zealot-class

[hushed knoll]

U need to close ur Augies and go sleepyweepy schlafywaffy owo

[median steeple]

Hold on I remembered something

gambling time

https://tenor.com/view/gamble-gambling-flipnote-raxdflipnote-gamblecore-gif-728096753915804447

[nimble fiber]

shit

[hushed knoll]

Peeling fail

Spelling

Why

[nimble fiber]

u reminded me of my gambling addiction

[royal vortex]

peeling fail

lmao

[nimble fiber]

hahahaha

peeling

[hushed knoll]

Can you say a Russian hairdresser is a brushin'

How dare you Asrival

[nimble fiber]

how dare u ston

[hushed knoll]

Spelling fail

[nimble fiber]

nope

on purpose

ston

[hushed knoll]

Why

[solar gorge]

curse of knowledge

now you will drown in green flies

[hushed knoll]

Why would you do this to me

[solar gorge]

i'm ebil

[left iron]

You deserve it

Lawful good action

[hushed knoll]

Lars isn't a druid

LA maze

Lamaze

[north sedge]

what

[hushed knoll]

Lamb fru

Lambda

[royal vortex]

lamb fru

[median steeple]

casted the 8th plague of egypt fr

[north sedge]

lamb fru

[solar gorge]

i have awesome shamanic european powers

[nimble fiber]

ciaphas have u gotten your dd psyker build yet?

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[hushed knoll]

I'm technicaly European why didn't I get any showers

[median steeple]

being made

[hushed knoll]

Showers

Powers

[nimble fiber]

huh

[royal vortex]

ur german u cant say that

[median steeple]

Im stealing from @hard nexus

[hushed knoll]

SHUT UP JOSHO

[royal vortex]

be thankful i didn't go with what i originally wanted to say 🙂

[hushed knoll]

I want shamanic powers

[solar gorge]

u have to come back to europe

[nimble fiber]

pls keep him

[hushed knoll]

WTF

[median steeple]

revive the druidic faith stan

[solar gorge]

he'll get lost in the black forest dw

[hushed knoll]

I could become the next Bundeskanzler owo

[nimble fiber]

I would unalive myself

[hushed knoll]

Racist

[hushed knoll]

Rude wtf

[nimble fiber]

is it tho?

[hushed knoll]

Germans are crying out for a cool leaf

Leader

That could be me

[nimble fiber]

yes we desperately call out for more cool leaf's

thats correct

[hushed knoll]

😒

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/248972334327791616/1264903875211694110/ec6d93205dedc5d42df9a8f903979e36.mp4?ex=669f9108&is=669e3f88&hm=9aa3c527d8ccb7dba2d74b88fa67ddac95c10eacbd59c718b5786c0dde481de2& I have such a mid voidstrike

[nimble fiber]

leafs need to be cooler these days smh

[hushed knoll]

Maybe I will just move to Bielefeld

[nimble fiber]

far enough from me

[hushed knoll]

Oh my God the Mariah machine is broken so now I have to wait like 200 hours with my mom at the doctor's office

[nimble fiber]

then again

[hushed knoll]

MRI

[nimble fiber]

stan how u like australia ?

[hushed knoll]

You mean Austria?

[nimble fiber]

nope

[hushed knoll]

What's the difference

[nimble fiber]

australia

what

whats the difference?

[royal vortex]

the mariah machine

https://tenor.com/view/mariah-mariah-c-mariah-christmas-carey-mcarey-gif-24289056

[hushed knoll]

I heard in Vienna there is like a special desk at the airport for Americans who book flights to Austria instead of Australia

[hushed knoll]

You'd like that wouldn't you

[digital citrus]

I’m having difficulty getting the push attack down with either a knife or axe. Do people use their mouse and kb for it or two mouse buttons? I’m kind of at a loss. Watched enough YT videos and read articles till my head’s about to explode.

[north sedge]

right click then hold left click

[hushed knoll]

Oh it's a myth lol @nimble fiber

[median steeple]

that gif is uncanny

like that isn't real

[royal vortex]

misogyny

[median steeple]

nuhuh

[nimble fiber]

stan isn't real

[median steeple]

just because you're a mom now doesn't mean you can call me that

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-fallout-new-vegas-funny-looping-gif-9366309982747640076

[hushed knoll]

Shut up

[nimble fiber]

josho is a mom ?

[hushed knoll]

Josho was featured on pants mute

[north sedge]

what

[hushed knoll]

Dance permission

Moms

I give up

[royal vortex]

?

[nimble fiber]

ah yes makes sense

[hushed knoll]

DANCE MOMS

[north sedge]

totally

[nimble fiber]

thank u for clarifying

[median steeple]

I still love this mod so much

[nimble fiber]

pls make it way way louder, stop playing the game so u forget u put it on and then come back

[nimble fiber]

have u acquired blair yet?

[hushed knoll]

Ur shelcome I am here tohelp

Welcome

[nimble fiber]

shrimply amazing

[hushed knoll]

No

[nimble fiber]

yes

[median steeple]

I forgo to grind for him

shi

[nimble fiber]

noooo

[median steeple]

I hate how I can't get shriek from prescience

unless im stupid

but yeah it is what it is

[nimble fiber]

I hate how I can't get the reactor I want

just gimme a ultimate burning phase reactor with fire skill, dimension skill and divine punishment mounting....

[hushed knoll]

I read that as Shrek

[nimble fiber]

Im proud of u stan

[autumn shadow]

IDK how this happened

Why is my zealot off center

[hushed knoll]

Cuz he didn't meditate to align his chakra

[hushed knoll]

Are you really?

[spare dome]

pride month

[hushed knoll]

What

[north sedge]

syrian mom comet

[median steeple]

getting run n gun and blazing spirit every roll

[hushed knoll]

You are not a dance permission mom

[hushed knoll]

Sadgery

[hard nexus]

wha

oh

[median steeple]

da psyker build

[hard nexus]

build

[median steeple]

eaten it has

I CANT GET SURGE TO SAVE MY LIFE GUHHH

[north sedge]

true, im a group of them

[hard nexus]

which build r you stealing

do u want me to send u it

[median steeple]

the one you used last night

[hushed knoll]

No

[median steeple]

or dis morning

idk im no time doctor

[hard nexus]

doctor who reference

[nimble fiber]

he also isn't a memory doctor apparently

AAAAAAH game gimme the stuff I want god damnit

[hushed knoll]

[frosty herald]

Ok so

[median steeple]

I just got obliterated by a shotgunner god damn

[frosty herald]

Every time you change your frame the lighting and position is based on your character when it was changed

So you get weird portraits

[median steeple]

punc to DA and Idk for perks since they're both... eh crit to flak imo

I hate perks in this damn game

[nimble fiber]

I hate my rng

[haughty haven]

Psyker gameplay

Kill everyone before they can strip you of your puny toughness room with almost no DR

[rustic steppe]

For stealth do we do Perfectionist or Master Crafted?

[median steeple]

yeah after not playing psyker for an age it feels like playing with a broken keyboard lmao

[vast basin]

When I take stealth I do not take any upgrade node

[haughty haven]

It's so awful yet so good lol

[vast basin]

But perfectionist can do some funny stuff if you go Marty caxe

Like doing boss damage comparable to hammer

[spice flame]

worth getting?

[acoustic dune]

lvew me some finesse

[open pollen]

I hope we get a flail one of these days.

[acoustic dune]

i still want a knuckle duster

[open pollen]

That too

[acoustic dune]

the idea of going full jojo intrigue me

the idea of running into the enemy and punching it till it dies

sound so fucking funny

[frosty herald]

power fist does that but more awesome

have the powerfist laspistol combo

[placid fiber]

but what about if we were to get something like a las minigun, instead?

[frosty herald]

heavy lasgun would go hard

[placid fiber]

Exactly

[frosty herald]

and would serve as a nice alternative to the recon las

[acoustic dune]

i wish that's what the recon gun would act like

for the vet

a man can only wish

[open pollen]

Could work as like, a high stagger/no bleed alternative to the knife. High mobility, assassin flurry with potent heavies.

[acoustic dune]

instead of heavie

the rmb its just that you hold and it punch faster over time

[frosty herald]

powerfist would work better

knuckle dusters dont exist in 40k anymore

too primitive

[acoustic dune]

fine holy fist

we need more primitive

punch with pure faith

[hard nexus]

insane random purg staff in maelstrom

[frosty herald]

some low ranking hive gangers use the but theyre useless for penal legions

[fleet zealot]

gotta burn those crushers

OMG the burn stat too

[open pollen]

Would work for Ogryn, no?

Also, I see powerfist as being its own thing in this case. With one of those fancy activation specials.

[fleet zealot]

💀

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-falling-gif-2829327295667490896

[fleet zealot]

powerfist is only allowed to ogryn in 30k

[hard nexus]

yeahhh

[fleet zealot]

not 40k

[acoustic dune]

where's the ferret post

[open pollen]

But I think Darktide is varied enough to permit multiple types of fist weapon.

[fleet zealot]

blame stan

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/22jumpstreet-channing-tatum-gif-6331882

[fleet zealot]

i'm not a ferret anymore

[acoustic dune]

arlight lads

we are taking his carbonated water

[placid fiber]

what about if you're a um... reptilian ferret?

[fleet zealot]

idk what i am

[nimble fiber]

stan really did a number on your name huh

[fleet zealot]

idk why my name is exceptionally difficult for him i guess

[nimble fiber]

real

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-scream-cat-scream-cat-kitten-scream-gif-4797886964431233753

I HATE PUBS

[placid fiber]

Yeah, bars suck

[acoustic dune]

the lack of ferret in your name

has uh

[fleet zealot]

here is ferret, doing a morning alarm run

[acoustic dune]

could you make your name latin

[acoustic dune]

as a addon

[acoustic dune]

ghost footage

real

[nimble fiber]

beans

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/beanshark-beans-gif-23354879

[red mesa]

I should know this but can't remember, Does +maniac work for both flamers, or only tox ones and regular flamers are flak?

[solar gorge]

they're both maniacs

don't ask why the guy clad in full flak armor counts as maniac

[ember yew]

and why maniacs arent counted as unarmoured

(at least mutant and naked rager)

[west trench]

Rashuns Earned!

[red mesa]

probably bc then you could stack 50% dmg against them, it makes sense to make them a special armor type to me anyway even tho they naked they suped up and resist stuff better

bc drugs

[grizzled aspen]

I think fatshark should make dreg ragers be unarmored instead of maniac for the purpose of nerfing maniac damage and buffing unarmored damage.

[zealous basin]

im boooooored

https://tenor.com/view/domgcat-donkeycat-gif-24380643

[zealous basin]

did they change it?

at one point scab ragers were definitely flak

oh

flamers

reading

[median steeple]

gamble

[digital citrus]

OK, ty on the push attack info. Much better now. Another question - and I do not know what happened.
I had that 'fast forward' ability and then when I chose the talent 'Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude' I guess I lost that or that keybind has changed?
I cannot figure it out. Anyone have pointers on that?

Oh, nevermind - that is the 'Fury of the Faithful' ability!

[lethal lance]

yeah, they're juicers; they're so hopped up on painkillers that it wouldn't matter what you did.

[digital citrus]

Lol - I am trying to actually learn how to play versus 'blowing in there and hackin and slashin'!!!

[lethal lance]

balt salts and meth; gotta kill the brain and even then the fukken... rabies is gonna keep 'em going

[red mesa]

anyone here play mhw?
I just got to master rank killing coral pukei pukei, still kinda a noob just started Iceborne. Thought i had a cool/nifty combo on him at the end. Threaded that needle to hit his head with the true charge slash for the first knockdown was dope lol

sry for the youtube background noise lol

[raven crane]

maniacs are a type of specialist that basically never runs for cover, ever. hence the name. mutants, flamers, trappers. all of them will rush the team to attack.

even though trapper will run away if they miss a net.

[red mesa]

fucking pussies <'murica noises>

[raven crane]

chills, kindred.

[fleet zealot]

imo unarmored doesn't need buffs, infested does

and that can be fixed by adding daemons to the dreg elite roster

[left iron]

You're overcharging. When you see the red flash on the GS charged attacks, it means you're at charge tier 3. If you keep holding, you downgrade to 2 and deal less damage

[median steeple]

my trauma clipped the edge of a barrel and killed me and someone else

my biggest skill issue to date

[red mesa]

ya i did on the last hit i was expecting it to 3 charge and bc i cancelled into it charged up in 2 charges. Still died tho! lol but ya thanks for tip

[zealous basin]

true

what kind of gamble

[ornate bone]

gamba

[maiden path]

sighe longsword user..

ur banned from chat..

leave...

i mean gs

[placid fiber]

Sounds traumatic...

😏

[maiden path]

pick up switchaxe and come bakc 2 me...

ur not ready...............................................

https://tenor.com/view/genji-genji-shimada-genji-cinematic-dragons-cinematic-remask-gif-7868645913078402463

me af

[placid fiber]

Glowy eyes

[maiden path]

nuh uh

he has normal eyes

[acoustic dune]

genji has normal eyes?

wellthere goes my fanfic

i was hoping he has cable or adam smasher type eyes

[frosty herald]

can sm2 release already smhhhh

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-gif-422986456194430824

[frosty herald]

legit me

[median steeple]

real and true

[ornate bone]

Y'know

I do find it quite curious how rotten eggs and corpses both float

What causes the rotten egg to do it?

[frosty herald]

gas

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/gimme-that-taking-scooter-steal-thief-ferret-gif-14327360

[ornate bone]

grand theft auto

throw a brick at the noodle rat

[median steeple]

man voidstrike is busted

[north sedge]

chicken you are on this rice

[placid fiber]

Oh boy, it's grand theft ferro

[solid spire]

this might be the wrong chat for this but does anyone have a non-knife zelot build that kills crushers fast(1 or2 hits)?

[placid fiber]

Why would the zealot build question be wrong in the zealot class channel? <.<

[open pollen]

Hmm. Thammer build?

[ornate bone]

Thunder hammer, technically

Good luck doing it in a timely manner tho

[north sedge]

chain axe

[open pollen]

Chain axe could also work.

[placid fiber]

but yeah thammer, eviscerator, or chain-axe

[fleet zealot]

mk12 chaxe, mk15 evi

[north sedge]

chain axe could work? it's the best at carapace, both of em

[fleet zealot]

you can min max rashad for it but rashad prefers to be cleaving ragers and shit

[open pollen]

Is Chaxe best for cara or are the chain weapons fairly equivalent for that task?

[fleet zealot]

chsword doesn't do cara

[north sedge]

chaxe is stronger than the other two

[fleet zealot]

mk15 needs to chain bloodthirsty procs

[open pollen]

What' s it for then? Unyeilding? I'm not much of a chain guy.

[fleet zealot]

yes and horde clear

chsword normals have the faster chaff clear in the game until you put in bruisers

[open pollen]

Or, does it work like the Ironhelm where it cuts chaff until it hits something?

[fleet zealot]

and their crit dmg doesn't fall off with cleave

no, only evi revs work like ironhelm,

[sterile basalt]

Chainaxe / evicerator

Thunder hammer has loads of conditionals attached to crusher 1 shot without FotF

[solid spire]

i'm running evicerator right now but i'll look up chain ax. is there something specific i should go for on the ax?

[open pollen]

Does chastise crit the big finish on a chain special? Or just the tic damage prior?

[north sedge]

you gotta hit chastise after the attack connects

otherwise it's just the initial hit

[open pollen]

Ah, that's right! Forgot that tidbit

[open pollen]

I think the meta would be something like Headtaker + Slaught, but I think thunderous might help with cara specifically.

[north sedge]

headtaker slaughterer, or thrust slaughterer

[solid spire]

Is either chain ax fine?

[misty nova]

12 for crushers

[north sedge]

4 can do it too

just need a buff or two vaguely up

they both do a ton of cara dmg

[misty nova]

Yeah lightspammer goes vrrrr

[open pollen]

Okay, would thrust apply for the big finish?

[spare dome]

yea

[north sedge]

you don't need to chastise generally on chaxe for that kill

like on a 4 with no buffs up sure

[spare dome]

broadly defining them, the IV uses lights for elites and heavies/push attacks for chaff, and the XII uses lights for chaff and heavies/push attacks for elites

[open pollen]

cor

[north sedge]

you can still use a heavy rev on 4 if you feel it's warranted, it's gonna wreck some shit still

[sterile basalt]

4 is better overall

[open pollen]

As for talents, I don't think there's any geared towards Cara specifically. Duellist might help, Chastize seems the best CA option but I think you could get any of them to work with it. Momentum would probably be the best keystone since you don't need crits and it comes online faster than martyr with less risk.

Does that align with the rest of ya'lls purviews?

[north sedge]

martyr or momentum

chaxe is not a crit weapon

chastise for sure

[solid spire]

ok

[spare dome]

i have a straight down the middle chaxe 4 build

so no chastise

and honestly, dont totally miss it

the lights stagger pretty much everything

and have tremendous damage and base penetration

i find its much safer to just light spam a crusher to death than rev and load a thrusted heavy

[acoustic dune]

evolution

[open pollen]

I mean, you do get a hefty damage boost from Relic so I'm not surprised.

[acoustic dune]

soon we will have furry

[spare dome]

oh i dont use that either lul

dont super love those two effects

[fleet zealot]

drops your dps tho not worth it

[acoustic dune]

question

whats a good melee for vet

[open pollen]

That's the consensus here, but I still consider it a "Safe" option.

[fleet zealot]

psword, rashad, knife, chsword, shovel

[acoustic dune]

love the shovel

[fleet zealot]

except silly things can knock you out of channel before it ends

[acoustic dune]

let me cosplay as a krieg

[open pollen]

Except silly things, that is true.

It's weak to silly.

[zealous basin]

mama mia

https://external-preview.redd.it/KKF0o8ioBXXsP9-Nkt9QptFA8AxdkkGGN83qk7dE-8A.gif?width=480&height=270&s=542acb6b1a4390aff1825274397661a7459ba422

[hushed agate]

Cool gif

[zealous basin]

thx

[open pollen]

I still believe the right call for Relic is fewer, stronger pulses. Knock that sucker down to 3 good un's. Of course, that's if they decided not to do a full rework on it.

[misty nova]

Make it burn things, like warrior Priest

[open pollen]

I would not be opposed to that.

[sterile basalt]

Doubt they’ll be open for entire ability reworks at least before the itemization update drops

[open pollen]

Aye, I would agree. Of course, I've been surprised with how willing they are to properly reworking stuff.

But again, the only real problem they'd need to fix with Smite and Relic is the duration. No one likes doing nothing for so dang long.

So they could fix that with some value tweaks.

[spare dome]

Smite could be fixed so easily.

[open pollen]

Indeed. Realitively low hanging fruit. Like that funky door in the carnival.

Got a Burgle trapped in there and had to listen to the boss music for the rest of the map

So hopefully it'll be one of those "And this" fixes they throw in alongside the big stuff

Of course, for all I know we're the only ones bothered by Smite and Relic and Reddit's all "I love how long it takes, I love not doing stuff!"

[spare dome]

I mean we know this already lol

[open pollen]

This is known, yes

[spare dome]

The loudest voices loooooove smite. And rebolber. Yaddayadda.

Still up to FatShark to make Smite not anemic.

I can't expect self control from everybody.

[fleet zealot]

the consequences of medic tf2 smh

just people who think they should be able to support or healbot every video game

[visual stream]

When there are team-oriented abilities in a team-based game that still encourage inactivity outside of that ability 😲 (smite not included in this comment)

[ivory marlin]

good morning zealot chat (its 3 pm for me)

[open pollen]

Hmm. A compromise might be reversing the "Surpression effect" to start strong and peter out overtime, and have the buffs activate After 3 pulses, or better yet, have them only trigger if you don't use 4 or more pulses so there's some actual decision making.

[spare talon]

new car drop

[visual stream]

Decision making outside of when to use it with relic could be interesting, but I don't think it's ultimately needed because it's nowhere near as bot-mode as smite

You are still playing the game the same way as everyone else like 90% of the time

[spare dome]

Smite is an egregious example, but Relic definitely has issues.

[visual stream]

Compared to smykers' like, 5%

[spare dome]

And they're similar but not as pronounced. Along with different issues that aren't Smite related.

The cooldown on Relic is just hella long, and that you can get thrown out of it super sucks, especially when the secondary nodes only trigger at the very end.

Yet in a contradictory way yellow toughness is so strong that there isn't actually any need to incentivize holding it out for all its pulses.

[merry flume]

retroactively give all knives an offhand pair of brass knuckles, make the special attack do tons more damage if you charge it and land a headshot

ok give me money fatshark

[spare dome]

Just two pulses is plenty, the rest is almost overkill. And TDR is a funny bonus to offer when you're drowning in yellow toughness.

[fleet zealot]

until the crit cdr nerf this absolutely wasn't true and imo it still isn't for any cdr+relic zealot i've seen

they only play around relic

[visual stream]

It's an impactful but high cooldown ability, which I don't disagree with as a concept. But maybe taking off the talent tax of the required upgrade could be a start for encouraging the secondary upgrades. Definitely needs something to make it more encouraging though

[visual stream]

I can't say that I match with relic players often and when I do it doesn't seem like they play like this, but that sounds more like a player skill issue than a problem with the ability imo

[spare dome]

The real elephant in the room remaisn VoC, so.

Oh well.

[visual stream]

I'm sure there are plenty who do play like that though

[sterile basalt]

One day VoC will get cooldown & gold toughness duration nerfed

One day…

[spare dome]

Can't wait. It'll be a salty one.

[visual stream]

I think an impactful enough nerf is just not being able to replenish gold toughness back

That would do it imho

[spare talon]

and watch damnation winrates plummet

[sterile basalt]

Doubt it tbh

[open pollen]

Indeed. The only reasons to do that would be for the CC and maybe to knock a monstro off a ledge. Which is why having the buffs only occur if you dismiss it early might be a neat decision. You can cut your relic short for the buff or keep it out for the CC/Sustain.

[spare talon]

a decent number of vets in normal board damnation are only where they are due to hard crutching voc

[sterile basalt]

Most vets don’t even use VoC as often as they should

[spare talon]

it tends to be used a panic button more that a proactive button

which tbf, i do too if im not gonna lie

[sterile basalt]

That’s only part of the problem

The other part of the problem is that they have bad target priority so they don’t utilize tac awareness CDR enough

[spare talon]

but that typically is because i go "oh shit i forgot im not a zealot, i cant pull this shit off"

[open pollen]

That's so weird, because it's 10x better when you can give all your teammates Yellow. Using it when they're injured seems... suboptimal. Relic's better for healing toughness, Voc is more a pre-battle buff.

[sterile basalt]

A mediocre veteran is one who gets specialist kills poached by teammates that he doesn’t get CDR to spam VoC

That happens more than “panic VoC save”

[spare talon]

i will say that the revive shout, setting how good yellow toughness is to the side, is very good for vet to have

[ivory marlin]

they should ad excal prime back

only for me tho

he had a 0.03 pick rate last year

[sterile basalt]

If the revive sub node didn’t have 3 major downsides attached it’d be fine

[open pollen]

The radius reduction scares me a bit.

[spare talon]

vets have the lowest clutch potential, and having a button they can use as a "no thanks, you clutch this for me :)" is valuable when a normal rez isnt viable

[sterile basalt]

If it was 1~2 major downsides it’d be good

[open pollen]

I like big radii and I cannot lie

[spare talon]

but compared to the other node, i do agree that overall it does fall behind

[sterile basalt]

That’s more personal bias than anything

[open pollen]

Ah, I normally rock the other revive talent. The one that gives you a ton of buffs.

[spare talon]

and yes the downside than anything

[spare talon]

i ran that one in the pre keystone patch

with an infiltrate build

[open pollen]

They should make it so that the CD increase only happens if you successfully revive an ally.

Hell, I'd take a 100% CD debuff if it only occured when I do a revive.

I'd rock both nodes then

[spare talon]

i mean when you read a situation, typically one where someone is unable to be picked up is one with lots of adds and elites at the same time
zealot literally could use twbs and until death to force the rez regardless what happens, but have lots of other tools like a quick charge for a stagger with extra stam to cover the hits theyd take at the end of the rez, chorus for big stagger for the rez, or just invis
ogryn is literally ogryn
psyker has plenty of tools to either kill everything instantly or leave then unable to harm you, shield, should, trauma, etc
vets just have much less options than that in my opinion

vets do have both frags and infiltrate
but do you see any vet capable of a clutch running those on the regular

[open pollen]

Also, back on zealot for a moment, can we all agree this node is silly?

[surreal shore]

Hey guys what's the argument of high voltage vs lighting reflects ?

[spare talon]

yes

[spare talon]

best in slot

[spare talon]

both of them

[sterile basalt]

I thought u meant clutching in general, not just getting a revive off

Mb

[surreal shore]

Wait not skull crusher ???

I thought skull crusher was the best in slot

[spare talon]

it doesnt have as much weight behind the swing to make it as powerful as it is on say the crusher

[surreal shore]

But then you decide between those two

[sterile basalt]

Lightning reflexes is high utility, skullcrusher hits harder than high voltage with lower uptime

[open pollen]

Litterally only CA with a tax node.

[surreal shore]

I see okay

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1256156049602510849/Darktide_2024.06.25-23.14_1.mp4?ex=66a00abc&is=669eb93c&hm=8ecb8ddb5fa5d996e0ce2e7922628034589fab24105800fa0678f45078a13248&

high voltage

damage difference, 0 talents so you can see it clearly

[obsidian quail]

balance, the ability is to strong to have just 1 point

[surreal shore]

I see okay

[nimble fiber]

[spare talon]

it has double the cd of other abilities and also renders you unable to do anything but wasd during its duration

[surreal shore]

The only thing I don't like about lighting reflex is that I don't block

[obsidian quail]

and?

[spare talon]

vs VoC which is instant, and can be done WHILE CHARGING A HEAVY MELEE and has half the cooldown

[surreal shore]

I only block with devil claw parry

[median steeple]

I see we're back to the voc debate that happens every week

[surreal shore]

Isn't it only half the toughness ?

[obsidian quail]

we're in zealot channel, bruv

[surreal shore]

Also doenst give damage bonus to their team ?

[spare talon]

half the over toughness, but the existence of the overtoughness is the most important part

[surreal shore]

I see okay

[sterile basalt]

Amount of overtoughness doesn’t matter much, it’s just the state of “having overtoughness” that matters

[surreal shore]

I still think this ability is more fun

[open pollen]

Now I disagree, since it's the stagger that makes the ability silly safe. Being able to bypass that would allow a skilled zealot to trade safety for an extra point to spend elsewhere.

Alternatively, just make the base ability weaker and add what you cut off to one of the nodes.

[surreal shore]

Specially with flame grenade

[spare talon]

you need to spend the red and blue node to get the damage bonus

[obsidian quail]

i never use side nods

[surreal shore]

Wait swear isn't the VoC also have a node tax for over toughness ?

[spare talon]

its not unreasonable to compare the 2 only abilities that give overtoughness to one another

[spare talon]

it does but its off to the side, not actually mandatory, but by that point its already better by comparison

[obsidian quail]

both abilities are good

[spare talon]

for relic you dont get a choice

[obsidian quail]

and you dont have to choose anyway, cause they are for 2 different fucking classes

relic is banger

[fleet zealot]

voc is an instant knockdown that lets you keep shooting

[open pollen]

... Kar are you feeling alright?

We're talking about why Relic shouldn't have a tax node.

[fleet zealot]

relic is the equivalent of pulling out a bible in a gunfight

[spare talon]

id also say the other two abilities zealot has are innately just as strong as chorus on their own
but they dont require you to take an extra node that does literally nothing you care about

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/faith-cross-sign-game-horror-unholy-gif-26976630

[obsidian quail]

hiding your insult huh

[fleet zealot]

if relic pulsed slower but didn't take up your action i would be fine with it

[open pollen]

No insult intended, it just seems like you said something nonsequitur.

[spare talon]

optional node that allows us to attack during the pulses please

[obsidian quail]

whatever, i see people throwing smokes once a week, so ill just think you dont know how to balance this game

[fleet zealot]

no not optional

you must play the game

[acoustic dune]

i love the relic pulse

make me feel like time stop

[obsidian quail]

this arguement is pointless

[acoustic dune]

feel like playing dio

brando

the world

[obsidian quail]

it is a time stop, but AWWWW 2 POINTS FOR IT IS TOO MUCH AWWWWW

[acoustic dune]

aint complaining for it

[open pollen]

It wouldn't be a time stop if it wasn't for the tax node though.

[acoustic dune]

if it let time stop

2 point is pretty cheap

[obsidian quail]

yes and?

[median steeple]

honestly making relic a single cast that just flashbangs enemies in an area would be peak ngl

[acoustic dune]

i like the duration

let me walk

[obsidian quail]

b-b-b-but the VoC does the same!!!!!!

[spare talon]

its an ability changing node
but you dont get a choice in the matter, you have to take it

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-gif-25836431

[visual stream]

The revive node would be much more worth taking if the radius of every part of the ability stayed the same except for the revive radius

[obsidian quail]

you have to spend 2 point to get this absolute banger of an ability

its called balance

[acoustic dune]

2 POINT FOR TIME STOP

JOJO

[obsidian quail]

alright whatever fr this time

[median steeple]

Except VoC only stuns for like half a sec, what im talking about is like 2-3s of stun (might be overtuned in an actual game)

I hate vet tree sometimes

[open pollen]

And you said it should have a tax node because its a time stop, but if we didn't have the tax node it wouldn't be a time stop. Ergo, balanced.

[median steeple]

why do I need to take a fucking stam node

[obsidian quail]

then it would be just VoC but for zealot and people would say "bruh lazy obese shark"

[open pollen]

Voc has innate knockback and Relic without the tax node wouldn't.

I'd say it'd be different enough for sane folks.

[obsidian quail]

then we would have +10 extra toughness for use and 1 weak knockback

aw ffs

[open pollen]

And we'd still have the node you just would be able to ignore it if you wanted.

[obsidian quail]

so good that devs dont listed to people this much

like devs dont do testing, dont tweak their own ideas

nah, some random guys from discord know better

[spare dome]

have you been hitting the pipe again

[obsidian quail]

i just hate when people behave like idiots

really hate it man

[spare dome]

i suppose we would need an expert weight in on that

[obsidian quail]

i just would like to hear from the testing team why they chose to give the Chorus 2 points

they definitely would say "balance" but still

[spare dome]

on paper chorus is the strongest thing in the game

in game it doesnt quite play like that

thats really it, it just hasnt been iterated on since they added it

[obsidian quail]

yeah maybe try to use it with a team not full of morons

[spare dome]

when you look at an ability that 'potentially' gives you 20% damage/TDR, 100 overtoughness, and almost seven seconds of pure crowd control and stun immunity

your brain is gonna be like, whoah thats crazy strong, it has to be expensive

[obsidian quail]

your team is supposed to use this time to kill

[spare dome]

in reality 'crazy strong ults' are just creeping flames shout, gunlugger ultra shootyman, and VoC

[obsidian quail]

and this is why its strong

this is why this game is coop

[spare dome]

so its an incredibly top heavy ability

and its made top heavy for stats that are not relevant currently

[obsidian quail]

and this is why 2 points is alright for it

and some individuals say its too much, should be 1

[spare dome]

yeah cause it is, lmao

its the only mandatory two point investment ult in the game

yet its not even in the top five ults

[obsidian quail]

if your team is not garbage its in top 5

[spare dome]

if your team is not garbage then you dont even bring it

because its not top 5

[visual stream]

Why is there a Reagan movie coming out soon painting him as a good person

[spare dome]

look up manufacturing consent

[median steeple]

who made this

shit sounds awful

[obsidian quail]

i have a feeling that if an ability requires teamwork, its automatically bad for 99% of all players

[spare dome]

only because of the state of the game currently

[obsidian quail]

everybody needs to be self-sufficient and optimizing everything

[spare dome]

thats why you cant just look at these things in a vacuum

the team-based ults are 'bad' because the 'selfish' ults already outperform the DPS game entirely

[obsidian quail]

nah cause this https://youtu.be/QFgcqB8-AxE

[spare dome]

buddy

im really sorry that you were dropped

[visual stream]

Ronnie when my piss trickle-down's his grave

https://tenor.com/view/scared-uh-oh-looking-up-gif-18795702

[median steeple]

him in hell waiting for heaven to trickle down

[obsidian quail]

i enjoy being useful to my team, the majority unfortunately doesnt

[spare dome]

and i wish those ults were better so that doing that felt better

[obsidian quail]

its all about dps bla bla bla

kill fast kill right now

[spare dome]

why is everyone in this fast lane driving so FAST

[obsidian quail]

its like in POE, if you dont clear a map for 5 seconds you are bad

[spare dome]

correct

[obsidian quail]

and your build sucks

optimizing optimizing optimizing

just fuck these people man

[spare dome]

so until thats no longer incredible trivial to achieve and survivability isnt just "did Veteran bring VoC", this is where we are

and you're here saying

to not buff the thing you enjoy doing

because i guess, i dont know ,yell at cloud?

[obsidian quail]

wtf, im hearing enimen from my street

its almost 1 am

whatever

ill continue bringing Chorus on zealot

and full smoke on vet

cause i care for my team

[spare dome]

doesnt really sound like you care about your team

[obsidian quail]

and killing that one poxwalker these stupid idiots didnt kill and walking to hit their backs

[spare dome]

but i dont think the youtube link you posted earlier is tasteful enough to relink

[spare talon]

like both have the same effect, same cost but one is better with more pros and less cons
and we want that one to be brought down and the other to be brought up
to match the amount of pros and cons they have

[fleet zealot]

you know you can also help your team

[spare talon]

i want relic to be buffed

[fleet zealot]

by killing as much as possible

[spare dome]

oh no, you done did it

why done you did it now

[fleet zealot]

want relic shot in the back alley, twice in the chest and once in the head

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-brick-parry-gif-27597104

[obsidian quail]

yeah, i already see psword + plasma idiots pretty frequently, they die first all the time

[median steeple]

it's so sad relic committed suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head 5 times

[rocky marsh]

Imagine, chain knife.

[spare talon]

i do not want to see bloodletter lacerate

no

[misty nova]

No way, Relic discovered the cure for a disease

[frank night]

[north sedge]

chicken you are on this rice

[fleet zealot]

relic whistleblew on boeing

[acoustic dune]

what is this smug aura

[hollow dove]

I haven't played in a long time.. They killed chastise kantrael shotty vs crushers? D:

[spare talon]

chastise no longer has ranged armor downgrade for all weapons

[hollow dove]

gross

and the crit cd redux shit has been nerfed? I don't think I've seen it tick down multiple times in a swing

[stable cypress]

yes

[hollow dove]

💀

there goes my fav claw build

[fleet zealot]

it's still a good build lol

you just don't get to cast every other swing

evi got hit the hardest from it cause evi isn't a finesse weapon

[crisp furnace]

Right I have made my worst build yet

Relic no buffs

[naive stirrup]

melk is selling me this rn

[spare talon]

no build you could possibly make

could be worse than my bestest build

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-caption-meme-snap-insane-gif-23429295

[median steeple]

bee shaker

[reef sky]

Is there a pretty widely-accepted place to find builds, or am I just better off asking here on discord?

[spare talon]

youre better off asking here

we dont have a dedicated build guide or anything, the only guides we have are basically nerd documentation or guides for only a select specific weapons

also clicking to see what a gameslantern build looks like is like pulling a slot machine where its anywhere between serviceable to "im pretty sure this person has never played a video game ever"

[acoustic dune]

also we do drip review

so post your fit

[reef sky]

both of these answers are making me nervous

[spare talon]

zealot build crafting is very easy though

not psyker easy, but still easy

[reef sky]

i've only been playing like 10 hours and i just took the first build off of gameslantern

[acoustic dune]

do cocain

???

profit

[spare talon]

if it said zealot meta
it certainly is not meta

[acoustic dune]

it's as shrimple as that

[reef sky]

[visual stream]

You know what they say about the CIA's award for excellence in journalism

[reef sky]

any recommendations for a build for beginners?

[spare talon]

the easiest way to make a build is to pick a melee weapon you want

and the skill tree kinda starts to make itself from there

[acoustic dune]

use a knife

[reef sky]

i like the cadia XIII chainsword a lot. is that any good?

chainswords are neat

[visual stream]

Knife will let you never get hit by anything other than ranged trash firing squads

[reef sky]

does it matter which knife?

[visual stream]

Who needs dodge count when sprint during heavies dodges everything anyway

[acoustic dune]

well one had a wide area heavy

[acoustic dune]

amen brother

[spare talon]

the chainswords have amazing horde clear, while still having good single target from the revved attacks, so yes

honestly most weapons on zealot are great

theres only a small handful of underpreformers

[visual stream]

What does chainsword do that evisc doesn't again?

[acoustic dune]

behold

my cocain build

[visual stream]

I forget why anyone on zealot would consider taking chord over evis

[spare talon]

chainsword leans more to horde clear, and also is a finesse weapon

[visual stream]

Oo gotcha

[spare talon]

i also recall crits on it having really good cleave scaling, i think it was something like the crit damage having no fall off during the cleave

[fleet zealot]

yep

[acoustic dune]

btw local ferret poster

what does the name mean?

[reef sky]

these are my two best weapons. anything useable?

[obsidian prairie]

Replace mercy killer on that knife with Precognition or Riposte

[spare talon]

while crit damage is still only a part of the damage total
when you look at how much the total weapon damage ends up falling off for every weapon after a few targets, that crit damage ends up making it have one of the highest total cleave damage outputs in the game

[obsidian prairie]

Also crit chance with flak

[spare talon]

id say riposte on that knife if youre still getting used to it

precog requires a bit more finesse (funy joke)

[spare talon]

also @reef sky if you gleamed what i meant from the first part of this, its useful to know

the perks that affect crit damage and weakpoint damage

only increase the additional damage from hitting the head or crit, not the total damage of the hit

so if you hit for 100 and crit for 150, its not 165 with the perk, its 155, cuz 50 is the crit damage increase

[reef sky]

oh, so it only increases the bonus dmg

[polar nexus]

chword 4 H1 dmg profile

that flak adm is

[spare talon]

yeah so it ends up not doing nearly as much as it reads like it does

[reef sky]

so the ideal is crit chance and then enemy dmg

[visual stream]

Complimented by a motherly black woman, day made

Has anyone tried Dungeonborne

[spare talon]

with crit chance being 5% at most on a perk, thats 1 in 20 attacks

thats just not that much at all

so even on crit weapons youre better off just going for another enemy damage at 20-25%

[reef sky]

oh, so eventually down the line i'll need a new knife entirely

[spare talon]

plus zealot can get up to like 75-80% crit chance from the tree with ease

that 5% pales in comparison

[reef sky]

that makes sense.

[naive stirrup]

she didn't brick it let's GO

[spare talon]

@left iron

[reef sky]

no good with the chainsword, though? shred is cool and I was hoping to get bloodletter on it and really rip

[polar nexus]

on a 13 you want either rampage wrath or shred wrath

[spare talon]

if its a crit build, shred is always the go to

[naive stirrup]

and now i need to replace trauma and the +2 stam

no idea with what tho

[polar nexus]

unyielding

[spare talon]

headtaker/slaughterer

and unyielding

[naive stirrup]

going for the boss one shot. headtaker or slaughterer for that?

[polar nexus]

thrust is one doing most of the boss dmg

[spare talon]

headtaker, but the window to have max stacks of that and land the hit are very slim to the point where it rarely happens

like ive never pulled it off

[reef sky]

I assume a shroud build would prefer the knife and a chainsword or thunder hammer if i wanted to play with the charge instead?

I was hoping to try both styles

[spare talon]

so they are more for consistency outside of bosses

[naive stirrup]

good to know

i know nothing about hammers

[polar nexus]

chain weapons do not benefit from shroud the same way they do from fury

with fury you do : rev > hit > ult, so that the crits will affect all the ticks

you cannot do that with shroud

[reef sky]

what would be a good talent loadout for each build, if i could ask?

[ornate bone]

Depends on what is "each build", I guess

[polar nexus]

you can do shroud with whatever, it's also a utility ult

[reef sky]

sorry, i meant a shroud build for the knife, and a fury build for my chainsword or a thunder hammer maybe

[visual stream]

What do you wanna know about em

[naive stirrup]

mainly just what build would be useful with em

[spare talon]

the first thing to know is that you want the 13% damage roll on crucis he has in his pfp

[naive stirrup]

normal build is fury + momentum

[visual stream]

Yes

[naive stirrup]

oh that just works?

[visual stream]

Shroudfield is for meme boss one shots but that is mostly a meme

You want TDR aura preferably

I assume you're using the ironhelm you posted?

[naive stirrup]

ye

[visual stream]

Do like they said except for the perk, you can additionally change it to elite damage as well as unyielding depending on preference

[spare talon]

this
its not easy to pull off and basically does very little outside of that situation

[polar nexus]

i use that base for my shroud knife build

[hollow dove]

is there a point to shock maul mk3's special atk?

[visual stream]

Bosses will still go bye bye faster than just about any other melee weapon even without unyielding. I prefer elites because it helps me kill ragers, maulers, etc in less thrust/ht/slaught stacks

[naive stirrup]

there's 2 of those
assuming you mean benediction though

[red mesa]

gs is the goat what do you meannnnn
dont worry my other weapons are longsword, hammer and switch axe lol
greatsword supremecy!

[reef sky]

recommendations for the 30th talent point?

swift certainty maybe?

[spare talon]

it staggers everything short of mutants and bosses for a decent while while adding a dot of about 80-100 dmg for a few seconds

[polar nexus]

good balance is good

[hollow dove]

So what's a practical usecase for it?

Staggering a reaper?

[polar nexus]

and you can do swift certainty if you want to triple down on mobility

[red mesa]

ironhelm > crucis these days, right?
Whats the best build for it, is martydome wound build good with it, or just go blazing piety or momentum?

[hollow dove]

i think you can stagger warks already with just heavy attacks?

[reef sky]

is retributor's stance good, or if i'm in a situation where the toughness matters i'm already in trouble?

[spare talon]

stunning a crusher so you can wack its face repeatedly
bonus points if you have high voltage for the damage bonus since normal attacks wont electrocute crushers like they will on human sized enemies

[proud scroll]

What do I do with this

[hollow dove]

nah i use these

lightning reflexes kinda goated on dogs, maulers and ragers

[spare talon]

the effect happens too rarely for it to be useful

[red mesa]

i have this same issue with it, usually in auric its too hot to sit there and let it zap a single guy for a few seconds, i never find a good use for the special outside of maybe bulwarks

[polar nexus]

it's bad because you have no control over it, you want second wind

[spare talon]

you could proc it with 15 stacks while at max toughness, then take the hit, now you need all your stacks to wear off so you can proc it again

[polar nexus]

and you want to be a 15 stacks all the time

[spare talon]

which is what the dodge talent is for

[polar nexus]

also, second wind will give you toughness on dodges

[spare talon]

literally every single one of zealots on dodge talents are fucking busted

[polar nexus]

swift certainty will help you sprint harder, and you get double stacks while doing so, but it's nice, so i use it with high mobility weapons

you're better off using good balance most of the time

[spare dome]

ah yes, sprinting 10% harder

coincidentally exactly the same as sprinting 10% faster

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/stronger-faster-earworm-gif-9988343

last daft punk album was 11 years ago, sadge

[spare talon]

you can make it to where you get
3+ stacks of momentum (potentially more if it dodged multiple attacks, this is the only dodge talent that does this)
+25% dr
15% toughness restored
+50% crit and weakspot damage
-75% spread and -50% recoil for your guns
from one (1) dodge

[polar nexus]

inb4 dodge nerfs

[spare talon]

i think id kill myself

[hollow dove]

zealot really doesn't need any more nerfs 🥲

[spare dome]

imo, buff martyrdom

because itd be funny

[obsidian prairie]

Give it 5% move speed a stack

[spare talon]

PLEASE

[polar nexus]

i would trade dr for move speed

[spare talon]

id love to try martyrdom for real

cuz i just dont vibe with it atm

[obsidian prairie]

30% move speed would be insane

That knife heavy levels right

[spare talon]

itd be amazingh

lacerate would probably be screaming in joy

cuz hed finally be justified in running marty knife

[obsidian prairie]

Martyrdom knife being the fastest thing ever fucking seen

[spare talon]

is that a bird?

is that a plane?

no its a martyrdom knife user with 3 hp!

[acoustic dune]

how scary are they?

[obsidian prairie]

A random bruiser around a corner about to down them while they are like half a map ahead

[spare talon]

they would be very scary if the idea of 5% movement speed per wound was real

[visual stream]

Both gud, ironhelm is a way better generalist which makes it technically better in most situations though. And also any keystone BUT blazing piety works. Hammer crits are doodoo

[polar nexus]

everything here affects mobility (mvmt speed, sprint stam cost, hidden buffs to dodge distance and reset - forgot the red around momentum)

it is quite possible to take most of them

[visual stream]

I prefer inexorable

[acoustic dune]

mmh zooming across the map sound so enjoyable

[visual stream]

Please don't be one of those knifelots

[spare talon]

hammer crits are bad when youre relying on the chance for them
but when youre damage stacking and using an ability forced crit, the shitty crit scaling suddenly isnt so shitty when its scaling off of a quintuple digit attack

[acoustic dune]

arleady am

sadly

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-this-sucks-danny-devito-crying-danny-devito-crying-gif-17572436979456810284

[acoustic dune]

the cocain type gameplay attrac me

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[acoustic dune]

catch me first

[visual stream]

Still gets outweighed by both other keystones consistently, or at least IJ, no?

[spare talon]

yeah no i wasnt disagreeing with you on piety

thats ass with thammer

[visual stream]

Ahhh gotcha

[polar nexus]

use martyr or momentum, and an ult for crit on command

[spare talon]

i was just saying that like a 1.1x or so crit multiplier (idk what it really is) suddenly stops being so bad when its 1.1 * 12643 when you force it to happen with an ability

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/hakandbobr-darktide-hak-gif-4835721721778289528

[acoustic dune]

but seriously

i do love zooming around the map

hitting that sniper in the back intrigue me

and or stagging the group of gunner

shroundfield is wack

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/2014-gif-22209405

[acoustic dune]

fucking tzench

[visual stream]

LMAO

Has anyone else experienced the new map with an extra barrels mael modifier

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-soldier-boy-jensen-ackles-the-boys-mad-gif-25984345

[visual stream]

The beginning segment is a fucking horror game

[reef sky]

any recommendations for a fury talent loadout?

[spare talon]

fury of the faithful or blazing piety fury>

?

[reef sky]

the charging one

i dont know everything by name yet sorry

[spare talon]

fotf is the most always useful ability regardless of anything

[reef sky]

agree, it feels really good to press a button and just GO

[spare talon]

youd have better luck asking for a talent set up for hitting enemies with a melee weapon

cuz thats more specific than what you asked lmao

[clear knot]

any gamering gamers?

[reef sky]

something general purpose that works with a chain sword? ideally easy to play

[acoustic dune]

yeah

[ornate bone]

BIDEOGAME

[acoustic dune]

VIDYA GAME

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Three toughness curios or two toughness curios with one hp or wound, wound not recommended but has rare value

Since chord can kill anything, you could go most ranged weapons and be fine

[clear knot]

2899357799 fs code if you wanna join

[spare talon]

i dont use chainsword but it is a finesse weapon which is where most of my build knowledge is
but anyone who is a chord chap can comment on this build im sending for them

[visual stream]

I'm sure any of the three keystones work fine for chord

Martyrdom maybe the least desirable option? Unsure

[spare talon]

i think piety will work well since they want to use fotf often, plus it has very good survival consistency with enduring faith

[visual stream]

I probably would take stun nade path but second wind is nice to have for a beginner

[reef sky]

this is my only good ranged weapon rn, but i love it

[spare talon]

this is actually great

when you get it, you can put surgical over point blank

as that allows you to basically ensure crits

[visual stream]

Kind of close to perfection

Not perfection but very good

[spare talon]

and even if you dont actively force it, youll literally accidentally get 20-40% crit chance just from the time spent aiming

[hollow dove]

I am running this altho I don't really use chsword, rn I'm shock maul gaming

[reef sky]

since i only changed one of the blessings, should i change a perk or better to try and get two level 4 blessings?

[spare talon]

yeah no that gun will do you well for a really long time
zarona is one of the best zealot weapons hands down

[spare talon]

@reef sky

[reef sky]

got it

[hollow dove]

tfw no good zerona D:

[reef sky]

there are two thunder hammers, is one much better than the other?

[clear knot]

go crucis

iron helm really isnt anythign special it can just cleave with its special activation

[visual stream]

Both are good but ironhelm is a very, very good generalist with good skill expression combo-wise

[clear knot]

where as crucis doesnt

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Crucis can be summed up as better mauler one shots and better boss damage

[clear knot]

why would i special to one shot a mauler

just use ur gun

like u should anyway

like with ragers

[median steeple]

cool factor idk

[obsidian prairie]

A flamer isn’t known to have good damage against maulers

[visual stream]

Maulers are a valid thammer smack enemy

[hollow dove]

using guns against ragers is such a no shock maul moment

[spare talon]

wrong it treats them as flak

[clear knot]

im being trolled

[spare talon]

if theyre grouped up it nukes them

[clear knot]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[obsidian prairie]

Yeah but they still have a shit ton of health

[median steeple]

why'd it bend like that

[visual stream]

If you say so

[hollow dove]

lightning reflexes zoe mate

[obsidian prairie]

I am not dumping a tank against like 2 maulers when I can oneshot them

[hollow dove]

:3

[clear knot]

i made this a pun in my head

[spare talon]

crucis is the harder hitting one with an easy as fuck attack pattern, but is a little unwieldly due to the activated hit going off on the first thing it hits, even if its not what you wanted it to be
ironhelm has more complicated moves but are more effective in more situations compared to crucis when used correctly, and the special will cleave through stuff till it hits an elite or similar enemy, which tends to be what you actually want to hit with those, but this quality of life does come at the cost of less damage on the big hits

@reef sky

[median steeple]

hmmm time to power level my psyker since i hate myself

[reef sky]

does either one of them match with my revolver better than the other?

[obsidian prairie]

Ironhelm also looks better without skins

[visual stream]

The less damage part again, pretty much only comes into play against bosses most of the time which still get

[clear knot]

feel like im with a bunch of yamatoes

[spare talon]

i am unbiased between the two and am just stating facts

[median steeple]

nothing it gonna match the revolver bro, it's just broken

[spare talon]

i hate using both just as much

[visual stream]

I'd say helm because revo can't horde clear

[visual stream]

I may be biased but I am still correct I get what you're saying though

As always, both gud though

[spare talon]

i mean i do clarify that its less damage on the big hits

[visual stream]

It is a preference on what you want and neither is better than the other

[hollow dove]

i genuinely love lightning reflexes tho 😛

you can block-stun dogs

huge

[visual stream]

Wasn't meaning to dunk you, moreso add on the instances that the difference ever comes into play

[spare talon]

i would use the ironhelm if i was to use a thammer cuz i value overall consistency more
but i hate its moveset
so i use the crucis
which i hate cuz it has very bad consistency from situation to situation
im a certified hammer hater

[polar nexus]

meta builds have second wind tho

[hollow dove]

hammer is good but man i dont have the skill for it

[clear knot]

crucis clear is slower but its consistent.

pair zarona with it and you have great 1taps to kill disablers/ragers/maulers and then the rest you can deal with you hammer and or if things are really piling up on you you can just flame nade and afk but, i dont really think that necessary most of the time. or you can run aggri brauto with knives and get a similar effect

[visual stream]

Never used it personally but I hear it is cracked

[clear knot]

but, i do not use hammer

so im just guessing

[polar nexus]

if it's for boss dmg i'd rather use a chaxe or a knife

[spare talon]

i have not looked back since i started to use it

[unreal steppe]

How useful are heavy swords?

[clear knot]

very

[spare talon]

very

[hollow dove]

i just use kant shotty lmao

[visual stream]

very

[polar nexus]

it cuts noodles

[clear knot]

kant shotty is just busted

the dragons breathe cleave nerf wasnt that bad and needed

[polar nexus]

infinite cleave is dead

[spare talon]

they have probably the best horde and light armored elite clear in the game for a melee weapon

[acoustic dune]

why is kant shotty busted

[median steeple]

tbf you can pair anything with zarona and it will work but yeah throwing knives are an AG works well with thammer

don't sleep on the DB please

[spare talon]

their weakness is heavier armor but you have a gun slot that can hold something to make up for that

[median steeple]

great gun

[clear knot]

i mena yeah rev is best gun in the game im js

[unreal steppe]

What is the difference between the models, or is it just preference on swings?

[polar nexus]

hsword bolter supremacy

[hollow dove]

I miss railgun kant shotty

shooting through walls

[visual stream]

It feels like the DBs purpose in life was to be WS vet's boytoy

[spare talon]

unless you want to get into the nerd stuff such as cleave profiles
the difference is just the swing pattern

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Which it does fantastically

[spare talon]

i personally like the mk9 heavy swords pattern

[median steeple]

i will murder you ISTG!

[spare talon]

which tends to be the most common pick
but plenty others here use the mk7

[median steeple]

It's pretty good on zealot

[visual stream]

Haven't tried it on zealot yet

[median steeple]

I love matchmaking into a maelstrom just to get no one

[unreal steppe]

Do you just light spam horde with hsword?

[visual stream]

I feel like it might feel empty leaving the crack-addled weapon swapping gameplay behind but maybe not

[visual stream]

Depends on the mark I believe

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/4vr918

[spare talon]

for the weak hordes that works just fine

but the horizontal heavies are really good too

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-clone-trooper-2003clone-wars-star-wars-gif-20468319

[spare talon]

@royal vortex crazy how you come into chat as i stalk your logs to find this video

https://streamable.com/2kz5lj

@unreal steppe

[unreal steppe]

Oh damn

Thats like power sword level cleave

[south folio]

scoop da whoop

[polar nexus]

a year ago, the mk7 was the awkawrd middle child

[spare talon]

this is possible with deathblow, which carries the first target damage through the first 4 targets and then starts to work its way down the cleave damage drop off

very good blessing

[polar nexus]

nothing really changed except telopots making videos

[ivory marlin]

@spare talon wanna hop on amogus?

[royal vortex]

i needed the people to see the helicopter

[clear knot]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kitty-bow-kitty-bow-patrick-bateman-bow-american-psycho-american-psycho-bow-gif-6208637533274605749

[ivory marlin]

this is a genuine question

[spare talon]

it also works with light attacks against hordes so youre just mulching them up

i think this level of preformance justifies its weakness against armor lmao

[unreal steppe]

Thats awesome yeah

[spare talon]

i dont wanna play amingus

[unreal steppe]

So like rampage and death blow?

[spare talon]

headtaker is better

[ivory marlin]

:(

[unreal steppe]

With maybe flak and unarmored?

[visual stream]

Flesher Tacerate

[spare talon]

headtaker works in every situation, whereas rampage only works when theres 3 cleaveable enemies present

so its just more consistent for things like bosses and stuff for roughly the same benefit