#zealot-class
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The passive speed buff and better item slotting helped him a lot
Where I went like 26 and 0
I was gonna bring up thanatos
the most main character syndrome jungler
ever
(either I go 15-0 before 10 minutes) or we dont end the game after 15 minutes and now im in hell
thanatos still one of the scariest early gamers
it was great fighting a dog shit thana jungle too
cause they miss scythe and lose the 1v1
Juking the scythe throw=I win bye bye
It's funny seeing them use the stim ability to run away too
Ravana was so annoying
i will never not think the impossibly dry openings to datto videos are overwhelmingly funny
OK i'm done with the moistcritical bit, promise. i really dunno how they manage to launch big news when i'm afk, but man do they nail the timing. today, we're reacting to the articles dropped by bungie about the future of the franchise because that's all i really had the ability to do. bungie lays the groundwork that needs to be done to get the ...
Peak gif
I hope the updates are more like into the light than seasons
if so then I'll play more
but right now
I can't
welcome to Datto gaming, where i give my opinions on things
today, we have all of the opinions, on all of the things
since i just woke up at 4 pm, just now
I was up all night laddering pokemon last night so I can relate
Destiny 2 mentioned
im watching him go over all the d2 articles that dropped cuz idk how to read and im also doing my tfd dailies
icebreaker is returning soon
Bad game mentioned
- is in the darktide discord
at least darktide doesn't just straight up remove entire campaigns
i have an image of a d2 seasonal roadmap and it says "mid" somewhere and it has that circle reference meme and its referencing destiny 2
I'm not gonna fight over whos trash is better little bro
HU HA HU (cc immune +1000 movement speed backflips away from you)
I forgot about ravana
darktide is definitely better but ok
holy shit what a shitty god
The bar is so low I fucking tripped over it
Deerly be loved
I would like to pet this creature.
look at that goob
beeloved
nah i think baldurs gate is better
baldur gate ain't in the bad game competition
since we're comparing games that are barely similar
Mosquito hawks, my beloved.
Bloodsucker
They kill off mosquitoes and other undesirable insects.
Damn James Earl Jones died
They are also wickedly intelligent for what they are.
that is what goes in your burger king lettuce
that is a robber fly
the only good fly
if its a bug and it flies, they will kill it
including themselves
Oh, then it seems I was mistaken.
Still, it kills mosquitoes, and that's good enough for me.
I'd kill all the ticks, not just the tick men but the tick women and tick children too in a personal stabbing and humanity would revere me for the accomplishment
95% of insects could die off and I'd be happy.
I would revel in the genocide of all wasps
Especially those Japanese ones that have like an acidic venom.
That’s a myth
Bread
tiny slice of bread
ecological collapse
that's how we get hive cities or mega cities
give up the weakness of the flesh to eradicate annoying bugs forever
I think the female ticks would thank you if you knew how they reproduce
Shrimply darwinism, they shouldn't have evolved to be annoying if they wanted to deserve to survive
Vent purge/Lights out is only fun when it's also a sniper gauntlet
yes
tknife gallery
also the natural fear of turning a foggy corner into 3 -> 6 -> 8 laser dots homing in on you
I see that and shit my pants.
sliding practice
and Tknife practice

maybe i get immersive evasion mod
(or maybe it would just get annoying cause knife speed)
seems like it be fun though
i like shit like bulletstorm/ultrakill ill probably enjoy it with sliding
@rocky nacelle HAPPY???
and dodging
CAN I GO BACK TO PLAYING ONLY HIGH SHOCK NOW?
i played purge bubble psyker in ranged maelstrom
i feel so disgusted with myself ngl
I started misplaying so bad when I realized how bad I messed up by dropping 
yes
No darktide
Ok but real question
Is martyrdom nutty on the thunder hammer?
I wasn’t really feeling it
Yes.
If you're familiar with crowning a witch in l4d2, you need martyrdom to crown a dh.
Ronaldo winning the FIFA Best Men's Player in 2016.
clad rn
Back to the auric storm survivor grind.
rn im hungry
cursed idea
marty shroudfield TH
real DH 1 shot(crown)
I prefer IJ ( <- has never tried martyrdom)
I shrimply know what I like
Listening to marching through georgia while using the flamer is peak entertainment
Very cursed, but it is possible to 1tap a dh.
for sure
real zealots are criminals in 71 countries so we're almost there
most cursed idea for a zealot build ever though
honestly
I should make another shitty meme guide with shroud marty TH
I only play martyrdom
and say this is how you 1 shot every boss in the game
Cause im a chad
(surely they wont think im trolling)
Don't you need several janky buffs, like backstab damage, purge the unclean, etc, on top of martyr shroudfield?
real zealot build
john zealot
BESTEST MOST POWERFUL HAMMER EVER
Last I remember it being spoken of you needed to backstab headshot a dh with purge the unclean with max thrust stacks, using crucis, an ideal stat dist on it, and all 6 stacks of martyr with shroudfield and perfectionist.
ONE SHOT EVERY BOSS
Yeah literally exactly what I said.
someone almost 1 shotted it with an ironhelm
I don't think you need duellist, though?
no IJ stacks
or anything
lmfao
(UNLESS)
they were on an easy ass difficulty
they posted it in darktide pics
@grizzled aspen #darktide-pics-vids message
With thunder hammer, I don't think you need any of the nodes on the left, there.
You could definitely go grab sustained assault and maybe ewew.
im sure with marty stacks unyielding damage + crucis special dmg + backstab + weakspot hit
it gets it done
Yeah that had to have been on an easy ass difficulty, unless the combat stim has some weird interaction with thammer special.
how crazy
stand corrected it is doing numbers like that
im still gonna try my setup in psykh without dmg stimm though
tbh we should have some silly stimm blessings
like apply all stimm effects on taking a stimm but half duration
there was something in vermintide 2 that did that but I forgot the name
How does power convert to damage? Is there any set formula for it?
go into twins damnation have 4 TH users pop bubble
profit
I wish the flamer was a venting weapon like the drakefire stuff from vermintide
gonna have to summon some number nerds for that
That would be dumb and super unbalanced.
only the omnisiah knows
the tech priests at fatshark just say the right incantations and praises
You'd basically be giving zealouts free infinite ammo, even on no ammo maels.
That’s why I said I wish
hmm today we will make purgatus staff for zealot
Keep wishing, then.
Silly idea.
Zealouts are already cracked in melee, don't need them to have infinite ammo on top of that.
Especially not with purge the unclean and how easily you can cook a boss.
My flamer is like 76%+ in every stat but mobility and, with only overpressure and purge the unclean affecting boss damage, one mag takes 1/3 to 1/2 of the hp off, depending on how much of the tank I hit them directly with. (cspawn likes to run away from me)
Scuse me, not overpressure, I meant blaze away.
I've got overpressure on it but it's bugged atm so it doesn't count.
<@&735928989146939404> Is this against rules or out of bounds
love that they needed to clarify that
the second one today
go to hell and then suffer
wtf when is my turn?
double whammy
I'm more confused than anything
going to hell isn't enough, you might enjoy that
Im going to hell and partying
I can’t even find them on the server list but mobile sucks ass
Did something prompt this or did someone have a particularly shit morning
Lamo their pronouns
Uh its prob better if you paint the name/pfp with a black marker
Mmm seems well adjusted
I have no idea I haven't interacted with this person xd
What in the god damn
Fair enough, mb
They have k/y/s as their pronouns what the fuck
What a peculiar creature...
This is peak mental issues
obviously stands for "Keep Yourself Safe"
they joined the server just today too
truly amazing specimen
Missed that one
why, what is it
now i want to play
@grizzled aspen had to be lower difficulty
(even shroudfield 5 stacks marty+crucis+dmg stimm+special+weakspot)
half HP
Monstrous specialists, the torrent, water supply mission.
Pox gas.
The only other person in the lobby I joined was a psyker and she wasn't doing anything productive.
moral support
actually i think i don´t want to play after all because for some reason i´ve been losing 90% of my games today. no idea why, doesn´t happen a lot anymore
Imagine using brain burst and not targeting elites.
couldn't be me
Like please explode the gunners that are currently ripping me a new one.
It's too satisfying not to, how can people use it for anything else
@ancient juniper Oi snivler, explain this random dm, you will have to cuz you already got repported to 2 warddens anyway 
oh frog
@grizzled aspen also reminds me that video I told you about with the person almost 1 shotting it
its definitely an old video
because shroud didnt aggro the DH
but the point still stands it was probably lower difficulty anyway
A most dreadful transformation
Supposed to post with the names and stuff blacked out, the real screenshot goes to wardens dm
oh idk how to blackout names
yep frog
even with duellist
I can only do 65%
on a weakspot crucis with marty etc
and dmg stimm
this has been a fun science experiment
well wont matter anyway, hope he enjoyed his short stay
open it in paint and draw over it
or some image editing software
i just like paint
huffs fumes
You can do it if you click on the win shift s popup
what’d they say
You sound like you do whippets no offense
You can’t even spell 😭
yknow what that's fair
Mogged by Meow of all people...
aww there we go! i’m so proud of you
And for spelling, no less...
Lucky star pfp in 2024
some middle school loser that thinks being edgy is funny
i feel like im missing a context 
i don’t know either
frogscast is my number 1 hater
he haaaaates me
LMAO
did yeh stole his rashuns ?
Either middle schooler or someone who should be arrested if they are within 500 feet of a middle school
50/50
“haha yeah this guy is probably 12 years old! what a loser!” says the 13 year old
you smell
wait
and you're 14
i thought
outswagged
yall hear something
well i have seen what i needed
i’d kick ur ass in mw2 little bro
Downvote
cya shouties, be safe and dont get pancaked by crushers !
byeee
I don’t even know why I’m here
:(
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looking to punch snivellers?
i love that post sm
it’s peak
You can’t tell me what to do
Wait do you have the one about heckin disrespectin sex workers
yeah
Hug is having a bad day and stupid people always bring a smile
i think he was smited
Flesh.. even..
@ancient juniper
lmfao
@ancient juniper
bros ashamed of liking murder drones
me too
Can’t even spell a slur right
Why didn’t wardens ban this guy yet
Pedo ass PFP
banish this 6 year old
@ancient juniper
free him
dammit
i was just gonna keep periodically pinging him
@ancient juniper Be normal please.
water drop torture method
someone else got him already lol
he’s gone!
damn it
Oh they’re gone
too slow on the draw
Meh
Lmfao
fastest ban in the west
RIP
I was gonna tag them again
i would have done it faster
wat i miss
kill steal 
Nothing, it’s just a Monday
big stuff xD
8 year old saying the f slur, telling people to kill themselves
lucky star pfp 13 year old telling everyone to kys and shut up
guys don't spam ping or witch hunt, but ye i banned em if they are throwing insults in DMs
with no actually funny insults
So yeah nothing new
just boring kys
I would never do that
phrasing O.o
I am so respectful
they deleted a few messages saying the f slur, dms were posted earlier of them telling someone to kill themselves
so
My guess is they can see the audit
deleted msgs here in this chat?
i don’t think they can see messages that someone has deleted
Preach, sister.
Oh then idk
they can see messages that the auto mod catches
Hater numero uno.
yeah
we can if it was here
Frogscast is my number 1 shouty
it was spelt incorrectly though
then they deleted it
most mod bots can log self deletec messages iirc
yes : )
it’s so over for me
yeah dming insults is cringe guys, if you do it youre a loser
i'm a looser so watch your step
@lusty turtleanyway thx sah !
charge rate
warp flurry
left click god staff
cowardice
Imagine dnd and you have to fight a dire hippo
i'll duck and dive right into that dire hippussy
feel bad
Dire-oppotamus
Perish, heretic.
now that its fully out
is space marine 2 worth it solely for the pve gameplay as someone who doesnt really care too much about 40k itself
for 60 bucks
Fuck did I miss
a cringe 13 yo who things edge alone is funny
edging
should've spent more time at the aim trainer
in my opinion, no
the pve right now is pretty barebones
if you liked gears of war
yes
never played gow
if you like hack and slash types of games
you’ll probably like sm2
meh not comparable
hack and slash games to me are like DMC and Bayonetta/Ninja Gaiden
SM definitely isnt in depth enough for that
but its in depth enough to be compared to GoW
imo
(third person action shooter etc)
variety of power weapons/secondaries/primaries but nothing crazy
I DID IT
Sm is like a mix of gears and God of War
Lmfao
Awesome post
good way to look at it yea
Sm was made by the team that did god of war 1 funny enough
one of the most complicated common sprite animations for a character in aai2 is a character eating and swallowing notepad paper
just wanted yall to know
Yah
The GoW is best comparison
W heavy hack and slash elements
But not purely hack and slash

no pouting
Button masher..
Origin of the term button masher..
Play third strike or super turbo u savage..,
I do play third strike...
I also play heritage to the future and some other fighters...
HotF is so peak..
It is...
I want a burger now
I just fucking love captain commando assist...
I love having a third of my screen being zoned...
Is it 2 or 3 where u can combo a character before they jump in
Cuz they have an active hurtbox off screen
As they jump in
I have encountered quite possibly the worst shield ogryn ever.
He would plant his shield directly on top of someone who was downed while I am channeling chorus.
standing in front of everyone and just being a wall and only that?
Yeah, basically.
Like I get it if you want to be a tank but this guy was just playing really, really badly.
He looked a trapper dead in the face and planted his shield.
I had to tell him, "hey buddy, while I'm pulsing with the Emperor's light, you should probably pick up the veteran that is currently bleeding to death."
But in the heat of the moment I just said "PICK UP" and spammed ping on the downed guy.
we need inspired aced but tied to your mic volume
That match was saved by a shroudfield zealout.
Monstrous specialists and she was running IJ shroudfield and just thammering heads left and right.
I literally got grabbed by a cspawn on purpose so she would get an easy line up for a 1tap.
IM TONKING
TONK TONK TONK
you should have cheesed it and played thammer like me
match was so chill we were shitposting
@lusty oar ur a real1
Lemmie get y’all’s best thunder hammer builds
no i'm just a figment of your imagination
just be right where it spawns
smh my head
Cole, another monstrous specialists mael is up. You wanna join?
imagine not knowing every single special spawn
or enemy spawn point
ever
noobass
this dude wants to be in the convo so bad
That's the people that have all the spidey sense notis on.
yeah crucis support hammer. thunderous + thunderstrike + weak spot damage
i think thats the inverse
imagine not simply predicting the future and knowing where everything WILL spawn from
where is the no stun thing?
This is zealout chat, we do NOT chill in this hoe.
lights out chasm logistratum tho
thats gonna not end well
like last run
Yes.
lights out monsters on chasm logistratum
Not really bad, last time the ogryn was just dogshit.
let me in
you just stun them first
If we get a team together it'll be fine.
What servers do you play on Para?
i think every build u ever posted is a troll
US east
Nice.
pretty sure anyway
Go ahead and add me, then.
but every game ive played has been us east anywhere else so
sounds like someone doesn't use perfume
You can't do a man like that...
sua
That's really mean...
whatever the thing assholes use
a douche?
dior sauvage
thank you backup very cool
Lmfao
Never
@rocky nacelle do you have ass or do you just not wear it
Dont need 2 be a peoplez 2 be a fanz
This is real life chud reddit gets the dev
Smh..
U just got slam doinked..
remember when you wanted psyker nerfed?
WELL youre gonna pray for the days to gcome back to that level of op
They aren’t people, so we won’t go to jail if we uh, recreate 33.2976° N,
44.0818° E and throw them in there
We make them fill out SF-86s for the rest of time
Thinking about subbing slaughterer for thrust and weak spot for Unyeilding
Would that be the play?
ye thats the best you can do
When I can increase this bad boy up to 380 she’s gonna be a bute
RAAHH PUBBERS MAKE ME HATE THIS GAME
i just did a normal auric
this auric storm survivor joined and at the very end he decided to split off from the group
then he got downed
and he rage quit
that encounter reminded me why i shouldn't care about titles
a real player
well you can cheat the title
i have it equipped too but it´s really just for myself because i assume everyone thinks i cheated it anyway
i got saved mordaciously on two runs and i cheesed the fuck out of 2 runs
it doesnt mean anything
I just dont wear it
i wear no titles at all actually
nomad works better for zealot anyways
Orthus champion insignia is the only true “status” symbol in this game
the basic orthus insignia with the two hanging ballsacks is the best
Nah most people don’t have it
Maybe 1% players?
Update… I have indeed been sleeping on the crusher. Thing is fun as hell.
its great
it means they either have two monitors or enough brain function to remember the puzzle
either way very good
GUYS, should i pick the indignatus III shock maul, the agni Mkia shock maul, or the indignatus Mkiv crusher?
crusher
Crusher with Slaughterer/Skullcrusher next update is going to be huge
Crusher or mk3 shock maul
the one with looping overhead heavies
guess i'm part of the 1% 
US servers are laggy as hell
💪 🆗 👍
I had to clutch against 2 BoNs at 4 hp (max corruption)
why were there 2 BoNs
at the perfect time
so aids
with so many trappers
yea that was aids
im still baffled how i was at 0 toughness almost immediately after casting voc
and i wasnt even hit almost at all
did u and para duo
then i have to fight 5 ragers in a corridor back to back to back
whenever i killed the last one, another one showed up
when i was rushing to try to rez frog
ultimately why i wasnt backpedaling
👊 🔪 👊 🔪
at which point
near the end or in the tunnel
in the train
what maelstrom was it
it was right after the trapper hell
then BoN took me on a joyride across the map while MY ENTIRE TEAM IS DYING
aiii logistratum

what’s that
ah
Chasm logistratum (5 ammo crate at end)
BoN is coded to run away when it eats someone
logistratum is the hardest map
no i hate you rn
WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA
pookie i’m sorry…..

Yes you should
what can i do to make it up….
Might even find m
so you can give back shots
It also has like the 2nd worst plasteel payout of all maps
nothing, you will never be worthy
bruh it GOES UP LEDGES
Actually no maybe it’s the worst plasteel payout lol
it’s okay i can go without colon three for a day
ok
i can still do this though
Dogs with food in their mouth 
sounds like skill issue
thats why playing maelstrom is bad
do you wanna 4 man with us
yah sure
@hard nexus the goal is to get frog ass
easiest games i’m ever gonna play lmfao
oh alright
me and cole just dog walking the entire front part of the map
i’ll run my mk2 evis
just rolled this, am i set?
we can just blitz through it
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
U need skullcrusher on it
without skullcrusher, that’s pretty bad
fuuuuck
sorry pookz dorn just joined randomly @hard nexus
we can play later
no
😀
i hate u now
ok
we’re over
several thousand dollars gone because you were stingy with two dollars worth of glue and screws
is that rashad gaming
heavy sword
yes
oh
was put in 2 different clutch situations
I wish I liked the axes
I really do
I want to like them
heavy sword's fun if a lil simplistic
but axes are just so...
Well, Achlys axe is underperforming
Strong, yea
Antax can stagger mutant as well
Maybe achlys next patch will be interesting but I still wish they’d tweak its moveset
Well I like the angle of the lights
Let’s make it Asian or Chinese
I'm also not biased towards Achlys because it was the first 370+ axe I got
i like the antax
that twitter account was insane
Bro got doxed as well and posted himself with "How I'd look like if I was black or asian"
tried very hard to get skullcrusher IV but i´m all out of plasteel now, and i can´t change the crit chance mod either. should i just go back to my chainsword or can i use this....
save it for itemization
Weird question
Normal answer
What if slanesh
Based
Also
Should I take disdain or sustained assault on T-ham
what is so weird about it
W martyrdom
???
Ey okri
lol I've got half a mind to double perk it
since DB1 and DB4 are uh
ten percent of ten percent~~ of my damage ~~in their overall damage output difference
7.5% weak spot damage
heh good I love it
My suggestion as as heavy sword meatrider
Lemme see your tree so far and also check what the two do
Wait nah disdain is more damage on next attack depending on how many you hit and SA is more damage for every heavy right?
Sounds good
Yes
I go both, especially for ironhelm
smoothest monsterous logistratum in the history of darktide
real
they didnt throw nearly as many bosses
compared to last time
lame !
Pogryn is the most fun boss to fight
cause you can get 4 people to 1v1 4 different pogryns if they know what they're doing
1 point left
i love fighting the easiest boss in the game
but he has an invisible mouth force field (while swinging in front of him)
mogging plogryn just makes my day better
its right there
I could just drop the node
fighting chaos spawn is just annoying with a group
Martyr's purpose 
it's fun to fight solo
And pick up a different perk
Back to dying irl
monster hunter effect
aggro everywhere
unironically NOT a bad choice
you get cdr when you need it the most
what you don't like being grabbed and hit by a hitbox thats larger than the model
shocking lack of bleed for the emperor
🗣️ 🔥 ⁉️
Martyrs and disdain then?
I dont mind chaos spawn grab cause 95% of the time im not hit by it
but it is annoying
when I do get grabbed
I stand by martyrs purpose
from 10 feet away
If you absolutely have to only take one or the other, do sustained assault
cause I backdodged
Hammer uses lots of heavies so it directly buffing from heavies is more consistent value
I don’t, I could just take disdain and martyrs purpose. What’s your recommendation? I can drop the node to grab 2
wdym
@spare talon infinite loading screen.
I’m sick
ggz dorn
Don't take martyr's purpose unless you really want it 
Lmao
It's the worst CDR in the game I think
so what do I take bro
MARTYRS PURPOSE IS OKAY
SA
what are the other options tho?
Ty
just casually 1 shotting muties and shit
Mhm mhm
Literally anything
this knife with chastise is sex
oh dude
ive clutched a game before while literally coughing the entire time
was a normal heresy so it wasnt hard but oh my god, while youre literally having a violent coughing fit? insane
take sustained assault
I don’t like to move slow
did anything even remotely annoying spawn over there
or was it just ragers
and walkers
Which hammer are you using?
plus with everyone else on the other half, the majority of spawns were on our side
do you guys ever accidentally jump when dodge dancing?
maelstrom btw
wait
true enough
cuz i have them bound to different keys
Games hard idk what you're talking about
@slate haven are you using that on thammer?
I have 2 dodge keys, jump on c and slide on space
Crucis, the one I posted earlier. It’s a 330 buts it’s got 80% dmg, 80% first target, and 60 pen. It’s gonna be a beast when the update comes out.
It’s headtaker 4, flak 4, Unyielding 4, thrust TBD
my jump/vault is mouse 5
oh wait
mouse 4
mouse 5 is special
X is my blitz
and I have normal spacebar dodge
disdain or sustained assault are your two options for the last point imo
i have pretty normal keybind layout
And what ranged weapon are you using?
i could try a new layout
20% increase damage on damage in any situation
or up to 25% damage depending on targets hit every OTHER swing
i'm just so used to default setting
I personally don't run anoint and the unyielding talents but that's personal choice on if you wanna sacrifice other stuff for more boss and ranged damage
hey man dont at me i have both
plasma would have just destroyed this
but db is cooler
TBD. Either the Zaza Corona (zarona) or a flamer ig
I hate dark
did you clip any of the last match
I would go zarona for your anti-crusher needs
with the fucked up bursters and BoN spam
i didnt
F
Unless you're saving this build for September 26th when flamer becomes braindead again 
You can see me walk right up next to you at about 26 seconds and dome that burster from 10ft away.
i still have aaic open so it was recording that
but i swapped over
yeah i did
lmao
The only part of lights out that I like is maxed dh spawns
When the thunder hammer comes out I think the extra unyeild will matter more. Also, responding to what you just said, I don’t think I’ll need the zarona for the crusher killing bc I’m waiting till the 26th to use the build
scares people shitless
lmfao
Did you see me almost wake one up in the tunnel?
I basically stepped on the bitch lmao.
Ahh okay the anoint and unclean picks make more sense now
Thunder hammer rework*
I nearly intentionally shot it because of that
not trying to glaze but i love watching your clips
i did
Should be set then 
i was spam pinging trying to find her to tell you STOP WALKING OVER THERE
Awesome dude ty for the help : D
but she was against the wall, not on the floor
