keeping your damage at first target level
#zealot-class
fleet zealot
shock and awe doesn't help with cleave damage profile as I far as I know tho I would personally double check the online calculator
also, shock and awe would work as a BM-lite in ways that matter since you'd stop at the first elite/special
hushed knoll
No
visual stream
shock and awe doesn't help with cleave damage profile as I far as I know tho I w...
That's sad, I'm gonna test to hold some hopium/copium out that I might be able to extract something of worth out of useless hammer blessing #47
fleet zealot
iis decap bm better on rashad?
it is harder to upkeep but it's the highest potential blessing
visual stream
Maybe at least it would allow cleaving on H3, which would be less useful generally, but still interesting
wraith cipher
well its worth trying then lol
fleet zealot
decap outscales both decimator and headtaker, but without any chaff to oneshot and low martyrdom/IJ stacks you can be stuck basically down a blessing
wraith cipher
ill build one
coarse birch
hi stan
limber kayak
trying to do the "nothing but the abyss" penance im stuck on 22/25 and i cant seem to get it done any tips or how toos ?
obsidian quail
try harder 
misty nova
Restoring Faith+ thunder hammer
obsidian quail
whats this penance even
misty nova
It's restoring 25% of your HP with Holy Revenant, no?
limber kayak
It's restoring 25% of your HP with Holy Revenant, no?
yes and ive seen my health rise granted i think the talent faiths fotitude might be fucking it up ... im stuck atm im usually a veteran main but i completed asll my veteran challanges
obsidian quail
literal dps check
visual stream
Ironhelm -> See fat group of poxwalkers -> Consensual masochism -> Penance done
Shrimple
Or heavy sword
Plenty of things'll do it though
obsidian quail
crucis > ironhelm
misty nova
That extra damage from crucis thunder just for precaution
visual stream
crucis > ironhelm
obsidian quail
the damage is the same no?
the animation of charging is better on crucis thats for sure
visual stream
Crucis has a little more damage on activated and ironhelm cleaves
visual stream
the animation of charging is better on crucis thats for sure
Do you mean the self stun?
visual stream
...
That is what people usually mean
Giving me sass for asking an understandable question
obsidian quail
definition of animation and definition of stun are different
steel agate
Both are animations, only 1 doesn’t stun
visual stream
The self stun is also an animation
obsidian quail
Both are animations, only 1 doesn’t stun
no
steel agate
There’s anims when u get self stunned tho
That’s why he was confused
Cuz he wanted clarification
obsidian quail
are you acting dumb on purpose?
obsidian quail
definition of animation and definition of stun are different
^^^^???
steel agate
I did just get here so I guess that can be considered “on purpose”
obsidian quail
I did just get here so I guess that can be considered “on purpose”
fuck off then
visual stream
No, it was a simple question about clarification and you got pissy for no reason 
Now I know what you mean and the conversation is meaningless atp
median steeple
So hostile jeez
visual stream
Unless you gotta get your day's frustration out a lil more
obsidian quail
yeah, cause gaslighting is not fun
visual stream
Let it out if you need 🫂
obsidian quail
Let it out if you need 🫂
see how this mf is trying so hard to gaslight me
steel agate
It’s less gaslighting and more wanting clarification but sure 
north sedge
visual stream
see how this mf is trying so hard to gaslight me
Find a dictionary, I don't like people who use buzzwords that they don't know
obsidian quail
It’s less gaslighting and more wanting clarification but sure <:Sitgryn:10162694...
merry flume
median steeple
Stunned is the status you get that has an animation to indicate that you have it
obsidian quail
now you're for real doing this on purpose
steel agate
Wtv I said earlier was me gettin into the convo
median steeple
fleet zealot
between this and psyker chat, we are truly peaking as a discord community
north sedge
now you're doing this accidentally on purpose i see, i have no choice but to purposefully misinterpret this conversation by accident
median steeple
what happened in psyker chat
steel agate
Nothin bad just math
obsidian quail
fucking internet people are driving me mad again
median steeple
Nothin bad just math
visual stream
between this and psyker chat, we are truly peaking as a discord community
At least we're not old memes channel
fleet zealot
what happened in psyker chat
the 2+2, 2*2, and 2^2 math
steel agate
fucking internet people are driving me mad again
From our perspective it’s lookin self effected
Or at least mine
fleet zealot
steel agate
Not big enough
visual stream
Never big enough
median steeple
full ferret supremacy
visual stream
I need one for crows
fleet zealot
How big is your ferrets folder ooc?
tbh, do to limited space, a lot of them are simply copied from the source
obsidian quail
i ment that when you click charging, the movement of the hammer in hands is more pleasant for me with crucis mark, than that it would move with ironhelm
fleet zealot
i do my best to bookmark them tho
steel agate
i ment that when you click charging, the movement of the hammer in hands is more...
This is clarification right here, thank you
👏
obsidian quail
and movement of 3d objects is called animation you karkers
steel agate
Spaming the same word tells us nothing but that ur gettin annoyed/angered
So again thank u for your effort
median steeple
ivory marlin
visual stream
https://tenor.com/view/snoring-snoring-aneurysm-brain-aneurysm-brain-aww-gif-256...
That noise is permanently imprinted in my brain even though the last time I heard it was months ago
ivory marlin
I relate to this image so much cuz im just a sad ugly little guy
ivory marlin
Ah ok
steel agate
That ugly is relative, you are beautiful in your own ways 
median steeple
tbf you will always look worse to yourself
our brains are evil when it comes to self perception
median steeple
it's like nails on a chalk board listening to ourselves
visual stream
For me it sounds fine til I hear a recording
royal vortex
i have made peace with my vocal cords
royal vortex
they arent smart or cool enough for that
visual stream
The wires must be removed
north sedge
the vocal chords are the original gaslighters
median steeple
your nerves have poor cable management
royal vortex
shut up carpool
visual stream
The gaslighters were the vocal chords we made along the way
fleet zealot
caption of this ferret image is Frettchen schläft
median steeple
shut up carpool
north sedge
chicken you are on this rice
visual stream
Is this what they meant by Cuban cooking
delicate shadow
median steeple
the C U B E
ivory marlin
tbf you will always look worse to yourself
When i shaved my mustache a few years back i was told by at least 3 peoplei went from a iffy 6 to a 2
ivory marlin
Is this what they meant by Cuban cooking
That looks stan esc
visual stream
https://tenor.com/view/cat-feline-ultrakill-parry-explosion-gif-1353535129896708...
I love robot Ultrakill
elfin steppe
After watching the SM2 leak, I'm actually more interested in DT's new patch.
median steeple
When i shaved my mustache a few years back i was told by at least 3 peoplei went...
ivory marlin
Yeah
spare talon
https://tenor.com/view/nathan-gif-6539816303934641652
numerically accurate meme
median steeple
fleet zealot
north sedge
hushed knoll
Is this what they meant by Cuban cooking
IS THIS METH AND CHEESE
MAC
I LOVE MAC AND CHEESE
north sedge
meth and cheese
ivory marlin
Meth and cheese sounds awes rn
hushed knoll
Dough when did you become Celtic
fleet zealot
meth and cheese
hushed knoll
Meth and cheese sounds awes rn
hushed knoll
Oh my God I hate that so much
ivory marlin
Stan you are german right?
hushed knoll
I am German and American
fleet zealot
american with german heritage
hushed knoll
Why
hushed knoll
american with german heritage
I have dual citizenship
north sedge
median steeple
I hate playing league but man the still here cinematic goes hard asf
hushed knoll
😠
hushed knoll
meant to say no way
I was born in Germany and my dad is German and my mom is American
Then I moved to America at a young age
spare talon
I hate playing league but man the still here cinematic goes hard asf
the only good thing to come out of league
north sedge
arcane
spare talon
i love spotify links sometimes
median steeple
Pentakill is pretty good as well
visual stream
IS THIS METH AND CHEESE
visual stream
https://tenor.com/view/observing-silco-arcane-solution-potion-gif-23704898
Get the groomer off my screen wth
NO HE WASN'T WHAT
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/kisschef-gif-14420933369313685039
DOUGH PLEASE
median steeple
you are the first ever person I have seen to call him that
hushed knoll
Acting Italian is a classic sign of not drinking enough water
visual stream
you are the first ever person I have seen to call him that
But is he not a groomer tho 
misty nova
Silco only wanted the best for his daughter
That's why he drowned her
median steeple
Brother is 0/2 for drownings
misty nova
I mean, baptized
visual stream
Acting Italian is a classic sign of not drinking enough water
My eighth of italian allows me to tap into the ancient art of uh something Idk
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/italian-hand-italy-montoncito-wtf-what-gif-14273561
Dough pleasure
Please
north sedge
woah
median steeple
skill issue genuinely
fleet zealot
I have dual citizenship
my bad
hushed knoll
Ceramics
north sedge
lol
fleet zealot
3 in a row
hushed knoll
Ciapjams
north sedge
Ceramics you are on this rice
visual stream
Ceramics
hushed knoll
I give up
visual stream
Ciapjams
fleet zealot
CIAPJAMS
north sedge
hahahah
fleet zealot
ahahhahahaha
median steeple
visual stream
north sedge
oh you have a date?
median steeple
IT'S TOO LONG
hushed knoll
What
north sedge
fleet zealot
That’s it im putting mayonnaise in my hair
pretty sure for even, home replacements
it's olive oil or coconut oil
not fucking mayo
north sedge
he's convinced it kills lice
visual stream
Coconut oil goated
median steeple
I mean if you were lice it would kill you
visual stream
But is it really worth it
median steeple
drowning in mayo doesn't sound pleasant
fleet zealot
why do you have lice stan?
north sedge
hushed knoll
I use a sunscreen that’s infused with sea plants that smells like foot loops
Fruits
Fruit
median steeple
foot loops
north sedge
stan's gonna follow his nose to some delicious foot loops
coarse birch
stan please do not put mayo in your hair
median steeple
fleet zealot
conch cribs
north sedge
it is not for cinnamon conch cribs
visual stream
stan's gonna follow his nose to some delicious foot loops
coarse birch
lying down makes it worse
hushed knoll
YOWOSHIIII
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/toucan-sam-froot-loops-cereal-toucan-bird-gif-16494682
I KNEW IT WAS FROOT
coarse birch
hi stan
hushed knoll
THATS WHAT I WAS TRUING TO SAY
north sedge
I KNEW IT WAS FROOT
stan he's follow his nose to it
coarse birch
im not counting that i think that was on purpose
visual stream
YOWOSHIIII
Yowoshi, what's this
hushed knoll
im not counting that i think that was on purpose
Of course
coarse birch
nvm
north sedge
woosh
visual stream
There might be a Ross in Ohio Idk
coarse birch
damn he almost ran out of strikes in time
median steeple
new zombies perk just dropped
hushed knoll
There are no strikes
hushed knoll
is that some sort of soda?
You tell me
visual stream
new zombies perk just dropped
Rizz the zombies
north sedge
🤌
median steeple
hushed knoll
That looks like you’re thing to lake the worlds smallest violin
Trying to play
Dough
coarse birch
that is the handsign for that joke
hushed knoll
What joke
coarse birch
the playing the worlds smallest violin joke
hushed knoll
Oh
misty nova
coarse birch
gn stan
hushed knoll
median steeple
recharge your brain
elfin steppe
So I want to do the penance and try to play the knife zealot, i got wrecked so hard
fleet zealot
elfin steppe
its weak AF
delicate shadow
it's meta from what I'm told
misty nova
Make sure you have Uncanny
Sure there's a build without it
But I don't know the details
storm elm
is vet knife play the same as zealot?
I'd say so, yes
I'd argue Vet knife play is even better though, because of Weapon Specialist
spare talon
if so ima fucking love knife zealot
knife zealot plays similarly, but the main difference is youre able to stack such high crit chance to where youre rarely NOT critting
so youre reliably dealing much more damage right out the gate, and can build into things that further increase that finesse damage
visual stream
Plus duellist exists
fleet zealot
and scourge
ivory marlin
knife zealot plays similarly, but the main difference is youre able to stack suc...
damn
elfin steppe
which mark are you using?
fleet zealot
mk3 or mk6 both work relatively the same
mk3 has higher single target but mk6 has something resembling real horde clear
use PAs more
simply put, if the knife doesn't feel good enough, you aren't PA'ing enough
also it's way more dodge heavy vs block/dodge mix that is other weapons
visual stream
Knife PA feels like vine boom
fleet zealot
any tips for using chainaxe?
mk4 heavies and push attacks for horde clear and rager packs, rev'd heavies for single target that you can/want to stun, and light spam for single target without caring about cc headtaker slaught. MK12 lot simpler go thrust+ HT, lights for clear, rev'd heavies for single target, pa is a thrust
placid fiber
Huh a group of randoms helped me get the secret skull on magistrati oubliette tm8-707...
spare talon
simply put, if the knife doesn't feel good enough, you aren't PA'ing enough
use push attacks with knife
please
i beg you
strange totem
Even with body armor, you can't escape englishman
spare talon
i named this knife London Crime Statistics
placid fiber
This one... a group of randos actually did something for everyone since we could all grab it >.>
strange totem
mk4 heavies and push attacks for horde clear and rager packs, rev'd heavies for ...
intresting.. alright then
ill keep that in mind
placid fiber
They weren't the best of randos, as far as skill went... but they were co-operative and helpful, despite their shortcomings lol
I've had to deal with a lot worse of randoms, in the past, so... that was a walk in the park with them lol
misty nova
This one... a group of randos actually did something for everyone since we could...
I remember when I got mine, one of the doors closed but had no collision, so I sat there for 3 minutes trying to figure out why it wouldn't open
ivory marlin
guys vet is actually hella fun
obsidian prairie
Yes
ivory marlin
i kinda wish i didnt take so long to start leveling everything besides psyker
obsidian prairie
What are you running
placid fiber
guys vet is actually hella fun
The only time I have a fun time on Vet is when I play the Vet like a Zealot(aka melee/ranged keystone)
ivory marlin
im currently running a revolver and a knife
placid fiber
I'm also exclusively playing my vet with the full -0.5s stamina regen delay on top of the melee attack speed and melee/ranged keystone...
median steeple
red mesa
and be careful to not hold it a bit too long and accidentally push atk a burster in an extra burster maelstrom. I totally didn't almost die getting myself trapped and doing this today. Nope.
obsidian prairie
I need to get a proper weapon spec build together
placid fiber
What's sad is that I'm stuck with a mk 3 power sword on my Vet, as well...
red mesa
and be careful to not hold it a bit too long and accidentally push atk a burster...
pls excuse my badness it was a moment of derp but a funny clip, i did do well overall in the match! lol
placid fiber
At least I found the combo for elites, with it: Special push attack followed by heavy 1 x.x
strange totem
guys vet is actually hella fun
equip the cutthroat voice and the fun begins
especially if you have the shouting ability :)
spare talon
pls excuse my badness it was a moment of derp but a funny clip, i did do well ov...
i will NOT excuse your badness
eat shit and DIE
ivory marlin
im so fucking dripped out on vet holy fuck
elfin steppe
I think its just the zealot got multiple nerf, so the weak knife build is even weaker now.
south folio
vine boom
south folio
crit builds were stacked before the nerf and god forbid they nerf one of the things that made it stacked
spare talon
I think its just the zealot got multiple nerf, so the weak knife build is even w...
weak knife build?
are you talking about builds that are bad that also use knife
or just saying knife is weak
south folio
i'm more surprised that they didn't gut crit builds earlier
fleet zealot
I think its just the zealot got multiple nerf, so the weak knife build is even w...
Knife was the least nerfed build
fleet zealot
Evi was nerfed the most
fleet zealot
Chsword still has good finesse values
fleet zealot
It was OP and it wasn’t fun unless you are a brainrotted zoomer /j
elfin steppe
weak knife build?
are you talking about builds that are bad that also use knife
...
it feels weak in general
south folio
my brain would make a good slurry
ivory marlin
curse you weapon sway and shitty sights
median steeple
my brain would make a good slurry
fleet zealot
It’s just evi that was the main target chsword still has the crit dmg doesnt fall off in cleaves
obsidian prairie
it feels weak in general
I don't know what you run but my knife build feels like crack
south folio
shlerp
fleet zealot
Hsword and dclaw were hit hardest of them all, and it was indirect
Their ranged option pool is really small now with the fotf change
visual stream
Poor dclaw
spare talon
it feels weak in general
either it just doesnt fit how you play the game which is valid
or youre just flat out not using it right tbh
fleet zealot
Nah
red mesa
it feels weak in general
knife is a contender for strongest melee in the game overall lol. it has 1 weakness and thats it, which can be built around both with blessings or covered with ranged or being 'good enough' when played properly - which is horde clear
fleet zealot
Dclaw still parries
median steeple
nah I'd parry
strange totem
im so fucking dripped out on vet holy fuck
about to pop some skulls in new vegas
obsidian prairie
You basically have to take a Cara melee, or just say fuck it whenever you see a crusher swarm
Laspistol still remains good as a safe bossing tool though
fleet zealot
knife is a contender for strongest melee in the game overall lol. it has 1 weakn...
Ehh i wouldnt say just 1 weakness, lack of on demand group stagger and horde clear makes 2
obsidian prairie
Luckily the knife really likes routing through throwing knives and is covered entirely by flamer
elfin steppe
I just got jumped by a toxic enhanced dog because I couldn't stagger it
its hilarious
spare talon
Ehh i wouldnt say just 1 weakness, lack of on demand group stagger and horde cle...
but zealots kit can easily fill in those gaps with a flamer, and the flamers gaps can be filled in with throwing knives
red mesa
Ehh i wouldnt say just 1 weakness, lack of on demand group stagger and horde cle...
it doesnt need it tho bc of its speed and push atk. you can duel ragers with it so well, and with chastise you can just stagger that way
obsidian prairie
Flamer is so good to knives
elfin steppe
And constantly overwhelmed by hordes in small area
south folio
if only you could make other build decisions to help with hordeclear
fleet zealot
I just got jumped by a toxic enhanced dog because I couldn't stagger it
They are dodgeable
south folio
really makes you think
fleet zealot
Dogs are dodge able now
south folio
do you just purposefully run bad builds or builds that don't suit your playstyle and then complain about them
obsidian prairie
And constantly overwhelmed by hordes in small area
Which knife you run
south folio
because you do this a lot
fleet zealot
Esp with knife
elfin steppe
MKIII
obsidian prairie
Try a mk6
elfin steppe
tbh I only using knife because I want to do the zealot penance.
obsidian prairie
It preforms way better against horde shooter clumps
elfin steppe
I would never touch this weapon in the current game.
obsidian prairie
Heavy 1 and 2 are perfect horizontals
strange totem
is martydom a hidden gem? bearly used it
obsidian prairie
Martyrdom isn't very hidden
visual stream
If knife is weak then thammers are unusable 💀
red mesa
I would never touch this weapon in the current game.
its fair to not like it or think its fun/your playstyle but its incredibly good, not recognizing that is a incorrect judgement call on your part imo but you dont have to like the knife tbh no ones making you lol
obsidian prairie
Its 42% melee power at max stacks
misty nova
Definitely a gem though
spare talon
the mk6 is better for zealot as it trades a little bit of its insane single target for sweeps to make it much more usable in most situations
obsidian prairie
and you can add attack speed and TDR on top of that
elfin steppe
If knife is weak then thammers are unusable 💀
and I haven't seen anybody using hammer for months.
obsidian prairie
It just requires skill to avoid dying to melee damage bleedthrough
red mesa
my beloved hammer still works but is much sadder than it used to be
visual stream
and I haven't seen anybody using hammer for months.
It's a relatively niche weapon yet it does its job nicely. Also last match I played I saw two at once
red mesa
it needs to be better vs groups of elites imo, and i wouldn't even care if they halved the boss damage on it
elfin steppe
It was the most popular melee weapon now it looks like a dead weapon
red mesa
it would still be one of the best boss killing weps in 2-3 hits if setup right and would be better everywhere else
elfin steppe
no wonder Lazzor disappeared
south folio
his cat ate him
median steeple
tragic truly
visual stream
Don't know how crucis fares these days but anytime I see a cruciser in this chat they're pretty die-hard about it
south folio
kill asraval
visual stream
I can personally say helm still fucks
north sedge
his cat ate him
His nutrients shall bring forth the rule of god emperor steve
visual stream
Even if it doesn't fuck as good as the strongest melee weapon in the game ((((knife))))
obsidian prairie
is martydom a hidden gem? bearly used it
At its maximum in Damnation Martyrdom gives 48% melee damage, 24% attack speed (affects ranged) and 30% TDR
Which is insane
north sedge
Knife isn't the strongest
elfin steppe
Try a mk6
I'm not going to spend more resources on weapons when the itemization patch is around the corner.
spare talon
ok but when that patch does roll around
visual stream
Knife isn't the strongest
What would you say is above it?
spare talon
you can try it then
obsidian prairie
Its like a month out, I wouldn't hold your breath too long
elfin steppe
though I can't actually earn any more coins.
red mesa
ive been bouncing back and forth on still using blazing piety, or sticking with inoxerable on knife stealth build, but been playing inoxerable more since the crit nerf. i also started using a knife without uncanny @spare talon i thnk you reccomended and ya its pretty nice, you're right i dont notice the lower crusher kill time too much
elfin steppe
show me the build
red mesa
reposte/precog is nice
spare talon
WE EVOLVE BEYOND THE NEED FOR UNCANNY
obsidian prairie
You also don't need 380 goodrolls to get knife to work, mine has an admitedly high base stat total but dumped finesse and works just fine
red mesa
WE EVOLVE BEYOND THE NEED FOR UNCANNY
i still do like uncanny/flesh tearer tho, its just nice and comfy, but ya i see your way too both are fun
spare talon
yeah if you do go the FT route you do need uncanny in that case
rocky marsh
maniac rager haas more hp than flak rager right?
obsidian prairie
Knife also has a weird amount of build variety for a weapon with uncanny
south folio
same hp
north sedge
What would you say is above it?
Rashad, hsword, many other melee really
rocky marsh
ah ok then funny things i learnt today
Bleed depends on body armour
cknife has better adms against maniac than flak (from testing, not looking at values)
obsidian prairie
I need to get a better HS7
red mesa
oh ya im very familiar, crucis enthusiast here for 200 zealot levels before i got addicted to knife.
nice kill too tho! i just think if they literally halved that boss killing potential, and it still took 2-3 hits, it would be fine still and in trade off could increase its elite killing potential a lot possibly. just an idea for a rebalance
fleet zealot
visual stream
Rashad, hsword, many other melee really
Rashad seems like close to similar damage but then again I haven't used it much. Knife has huge mobility on Rashad though
fleet zealot
Knife zealot vs crusher
spare talon
ah ok then funny things i learnt today
Bleed depends on body armour
cknife has b...
that is correct
fleet zealot
Rashad can cleave 4 elites at once
And 4 bruisers at once
That alone sets it at the top
rocky marsh
Rashad seems like close to similar damage but then again I haven't used it much....
much easier to take down crushers with rashad because stagger
rocky marsh
that is correct
damn a 1.0 for maniac adm...
coral smelt
anoint in blood works on burn?
visual stream
So mb, second strongest melee in the game
spare talon
Knife zealot vs crusher
im convinced youre saying this just to taunt me cuz youve seen me prove its effective
strange totem
Which is insane
insane as in bad or good?
rocky marsh
doesnt hsword lose out against armour
misty nova
anoint in blood works on burn?
If it counts as ranged
obsidian prairie
insane as in bad or good?
Its one of the single highest sources of stats in the game
spare talon
i actually dont know if anoint counts for DoTs
strange totem
" I like your cut g"
BANISHMENT
spare talon
id assume it does cuz dots inherit your blessing buffs but im not sure if this counts cuz its deliberately ranged damage
obsidian prairie
Its one of the single highest sources of stats in the game
This is balanced by missing out on like 34% toughness and 21% hp total in addition to being in oneshot range always
rocky marsh
This is balanced by missing out on like 34% toughness and 21% hp total in additi...
nah you don't get one shot
misty nova
" I like your cut g"
***BANISHMENT***
I have another clip but with the Ironhelm
obsidian prairie
nah you don't get one shot
If something decent bleeds you do
spare talon
" I like your cut g"
***BANISHMENT***
obsidian prairie
I mostly mean HP oneshot, TDR makes that 130 toughness a lot stronger
also Until Death carrying as per usual
obsidian prairie
Super Impact is a great mod and I need to get it
misty nova
Zooming
spare talon
red mesa
show me the build
i dont know if mines the best but ive been using these 2, both feel like good ways to build it.
Stealth with no bleed knife, this is best with good horde clear ranged (flamer, some shotties, i think braced auto can work in a punch to help make space. flamer is best) my perks on knife arent great, probs want maniac or unyielding. 2 different ways to build it based on preference of passives
misty nova
I have another clip but with the Ironhelm
Once you see a hammer one shot, you've seen it all
elfin steppe
i dont know if mines the best but ive been using these 2, both feel like good wa...
You know what, I think I can also use Taxe instead of knife
rocky marsh
i dont know if mines the best but ive been using these 2, both feel like good wa...
i feel critspam feels much better on cknife because you can spam chastise, and can actually 1 tap gunners comsehwat consistently
spare talon
you could
but taxe suffers from an identity crisis
elfin steppe
wat?
fleet zealot
im convinced youre saying this just to taunt me cuz youve seen me prove its effe...
No hippos are deadly
Im doing the opposite
Taxe suffers from being a generalist that sucks ass
Unlike a generalist like crusher or rashad
spare talon
it tries to be a single target flurry weapon like knife, but doesnt have the damage to back it up
it tries to have some horde control, but only slightly more than knife, not enough to be worth literally anything
red mesa
@elfin steppe another way is with chastise instead of stealth, i often rock this one with a bleed knife and you dont feel as reliant on leaning on the flamer, i liek to use multiple ranged weapons with this build
red mesa
i feel critspam feels much better on cknife because you can spam chastise, and c...
cant spam chastise as much anymore but ya blazing piety versions are still very good too, possibly better. ive been swapping back and forth
spare talon
it tries to do too much at the same time, but everything it tries to do it just does worse than literally everything else by miles
rocky marsh
cant spam chastise as much anymore but ya blazing piety versions are still very ...
doesnt really matter, the extra crit you get is worth it.
im running FT riposte so i can 1 tap gunners on crit
maiden path
gooners together strong
red mesa
Good balance is better than enduring faith, if i have to choose 1 right?
spare talon
if its a crit build
always enduring faith
elfin steppe
<@869225759259103282> another way is with chastise instead of stealth, i often r...
thx, but I'm gonna try taxe first
spare talon
50% basically all the time vs 25% only some of the time
spare talon
throwing knives
rocky marsh
50% basically all the time vs 25% only some of the time
ah yeah, crit spam, gives you this as well
wraith cipher
am running knives
red mesa
if its a crit build
always enduring faith
gotcha, ya thats what i normally rock. I was looking at stealth + crit without taking loner and i dont know if its good
fleet zealot
whats a good alternate to the revo
Bolter bolter pistol las pistol
fleet zealot
Mk3 hh and mk7 hh
red mesa
swapping the good balance i guess for enduring
nimble fiber
rocky marsh
gotcha, ya thats what i normally rock. I was looking at stealth + crit without t...
why take stealth on cknife?
Assuming this is for cknife.
rocky marsh
so many nodes wasted tho, and chastise gives you attack speed
wraith cipher
i think mamox is running the builds in the pinned section
rocky marsh
stealth has more downtime as well.
wraith cipher
all them are eeriely close
late plover
Bolt pistol feels a bit slow, but it claps. Heavy las is faster but does not clap.
wraith cipher
mmm but clapping cheeks is the way
late plover
Also maybe I'm just crazy but I swear the bolt pistol sights are off
rocky marsh
Also maybe I'm just crazy but I swear the bolt pistol sights are off
i think its because of the sway, i feel the same.
wraith cipher
same i tried it in the meat grinder
red mesa
i think mamox is running the builds in the pinned section
never looked at it lmao
i just swap things around and try new stuff a lot
this is what i was using for chastise version
late plover
I've had more success hip firing it
wraith cipher
you take so l;ong to recover from the recoil on hip fire
spare talon
gotcha, ya thats what i normally rock. I was looking at stealth + crit without t...
this is what i run, but with +9 stam for curios cuz im fucking insane
rocky marsh
this is what i was using for chastise version
this is what i run
hey cole do i need SA for cknife BPs?
Does SA affect bleed damage anyway
wraith cipher
fuckin bake a cake until my cross hairs reset
red mesa
this is what i run, but with +9 stam for curios cuz im fucking insane
see another stelath knife enjoyerer lol, i just honestly swap it up al the time so i dont really have 1 consistant build i use. ill try this one out
rocky marsh
hey cole do i need SA for cknife BPs?
Does SA affect bleed damage anyway
@spare talon i could get annoint and ptc if SA doesn't affect cknife stuffs
late plover
Hows the flamer these days?
spare talon
see another stelath knife enjoyerer lol, i just honestly swap it up al the time ...
it heavily relies on you just not getting hit at all to begin with
misty nova
Hows the flamer these days?
Killing everything that it's supposed to kill
rocky marsh
hey cole do i need SA for cknife BPs?
Does SA affect bleed damage anyway
cole pls
red mesa
it heavily relies on you just not getting hit at all to begin with
ya exactly
spare talon
<@142046391504601088> i could get annoint and ptc if SA doesn't affect cknife st...
i assume youre using the mk3? i dont know what the bps for it are cuz i dont use that one
but its also like
20% more damage for playing the game 
rocky marsh
i assume youre using the mk3? i dont know what the bps for it are cuz i dont use...
what about for the other cknife?
obsidian prairie
Hows the flamer these days?
Flakshell broiled elites and roasted horde
wraith cipher
fire frenzy or full bore?
red mesa
this is what i run
see part of me feels like you dont need sa or the 10% attack speed, and could pick up SOC, purge unclean or even holy revenant
but maybe those are just my preference
yours is more offensive i guess
spare talon
what about for the other cknife?
i havent checked what its like without it but i reliably kill 2 non enemies with a heavy swing with all my basic stuff stacked
red mesa
ill give your version a try later average player and see how i like it
rocky marsh
see part of me feels like you dont need sa or the 10% attack speed, and could pi...
yeah the SA is what im asking cole rn
if it affects bleed it might lower BPs. going to test it rn
10% attack speed helps in general.
Duelist defo changes BPs (actual 1 tap on gunner, not 1tap with bleed)
wraith cipher
oops theyre different shotgun nvm
red mesa
anyone else like using one of these sometimes with throwing knives? super fun lol
obsidian prairie
I run that as a clear weapon on vet with MF
red mesa
yeah the SA is what im asking cole rn
if it affects bleed it might lower BPs. go...
knife attacks fast enough i find i dont need the 10% atksp especially when using chastise, but i feel you it does feel nice
obsidian prairie
Cone of death
red mesa
ive been loving the double barrel on vet
but i use this to hold scattershot and crit pen stuff with throwing knives too
is fun loll
rocky marsh
yeah the SA is what im asking cole rn
if it affects bleed it might lower BPs. go...
ah SA does affect bleed BPs
obsidian prairie
I like it how the best way to the penance for the extreme precision keystone is a shotgun
wraith cipher
ah, i forget people just dont carry around their weps in their hands all day
spare talon
knife attacks fast enough i find i dont need the 10% atksp especially when using...
i like it cuz the faster i attack = the faster my cooldown is
red mesa
i like it cuz the faster i attack = the faster my cooldown is
ya i guess since the nerf its directly gated by attack speed
true
rocky marsh
see part of me feels like you dont need sa or the 10% attack speed, and could pi...
i don'[t think soc is that good with non wound builds, but yeah PTC is prob a good pick if you don't want SA.
Again, this build is quite tailored for my weapon as well. Im running FT riposte, the FT kills gunners.
If you aren't running FT or SA yeah would be good to pick up PTC.
You should try out my whole build tho :p
Feels good 1 tapping gunners. (Basically, on crit headshot, you can leave them to die)
For secondary I pick up flamer for bulwarks and zombies.
for cknife perks im running unarmoured elite, elite you could change to unyielding or cara.
no point for maniac on cknife imo
coral smelt
anoint in blood works with burn dmg?
maiden path
anoint in blood works with burn dmg?
the mods know
fatshark wont give us the specifics
@ one of them
spare talon
dont
placid fiber
Gotta love the loading screen that doesn't ever end... x.x
red mesa
i don'[t think soc is that good with non wound builds, but yeah PTC is prob a go...
ya just tried the whole thing my knife isnt perfect tho most of my best knives have uncanny locked in but it was good! I did miss critting a bunch i think its more fun than inoxerable honestly
i just used uncanny ft
so slightly less crit but was fine
rocky marsh
i just used uncanny ft
ripsote makes your far more consistent
the 75% crit cahnce isn't that consistent because it won't be up all the time (scourge only lasts like 3 secoonds, and is i think 30% of that 75%)
red mesa
ya, i just dont have a knife with the ability to roll those 2 blessings together unfortunately until unlocks lol
red mesa
ya momentum
i have an mk3 i could setup with reposte/ft
but not a 6
and i have 3 really well rolled 6's
but they all have precog or uncanny locked in
lol
rocky marsh
i think the PA is better DPS wise as well, but 6 has a nicer PA from what i rmb
red mesa
but once i got used to 6 it feels really good
ok ill go back to 3 and try it your way good call
i havent used my mk3 in a bit
zinc talon
++ Y O U R A T T E N T I O N P L E A S E ++
rocky marsh
No
zinc talon
rocky marsh
smelly fart
red mesa
i go back and forth on putting maniac vs flak on this but, i can swap blessings on this for FT, reposte
zinc talon
yknow what you could put on it
a sheathe
and then put that sheathe in the garbage
and bring a real weapon
rocky marsh
i go back and forth on putting maniac vs flak on this but, i can swap blessings ...
you would want unarmoured (at least for my build, reduces bleed BP on gunners)
I would run unarmoured unyielding if i had a choice.
red mesa
interesting
giving up flak maniac is tough tho
i notice the more consistant rager 1 shots when dueling in melee
with 25% maniac
zinc talon
giving up the combat blade entirely is much, much easier
red mesa
and the more consistant mutant kills without having to stab twice
zinc talon
your ancestors will thank you and your descendants will be better people
red mesa
y you a hater tho its so good
rocky marsh
i feel you don't need maniac on cknife.
- because its 2 shot either with the perk or not
- because you will stagger them with chastise then 1 tap them with the chastise buff anyway
red mesa
so much fun too
maiden path
do you guys like comics
zinc talon
it's too frantic for my playstyle
rocky marsh
i notice the more consistant rager 1 shots when dueling in melee
hmm interesting, duelist proc 1 taps rager with the perk?
zinc talon
and jesus god fuck nuggets does it destroy any sense of suspension of disbelief
frosty herald
do you guys like comics
Is that post apocalypse punisher
maiden path
Is that post apocalypse punisher
yes
rocky marsh
nevern oticed because i always cahstised into rager
maiden path
gonna read that
red mesa
hmm interesting, duelist proc 1 taps rager with the perk?
i think so with crit, but just from my passing feeling/memory i would need to test
rocky marsh
i think so with crit, but just from my passing feeling/memory i would need to te...
yeah then could run unarmoured maniac if thats the case.
frosty herald
zinc talon
"that poor eight foot tall ogryn is struggling to beat that heretic eight foot tall ogryn in inch thick metal armor to death! I should zooooooop over there and poke it twice and immediately kill it for him"
red mesa
nevern oticed because i always cahstised into rager
chastise and push atack spam with a heavy attack and dodge outs too, something so satisfying about it even tho i know its risky lol
zinc talon
the reality of it all is
zinc talon
the knife doesn't kill things quickly because it's an effective weapon
the knife kills things so quickly because when you get near them they cringe so hard their neck twists until it breaks
rocky marsh
shut up smelly ogryn main!
maiden path
https://youtu.be/ghabIvklTJQ?si=M382MRxnNOjgcwZu
yea i saw that panel on twitter
and was like
gotta read it now
it looks too cool
frosty herald
Who knew garth ennis could actualy write a good story
red mesa
shut up smelly ogryn main!
you use flamer? i just dont like it, i hate the pull out time. i tend to prefer a shotty or braced auto
but i still use it here or there
zinc talon
darth ennis? is that the new mando villain?
red mesa
its good
rocky marsh
you use flamer? i just dont like it, i hate the pull out time. i tend to prefer ...
about that..
you could cancel the pull out time with a throwing knife.
zinc talon
sir
red mesa
ya true
zinc talon
my mom's couch may pull out
red mesa
just dont always have it
zinc talon
but I do not
red mesa
but i should do that more
rocky marsh
prob reload sprint works as well.
maiden path
Who knew garth ennis could actualy write a good story
he can write.......
most of the time
zinc talon
I have difficulty pulling out of my driveway when I leave in the morning
maiden path
but his most popular shit is so edgy its fun
red mesa
is there a reload animation cancel on flamer like there is on the plasma? ive tried a few times and couldn't tell or figure out if its possible
zinc talon
naw it has tiered reload animations
maiden path
the 2008 punisher is excellent
zinc talon
like the bolter
crisp furnace
Ogryn should get worse dodge linger
red mesa
prob reload sprint works as well.
ya lol, i try to cancel the reload with sprint but wasnt sure if its worth like on plasma with its 3x cancel
zinc talon
you have to interrupt the plasma three times to speed up its animations?
am I understanding right?
both of my veterans are rank 1 underwear models for the cosmetics I buy them
red mesa
going into the push attk from heavy attk spamming on the mk3 knife feels way slower/clunkier than the mk6
placid fiber
Would you guys even bat an eye if you saw something like this, on a malice game? lol
rocky marsh
going into the push attk from heavy attk spamming on the mk3 knife feels way slo...
hmmmm.
Oh yeah one thing you need to get used to is that when you see a orange double line hit marker on a gunner you can ignore him because he will die of bleed
rocky marsh
Would you guys even bat an eye if you saw something like this, on a malice game?...
new character im assuming
placid fiber
new character im assuming
Nah, I just kept the 1st autopistol I nabbed from Melk and upgraded it to orange on this character >.>
placid fiber
Nah, I just kept the 1st autopistol I nabbed from Melk and upgraded it to orange...
I also kept their starting weapons
placid fiber
I also kept their starting weapons
Can't believe fatshark was generous enough to give vets 40% stability for their starter lasgun lol
maiden path
i love media
of all kinds
i am so happy I live in a time where i can easily access music, comics, tv, art
n shit like that
rocky marsh
I also kept their starting weapons
why are you suddenly getting so sentimental
is everything ok
you know if you need help
you could always call
calm salmon
Would you guys even bat an eye if you saw something like this, on a malice game?...
bro I don't look at people's shit in maelstrom
you think I'd give a fuck at malice?
frosty herald
Would you guys even bat an eye if you saw something like this, on a malice game?...
I would cry
ivory marlin
im him
placid fiber
why are you suddenly getting so sentimental
I like keeping the starting weapons on my characters, ever since... quite a long time ago lol
frosty herald
hard nexus
"you guys did well, this is coming froma a zealot main"
from a level 600 ogryn
why did he say that like its a certification
south folio
ogr*n
z*alot
crisp furnace
Imagine spending 600 levels on ogryn
south folio
ah team was majority zealots
hard nexus
uhh
whats the game
gun
rumbler
he ate all of the ammo
i was on red ammo for like 90% of the match
south folio
how'd you let the ogryn disrespect you in ammo pickups
south folio
i disapprove of you, as a not-zealot main
south folio
are the bosses the ghosts in his mind
hard nexus
if he wanted that he shouldve gone gorgonum
hard nexus
how'd you let the ogryn disrespect you in ammo pickups
i was thammer not knife
couldnt beat him to all of them
also i was like
actually fighting the hordes
so he had plenty of time to wander
south folio
should've done the same as ogryn
south folio
and then your other two teammates do the same
hard nexus
and then your other two teammates do the same
i had an ammo crate that i didnt drop for him out of spite
even when i was out of ammo
does that make u proud
south folio
brings a tear to my eye
austere grail
after looking at weakspot % in power DI I decided lacerate isnt bad
obsidian prairie
after looking at weakspot % in power DI I decided lacerate isnt bad
After looking at this message I have decided that you are wrong
austere grail
They hated him for he spoke the truth
hard nexus
After looking at this message I have decided that you are wrong
LMFAO
hard nexus
They hated him for he spoke the truth
to be fair
u should be hitting weakspots
and even if ur weakspot hit rate is like
50%
with a high crit chance, youll still be getting more bleed stacks
while hitting weakspots
hard nexus
its so bidover
spare talon
im sorry mate but thats just you declaring a skill issue
hard nexus
hai cole
u missed out the other day
me dawn yam n someone else
knify wolf
were playing a monstro specials scab only mostly melee
obsidian prairie
Lacerate could kind of work on other weapons but knife is literally the worst weapon in the game to give it to
ripe quest
spare talon
it went so terrible
you told me about it
spare talon
slow down varlet
hard nexus
hadron was invented to counter my method of typing
spare talon
meow systematic racism
frosty herald
Replace hadron with pascal
hard nexus
meow systematic racism
cica said i type in bursts lmfao
hard nexus
Replace hadron with pascal
pasqal
hard nexus
cica said i type in bursts lmfao
i get put on full auto when i have a coherent point to make
hard nexus
now try gambling
spare talon
i got 1 of the 2 things i wanted from that run
austere grail
im sorry mate but thats just you declaring a skill issue
You wouldnt get it..
This is true advanced darktide scholarship
spice flame
First target is dump stat?
obsidian prairie
No
Not in any universe
Especially not on a Brutal Momentum weapon
You want dumped defense
spare talon
First target is dump stat?
first target is just damage #2 on most weapons that come with it
ember yew
First target is dump stat?
free headtaker 3
drowsy steppe
nab the headgivertaker
modern lintel
Explain this in darktide terms
spare talon
Explain this in darktide terms
this is like someone not getting a blessing they need for their build to work
for weeks
not even in a lower tier, just not at all
in terms of actually explaining it
he has to run a pretty tedious mission that takes 5-8 minutes for 2 of the same locked reward, and a decent chance for a pity consumable
then he has to fight a boss that takes about 5 minutes to open up said locked reward
the reward he wanted had a 6% drop rate from the loot pool of that locked thing
if he had a pity consumable, he could consume that to raise that to 10%, and he did often
maiden path
wolverine is so cool
i have to become canadian
and 5'4
goddamn you
why was i made below average height
but not 5'4
spare talon
in terms of actually explaining it
he has to run a pretty tedious mission that t...
if i do the math on this
he spent about 20 hours just trying to get one of the four parts of a character he wanted
modern lintel
in terms of actually explaining it
he has to run a pretty tedious mission that t...
So in sum cock and ball torture the game
spare talon
during this entire time
hes had to sit there and watch me get literally every single character
spare talon
So in sum cock and ball torture the game
like have you played warframe at all
modern lintel
Nah the closest iv gotten to any those type of games wouldve been borderlands if thats even similar enough to be in that league
maiden path
god bless u warframe creators
chat im gonna ned to bum about
uhh
100k?
chat give me 100k.
spiral anvil
100k channel points
spare talon
in terms of actually explaining it
he has to run a pretty tedious mission that t...
this isnt accounting for the pity consumable
frosty herald
Not too fond of grindy korean mmos
spare talon
so far theyve been reducing different parts of the grind from 2-10x each week with new hotfixes
zinc talon
You want dumped defense
on a brutal momentum weapon, cleave targets is the dump stat
prolly not cleave damage tho
yall dumping defense on every weapon you can by default is gonna put me in the grave early
defense is your push cost, your stamina cost in pips per second, your total number of dodges, the speed at which you side/backstep, and the total distance you move when you do
in a word, it's your entire yardstick for nimbleness
well that was six words but shut up
I'm also largely convinced the defense stat on weapons that have it also determines your stamina cost when you actually do block an attack
and since we're on the subject, everyone in the room needs to know
every weapon blocks incoming attacks in a full 360 arc around your character*
it's just, the further the attack is from the direction you're facing towards, the higher the stamina cost to absorb it
and more importantly, like life or death
blocking an attack with no stamina will still block the attack
it just breaks your guard and jostles you
if, you get your weapon, back up and blocking, before the next attack lands
you can also block that attack with 0% stamina, ad infinitum
frosty herald
zinc talon
everyone can use those tricks except yosey might
frosty herald
Sorry that was mean
zinc talon
you're prolly right tho, I say these things to the room but god empra knows how many people see and absorb it
it's just knowing you can block incoming hits with no stamina left will absolutely make the difference between living and dying in the future
everybody on earth thinks blocking is largely useless because everybody on earth except me is blocking the wrong way
frosty herald
The stun from guardbreaking has killed me before
zinc talon
it can I spose
spiral anvil
You don't want to be guard broken in high intensity situations
zinc talon
it doesn't prevent you from dodging I don't think but usually in times like that you're out of dodges anyway
zinc talon
it'll cut the damage from an overhead by like two thirds
frosty herald
it doesn't prevent you from dodging I don't think but usually in times like that...
It does
Your just stunned for a flat second
zinc talon
and pushing with less than whatever it costs to push with your weapon won't stun or stagger
or move anything
so the zero guard block becomes much more less terrible of a card up your sleeve
cuz I want to say your stamina regen ticks immediately on your guard breaking so you'll already have something in the tank
and if any health damage is taken you get instant stamina for the damage you took
so, thing to know like a medbox dropped near a knocked down ally will give them health back
and buy you time to rescue them
astral hound
it's just, the further the attack is from the direction you're facing towards, t...
Did you ever test what direction it counts while reviving?
Camera or character facing?
zinc talon
you mean while in the middle of getting somebody rescued or revived?
frosty herald
Welcome back the big shell from mgs2
zinc talon
you'll auto block any incoming attacks from any direction until your stamina/guard breaks, except ogri can continue to rescue and can even move around once their guard is broken while still finishing out the timer
I'll see what happens using third person camera, to see whether your character turns to face the rescue target
and subsequently changes your ideal block direction
frosty herald
Ogryn is the only one that can revive without having stamina
zinc talon
yep, and losing all stamina while in the middle of a revive actually lets ogri move again while finishing
astral hound
In vt2 at least you had to swivel your cam around to look at enemies that were attacking you while ressing
frosty herald
The sharttide has 360 blocking
zinc talon
for sure, but every weapon had well illustrated blocking angles
beyond that you didn't block at all
in DT you block 360* but side/back hits cost more
astral hound
Darktide has 360° blocking, but the block cost...
frosty herald
in DT you block 360* but side/back hits cost more
What
I have never heard about this
astral hound
Just test it
zinc talon
yeah, next time you have a lone horde mob with you just block and face away
astral hound
I have seen people block in response to a hit from behind before
Only to get pulped by the crusher overhead
zinc talon
ooh that's another life or death'er
zinc talon
NEVER GAMBLE ON A RESCUE WITHIN MELEE RANGE OF EVEN A SINGLE CRUSHER OR MAULER
they can detect your rescue and will prioritize overhead attacks
astral hound
Whackamole crusher lel
frosty herald
Crusher backstabs
austere grail
ALWAYS BIG DICK RESCUE ALL TEAMMATES 100% OF THE TIME
astral hound
Even if you can dodge the guy you ressed has a 1s standup animation
zinc talon
any ability that staggers for even a single second will give you the time to get the rescue off before you're hit
astral hound
@zinc talon can you block during standup/other anims like in vt2?
zinc talon
my shout taunt even will
frosty herald
Just make it a habit to dodge asap when revived
zinc talon
yknow, good question, I'm not sure
I know ladders absolutely will not let you
fuckin deathtraps
astral hound
Never take ladders
austere grail
is it a thing that when you are revived in fire, the burn tick can happen the same frame you are up and it is impossible to dodge out of?
zinc talon
in soviet tertium, ladders take you
astral hound
Always dodge over ladders, don't jump
zinc talon
yep, entirely possible
austere grail
happened to me once
zinc talon
I've seen teammates rescued on their last wound, and killed the same frame
astral hound
If you get ressed in fire you don't get toughness right
astral hound
Hmm
frosty herald
If you get ressed in fire you don't get toughness right
2 ticks of damage before you can move
zinc talon
fire's more uh, interesting now
back in the day the first tick from any burn source used to wipe your toughness 100% every time and do much less health damage
now, it has an exponentially ramping damage
knowing fatshark I would live my life assuming being ko'd or rescued while in fire means you've been taking that ramping up tick to tick increase the whole time