zealot-class

[paper harness]

I renamed some characters

[fleet zealot]

yea but branx is chad adn karsolas is soyjack

[obsidian ore]

its just much faster

[rocky nacelle]

which ones

[neat compass]

I just gave a reason. I like bulgarian the most personally so to each their own

[ember yew]

come on FS, at least 5%, so you can get 5x3

[rocky nacelle]

yknow me and cica got some naked bandana oggy last night

[neat compass]

The differences are honestly small

[rocky nacelle]

bro was runnin through that maelstrom

lmfao

[paper harness]

Soyker and ogyrn

ye

US East when EU is dead

[rocky nacelle]

met my first good sweaty oggy last night, and it was a shirtless one with a bandana sliding around everywhere with a pickaxe

lmfao

[paper harness]

Rat-merchant?

[frosty herald]

Shirtless players are always weird asf

[rocky nacelle]

his name was blighted

I dont have the mod for steam names

[paper harness]

ah so not ainz

[rocky nacelle]

nah I think i've seen ainz ogryn in a screenshot here b4

maybe

[paper harness]

A certain content creator wanted that removed

btw

[obsidian ore]

I do agree, I like the new weapons. Maybe except the boltpistol

I can't make that thing work. Not fun for me

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-gohan-beast-gohan-glock-gif-7214461063670631699

[rocky nacelle]

either about to be the sweatiest tide player you've ever seen

or they're a gooner

(its usually the first option)

[frosty herald]

It has to be telepots

[obsidian ore]

We are still waiting for our beloved melta gun

[paper harness]

no

[neat compass]

He can grab his complaints and thrust them where the sun doesn't shine

[frosty herald]

I cant get borovian to work at all but the 3 hit lights are cool

[paper harness]

Telo one of the reasons it was kept

[neat compass]

Telo is the one that made these movesets

[frosty herald]

My fault og

[neat compass]

It's an acquired taste

[paper harness]

I have to agree with tanner on one point

[frosty herald]

I always like complex weapons

But some dont work for me

[paper harness]

certain content creators should not have access to FS devs

[neat compass]

Did he give any reasoning as to why the moveset is bad and should be removed?

[fleet zealot]

elitist private discorders conspired to ruin veteran

[neat compass]

I'm curious

[fleet zealot]

the return of darcy

[paper harness]

I can’t say

[naive parrot]

In what way

[obsidian ore]

in v2 I always hated complex weapons because of a weird input delay causing my attacks to not chain properly

[neat compass]

That is a name I haven't heard since the second age

[fleet zealot]

it's a joke

[obsidian ore]

I have tried lots of different settings with imput changes but nothing worked

[rocky nacelle]

laughs in charge blade

[obsidian ore]

in darktide it's way better, no issues with complex weapons

[frosty herald]

I cant make chargeblade work lmao

[naive parrot]

oh

[paper harness]

I might come off pegged after the crafting change

[fleet zealot]

iirc, it started either on steam forums or reddit i forgot which, but it called the public darktide discord a private elitist discord and it's never going to stop being funny

[rocky nacelle]

when I show people all you do is smack monster, phial go red you press RT+B, profit

[naive parrot]

Greatsword is the weapon for me. Hit, hit bigger, hit biggest. THe best combo

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[frosty herald]

Hammer is simple and good

[neat compass]

Branx has/had some issues because of how slow it is. And currently achlys axe is straight up broken but for the rest yeah, every action queues up pretty well

[obsidian ore]

nothing gives you the satisfaction of a good halberd gameplay here unfortunately

that's true

[frosty herald]

Branx sprint is so fucking slowwwwwwwwwww

[rocky nacelle]

deimos special L1

(thats it)

[paper harness]

Ye

Car sales bettah

[frosty herald]

Para did you see my ping

[rocky nacelle]

with the smaller monsters killing you?

yes

give bullfango GS/Hammer uppercuts

😈

[frosty herald]

They done put verdugo in wilds😭😭😭

[paper harness]

RNJesus has not blessed us with 3veg on consignment

[frosty herald]

Why would you be pegged post crafting

[obsidian ore]

still waitin

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/who-want-backshots-instagram-goobercore-my-granny-passed-away-popular-loner-zay-gif-16369605543172229008

[obsidian ore]

bro wtf

[paper harness]

Iconic

[rocky nacelle]

RIP grandma

[neat compass]

I think I saw you guys bully a demonhost

[frosty herald]

I like how your palico is just useless during the grab

[paper harness]

Of course

[rocky nacelle]

reminds me of world

[paper harness]

They exist to be bullied

4 men bully woman

[rocky nacelle]

i should practice fighting DH with different weapons

wanna bonk em around with a crusher

[obsidian ore]

Demons are a test of your mettle, never run away from them

you gotta look them in the eye as you smash their spine in

[rocky nacelle]

the Daemonhost seeing me pull out a blue stimm and hold RMB for 3 minutes

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocked-gif-27437284

[grizzled aspen]

Was running with a random group last night and the psyker fought every single dh we came across.

[paper harness]

Did he win

[grizzled aspen]

Killed them effortlessly.

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-lock-in-nah-id-win-amenathus-gif-1889648742143147519

he'd win

[obsidian ore]

good.

[rocky nacelle]

he was doing the monstrosity weekly bro

give him a chance

[paper harness]

He, in fact, did not

[rocky nacelle]

what do you fight DH with as soyker dorn

[grizzled aspen]

He said something about "I'll be running a little behind" and then I saw the dh hp bar pop up and get absolutely minced.

[rocky nacelle]

(if its not a CIAG)

[frosty herald]

How tf

[paper harness]

Anything

[frosty herald]

On a psyker

[obsidian ore]

its called a duelling sword mk4 with precog uncanny

[rocky nacelle]

I have exactly that

[frosty herald]

Psyker has some of the worst boss dps

[rocky nacelle]

it just has mid perks

lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

He was using dclaw parry with kinetic deflection.

Bro was just Him.

[rocky nacelle]

gunker walks in

https://tenor.com/view/saloon-enter-crowboys-gif-24849059

[obsidian ore]

I also made a dclaw parry build onp syker but

it is not as good as vet one

[rocky nacelle]

I told cole to make a Dclaw parry build

with DD keystone and scriers

(he hasnt tried it yet)

[sullen forge]

Psyker is bad just… just because it is okay!

[obsidian ore]

vet is the undisputed king of dclaw

[pine glacier]

this is a saddening statement, dont hurt my branxy boi like that

[sullen forge]

Proceeds to nuke the entire map lmao

[rocky nacelle]

is it cause he bleeds on every melee Hamdol

[smoky pewter]

I am once again asking for your best Cruxis one-shot boss builds o/

[rocky nacelle]

among other talents

[obsidian ore]

no, because he can stack an insane amount of power

[paper harness]

No hammers allowed

[rocky nacelle]

hey you can use THs

just not in monstro specialists

so boring

[obsidian ore]

and you can start with vet shout for 8 stacks of skullcrusher

[sullen forge]

No

[rocky nacelle]

feck off

[obsidian ore]

5-6 parries gets it dead

[misty nova]

Perfectionist Martyrdom Thrust 4 easy

[rocky nacelle]

oh yknow I didnt think about VoC + skullcrusher synergy

thats pretty fucking crazy

[obsidian ore]

first parry chunks it hard

[paper harness]

Gambling time for a 7

[rocky nacelle]

whats your current 7

[obsidian ore]

gotta watch

[rocky nacelle]

unless this is on vet

[obsidian ore]

im jumping in

[rocky nacelle]

crucis is dog walking anything anyway with a special activate + chastise

but if you really hate unyielding

purge the unclean

[visual stream]

Ermm shroudfield one shot bosses better 👆

[rocky nacelle]

its a crucis

it doesnt need shroudfield

ironhelm yea i'd argue

cause overhead strike down H3

[smoky pewter]

tyvm fren

[rocky nacelle]

way better in shroudfield

[frosty herald]

😭

My psyker boss dps has been horrid

[rocky nacelle]

tsk tsk sibling

noob

[smoky pewter]

okay but why dagger?

[obsidian ore]

way way faster than zealot indeed. It's actually insanely fun to watch it happen

[smoky pewter]

dagger's always seemed the weakest to me.

[obsidian ore]

especially beasts of nurgle lol

[rocky nacelle]

throwing knives?

[smoky pewter]

yeah

throwing knives*

[rocky nacelle]

throwing knives help with the slowness of TH and eviscerators

1 shots disablers

1 shots ragers

1 shots snipers/elites on headshots

[obsidian ore]

I do like my thammer setup tho, one taps pretty much anything with max damage shit

[rocky nacelle]

Tknives also cut down animation times of pulling out a Bolter/ Flamer

[smoky pewter]

the issue is getting that headshot.

[rocky nacelle]

they are just good

(also on eviscerator and TH, I pick throwing knives cause realistically your melee should be blendering the horde) ya feel me

[obsidian ore]

thworing knives are goated

[smoky pewter]

do they have bullet (knife) drop?

[rocky nacelle]

yes

they're a projectile

thats why I love them

projectiles = sex

[obsidian ore]

it allows you to run any range weapon you want because it gives you a gun pretty much for sniping

[frosty herald]

Scrier shards fun

[obsidian ore]

also animation cancelling makes bolter and flamer viable

if you call bolter viable of course

[rocky nacelle]

yep for example I can run the slowest fucking heavy weapons build imaginable, I can use crucis / bolter, crucis / flamer, and get away with it cause Tknives can cover my other weaknesses

[smoky pewter]

I'm already a low skill andy you see, this is a hard sell. How am I gonna hit a sniper from across the world with a throwing knife?

[radiant token]

What weapons would you recommend, also curios? 3 wound or nah?

[rocky nacelle]

by constantly forcing yourself to throw the knife at that range

[obsidian ore]

im sorry for this answer but it is called gitting gud

[paper harness]

aim higher

[frosty herald]

Throwing knives have 1 very big upside

[rocky nacelle]

also its very easy

just aim higher

lmfao

[frosty herald]

You can cancel any action into a knife

[rocky nacelle]

the trick is actually just aiming above targets

the farther they are the higher

you gotta aim

snipers unironically are the best practice for this

besides bombers

[smoky pewter]

Okay. We'll give it a shot.

So - what does it one-tap on a body shot, anything at all?

[neat compass]

Up to about 30m the drop is negligible

[rocky nacelle]

on your marty build? if its marty I use flamer and or DBarrel

and I use 2 wounds curios and 17% toughness

on my marty builds

[obsidian ore]

yknow that is not a bad approach honestly

[hard nexus]

how important is power output on the crusher

[rocky nacelle]

my reasoning is I get +2 from talent tree

[obsidian ore]

5 stacks on martyrdon is enough for most of the important breakpoints

[rocky nacelle]

^

6 wounds is enough

[obsidian ore]

but I like edging so

[radiant token]

I’ll run evis for mele. Mk2 my beloved..

[rocky nacelle]

depends if you wanna blow everything up around you with the special

[radiant token]

But db will probably be what I run.

[rocky nacelle]

I got a mk2 build for you it uses IJ I can swap it over to marty if you want

both eviscerators feel great with IJ

(mk2 a lil more cause better single target lights)

better for spamming with IJ stacks

(but I used mk15 IJ last night and chain heavied 5 ragers to death with max IJ stacks)

[radiant token]

Hell send it! I love ij on evis

[rocky nacelle]

kk

[hard nexus]

oh honestly i didnt see ur message

i only saw this now cuz im making a crusher now lol

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

[pine glacier]

IJ is inexorable?

just to be sure

[placid fiber]

Also Meow is among the living again!

[placid fiber]

Yes

[hard nexus]

wha

[placid fiber]

You were lost, yesterday

In the turmoil

And you hath been recovered!

[hard nexus]

whatre u talking about

im confused

[placid fiber]

They were saying we lost meow yesterday

[smoky pewter]

follow-up: What's the projectile travel time like on knife? IE how far should I lead shots

when should I lead them

etc

[hard nexus]

oh

victuals

yeah

i ended up having to go out

thats pussy shit i just feel it out

[rocky nacelle]

@radiant token

same perks/blessings on mk2/mk15

interchangeable in this build

[placid fiber]

Yeah, you were lost in the fray

[hard nexus]

:3

[placid fiber]

[radiant token]

Bet thanks kindred.

[rocky nacelle]

oh wait swap blood redemption for scourge / and second wind for enduring faith

mb

[smoky pewter]

ty ty

[hard nexus]

a million dockets later and this is the best ive got

sad

[rocky nacelle]

(we're running shred on evisc so its decently reliable on proccing those talents)

[placid fiber]

I think their words were "we lost meow" and then everyone was like "rip meow" more or less

[frosty herald]

How

[hard nexus]

how what

[frosty herald]

Crusher is so easy to roll

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-dbz-dragon-ball-z-gif-4979164

[placid fiber]

Brunt

[hard nexus]

everything either had terrible stat distro

or bricked by hadron

[frosty herald]

Damn

[hard nexus]

well

[frosty herald]

Maybe in the normal shop

[hard nexus]

i gues this one isnt terrible

[placid fiber]

I mean it can roll double impact and double bad perks

[rocky nacelle]

ye change these around

cuz shred is good

[hard nexus]

swap sprint to flak thunder to SC

[placid fiber]

I've... seen worse...

🤢

[rocky nacelle]

(you can run BR and second wind if you want I think they're good)

but for the purposes of shred on eviscerator

[placid fiber]

I remember when power output was the most important stat on the crusher lol

[rocky nacelle]

the crit talents r nice

[pale spindle]

Yes yes YYEEESSSSS

FULL IMPACT

[hard nexus]

does the crusher have the least amount of blessings in the game

[rocky nacelle]

one of em

[radiant token]

I wanna say I have rampage and shred on my mk2 if not I have a chainsword with that on it for sure.

[rocky nacelle]

T4 has like 4 blessings

[paper harness]

I’m broke now

[modern lintel]

Rumbler might have less

[placid fiber]

least important ones... skullcrusher is the most important

[hard nexus]

well which is better

[rocky nacelle]

its better than rolling for a god eviscerator

so many of the blessings are mid

[placid fiber]

yes

[pale spindle]

This is for a different weapon , but this is about the same for Evis: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c1145ac-bd8c-46ae-965c-4aa85ce1ebb4/carpal-tunnel-zealot?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hard nexus]

rumbler has 5

[pale spindle]

Very boring tho 😴

[rocky nacelle]

off stat modifiers alone its the left

also better perks

[hard nexus]

crusher has 4

[placid fiber]

24?!

[hard nexus]

alright

oops

[placid fiber]

[pale spindle]

Yeah I miss crit evis

[placid fiber]

Crit evis sounds like a meme

[pale spindle]

I remember getting my cooldown back up every 2 hits 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔

[placid fiber]

except in the hands of good players

[rocky nacelle]

my mk15 piety build was my beloved

[pale spindle]

It's still OK, because when u ignore unit hit mass, you can cleave better

[placid fiber]

Granted... good players can run something like double impact crusher... so I mean...

[rocky nacelle]

I just recently started trying mk15 IJ

(feels better than piety 😔 )

80% crit eviscerator was funny though

[pale spindle]

Perfect Strike + Shred is still viable on paper

[rocky nacelle]

you mean

perfect strike + rampage + piety

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/paper-gif-20291306

[hard nexus]

do i go crit or marty crusher

[pale spindle]

Truuuuuuu

[placid fiber]

Yes

[rocky nacelle]

IJ or marty

[pale spindle]

Nah I want max crit

[placid fiber]

Btw both of those crushers were good

[pale spindle]

😭

[rocky nacelle]

if you crit you're just gonna shoehorn yourself

into spamming PA

[placid fiber]

and yeah IJ or marty for crusher

[rocky nacelle]

(really good finesse modifier on that attack)

[hard nexus]

kk

marty it is

[rocky nacelle]

and crusher moveset is actually really fun

[frosty herald]

These pics go so hard feel free to screenshot...

[placid fiber]

make sure to do shroudfield as well

[fleet zealot]

2nd image looks like a bad moustache

[placid fiber]

... it does now that I look at it

[frosty herald]

I will NOT accept honor guard slander

[fleet zealot]

blueberry slander

https://tenor.com/view/hey-bear-sensory-dancing-fruit-animation-fruit-gif-16951953099721320208

[hard nexus]

i really hope they fix the spawn bug soon

[frosty herald]

Its a big maw made from an eagle

[placid fiber]

... can't shroudfield work with pretty much any weapon...? :/

besides chain ones

[hard nexus]

yesterday i had an auric hishock that had a total damage of about 700k

[pale spindle]

Guys how about we all just use the knife? 🤔

[placid fiber]

Knife is so yesterday...

[fleet zealot]

kinda, some weapons don't really do well wth single big hits stealth likes, or they have low finesse

[rocky nacelle]

HISTG T5 Auric Clandestium when maelstroms and all the other missions fucking suck on rotation :

[fleet zealot]

like smual

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-aimlabs-gif-25497759

[fleet zealot]

i wouldn't run stelath smaul

[placid fiber]

Honestly I forgot about the smauls

[pale spindle]

Bruh imagine shroud when crit CDR wasn't nerfed

Literally invisible half of the run ☠️

[placid fiber]

Just wait till they nerf the 20% cdr on backstab kill

to like... 5%

[frosty herald]

Shroud used to have 100 backstab bonus i think

[placid fiber]

cause: Screw the player

[pale spindle]

The problem with shorud is that most people use it incorrectly

[rocky nacelle]

i mean if you dont think backstab CDR is at least a little ridiculous

thats on you

[placid fiber]

and then they double chastise, relic, and shroudfield cooldowns

[rocky nacelle]

it just needs a slap on the wrist

[placid fiber]

even 10% would be more realistic

[pale spindle]

Yeah Shroud tech is the best blitz on the tree

The problem is that it's next to the worst aura on the tree 😭

[placid fiber]

I think it is beyond ridiculous lol

[fossil crag]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxpU-wF1cwx0Sex8YAtgv4XAc9TBCdLv3R?si=b1mWUiTmf14WqgKV

[placid fiber]

I mean... at least with loner you keep the zealot's base aura...

unlike the middle one...

[pale spindle]

Stop

[placid fiber]

You know I'm right

[pale spindle]

I would have corruption cleanse a thousand times than 2 toughness per second 😔😔😔😔

[placid fiber]

I mean I would too, but, I was just making a statement

[frosty herald]

Xev why arent you hitting heads😭

[pale spindle]

But then again the aura is right next to the WORST blitz in the entire game

[rocky nacelle]

lacerate maxxing

[pale spindle]

So maybe it balances out 🤔

[placid fiber]

kinda, sadly...

[fossil crag]

i donno

[placid fiber]

At least it isn't the worst blitz for a useless rando to have... since it might keep them alive 2 seconds longer...

[pale spindle]

Book zealots hyper coping that they are "supporting" the team

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[rocky nacelle]

book only supports when it pushes bosses off cliffs

[frosty herald]

My rage when a chorus zealot pops chorus when im downed surrounded by a whole 3 poxwalkers

[rocky nacelle]

ive seen a total of 1 other book zealot use it in actual good spots

when I wasnt using book

[pale spindle]

Me taking book specifically for the Void mission, pushes boss off ledge, leaves

[placid fiber]

That's more than I have lol

I don't use the book, tho

[rocky nacelle]

but id rather just kill shit with chastise since relying on other people to kill shit is either too slow or too slow and disablers show up

[placid fiber]

If I wanted to roleplay as a support character... I'd fucking play Ogryn/Vet... and still do more active gameplay than that...

[pale spindle]

I use book if I notice my PUBS are absolute trash, so I babysit their toughness bars 👶🏻

"no sweetheart, you can't just ignore the mutant 2 feet away from you"

[placid fiber]

THEY DO THAT THO

[rocky nacelle]

I swear thats how it is sometimes when im shield wall soyker

fine I guess i'll shield you from the sniper you wont dodge

[placid fiber]

Mutie throwing ALL 3 OF THEM AROUND... shoots other enemies

[pale spindle]

"honey those 2 pox walkers are removing your healthbar"

[naive parrot]

good lord this is the worst

[placid fiber]

ikr?

[pale spindle]

Sees sniper, alright everyone, let me give you all some floaties

[naive parrot]

I'm sure their thought pattern is "someone else will get it"

[placid fiber]

Honestly that's giving them too much credit

[burnt ivy]

Hmmm I wonder what this could mean

[placid fiber]

I bet at least 2 of them don't even know it's there

[pale spindle]

It's funny, when I see a mute and nobody is killing it. I don't kill it, I just use book walk up to the mutant and start spam pinging it until someone does ☠️

[naive parrot]

been reading those grims we been picking up eh

this is why I never learned to read

keeps me safe

[pale spindle]

I'm literally teaching these children how to kill a mutant like a 2 year old

[frosty herald]

Even as a joke

[pale spindle]

"no, you need to kill this first, BEFORE the trash"

[frosty herald]

I would love it if psyker got a grimoire as a ranged magic weapon

[naive parrot]

but it has a big health bar! Its not fun to hit something if it doesnt die!

[placid fiber]

It means: YOU AREN'T A VET GET IT TF OUT OF YOUR INVENTORY!

or smthing like that...

[rocky nacelle]

silence

kingo hamada time

[pale spindle]

U need to teach them the hard way then

If they still refuse to kill it, I let it grab them over and over and over again

[placid fiber]

Does anyone even use the bolter, non-ironically? lol

[frosty herald]

I do

[naive parrot]

Dogs are the other one

[frosty herald]

On vet

[placid fiber]

On zealot, tho? @frosty herald

[naive parrot]

dogs are worse than muties and I've seen people ignore them

[frosty herald]

Yeah

[placid fiber]

Trappers are even worse and I see people ignore them...

[frosty herald]

If you cant reload in a horde your ass

[naive parrot]

Thankfully most people I get understand the threat a trapper poses and kill it immediately

[pale spindle]

When pubs start emptying an entire clip on 2 pox walkers, I just walk up to them with the book and blocking their vision

[placid fiber]

I think calling them "people" is giving them too much credit...

[rocky nacelle]

wait till bolter deniers find out about IJ and bolter

🕵️

[pale spindle]

Until they actually switch to mele

[placid fiber]

imagine bolter on Ogryn, tho...

[pale spindle]

Maybe book does have value, it helps Shepard trash pubs 🤔

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dozing-sleep-nodding-gif-11362274

[placid fiber]

It's a bigger ripper!

[burnt ivy]

A newbie friend of mine has found The Great Filter

[rocky nacelle]

is it 3 VEG

[burnt ivy]

[placid fiber]

Dodging?

[rocky nacelle]

or just damnation

[burnt ivy]

Heresy difficulty

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/struggle-sisyphus-gif-4952086791107433131

[burnt ivy]

They now understand why I don't solo queue Heresy when I'm bored due to the obvious genestealer teammates that flood random queue

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-explode-spongebob-explosion-gif-22938834

been there before

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain-returns-risk-of-rain-stone-golem-stone-golems-hopoo-games-gif-9058415478704048274

[rocky nacelle]

game just denies you any 2nd chance at life

[pale spindle]

This game is actually PVP

Change my mind

You versus your pubs

[ivory marlin]

I need a cat

[pale spindle]

☠️

[placid fiber]

Doesn't give you an option, you just are dead already

[hearty nebula]

barrels agree with you

[ivory marlin]

I think if i had a cat my life would improve greatly

[placid fiber]

Competence levels? That's like comparing a mountain to a crater in height

[pale spindle]

PUBS missing 5 plasma shots at a pox walker 2 feet away from them

PUBS having navy seal level aim on the barrel right next to me

[visual stream]

Clandestium Barreliana

[rocky nacelle]

if clandestium taught me anything

if the barrels wont get my team

the spawns will

[placid fiber]

This just agrees with my statement

[rocky nacelle]

and the DH that chills on the 2nd part of the walkway

[burnt ivy]

I still see freshly minted level 5s with no prior experience or knowledge play on Heresy and Malice, who are these guys and why are they so confident in themselves lmao.

[rocky nacelle]

everytime

(unless im running TH)

[visual stream]

Clandestium teaches temperance in an area that would be really fucking fun to rush through

[rocky nacelle]

until everything aggros and you're in a small hallway with a bomber richocheting shit inside and a flamer no one kills

pubs moment

also unironically

the hallways of clandestium are fucked

[placid fiber]

ikr?

[rocky nacelle]

like

I went into the first side hallway at the start of the mission

[placid fiber]

Thammer? DH is gone

[open pollen]

Seems the Marty Meta has reached my region. Last few matches had 1-2 of em a piece.

[rocky nacelle]

a mauler spawned behind me with no sound / indication

(I killed him but still)

[placid fiber]

No thammer, full pubs? DH every time

[visual stream]

Woe, BoN in Clandestium hallway upon ye

[rocky nacelle]

the fact a mauler just dropped behind me in a hallway and there was no indication

besides me turning around

is crazy

clandestium is a wild place lmfao

[visual stream]

I wonder if you can ledge a DH

[hearty nebula]

step 1. kill him

[rocky nacelle]

its all people used to do early on

[visual stream]

I imagine you can as long as it doesn't use the teleport fast enough

[pale spindle]

I remember yesterday I was doing an auric run: I asked "why are there soo many newbs on today?" because I had 2 plasma vets at +14 and not hitting anything.

You know what they replied with?

"Wow, we are bad because we are penance hunting????"

🤯

[rocky nacelle]

I did cause soyker ds4

[placid fiber]

or on the stairs in hab dreyko in the area above the place where the last elevator is

[rocky nacelle]

its just anyone else woulda been fucked

lmfao

mauler silently manifesting is a nightmare

[hearty nebula]

yeahhhh i got two level 20's while trying to do a maelstrom yesterday and i was about ready to rip them a new one

[frosty herald]

Sometimes i get backshots from a silent crusher

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/weirdcat-funnycat-psychich-assault-gif-66649479801514757

[visual stream]

Yucky

[pale spindle]

I realized at that momment, the reason why newbs go on Aurics even though they KNOW they are not ready is because of the penance system change ☠️

[placid fiber]

Yeah, I've had those quite a few times... both in Darktide and VT2... a spawn that would have fucked any rando 100 times over... that I dodge cause paranoia

[visual stream]

That part of the map blows for multiple reasons

It's one of my only gripes with Hab Dreyk

[pale spindle]

They jsut hope other people carry them so they get their border

Or title

LITERALLY they want other people to carry them

[rocky nacelle]

anyways time to see if Clandestium T5 HISTG is up or not

https://tenor.com/view/autism-autism-creature-yippee-tbh-creature-gif-26771176

[visual stream]

This is me but with Chasm Logi

[placid fiber]

I mean it's the only reasonable reaction

[visual stream]

God I fucking love Chasm Logi

[hearty nebula]

wait no it's glori

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/broly-running-gif-26450098

[hearty nebula]

oh

yep

brainrot hours

[pale spindle]

I don't because when PUBS see the barrels near the cliff they can't help but shoot them 😔

[open pollen]

Thammers are so weird because they are clunky and thunderwhelming but dammit, I still enjoy using them.

[rocky nacelle]

T5 Clandestium > dog shit aurics and maelstroms

[visual stream]

Which part of the map?

[hearty nebula]

i want to like thammers but i also like having cleave out the ass so they aint for me

[open pollen]

But, you can get most of the penances on regular difficulties

[rocky nacelle]

cough ironhelm

[pale spindle]

Yeah but they see the auric ones and be like "this is easy, someone will carry me"

[open pollen]

I am an ironhelmer

[pale spindle]

Literally

This is what they do

[hearty nebula]

yeah but they also don't go vroom vroom

[placid fiber]

I like both thammers tbh

[visual stream]

Just a friendly reminder that helm hits every single breakpoint that crucis does except it has to work for maulers a lil

[rocky nacelle]

you're right they go KSSCCCHHTT BOOM on the armored heretics

[placid fiber]

If I want one with good lights, the crucis is the one

[visual stream]

Other than bosses and the niche crusher bp

[placid fiber]

If I want one with cleave on special, the ironhelm is the one

[pale spindle]

Also if u do the auric version of the missions, the other difficulties get automatically unlocked

[rocky nacelle]

iirc you can just special H3 Thrust 4 a mauler

if it doesnt die

Tknife

lmao

[pale spindle]

So tech this is the fastest way to get all of the mission penances

The penance system literally fucked up PUBS ☠️

[pale spindle]

Nobody talks about this

[placid fiber]

nice alligator

[pale spindle]

Is that u?

[visual stream]

That alone is considered work when you have to finagle an overhead to not hit the head, but you also need IJ/Marty stacks

[rocky nacelle]

i guess

[visual stream]

H1/H2 works with thrust and IJ/Mart

[rocky nacelle]

i dont have too hard a time sniping with ironhelm special H3

my only gripe

is that you can hold it for ridiculously long

for 0 reason

lmfao

[visual stream]

We should get to sprint with H3

Like a mini-knife sprint

[rocky nacelle]

well you dont really get to sprint with the other one

[placid fiber]

rip

[visual stream]

Zah zamn

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-40123618314459872

[frosty herald]

The sound design in wilds is godlike

[grizzled aspen]

That looks fucking sick but I dont play monster hunter games.

[visual stream]

Time to change that

[rocky nacelle]

capcom doing they thing once again

hasnt been this good since DMC5

[frosty herald]

Youve got until 2025 to play world and rise

[hard nexus]

crusher is fun

[visual stream]

I'm glad they're trying to build off of the huge success that World had

[hard nexus]

cant really test the build though because of the spawn bug

[frosty herald]

The director said he wants wilds to be as big of an impact as world

[rocky nacelle]

its not like they werent doing that with Rise/sunbreak

its just rise/sunbreak is a sideline game

lol

[onyx glade]

Mhw and wilds aren’t mh games

Not really

[north sedge]

🤔

[hearty nebula]

ok i got a hammer

now what

[visual stream]

True but it doesn't seem like it was the same direction

[hard nexus]

the games in the monster hunter series arent monster hunter games

[rocky nacelle]

why is it always new to the server people

that say some crazy shit

lmfao

on entrance

[visual stream]

Now you post the hammer

[rocky nacelle]

darktide isnt a tide game

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

[north sedge]

oh shit i just checked, yea it was called Dino Crisis World

[hearty nebula]

ok

sorry about mic

[hard nexus]

yeah they added too many woke new things like shooters and stuff

so

[placid fiber]

Isn't that the point of being new, to make an ass out of yourself?

[rocky nacelle]

pfft i guess for you guys

[hard nexus]

ill stick my apolitical warhammer games thank you very much

[visual stream]

Now upgrade to blue and show again

[rocky nacelle]

damn thats the 380 they gave you?

[placid fiber]

Wait so my idea of cheese and peanut butter isn't good...?

[hearty nebula]

i already maxed it

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[rocky nacelle]

lucky guy

[ornate bone]

true warrior

[grizzled aspen]

Actually a really good hammer.

[visual stream]

Yowch

[lusty oar]

mods, barrel this mf

[hard nexus]

2 new people in 5 minutes

[rocky nacelle]

hammer blow -> thrust , infested -> flak

[visual stream]

It'll be a 3/4 but still purty good

[grizzled aspen]

Hammerblow to thrust and infested to your pick of damage blessing.

Probably flak.

[hearty nebula]

honestly i'm not that worried about it i can just pretty it up when itemization drops

[obsidian ore]

wasting 25 million ordo dockets on random shit you'll never get lucky with is the national anthem here

[grizzled aspen]

Unyielding isn't a bad choice either.

[hearty nebula]

my chainsword is more than good enough in the meantime

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-ass-players-lucky-to-have-you-mge-lucky-ass-players-stackrelf-deaths-stackrelf-tf2-gif-26146805

[pale spindle]

Everyone talks about the itemization wepaons changes

But nobody talks about the curios

😔😔😔😔😔

[hearty nebula]

my curios are ok

[rocky nacelle]

i have never rolled brunt forcefully for a 380 or anything around it

[grizzled aspen]

No more curio locks!!!

[rocky nacelle]

[pale spindle]

Curios now are fully unlocked

[ornate bone]

is the chainsword good

[grizzled aspen]

Yippee!!!

[obsidian ore]

me and my 20 %17 toughness curios

[pale spindle]

Yall don't realize how Chad this is

[obsidian ore]

at this point im drowing in curious

send help

[pale spindle]

Never again I have to roll for 1% more toughness 😔😔😭😔😭😔

[rocky nacelle]

now we can see people self brick even harder

with ability CDR spam

[hearty nebula]

assault or eviscerator

[grizzled aspen]

Yes, and zealout gets to be a little silly with martyrdom, fotf, and the mk13 chainsword.

[onyx glade]

Mhw was created to appeal to a western audience with a more methodical and immersive approach to the series rather than the faster and more arcadey style the series typically follows

[ornate bone]

hooray

[hearty nebula]

assault seems like they can do some good work but i like big melee weapons

[onyx glade]

You say wild, I say literally the devs viewpoint

[rocky nacelle]

ok so its called monster hunter world

cause its not a monster hunter game

[obsidian ore]

they say every single time someone bricks a %17 toughness curio hadron gets a boner

[rocky nacelle]

because its to appeal to a western audience

got it

so if it appealed to a japanese audience

would you call it monster hunter then?

[hard nexus]

wha

[lusty oar]

get hadroned

[rocky nacelle]

get owned

[hard nexus]

can u not post 2 links back to back

thats stupid

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/izZXq5QdAaOIaL9QF/d1337XqFZ4Lx?invite=cr-MSx5ZFAsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

theres one

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iA0nBJoDuAGD273xA/d1337vb6JobZ?invite=cr-MSxqTHosMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[lusty oar]

you have to wait a few seconds

[hearty nebula]

nvm my health curio is bad 😔 it's only 20% hp instead of 21% hp

[hard nexus]

theres two

[grizzled aspen]

cough @paper harness cough

[pale spindle]

The west has fallen everyone, we don't get the JRPGs anymore 😭😭😭😭😭

[hearty nebula]

[rocky nacelle]

darktide was made to appeal to the western audience

its not a tide game

[pale spindle]

Oh shit no way

[hard nexus]

games adapt to their audiences, and games that dont, fail (helldivers 2)

[frosty herald]

Para doesnt play around with monster hunter

[hard nexus]

its still a monster hunter game

[hushed knoll]

How did Helldivers fail

[rocky nacelle]

if I say the words I really want

you know how that would go

[pale spindle]

HD2 appealed to a western audience, not a Helldiver game, Sony

😔😔😔😔

[grizzled aspen]

HD2 didn't really fail, per se, they just have to deal with the 2nd worst company on the planet.

[hard nexus]

player counts, reviews, community fucking hates arrowhead

[hard nexus]

no lmfao arrowhead fucking sucks

[rocky nacelle]

me when intellectual discordians open their mouth

[frosty herald]

I dont play with monster hunter either vro

[hard nexus]

they are a bunch of egotistical developers that got too big for their own good

and tried to force the game into something that nobody wanted it to be

[frosty herald]

World is the gen 5 along with rise

[hearty nebula]

no they fucked it hard. arrowhead did the same thing with magicka

[rocky nacelle]

nope if it appealed to japanese audiences then it would be Gen 5

you dont get it

[grizzled aspen]

I literally have no idea what yall are on about.

[onyx glade]

Its as much a mh game as NT’s dmc

[rocky nacelle]

bro just sayin shit at this point

you really think a shitty "reboot" of an iconic series that shouldnt have been labelled DMC is comparable to MHW

[hard nexus]

does stamina regen on curios effect regen delay or regen speed

regen speed right

[onyx glade]

The only difference is success

[hearty nebula]

regen speed iirc

[hard nexus]

ok i figured

[rocky nacelle]

but they appealed to western audiences

how did they succeed?

[hard nexus]

thats 3 new people

[rocky nacelle]

should have kept MH japanese only

[frosty herald]

This might be one of the worst takes imaginable ive heard about monster hunter

[hard nexus]

uh oh

someone made a reddit post didnt they

[pale spindle]

Wasn't the whole "west has fallen" crowd just a bunch of sexpats who go to Asia to dodge age of consent laws in their home countries? 🤔

[hearty nebula]

i mean im not new i just tend to avoid channels like this

[north sedge]

helldivers 2 is a good fun game, the community is trash

[hearty nebula]

it's doomers 2 basically

but for shitty political ideaologies

[hard nexus]

no the game fuckin sucks now

sry

im like

#1 hater

[rocky nacelle]

meow proving dough's point

smh

[hearty nebula]

it's still fun but it's tarnished to fucking hell

[hard nexus]

the game had so much fucking potential and they squandered it

[paper harness]

the bugs and lack of content pretty shit

[north sedge]

i uh, have fun it still, that last update was cool

[hard nexus]

ok well

your opinion is incorrect

[paper harness]

gameplay loop fujn

[hard nexus]

my viewpoint is the only right one

[hard nexus]

you will now be depicted as soyjack

[hearty nebula]

you mean the update that brought a fire themed warbond where all the weapons are absolute dogwater and just not worth getting

that one right

[north sedge]

fair point, i will review bomb post haste over uhh...a rock not having the best texture or something

[paper harness]

you are the soyjack non level 1k zealot

[rocky nacelle]

agreed game developers are the worst........

[hard nexus]

u really just went thru the effort to pull that up

[pale spindle]

Lmao "guys we have these cringe feminazis, why can't we have submissive, young, silent, small FEMALES like Asia"

😬

[hearty nebula]

damn it's over, i'm disqualified for not being level 1k as well

[paper harness]

isn't he pretty

[hard nexus]

lets have GOOD women who are silent sex objects instead of women with PERSONALITIES

[placid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1270659857795776585/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH-1.gif

[hearty nebula]

is he mewing

[rocky nacelle]

discord and all the other online spaces

[pale spindle]

I think the bigger problem is the idealized version of women they believe in are literally just children 💀

[frosty herald]

Very useful image

[hard nexus]

🧏 🤫

[hard nexus]

yeah that too

[frosty herald]

For situations like now

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/solunary-neveah-discordia-discordian-discord-gif-27558502

[hard nexus]

west has fallens billions must become pedophiles

[rocky nacelle]

in my head canon monster hunter world stayed japanese

and was superior in every way

[paper harness]

I kneel

[hearty nebula]

in my head monster hunter world never exists

[median steeple]

Holy messy hud batman

[rocky nacelle]

mogged by kejetok

2040

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain-returns-risk-of-rain-stone-golem-stone-golems-hopoo-games-gif-9058415478704048274

[median steeple]

all it needs is subway surfers for peak stim

[grizzled aspen]

2700 zealout holy shit.

[rocky nacelle]

thats just hamdol

[hard nexus]

yeah hamdolsun did a true solo maelstrom the other day

hes insane

did like 2 million damage lol

[frosty herald]

Normal orthus and malice frame

[hard nexus]

lmfao

hes under cover

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/saitama-gif-23262277

power masker

smh

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/couette-couverture-duvet-blanket-gif-6326437

[frosty herald]

Bris hiding his power level like goku

Like bro you are NOT him

[pale spindle]

They want to groom women, because if they are actually on an even playing field when it comes to romantic relationships, they would literally have nothing to offer 💀💀💀💀💀

[hard nexus]

real!

shoot your local pedophile

[rocky nacelle]

you mean like monaka

hes hiding his power

🙄

https://tenor.com/view/monaka-dbs-gif-21703354

[hard nexus]

why r his nipples like that

[rocky nacelle]

why arent yours

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-bicycle-riding-cowboys-cowboy-gif-1022948746026166453

[rocky nacelle]

bitch

[median steeple]

I regret to inform you all but hutsune miku has been gunned down in the streets of brazil

[hard nexus]

oh no

was she dealing coke

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/violence-cat-attacking-gif-24912080

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/coca-cola-ice-gif-14314778219471485668

[hard nexus]

psycho

do u

wanna

play

!

fuck u hadron

eat shit

[grizzled aspen]

Lmao.

[frosty herald]

I hope you get timed out for 200 years

[hard nexus]

i hope you get gooned for 200 years

[placid fiber]

Careful, you might summon the really weird ones

[frosty herald]

Locked into a tomb of your own demise!

[hard nexus]

the flesh demands invitation!

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-youve-been-sentenced-general-24hours-gif-25145935

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/flesh-fleshtender-fleshskin-gif-25753157

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-sad-happy-tears-happy-cry-lars-and-the-real-girl-ryan-gosling-gif-11644396292265649069

[grizzled aspen]

[placid fiber]

I honestly have no clue what the expect when I type words into the gif search

[median steeple]

Im fighting for mexico and destroying the legion atm

maybe lator

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/cyn-murder-drones-glitch-glitch-productions-gif-3958269976841829538

[median steeple]

I did finish MD

it was pre good

[hard nexus]

siiiighj

u

haate

me

[hard nexus]

its so

peak

liiick

you dropped this,,, silly !

'kay !

[hard nexus]

squirmy worm

[median steeple]

hmmm breakfast time

[hard nexus]

im so

[median steeple]

at noon

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/slorp-platinumsparkles-platinum-sparkles-worm-gif-3321824494327143028

[hard nexus]

not normal

[hard nexus]

its been fun, and also thats, sarcasm !

[placid fiber]

It's the first thing that came up when I typed worm

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/murder-drones-murderdrones-murder-drones-n-n-murder-drones-murder-drones-meme-gif-2920171159169824398

[rocky nacelle]

why are all the spaghetti sexuals posting murder drones

[hard nexus]

just call me the f slur at that point

[rocky nacelle]

(I say spaghetti cause its not straight get it)

[median steeple]

I hate pasta

stupid ass food

[placid fiber]

Fair

[median steeple]

I only real man food (rocks)

[grizzled aspen]

See now we can't be friends.

[rocky nacelle]

nope i only say that to cica

[placid fiber]

It was that or Finkus

[frosty herald]

you are like a twig

https://tenor.com/view/cabba-poker-face-dbz-ドラゴンボールスーパー-アニメ-gif-9346117

so small

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/android13-gif-25393492

[median steeple]

I fucking love beeef!

I gotta remember the type of pasta I like.

[rocky nacelle]

hating pasta should be a sin

italian food for life

[median steeple]

I just don't like spaghetti

[frosty herald]

mf there are other types of pasta

[rocky nacelle]

crit maxxer

sibling

[placid fiber]

Not enough crit

[grizzled aspen]

Sacrilege!

[hard nexus]

pasta is

meh

[median steeple]

@frosty herald OPEN THE SCHOOLS

[hard nexus]

i dont really like it

[lusty oar]

interesting

[hard nexus]

its been fun, and also, thats sar casm .

[frosty herald]

u dont exist to me

ur done

[hard nexus]

honestly, im starving .

[rocky nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-piccolo-gif-24678501

[grizzled aspen]

I sentence you to 27 years of light spam in for honor.

[median steeple]

yummers

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/school-penguin-back-class-pudgy-gif-17024799870314463677

[median steeple]

yummers

yummers

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-goku-gif-23809506

[median steeple]

ok time to make eggs and bacon

[hard nexus]

maybe ill actually learn to light parry then

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-yummers-gif-730693117818784194

[hard nexus]

7dtd reference

[grizzled aspen]

Kills you with a big ole rock.

[frosty herald]

remember that time when turles raptured picollo

fun times

[hard nexus]

thats cicas line

[fleet zealot]

chickfila has a banana pudding milkshake but i don't wanna go there 😢

[median steeple]

like to see you try

[lusty oar]

fucking deflect spammers

[grizzled aspen]

I know but they aren't here to say it.

[hard nexus]

lmao

[grizzled aspen]

Don't be easily readable and you won't get deflected, goober.

[fleet zealot]

i'm too 🏳️‍🌈 to go to chickfila

[lusty oar]

no it's their fault for spamming deflect

[grizzled aspen]

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/broly-gogeta-its-futile-counter-gif-13441592151725503473

[hard nexus]

just feint gb

or just do the same thing a lot and then stop doing it and gb

i do that with warmonger's zone

spam it out for a bit

let them get used to it

and then

no more zone

free gb

[grizzled aspen]

Unless it's a character that uses the same input with a deflect as their dodge attack and you bounce off because fh attack frames start too early on half the characters.

Like orochi.

[hard nexus]

i hate it so much

[placid fiber]

Stop gooning around

[grizzled aspen]

It's an unbelievably simple fix but it's still in the fucking game.

[hard nexus]

war monger has a really long gb vulnerability but orochi just becomes invincible to gbs

[placid fiber]

I... I don't know what gooning actually means lol

[grizzled aspen]

But ubisoft is a triple A studio.

[hard nexus]

small indie studio*

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/don-toliver-dr-nefario-gif-3870774251849578187

[grizzled aspen]

That's because wm dodge heavies are unblockable, feintable, and have extended dodge property.

[hard nexus]

yeah i know

[grizzled aspen]

I think you can just take the L on that one.

[hard nexus]

im saying it as a comparison

its good that they are so vulnerable

[grizzled aspen]

But I'm not excusing other characters.

[hard nexus]

yes

i am too

i was

using it

as

a

comparison

[grizzled aspen]

Orochi, berserker, and pirate all have issues.

[hard nexus]

hadron im being snarky let me be

[lusty oar]

you should... uh, look it up

[grizzled aspen]

Pirate literally has no startup frames in her forward heavy, either.

Which is REALLY fucking stupid.

You can't even gb her on a read to stop her from spamming it.

[hard nexus]

storm rush should be a light parry

[grizzled aspen]

And it has instant hyperarmor.

[grizzled aspen]

I agree.

It also shouldn't be undodgable.

[hard nexus]

it should be the way it used to be

top is undodgable

sides arent

[grizzled aspen]

I know but none of them should be undodgable.

[hard nexus]

fair

it is stupid

[grizzled aspen]

Remove the undodgable property from the top one.

Everybody that has a forward bash and forward undodgable that have basically the same timing need to be nerfed.

Also looking at tiandi when I say that.

[hard nexus]

i fucking hate tiandi

stupid fast undodgable lights yes please

[grizzled aspen]

Hes in such a bad fucking spot and always has been.

[hard nexus]

luckily i dont see him very often

[grizzled aspen]

He is literally just a stalling hero.

[hard nexus]

i need 2 learn to light parry

despair

[grizzled aspen]

You just have to get better at reading.

[hard nexus]

no

its not that

i just

suck at them

i can guess when someone is gonna throw out a light pretty often

i just

i move my guard and i press parry

and

nothing happens

[grizzled aspen]

Do you play on controller?

[hard nexus]

no

mnk

[grizzled aspen]

L.

[hard nexus]

and i do not want to learn controller

[grizzled aspen]

Controller is very easy.

[hard nexus]

i tried it the other day and

[grizzled aspen]

Especially with trigger stops.

[hard nexus]

its a lot of effort to relearn

i only have a ps4 controller

so no trigger stops

[grizzled aspen]

Ah, that's unfortunate.

I have an elite series 2 Xbox controller.

The fancy one.

[hard nexus]

nice

[frosty herald]

m&k on for honor is nasty work

[grizzled aspen]

Truly awful.

[hard nexus]

yeah lmfao

[grizzled aspen]

I tried playing with it and it confuses the shit out of my brain so badly.

[hard nexus]

thats how i feel with controller

i used to play for honor on console

but ive just