#zealot-class
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We have a bunch but it's a canadian company so they still have a base here
I have some vile speech bubble gifs that I can't post here
lucky
I remember A&W being quite good
as a kid
it's pretty good
this is definitely some sort of combi weapon somewhere
@lusty oar
they really just do this
yea I got some good gifs/speech bubbles too psycho
but
they might be too gamer

heres me btw
thanks backup
only good ones
now ive lost my train of thought for the gif I was going to search up
what the fuck is this reddit post
HOW many dockets?????
I'm sorry what
fucking mr moneybags over here
Trauma-tic Zealot builds
for reddit gamers
Let me tell you something 'bout a friend of ours-a named Jimmy
zealot chat agreeing to hate smitekers
ill lookat my first starred gifs
mine was this
is dumping damage actually viable at all?
on flamers
my first starred is this
Flamer and purge staff is like where dmg doesn't matter all that much (as long as it isnt in shitter iirc)
dude I can't feel my hands
Holy crap this chat needs a purge, its full of heretics
I think my nerves are dying
Anime posting heretics
where
oh another general tard in here
on weapons like IAGs or Braced autoguns you can be fine with 65-70+- damage, basically if weapon doesnt go with hard breakpoints aka oneshots/twoshots/etc
it can be done

They know who they are
Me asf
Im sad there is no gif version of the guy tasing his balls
nvm found it
PURGE PURGE PURGE
Holy yap
Im sick and I would definately breath on you all
me when im shooting rats in a cave have massacred a dozen rats so far huge rat comes out of nowhere botj guns immediately jam and giant rat 1 taps me
Im glad that gif is gonna get tormented into so many new things
Colour*
even worse
british spotted
Lets use real english if we are going to be nit picky
no i dont think so
Well then don't come at me about spelling when you are using pigeon english
yap yap yap
Spam spam spam
there's a reason it's called "british english" and not simply "english" like the correct version
lmao
the only correct english is whatever tf i want it to be
Hey I think all the other chats are dead
No its called english and the other is called american english or canadian english, both of which are just really dumbed down english
the br*tish when I say im eating chips and not the queen's crispy crunchy poolshire worcestershire jibbly bibbly delights
oh yeah?
well the lion roars...
but the hawk....
the hawk tuahs.....
not a bad as he rest of the planet tho
when other countries start putting their flag on the moon maybe ill hear them out
Im not brittish lol the rest of the world uses english english just america and canada use dumb english
lol
now he has nothing to say to defend himself
Gottem
lost his composure
GAINS AN EYE
thats what happens when you dont goon
waht not gooning does to a mf
movie lots aren't the moon bud
ancient powers
hahaha
total AI death
typing while in vr sucks bruh
Lmfao I love the devision where you class yourselves by where you chat too in here, only server ive seen it in
Astarion stans need to be shepherded all onto one place and their brains studied
legit
mavis is directly responsible for many people's decline
does that include you vodka
it's a JOKE dumbass

General chatters, mental zealots, and weirdly the real info is in the ogyrn chat from the get go
LMFAO
no actually
Ogryn for lyfe
Ogryn chat?
pyskers and general chat arent real people about it
yeah go get your info from ogryn chat buddy
''the real info is in the ogyrn''
they're equally as smart as you
But zealot second besteest
Ogryn chat told me thunder hammer is good and knife sucks
Don't ask ogryn chat on their opinion racism
wat
tf2 players are furries
going off chats the most degenerate one is zealots
i thought that was us
no we're just autistic
how about if you ask a question instead of complaining little bro
cmon wolf
this is just a reddit feed for gifs
zealot chat unironically is going to be the best place for advice on any class
cuz we dont care and will talk about anything
no
Oh fuck it's hittin
It's because I'm here
The goat
we literally only started doing that like 15 minutes ago cuz it was funny
I shouldn't have taken that
cole I think this guy is done for
hence the spam of wahtever tf we want
he said ogryn chat has good advice
do not compare this chat to fucking REDDIT OF ALL PLACES
ogryn chat is like reddit
No redditorz
same gif but discordians
if it was an actual problem a mod would have said something tbh
FUCK
i was looking for the video for this
and was gonna send it
same gif but insert any internet forum ever
What?
he talks about reddit, says ogryn chat is useful information, and is a general chatter
hes a lost cause cole
this is true i mean have you SEEN what i make from time to time and art post i do?

especially the pimp and charles i did
counterpoint this chat has cole and he doesnt shower
well I shower
true
so sucks to be cole
counterpoint boysmell
cole boysmell 
So called boysmell enjoyers when I send them to a smash tourney
explode
Ogryn chat is reddit, this is 4chan
post the video of me giving you a poxburster :3
eh
this is the gayest place on earth, we are not 4chan
i mean i'll take it as a compliment
reddit is notorious for having the worst darktide advice imaginable, thats an insult to ogryn chat
this is more accurate to the average R6S all chat
pretty sure 4chan is extremely gay
also og chat had its regs get culled for being racist
is it though?
No it's a bunch of straights pretending to be gay
Go tell reddit you're an invis knife zealot
you got some screenshot?
most trusted auric maelstrom teammate
there is some genuinely smart people in there like okri and hank
You guys said it was reddit, i was just saying if its reddit this 4chan
"hey cole can you help me get auric storm survivor, also here catch"
we need to stay silly cole
run reject
no titles >
best title
I mean Im not in here no lyfing but the data mining and things going on in ogryn chat was pretty awesome tbf, lots of smart people in there figuring out exactly what does what
so nerds
no we have data miners here as well wolf
every chat has its autists. this one just has significantly more
well yeah I wouldn't be surprised
Nerds who help you build better weapons and abuse current patch metas if you will
exhill appearing out of thin air to tell someone how something actually works with the source code to back him up
data doesnt occur naturally in mines wtf are you talking about
yeah thats me 
zealots just have the ultimate nerds like dorn and shit
proof
you arent looking hard enough stupid
But I just like to hit things with a crusher and on ogryn I use one of the knives, I play whats fun
like unepic said
cica try not to be late challenge
wtf is he doing
No I just cranked a joint and I INTEND to enjoy it
improbable
dorn dragged me into helping him find map exploits 💀
a J at 2 am
oh you're on femboy timezone
several times
darktide speed run world record stuff or wut
a fate worse than death
ive learned the art of consignment yard
now i can do 8ish minute auric maels on there
I wanna see the spot where you spin turn whack 3 times and pop to the end of the map
everything from door glitching to just leaving the map
this is zealot chat sir, we break the game here
n we do a little bit of trollin
been forced out of the map a bunch lol
my poor hobo will never forget the horrors of the spawn rooms
certain enemies will push you through walls and things but never really went looking for the spots yet
I ended up following the party on the roof one day till I quit the game, i was stuck above them watching and could follow along ontop of the physics box
dead
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para would know this one
very awesome moment
Zealots charge often gets me in a wall too stuck between places
(we lost after that)
skill issue
and theirs the late arriver
oh cica is back
i had to run
TO WHERE
i thought the run would be the longest
FUCKING MARS
a circle for an hour and 14 minutes
Took the words out of my mouth.
I've been beating peasants with a hammer since we got off fh.
midnight has arrived
LMAOOOO
"Average heart rate: nothing" mf is a goddamn vampire.
i've measured the distance
@pliant ice you know this one first hand lol
i dont have a gizmo to read my heart rate
i kinda wanna buy one
but it's also kinda useless
A fitbit is like 30 dollars.
500 noobs per minute heart rate
You fear technology or something???
two gizmos is enough
Mechanicus headass.
built like a gizmo
doesnt like eating doesnt like gizmos doesnt like stuff
Minimalist ass attitude...
Fr.
i grew up poor
i got the opposite of the need to hoard stuff
i just don't like stuff
So did I. I'm still poor, though.
the ascetic lifestyle is something that just kinda happened
it extends to other stuff too like i'm painfully cheap but i'm workin on that
cica be like
You don't even eat mf!
I DON'T LIKE STUFF
I DO GO OUTSIDE
shut up and eat something
You drink soy and energy drinks!
soylent
i had a lil to eat earlier
That's it!
You have like zero protein intake!
it's funny that the run and eating combined were like
still less than the time it took
but it felt like
Get this man a sandwich!
not that long cuz i was attentive..
he needs more than that
we gotta get cica a nicocado avocado size meal
mf never eats
I could give him a bowl of the ultimate bulkmaxxing food.
i don't get why there's so much queer shit in gifs for stuff like this
its discord
friend made mine lol
like every "hop on" gif is like
almost exclusively a femboy
even for honor
for honor does have a cool one
Yeah.
discord knows their audience
It's discord.
this one
They know their consumers.
bro looks greek
like they plucked his ass straight out of a hellenic vase circa 400 bc
FIIIINE
get on sm2..
Anyway, I've got about 150 more peasants to beat with a hammer.
I'll hop on after.
basil omor and suni omor would never
(they r children)
although it fits considering omocat is an unabashed shtacon loser
i love omori but i hate her
so much
and the omori community
shit is like
the worst community ever lmfao
Get on Eternal Crusade https://gyazo.com/916ef2deac6edd75c94cf11b9ce9045e
yea someone told me how cursed the creator was
made me gag
except for the art it's usually chill and kino
dont care still need to play omori
yeah
listen man
i wish people who made the games i like about this stuff weren't all just
pdf files
lmfao
heretic spotted. killing on sight
omori is fun
im glad i played it before it recieved the undertale treatment by its fanbase
god she just sucks
the grocery store is my battle of stalingrad
I just watched one of my knights try and kill a peasant woman and she fucking skewered him with a pitchfork.
pizza
i guess i do actually
LISA: The Painful is awesome
and Dingaling is a normal person
Of course i have never denied being a Traitor!
should have skipped undertale and went straight to playing deltarune like me

ive never played more than a little bit of lisa
LISA: The Joyful OST https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWc-GLtf0viZp_ZsrNYZfOw
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https://marinahova.bandcamp.com/album/lisa-the-joyful-soundtrack
FL ...
I mean not that im a traitor, we are simply trying to empower mankind to be able to better defend itself from the tyranids
a LISA: the Joyful song was used in a sprint ad
killchop deluxe
I need to play lisa so I can get depression
or existentialism
whichever one
maybe both
Listen to the music in the commercial
sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J0wkwgTbvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEAFHZixlME
yah
i saw that yt short too
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Plays in the fights against Gary The Hot Soup, Chester, Vega Van Dam, and Bullet Tom.
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#LisaThePainful #LisaTheJoyful #LisaRPG #LISA #OST #soundtrack
still my second fav song from Joyful
I got that shit from a twitter post
Joining server, loading resources sm feels like Im playing a playstation 1 game sometimes even tho the loading times arent to bad
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gog.com: https://www.gog.com/game/hellish_quart
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speaking of peak music
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Hellish Quart is a historical fighting game about sword dueling, in which the blades really clash using physics, and the characters use motion-captured fencing techniques. Play as one of many 17th century warriors and use sabers, rapie...
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gog.com: https://www.gog.com/game/hellish_quart
Hellish Quart is a historical fighting game about sword dueling, in which the blades really clash using physics, and the characters use motion-captured fencing techniques. Play as one of many 17th century warriors and use sabers, rapie...
these r all time stamped
looks like spam lol
it is
father zera's theme sounds like some shit from war hammer
shit makes me sad
I hope it's in S2 since it would be much more melancholic now
interesting
something a friend of mine had said at one point while i was going through a rough patch that strangely helped was
"you are not struggling with depression, depression is struggling with you, and you being here in front of me means it's losing"
god damn
yall have a 4th slot or already have plans on that being filled up? might come harrass yall for a bit
The power of friendship, and leitmotifs.
I do not own the music. Pizza tower composers are Mr. Sauceman, ClascyJitto(Frostix) and POST ELVIS.
Pizza tower belongs to Tour De Pizza.
Come on, just buy the soundtrack!! You know you want it!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2250640/Pizza_Tower_Soundtrack/ https://ronandecastel.bandcamp.com/album/...
pizza tower went harder than diamonds
never played
it's so good
have you ever played a Wario land game?
nope
unlucky
lmfao
wario land's soul resides in that game
god
deeply
i hate seeing this shit in the wild
im friends w the dude who composed the music in this game
most of it, anyways
been for for years
MrSauceman
his shit is kino
weird flex but ok
im fucking with you
after the discord went public and then was swamped
we made like a legacy channel for all the people who'd been there forever
mr sauce man has some crazy tunes
and then we mass exodus'd to a server that mcpig made (guy who made the game) just for us
and we NEVER talk about pizza tower lmfao
so it's always trippy seeing it in the wild
what's a guy gotta do to get in there /s
be a lil zesty
already done
🍕
i can understand somewhat
like how my friend matt was just the crackhead of my friend group
then his crackhead antics became well known overnight
understandable tbh
it's amazing how easy it is to not talk about some people's work and just kind of know them as a normal dude
yes
insane
Small world
that's actually funny asf
i am like
2 miles away from where that was recorded right now
did you do the recording
nice
no
i wasnt there for this
i think the only even remotely famous person i can say i know, however little, is The Grouse. one of therussianbadger's buddies
im not tiding rn sibling
debating on sleeping rn actually
did that crusher build work out for ya
word
ah yes
the impact staff
it went okay, crusher was struggling to actually murder things
ill just say its probably your unfamiliarity with the weapon
if you want to murder annoying stuff fast
abuse PA
the traitors struggled just as hard with me lol
(thats why I have desperation in the build)
PA and H1 are super good for killing the annoying ones
bulwarks/maulers/crushers
goofy asf quell lol
im over here quelling my staff i got peril on my staff rn brother im just quelling my staff im peril as fuck man im a psyker man like
Hm, I'm thinking about trying out the Karsolas pickaxe on my Ogryn some... seems decent enough, and I can get some strikedown attacks after the special
Seems decent enough, from what I can tell from the feel of it in the meat grinder at least :/
i think im just him now
Makes the heavy hitter keystone seem much more tempting, due to how many ogryn weapons you can heavy spam on
its nothing inconcievable or anything
Is it just me or does Crunch! look like some sort of off-brand version of Thrust? :/
takes longer too
Yeah you have to hold it until the attack auto releases, right?
crunch requires the full duration of your heavy to be charged
dont take it
ogryn heavies take a stupid long time to fully charge
I don't ever take it, I always take Batter instead :/
So... with the 5% melee damage node, 5% heavy melee damage node, 10% heavy melee damage node, and 10% heavy melee damage aura... is that +30% heavy attack damage?
Before even adding the +25% I can get from heavy hitter...
crunch on shovel to oneshot crushers....them was the days
Can't you use almost 2 heavies in the time it takes to fully charge crunch? lol
ye thats why people don't like it
I've never even tried it... comparing that to batter? I'd rather have batter... :/
and not because I like bleed
It just seems like it is more useful overall when going the heavy attack aura route...
the comedic timing lmfao
at least my sibling is finally free
LMFAO
I was crazy once
this is @vernal terrace pov from the his side of our room
is that your roomie
yes
we share a rubber room

give me my things back
THEY WERE NEVER YOUR THINGS
guys react to this message if i should claw coles eyes out
freaky
dame da good night
I really need to just stop queuing for maelstrom entirely
I'm genetically too shit at the game to play them
We (Cica, Psycho, and I) posted up a Ravener.
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Huh I got a bit of flak for putting can opener on my mk6 ripper a while back from the ogryn channel, and yet the guide thing pinned for them has that as the 1st for the better blessings >.>
Not 100% sure how to feel on it, since they are saying thunderous is one of the blessings you want for the brunts basher <.<
@grizzled aspen @median steeple goo bai lil freaks
It does say wounds are a trap at least lol
🧱
CARNIFEX MOVE THE FUCK OUTTA THE WAY!!!
Bigass taking up the caption
Thats a swarmlord 
carnifex defo needs some buffs
poor guy is sm2's equivalent of a plague ogryn
fate worse than death
me when i fucking GET you
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As you're returning to the main factory, placing transport belt to connect this new resource to your base, you feel a trembling from the ground. Big mining drills make a lot of vibrations, but this is on a whole othe...
You only take can opener if you don't have a melee good against armor, like a knife. So...
Gotta say: It feels weird having so much hp, after all of the zealot I have played, when I'm on my Ogryn...
Even with 1 hp curio I have 375 hp :/
I should start spreading misinformation that there is mmr in this game so when people complain about bad teammates I can just say that it's indicative of their own skill
Better be careful with this though, cause when the bus station fulls of players come back after the update... it might get believed by 1 or 2 people lol
sigh until I can get a pickaxe with a better base stat layout this is what I'm working with rn on my Ogryn... it would be so nice to get that extra dodge from 51% defences x.x
At least the blessings are okay on it
** + + I T E M I Z A T I O N O N T H U R S D A Y + + **
More like
If you die a lot, you're gonna be placed with the same people, who also die a lot

so you can suffer together
like DOTA 2 low priority
i wish i still had weapons to build
probably gonna play the new map a bunch and then hop off
What about your new heavy sword collection for your Vet/Psyker? :3
Or your collection of duelling sword mk 2's for the lulz? >.>
i need to forget they're giving ds to zealot
yep
or psyker
especially psyker
melee psyker once again becoming busted as fuck
very cool fatshark
good thing rending purgatus doesn't require the user to have an iq above average
duelling sword somehow feels out of place on the melee class that likes to use melee a lot, maybe it's because i think of zealot as being a fanatical brute more interested in hammering a square peg into a round hole
yeah it doesn't even fit the vibe
on vet sure you can argue it does
but not on zealot
it can fit zealot vibes
you can select schola progenum or whatever during zealot char creation. that suggests atleast a somewhat learned/well trained individual.
saltzpyre is clearly fanatical and yet refined enough to use his rapier
HUH
saltzpyre
you're not the same vibes
OMG HAPPY FALL TIME FOR PIMPKIN SPICE
this
pimpkin
PIMPLKIN
PUMPKIN
tidings
yes i still play
Don’t engage he will fish you
im taking a small break until the update drops
fish stan
very reasonable
Watch
same thing here
Dawn why don’t you welcome me WTF
same, haven't touched dt since the last map tbh
im probably not gonna play very long since its rending for everyone
my bad
purgatus staff is already borked with executor + uncanny strike forcesword/dueling sword. having the new rending blessing will just be absolutely nuts
rending my nuts rn
they saw people mentioning how powerful the players are and went "yeah they're kinda weak tbh. lets buff them again"
"powercreep, never heard of it"
the sixth difficulty addition option is still there wide open fatshark
just fucking make one already
god damn
What’s this? Are people complaining before the update even drops?
people have been complaining about the game since it came out
grutting
you need to get a bigger phone
huge hands hans
I have a friend named Hans but his hands are average
average hands hans
Are you calling me deformed

i'm 6.5 i know what it is to be deformed
What the fuck
First off, proud of you for using real measurements
Secondly, you’re huge
😔 the struggles are real
do people under 5'6 go flying when you stomp the ground
i'm using the SpEd measurements so all the amerifriends can understand
Server rules make you use feet and inches?
you're the feet user you freak
Now you have to say 2 nice things about me
you like tacos and you're present
What’s wrong? You haven’t touched your feetsa
@vocal pulsar STOP FISHING ME
ok there's nothing good to say about you you win
Oh my God
says lambda did it
I TOOK A PICTURE GET REKT
this guy is sad
can't believed he edited that in
there are mental health services available, stan
I’m quite happy
please check yourself in
You give me too much credit
he's been unraveling hard these past few days
Why don’t you check yourself before you wreck yourself
it seems you are already a wreck
Did you just call me yarn???
like the edmund fitzgerald
That’s racist
WHOAAAA
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Darkpill
Why is his foot light
do u think asmongold would be part of the death guard
i feel like he'd just be a poxwalker
with what he lives with daily, at least a burster
@lean lark hey dawn
how do u like
build ur uhm
sniper
on pve
and is tehre a way 2 like
make the stalker bolter good
you mean in sm2?

check the other server
kk
Gotta say... it feels having both 400hp and 200 toughness on my ogryn
I also still have all but 1 10% toughness damage reduction node as well >.>
you ever just
5 fucking axes
all bromentum 3 instead of 4
in other news im down 6k plasteel
and 200k dockets
Oof
I've been getting screwed over for what I get on the karsolas pickaxes, all night. This is probably the best one I've gotten...
So: I feel u
I had one before that only had like 24% defences... so I lost a dodge
that sucks
Yep, I've also been bound and determined to use the pickaxe anyway lol
Sadly, while this one did gain 1 dodge... it lost the 20% carapace damage(at least got 10% elites, tho), and t3 slaughterer...
sounds about right
I'm okay with those loses, considering I want that fucking extra dodge and dodge distance more than I need the extra power rn :/
i think the only weapon i have a "perfect roll" on is my atrox mk2 that i managed to even mog dorn on stat-wise
Oh man can I feel the difference in the dodge distance now lol
fair
ogryn having a shit dodge to begin with losing that dodge is NOT good
Feels like it goes an extra 10% further lol
Then again I did go from like... -12.6% dodge distance to -7.6%

Not to mention I only had freaking 3 effective dodges...
Now I at least have 4
I've been going back and forth all night between feel no pain and heavy hitter for my keystones lol
Then again I've mostly been just doing heresy, since I don't have a pickaxe I am thinking is damnation ready
honestly just run damnation, better at judging weapons worth than heresy. plus heresy you get those certified creatures
Well... aside from this one. I've been wanting to use the karsolas, tho, instead of the brax for better horde clear
I... I've not been downed once all night lol
Which means I've won every run as well

nice
Having the rock really helps for muties lol
question is though how many actual degens have you seen so far though
Eh... maybe 1 of the worse bad players... which is strange. I've gotten mostly decent players, with a few bad players.
Being as tanky as I am for heresy, tho, it makes it easy to not have any real issues
fair enough
I mean... I have 206 toughness and 406hp on my feel no pain build
otherwise 206 toughness and 375hp on my heavy hitter one
I'm like my full toughness curio zealot, but, with martyrdom toughness dr levels

I mean... I also have this covering me for snipers <.<
based and martyr pilled
moar dakka
I mean this is what my feel no pain build is lol
full 3 +30% toughness regen speed curio perks lol
This pickaxe has actually been very user friendly for how it feels
And... damnation has had things like this... and I don't want to do this map with randos on damnation with a pickaxe I don't feel is ready for damnation lol
Woo, got my Ogryn's contracts done as well
That's 2 of my zealot's, my vet's, and my ogryn's all done now.
are any the dlcs out for trader yet
i think soon
cant look up in game
You're so tanky with feel no pain on the Ogryn... especially with 200 toughness and 400 health lol
If I have a 5% health perk instead of a 20% gunner resist, this is what I got for my toughness n hp on this build lol
dame da good morning
branx doesnt need flak tbh
i have carapace unyielding thrust headtaker its pretty comfy
from what I can gather branx and kar sales just shit on everything
barring a monstrosity
iirc I put that on the pickaxe for until I got Thrust on it
was it from melk
the blessings? yeah 
Nothing says DT more than a clueless ogryn causing a Trapper to snipe me from half way across the catwalk on Clandestine
dodge better 😭
also
trappers cant shoot unless they have line of sight if you hide around a corner and shove/attack them before they can see you they cant do shit

