zealot-class

[south grove]

what does your brother need to install anyways 😭

[grizzled aspen]

"There's a virus floating around, you have it, heres a prescription for antibiotics you already have in your cupboard."

[stone fern]

arma with 9374 mods

[grizzled aspen]

Unironically yes.

[lusty oar]

[stone fern]

[grizzled aspen]

That, war thunder, and league.

[south grove]

NOT ARMA

[lusty oar]

kill him

[drifting wolf]

my condolences

[stone fern]

jesus christ

[grizzled aspen]

Because he's a fucking creature.

[lusty oar]

just put him down

[stone fern]

KILL YOUR BROTHER

[drifting wolf]

i'm sorry you have a nurgling for a brother

[south grove]

I'm sorry your brother plays league

[grizzled aspen]

It would be a mercy to kill him I know.

[stone fern]

YOU NEED TO KILL YOUR BROTHER

[lusty oar]

turn him into stew and sell it

[drifting wolf]

dont do that

[south grove]

pull the plug at this point

[drifting wolf]

you will spread his blight

[rocky nacelle]

forbidden stew

[south grove]

turn the internet off

force him to go outside

[stone fern]

force him to play darktide

wait nvm thats also 90 gb

[south grove]

there is literally only one way this could get worse tbh

[frosty herald]

Set up a date between him and some unlucky individual

[south grove]

that's the good news

the only way it'd ever get worse is if he sweats tarkov

[grizzled aspen]

...

..........

[lusty oar]

fuck

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah.

Stalker, too.

[south grove]

I think he might be finished

[lusty oar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeyquote-gif-17287897282409113653

[rocky nacelle]

ishowspeed

[cerulean moth]

mf saw a monkey gif and called it ishowspeed?????

[drifting wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-hak-jabb-gif-16377067107010538347

[ornate bone]

I haven't played since the twins secret mission - Did they add anything new worth of note to weapons or such?

[hard nexus]

ogryn got pick axes

[stone fern]

YALL NEED THIS?

[ornate bone]

Is.. Is that it?

Any rework to upgrading weapons?

[hard nexus]

double barrel shotguns

[ornate bone]

Or is it still the grind forever and never get the perfect thing

[stone fern]

humans bot bolt pistol shockmauls and double barrel

[hard nexus]

oh yeah those too

[rotund shoal]

26th sept

[stone fern]

on the 26th

[hard nexus]

massive rework coming out 26th

[stone fern]

we might alo get new marks of existing weapons

[ornate bone]

Okay thank god

[grizzled aspen]

I am hyped for a potential over-under slug shotgun.

[rotund shoal]

headhunter vraks VII now fires 7 round burst

[ornate bone]

I got 100 hours out of space marines 2 and I think that's it for me

Great game, don't regret buying it, but no longevity.

[hard nexus]

real

[grizzled aspen]

They need to do something about melee being very hard to pull off to make it more fun to play.

[stone fern]

tldr of the update you keep all your gear as it is. blessings are converted into xp which is gonna be used to reunlock blessings which you can freely change along side perks

[grizzled aspen]

As it currently stands you're forced to do execution after execution just to survive.

[ornate bone]

okay I like that

[rotund shoal]

thats me with helldivers 2

[grizzled aspen]

You can also change the model of your weapon.

[ornate bone]

we have vastly differently experiences. I just found it way too easy

[grizzled aspen]

Like, an ilas can go from mk4 to mk1 to mk12.

[drifting wolf]

that i did not know

[stone fern]

if you wanna minmax your gear for the update. claim all t3s/t4s on gear you dont want. you need all t4s and t3s to max out a weapon family but you may not need everything if you just want to use 2 t4s

if you only have the good blessings in a weapon family like me on ogryn picks

put them on existing bricks since itll be easier to change perks

[rotund shoal]

wait if u have non earned blessings on weapons do those count for nothing?

[ornate bone]

Honestly I'm just looking for a game to play but everything just doesn't feel worth playing unless I have the boys on but we have different work schedules so it doesn't happen often anymore

[stone fern]

nope

[ornate bone]

It's weird I might just.. Be done with games soon?

[rotund shoal]

ff thanks for telling me

my blessing library is so small compared to the t4s i have in reserve

[ornate bone]

That's what I left off with

[stone fern]

hoe well off are you on plasteel?

[ornate bone]

Fucking plasteel..

[cerulean moth]

REEEEEEEEEE MAKE IT HAPPEN SOONER REEEEE

[rotund shoal]

used up a bunch i only have like 15k left

[stone fern]

sheesh

[rotund shoal]

might have to learn auric mael speedrunning

[cerulean moth]

https://tenor.com/Di0E.gif

only 15k...

[stone fern]

yeah i was gonna say

[cerulean moth]

https://tenor.com/bWIw5.gif

[stone fern]

if you dont wanna grind blessings for a family

and you have some existing blue/purple/gold weapons

rebless them t4s you have

so you can surrender them after the update drops for xp

i am assuming that theyll be worth more if they have t4s

but thats just me speculation maxxing

[ornate bone]

Is the psykers void orb staff absolutely cracked?

still*

[stone fern]

kinda yeah

[rotund shoal]

its still good no longer op

[stone fern]

Disrupt destiny got buffed a while back

now you lose stacks one by one instead of all at once

[rotund shoal]

they literally made that mistake initially with the bb stacks

b4 skill trees

and then they changed it

dunno how they made it again

[ornate bone]

Wasn't there a bug where it insta-cooled down the ability anyways?

Alright auric maelstrom to get warmed up

lets see how it goes

[hard nexus]

it is still overpowered lol

[hard nexus]

yes

[rotund shoal]

i thought they remove infinicleave

[hard nexus]

it still has a very high cleave

[ornate bone]

It was mostly the infini stagger that was the problem

[hard nexus]

enough to go through an entire horde

that too

[rotund shoal]

that said i havent seen any psykers dominate a game with it in a while

[ornate bone]

probably cause thats boring

[rotund shoal]

explain smite

[stone fern]

you press F sometimes

[frozen kernel]

This is not the evi I remember leaving the game with

However...

https://tenor.com/view/chainsword-warhammer40k-gif-27208887

[rotund shoal]

i just wish there was more penetration

[stone fern]

dont we all 😭

[rotund shoal]

as in, the penetration

[ornate bone]

god damn it this games too easy too

what the hell

[grizzled aspen]

AAAAAHHHHH CAN PEOPLE PLEASE TURN THE FUCK AROUND IN AURICS AND SHOOT SPECIALISTS

I am literally running my gun dry because these idiots won't turn around.

YOU HAVE EARS

YOU HEAR THEM SPAWN

TURN AROUND

[frozen kernel]

Unfortunately I dont play enough/have not sold my soul to the devil for a godroll

But for how it performs it's fuckin shweet

[rotund shoal]

Nah i just wanted to talk about penetration

[lusty oar]

actually all i hear is the plap plap plap from my second monitor

[tidal berry]

nah I'll eat a net and die

and then blame it on you ofc

[rotund shoal]

mb they have muscular distrophy

[hard nexus]

low pen, no savage sweep

u hate to see it

[drifting wolf]

it will be perfect soon

[hard nexus]

i love savage sweep on my mk2

i know the lights have a damage cap

[lusty oar]

REV IT UUUUUP

[hard nexus]

but having the cleave of the mk15 with the speed and damage of the mk2 lights

[lusty oar]

https://tenor.com/view/rev-up-those-fryers-gif-20383865

[hard nexus]

it’s very nice

[hard nexus]

who up revving they shit

[grizzled aspen]

AND WHAT THE HELL IS THIS

[hard nexus]

what

oh

LMAO

[rotund shoal]

u fat in game lmao

[grizzled aspen]

This is how my aurics are.

[hard nexus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1040430876263186572/1097590111593582652/togif.gif

[grizzled aspen]

I went down shortly after this because I picked up a teammate and they ditched me in a horde with ragers mixed in.

The whole team just left me behind.

Altf4'd that mission.

[frosty herald]

Schizotide

[frosty herald]

His name is big boobs search him up on google

[lusty oar]

holy hell

[grizzled aspen]

OH MEIN GOTT

[hard nexus]

actual zombie

[hard nexus]

sry i wasn’t there to carry

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-crisp-chip-microwave-cute-gif-4725698502227239613

[lusty oar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cross-exorcism-unholy-gif-4343873475129619787

[grizzled aspen]

Get darktiding to carry, then.

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-big_boobs-boobs-big-cat-gif-27196493

[hard nexus]

i might

i can’t sleep

[lusty oar]

steal the ethernet cable

[frozen kernel]

I think the only time I've gotten Rampage IV Sweep IV on an evi was an XV

[paper harness]

@slate haven leave again, gay tanner baby

[hard nexus]

context ?

[hard nexus]

heart breaking

[drowsy steppe]

he had encountered an annoyance in vc

at least thats what I assume

[paper harness]

He left yesterday

[hard nexus]

yah i know that

why r you hating on him

have we finally realized the person with goth chick enthusiast in the nickname is a little cringe

[grizzled aspen]

I hate this game.

[hard nexus]

what happened

[grizzled aspen]

I alt f4 because I was left in a trapper net, when I load back in, I INSTANTLY get pounced by a dog and die to corruption damage.

Was 6/10 for untouchable operative.

[hard nexus]

lmfao

me personally

i could’ve done it

[hard nexus]

LMAO

bro is so desperate

[grizzled aspen]

Bro could've just posted that here.

OH WAIT

NO IMAGE PERMS

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

[hard nexus]

big dog

lmao

[drowsy steppe]

L rashad

[stone fern]

just do it on heresy

its a lot faster

[grizzled aspen]

I just keep queueing into dogshit matches where there's always a vet or soyker that can't fucking keep up.

[stone fern]

games are like 24 minutes max

[grizzled aspen]

Zealouts can keep up, but typically they're preoccupied cleaning up vet or soyker messes.

Ogryns are fine as long as they're not greedy gluggers.

At this point, if I alt f4 out of a match, I'm just not reconnecting to it.

[hard nexus]

erm

cheesing it

[grizzled aspen]

Too unsafe to do that.

[hard nexus]

woooowowowwwww

[grizzled aspen]

I don't care.

[hard nexus]

wooooowwwwwwwwww

[stone fern]

you can just leave missions

you dont have to alt f4

or at least i think

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-piano-gif-23635598

[hard nexus]

quicker to alt f4

[grizzled aspen]

You can, its just that sometimes I don't have time to open my menu.

If theres 6 dreg ragers blendering me and I'm on my last wound, I'm not opening my menu.

[stone fern]

dont get into bad situations then

[hard nexus]

dodge stinky

[hard nexus]

that one guy from a while ago

[grizzled aspen]

I am literally playing power sword vet.

[hard nexus]

who was saying he doesn’t take until death

because he just doesn’t get into bad situations

[stone fern]

tanner moment

[grizzled aspen]

And you expect me to dodge?

[hard nexus]

yeah that’s right

he was a tanner acolyte

[stone fern]

bruh

[grizzled aspen]

Disgusting creature.

[stone fern]

i dont fucking get it

[hard nexus]

tanner is such a fucking crybaby loser

his mere existence angers me

[stone fern]

how can you say holy rev is bad AND marty is bad

no NO

the rail of logic isnt there

[hard nexus]

brain rot

[stone fern]

holy rev is bad because you shouldnt get into bad situations
marty is bad because wounds make you heal less

[stone fern]

SO MAYBE YOU SHOULDNT NEED STIMS EITHER

???????????????????

[hard nexus]

lmfao

yeah !

however

people are stinky

[frosty herald]

Using stims on martyr is the worst thing you can do

Since it only heals a single wound

[hard nexus]

it heals 25%

unless

ur mocking the guy from before

[stone fern]

I ate 2 while trying to clutch once

my team didnt need them

[frosty herald]

Oh

I do have an idea for psyker

[stone fern]

it also takes off more space aids

[frosty herald]

Since you can build into kamikaze psyker

What if corruption increased warp damage on psyker

[ornate bone]

EVERY NOW AND THEN I GET A LITTLE BIT LONELY AND YOU'RE NEVER COMING ROUND

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o-heam-giga-chad-gigachad-sigma-male-gif-14252379233135682789

[hard nexus]

are you

being sarcastic

or not

[frosty herald]

Im being serious

[stone fern]

no sarcasm

[hard nexus]

ok cuz that idea sounds interesting but weird

however

you are wrong about the martyrdom stim heal

[stone fern]

fall height increases damage on zealot
corruption increases damage on psyker

[hard nexus]

stims are nice on martyrdom as you can clear corruption without full healing and losing stacks of marty

[stone fern]

amount of times leaving a game increases damage on a vet

[hard nexus]

no

[drifting wolf]

do true and honest martyrdom zealots sit in a fire made by a barrel to proc martyrdom or do they take advantage of martyrdom when put in a situation where they will inevitably lose a lot of health

[stone fern]

yes

[hard nexus]

the longer you leave a teammate in a net the more your damage

[hard nexus]

both

[stone fern]

ye both

[hard nexus]

if you want to play the most optimally, you can lose a bunch of health from a fire barrel and run at low health

but i just usually will play pretty recklessly

and lose health that way

[stone fern]

i take martys purpose sometimes so i let my health fall organically

[hard nexus]

then i lock in

[hard nexus]

why would you take MP

it’s so bad

[stone fern]

eh i know

but it gives me a bit of cdr when i need it most

[hard nexus]

eating a crusher overhead is the only thing that would refill your whole bar

[stone fern]

i shouldnt be taking health damage but if i do i can shave off a few seconds off chastise

[elfin steppe]

Just eat the crusher overhead

[stone fern]

most ill get is like 5-3 seconds but its better than nothing

[stone fern]

works in heresy

[fleet zealot]

Only in low difficulty

There is no reason to do that in auric damns imo unless you’ve been involuntarily healed by teammate shenigans

[hard nexus]

poisoning the local zealot with a healing stim

[elfin steppe]

Marty's damage boost is not very significant, the attack speed is more important, but due to lack of damage reduction, the game does not promote low health play style.

[grizzled aspen]

Martyr's damage boost is significant.

What are you on about?

That's like saying warp charges damage boost isn't significant.

You literally allow yourself to fudge bp's by having the damage boost.

[hard nexus]

40% at 5 wounds

[grizzled aspen]

And hit some that otherwise aren't obtainable with your current weapon.

Like a reaper 2 shot.

[elfin steppe]

It's additive to your base damage, not multiplicative.

[grizzled aspen]

Or even a reaper 1 shot.

[frosty herald]

Martyr damage is getting a 1.5% buff per stack

[elfin steppe]

A damage booster is much better.

[frosty herald]

Or was it damage resistance

[hard nexus]

lack of damage reduction? good balance, second wind, both nodes on martyrdom

[grizzled aspen]

Yay, even more damage!

[hard nexus]

you’ll be tanky enough

[grizzled aspen]

1.5% more TDR on top of the existing 5% for "I Shall Not Fall."

Just went and looked at the notes.

Anyway, martyr damage boost is still a significant difference.

If you don't agree with that, you're just plain wrong.

[hard nexus]

true !

[elfin steppe]

Noted.

[hushed knoll]

Hello furog-kasuto

[hushed knoll]

Are you comfywomfy rn

[grizzled aspen]

I'm enraged.

[hushed knoll]

Why

[grizzled aspen]

Auric goblins I keep getting queued with are terrible.

And you are talking to me in uwuspeak.

[stone fern]

NONONONONONO

[hushed knoll]

You and I should play

[stone fern]

STOPSTOPSTOPSTOP

[grizzled aspen]

You will be mercilessly mogged.

[hushed knoll]

Left shack are you ok

Shark

[grizzled aspen]

Also I'm playing tarkov now.

So...

Maybe later?

[hushed knoll]

Mogged?

[stone fern]

had flashbacks to this #zealot-class message

[grizzled aspen]

I'm going to go dropkick tagilla in the chest with a saiga and ap-20 slugs.

[hushed knoll]

I’m confused

[hushed knoll]

I have no idea what this means

[grizzled aspen]

Healing stim on a martyr.

Bad.

[hushed knoll]

But it’s a pic of cats

Oh wait

[ember yew]

and attack speed

[hushed knoll]

It went back to the wrong thing

[stone fern]

also psyker needed it more

[hushed knoll]

Wtf

[grizzled aspen]

Big scary russian man doped up on meth with a sledgehammer is going to get absolutely floored by my 20r armor piercing shotgun.

[ember yew]

can never have enough attack speed

[grizzled aspen]

True, but you can't disregard the damage, which is what they were doing.

[hushed knoll]

[grizzled aspen]

Get trolled idiot.

[stone fern]

i was heal raped

[hushed knoll]

LMAO GET REKT

[grizzled aspen]

The way he looked at you when he pulled out the stim got me cackling like an idiot.

[stone fern]

do you have ANY IDEA how hard it is to get damage in sedition

[quaint verge]

[fleet zealot]

I partially agree, martyrdom only gives tdr. Only shield of contempt and good balance gives hp DR (and restoring faith indirectly/bleed for the emperor)

[fleet zealot]

Apparently not hard enough watching a teammate go down after i cross a point of no return

They should add ladders to sedition

[stone fern]

someplaces you can unjump

vigil station for example

[fleet zealot]

It was hab dreyko

[stone fern]

but yeah in those places my go to is always jump

[fleet zealot]

The one where you drop off the road

[stone fern]

since you cant unjump the shark

[elfin steppe]

That tdr is not very useful either. If you really want tdr, take the right talent tree.

[fleet zealot]

Well yea hence the partially agree

You already take benediction usually

[elfin steppe]

Damage is much more consistent with Fury build. Martyrdom is more about tanky.

[stone fern]

benediction doesnt do as much as people would think

[fleet zealot]

It does fair amount tbh

[stone fern]

its different something about multiplicative or additive values or some shit

but its not as good as you'd think

[fleet zealot]

Well yes

It is still one of the best auras

I know how it works

[stone fern]

its the only zealot aura i ever take

but i dunno

[fleet zealot]

It still is easily in the top 3 after survivalist

And it has good pathing

[stone fern]

ogryn psyker and vet auras feel more impactful

[stone fern]

yeah that too

[elfin steppe]

TDR has a prominent effect only when you have high toughness, like at least 150+.

[hard nexus]

taking less damage to toughness is not something only useful with high toughness

[elfin steppe]

If you're going for martyrdom you simply can't get toughness to work very well.

[elfin steppe]

What I meant is that it is not very effective.

[hard nexus]

it is effective

you can take more shooters, more gunners, less damage to your toughness from melee so you can regen back to 100% faster

[fleet zealot]

You always take 15% toughness from minor curios

[elfin steppe]

NVM, believe whatever you like.

[stone fern]

ye

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[fleet zealot]

With martyrdom

[hard nexus]

he gave up

i’m always right what can i say

[stone fern]

my curio perks are 3x toughness 3x xp and 3x gunner

[fleet zealot]

Why tf do you have xp

[hard nexus]

xp

[stone fern]

maybe 2x gunner 1x bomber actually

[hard nexus]

?!?!?

[fleet zealot]

Why are you 3x gunner

[stone fern]

errrrrrrrr

hp

my bad

[hard nexus]

oh

[fleet zealot]

You know there is DR

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[fleet zealot]

Oh hp

[stone fern]

i dont remember

[hard nexus]

taking 3 gunner resist isn’t really that bad, you’re still taking incrementally 20% less damage from gunners

[stone fern]

either 3x gunner or 2x gunner 1 bomber

[hard nexus]

do not take bomber resist

[stone fern]

no its fixed

[hard nexus]

even with it fixed

there isn’t really a reason to

[stone fern]

i enjoy walking over fire

[hard nexus]

any time you’d need it, the bomber is going to kill you anyway

[fleet zealot]

Take take a sniper or general corruption or stam regen

[stone fern]

no

maybe corruption tho

[hard nexus]

this is why ur hardstuck heresy

ur peak is my smurf…

ur washed…

[stone fern]

this is a rumor!!!

its false!!!!!!

unironically tho i do take bomber on psyker

[sinful widget]

Real rejects run 2 stam and 1 hp curio

[elfin steppe]

You should take buster curio.

[stone fern]

bruh i wish

[hard nexus]

no

[elfin steppe]

Even that would be more useful than bombers.

[stone fern]

i wish we had burster perks

[hard nexus]

wdym

bursters are infested

i’m pretty sure

yeah they are

[stone fern]

bomber is useful on psyker because most of their movement speed comes from buffs

a bomber slow is pretty much death

[hard nexus]

not really

[stone fern]

yes

[hard nexus]

at full toughness, even in the middle of the grenade when it detonates

you’ll have time to run out of it

realistically when you see the grenade land you should move out of its radius anyway

[elfin steppe]

Psyker's toughness regen makes me jealous as hell.

[fleet zealot]

I have never felt the need to run more than one stam curio

[stone fern]

#darktide-pics-vids message

it really hurts

[elfin steppe]

For Zealot, if you don't take Second Wind, you have no toughness regen.

The one and only.

[hard nexus]

that was not bomber stagger

[fleet zealot]

That was not bomber slow/stagger

[stone fern]

what was it then?

[fleet zealot]

It was explained to you

[hard nexus]

bomber stagger only applies if you are right next to the grenade when it detonates

[stone fern]

yeah

i meant slow in general

[fleet zealot]

You walked through the fire while being pelted with gunfire and kept canceling your sprint acceleration

[stone fern]

i kept crouching because i wasnt moving

side effect was crouching the dog tho

[acoustic dune]

Speaking of dogs

I love when they slide of My oily body

[hard nexus]

this clip, you would’ve died with or without bomber resistance

bomber fire is exponential damage

[stone fern]

maybe

[hard nexus]

if you’re in fire long enough to need the resistance to bombers

you’re dead anyway

[stone fern]

but its still more useful than most other things for me on zealot at least

maybe not corruption tho

[hard nexus]

stamina regen, sniper resist, hp, toughness,

are all better options

[acoustic dune]

Why hp?

[stone fern]

i run a stamina curio

[hard nexus]

hp as perk

[hard nexus]

on zealot?

[stone fern]

yes

[acoustic dune]

Yeah I get that but why hp

[hard nexus]

you don’t need stamina on zealot

[stone fern]

helpes me revive in bad situations

[hard nexus]

because more hp is a very uncomplicated way of making a build better

i don’t really bother with curio perks tbh

[acoustic dune]

Just run more toughtness

[hard nexus]

they’re all toughness with +hp and +toughness

[stone fern]

toughness works on everything

[hard nexus]

and that’s it

[stone fern]

and idk if one stamina regen perk is gonna matter

[hard nexus]

i’m talking about perks

[acoustic dune]

I do not agree with this I need to be able to push buster anytime everytime

[hard nexus]

not tje curio itself

[stone fern]

ill try changing one gunner perk to corruption tho see if it feels right

[hard nexus]

your stamina regen delay is fast enough on zealot that this shouldn’t be an issue

i rarely don’t have stamina when i need it

[stone fern]

depends on the weapon and how you play tbh

[acoustic dune]

Different experience I guess

[stone fern]

some weapons have too little stamina

[acoustic dune]

I find myself low on stam

[hard nexus]

i’m almost always at 0 stam

because i like desperation

[stone fern]

i dont always use a stamina curio it depends on how much stamina i get from the melee weapon

[hard nexus]

basic stamina management and spatial awareness means i know when i need to let my stamina regen

[elfin steppe]

Stamina regen is more useful on slow weapons, you can push more and block more often.

[gleaming hawk]

I have a full stam knife build

It's unhinged

[acoustic dune]

Naw lemme go full hog

I don't wanna manage stam

[hard nexus]

you barely even have to

[elfin steppe]

If you don't take it, you can also use the 20% damage talent.

[hard nexus]

it’s just thinking “oh there’s a burster, dodge back and let it come to me”

[acoustic dune]

Again tell that to thyself I need it because I run around the place like a maniac

[gleaming hawk]

Idk about you but I definitely have to manage stamina with a lot of builds

[hard nexus]

bursters and dogs are the only times you need stamina

[elfin steppe]

Sprint cost is probably better than stamina regen.

[hard nexus]

no

it’s not

[gleaming hawk]

blocking exists

[stone fern]

sprint is a tanner perk unironically

[acoustic dune]

I use both

[hard nexus]

idk what to tell you, on every zealot build i am consistently low on stamina and it’s fine, you shouldn’t be blocking attacks anyway

[acoustic dune]

2 sprint efficiency and 2 stam regen

[elfin steppe]

Block for what

You are using a knife

[acoustic dune]

You don't push with a knife?

Cringe

[gleaming hawk]

I mean you either block or push sometimes, you don't always have the room to dodge

[hard nexus]

iframes

[still quartz]

Damn that's a horrible tip for casual newbies that don't play Auric Maelstrom every 5 minutes

[elfin steppe]

It's not like you can't push without it

[acoustic dune]

I find myself in a mess very easily

I need that stam

[hard nexus]

because i’m a good player i can’t give advice?

[gleaming hawk]

That would require I be good at dodging

[hard nexus]

iframes are very generous

[still quartz]

That's entirely not what I insinuated

[gleaming hawk]

Sure, but blocking is more generous

[still quartz]

What I insinuated was "it's a horrible tip to tell people to not block"

Big difference

[acoustic dune]

I find having more then 2 stam bar when reviving teamate

Very useful

[stone fern]

you're not a psyker

[hard nexus]

i’m saying that you do not need stamina on zealot, yes i play a purposefully more aggressive play style because i am comfortable with it, but blocking is entirely inferior to dodging in every way, and players should not get comfortable with blocking as a method of preventing damage

[acoustic dune]

No need I am better then a psycher

[gleaming hawk]

Also I have a harder time reacting to the backstab sound with a dodge than a block

[acoustic dune]

I am a zealot

[stone fern]

i do use stamina for revives but it depends on the weapon 90% of the time

[hard nexus]

backstabs are the main time i block attacks

[acoustic dune]

[stone fern]

i think for crusher?

shit i dont remember

[still quartz]

So the short version is "Block AND Dodge, use Block as an extra safety net, not primary safety method"

[stone fern]

what weapons have less than 5 stamina?

[still quartz]

Which is literally how you're supposed to play

[hard nexus]

idek what point you’re trying to make lmfao

[acoustic dune]

Its prob because I mainly use a knife and haven't touch other weapon since foerver

So yeah that is true

[still quartz]

My point is don't tell newbies to dismiss Blocking entirely you sicko

[hard nexus]

sicko

lmfao

[stone fern]

unironically we're all gonna have to use +3 stamina on ds when it comes to zealot

that shit is like +1 stamina

[hard nexus]

lmfao

i think zealot has 3 stam base?

[elfin steppe]

Don't use it.

Problem solved.

[still quartz]

If you think I'm actually being 100% serious with you then I don't know what to tell you LOL

[hard nexus]

so 4 on a ds4

[stone fern]

still mid 😭

[acoustic dune]

Da fuck is a ds

[hard nexus]

dueling sword

[gleaming hawk]

Nintendo wants to know your location

[acoustic dune]

When did the zealot got a rapier?

[hard nexus]

26th

[stone fern]

NOW

[still quartz]

When that update drops

[hard nexus]

it’s coming in the update

[acoustic dune]

It's gonna be so op

[elfin steppe]

It also got thrust.

[stone fern]

yup

its gonna be disgusting

[hard nexus]

yeah, ds is also getting thrust, meaning zealot will be able to one shot crushers without uncanny

[elfin steppe]

Why,why my Evi no thrust

[hard nexus]

someone did the math on it

[elfin steppe]

Me sad

[hard nexus]

evis does not need thrust

[acoustic dune]

I arleady use a disgusting rapier on the psycher

[still quartz]

Wait no shot DS is getting Thrust

[acoustic dune]

I can't imagine on the zealot

[still quartz]

That's very funny

But how fast can it build Thrust stacks

[stone fern]

i bet its gonna be stupid fast

[acoustic dune]

Extremely

Is my guess

[still quartz]

Shit

That is gonna be fun

[acoustic dune]

Paint it red and it's gonna be fasta

[elfin steppe]

Almost every melee weapon will get thrust.

[acoustic dune]

I am so gonna coom

[hard nexus]

thrust scales off of how long you can hold an attack, 3 stacks is reached a moment before the attack lets go automatically

[still quartz]

Thunder Hammers jealous of Duelling Sword

[hard nexus]

so however long you can hold a ds4 heavy for is how fast it builds

[still quartz]

I think you can hold it for a good amount of time

[hard nexus]

i might be misremembering actually

[still quartz]

At least I have enough time to hold a Heavy while rushing down a Gunner from a fair distance

[elfin steppe]

Well, we don't actually know how TH will perform.

[acoustic dune]

About 5 second if I remenber

[hard nexus]

i’m really tired

[elfin steppe]

But, it definitely looks promising.

[acoustic dune]

Why is the one on the left exicted

[hard nexus]

thrust might build to 3 stacks when the attack is done visually preparing

[gleaming hawk]

You can hold the DS4 heavies pretty long iirc

[acoustic dune]

Actually where do you keep getting all this ferret poster

[fleet zealot]

Twitter reddit google images and other discords

[still quartz]

TH should perform better than before but I'm afraid it'll still be out of most people's pictures unless they're looking for something heavy and blunt

[hard nexus]

it’s getting buffed and power crept in the same update

[acoustic dune]

Why are they posting ferret on discord

[fleet zealot]

Why not

[hard nexus]

ferretworld

[still quartz]

Pretty normal for a -Tide game

[acoustic dune]

What ferret black market did you get into?

[gleaming hawk]

Javelins my beloved

[stone fern]

this is how i imagine the meeting went

[still quartz]

I'm more of a Fire Sword gamer

[elfin steppe]

They put opportunist on Evi is beyond me.

[hard nexus]

flamers need rending don’t u understand

i can’t kill crushers

[acoustic dune]

Fartshark moment

[hard nexus]

that means it’s terrible

[still quartz]

That Stagger THP on Unchained Sienna is bonkers

[stone fern]

so tru so tru

also rending on peril

and rending after elite kill

and rending on crit

[still quartz]

Isn't Flamer basically getting 60% Rending when the enemy's at max 15 Stacks?

[stone fern]

and rending on headshot

its NEEDED

[hard nexus]

20% rending cap

[acoustic dune]

Heck rending on each kill

[gleaming hawk]

I mean, isn't the flamer's weakness supposed to be its short range and not the fact a guy in a tin can isn't melting like a mobile microwave

[acoustic dune]

Or hit

[still quartz]

Oh

[fleet zealot]

No

[still quartz]

Hmmm

Well that doesn't sound as broken on paper

[fleet zealot]

They corrected it on an edit to the notes

On the forums

[hard nexus]

the flamer does not need to be able to kill crushers, it’s already extremely strong

[still quartz]

Ah that explains it

[acoustic dune]

Counterpoint

Nurgle

[fleet zealot]

As well as evidence in the code

[stone fern]

gain one stack of rending per poxwalker killed stacks up to 99999999999 (presistant on different missions)

[acoustic dune]

You know what I really wanna see

[still quartz]

But wait it already does jack shit to Crushers, isn't it gonna take a whole mag just to kill one Crusher like that? At 20% Rending I mean

[acoustic dune]

Speed scalling with each hit

[fleet zealot]

Tldr it lets you stack rending up to 20 stacks, giving 20% rending. Tiers 1-4 apply 1-4 stacks

[still quartz]

Unless someone already done the math

[hard nexus]

the flamer’s weakness is its slow draw time and lack of range, range solved by throwing knives, leaving its sole weakness as taking time to draw and brace

when braced, it can kill a horde of anything except crushers in one cylinder

[still quartz]

It's still stupid good if it can kill a whole Crusher patrol in one mag though, nvm

[elfin steppe]

You don't use it on crushers.

[hard nexus]

it will be able to

[stone fern]

you also kinda have to pick knives with flamer regardless of the pullout speed

[still quartz]

I was taking the Rending into account, yeah

[stone fern]

since you dont have anything for far away snipers/trappers

[elfin steppe]

They put a shitty blessing there does not mean you should use it.

[acoustic dune]

You know what fuck rending

[hard nexus]

yah

throwing knives are the best thing ever invented though so it’s okay

[gleaming hawk]

I don't think throwing knives 'solve' ranged at all, lol

[still quartz]

Overpressure getting fixed on Flamer tho let's gooo

[acoustic dune]

What really need rending is the thunderhammer

[stone fern]

no

[hard nexus]

yes they do, it’s a quick solution to anything within 30 meters consistently, 50 meters when you’re good with throwing knives

[acoustic dune]

How does the thunder hammer not one shot a crusher

[still quartz]

Oops one-shot Daemonhost

[stone fern]

power cycler thammer

[hard nexus]

that’s going to be fixed in the update

[fleet zealot]

Only to be immediately power crept

By rending blessing

[acoustic dune]

From each crit

[still quartz]

IT USED TO

Then they buffed enemy HP

[elfin steppe]

They are increasing the damage of TH against crushers though.

[still quartz]

So now it 2-shot headshot instead

[stone fern]

so to tru also cdr on crit

[elfin steppe]

Just for a price.

[hard nexus]

it never did without chastise

[gleaming hawk]

For single targets, maybe, but not a dozen gunners or whatever else the director decides is going to shoot you to death today

[hard nexus]

you’re zealot, all of your abilities will let you kill gunners

[acoustic dune]

Dude I used to use the thunder hammer I had to run a maturydom with all damage skill

[stone fern]

now it doesnt again

[still quartz]

I mean there was nothing else except Chastise back then

[acoustic dune]

That shit was fun

[stone fern]

after the chastise change

[hard nexus]

charge into them, stealth into them, chorus into them

[still quartz]

Pre Patch 13

[stone fern]

(talking ironhelm btw)

[hard nexus]

you are a melee class, melee

[acoustic dune]

That's arleady a thing

[fleet zealot]

You got a dozen knives and can slide approach into them and kill them and get more knives

[stone fern]

MORE

[acoustic dune]

Get the backstop one aswell then

Stoopid

[still quartz]

Gunners when the loyalist fanatic is sliding menacingly towards them:

[hard nexus]

gunners trying to aim downwards by about 3 inches

[still quartz]

Physically impossible

[gleaming hawk]

Well sure, but that doesn't seem like a reason as to why the flamer is strong with rending. You can cover your weaknesses. Most meta builds can do that.

[fleet zealot]

They got that one disease from nurgle

[acoustic dune]

can i have one with costume

[fleet zealot]

That locks up your bones

[hard nexus]

what

[fleet zealot]

Polio?

[acoustic dune]

as a priest

[acoustic dune]

https://tenor.com/view/orb-cursed-for-begging-gif-19071058

[acoustic dune]

OMG A PSYCHER

[fleet zealot]

As a priest?

[still quartz]

Flamer is strong with Rending because the Rending just melts everything even faster

The Time to Kill will be VERY high

[hard nexus]

the flamer is strong with rending because it will kill everything in the game in one cylinder, an entire horde of crushers will die with minimal effort.

[acoustic dune]

zealot type outfit

[gleaming hawk]

you mean low?

[acoustic dune]

to fit the zealot chat

[still quartz]

Oh shit

Sorry

Low

It will be VERY low

Man I should go sleep too

[fleet zealot]

That may not exist

[acoustic dune]

damn

[fleet zealot]

Even i have my limits

[stone fern]

I remember a week ago when i had to SWAP to my melee weapon to get some uncanny stacks while playing purge

oh how the time flies!

[fleet zealot]

Yea it’s more busted on psyker imo

[acoustic dune]

ok then explain this

[fleet zealot]

They dont even need ammo investment

[still quartz]

Honestly I just want to live out my Saltzpyre dream when Zealot and Vet get their Duelling Swords

[stone fern]

remember gameplay guys???

[frozen kernel]

I feel like I want to saw off the fingers of everyone that doesn't use the ping

[hard nexus]

flamer does not need rending

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iE9Jgv7kml6w59Udu

[still quartz]

Especially Saltzpyre Veteran cosplay

[frozen kernel]

Especially in a LOW VISIBILITY MISSION WITH SNIPERS

LIKE JUST SPAM AT THE FOG GUYS

[still quartz]

Witch Hunter Veteran build let's goooo

[hard nexus]

LMAO

[elfin steppe]

Need power sword for zealot.

[frozen kernel]

FOLLOW THE LASERS, PING THE DUDES, GO BANG BANG

[still quartz]

That would be a bit much but I agree anyway

They're already putting Rending on everything

Just give us the damn Power Sword

[stone fern]

if they wanted to buff flamer they should have just added another clip of ammo in the tank thats enough imo

but RENDING?

[frozen kernel]

I'd gladly give up dueling sword style for a two handed powersword

As an exclusive evi user, I would give up my firstborn for a special that doesn't suck

[still quartz]

I thought Chastise no longer gives Armor Pen?

[hard nexus]

flamer is plenty fine as is

[still quartz]

Or am I overlooking something

[hard nexus]

it doesn’t, that was for movement

[still quartz]

Oh okay yeah that makes sense

[stone fern]

not anymore

[still quartz]

Yeah I was kinda sad but it made sense

[stone fern]

i just dont get the balance direction

[elfin steppe]

The vet has been "too much" since day 1 but FS don't really care.

[hard nexus]

a weapon that can do this should not be able to kill crushers

[still quartz]

Exactly kek

[acoustic dune]

@fleet zealot look at this ferret pope i found

[still quartz]

I still wanna do my Witch Hunter Veteran build with the DS

[stone fern]

reduce ammo because of interaction with chastise
remove interaction with chastise because too op
add the interaction with chastise by default

????????????????????????

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

i forgot about that

that’s a very funny and true way of putting it

[still quartz]

Welcome to FatShark balancing technique

[elfin steppe]

Everytime I get a MF plasma vet, my job becomes picking plasteel.

[still quartz]

Been there since Vermintide

[stone fern]

fatshark moment

[acoustic dune]

its a group effort

[grizzled aspen]

It doesn't, but it does give fire rate, if I'm not mistaken.

[still quartz]

I take what I can get man, so long as the team isn't dying

[still quartz]

I don't think there's a fire rate change but I'm willing to test later when I'm not wasting time on a public chat forum instead of sleeping

[gleaming hawk]

I mean, the problem is the nature of the weapon means it scales infinitely, so pack enough enemies into a spot and it will seem way better than anything else. The offset is that you have to be very close and personal to whatever you're setting on fire, and theoretically speaking the thing you're killing dies slower when it's individuals. Crushers just don't die at all to it, though, and I don't think that makes sense either.

[acoustic dune]

weak mindset always prioritize plasteel

[elfin steppe]

He can literally kill more specials than the whole team combined.

[hard nexus]

20 meters is not close and personal

[still quartz]

Teammates Trapped by net? Nah, big Plasteel calling for me

[ember yew]

it needs 60% rending, but doesn't need 20% rending

[paper harness]

Based king

[still quartz]

Also yeah Flamer range is STUPENDOUSLY long

[grizzled aspen]

Not really.

[still quartz]

The first person view does not do it justice

[gleaming hawk]

I'm not saying the range is good as is.

[hard nexus]

20 meters is enough for whatever you need it for

[grizzled aspen]

IRL flamethrowers will reach out and touch you from like 40ft away.

[still quartz]

Oh

[hard nexus]

that’s what i’m saying, it’s not close and personal

[still quartz]

Half of that is still decently long

[paper harness]

I can kill an entire room as it stands now with one mag

[acoustic dune]

remind me on not long ago i saved a guy from a dog and i slipped of the edge and the wank did nothing

never again

[hard nexus]

but a weapon should not be able to kill infinite crushers with a single mag

at 20 meters

[still quartz]

Most video games keep flamerhrower range at like 10 meters cause bAlAnCE

... or is that Mandela Effect kicking in...

[acoustic dune]

smth smth enlisted

speaking of which

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-18089782898853427957

[acoustic dune]

has someone played that gaijin game

[still quartz]

Imagine if they made Flamer have a cleave falloff

[ember yew]

should be able*

[still quartz]

How tf would that work

[grizzled aspen]

According to a basic google search, the M2 flamethrower (the one America used in WW2 and Vietnam) had a range of up to 40 meters.

[ember yew]

[gleaming hawk]

A range nerf would be fine. I like that better than it just not killing some melee enemies in minutes for no discernable reason.

[hard nexus]

it used to get stopped by bulwark shields

[still quartz]

Yeah I remenber that

[hard nexus]

the discernible reason is balance

[still quartz]

Literally made me hate Bulwarks and I swapped to Kantrael Shotgun for THAT reason alone

[paper harness]

If you want it to kill crushers go play baby diff

[hard nexus]

do you want to go into a match, have a flamer zealot kill every enemy on screen whenever they feel like it?

[still quartz]

I hated Bulwarks so much that I just started using Kantrael

[paper harness]

It does still kill crushers

[gleaming hawk]

I'm obviously talking about in-universe reasons

[acoustic dune]

you know what would be a fun overhaul for the flammer

[still quartz]

Ah yes, old Darktide pre Patch 13 and before Flamer nerfs

[acoustic dune]

if the flame cause frenzy

[frozen kernel]

Quick, laspistol or revolver with evi

[still quartz]

The classic

The debate has never been crazier

[hard nexus]

in universe we should be dead 500 times over

[paper harness]

Post 13 is worse as a whole for balance

[hard nexus]

fuck the lore explanation, the gameplay comes first

[acoustic dune]

what was post 13 again

[hard nexus]

lore comes after

[still quartz]

At least we weren't stuck making the same 3223323 builds

[gleaming hawk]

I mean that checks out for pubs

[paper harness]

They took it away from some weapons and doubled the class ability

[paper harness]

Trees

[still quartz]

Patch 13 were Talent trees

[acoustic dune]

TREESS?????????

[gleaming hawk]

You can have both

[acoustic dune]

ah that

[grizzled aspen]

Talent overhaul.

[gleaming hawk]

It's not an either or

[still quartz]

Basically kinda revived Darktide?

Idunno

[paper harness]

4x stronger players

[still quartz]

I just know that I was hella happy to NOT RUN THE SAME CHASTISE BUILD EVERY DAY AGAIN

[hard nexus]

yes you can, but gameplay should always take priority. Explain gameplay with lore, not lore with gameplay.

this is irrelevant to the discussion anyway, flamers should not be able to kill crushers

[elfin steppe]

Because collision doesn't exist in this game.

[paper harness]

Soyker

[acoustic dune]

speaking of which wasnt there like a 2 wound curio back then

[elfin steppe]

A baby rager just stays in Bulwark's belly and smacks you.

[paper harness]

You are arguing with a soyker

[elfin steppe]

Or a baby Mauler

[hard nexus]

voidstaff feet psyker*

[paper harness]

[gleaming hawk]

I disagree, the flamer's weakness should be ranged enemies

[acoustic dune]

or do i have hysteria ?

[paper harness]

Visual glitch for a week

Not real wounds

[still quartz]

I think so, never saw one legitimately

[hard nexus]

a weakness that is not an issue ever on zealot

[acoustic dune]

naw let the flammer melt before it hit you

[gleaming hawk]

obviously, the flamer already works that way. It killing crushers at a reasonable pace should be fine.

[still quartz]

Fuckin "Stand behind Braum" ass enemies

[acoustic dune]

sad i wish it was real

[paper harness]

It already does

[acoustic dune]

the matyrdom build would have been crazy

[hard nexus]

no it shouldn’t

a flamer can kill a hundred ragers, reapers, maulers, even bulwarks

[elfin steppe]

He does not stand behind bulwark,he is literally just inside the bulwark.

[paper harness]

Imma just say this

[grizzled aspen]

The weakness of the flamer is your tradeoff of being unable to kill off specialists like normal guns can. This is mitigated by having throwing knives, and, if you're playing to zealout's strengths (second wind, good balance, etc), you're taking throwing knives anyway.

[still quartz]

Nah the real debate here should be "rename Fury of the Faithful to Chastise the Wicked" or nah

I know it's the default name if you don't pick a skill but liiiikkkeeeeeee who reads that ehe

[gleaming hawk]

yes

[paper harness]

If you want everything to die fast go play piss baby malice instead of ruining all diffs for everyone

[hard nexus]

fury should be chastise

[gleaming hawk]

Most builds cover their weaknesses with the tools available to them

[hard nexus]

chastise sounds cooler anyway

[hard nexus]

and you cover the weakness of not killing crushers with a flamer by meleeing them

[still quartz]

I keep thinking "fury of the furry" when I read Fury of the Faithful so yes

[hard nexus]

you are a melee class

use your melee

[still quartz]

Rename to Chastise

[acoustic dune]

people actually play on malice?

[paper harness]

The developers

[acoustic dune]

i thought that was a myth

[hard nexus]

i saw a level 1.5k on malice a while ago

so

[still quartz]

Yeah I was helping a friend level

[hard nexus]

apparently yes

[still quartz]

And, yep, high levels on Malice

[elfin steppe]

Somebody give this unfaithful man some holy fire!

[acoustic dune]

i love going we ballin so much

[still quartz]

Even higher than my 350+ Zealot which means nothing

[hard nexus]

(i was bored and wanted to people watch new players)

[grizzled aspen]

Malice gamers be like "mmyes today I will put shred on my rashad."

[acoustic dune]

i thought they only do it for the weekly

[paper harness]

Celine

[stone fern]

u and paradise

[ember yew]

could be helping his new friend

[still quartz]

Idfk man, Plasteel gains from Damnation runs should be convincing enough

[hard nexus]

they sucked

[paper harness]

I’m sorry but the worst balance takes come from two mains

[ember yew]

nvm then

[stone fern]

grinding weeklies

[paper harness]

Psyker and fucking vet

[hard nexus]

psyker and vet?

yeah

[still quartz]

Plus I just run regular Damn anyway, Auric is a bit much for my stupidity-addled brain

[hard nexus]

ogryns are kinda just

[grizzled aspen]

Vet mains be like "my tree is so balanced."

[hard nexus]

stupid in general

[grizzled aspen]

Only ogryn supremacists are.

[stone fern]

you're wrong!!!!! purge NEEDS rending!!!!

[acoustic dune]

tbh i go to malice to try and help new player and grind my left over weekly

[hard nexus]

i gave up on doing weeklies forever ago

[paper harness]

Sedition for weeklies

[hard nexus]

if i do them i do them

[paper harness]

[paper harness]

Melkies

[hard nexus]

but i never go out of my way for them

[still quartz]

Sedition regularly

Other difficulties too scary

[hard nexus]

i’m a sedition slut

[acoustic dune]

what kind of weekly do you get to give up

[stone fern]

if you get someone to ring the bell twins uprising is faster

[hard nexus]

huh

is this a joke i don’t get

[acoustic dune]

no

[stone fern]

you can do it in like 5 minutes and get monster kills

[acoustic dune]

like actual question

[hard nexus]

i just don’t actively do my weeklies anymore

[still quartz]

Finish 8 matches with no Player Deaths for... 150 Melk tokens c:

[paper harness]

I can speedrun faster

[stone fern]

i saw you fail at glitching a door in the time it takes me to do twins

[acoustic dune]

yeah thats a bitch fair nuff

[grizzled aspen]

New counterargument to literally anything Meow says.

[still quartz]

With randoms, yeah...

[paper harness]

My sedition record on zealot for relay station was 2 mins 20 seconds

[hard nexus]

@grizzled aspen

[acoustic dune]

i just try to do it in one playthrough not per match mind you

[hard nexus]

we had this conversation already

[still quartz]

Alright enough bullshit from me

End of the day

[stone fern]

my record is .1 mili second

[still quartz]

Just grab whatever and have fun

Idfk

[stone fern]

i can say stuff too

[still quartz]

Your life, not mine

[hard nexus]

end of the day listen to me

[grizzled aspen]

I wasn't there so it didnt happen. The world revolves only around me sweaty. 💅

[hard nexus]

i’m always right

[acoustic dune]

counterpoint
EXPLODE

[hard nexus]

are you going to peddle your MLM now

[paper harness]

Anyway the ogryn playtesters are less delusional than the average psyker who uses any staff other than surge

[grizzled aspen]

The kark is an MLM?

[still quartz]

No don't listen to meow, they're secretly an IRS agent trying to take your hard-earned cash and calling it "taxes"

[hard nexus]

multi-level marketing

[still quartz]

Don't believe their lies

[hard nexus]

the pyramid scheme stuff

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah, no, those are definitely words.

[paper harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/UHSxbpr6A3

[grizzled aspen]

But they have no meaning to me.

[acoustic dune]

is surge bad or smth

[stone fern]

ogryn playtesters are ueless until mantling is fixed

[still quartz]

Counter-counterpoint

Melt

[hard nexus]

no you can trust meow, she’s super trustworthy and won’t steal anything of yours ever

[acoustic dune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/579428576453984257/1157884617202876477/attachment.gif

[still quartz]

I don't care who the IRS sends, I'm not paying taxes

[hard nexus]

fuck

[acoustic dune]

ok but what if they sent you

[grizzled aspen]

Erm, actually, Meow is literally Hadron.

[still quartz]

I'n still not paying

[acoustic dune]

he kiss you

[grizzled aspen]

Actively running the pockets of every player she lays eyes on.

[still quartz]

Oh god no

[stone fern]

then he wouldnt be home?????????????

[paper harness]

Fuck you meow

500 million dockets

[stone fern]

you can NOT make him pay

[gleaming hawk]

so why use a flamer and not just a melee? Isn't the point of the flamer its supposed-to-be massive drawbacks (limited range in your ranged slot, limited ammunition)? I'm not saying it's there now, but I'm saying I definitely prefer a world where the flamer actually serves the idea of one rather than failing to do that, and the former can definitely be balanced.

[still quartz]

Out of business the moment new update hits