zealot-class

[hard nexus]

that’s not a brick

[stone fern]

thrust 3

[hard nexus]

eh

not amazing but it’s only 15% power

[stone fern]

crafting update will fix it

im glad i kept it after all these years(months) 👴

[carmine wolf]

Can you buff the yellow stats with the new update?

[stone fern]

yes

but its randomly generated

[carmine wolf]

how so?

is there a chance trying to buff it makes it worse?

or do you just reroll it

[stone fern]

as far as we know

each weapon has a 380 potential

[carmine wolf]

Aye

[stone fern]

look at this axe

[visual stream]

Each stat is still only a maximum of 80%, no?

[carmine wolf]

is it going to be the same as just buying stuff till you get 380?

[stone fern]

if i boost it to 380 itll be max but i cant decide where the one point will go

until the update

[carmine wolf]

oh

[stone fern]

sorry not know

decide

[carmine wolf]

Does that mean I won't get to buff this 1?

[stone fern]

its decided by the game

nope 380 is the max

[carmine wolf]

cause it's already at 380?

well shit

Glad I didn't sell the other hammers then

[stone fern]

but stuff like this is gonna be great now

since i fix the mobility and maybe get 2 pen points

[carmine wolf]

it will just add onto whatever modifier is under 80% right?

[stone fern]

ye

[carmine wolf]

won't touch the ones already at 80

[stone fern]

yeah

[carmine wolf]

thank the emperor

[stone fern]

its a free buff essentially

[carmine wolf]

I happen to know a few hammers that will like the new update

[spare talon]

i cant tell if they improved IoD or made it worse for weapons i like

[visual stream]

Maybeee better?

I think better

[spare talon]

probably better for dclaw but worse for knife

[visual stream]

Good

[spare talon]

but dclaw already kinda had a fastish attack speed

[frosty herald]

i found the screenshot dude

[spare talon]

and now theres no way to prioritize getting ability back

[visual stream]

My guess is it's better now, considering 1 second of regen per second versus... 2.75 seconds of regen per second?

For 4 seconds

That's pretty nice

[spare talon]

i also dont know if its 175% cooldown speed

or if its +175%

[visual stream]

Could be interpreting the number wrong

[spare talon]

if its +175%, that would be huge

if its 175%, thats worse in every way

[rocky nacelle]

i dont want to post my hammers because they are so close to greatness

and it annoys me

everytime

[visual stream]

A great leap of faith between awesome and dogshit

[visual stream]

I would like to assume awesome

[carmine wolf]

convert to crusis

[rocky nacelle]

crusher kills those ragers in 5 seconds

🛌

[spare talon]

also

[rocky nacelle]

sucks to be a TH user

[spare talon]

they fucking

[rocky nacelle]

until update

[spare talon]

gave crusher

slaughterer

what isyugffghgers wehbfuds hfvujwsd

WHY

THEY SIMPLY MADE IT BETTER

AND IT WAS ALREADY GOATED

[rocky nacelle]

because I memed it into existence

[carmine wolf]

I trade in the extra 13 seconds for being able to 1 shot daemonhosts and assert heretic dominance

[spare talon]

i already loved it but now its just going to fuck even harder

[rocky nacelle]

I said give crusher power blessings and thrust

and it happened

[misty mason]

lol

[spare talon]

also josho is going to crumple remaking the crusher guide

[frosty herald]

honestly the patchnotes are hilarious

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/coping-harder-coping-harder-cope-harder-cope-more-gif-22767890

[spare talon]

i have 0 interest in giving it thrust

[rocky nacelle]

TH users when they 1 shot the DH but cant 1 shot anything else

[spare talon]

i think it has the exact same situation as shock maul

[misty mason]

Get sick of SM2 being so buggy and servers so bed. Go to bed hoping they patch it, they dont, log in this morning "Cant access servers, please re-verify your game files."

[rocky nacelle]

well guess what buddy

it got thrust anyway

[spare talon]

it attacks fast enough and has an overhead only combo so its just more single target dps to just swing again

[rocky nacelle]

im going to see how ridiculously high

[spare talon]

also

[rocky nacelle]

a special thrust 4 H1 is damage wise

[spare talon]

what is balance?

[misty mason]

But on the plus side, Zealots eating good

[frosty herald]

Also, a small amount of cleave was added to the Heavy activated attacks, meaning that the swing will be able to go through at least one lesser enemy.

crucis now has a very small activation cleave

[visual stream]

I'm glad they buffed zealot ranged nodes so that me running recon will be a lot less of a meme when I do it

[spare talon]

that remains to be seen with exactly what the percent is doing on IoD tbh

[zealous basin]

guys wby am i like this

[rocky nacelle]

crucis getting an overhead for better single target killing and reduced stun

[zealous basin]

what the

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-zombies-cod-zombies-shadowman-revelations-gif-21498229

[spare talon]

all of the changes are pretty minimal in comparison

[visual stream]

And then inevitably realize it's probably bad when it's not on vet/psyker

[misty mason]

Weapon wise at least

[gleaming hawk]

You've hated knife zealots, get ready for-

[misty mason]

I thought it was very funny that rashad got buffed, not nerfed

[gleaming hawk]

I don't think Rashad deserves a nerf

[visual stream]

I'm pleased the plasma gun got a buff though. It needed it.

[carmine wolf]

I can 2 shot tho

[spare talon]

WAIT

@visual stream

IT SAYS +

[rocky nacelle]

stop sending me shit i already know about

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao

[spare talon]

i was looking at the ogryn BLO tree to compare

[visual stream]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

[carmine wolf]

why is it so bad then?

[spare talon]

so

i was looking at the ogryn tree to compare

and i was like, thats weird, i couldve sworn it was 3x cooldown

then i noticed it was a plus

double checked patchnotes

we are so back

veteran lmao

[misty mason]

Oh holy shit bladed momentum on hsword

[spare talon]

they gave flamers and purgatus staves RENDING BLESSINGS

[misty mason]

50% rend on Hsword in hordes, yeah sure why not

[spare talon]

hsword vet for groups
plasma for bosses and armor
WS for never reloadin

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

its so overpowered

[misty mason]

Ooh crit to reload flamer blessing is interesting

Hope you're enjoying my live reactions

[spare talon]

its more just a big fuck you button to the big guys tbh

[gleaming hawk]

wat part of that is Rashad and what part of that is everything else there tho

[hard nexus]

i love shock trooper

[gleaming hawk]

and that's also not that crazy compared to some of the other shenanigans you can get up to

[ripe heron]

Combat axes are ridiculous.

[frosty herald]

dueling sword zealot wil be so weird to see

[carmine wolf]

Are you not a fan of herr Saltzpyre

[gleaming hawk]

now do that in an actual battle where they're not all stacked on top of each other so BM has a harder time triggering, lol

[ornate bone]

perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[misty mason]

Oh woof Energy Leakage for plasma, +20% power at near full overheat is redonk

[hard nexus]

it still procs constantly, even if you aren’t getting the full 4 per swing, you’re killing 2-3 per swing

[gleaming hawk]

That doesn't fix trajectory

[gleaming hawk]

yes

2-3 per swing not that great with a full horde coming at you

[hard nexus]

yeah it is lol

[fleet zealot]

It isn’t the best chaff clear in the game but it scales into bruisers

[rocky nacelle]

is the guy who tells people to supress with void at enemie's feets

[hard nexus]

(except deathblow heavysword)

[rocky nacelle]

talking about rashad

being ok

[gleaming hawk]

I can kill 2-3 per swing on most weapons other than a knife, wtf you mean

[rocky nacelle]

lmfao

[hard nexus]

wait is that him

[rocky nacelle]

yes

[hard nexus]

ohh it is

yeah

[rocky nacelle]

bro advocating for rashad

crazy

[hard nexus]

makes sense actually lmfao

[fleet zealot]

Chsword example absolutely shreds chaff but add in bruisers and it slows down dramatically

[hard nexus]

bruisers? no you can’t

[gleaming hawk]

I'm talking about trash, not bruisers

[fleet zealot]

Fuckin martyr rashad wont even care about ragers

[fleet zealot]

Mixed hordes are still hordes

And should be considered

[hard nexus]

yeah trash disappears to 70% of melee weapons, mixed hordes are the threat

[ripe heron]

Rashad is chopping gunners.

[ornate bone]

can't, legally not allowed to imagine anything since october 7th 2003

[fleet zealot]

Shotgunners

[spare talon]

so can the hsword
but the hsword cant deal with armor nearly as well, but the rashad does it with ease
the hsword cant deal with bosses as well, but the rashad does it with ease

[misty mason]

Illisi eating good

[spare talon]

its the fact that it does literally everything piss easy with 0 investment

[fleet zealot]

Illisi also benefits from the new smite submode

[hard nexus]

rashad does literally everything, the only weakness it has is that you can’t mindlessly swing, you have to push attack every now and against for stagger against large swarms

even that isn’t that big of an issue

[fleet zealot]

Tho idk how good it would be

[red swift]

Heavy attack unyielding and Carapace, light attack everything else

[gleaming hawk]

And I don't think the hsword is that good, but literally everyone here and their mother is always crying for nerfs for every single thing in existence above average and it's stupid

[fleet zealot]

But all heavy attacks electrocute and damage enemies for a duration

[gleaming hawk]

Especially when the things below average can be bringing the average down a lot harder

[hard nexus]

rashad isn’t above average, it’s overpowered

[fleet zealot]

Crying for nerfs lol discussing balance

Never nerf, always buff

[red swift]

There are things better than rashad. Rashad is just easy to use

Look at Deimos

holy

[gleaming hawk]

This

[fleet zealot]

Left click left click left click

[hard nexus]

this guy a while ago was saying that shooting at your feet/enemy feet is a viable strategy with a voidstrike

[misty mason]

Oh thank fuck

[fleet zealot]

Deimos h2

[hard nexus]

instead of just

killing the shooters

[gleaming hawk]

You can assume what you like but you're wrong.

[visual stream]

You are saying deimos is easier than the simplest weapon in the game?

[fleet zealot]

Oh okay so ignore the fool

[red swift]

I'm saying it's better

[visual stream]

Bait detected

[hard nexus]

yeah

[fleet zealot]

No deimos is strong asf

It’s more complex

[misty mason]

Waiiiiit what the fuck

[visual stream]

I'm not saying it isn't

Thought he was saying it was easier

[fleet zealot]

He wasnt

[misty mason]

Is this not worse

[spare talon]

deimos actually requires you to think a little bit, and it has much worse group clear

[hard nexus]

oh i completely overlooked that, that’s actually pretty cool

[hard nexus]

it’s

sidegrade

makes slower weapons more viable

[fleet zealot]

It’s the best solution

[gleaming hawk]

Stop peddling lies

[north sedge]

That's better for slow weapons

[red swift]

Deimos has absurdly good dodges and basically twice the damage of the other blaze swords.

[hard nexus]

it universalizes it

[fleet zealot]

It makes all crit builds equal on cdr

[hard nexus]

peddling* and you literally were lmfao

[visual stream]

+175% cd, meaning every second you are regenerating 2.75s or something, for four seconds

[rocky nacelle]

ok

[fleet zealot]

So no more stupid balance fuck ups

[spare talon]

it basically gives any crit build 2.75x cooldown

[fleet zealot]

It def needs a nerf tho lmao but ill take it

[spare talon]

ability every 12.5 seconds

[visual stream]

Which, for chastise's 30 second cooldown, that's pretty good I think

[hard nexus]

crit hammer is back on the menu!

[red swift]

I just hope they revamp talent trees for all classes like they did psyker

[misty mason]

I guess

[red swift]

Most talents they changed for zealot won't change build paths

[gleaming hawk]

I said you can use voidstrike to suppress spreadout shooters in a pinch, yes. That's wildly different from 'suppression void is viable strategy' with no context

[misty mason]

I do like that it resolves the slow/fast disparity

[spare talon]

very few things in the game dont refresh

[fleet zealot]

Im pretty sure it refreshes itself

[spare talon]

the BLO CDR one works similary and refreshes

[hard nexus]

i don’t want to get back into that whole discussion but long story short

you were saying that in a pinch you could fire at their feet. In literally no situation is this better than just m1 them to death

[rocky nacelle]

accidentally made deadpool in inquisitor martyr

kino

[hard nexus]

and that is that

[hard nexus]

peak

[rocky nacelle]

it is

love that game

[rocky nacelle]

me and a homeboy went from level 10-11

to 40

[hard nexus]

what is this sticker

[gleaming hawk]

Well you can't m1 if you die, and you will die to a bunch of spreadout shooters quicker than you can m1

[rocky nacelle]

today

[fleet zealot]

You are psyker

You have EE and/or shield with void staff

[hard nexus]

someone else can argue you on this, i really just do not care atp, you haven’t been willing to even consider you were wrong

[fleet zealot]

You never take elite damage with a void build

[hard nexus]

erm i do

i’m just cool like that

https://tenor.com/view/im-nothing-like-yall-nothing-like-yall-im-nothing-like-yall-fish-fish-meme-gif-7279072448778168854

[fleet zealot]

Yea but cica

Have you considered

[ornate bone]

I can argue, what are we arguing about

[hard nexus]

i am not cica

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sadhotgirl-sadhotgirls-gif-24811889

[gleaming hawk]

Yes, you could do those things. I'm not saying you can't have those tools in other situations.

[hard nexus]

i’m not cica!!!!

[fleet zealot]

Oh my bad

[gleaming hawk]

But that's not the situation being talked about

[hard nexus]

LMAO

[fleet zealot]

I canmt tell anyone apart im on a new medication

[hard nexus]

our pfp’s are from the same show

[rocky nacelle]

way to mis name someone bandit

🙄

ban

[misty nova]

(Psst, void has one of the highest suppression value in the game
You don't even need to graze them)

[visual stream]

What is the context of this

[gleaming hawk]

hi pot, I'm kettle

[hard nexus]

deadvoid, scroll up, i summarized it

[hard nexus]

“hehe i used a metaphor so i am right!”

[ornate bone]

the context is that john romero is about to make you his bitch

[gleaming hawk]

"hehe I can't argue so I'm right!"

[fleet zealot]

Hideo kojima did a collab with hololive’s pekora and recently her own mother got a vtuber model and started doing stuff and she was also a part of the collab

[ornate bone]

"teehee I can do this too guys!"

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[fleet zealot]

The one in the middle is pekomomma

[gleaming hawk]

"The God Emperor is a psyker"

[spare talon]

everyone around has given valid arguments and youve latched onto the person who has said "yeah im not gonna bother"

[visual stream]

HIDEO GOT GAAAAAME

[spare talon]

and ignored all of the other things

[hard nexus]

you see by appropriating my opponent’s argument and using it against them, i don’t have to think i could possibly be wrong!

[spare talon]

such as

[visual stream]

He deserves it after the MGSV bs

[hard nexus]

god i fucking love zealot chat

[gleaming hawk]

He's the only one with the full context, everyone else is arguing against a position that doesn't exist

[fleet zealot]

Torso shots can miss

[ornate bone]

zealot chat our beloved

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/zerosgifs-gif-20855209

[hard nexus]

this is actually really funny

[ornate bone]

we should have an official anthem for zealot chat

[gleaming hawk]

That literally proves my point

[ornate bone]

maybe the clown song

[fleet zealot]

You gotta go i think i remember you’ve been here before

And it always ends the same

You never win you just get jumped

[rocky nacelle]

notice how no one in soyker chat

agreed

with aiming at the feet

with void

to supress

but thats just me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gleaming hawk]

This is true, it's always more people just dogpiling and not reading

[spare talon]

a world on fire by bo burnham

[hard nexus]

do u guys think if he knew i was a girl he’d pull the

[gleaming hawk]

I never said it's bad

See

[fleet zealot]

Peak victimizing oneself

[stone fern]

I aim at feet

[gleaming hawk]

Nobody can read

[still quartz]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOO

[rocky nacelle]

you're just a degenerate

[carmine wolf]

Most impressive.

[hard nexus]

zealot chat wouldn’t exist without it

[still quartz]

I can live out my Saltzpyre dreams

My poor Psyker no longer has a reason to be played

[gleaming hawk]

It ain't victimizing if it's true

[rocky nacelle]

girls smell

[spare talon]

WHAT THE FUCK IS BALANCE???

[still quartz]

WHO CARES, COLE

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-sulek-girl-gym-gif-14191698433463407663

[still quartz]

WITCH HUNTIN'

[visual stream]

I just got here I did not read anything and I think you're wrong

[still quartz]

FINNA SLAY A RAT THING

[stone fern]

darktide balance team be like

[red swift]

False, Sam Sulek can't run that fast

[hard nexus]

lmfao

[fleet zealot]

Oh yea taxes and dueling swords are getting a blessing that increases weakspot damage and refreshes all dodges on weakspot hit

[visual stream]

(I have no actual opinion on this)

[fleet zealot]

Somehow knife didn’t get agile

[rocky nacelle]

he just injected his legs

hes fast now

[gleaming hawk]

Sounds about right, can you take a number? There's a queue

[fleet zealot]

But honestly

[plucky gate]

what is happening?

[rocky nacelle]

wait now that I think about it

I dont think I read shit about knife

in patch notes

[hard nexus]

absolutely but it adds precedent of terrible takes

[stone fern]

thrust weakspot dodge lets fucking gooo

[hard nexus]

yeah it wasn’t changed

[fleet zealot]

Aiming voidstrike at feet

[still quartz]

I think it depends on playstyle, I personally would still run Uncanny Strike + Precog / Riposte

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-triple-h-head-nod-nodding-approved-gif-13272682

awesome fat shark

cool

[hard nexus]

anyway

[stone fern]

rashad very bad pls buff

[visual stream]

No clue but I don't feel like reading through for my last 7 minutes of break

[hard nexus]

how are all you swaglings

[still quartz]

However if your build literally does not care for either Precog / Riposte, the Dodge Reset on Weakspot Hit sounds really good

[hard nexus]

i think i should play darktide

[ornate bone]

rashad too good, please give all its stats to thammer

[vapid sun]

LUL

[ornate bone]

you should play Noita

[visual stream]

GREAT, a little sad that Darktide died yesterday but good otherwise

[stone fern]

pl buff rashad and thammer thanks

[rocky nacelle]

i want to play darktide cause i been playing martyr today

[hard nexus]

i suck at it though

[rocky nacelle]

but

[fleet zealot]

Infinite dodge zealot with good balance and second wind

[ornate bone]

that's the point

[rocky nacelle]

im probably going to ultra

[fleet zealot]

Just shimmy across the whole map

[hard nexus]

the player count seemed to not get hit that bad tbh

[fleet zealot]

It’s on hit lol

[ornate bone]

you'll eventually not suck at it

[fleet zealot]

Why is it not on kill at least

[hard nexus]

problem: i am also stupid and making wands is hard

[stone fern]

hell yeah now increase its carapace adm to 7

[fleet zealot]

It’s such a stupid blessing even if it isn’t the best choice lma

[ornate bone]

simply attach saws to your wand

[hard nexus]

punch staggers bosses

[visual stream]

Reminder

[ornate bone]

the saw spell will kill you nine times out of ten but its funny

[fleet zealot]

Crusher back to sss+ tier

Yipee

[stone fern]

Yes make it stagger bosses on special

[hard nexus]

i want a power sabre

[fleet zealot]

Crusher might take thrust but im going slaughter scrusher first

[hard nexus]

i’ve died to a that a lot

[gleaming hawk]

but the memes

[stone fern]

force blaze swords would have worked better with thrust

[visual stream]

Still no IJ changes even though that would've helped helm hammer smh my head

[stone fern]

wait

does uncanny work on fire nades?

[fleet zealot]

Fire nade is not a inflicted dot tho

It’s an aoe

[stone fern]

crusher packs aint got a snowballs chance in hell

[fleet zealot]

Does inflict burn stacks

Just wanting to remind people cauee om autistic

[hard nexus]

doesn’t it inflict burn?

[fleet zealot]

No

[hard nexus]

hrm

i feel like that’s not right

[fleet zealot]

It just adds the burn vfx but no stacks

[hard nexus]

but you could be right

[rocky nacelle]

[fleet zealot]

It’s just a ground dot

[spare talon]

is no one gonna mention that these blessings are fucking insane

[rocky nacelle]

cole

[fleet zealot]

We already did

[rocky nacelle]

you're late

noob

[fleet zealot]

60% rending for flamers

[hard nexus]

sry ur late and washed

[fleet zealot]

Like at this point im just numb and traumatized

[hard nexus]

the topic is over

die

[spare talon]

ive seen everyone talk about literally everything else

every single thing except this

[fleet zealot]

Should’ve seen this morning when people saw the change and some defended it

Cause flamer was “trash”

[rocky nacelle]

dont worry

dorn talked about it enough

for all of us

[fleet zealot]

Oh and purge got it too

Purge may cap at 15/16 depending on crit but it goes up to 31 with talents

So purge can get even more rending lol

[visual stream]

Flamer when when when left click and and left click and left click

[gloomy badge]

Rending on flamer...

[rocky nacelle]

shoulda gave crit to flamer like Warp Nexus, so I can combine it with the Rending flames talent

[fleet zealot]

Yea but crushers and such still forced you to use melee sometimes

[rocky nacelle]

🕵️

[visual stream]

And nothing doesn't die to left click

Need more buff

No showstopper buffs is sad

[stone fern]

i hope the rending on flamer/purge survives until the update

[gloomy badge]

Im confused why fatshark thinks flamer needs buff

[stone fern]

i wanna see how disgusting it gets

[visual stream]

Them making new blessings that are STILL only affecting stats is sad

[hard nexus]

reddit

[fleet zealot]

Yep lmao

[rocky nacelle]

T4 rending fire should be like 30%

[fleet zealot]

Flamer duelist is the meta now

[rocky nacelle]

jk

20%

[gloomy badge]

Always do the opposite of what redditors tell you

[stone fern]

like i said 4 times
THIS IS REAL LIFE CHUD REDDIT GETS THE DEV TEAM

[gloomy badge]

They are bug people

[fleet zealot]

Rn it caps out at 15 stacks so *4 you get 60% rending lol

[hard nexus]

LMFAO

[gleaming hawk]

The flamethrower duelist shall rise

[fleet zealot]

The new playtesters were all redditors and forum members

[rocky nacelle]

yup I knew it

darktide update killed darktide

[visual stream]

Where is Crab

[gloomy badge]

Not to mention invocation buff

[stone fern]

dorn almsot died reading the notes

[hard nexus]

it got a buff?

oh

[rocky nacelle]

it got unnerfed

[hard nexus]

invocation

not chorus

oops

sry

ignore me!!

[rocky nacelle]

i already do

[fleet zealot]

Who were going “omg the game balance is controlled by an elite private discord group”

[hard nexus]

siiiiiiiigh

[stone fern]

frfr i need a foul mouthed darktide youtuber to read the patch notes for me

[gloomy badge]

Fatshark buffing talents but not the actual worthless ability lol

[fleet zealot]

Ill take that if it gets nerf later

Cause now it’s equalized

[gleaming hawk]

tbf, way easier to find feedback on reddit than try to use Discord's search function 💀

[hard nexus]

and then they fucked it up stupendously the moment they get it

[fleet zealot]

Between weapon types

[hard nexus]

real

[fleet zealot]

Martyr’s purpose still exists

[hard nexus]

crit hammer calls my name

[fleet zealot]

Same game as invocation

Lol

[gloomy badge]

Rending on every weapon now

I'm sick

[rocky nacelle]

rending Tknives

[spare talon]

purgatus staff also got it so that means i can literally use purg on my scriers build for scab elite groups

[gloomy badge]

Pubs are going to be pure brainrot for 6 months

[visual stream]

Martyr's Purpose is an intentional game design choice to ensure that players find other parts of the tree actually attractive

[rocky nacelle]

not to mention in conjunction with the new soyker talents

[visual stream]

That's my copium

[rocky nacelle]

you should keep reading

[hard nexus]

it needs to be 1 health to like 5% CDR, 1% is too much

[fleet zealot]

Also martyrdom is stronk

[spare talon]

i read them but i already forgot them

[rocky nacelle]

just know they're broken asf

[spare talon]

i read the patch notes like an hour ago

[rocky nacelle]

you cant nuke yourself in scriers

[gloomy badge]

Fatshark actually wants darktife to be a walking sim

[fleet zealot]

It needs a number nerf but works on toughness

[rocky nacelle]

you can nuke yourself but not go down and just get corrupted

[spare talon]

yeah i audibly said what the fuck

[hard nexus]

yeah or that

[fleet zealot]

Like a sizeable number nerf so you can’t infinitely sustain toughness

[rocky nacelle]

soyker got some stupid fucking new talents

its crazy

very strong

[gloomy badge]

I legit wonder if they play the game

[visual stream]

I wonder how much the unnuke-corruption talent is actually going to help

[rocky nacelle]

no

[fleet zealot]

Have it give more value if it’s your taking damage

[hard nexus]

can’t wait to babysit psykers first game in auric as they blow up 5 times

[rocky nacelle]

ever since I first started playing mobas venuz, ive had this same view stance on game devs

(they dont play their own fucking game)

[fleet zealot]

I think it’s too many cooks+ fatshark is afraid of the community nerf responses

[gloomy badge]

Walktide

[rocky nacelle]

HD2 dont play their own game on level 9-10

[stone fern]

unironically fuck cdr make martys purpose do something else

[hard nexus]

ehh, usually on marty if you take one wound, you’re taking like 3 wounds of damage, at least for me (overheads or nets)

[rocky nacelle]

darktide is malice central

lmfao

[gloomy badge]

Fix spawns and nerf the op shit and game is fun

[obsidian prairie]

What’s our opinions on the patch 7 hours later

[gloomy badge]

Bad

[fleet zealot]

They expanded the playtesting team for this update but that may be part of the reason

[rocky nacelle]

nerf rending on flamer/purg

[hard nexus]

thunder hammer good everything else bad

[fleet zealot]

Patch 13 on crack

[stone fern]

its based give everything rending

[hard nexus]

put me in the play testing group please i can fix this

[obsidian prairie]

I asked soon after I finished reading them

[rocky nacelle]

that still wont help you get ASS

[stone fern]

make stun grenades give rending too

[obsidian prairie]

But I want to see what’s changed

[stone fern]

I WILL STEAL YOUR ASS (title)

[rocky nacelle]

now they just need

to fix auric spawns

since players are getting too broken

[hard nexus]

azreal disagrees with us. kill him.

[rocky nacelle]

(also make super damnation)

[gloomy badge]

Hold w and the director has a stroke

[obsidian prairie]

Why in the flaming fuck did them buff Rashad, power sword, dueling sword, and plasma

[rocky nacelle]

more or less

[obsidian prairie]

Like

[stone fern]

what if instead of damnation it was called freaknation

[obsidian prairie]

What

[stone fern]

and

nvm

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-store-venom-gif-23928586

[lusty oar]

noooo keep cooking

[stone fern]

maybe they were working on t6 and accidentally leaked it

[fleet zealot]

Im going to enjoy it but pray it doesn’t last

[obsidian prairie]

Also we have hotshot lasguns now for the people who complain

[gloomy badge]

It will

[gleaming hawk]

I would like them to fix all desync and lag over balance issues tbh. I'm sure they've been working tirelessly on that. Right guys? ...right?

[obsidian prairie]

It’s just a shitty helbore blessing

[rocky nacelle]

cant hear you suppressing feet with void

💣

[fleet zealot]

Desync will never be completely fixed

It’s the fault of the engine not the servers, as is most connection issues

[hard nexus]

evil

[lusty oar]

nuh uh you just do
if (desync == true):
don't

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ryuji-goda-yakuza-kiwami2-ryu-ga-gotoku-gif-23275663

nu uh

[gleaming hawk]

This is the only game I play where it happens. There is absolutely a way to fix it, the question is just how much they have to tear out first.

[fleet zealot]

The engine and network code is old and held together with hopes and prayers. While the servers are actually advanced and pretty good “on their own” it just ends up being communication failure

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-fallout-new-vegas-funny-looping-gif-9366309982747640076

[gleaming hawk]

This game isn't old enough to have old netcode.

[spare talon]

@rocky nacelle i mustve missed this one
ciag gunker is feasting

[fleet zealot]

It’s running the same engine as vt2 lol

And vt2 engine wasn’t new either

[rocky nacelle]

ok I missed that one too

thats fucking insane

[gleaming hawk]

That sounds like a Fatshark problem

[spare talon]

what the actual fuck man

[rocky nacelle]

risk of rain 2 update = breaks game

darktide update = breaks game

🤔

[hard nexus]

sm2 sucks that’s why

[fleet zealot]

Like sorry to say but lol while you are right that it sucks and it should be fixed, you are vastly underestimating how hard it is to fix

[gloomy badge]

Refunding it as soon as I get home

[fleet zealot]

Next game is going on a new engine so hopefully it will be better off

[gleaming hawk]

I'm not, I'm a commercial dev. I'm not saying it'd be easy, I'm just complaining that it's not fixed like a good consumer.

[gleaming hawk]

Next game? Do they actually have anything out about that?

[fleet zealot]

Unreal engine 5, only people working on it are concept artists and new hires specifically for ue5

That’s it

[visual stream]

Geto is literally me

[gleaming hawk]

Here's hoping it's good.

[fleet zealot]

Well no matter how it launches, it will be good eventually

[gleaming hawk]

Fatshark always arrives at the right answer after trying every other avenue available 🙏

[frosty herald]

Bruh

[misty mason]

Yeah I think im done with SM2 until they patch it - it is so fucked haha

[misty mason]

Had to alt F4 out of 3 of the last 4 games

[visual stream]

What's wrong with it?

[misty mason]

Mostly just connection issues at the moment

Which is to be expected

[visual stream]

Ahh gotcha

[misty mason]

I think i've tried like 8 times to do the co op PvE and only succsefully played it once, every other time I had to alt f4

[visual stream]

Story seems to work great for the time being thankfully

[ornate bone]

I've had an infinite loading screen or two and crash

[visual stream]

Oh, guess I'm lucky

[ornate bone]

been lucky so far

[visual stream]

I had one that looked like it was gonna be infinite for a few minutes but wasn't

[ornate bone]

haven't had any issues with campaign though so that's good

[misty mason]

Yeah I tried playing single player and it locked up immediately after needing to alt f4 from co op so I kind of just gave up on PvE

Managed to play one game of PvP then it locked up again

[obsidian prairie]

Saw that guy

Died inside

[fleet zealot]

It needed it

[obsidian prairie]

Or they are being sarcastic

Hopefully

[fleet zealot]

This is the average darktide player

Plasma needed buffs smh

[obsidian prairie]

Throwing bricks at you

[fleet zealot]

We taught this monkey median player balance philosophies and it killed itself

Shredder in the fucking dirt

6 feet under

Worse than all the autoguns

[fleet zealot]

On both pages too

Perfectly balanced weapon

https://tenor.com/view/smile-smirk-try-not-to-laugh-gif-20026966

[spare talon]

like im glad that some weapons now have actual choices in ther builds, like purgatus staves now being able to choose between nexus for crit stacks or BA for raw damage

cuz we know pen flame is a must lock now so thats the blessing options youd be debating lmao

plus agile is a really interesting option and i can totally see it being used

also thrust on duelling sword is just simply funny

[obsidian prairie]

Wouldn’t it let it one shot crushers without tree

[spare talon]

possibly

[obsidian prairie]

Also fixed Overpressure

Woo hoo

[spare talon]

but they made a better blessing for it anyway

OOPS!

[obsidian prairie]

The amount of variety on flamer now is really cool

Power when near full + crit load

Full power

Power and rending

[spare talon]

they literally made a BiS blessing so now you only have 1 option for your blessing choice which is damage on trigger hold, damage on ammo count, or crit reload

the rending one is just simply BiS there is no debate

[obsidian prairie]

Either way, welcome back FotF flamer

You’re baseline now

[spare talon]

unironically its going to be so hard to choose for psyker
rending purgatus staff or infinite ciag scriers

[fleet zealot]

Rending is always bis on the flamer/purge

[spare talon]

for my gunker melee build

[fleet zealot]

It’s not even close

[frosty herald]

Dont forget melee psyker

[ornate bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k

[obsidian prairie]

Lawb scriers

Quell your entire bar every shell

(Manstopper true aim is balanced)

[visual stream]

I remember seeing this

We should make a version of ESL specifically for elephants

They would go so hard

FUCK I know what my life dream is now

[ornate bone]

average onion news network watcher

[visual stream]

I didn't say I believed it xd

[acoustic dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLHqnn1ZkAM

[ornate bone]

you don't believe it? wtf do you believe then? those phonies at fox news or cnn?

[acoustic dune]

I FUCKIN LOVE GREAT APES

[ornate bone]

the onion is the only reliable news source in these troubling times

[visual stream]

I believe Hustlers University like a good sigma male

[acoustic dune]

wtf do you mean

[visual stream]

Is that still active?

[ornate bone]

ah ok makes sense

[acoustic dune]

they always were great source

[visual stream]

I haven't heard anything about it in a while

[ornate bone]

well yeah but back then before these troubling times there used to be other reliable news sources

I think

anyways now they're the only reliable news source

[acoustic dune]

ermm???? like what?

tell me a company with more research then the onion?

[ornate bone]

idk maybe IGN didn't suck in like 2005 or something

[ornate bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7J7UjsRqg also don't forget the classic "Multiple Stab Wounds May Be Harmful To Monkeys"

[acoustic dune]

so true so true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgowBLb4sKw @ornate bone

[stone fern]

me

[acoustic dune]

wouldnt giving the zealot psycher power

be too powerful?

[spare talon]

thrust precog duellist duelling sword
one shot god to the head

[stone fern]

give thammer poer cycler

give crusher rending on stagger

[acoustic dune]

give thammer a auto special activation

on each crit

[stone fern]

give evi lacerate

[spare talon]

they did

[stone fern]

wait what

lmao

[spare talon]

tho crusher will honestly do better whith SC slaught tbh

it already does decent armor damage

[stone fern]

and here i was putting hammerblow on bricks so the crafting update fixes them

[stone fern]

HAMMERBLOW when i could put thrust opportunist

[obsidian ore]

Can't see why people are complaining. We got some powerful tools to play with.

[spare talon]

i think people are complaining cuz the good got better and the bad stayed the same

[stone fern]

ill play purge in ur games and lets see who complains

[gleaming hawk]

Do it, plz. I beg of you.

[obsidian ore]

Yeah, I'm down to see you play purg after the update. Should be fun

But honestly, I agree. The bad weapons should've been given priority.

[spare talon]

i personally am excited cuz the new blessing pools will definitely revitalize weapons enjoyment for me

crusher with slaught is insane

purg and flamer with rending is insane

[gleaming hawk]

I mean they did buff some bad weapons iirc

[spare talon]

4% peril quell on non warp crit is insane

[obsidian ore]

recon psyker

[spare talon]

ciag psyker too

[placid fiber]

Well, guys, it's at least getting cooler over here

[obsidian ore]

ciag is already oging to be insane

I just wanna see how much I can edge scriers with recon lmao

[spare talon]

yeah but now its even more so with literal infinite scriers

tho they did say these patch notes arent final

[gleaming hawk]

They're looking for our reactions and going to get rid of anything we like

[obsidian ore]

It's better that they did this honestly, this is a good approach from a development standpoint

[spare talon]

i honestly really hope specifically deathblow gets nerfed
like bromentum is the only thing keeping axes afloat so idk how i feal about that
but i really wanna use headtaker and the rending hsword talent without feeling like im gimping myself

[visual stream]

LMAO

[obsidian ore]

I ain't complaining about the patch though. I wish they touched the bad weapons a bit more, but it looks exciting af. I'm hyped to play crusher after the update

[spare talon]

so true

[obsidian ore]

also

ds4 zealot

[visual stream]

Shredder is good one time
never happens again
Psword is BiS all but one time
They are pushing it toward BiS again

[spare talon]

also the IoD thing is looking pretty nice

[placid fiber]

Wait... what the hell? They are giving other classes weapons?

[spare talon]

tuned down a little for knife, but brought up for every other weapon

[stone fern]

ye

[spare talon]

12.5 second ability cooldown for shroud and fotf

consistently

[final forge]

ima try dueling sword when it comes out just cus

[obsidian ore]

I was thinking they'd reduce the mobility of the knife instead of nerfing the move speed talent but it is what it is

also tell me

[spare talon]

the dev note for it is insane to me

[obsidian ore]

how the fuck did uncanny survive this patch

[stone fern]

my brother its all uncanny now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1279540642480918528/ezgif-4-fbb732c0d4.jpg?ex=66dcb995&is=66db6815&hm=241038526a4560f15819f27330ddab702cdd2b2a3b07c8f5c925d3ccfdcc55b3&

[spare talon]

this isnt the final patch notes they said

[obsidian ore]

we will see

I wanna see just how much damage we can pull off with ds4 zealot

[spare talon]

this is probably the most incorrect statement ive ever seen a dev note

[obsidian ore]

lmao

[spare talon]

i literally tell people that the second half of the talent doesnt matter, its just for the sprint speed

cuz sliding exists

now i dont even think the talent is worth it period

[placid fiber]

Wait holy fuck, brautos are getting inspiring barrage?!

[obsidian ore]

my bro

[obsidian prairie]

I have had p4g intro stuck in my head all day

[obsidian ore]

the effect was already working

when you had sprint

[spare talon]

it gets so much more insane

[obsidian ore]

stamina

[spare talon]

SO much more insane

[obsidian ore]

the talent is.. very meh now

[spare talon]

literally all it does is when you dont have stamina

[obsidian ore]

yes

[spare talon]

which sliding also works when you dont have stamina

which defeats the point of it

[obsidian ore]

the cdr is better anyways

i'd path thorugh right

[spare talon]

exactly

on every weapon

[obsidian ore]

yes

cutting out straight %20 cd is insane

[spare talon]

very often youll nick someone and itll consider it a backstab

[paper harness]

Power creep

[obsidian ore]

here's a healthy way of dealing with power creep

you make a good collection of weapons, try to make everything viable

if the game's current difficulty becomes too easy, you make a diff 6

this way all weapons feel good to use, enemies get harder tho

[undone pewter]

This whole thing in my mind is kinda going the difficulty 6 direction.
Regardless of that there's a lot of rending in this patch I hope they reconsider some of it

[obsidian ore]

i'd say

they should stick around with max diff 5 for a bit more

[paper harness]

They won’t make diff 6

[spare talon]

oh i am grateful for the parry change
but the lack of any blessing changes of adms for dclaw is

[tropic pelican]

Try to make everything viable is a pretty massive step to gloss over

[paper harness]

Enjoy

[placid fiber]

and then you'll straight up swing at their back and not get one...

[obsidian ore]

another patch for bad weapons, and tuning down real overperforming weapons

then make diff 6

[paper harness]

They refuse to make the game harder

[north sedge]

The engine can't take a diff 6

[paper harness]

Consoles can’t push it

[placid fiber]

our pcs probably can't either

[north sedge]

Creaking at the hinges for auric as is

[visual stream]

Guys let's keep in mind they said this isn't the full list of patch notes, meaning we're getting the knife and revo buffs when the update drops

[spare talon]

the main point is that its a talent that is one of the two on the path to a keystone, and its much better than 5% sprint speed

[obsidian ore]

you're probably right about that

game's not hard as it is though, what should be the approach then

[tropic pelican]

They should instead combine all the duplicate enemies they would've spawned into one super enemy with all of their combined stats

[placid fiber]

Well yeah

[obsidian ore]

just tuning down all things good isn't a good idea either. People leave when they can't use their favourite weapons

check helldivers for an example

[spare talon]

if they buff enemy hp, certain weapons are going to fall behind again, like with what happened to thammer

theres too many things to consider when changing enemy health

[paper harness]

Weapons that are s tier do not need buffs

[visual stream]

You can lower numbers without making it unusable/too niche like HD2 did

[paper harness]

And that’s half of the patch

[visual stream]

You can absolutely nerf things and they will still be perfectly fun

[placid fiber]

Padding enemies doesn't solve the issues of overpowered weapons... it just hurts less overall powerful ones

[visual stream]

Helldiver devs were weirdly insistent that you MUST have a PERFECT comp for the items you brought to be usable xd

That turned me off

[obsidian ore]

gotta make more things viable for that so you can tune down after. I believe this patch they tried to use that approach to have more viable weapons overall (kinda failed considering not many bad weapons actually got buffed). I think with a second patch if they iron out the extreme outliers it will be overall great

[paper harness]

They can’t implement diff 6 because the same thing will happen, whiny piss babies will complain x underperforms and x gets massively over buffed

[opaque temple]

i see the best meta weps getting buffed lol

[vestal pine]

finally

some update

[gleaming hawk]

I didn't see a voidstrike/plasma buff 👀

[obsidian ore]

makes no sense why they didn't try buffing more of the underpowered weapons we have that's for sure

[lusty oar]

you finally got your recon

[opaque temple]

psyker overall is getting buffs tho

[visual stream]

Plasma got new blessings that seem like debatable upgrades

[paper harness]

At least HD devs can clear their heresy

[vestal pine]

fuck yes

[obsidian prairie]

Plasma got massively fucking buffed, 4 unique blessings

[paper harness]

The last dev I played with underperformed in malice

[obsidian ore]

also yes, plasma is gonna be god tier still

[placid fiber]

At least recon fits the zealot better than the kantrael lasgun...

[visual stream]

Oh yeah I agree with that approach, I thought you were advocating for no nerfs ever lol

[spare talon]

these are all amazing blessings

[vestal pine]

blessing that buffs raw damage for every heat buildup

[twilit willow]

I started playing again and the innvocation of death nerf makes me really sad so i swapped to flamer support

[undone pewter]

Helldiver devs pretty imfamously play difficulty 4

[obsidian ore]

oh no definitely not. having no nerfs is never a good thing honestly

[vestal pine]

power blast feels like a meme unless it stacks 3 times like thrust tbh

[paper harness]

Greene, the dark tide developer died six times in one malice game

[obsidian prairie]

Crit CDR is still good

[obsidian ore]

sigma behaviour

[obsidian prairie]

Just not 24/7 chastise

[vestal pine]

arguing about gamedevs not playing highest difficulty is bogus anyway

[placid fiber]

I mean at least it was malice, and not uprising...

[spare talon]

in the next update they are tweaking invocation again to be a +175% cooldown reduction buff for 4 seconds
realistically that means that with high crit chance, your ability will come back in 12.5 or 22.5 seconds, depending on which ability you have

[vestal pine]

i assume noone in ubisoft does this

[spare talon]

plus flamer is only getting better

[paper harness]

Game devs have reduced spawn rate twice this year lmao

[vestal pine]

finally 2handed

[vestal pine]

that rending got me in the mood

[twilit willow]

oooo sounds fun im excited for the weapon re workd thing

[paper harness]

No op weapon nerfs to compensate, instead they buff them

[obsidian ore]

But yeah I'd love to get some type of difficulty 6, game's pretty stale with diff 5 for me

[vestal pine]

i dont really see a vet nerf

but eh

[paper harness]

Buffed lmao

[twilit willow]

i just hope the flamer gets a bit of help i love throwing it at difficulty 5 and being yelled at that im not using chastise to insta kill bosses lmao

[vestal pine]

zealot not dead™️

[spare talon]

public queue into normal board heresy
its very fun i shit you not

[vestal pine]

fucking called it

[paper harness]

Psyker buffed lmao

[vestal pine]

time to kashoot myself

[obsidian ore]

you guys remember elite resistance? Honestly it was real fun, I wonder why they ditched the idea

[placid fiber]

zealot?

[vestal pine]

he was also buffed

[obsidian ore]

sounds like actual torture

[paper harness]

Zealot buffs unneeded

[twilit willow]

it makes me kinda sad that the boltor and the flamer are like mid at best

[placid fiber]

Woundgryn?

[vestal pine]

but remember me whining about zealot being dead cause he was nerfed and vet/psyker wasnt

[placid fiber]

[gleaming hawk]

oh shiz I'm blind

[paper harness]

The flamer isn’t mid

Lmao

That’s the behavior that made them create a more cancer meta

[twilit willow]

then maybe i just dunno what im doing lmao uwu

[obsidian prairie]

W/ Manstopper lawb + True aim

[obsidian ore]

remember when we were talking about flamer not being underpowered but people thinking it was would cause it to get a massive buff lmao

[vestal pine]

flamer is nothing but mid lol

[obsidian prairie]

Quell entire bars with one shell

[twilit willow]

i dunno what happened?{ what was the "cancer meta"?

[placid fiber]

Flamer is mid in the wrong hands... but EVERYTHING IS AT THAT POINT

[spare talon]

if youre steamrolling auric youll steamroll normal heresy even with terrible teammates, but it puts most of the weight of the gameplay on you
which tbh is more fun than everyone solving issues before they happen in auric, the game is most fun when its chaotic

[vestal pine]

the new psykr tree feels like i can actually make melee psyker

[paper harness]

It’s now plasma 2.0 with a rending blessing

[vestal pine]

"we have melta at home"

[paper harness]

Surely a completely balanced changed

[obsidian ore]

i just go do true solos at that point man, I guess the randomness of the teammates are harder to manage lmao

[twilit willow]

is that a blessing in the game rn?

[paper harness]

It will be

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah its called Dbarrel weapon spec

[twilit willow]

oh where is it whens it added?

[paper harness]

I will exclusively be playing duos or solos

No more pubs

[vestal pine]

i wanna argue about "zealot is still dead" but then i see that exact blessing and shut my mouth

[undone pewter]

It should be added on the 26th if they don't change it before then

[spare talon]

flamer has always been amazing

[paper harness]

Game is dead for me tbh

[spare talon]

its just the 2 things it cant obliterate is crushers and bosses

[vestal pine]

dbarrel shroudfield also works

also perfectionist buff is nice

[paper harness]

One blessing on two weapons so ultra cancer that it shows fs doesn’t even play or watch people play the game

[spare talon]

and with the next update, it can obliterate crushers and deal with bosses much better

cuz of course it would

[vestal pine]

i think its gonna be in forever beaindead state at this point

also what blessing combo?

flamer seemed fucked up

[twilit willow]

i dunno what blessings are on that and is stealth really the way with flamer?

[vestal pine]

as in broken

[obsidian prairie]

I think slow wield is fine

[twilit willow]

whats tyhis blessing do that everyones talking about where can i see it?

[obsidian prairie]

Its an extremely powerful CC tool

[vestal pine]

#📢news-bulletin

[obsidian prairie]

And you don't exactly weave it in melee

[spare talon]

stealth has nothing to do with flamer, the stealth is for my knife
the flamer is to compensate for the knifes below average group clear

[undone pewter]

Penetrating flame

[visual stream]

I love being the problem solver as long as the ONE time I'm disabled all match, I am assisted

[paper harness]

I am sorry but a weapon like the flamer being able to also kill crushers is a shit idea

[obsidian prairie]

Its either in your back pocket or running on full blast

[visual stream]

Give me bad teammates who care about their team and I'm in heaven

[paper harness]

It already kills everything else

[vestal pine]

didnt they exactly nerf this

[modern lintel]

I might actually play zeal again when dueling sword

[twilit willow]

whats rending do?

i love everlasting flame oh god

[obsidian prairie]

Armor peirce

[paper harness]

…

[placid fiber]

increases damage to everything besides unarmored and infested

[spare talon]

think of it as a buff that ignores a percent of armor

[vestal pine]

at least before the gimmick was that you needed to ult 2 times
now its m1 what the fuck

[paper harness]

Yeah this is exactly what I meant in that review

[grizzled aspen]

Counterargument, they are literally sealed in a giant suit of metal. I'm pretty sure that it's practically turning their armor into a pressure cooker.

[twilit willow]

dang bro didnt know people could play casually and ask questions and learn

its like why im here or smthn

[vestal pine]

hes crybaby dw

[grizzled aspen]

Dorn is just like that. Don't mind him.

[twilit willow]

ah gotcha

[paper harness]

The devs are rebalancing the entire game to suit people that don’t play

[placid fiber]

^

[paper harness]

Be gone shit player

[grizzled aspen]

Cope harder.

[twilit willow]

imma block em

[grizzled aspen]

"Muh balance."

[vestal pine]

get fucked zealot still dead cause vet got buffed lmao

[spare talon]

i do think the rending is way too much for the flamer but it will be fun nonetheless

[placid fiber]

idc how much they buffed vet, randos still find a way to disappoint

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah its just like

[twilit willow]

i see so like.. what would you pair it with ya think? the everlasting flame

[visual stream]

My thing is that I hope the bolter is taken out of mid-ville with these buffs for cara (it will be mid for life)

[vestal pine]

fucking fortknight default dance over my grave

[twilit willow]

i keep getting showstopper thahah

[modern lintel]

Gaming

[obsidian prairie]

"FotF Flamer is permanent now, have fun"

[spare talon]

you wont need to worry about that when the update drops, that system is changing with this coming update

[vestal pine]

i cant even make zealot dead argument no2 vause some braindead fuck made this actual

[obsidian prairie]

I would stick rending with a power blessing like Blaze Away or Overpressue

[spare talon]

to a mastery progression system

[grizzled aspen]

Piety and also have blaze away, you can probably effectively have infinite ammo with an unholy amount of power stacked on top.

[twilit willow]

oki oki

[grizzled aspen]

Overpressure still doesn't work.

[vestal pine]

i think everlasting flame is just reload from ammo

[twilit willow]

im so excited hehehehe

[spare talon]

not blaze away when the rending talent exists

[placid fiber]

puff puff pass

[obsidian prairie]

They're fixing it

[paper harness]

Isn’t it incredible

[twilit willow]

do you think i could use it in a support build like with pulse? or whatever its called the middle skill?

[spare talon]

damage just kills things it already kills faster, but the rending kills the things it struggles the most with MUCH faster

[vestal pine]

just use blaze away and rending

[grizzled aspen]

Are they, though? Or will they just bug it again?

[obsidian prairie]

Best support is killing everything that poses a problem

[twilit willow]

also should i just save my plasteel and shit until the update?

[paper harness]

Can also do it with the purg staff

[vestal pine]

its fatshark

[placid fiber]

^

[grizzled aspen]

It wouldn't surprise me if overpressure somehow gave you negative power.

[paper harness]

Infinite cleave weapon

Now you can bypass armor as well

[placid fiber]

Or applies anti-rending to enemies...

[spare talon]

that ability works with everything, more so cuz of the fact that it doesnt
that there isnt a direct synergy with it honestly, so its just an ability that you just have

[obsidian prairie]

Its the chorus button

[grizzled aspen]

So... what's going on with this vet buff I was hearing about?

[spare talon]

other abilities work directly with your kit, chorus is completely disconnected

[twilit willow]

what would flamer like ideally want skill wise?

[placid fiber]

Why on God's green earth are the buffing Vet? lol

[obsidian prairie]

I guess it synergizes with Martyrdom because it prevents melee bleedthrough

[grizzled aspen]

If there's an article I'll read that instead of some wall of text flashbang.

[obsidian prairie]

Flamer just works

[twilit willow]

pfff

[spare talon]

nothing
flamer is meant to be a compliment to your melee weapon

[obsidian prairie]

Zealot tree is built around buffing melee

[twilit willow]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[obsidian prairie]

Very few ranged buffs

[grizzled aspen]

Le epic embed fail.

[fleet zealot]

flamer is meant to compliment throwing knives and slow horde clear weapons

[twilit willow]

tru

[spare talon]

flamer works better with weapons that deal great single target damage at the cost of group clear