zealot-class

[gloomy badge]

Yeah literally all of these are fine

Very few weapons in this game are horrendously bad

[spare talon]

why the opposition to the knife

[gusty orbit]

What you don't want Idris Elba on absolutely every piece of media existing? That's racist and fascist 🗿🗿🗿

[stone fern]

jeeez im tired

[gusty orbit]

I'm truly hating the all games have celebrities now here's ours that AAA games have now

[sour oxide]

because knife is bad only zealots use it to run and hide and cause wipes.

[frosty herald]

Damn cdpr for not letting me blast cohn asap

[frosty herald]

Hes so annoying

[fleet zealot]

crusher power maul

[stone fern]

i mean i agree but they did great in cyberpunk

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[kind oriole]

Doesn't look and feel cool enough. It's WH40K, I don't want to play with an oversized kitchen knife

[stone fern]

its not a generic jack black apperance where he plays the same role in every fucking game/movie

[frosty herald]

Only in the dlc and celebrities basegame

[copper hawk]

so fucking troo

[frosty herald]

The youtuber cameos were so forced

[sour oxide]

what about a regular sized kitchen knife

[copper hawk]

best weapon for killing armor isn't the anti tank anti armor hammer

nono

[stone fern]

there were youtube cameos?

[copper hawk]

it lil pen knife

[gusty orbit]

True, we can still gaslight the community to think knives are a bad weapon because they incite violence

[fleet zealot]

just tell them about the crusher lol

[copper hawk]

like the mk 3 knife looks like a fucking knife u get in those pre packaged stamp steel knife sets u get at walmart

[frosty herald]

Cohn carnage and jesse cux

[stone fern]

i got the game at like v2.01 after all the issues

[fleet zealot]

it's so easy to roll for currently it only has 4 blessings and only 1 matters

[copper hawk]

and it's not even like the biggest knife

[stone fern]

idk who those people are

[frosty herald]

Theres probably more but i dont care about them

[sour oxide]

I push that knives are trash everyday so it doesn't get touched by the devs in a naughty way

[fleet zealot]

im busy not doing anything and not using my brain

[stone fern]

me frfr

[spare talon]

thats how i felt at first
after playing around with many othe weapons and getting a really good foundation of combat, i revisited it and it was like night and day
play other weapons for a while till you feel like youre comfortable with melee combat then give it another go, its one of the most fun weapons when used properly

[stone fern]

wait why was this one low res

smh

[nimble fiber]

frfr

[spare talon]

till then probably try a crusher for zealot, that thing fucks so hard

[copper hawk]

erm

unleash the freak much ?

[sour oxide]

i need a good hard fucking weapon

[gusty orbit]

Thought you was gonna argument because it's the most boring op weapon but that's true also

[copper hawk]

tacaxe

have fun

[gusty orbit]

This game would be better without a virgin knife

[sour oxide]

lol ironically my tac axe is the best weapon I have and I main dagger.

[spare talon]

knife is stupidly good yes

but i think its quite fun to use also

[copper hawk]

troo

[sour oxide]

100%

[copper hawk]

it's fun 2 win

[sour oxide]

the movement with the combat instead of just I m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1

[copper hawk]

all combat is m1 actually

it's the only attack input,,

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-кот-gif-23776192

[sour oxide]

yeah but sometimes you fondle the m1 longer

for big m1

[copper hawk]

that's why u should ALL play sm2

[spare talon]

do not describe a heavy attack as fondling.,,,,,,

[frosty herald]

Cdpr please let me destroy nightcorp and president myers😭

[copper hawk]

cuz cuz cuz , ,, combat is ,,

[gusty orbit]

Actually yeah, that's the only way to play zealot

[copper hawk]

M1 AND m2..

[nimble fiber]

peak

[spare talon]

actually
special attack can deal damage

youre wrong

youre wrong

youre wrong

youre wrong

[copper hawk]

and grenades

but u have 2 m1 to throw grenades

the knifeu just press

[sour oxide]

yeah sometimes you get to fondle the m2 or the m3 if you have one

[copper hawk]

so there's rlly 3 attack inputs

[spare talon]

how does it feel to be so catastrophically wrong cica

[copper hawk]

i kill u

w a big ol rock

dont test me

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1274437110933229588/caption-17.gif

[copper hawk]

u dont know what im capable of..

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lobo-lobisomem-werewolf-lobisomem-pidao-gif-5024427197428066691

[gusty orbit]

Shit getting real

[sour oxide]

fbi has entered the chatroom

[copper hawk]

#StopFemboyHate

i'm doxxin u on twitter cole

it's over

i'm postin that ur located on planet Earth

[sour oxide]

whats twitter

[copper hawk]

4 ur transgressionz against femboy kind

[sour oxide]

livin in the pasttttt

[copper hawk]

it's so over 4 u lil freak

[gusty orbit]

So yeah, you're supposed to play as block-push-m1-m2 repeat, it's a cycle, it's not an abusable system at all

[copper hawk]

srry i deadnamed twitter

x i mean

[sour oxide]

welp ull never be president for tha tone

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-punisher-punisher-daredevil-punisher-court-scene-punisher-court-speech-gif-9280760464850102883

[copper hawk]

dont u have malice baby mode missions 2 play cole..

hehe..

[frosty herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1274437110933229588/caption-17.gif

[spare talon]

no
i play baby mode heresy missions, get it right

im not even play darktide rn

[copper hawk]

got this knowing one in my face

im not even play

[sour oxide]

tbh heresy is probably harder than auric...

you play against two enemies, your team and the enemy

[copper hawk]

this isnt me teasin u 4 mistyping that

as much as i LOVE 2 tease u..,

im gonna say that now

im not even play

im not even play darktide either..

they're gonna bubblewrap it..

[gusty orbit]

Credit were credit is due, heresy is harder that auric, you play against the omnipotent trolling force of your team

[copper hawk]

like hd2..

patch notes:
smite now does 1 morbillion damage

see u after holiday

[sour oxide]

I think 33% of damage taken is usually a barrel and the resulting injury from said barrel. ie bouncing you while trying to dodge a crusher overhead.

[gusty orbit]

Game finally reaches 10k concurrent players forever after

[copper hawk]

sometimez i see knife zealots

and this lil creature in my brain (brain worm) tellz me 2 shoot the orange barrel

when they r close 2 edge..

[copper hawk]

👶 ⚙️

blay auric damnation again like a MAN

[sour oxide]

that seemed personal

[obsidian ore]

You better stay tf out of auric

[stone fern]

GET TF OUTTA MY AURIC

he was clealy doing 2 wound marty

u just ruined his dps

unironically had that one game

[sour oxide]

I actually tried marty build yesterday. literally 1-2 shotting crushers was just wild.

[spare talon]

marty with 2 wounds is probably the worst keystone in the game if you try to make use of it

the worst keystone potential in the game is probably focus target
if you never mark anything

[obsidian ore]

Bro at that point just play IJ

[sour oxide]

lol I mark so much people think I have my m1 bound to it.

[stone fern]

just bind tag to lmb

its that easy

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-thats-true-true-adachi-tohru-adachi-gif-7686386473571447384

[obsidian ore]

Wtf is two wounds martyrdom lmao

[sour oxide]

meta obvi

[obsidian ore]

As a noob I didn’t know

[stone fern]

ive seen things 🚬

[merry flume]

i mean 4 wounds marty is just perma momentum

[spare talon]

the only weapon id consider a marty build for is crusher

[merry flume]

but with 1 hp

[rocky nacelle]

you're the reason no knife blessings or knife was nerfed............

https://tenor.com/view/kenshiro-kenshiro-sunglasses-hokuto-no-ken-fist-of-the-north-star-omaewamoushindeiru-gif-13816001

[spare talon]

i dont like marty so thats the only thing id be willing to do it with

[merry flume]

crusher marty just feels good

[stone fern]

not really you need 6 stacks to even come close to like 14-12 stacks of moentum

[sour oxide]

my plan is workingggg. knives are trash so are the players that use them.

[obsidian ore]

rashad martyr is my comfort ilveg solo build

[gusty orbit]

The only good martyrdom build is the one when they eliminate martyrdom and give a proper keystone in exchange

[stone fern]

no

[sour oxide]

there is a zealot named vultar that gave me his rashad marty build and it srsly is devastating.

[stone fern]

marty is fine

[obsidian ore]

In the right hands it deals an absurd amount of damage

[stone fern]

if anything

marty is very week

pls buff

also buff rashad too veri veri week

[ornate bone]

I don't like marty

[obsidian ore]

In my entire experience of playing darktide i’ve never been outdamaged by anyone

With martyr rashad

[stone fern]

thats because they all leave the mission with such a troll build

[spare talon]

honestly im only okay with rashad
like it pummels everything but i feel like the moment that im in a bad situation i cant handle it as well as other weapon choices i like

[obsidian ore]

I’ve even been reported for cheating because I was one shotting things

[ornate bone]

It's a slightly bigger boost than judgement, melee-only and needs you to build wounds

[gusty orbit]

Just make martyrdom %hp, problem solved, extra wounds are only used in those dumb builds anyway or by people scared of the concept of dying as other classes

[merry flume]

i can't wait for aclys buff

[stone fern]

lmao who reported you? the crushers?

[spare talon]

i probably just dont vibe with the rashad

[sour oxide]

I just feel like I am in some B horror movie with the Ree ree ree playing each overhead.

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2/clips/iEKz3FtF56DD9dxOT/d1337Sfl96Cz?invite=cr-MSxjSTMsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[obsidian ore]

I completely understand. Martyr is a glass cannon, IJ is just so much safer

[gusty orbit]

It's ugly but the overhead is glorious

[copper hawk]

cole im surprised u dont play sm2

parrying is so much fun..

[ornate bone]

I legitimately can't understand which part of marty is tanky

[spare talon]

no i just mean rashad in general

[merry flume]

it offers no good feeling feedback loop, it's just lock in and minmax

[rocky nacelle]

the only thing knife has done that is an irreparable damage to the community, is give zealots more main character syndrome (the dog shit ones use shroud cause they cant position properly), and everyone hates knife cause its either one of the strongest melees and thats why they hate it or they hate it cause of the players (going back to the shroud zealots)

[ornate bone]

I don't like marty and think it's the worst zealot build

Nerds

[stone fern]

7 wounds
glass cannon
lmao if you die someone will eventually pick you up from the piles of dead around you

[merry flume]

limited varied animations just the same light attack loop 10,000 times 😴

[nimble fiber]

[sour oxide]

@obsidian ore wait shouldn't you be basically 1 hit anyways to make martyr even worth?

[rocky nacelle]

just be on your last wound

[stone fern]

nah

[rocky nacelle]

doesnt need to be actual 1 hp

[stone fern]

even 4 wounds is good enough

[rocky nacelle]

no

5

5-6 is perfect

[stone fern]

you cant reach max stacks in auric

[sour oxide]

IT NEEDS to be 1HP so people know you are good at the game

[gusty orbit]

Inb4 bad martyr zealots getting downed 10 times the whole match and being a burden

[obsidian ore]

Yep. That’s the problem. If you wanna get max value from martyr you’d be around 30-40 hp mark

[ornate bone]

This is the kind of thing that earns an "and "

[merry flume]

one attack with marty is enough to give you 100% last stand hp back lmao

[spare talon]

i feel like i play better with the standard issue shovel on vet than rashad
i may be doing more with rashad but thats just cuz of how fucking busted it is

[stone fern]

yeah happens

[obsidian ore]

Having wounds doesn’t make you tanky, you’re one burster away from hitting the shitter

[stone fern]

you cant have more than 6

[sour oxide]

😦 I use shroud.

[stone fern]

4 wounds is good enough

wait

[rocky nacelle]

you dont count

[merry flume]

i love when shroud zealots go down because i can post "?" and i know they're seething

[stone fern]

i mean 4 wounds of damage

not total

[rocky nacelle]

only BAD shroud zealots on knife trauma

[spare talon]

oh my god lmao

[rocky nacelle]

im talking about

[gusty orbit]

It's a shit ass weapon anyway, pair the sweaties with a flamer and you have the worst Rambo knockoff main character syndrome I've seen in any horde shooter

[sour oxide]

oh so now I am not good enough to be in the shit zealot group?

[rocky nacelle]

yes

[sour oxide]

damn

fr

[merry flume]

just be worse

[sour oxide]

oh but I try

[rocky nacelle]

just shroud field then die to an explosive barrel

[ornate bone]

I will shit your pants

[stone fern]

no

be a man

chastise into the barrel

[rocky nacelle]

you're talking to him

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-well-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-kenobi-star-wars-gif-21401108

[sour oxide]

hit the barrel and turn around and chastise into it.

[obsidian ore]

5 stacks is the comfort zone for martyr, where you’d have enough hp to survive most common bs. It also has enough damage to get the bps needed

But i like more damage and edging my hp bar so 6 stacks for me

[lean cairn]

whats the build

[rocky nacelle]

i use mk6 and mk3 with flamer

[ornate bone]

Knife is unironically one of the best weapons in the game

[rocky nacelle]

im part of the problem

[gusty orbit]

That's pretty ironic to say the least

[stone fern]

comfy for me is 4 wounds

[rocky nacelle]

and im practicing 1v1ing daemonhosts

im going to be more of the problem

once i get good at it

[gusty orbit]

Yeah just leech everyone's fun, not too shabby

[rocky nacelle]

bro in zealot chat just to bitch about zealot activities

make it make sense

[obsidian ore]

But yeah martyr scales well with individual skill. The more you get used to avoiding taking damage the better it gets. Unfortunately sometimes darktide is darktide and even I die to a poxwalker lol

[rocky nacelle]

marty feels amazing once you're acquainted with the game

[stone fern]

yeah

[spare talon]

erm..... skill issue...???

[gusty orbit]

Nah I just have unjustified hatred towards the sweatiest build that main characters use to not even have highest damage

[rocky nacelle]

if you can go a whole map while only being on 1-2 wounds and no marty

[modern lintel]

Marty was the first ever build I tried when I got the game

[rocky nacelle]

just imagine what you can do on 1-2 wounds with 5 stacks of marty power

[lean cairn]

what have you got on the rashad

[spare talon]

i dont think i could live without second wind
id still be taking tknives

[stone fern]

notoughness on dodge 😭

[obsidian ore]

Real pro gamer move when you have 7 wounds and no martyrdom

[rocky nacelle]

understandable

[lean cairn]

level 4000...

[stone fern]

id rather have enough hp for poxbursters thanks

[rocky nacelle]

too bad most of the people who play zealot in here have a "tryhard" build that involves a flamer

probably

[sour oxide]

oh I suck with the build but the guy who gave it to me is a fckn god with it it

[ornate bone]

I forgo the highest damage to have double what everyone else has on ranged elite kills

Sigmar male

[rocky nacelle]

whats your hp on marty

noob

[sour oxide]

glitch there is a . in there

[stone fern]

zero

[rocky nacelle]

oh wait clad I forgot

[spare talon]

this is what id use for my marty build, which id only choose crusher for

[rocky nacelle]

you're a fucking noob

you dont sit in fire barrels

to get 5-6 stacks of marty

game start

[modern lintel]

I remember when I was so noob the only reasonable answer to dog waves were fire nade

[stone fern]

unethical

[ornate bone]

Yo wtf i cant use the buzz lightyear gif on this one

[stone fern]

if i lose health i lose health

if i dont i dont

[rocky nacelle]

then whats the point of marty

if you dont use it from the start

[stone fern]

letting noobs use health items

[obsidian ore]

This is pretty much what I run for solos but I ditch double dash and desperation for anoint and purge the unclean

[sour oxide]

rashad headtaker and bm revovler w/ hand cannon and sustained

[obsidian ore]

The reason I do that is ilvegs tho

[spare talon]

actually
when crafting update drops im gonna run this with the new crusher blessings, SC and slaught combo

[lean cairn]

thanks

[obsidian ore]

Where monster damage matters a lot

[stone fern]

i just try to never heal

[rocky nacelle]

clad you are the noob

🙄

wake up

[stone fern]

no

[spare talon]

if i dont like marty with it then ill swap back to IJ

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/wakeup-gif-19924898

[spare talon]

cuz dodge buffs for crusher are so nice

[rocky nacelle]

i used marty crusher

and almost 1 tapping a crusher is pretty funny

but man those dodges

[sour oxide]

vultra marty - https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cf90c16-0d3f-46a3-a42a-612956941dd2/vultra-marty
I think he made a typo on it instead of 5% toughness node change to duelist

[paper harness]

Had this idiot smyker in vc

5 wounds

[stone fern]

yeah looking at my vieos im around 4 wounds of damage for most of them

[paper harness]

Smite

[sour oxide]

lol I know that guy

[paper harness]

Bubble

[fleet zealot]

epic_cole u aren't ever on at the same time

[obsidian ore]

Bro is just better Dorn

[sour oxide]

yeah

[lean cairn]

what we thinking of my zealot

he's called InfantEater

[fleet zealot]

by can you explain the math behind hammerblwo smaul

[paper harness]

Agri pistol

[fleet zealot]

cause someone keeps supporting it

and i want to properly debunk them or have my dumbass thrown down

[spare talon]

i think i saw that person when i looked
cuz i saw their stream and saw them quelling with both hands so chances are it was them with smite

[sour oxide]

not sure about the pistol but he was wounded up. must know something I dont

[fleet zealot]

hammerblow+LR specifically without skullcrusher so i'm doubly confused

[obsidian ore]

Hammerblow is great to proc skullcrusher, it lets you get some insane stagger breakpoints. But idk why you’d run it without sc

[paper harness]

I nearly exploded

[spare talon]

wdym
what are you talking about

[fleet zealot]

read above

or well, read down from the comment you replied to

[spare talon]

hammerblow smaul?

[paper harness]

5 mins left on kino farming map

[spare talon]

without SC?

[obsidian ore]

You secretly admire that man’s skill %100

[lean cairn]

how to improve

[spare talon]

yeah no thats stupid

[sour oxide]

gimmie yo ordo

[stone fern]

hammerblow works well with skullcrusher in general

[paper harness]

naked with bad weapons

[stone fern]

make a new one

[paper harness]

hmm

[lean cairn]

literally just made this now

[fleet zealot]

for vet and psyker i can see it but you can always run LR and take an easy stagger node on zealot

[spare talon]

someone actually bumped my favor of SC for smaul because it was more effective than i had realized even with no impact buffs

[fleet zealot]

but yea

[paper harness]

I did 6 million farmed last night

[stone fern]

bad base with 1/4

[spare talon]

you do not need hammerblow in the slightest for shock maul

[stone fern]

building a rashad isnt easy

[sour oxide]

@paper harness mad lad.

[lean cairn]

i have every blessing

[fleet zealot]

you don't need it for crusher maul either

[sour oxide]

you can deposit it into my account please and thank you

[spare talon]

hell im using it with SI shovel and making great use out of it, and when compared it has 1/3rd of the impact on lights and 2/3rd of the impact on heavies

[modern lintel]

I wanted to try shock maul on psyker when it came out felt very icky

[spare talon]

compared to smaul

[copper hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150484142614659113/1283513339527434381/Screenshot_20240911-211856_Brave.png?ex=66e34472&is=66e1f2f2&hm=ea002f2d3e9826e98f7c2f5045c31868b8ceaa97e09468e772059f2570150917&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231286447131328544/1283555505939419138/RDT_20240911_1741235439764679042060724.jpg?ex=66e36bb7&is=66e21a37&hm=9c0039ec3defd51134c7b66d622c5059229a3e70eac44881725739ae4bc553bc&

[obsidian ore]

Can’t make it work for psyker either. Feels real bad

[sour oxide]

no one queuing for clandestium maelstrom 😦

[spare talon]

thats so awesome

[lean cairn]

i upgraded the wrong one

[fleet zealot]

i tested a purple crusher with no hammerblow just skullcrusher

[stone fern]

real

i will play deadlock now

[gusty orbit]

Give the thing a week and everyone will forget about it

[modern lintel]

@rocky nacelle AWAKE

[fleet zealot]

and I did fine, infact it was better for chaff clear cause i wasn't knocking everything on their ass 3 feet away from me

[rocky nacelle]

WHAT

what maelstrom

[spare talon]

even then, slaught will have power

[sour oxide]

its a type of cheese

[lean cairn]

are you happy now

[fleet zealot]

yep

[stone fern]

real

[fleet zealot]

crusher back to SSS+ tier

[stone fern]

now change infested for maniac

[sour oxide]

how many millions did it take?

[fleet zealot]

those attack speed nerfs would never hold it down

[lean cairn]

the lock...

[lean cairn]

this was my second try

[spare talon]

i was considering trying out marty crusher after the marty topic but im just gonna wait for crafting

[stone fern]

see u on the 26th

[sour oxide]

so you gave the ole ..under the table

[rocky nacelle]

this on clandestium

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hard nexus]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iEATxoAJJ36JHvpgm/d1337yjRT0CF?invite=cr-MSxMc20sMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[sour oxide]

the snowy place

[rocky nacelle]

it is a snowy place

[frosty herald]

Fun fact

[paper harness]

Back to 11 million, maelstrom over

Sad

[obsidian ore]

Crusher is defo gon be SSS tier. One of the safest melee weps in the game with great damage, now slaughterer flavored

[gusty orbit]

Did people like that new map or was it shit?

[rocky nacelle]

its the best map in the game

[frosty herald]

You can dodge through sniper shots in sm2

[fleet zealot]

it's experimental for sure

[paper harness]

New map has functional spawns until the second half

A lot of players hate that

lol

[fleet zealot]

it def tests pubs a lot harsher than other maps, up there with the torrent silo cluster stairway of hell but the entire map

[ornate bone]

HOLY SHIT I CAN'T FUCKING SCROLL UP ON MOBILE

I hate this app

[rocky nacelle]

the 2nd half part or the real spawns

[fleet zealot]

i don't think it's bad

[paper harness]

The real spawns

[rocky nacelle]

(I wish the spawns were consistent)

the whole map

[paper harness]

Solo cluster sucks cock

[obtuse solstice]

@lean cairn hey bb

[frosty herald]

The open area after the train ride is kinda doodoo

Luckily you can run into a side building

[lean cairn]

are you in my game or something

[obtuse solstice]

yeap

[fleet zealot]

that too, it's always a horde spawn timer and shooters and gunners and more elite spawns

[obsidian ore]

You wanna know which map’s the worst on a solo without knife or stealth? The end of ascension riser

[fleet zealot]

all coming down

[gusty orbit]

Can't possibly dislike having an arbitrary chance of instawipe because the game felt like spawning 30 elites there

[paper harness]

time to post it again

[obsidian ore]

The moment the ascension riser event ends and you open the door to the little corridor specials go apeshit if solo

[paper harness]

End of shit riser we wiped

[gusty orbit]

I never had issues with the rest of the map other that the dumb first event and people not covering the endless elite spawns

[gusty orbit]

It seems the others were... Useful

[obsidian ore]

Yep. A common occurrence if your team decides to fuck around. Generally ends with find out

[paper harness]

15 mins solo#

lmao

[rocky nacelle]

mfw my team dies to the 10 gunners/3 bombers/ and 2 shotgunners they let spawn at the far left of the first event

[stone fern]

OK

melk reset

lets see what we get

[obsidian ore]

Anyways hitting the fortress of dreams, peace out

[paper harness]

I have 6900 melkies

Night hammie

[gusty orbit]

And even if you go cover the side they die to specials ffs

[stone fern]

one thing i have you beat on lmao

23k

[paper harness]

I spend them all

On blessings

Each weak

[spare talon]

im at like 140k or something

[stone fern]

im not getting any t3s or t4s

[rocky nacelle]

yep

trapper/dog

or mutie

[stone fern]

besides that

[paper harness]

I will probably reach cap by this time next year

[stone fern]

they said melk is getting buffed

so maybe i should keep some

[paper harness]

If milk doesn’t shit out perfect rolls I do not care

[stone fern]

ye

380s with single dumps or bust

[gusty orbit]

Make him give weapons with good potential stats, but that's probably wishful thinking

[stone fern]

nah fuck that

[paper harness]

@slate haven regular his hock

[stone fern]

im not spending more to boost them

[paper harness]

You joining?

I need a plasteel monkey

[stone fern]

its 3 am

im sleeping after checking melk

[fleet zealot]

love using the armory site so i can check melk's shit and decide not to open game

[paper harness]

I didn’t ask you clad

You are a soyker main

[stone fern]

buf you still have to open it to buy stuff

[stone fern]

thats a lie and you knowit

check my true level for my psyker and my zealot rn

[paper harness]

No

[ornate bone]

Me loading into the Mourningstar after 2 years to find Melk is selling me those movie theater recordings again

[stone fern]

mhmm

[paper harness]

[lean cairn]

that went well

[rocky nacelle]

plasteel monkey

new darktide slur

[obtuse solstice]

barrels claim another victim

[lean cairn]

didnt stand a chance

[spare talon]

im considering being a plasteel monkey

[paper harness]

I have a few hundred

[rocky nacelle]

for every class i assume

[spare talon]

but i alreadly have like 525k plasteel

[paper harness]

Yes

And for bad players

[rocky nacelle]

that’s just called shitters

[ornate bone]

Chaos cricket

[rocky nacelle]

at least that’s what I call bad players universally in every game

[paper harness]

I had 1.4 million plasteel at one point

Fuk you hadron

[lean cairn]

like a month ago i had 1 plasteel

[rocky nacelle]

who’s ready to be a sand raider zealot tomorrow

[ornate bone]

I'm not

Sorry buddy

Apologies pal

[rocky nacelle]

as long as they have the face wrap mask

[stone fern]

no sunder qq

[rocky nacelle]

As a single item/side piece

I’m ok with it

[ornate bone]

Hah

Do you think

[rocky nacelle]

no

[median steeple]

wait was the next rotation leaked or are you just coping

[ornate bone]

You're getting a blue mask with a camo pattern

[rocky nacelle]

leaked

I want cousin okris face wraps he has

rare zealot head piece

The sets leaked but not individual side items

Don’t know what they will be

[stone fern]

im not buying anything until locks are gone

[ornate bone]

Noodle of hatres

D

[median steeple]

Mushroom

we're rich

[paper harness]

finally

[ornate bone]

bleed seems so incredibly bad, why would anyone ever use it on any weapon

[sour oxide]

because they read reddit

[ornate bone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1166851827900350575/bloodknife.gif?ex=654bfe72&is=65398972&hm=a29c6925d49ddb17e8259b3a13969f39435a19f50424ed7168ca805ed587c8f2&

[paper harness]

shhh

[ornate bone]

I LOVE FLESHTEARER LACERATE

RAHHHHHHHHHH

[sour oxide]

in all fairness lacerate early days was beast esp w/ bulwarks

[spare talon]

youre right
in most situations, bleed isnt good compared to another blessing

[sour oxide]

gg

whoopsies wrong window

[ornate bone]

ggs

[paper harness]

die darktide

die

[spare talon]

the 3 main viable uses for bleed is mercy killer via vet talents, ogryn heavy attacks for horde clear and dr, and for zealot crit chance

[ornate bone]

simply have it run off your CPU

[spare talon]

all of which are directly related to bleed sources within the talents themselves for additional effects

[ornate bone]

so it's a skill issue mostly

[paper harness]

totally balanced gain per mission lmao

[ornate bone]

what do you mean with bleed for zealot crit chance?

oh you mean crit bleeds?

[spare talon]

at the top right of the skill tree, read the scourge talent

yeah

30% is nothing to scoff at, and its self sufficient cuz it procs bleed itself

[paper harness]

Flesh tearer sucks

[ornate bone]

wrong, it tears

[sour oxide]

my logic is nothing lives long enough to apply the crit to get a payback on fleshtearer. unless its a boss then what twice a map its good?

if youre a zealot.

[ornate bone]

hmmm

HMMMM

[sour oxide]

then the vets swarm you and wtfomgffs flesh tearer is best tearer

[spare talon]

even then, scourge with 0 sources of additional crit will also stack up to max easily

[paper harness]

I almost exclusively play monstrous, and there’s a specific feedback loop that’s kino with lacerate on crushers

[spare talon]

cuz a crit is 2 stacks of bleed, which will snowball

[paper harness]

Plus trash

[gusty orbit]

Flesh tearer only makes sense against elites and even then its just better to heavy attack spam and be done with it

[sour oxide]

isnt the damage per scourge lower than the dmg from a reg bleed stack?

[spare talon]

so ft only makes you reach that peak on bosses much faster, when youd get there anyway with scourge alone

[gusty orbit]

Lacerate makes knives erase hordes and just bonkers op stuff all around, even more so with uncanny strike, which is just a must on knives anyway

[paper harness]

It’s one of 2 options

[spare talon]

ive never heard a single thing like this in my life

[sour oxide]

hang on lemme test. I thought there was a dmg discrepancy

[paper harness]

It’s either precog riposte or uncanny whatever

[sour oxide]

riposte uncanny till they take my baby away

[spare talon]

but knife also one shots enemies to the head on a light attack so lacerate for horde clear is a moot point

[fleet zealot]

i have a flesh tearer uncanny knife

cause sometimes

you just gotta bleed a mofo

[hard nexus]

unless ur using a mk6

[sour oxide]

wut wrong with yo dog

[lean cairn]

is there a reason the rashad's heavy does less than its light 1 when hitting headshots

[ornate bone]

you would make a poor innocent creature such as that bleed?

you monster

[spare talon]

then it kills 2 enemies per light attack

[coarse birch]

heavy has half the ADM into maniac on heavy

[ornate bone]

i will try to create a build with a very fast weapon plus maxxed out crit chance, combined with invocation of death and chorus i think it´s possible to have basically infinite chorus and therefore infinite invulnerability/suppression. i think if zealot gets the dueling sword this is gonna be OP

[paper harness]

Weapon kinda badly designed also that damage looks super low

[spare talon]

fucked ADMs

[hard nexus]

paradise gets good mileage out of a lacerate mk6, he heavies spams with it though

[lean cairn]

i got 530 on the other light attacks

[gusty orbit]

It doesn't cleave kill that much, with lacerate everything drops dead, had to learn that long ago seeing a zealot make the map a cemetery, also enemies don't precisely line up their heads in hordes

[spare talon]

they really dropped the ball on rashad maniac damage cuz im pretty sure the values are swapped by accident

[paper harness]

Chorus is not a damage scaler

[ornate bone]

tbh better to have infinite fury or whatever it was because it refills your toughness and allows you to charge foward

[paper harness]

Sad!

[hard nexus]

rashad does more damage to maniac on lights instead of heavies, it’s getting changed in the next patch

[ornate bone]

a what?

[lean cairn]

adm?

[ornate bone]

Air Defense Missile

[hard nexus]

doesn’t increase your damage output

[lean cairn]

i see

[sour oxide]

lol having problems testing it because the crit to get scourge ticking kills the mob outright...

[fleet zealot]

chorus kills your personal dps

[paper harness]

Someone look at kuli’s guide I am too lazy to check the code myself

[sour oxide]

so does teamwork

[ornate bone]

yeah but so what. if my plan works, my team gets almost infinite suppression/invulnerability

[hard nexus]

armor damage modifier

[fleet zealot]

both in not having a damage boost ability (fotf buff is better and doesn't need a tax node for it) and that it literally drops your dps to zero

[paper harness]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3088553235

[lean cairn]

fatshark going beast mode

[ornate bone]

just use fury, lets you charge gunner lines and keep your team safe anyways

[ornate bone]

yeah but it´s a complete lifesaver, with the build i have i get chorus like every 20 seconds or so and save the whole team all the time

[fleet zealot]

well better play in premades then cause lol you are setting yourself up for failure in pubs

[spare talon]

literally looking at the bleed adms for unarmored and infested, youd need to hit an enemy 3 times for the bleed to kill them, and thats assuming you let the entire duration of its DoT run

[sour oxide]

get that science out of here.. we going based off feelings

[fleet zealot]

you don't end up saving the team the whole time,

[ornate bone]

i´m buzzing through auric maelstrom basically every time lmao

[spare talon]

why would you do that vs just hitting them in the head and one shotting them

[hard nexus]

code for what

[paper harness]

Scourge

[hard nexus]

ohg

[lean cairn]

whats the best blessings for knife

[gusty orbit]

People use chorus seriously outside premades or is it now a meme ability for us tryhards?

[paper harness]

I’m not opening the FS GitHub

[hard nexus]

im confused

[ornate bone]

say what you want but my chorus build works so well i don´t even play anything else anymore

[hard nexus]

for what ur looking for

[fleet zealot]

either a team is good enough they don't need chorus and you are just getting carried or a team sucks ass and chorus will just stall the inevitable wipe

[paper harness]

So it does do less damage

[ornate bone]

I don't see too many people using it and personally I just like fury better

[fleet zealot]

i am saying waht i want thanks

[paper harness]

He was right

[hard nexus]

some people can use it well, but to use it well you need to be good damage at the game already

[ornate bone]

go ahead lol. i´m a good player and a valuable contribution to the team with chorus

[paper harness]

Personal damage is the only actual metric that matters

Going to be honest

[hard nexus]

i just had a game with a decent knife chorus zealot, they had 300k to my and cica's 700-800k damage

[fleet zealot]

is it a useless ability? no. but this is a game that you best carry by simply killing threats before they become an issue

[spare talon]

what about it were you ieven looking for

[hard nexus]

but they knew how to use their ability and when

[ornate bone]

i´m gonna keep winning games guys you can tell me it doesn´t work all you want 🤷‍♀️

[paper harness]

Because the 95% of games I win are won because I killed the specialists by myself

[fleet zealot]

how much did that save tho or was it just padding a good team cause it's u and cica

[hard nexus]

damage taken is also vv important, but i get what u mean

[ornate bone]

not saying it doesn't work, saying that other options work better

no need to be defensive

[sour oxide]

ah I see where the diff was @spare talon 2 stacks from scourge roughly ticks of 12 and lacerate applies 4 so ticks of 22 ish

[hard nexus]

cica's internet went out part way through (the 700k damage is an extrapolation) but it was the maelstrom, there were a few spots where the chorus saved it

[sour oxide]

it was a placeebee.

[hard nexus]

or just made an area much easier at least

[ornate bone]

placebo?

[paper harness]

Chorus means you get carried

[sour oxide]

placebo domingo

[ornate bone]

whenever i run anything other than my chorus build i lose more thoughstever

[ornate bone]

doesn't even stun monstrosities anymore sadly

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-real-brainfog-gif-7666610795160025826

me

[median steeple]

It does

[paper harness]

Then you use it as a crutch

[rocky nacelle]

(what if my feelings are combined with science though)

[median steeple]

Every other pulse

[ornate bone]

on the first pulse only though right?

[median steeple]

No

[gusty orbit]

Remember the monster cheese? That was fun for like the 5 days it lasted lol

[fleet zealot]

what dorn said

[sour oxide]

rage science best science

[hard nexus]

it does every other tick/pulse

[rocky nacelle]

true

[median steeple]

Every other pulse and the only boss that can't be stunned is BoN

[ornate bone]

The one some lunatic calls burgle

[ornate bone]

if i discard the crutch and instead drive a car, then how come i´m not faster?

Instead of bonbon

Like God intended

[fleet zealot]

it's a crutch for mid players with their mid pubs. glad u find success with it but I would not have your gameplan = use chorus more, team will contribute the damage

[median steeple]

I almost did

[paper harness]

uhh

[sour oxide]

@ornate bone I love those chips

[rocky nacelle]

precog/uncanny/riposte/lacerate

[hard nexus]

the hell is this supposed to mean

[rocky nacelle]

(executor)

they'd kill me for sayin that 1 tho

[hard nexus]

lacerate is only if you're already good

[sour oxide]

what in tarnation

[median steeple]

I typed burgle and like "that's not right"

[fleet zealot]

executor mk6

[rocky nacelle]

are you saying im good

[paper harness]

Dark tide

[rocky nacelle]

💅

[ornate bone]

it means that if chorus is a crutch and if other options are better than chorus, then i should get all the benefits of chorus plus more. but i´m not

[hard nexus]

yeah you're equal to my skill level

[gusty orbit]

Executor bumps all numbers so it's ok, but never try to defy meta again let it be said

[rocky nacelle]

MC syndrome proc'd

gottem

[sour oxide]

D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Warhammer 40,000 DARKTIDE\shader_cache

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-zoom-persuit-gif-17646381782073725526

[sour oxide]

ur in the steamapps shadercache folder

[hard nexus]

abilities have different uses, and different benefits. They are saying the oppurtunity cost of taking chorus opposed to chastise or shroudfield is not worth it

[paper harness]

oh

[rocky nacelle]

hmm

ill probably darktide later

wanna draw and play inquisitor

[ornate bone]

yes but then i should be doing even better if i don´t use chorus!

but those instead

which i´m not

Aren't you

[paper harness]

You use the piss toughness as a crutch

[fleet zealot]

like idk how to get it through that relying on your pubs to carry you in the damage department you are setting yourself up for failure and the community will not feel sympathy for you if you go on the forums and complain about your team

[hard nexus]

if you arent doing better with chastise or stealth then you're using chorus as a crutch

[gusty orbit]

Sometimes I would love darktide to be a bit more like vermintide where having an specialized gameplay isn't butchering your team

[fleet zealot]

also just skip the damage amp, it's never worth it

[hard nexus]

yeah thats valid

[fleet zealot]

chorus + crit spam kills my dps so hard LMAO

[hard nexus]

real

its kinda fun but

[fleet zealot]

i remember doing it for the penance and it was shocking

[hard nexus]

ur dps drops sooooo hard

[fleet zealot]

halfing my damage for piss toughness

[rocky nacelle]

@acoustic dune here is the beginning of my Krita arc

[ornate bone]

i could turn that around to say "if you aren´t doing better with chorus then you´re using chastise or stealth as a crutch"

[sour oxide]

peak performance

[hard nexus]

no, you literally cannot turn it around to that, as chorus is worse than the other two

[fleet zealot]

neither gives you and your entire team piss toughness and give the heretics the dance bug

[ornate bone]

if it were then i should be doing better with the other two!

[gusty orbit]

On the bright side you have infinite toughness and super high resistance, but giving up damage on a class like zealot is xd

[nimble fiber]

[hard nexus]

then you are using chorus as a crutch

[fleet zealot]

like look at voc

[hard nexus]

chorus is a crutch for players that arent as skilled at the game, as it is a get out of jail free card for you and your team

[fleet zealot]

if you wanna play a support melee hybrid, play voc vet-> weapon spec for the melee boosts

[hard nexus]

i dont mean this to be mean

its just how it is

[paper harness]

you are being carried damage wise by your team and chorus giving piss toughness

[paper harness]

I see stealth the same way for bad positioning 99% of the time

[sour oxide]

save the yellow toughness bars for the command vet with the plasma stealing all your ammo

[fleet zealot]

it's instant max toughness+overtoughness but it doesn't interrupt your dps and it actually knocks enemies down!

[hard nexus]

yeah but at least stealth can actually increase ur damage

[ornate bone]

logically i could say the same in reverse, still

[fleet zealot]

fuckin hell chorus just gives the enemies the wiggles

[rocky nacelle]

ok guys

[paper harness]

vell fuck

[rocky nacelle]

if we're calling anything a crutch

its shroud

[sour oxide]

yeah thats fine

[fleet zealot]

you would if they were even remotely related

[sour oxide]

its gonna error the first time.

[ornate bone]

yippee something went wrong

[rocky nacelle]

but I dont want to re-iterate my stance on shroud for the 3rd time today

[ornate bone]

at least shroud lets you deal damage

[rocky nacelle]

just know its gay

[rocky nacelle]

true

[paper harness]

Time to solo run a 3veg and see

[rocky nacelle]

but shroud still gay

chrous mid

[fleet zealot]

shroud doesn't turn off the game

[rocky nacelle]

chastise is the way

[ornate bone]

what's wrong with being happy?

[rocky nacelle]

turns it off for you

[ornate bone]

if i use chorus and can´t attack but boost my team´s damage by 20%, then i am effectively giving my team a big chunk of my damage output to use

[rocky nacelle]

good luck to the schmuck whos getting your 5 aggro'd bulwarks or crushers

[hard nexus]

logically you can understand that chorus does not have the same level of skill expression as the other two abilities, as all it is, is an AOE stagger and suppression that regens toughness. The other two require you to be proficient in melee and have a good sense of target priority and situational awareness

[rocky nacelle]

xd

[obsidian prairie]

Is this a problem or something

[ornate bone]

Are you an UTTERLY CRACKED gamer?

[hard nexus]

60% damage opposed to 100% from you

[paper harness]

yes

[rocky nacelle]

yes

shroud sucks

[ornate bone]

Nope, being gay is good

[paper harness]

people who use stealth belong in gay baby jail

[sour oxide]

dorn check ur steam messages...im sliding into the dms

[paper harness]

xd

[ornate bone]

I hate shroud but being gay is just fine

[paper harness]

I saw

[gusty orbit]

Should just be like a warrior priest of Sigmar ult and be able to cast it on yourself or others with way more interesting talent branches

[rocky nacelle]

no one said being gay wasnt fine

[fleet zealot]

yes but the 3 people still have to interact and unlike vet stealth (which is Bullshit with that -90% aggro node for 10 seconds) it's very temporary

[rocky nacelle]

stop pushing agendas

lmfao

[obsidian prairie]

Infil is more fun than exe and isn’t VoC

[fleet zealot]

oh i don't use stealth either, fotf for life

[ornate bone]

60% more team damage vs 40% of my own damage

[hard nexus]

that isnt pushing agendas?

[ornate bone]

agendas? you're the one pushing the gay shroud agenda

[paper harness]

just that majority of stealth users belong in gay baby jail

[ornate bone]

although I do like chastise more

[sour oxide]

look everyone here is in agreement knives are the worst weapon in the game. nothing needs to change on them because they are trash.

[fleet zealot]

the only damage that matters is meaningful breakpoints

[rocky nacelle]

cause shroud is shit

its shit its gay

its whatever im gonna call it

cause it sucks

[slate haven]

Gay baby jail mentioned

[rocky nacelle]

if you dont like the words im using to describe it

oh well

[fleet zealot]

and no pubber is going to have a build that hits meaningful breakpoints from your chorus

[hard nexus]

some people dont like gay being used in a negative context, which is why they're saying what they are, its not pushing an agenda

[sour oxide]

when do we get to go to the gay jail?

[ornate bone]

yeah, your words are uninspired, mid if you will

[gusty orbit]

Stealth doesn't work in darktide anyway

[ornate bone]

use more interesting adjectives heathen

it's like you don't even know high gothic

[rocky nacelle]

😴

waste of energy

[obsidian prairie]

I’m just mostly joking

[fleet zealot]

even when you count yourself so the value of "80%" damage, it's not worthwhile cause no one is planning around a 20% damage boost from someone else to do shit

[rocky nacelle]

im going back to playing

[ornate bone]

chorus is clearly the better teamplayer option, it´s a teamwide buff and the whole team can be glad it´s there whenever we get overwhelmed. it´s not just "ur bad and using crutch"

[ornate bone]

discord argument:

[visual stream]

Ehh, tons of ranged and even some melee don't quite fit here

[gusty orbit]

That sounds gay tbh

[obsidian prairie]

I like to poke that statement at people when they call something gay negatively and watch them sputter a little

[visual stream]

I see what you mean though

[sour oxide]

I pruposely run away from group buffs cause im a loner flips emo hair

[fleet zealot]

yes it is, you basically just transform into ultimate activated mercy for the channel duration

[fleet zealot]

and ttks

[sour oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/peewee-bikers-crash-gif-10209587

[paper harness]

Chorus is for players who want to rely on their team

[ornate bone]

when i use it on 10 ragers, a horde of zombies, 4 crushers and 2 maulers, they kinda have no choice but to use that damage boost plus defenseless enemies.

[paper harness]

which is cringe

[hard nexus]

4 people will always be better than 3, as a fourth person can engage more targets, as they have their own area to attack, 20% damage buff can go to waste in some situations as they just cannot engage enough targets to get value out of it

[gusty orbit]

Damn I really sparked a flame here asking for chorus thoughts

[fleet zealot]

what meaningful help does it give?

[paper harness]

right

[hard nexus]

chorus can be fun, its not as good as the other 2, its a get out of jail free card and thats it

[paper harness]

that did not work

[ornate bone]

yeah but it´s not a whole player less.

[paper harness]

so

[hard nexus]

for 7 seconds it is

[sour oxide]

@gusty orbit actively not sending you a christmas card this year for causing this

[hard nexus]

you are not in the fight

[ornate bone]

stuns all enemies and lets us kill them in no time?

[paper harness]

time to go back to sweden and have a convo with fs

[fleet zealot]

doing 20% more damage is nothing if it doesn't give you a BP or lowers the ttk significantly PLUS every build gets +%damage

[ornate bone]

Henry, you need to learn goated melee strats with psyker melee players 💪

[hard nexus]

so does smite

[paper harness]

your team kill them

[ornate bone]

which is a psyker ability

[fleet zealot]

well smite is just melting everything

[hard nexus]

which is also bad

[ornate bone]

yeah i´m supporting my team

[sour oxide]

can't we all just go back to doing what zealots do, go shirtless skin to skin

[gusty orbit]

Hey c'mon I still need a gift card to acquire some MechWarriors dlc 😦

[hard nexus]

kissing, sloppy style, boobs squishing together, etc.

[stone fern]

you can do more with chastise

[ornate bone]

are we seriously going to go "your team support means you´re bad and you´re letting your team play for you"

[paper harness]

I will be honest

[fleet zealot]

this isn't a hero shooter

[hard nexus]

uhh yes actually

[stone fern]

i started out playing chorus on zealot but charge is so muc more fun

[hard nexus]

real

[paper harness]

If you fail without chorus you did not learn how to dodge

[sour oxide]

playing whose in my mouth

[fleet zealot]

there is simply more interactive and better support options, even ogryn taunt is better

[ornate bone]

i can use chorus and let my teammate revive another teammate, something i could never do with anything else as z4ealot

[hard nexus]

what

[ornate bone]

play for your team, charge the gunner line with chastise and kill them all

[paper harness]

this is why smykers are 99% of the time shit

[ornate bone]

well that is clearly utterly wrong

[fleet zealot]

or you can have brainless idiots not pick them up

[paper harness]

It isn't

[stone fern]

use a stun grenade then

[visual stream]

20% more damage is pretty good, I believe FT keystone's Target Down upgrade gives the same amount

[fleet zealot]

or throw a nade

[ornate bone]

I am sadly a smyker because I just want my 30 levels. I don't think I'm shit though

[fleet zealot]

how does % damage sources calculate

[ornate bone]

i can use both and sometimes i´m out of grenades

[hard nexus]

if you are doing worse with chastise or stealth opposed to chorus, then again, you are using chorus as a crutch

[paper harness]

I will speed level you

[gusty orbit]

Melee is an alien concept to them, as well as playing with the monitor on

[ornate bone]

Fellers fellers

[fleet zealot]

i wanna make sure everything is being lined up

[hard nexus]

so hateful of smite psykers you'll speed level him just to prevent another one from forming

[sour oxide]

so chorus = teamwork and teamwork = wasted dps and thus chrous = wasted dps.

[visual stream]

20% more damage (I'm pretty sure) also affects cleave damage, correct me if I'm wrong

[sour oxide]

math checks out.

[stone fern]

https://streamable.com/54c99p
if your team goes down that much then its kinda better to kill threats for them faster

stuns work a lot better

[ornate bone]

Chorus is okay, it's just boring to use because I'm not bathing in blood

[paper harness]

Here is a real example

[hard nexus]

that was redundant, but yes it does effect cleave

[gusty orbit]

Just bring back friendly fire so I can put down smykers

[paper harness]

Chorus user uses chorus

[sour oxide]

I just dont like holding a dog toy while everyone else is fighting

[paper harness]

didn't kill trapper

dies

[ornate bone]

that is an inference from something entirely else.everything i´ve been saying goes even if i were just as good with the others.

[ornate bone]

Perfect shroud backstab the smite psyker

[paper harness]

99% of the playerbase dies because of that

[stone fern]

you can kill stuff thats stunned with grenades you cant do that on chorus

[hard nexus]

no it doesnt. you are losing the ability to deal damage with chorus, when you could deal more with the other 2 abilties

[paper harness]

Backline bitch just isn't effective

[sour oxide]

my personal favorite you think hes gonna hold the dog toy up longer while you get the revive or whatnot but they put it away and you get slammed by crusher or netted by trapper.

[fleet zealot]

honestly convinced fatshark was on to something putting martyrdom and chorus in the same column. martyr doesn't have a viable/good cdr option so you use chorus less which means it doesn't kill your dps as much

[stone fern]

look at the video i posted and tell me whats better in that scenario chorus or chastise

[hard nexus]

being able to snipe out a burster, or a trapper, or dog, can save runs

[ornate bone]

and i am gaining the ability to prevent damage for my entire team and save many situations.

[ornate bone]

i can just use the bolt pistol for that

[hard nexus]

you can prevent damage by killing things

[paper harness]

except the only damage negated is overheads

[hard nexus]

killing is the best form of support

[fleet zealot]

99% of those situations can be solved by you being better at killing things

[paper harness]

which are easy to dodhe

[ornate bone]

Fatshark knew chorus was supposed to be a sparse panic button

[lusty oar]

the real reason you pick chorus is to hear AVAST YE BLAGGARDS

[paper harness]

because if you are taking chip to the point of death from hordes, you do not belong in high diffs

[hard nexus]

true

[stone fern]

give chorus charges and make it only 1 pulse

[sour oxide]

I could see chorus being good for pox gas...thats about it. but there are already 13947239847 green stims anyways

[hard nexus]

stay out of my aurics.

[paper harness]

right

[ornate bone]

if we are completely being overwhelmed then it´ll take some time regardless to kill all the crushers and ragers and everything, i could just chorus and we kill everything together!

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-my-reaction-to-that-information-angry-reaction-wolf-reaction-gif-27080186

[paper harness]

time to pull my user_config

[visual stream]

You're using chorus when you're surrounded, how is tgat not impactful? 😭

[ornate bone]

Chorus could have a dynamic cooldown based on pulses

[sour oxide]

damn still fckd

[fleet zealot]

i mean voc and bubble shield already ruin pox gas as well

[stone fern]

i had a similar argument on reddit unironically

[paper harness]

I can kill a crusher pack in 12 seconds if I am slow

[stone fern]

people bitch about sniper purge and bring chorus there

[sour oxide]

no, the dog toy user needs a job to do! only they get the pox gas glory

[fleet zealot]

also a lot of good player muscle memory is connected the enemy running up on them

[hard nexus]

requires 5 seconds of chorus to get 20% damage, when you could just kill them in those 5 seconds with chastise

[paper harness]

If a player dies to one, it is entirely on them

[stone fern]

either charge the snipers or stealth them

[visual stream]

I don't like chorus and it should probably be changed but I don't understand the random blood moon event where zealot chat calls chorus users slurs xd

[ornate bone]

because it´s a crutch and you´re bad and did you consider just killing everything

Rager pack: shows up
Kid called Zarona headshot:

[paper harness]

yes

[fleet zealot]

excuse me wtf

[sour oxide]

I feel like this conversation warrants spilling out into general chat.

[fleet zealot]

literally no one did this

[paper harness]

This is general chat

[stone fern]

imagine if chorus, smite, tag, and smokes were gameplay youd have more options playing those classes

[hard nexus]

just dont like when people claim that chorus is better than the other 2 abilities, or even equivalent to them

[gusty orbit]

The talent nodes are a bit ehh, weird imo, I've been pretty addicted to vermintide recently and kinda wish we got careers here with actual talents that can change stuff

[hard nexus]

it isnt

if you want to run chorus thats whatever

but its just not that good

cole has arrived

[visual stream]

I obviously didn't mean literally calling slurs

[stone fern]

luv chastise wont ever play any other blitz on zealot

[gusty orbit]

(I know there's careers in vermintide that have 0 variation on talents)

[hard nexus]

huh?? the talent tree is sig

[ornate bone]

I think chorus falls under the main problem with support: people don't build expecting it

[hard nexus]

oh

lmfao

[fleet zealot]

i mean it is literally the old feat system stretched out into a tree

all the zealot preacher stuff is there except now you can mix it with zealot death cultist and zealot banisher

[ornate bone]

I make my entire build to be self-sufficient

[ornate bone]

i NEVER said that

[hard nexus]

you did

lol

[ornate bone]

I literally don't give a rat's arse if I don't have a shout vet with me

[spare talon]

honestly im gonna be devils advocate, chorus isnt that bad of an ability
its just that the other ones are a much more active playstyle that result in me being able to do more in the moment to moment to prevent whatever id use chorus for
the problem isnt that its a bad ability, is purely that its in competition with abilities that end up being better in the moment to moment

[ornate bone]

i said i wanna create a chorus-focused build so we can have infinite suppression/regen

[ornate bone]

.

[sour oxide]

mmmm and the seed is planted

[fleet zealot]

it's not a bad ability, it's a poorly designed ability and gives you bad habits

[hard nexus]

i agree entirely here, chorus is for oh shit moments, chastise and stealth prevent oh shit moments

[visual stream]

I don't use it broby xd

[rotund shoal]

I DID IT

[ornate bone]

Yyyyyyeah, personally I wouldn't support a frequent use of chorus

[rotund shoal]

NOW 1 MILLION

[spare talon]

whenever i have it and am in an oh shit moment, i miss having the other two

[gusty orbit]

Talking mostly from a build variety stand point, it seems that us people that play zealot have little to no variation at all between builds, fury is made one way only and martyr too

[fleet zealot]

grats

[hard nexus]

real

[rocky nacelle]

let me join you

[hard nexus]

reallll!!!

[visual stream]

Was there someone saying it was better?

[sour oxide]

isnt that 500,000 now

[rotund shoal]

yes

[paper harness]

the gang

[visual stream]

I don't think it's equal but my thing is it's not an objectively bad ability

[rotund shoal]

dont know how ppl got 1 million before they lowered it

[rocky nacelle]

@sour oxide the seeds of heresy

have been sewn

[ornate bone]

Buzz Lightyear GIF

[fleet zealot]

i think zealot suffers pretty poorly from what you say and i think we need the next tree adjustment after psyker

[stone fern]

jctv said something similar about smite and also it being useful for disabled gamers i see that

[paper harness]

I am at least at 6 million now

[visual stream]

It pauses the fight, gets everyone's toughness back, sure it's braindead and I don't like it but it's not bad

[hard nexus]

henrietta was saying that they do better with chorus instead of either other ability, and when said that they're using it as a crutch, they said why arent they doing better with the other abilties

not directly saying its better

[stone fern]

but id love an engaging ability instead of chorus

[hard nexus]

but heavily implying it is

[visual stream]

Ah gotcha

[paper harness]

soy jsat

[fleet zealot]

fatshark fixing unlimited smite is ableism /j

[sour oxide]

now who has that repair mission penance. shit took me 3k hours.

[ornate bone]

and then i was confronted with how bad it supposedly is and that i´m probably failing my games

[sour oxide]

those are the real gamers

[hard nexus]

change it to my chant idea pleasepleaseplaesplasepaslepaslespalesapelsapelsaplesaplepaslesaplesaple

[ornate bone]

You know what

[paper harness]

all penance completions

[rotund shoal]

makes sense. took me 750hrs for 1 million.. ure at 3500.. and the first 150 hours is learning

[spare talon]

i did that one before the patch

[ornate bone]

Henry, I'll help you achieve that nonsense

[rotund shoal]

i just mean i dont know how ppl played that much when the game was out only for a few months

[visual stream]

All I saw was chorus slander from people implying it was useless and jumped in

[rocky nacelle]

im still trying to get 100 missions type done for some of them

cause borders

penances

[hard nexus]

same

[rocky nacelle]

I got investigation

dunno what else tho