vocal pulsar]

@fading vale

[coarse birch]

I can yeah

In a few mins

[vocal pulsar]

Relax. Not that big of a deal.

[fading vale]

I can in 15 minutes

[lean lark]

it could but now it can do it better

[oak ermine]

It almost certainly can, I just wonder if it’s handy having a perk/blessing for that or not, as Flak + UY is solid, and so is PF+Cavalcade

[vocal pulsar]

Really dude?

[coarse birch]

Let me get food and stuff

[vocal pulsar]

Mods can we do something about this guy

[gray ice]

spin his chair

[frozen glen]

still eating in 2024

[rocky marsh]

always felt it was meh at best against crushers
I made a vet build for it as well and was even more meh than zealot

[coarse birch]

Ok why am i getting cooked

[lean lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dogez-monkey-washing-gif-23131080

[rotund shoal]

re: perks -- I do maniac and flak without testing so can't comment.
re: bolter -- the relatively shit uptime of the bolter (unless youre fine reloading and eating a lot of ammo, as well as the pullout makes it difficult to bring out somemtimes) means that it wont be covering 100% of crusher clear. For packs of elites i try to bring it out and if its out of ammo or theres less crushers, I just use the evi.
also for bolter is run fire frenzy + cavalcade now. fire frenzy requires some trash in front of the crusher but once it gets ramped up it ambsolutely demolishes.

[coarse birch]

Ive done nothing to you people 😭

[gray ice]

oh right bolter does have fire frenzy now

[oak ermine]

Oh, right, FF is also an option

[gray ice]

i gotta try that with pinning

[sterile stone]

They just letting y'all get away with all types of tomfoolery now

[lean lark]

why would they ever add ff to bolter i'll never know

[gray ice]

shrug

[lean lark]

anything to not buff pinning fire i guess, so it works out

[coarse birch]

It uh

[gray ice]

hey guys we took pinning fire away

[coarse birch]

Its needs it

[gray ice]

now have it back

[coarse birch]

Or something

[gray ice]

recon las baybeeeeeeeee

https://tenor.com/view/laser-laser-tools-laser-show-lasers-party-gif-15666808

[rotund shoal]

its balanced out by the poor reload, still poor switch speed (just better) and ammo hungriness

also its basically 50% of the what pinning fire used to be

[gray ice]

and then you can add actual pinning fire to make it 75% of what pinning fire used to be

[rotund shoal]

on lower difs you can absolutely 100% all armor with it but higher difs you need to melee as well

[frozen glen]

autopistol still trying to atone for its pre patch 13 sins

[rotund shoal]

yes but pinning fire used to be all 100% of that + calvacde for vet like crits on zealot

[lean lark]

was about to say

did autopistol get anything at all

[gray ice]

it will never flagellate enough

[coarse birch]

Only hsword psyker exists to me rn

[frozen glen]

jack shit

[gray ice]

a ribbon

[coarse birch]

Ap must repent forever

It seems

[lean lark]

the game gave me 2 different perf godrolls of shredder on vet back when it was busted

[gray ice]

aight i need sleep now tho, peace out peeps

[coarse birch]

GN VIN

[sterile stone]

It's almost 8 am

Whaddyah mean

[polar nexus]

scryer hsword or wc?

[coarse birch]

SC

Cause im taking agri shotgun or something as well usually

Agri revo if i get tired of cara being slow

[polar nexus]

scryer braced is funny

[coarse birch]

that too

[lean lark]

scriers is now my defeault psyker ability since it has the 10s of no-overload

i only used shriek because it let me keep spamming warp attacks longer

since scriers has that utility now too theres little reason to not use it

[frosty herald]

Infinite trauma

[lean lark]

its very good

zarona rev gunker also got an indirect gigabuff in the form of the reload talent

[rocky nacelle]

agri more better

[lean lark]

if you reload with zarona you can maintain 99.99% peril constantly with it (even though it says you cant get the reload speed past 75% peril)

idk if its a zarona-only bug but i noticed it with zarona first

[polar nexus]

hmm i should try that i the psyk

what talent do you need?

[lean lark]

ill ss in a sec

and upload a clip displaying it

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-oneshot-ballin-teste-niko-ballin-gif-26110464

[lean lark]

its the one above disrupt destiny

if i remember the name correctly

its at the bottom of the tree so its pretty point hungry

[coarse birch]

True aim?

Or reload

[lean lark]

reload

you get peril above 75% if you reload still, and maintain the reload speed

and you also cant overload with it

[rotund shoal]

beautiful animation

[lean lark]

yeah that

[nimble fiber]

[polar nexus]

also, getting 10% speed attack makes rashad a choice to consider now

[frosty herald]

I alr know someone is doing a high peril power build with zarona

My guess each bullet is counted as a reload in technicality

[polar nexus]

true

[coarse birch]

Thats how it is for shotguns

[lean lark]

ok no it applies to everything

[polar nexus]

this could work with db too

[pure token]

Yeah but like being rewarded for complex techs will inevitably make that a determiner of skill
Whether it’s possible to do well without them or not, you’ll always be worse than those who do learn them

[frosty herald]

You could also start a reload and sprint for the same effect

[drifting hinge]

Thanks for this. It rocks. Lots of fun.

Didn't know Bolbgun is great again.

[rotund shoal]

People who learn game mechanics and techniques will be better than people who don't?

I will play the smallest violin now

I think they should make it more obvious what those techs are in the first place

[glossy sparrow]

thammer fucks

why did i use ignatius crusher

[fading vale]

alright so block cancel macro to skip the crucis overhead works fairly well

there's around 730ms in charge up animation before it's actionable

[paper harness]

Macro user

[fading vale]

unless you chain specials then the animation time is longer

bruh I'm not going to manually block cancel every special I do

[stone fern]

hell yeah

[lean lark]

ehh seems excessive

[stone fern]

boltgun with bleed kinda stupid rn

[lean lark]

ill just accept the overhead and re-learn angles

[rocky nacelle]

block cancel macro to cancel overhead for crucis you mean just holding rmb after special charge

kek

[stone fern]

when is zealot gonna lose the post blitz pain points?

[fading vale]

eh, i can just hold m1 for the overhead if I want it

[lean lark]

a very very good thing about the overhead is

to get my weakspot hit with the thammer and also get my 20% backstab dmg

i dont have to do the weird flick and angling

[fading vale]

that's what jumping and flicking is for

[lean lark]

which took the fun out of it, but also made it easier to get done

so idm since darktide is a very fuck-around game for me

hahahah wait a minute

wouldnt shock&awe actually do something for crucis now since the overhead has 1 cleave

shock&awe hidden gem

[fading vale]

i doubt it does anything meaningful but maybe, doesn't it have 3 cleave

[lean lark]

i heard it has 1 cleave

is darktide breakpoint calc updated?

[north niche]

bros...i have like a 20% histg win rate on my zealot, why am i so bad

[lean lark]

who gives a shit about win rates

you can get unlucky in games, it happens

just have fun

[charred oasis]

ive been out for a year, anyone got a link to the current zealot meta builds? I used to play a lot of support zealot

[rotund shoal]

try to ask yourself whenever you go down why you went down

you wont be able to prevent everything but if you see yourself going down often to common threats

like a horde with ragers etc. u can try to practice those in psykhanium

or change your build around them

also spectacting ppl in aurics is also great

or watch true solos of aurics to get ideas but usually they do some strats that arent great in normal games

[glossy sparrow]

whats the thammer combos

heavy spam for big horde

special heavy for big lad

[lean lark]

heavy spam for hordes, elites

[frozen glen]

we go down cuz that one rando has no situational awareness and bursters/barrels/flamer explodes you off a ledge

[lean lark]

if 1 elite/3 enemies then special for elite or l1 for the enemies

[glossy sparrow]

light spam for groups of smols

ok

[frozen glen]

no

[lean lark]

if its like legit 2 enemies

if not you just heavy spam again

[glossy sparrow]

ye i mean that

i'm like running into gunners and bonking

shits so satisfying

[lean lark]

you can also do l1 after heavies if someone is still alive

[glossy sparrow]

ah

l1 also armor pierce?

[lean lark]

l1 has ok armor pen

[frosty herald]

hammer combos

heavy 1 heavy 2

[lean lark]

its like 300-400 dmg vs carapace and 500+ for flak i think

[pure token]

Plenty of games don’t implement complex techs with big rewards because the best players then just become those who can perform it the best

It’s not even an argument. Lots of people and devs don’t want their games to be like that

[nimble fiber]

I wonder how many zealots play ds/bolter rn

[frozen glen]

idk about bolter

but 80% of my pubs have ds zealot

[rotund shoal]

i dont see a lot of ds zealots actually on eu

bolter i see every game

[frosty herald]

theres so much weapon variety and blessing variety that it wont be that big of a group

[nimble fiber]

same, Im just happy and fulfilled with my crusher ngl

[stone fern]

me