The little tiny almost invisible objects in the floor that stops dodges? That shit has to go
#zealot-class
crisp furnace
vestal pine
imho axes are fine as is long as we go the current route of spam shit at player
ember yew
Partly why i don't like cataclysm, first it's a pain to play in pubs and second, i'm not keeping the same items but with different perks to hit different bp's and legend bp's dont work there.
delicate shadow
I'm fine with cataclysm tbh, though I also play modded realm difficulties so I am so numbed to VT2s difficulty that I'm at a point where I need to be actively water-boarded by nurgle to feel challenged at all
placid fiber
Okay I have a legitimate question: What in the hell is the difference between the recon lasguns, now, besides just rate of fire and reload speed? :/
crisp furnace
I should write an extremely lengthy post on the forums about the micro stoppages to dodges in every map
placid fiber
Okay I have a legitimate question: What in the hell is the difference between th...
All 3 have more near damage and less far damage...
delicate shadow
what I don't like about official/base VT2s balance is that there is a massive disparity between meta options and the stuff that's kinda mid or simply left behind
ember yew
I should write an extremely lengthy post on the forums about the micro stoppages...
You meam like micro stairs that stops your movement?
crisp furnace
There’s a specific spot on consignment yard that is 100% death because there’s a random piece of metal
ember yew
what I don't like about official/base VT2s balance is that there is a massive di...
That's why i love darktide, many more viable stuff, so i'm not stuck with like 3 viable options.
vestal pine
you put your foot in the tracks below so you get fucked area?
i just stay away from there now
better off fighting in some place else
crisp furnace
you put your foot in the tracks below so you get fucked area?
First jump down
I’ll screenshot it later
vestal pine
hmmmm i dont remember
i only remember the finale train part fucking me over
very funny
crisp furnace
Not even bad placement, it’s just the map being badly designed
delicate shadow
That's why i love darktide, many more viable stuff, so i'm not stuck with like 3...
this is true, my thing with DT is it's a massive pain in the ass to get the gear to actually enjoy/embrace that variety
south folio
the initial area with the staircase and open window?
placid fiber
Like... the mk 2 recon has 11.11 shots/sec... the mk 7a has 7.69/s but it also fires 2 shots per click... and the mk 6d recon has 20 shots/sec... the differences between the 3 have been... for the most part removed, asside from the rate of fire on them...
vestal pine
imho axes are fine as is long as we go the current route of spam shit at player
is it overtuned? yes
but i wouldnt just nerf it and call it a day unless some things are done to the enemies as well
expecting teamwork in a team oritented game in pubs is a miracle in SEA really
ember yew
this is true, my thing with DT is it's a massive pain in the ass to get the gear...
which will be fixed with that crafting update in Sep/Oct
vestal pine
Like... the mk 2 recon has 11.11 shots/sec... the mk 7a has 7.69/s but it also f...
mk7a has pen like agri brauto
south folio
is it overtuned? yes
but i wouldnt just nerf it and call it a day unless some th...
on the other hand that'd be either a call to drop the difficulty or to just run a premade
crisp furnace
which will be fixed with that crafting update in Sep/Oct
Still going to have to grind
delicate shadow
which will be fixed with that crafting update in Sep/Oct
yeee it's pretty much what I'm waiting for
south folio
like it's a pub, what else do you expect
ember yew
Still going to have to grind
At least you can expect to get
south folio
i know what i signed up for by using public matchmaking
ember yew
what you want
south folio
if i wanted good teammates, i'd be on LFG
ember yew
instead of playing like 50 hours of aurics and then not getting anything
placid fiber
mk7a has pen like agri brauto
Is that really the only difference between the 3, besides rof and reload speed...?
crisp furnace
if i wanted good teammates, i'd be on LFG
You wouldn’t get them imma be honest
south folio
really?
south folio
i'd expect players here to be good
vestal pine
on the other hand that'd be either a call to drop the difficulty or to just run ...
"drop a difficulty" is a bad mindset when farming is done with max difficulty
delicate shadow
I've not really had that many issues just pubbing auric damn but tbh it's hard to say how much of that is just the powercreep making it chill
crisp furnace
There’s 10 good players active in lfg
south folio
"drop a difficulty" is a bad mindset when farming is done with max difficulty
finally somebody makes this argument
but also, low-int or non-auric continues to exist
delicate shadow
like sometimes you lose but usually it's to stuff where you just write it off as shit happens 
like whoops 3 people got barreled
vestal pine
but also, low-int or non-auric continues to exist
ah yes queing up for QP and then game shits on my dinner with Ventpurge sniper or HI-Shok with somehow RNG fucking over with every wave spawning 30 specials
crisp furnace
(We wiped)
maiden path
this is salts face right
south folio
yeah, which is why i queue for specific maps
crisp furnace
ah yes queing up for QP and then game shits on my dinner with Ventpurge sniper o...
I don’t do qp anymore
south folio
once again, if you sign up for quickplay, the terms of it are very straightforward
vestal pine
just remove QP bonus and give more plasteel per mission modifiers
crisp furnace
If I want dockets I’m speedrunning
placid fiber
I miss at least one of the recon lasguns having more damage to far away targets and less to up close ones... it made it feel unique, compared to the other ones... :/
delicate shadow
amazing
south folio
how you gonna complain about the inevitable consequences of public matchmaking and quickplay
this is like walking into a meatgrinder with a sign plastered on it saying that it is a meatgrinder
vestal pine
"thats just pubs" dont work as a argument to game shouldnt be centered around pub matches
south folio
if you want players of some guaranteed skill level, guess what you'll have to do
maiden path
this is salts face right
is this salts
frosty herald
https://open.spotify.com/album/0khDLGpS5OCGy7T4VBX204?si=oMAxKo7ATQWfT0f4OiYlOw new banger soundtrack released
south folio
but it is???
you're intentionally using public matchmaking
of course it's a valid thing to say to somebody who is using public matchmaking
bro
crisp furnace
if you want players of some guaranteed skill level, guess what you'll have to do
Play with Hamdolsun, Fox or Saldar
south folio
just run a premade
ember yew
like whoops 3 people got barreled
i hate the first phase on new map, it feels like pubs are always trying to blow me up with a barrel
crisp furnace
All 3 would make for the worlds easiest game
vestal pine
fine lemme wait 20 minuites to get a premade of 4 people
cause thats how it works here
maiden path
ah hell nah salts been looksmaxxing
south folio
sure, or run some meta stomping build or drop difficulties
like, i just stick to auric hishocks and never play maelstroms for a reason
cuz i ain't dealing with all that
vestal pine
drop difficulties and get less farming stuff for what is just a grindfest that is darktide
south folio
can always just run a meta build and achieve a 90%+ winrate on auric hishock pubs if you want to
it's not my fault that you tend to run non-meta builds
maiden path
i love that the hair is two completely seperate colors
and the only ginger option is just a weird light brown
vestal pine
you are trying to nerf said meta builds in the first place, and just make high difficulty "oh but its for premade"
crisp furnace
can always just run a meta build and achieve a 90%+ winrate on auric hishock pub...
I can get a 100% success rate if I run stealth and play back line
south folio
of course the auric board should actually be hard
vestal pine
you uh
south folio
we have 7 difficulties lines in this game
vestal pine
ever queue'd on normal damnation and teams suck more than auric
south folio
of course the upper 2 difficulties should at least be hard
vestal pine
and heresy even sucks more
south folio
sure, but more power is in your hands
south folio
if pubs suck anyways ,and you're the better player, then normal is going to be the best isn't it for your scenario
vestal pine
auric damn is like the only reasonable teammate that doesnt murder you with barrels
so just play the game in a solo mindset
thats a bad mindset like why
im sure you have your reason
coarse birch
i think id be ok with a decent pub team or some really hard carrying getting you through auric but i do totally agree its too easy rn
south folio
because i've already presented solutions to you
vestal pine
but i aint changing my mind on this
crisp furnace
Playing pre-made on here is either a joke and you run through with 100 damage taken or you die to the level 70 who shot the poxburster
ember yew
we have 7 difficulties lines in this game
its funny how some of Maelstrom modifiers are a joke and also offer the same reward as HISTG (like 45k)
south folio
don't use the public matchmaking if you don't want to deal with the unfiltered masses
maiden path
i like this hair cause they made the top shaved like the guy just does it himself
coarse birch
mainly as a result of said meta builds
south folio
it's that simple
vestal pine
because i've already presented solutions to you
i like cataclysm cause it was presented as an actual challenge, even if i didnt play much
damnation isnt like this cause farming stuff is tied to the difficulty still
crisp furnace
Auric isn’t hard atm
vestal pine
and auric isnt different, its just that hi-whatever is always there
south folio
for mats, low int and non-auric exists
for money, it scales linearly with difficulty and isn't exponentially scaling like mats is
vestal pine
if you try to nerf players in auric damnation you also nerf normal damnation
without any compensation
south folio
so even if you're just farming, you'll still be doing fine even if you're not doing the top difficulties
vestal pine
just try to buff auric missions as is instead
south folio
especially when you factor in winrates
crisp furnace
J-I-II-IV regular damnation is 75k dockets
south folio
if you try to nerf players in auric damnation you also nerf normal damnation
thats also my goal though
to move the range of difficulty upwards
crisp furnace
Based
south folio
i want you to play a game of sedition
and to see how fast enemies die
go and see for yourself
that's enough to convince you that the difficulty indeed needs its entire range shifted upwards
vestal pine
i dont deny on it being shifted upwards, but you are just rying to nerf downwards without compensation
south folio
who cares about compensation
crisp furnace
Dude, the game is comically easy
vestal pine
just make heresy the new damnation and adjust rewards accordingly
south folio
the game's range of difficulty is too low
coarse birch
yeah we just want the game to be harder
maiden path
chat old man zealot, or ginger zealot
vestal pine
rage of difficulty my ass you fucking gamble to get weapons
south folio
wow i wonder what fatshark is going to do in the future
hmm
makes you really think
do you live under a rock
do you ignore the news bulletin channel
vestal pine
makes oyu really think that 3 month is just a fucking grain of sand in a 40000 year old history
crisp furnace
Give me diff 6
vestal pine
is it here? no
frosty herald
Maelstrom is already dif 6
crisp furnace
No reward increase
coarse birch
maelstrom is twitch gimmick mode
south folio
the better and more productive argument that you should say is to "rebalance material gain in lower difficulties"
coarse birch
and is often easier than HISTG anyway
coarse birch
unless you get the stupid ones
south folio
we solve the problem directly by changing the mat gain in lower difficulties
vestal pine
the better and more productive argument that you should say is to "rebalance mat...
you do this before you talk about just nerfing players in general
south folio
i already have
vestal pine
you say nothing about this and then just yeah people should just go in lower diff
south folio
you just haven't been here for the many times that i've said it
vestal pine
then im raging over a not good point then
south folio
i'm one of the first people to make a chart like this
of course i complain about the nonlinear mat gain
vestal pine
people that just hate nerfs cause nerfs are dumb, but it realllly needs to be compensated
south folio
i just don't talk about it nowadays because i've already said my piece
what compensation is needed
frosty herald
The 1% vs 99% and there is a sweet spot between it
vestal pine
just the stupid farming part
south folio
in what areas
south folio
sure, then talk about solutions to the farming
south folio
instead of arguing against the nerfs i want
crisp furnace
I’m farming to 2 million plasteel
south folio
why not just talk about solutions to the problems directly instead of tangentially pulling them into an argument against the nerfs i want
crisp furnace
1,810,000 to go
south folio
you are just needlessly combative and kneejerky against nerfs
vestal pine
instead of arguing against the nerfs i want
because said farming is directly tied to the difficulty still
dockets can get a pass still but plasteel is quite important
maiden path
it cannot be this fucking difficult to make a working hair color fatshark.
south folio
we don't need to go about things in a roundabout way
round crater
I think what this game really needs is ogryn vaulting. It would fix all the games problems
crisp furnace
it cannot be this fucking difficult to make a working hair color fatshark.
Brand new cosmetic clips
vestal pine
I think what this game really needs is ogryn vaulting. It would fix all the game...
it has one but its finnicky
median steeple
Gimp mask moment
crisp furnace
I own them all
maiden path
what the fuck is even up with siennes hair
it looks so weird
its like they only painted the surface hair orange but anything under stays black
vestal pine
i do agree on the notion of players need to be toned down before adding more difficulties cause this game engine is already suffering chronic issues about it
south folio
we absolutely do not need more difficulties
south folio
7
frosty herald
My biggest annoyance is the ocular implant not being lined up correctly
crisp furnace
I would like the auric spawn rate fixed
If they can’t do that, just introduce diff 6
coarse birch
well elites are kinda weak sometimes but still directly affected by us
frosty herald
We do not need cataclysm 2.0 nor modded sweat realms
south folio
nerfing players and enemy count goes hand-in-hand because enemies are not a threat if we reduce their numbers and keep our current DPS, but enemies will be too overwhelming if we reduce our current DPS
coarse birch
i would love modded realms actually but we arent getting them
south folio
just deal with the difficulties that we have instead of fragmenting the playerbase even more
vestal pine
nerfing players and enemy count goes hand-in-hand because enemies are not a thre...
i really wish fatshark does this, people whine about this too much and i agree with the notion you have
south folio
though i still think the difficulty would still be fine if we tune our damage output down even by a little bit as long as you don't run some whack build
frosty herald
I wish for bigger poxwalker hordes but fewer specialists
south folio
yeah and reverting nerfs to dogs and whatnot
coarse birch
they could unironically spawm
vestal pine
though i still think the difficulty would still be fine if we tune our damage ou...
i will scream at you when my wierd wack build doesnt actually do its purpose anymore
coarse birch
1000 poxwalkers
vestal pine
dogs had nerfs?
coarse birch
and i wouldnt care
frozen glen
i wish for everyone in zealot chat to be friends 😇
vestal pine
and i wouldnt care
your hardware would melt tho
exotic night
Is crit zealot still good?
vestal pine
yes
coarse birch
yes
south folio
dogs are more easily dodged and we have a longer push against them when they're pouncing
coarse birch
yeah my PC would explode
exotic night
Even with the CDR on crit nerf
south folio
we also have a longer push range against pouncing bursters now
frosty herald
i wish for everyone in zealot chat to be friends 😇
Woe i hope you explode
frozen glen
that push range buff was weird
south folio
basically, revert the nerfs to make dogs/bursters more individually threatening and then reduce their count
frosty herald
1000 poxwalkers
No joke
vestal pine
yeah that sounds about right
coarse birch
atm ill honestly take it with how jank both dogs and bursters
maiden path
what the fuck are these scars supposed to be from
coarse birch
are rn
frosty herald
Give me a 3k poxwalker horde
maiden path
was I attacked by a crow
south folio
that push range buff was weird
every class simultaneously gaining psyker powers against pouncing enemies
maiden path
what is causing a 3 prong scar
vestal pine
im scared of fatshark just doing the former and not addressing the latter which is where my unreasonable hate against nerfs come from
frosty herald
Trapper net scars
south folio
i mean, the game has only gotten easier over time
round crater
They could make the game harder by letting trappers get you through all the walls instead of some of them 🤔
south folio
and fatshark has been pretty easy on nerfs for the most part
vestal pine
least the uh
coarse birch
after the great psword incident
frosty herald
Push range buff was most likely done to make bursters and dogs easier
south folio
bad changes just persist for a long time cuz they're slow in general and they get remembered the most
but then you have nerfs like the ones to voidstrike or assail which were basically nothing
vestal pine
i wish they just did it all at once like they tried to in patch 13
coarse birch
id be fine with push range going down in a world where dogs and bursters work more often
ember yew
nerfing players and enemy count goes hand-in-hand because enemies are not a thre...
It would be cool if they finally move from hard-nerfing zealot to other classes, about time
south folio
yeah and patch 13 took a long ass time and was cooking for a while
and then you'll hear people complain about them not doing incremental changes
vestal pine
but then you have nerfs like the ones to voidstrike or assail which were basical...
oh no my [insert overpowered shit] doesnt do [break gameplay] anymore its garbage
coarse birch
cause rn dogs insta pounce constantly and bursters take 45 pushes to register + getting knocked around by other stuff
south folio
there's no winning no matter what they do
vestal pine
there's no winning no matter what they do
fair point
coarse birch
yeah FS kinda just has to bite the bullet
maiden path
oh how I love you funny looking zealot
south folio
yeah, the bullet is just nerfs, and people will just drag up tangential reasons to dislike them
vestal pine
nerf needs to bite a bullet
ember yew
cause rn dogs insta pounce constantly and bursters take 45 pushes to register + ...
insta pounce dogs is a pain in the ass, also they can even take 90% HP damage from Agri8 braced and still not even flinch and pounce you, when instajump happens
south folio
on the other hand, i'm fine with it cuz they just get stomped in melee anyways
south folio
it's fine for them to be resilient against ranged given that they are
- fast enemies that outpace other enemies and thus can't hide inside deathballs for long
- have a massive melee vulnerability
- must be in melee range to do anything to you
coarse birch
cause its mainly like flamers and dogs that mess with them
yeah im ok with the ranged thing
vestal pine
i agree on the notion but i just hope it doesnt come in the way i think it would, nerf players, keep the enemycount(or somehow fuck stuff up and shadowbuff) so the high level is just unplayable during a 3 month period or whatever
coarse birch
cause they explode in melee and have low stagger resist minus the weird cases when they arent targeting you
south folio
the one annoying aspect of dogs i do not like is the AoE stagger that they have on pounce
south folio
i agree on the notion but i just hope it doesnt come in the way i think it would...
yeah but i'm optimistic since they do have playtesters and have currently shown a pattern of being pretty lenient on nerfs
vestal pine
i fuckin hope
south folio
if you're going based on any objective prediction, this is the opinion that you should have
round crater
Aren’t dogs infested? In theory wouldnt that mean bullets just slip through them because they’re a mound of rotting flesh?
vestal pine
ill end my rant then
south folio
instead of fearmongering your own self
coarse birch
they are infested ye
vestal pine
dogs are fine, just want more clear detection area to dodge the pounce
sometimes you can just duck to dodge them
other times yo uclearly dodge sideways from it and then still get pounce magnet
coarse birch
yeah i dont trust the dodge if i can help it
vestal pine
the "magic push window" was to remedy this and i think its fineish
coarse birch
i push or just one shot them out of mid air
vestal pine
just nerf the push range while actually makingt dogs behave proper
south folio
they're mostly fine to me and deserve to be punishing if you're solo
because the important things about dogs is that they're very easy to shoot off a teammate even if you're far away
it's not like trappers where you must be close to save a teammate
vestal pine
not with 10 poxxers are in the way really and them getting the grab on you always initiates a corruption which diesnt make people feel good
coarse birch
its mostly insta pounce i hate cause they can do it when you arent looking at them
which is like
south folio
of course they have jank involving not being staggered sometimes, but they can also be straight up killed
south folio
not with 10 poxxers are in the way really and them getting the grab on you alway...
sure, but that's a natural punish for being far away from a teammate
maiden path
south folio
having more punishing consequences in scenario like that should be the right thing
vestal pine
natural punish of within 2m of a teammates
like if it started to decay on every second sure yes
coarse birch
assuming you dont have time to react to the sound cue that is
vestal pine
sometiems the initial pounce just give syou corruption
south folio
i'm sure your teammate can walk over or just shoot a hole into the poxwalkers with whatever weapon they have
vestal pine
cause idk why
so even if you are near a teammate
you can get pounced and take corruption when clearly a guy was next to you
idk if thats intentional, since l4d2 hunters also had this mechanic
south folio
on the other hand, it is almost purely corruption so it is only particularly punishing if you're already corrupted near a wound or are at nearly max HP
the former, you're suffering consequences additional to previous mistakes/circumstances
the latter, you were at near max hp anyways
vestal pine
fair point its annoying still
coarse birch
i dont mind it since i did get pounced
south folio
yeah though i'm of the opinion that it's a bullet to swallow
failed a push or whatever and you took some initial consequence for it
instead of it being free
maiden path
should I watch godzilla minus 0 or death wish (the 1970 film)
vestal pine
its mostly insta pounce i hate cause they can do it when you arent looking at th...
i try to like the fact that he runs at me fast and then immediately pounce cause oyu can clearly see he's fucking running but sometimes he just uh does this through a bulwark horde
then again every special does shit through a bulwark horde like none of their business
coarse birch
ye i do want insta pounce gone
vestal pine
i like the concept tbh
south folio
i like the insta pounce cuz it adds some RNG and adds some gambling option to you
you could be safe and assume that they will always insta pounce
Or risk the wait
coarse birch
if he only did it when i was looking at him i wouldnt mind
south folio
it's something that makes them more individually threatening and has ways to be dealt with deterministically so i'm fine with it
coarse birch
cause im always gonna assume he will do it
vestal pine
it only makes sense that he just runs at you and pounce, but given how game can just fuck you with whatever chaff or elite spam in front of it it gets annyoing
not to mention existance of bulwark walls and trapper just snmehow nets through it
least dogs pin you down in place so its more fair-er
south folio
yeah though those are problems that can be solved directly (if bulwark walls exist, then we lower the # of bulwarks; if trappers can shoot through a bunch of hitmass, then set a hitmass limit on them)
coarse birch
i think they should have armor stop or something, i dont actually midn them shooting through a horde
vestal pine
trappers outside of that are currently in a decent place
well except you think you hear 1 trapper and then a trapper armada comes out of the corner
south folio
yeah just that very terrible interaction with deathballs
vestal pine
i think they should have armor stop or something, i dont actually midn them sho...
normal horde or least a few maulers are fine cause you can see the guy
south folio
if it's just cara and shield then it'd probably be fine yeah
vestal pine
not with ogryns
coarse birch
yeah generally if i can see them idc
south folio
if you get surrounded by normal chaff, then you probably deserve it
vestal pine
ogryns just fucking block every los
or overextended which means you had to have a idea of how to get back out
and while annoying its a good punishment
not when surrounded by ogryns not being able to see :(
coarse birch
they are pretty non threatening on their own at least
not that you get stuff on its own a ton
maiden path
when are they gonna make the aquila shop an actual shop and not a weird conveyer belt of shitty recolors
vestal pine
maelstroms "bigger" idk
south folio
i hate the gimmick modifiers like hound/mutant/burster/sniper waves
vestal pine
i like the concept
sometimes it gets annoying which is what poxburster waves just meant to be
south folio
it's nice as a one-in-a-few-times things, but i don't want it to be part of the hourly rotation on the "maelstrom"
those modifiers should just be shoved elsewhere
vestal pine
2 on auric or something cause thats currently the cataclysm of dt
which is not good
cause maelstrom modifiers are... wack
to say the least for some at least
still no only dreg modifier which is wierd
south folio
i can only guess that it's just for some lore reason that there's only an "only scab" modifier
or well, because maulers
and because there's no dreg equivalent of maulers
vestal pine
i assume dreg just doesnt have enough units yet
they still lacked their bomber variant till like 3 months
south folio
yeah, though I think those specials spawn anyways
i guess just an incomplete ideea
something that they'll have to cook
vestal pine
specials ignore scab modifier ye
coarse birch
yeah specials spawn
vestal pine
one day a funny dreg mauler that is idk
thick field
iz martyerdom working properly it seems i can only get max 6 stacks instead of 7
vestal pine
6 is max on damnation
maiden path
iz martyerdom working properly it seems i can only get max 6 stacks instead of 7
no
it hasnt worked right for a year
thick field
weird
vestal pine
beb shut up
maiden path
fatshark wont fix it because they call it 'treadmill work'
vestal pine
it only counts the fully lost wound so
stable cypress
dreg mauler like dreg bruiser, half naked dude with cara helmet
vestal pine
with max wound trinket you have 7 wounds
stable cypress
wielding an evis
maiden path
just go use dclaw brah..
thick field
dclaw?
maiden path
DEVILSCLAW
vestal pine
enemy that can fucking parry would be something funny
maiden path
WRAAAAAAAAAAH
south folio
and puts you into a stunlock and then proceeds to oneshot you
thick field
it would be cool if zealot had a shield and off hand weapon
coarse birch
arco when he runs chainsword and cleaves through 45 guys before getting parried and dying
vestal pine
dreg sniper but instead of having low HP and snipe you from afar he just tries to melee you and sometimes try to parry you and if you attack while he does that he just says "fuck you" and deals like 140 damage to you that has the funny sniper modifier
south folio
guh
spiral anvil
A row of dreg maulers walking towards you and spamming parry, what do you do
south folio
the dreg sniper playing sekiro by parrying your ranged attacks
vestal pine
fucking lmao
south folio
your revolver oneshots your own self
coarse birch
plasma players in shambles
vestal pine
i am hopeful for new specials cause they definitely cooked with dreg bomber even if he's annoying in a deathball
coarse birch
should remove all your ammo too
maiden path
why does twitch just have people streaming entire movies
spiral anvil
Remove all your ammo but psyker 
merry flume
watching free movies is epic
coarse birch
psyker gets perma capped too 100% peril
vestal pine
that brainbursts you directly on HP
spiral anvil
I always thought there should be a brainburst enemy
vestal pine
cant dodge but just dont stay on the sightline for like idk 10 seconds
south folio
terrifying
i guess the brainburst still stays locked onto you but is slower if you're not in their direct sightline
spiral anvil
Like cyberpunk enemy hackers
south folio
(which is how i think the brainburst should work for us as well; faster charge if your crosshair is directly over the enemy to reward some aiming)
vestal pine
that sounds about right for our brainburst
has avery funny psyker aura to signify he's fucking attacking
spiral anvil
(which is how i think the brainburst should work for us as well; faster charge i...
The moment you initiate a brainburst, an OSU minigame shows up 
south folio
a cool marker on your UI to indicate the amount of health that you are about to lose if you don't take care of that motherfucker
coarse birch
(which is how i think the brainburst should work for us as well; faster charge i...
uhhh sir this is psyker we are talking about
south folio
The moment you initiate a brainburst, an OSU minigame shows up <:KEKW_ogryn:1022...
RHYTHM MINIGAMES WOOOOOOOOO
coarse birch
no aiming
ok if OSU showed up mid game this would not be good for my health
i cannot play OSU you will never hear from me again
south folio
lock him up, boys
vestal pine
like people just hate the dreg bomber cause "omg its stupid" but i like him
maybe not the "smoke" part of it where it denies any markers but genuinely seeing him differ in areas to normal bomber makes me smile
cause toxflamer kinda does things too similar
south folio
yeah it's basically "same things but different numbers" but the differences do make them pretty distinct
coarse birch
lock him up, boys
youll never catch me alive
south folio
yeah the flamers are basically the same
vestal pine
that said cant imagine a "scab mutant" really
south folio
in fact i don't think there's anything different about them, at least perceivably
vestal pine
in fact i don't think there's anything different about them, at least perceivabl...
toxflamer also deals corruption
p sure
south folio
i don't think so but i'll check just to sure
vestal pine
you lose HP faster than he does corruptionthough which means you get fucked regardless
coarse birch
im p sure they dont
south folio
i guess given what dreg bombers are
vestal pine
lemme check
south folio
i guess given what dreg bombers are, they could change tox flamers into spewing the gas or whatever
well, they wouldn't quite be flamers anymore though
vestal pine
awesome uh must've been a poxwalker slamming me
coarse birch
unless its just cause of the melee modifier
coarse birch
arco in a perputual state of being able to quickly enter psyk
vestal pine
that sucks
south folio
i currently do not have my browser open so my 200 tabs do not prevent my from starting the game up
vestal pine
nice.
south folio
my powers are unshackled
vestal pine
trapper being maniac is wierd but if it was flak it's more reason to run flak so justified kek
coarse birch
but i have reasons
south folio
reasons that could be completely avoided because i have a notetaking tool specifically to solve this problem but have just completely not used
coarse birch
so instead of just
jotting shit down
you scan through 200 tabs to find what you need
south folio
not even that, i could just save the links for reading later in relevant sections
vestal pine
what would be a dreg trapper btw, psyker that tries to forcechoke you?
south folio
but no clearly hoarding them is better
coarse birch
RIP ram
south folio
net is yellow i guess
coarse birch
tbf once i hit grinding sections in games i tend to have a million tabs open
south folio
minmaxxer grindset
a dreg trapper is one of the harder ones to think of yeah that isn't basically the same as the current scab trapper
coarse birch
cause it takes me a bit to memorize where all the farming spots are
coarse birch
minmaxxer grindset
yeah i do minmax in most JRPGS cause why not
not in DT though
JRPGs also require it sometimes for end game content
south folio
at least for jprgs i usually do read a comprehensive walkthrough guide and stick with that
vestal pine
a dreg trapper is one of the harder ones to think of yeah that isn't basically t...
tbh the whatever those fat sorcerers were in VT2 was quite easy to dispatch least the one that drinsk your soul
coarse birch
but i like my super bosses
south folio
i'm a hater of experimentation so i do read guides just to not bother with the weakness/resistance system that jprgs tend to have
coarse birch
yeah once i get to optional challenge stuff i check guides
cause like its probably gonna take me 100+ hours to get everything and thats with me knowing where it is
god knows how long it would take if i needed to actually find all the ult weapons and where to get the items i need etc
south folio
babe it's time to be a completionist
coarse birch
i do try and 100% games
if i like them enough
in the case of ff12 and FFX on repeat playthroughs even
south folio
👁️ 👁️
south folio
my dementia prevents me from getting it
south folio
you are a rude and deeply unkind fellow
coarse birch
in this case i agree
vestal pine
anyway recommend a new melee i can run
mk2 is a one that i would try to run but idk
south folio
your words have left a permanent scar upon my heart
coarse birch
heavy sword 7
coarse birch
your words have left a permanent scar upon my heart
no they havent
also devil claw 7
south folio
i do think the melee system needs a bit more complexity cuz it is very brainless to me
coarse birch
if you wanna cheat less
bold dirge
One message removed from a suspended account.
vestal pine
i do think the melee system needs a bit more complexity cuz it is very brainless...
idk theres a lot of melee
but i still feel like stuff is missing cause no shield weapons and duelwield weapons
south folio
and a lot of melees just end up feeling samey because they are pretty samey
lots of melees just have the same stagger falloff (in that they basically don't have any and you just stagger any ol' poxwalker even if it was the 200th enemy that you hit in your swing)
combos on a bunch of weapons are whatever
dodging is so ridiculously strong, and blocking is so ineffective in the majority of scenarios
stamina is basically irrelevant
sprint attacks are inconsistent between different melee weapons
vestal pine
so even if there is more weapons, there isnt much "variety"
coarse birch
i wouldnt mind more complexity to the melee system mostly through combos although honestly melee is my fav part of this game
south folio
yeah though i think just making blocking more of a relevant thing would add some spice
coarse birch
so i could go either way
south folio
and it's one of the major reasons that i want to nerf enemy count
because you can't really have any interesting blocking stuff if you're facing against 10+ dreg ragers
vestal pine
true
coarse birch
idk i think its interesting when i get guard broken and sent to the shadow dimenstion
south folio
it's not like dodging where you can suspend the disbelief of dodging many enemies (and your stamina will get eaten up)
vestal pine
no
south folio
and attacks with a bit more distinction
merry flume
bros the thinker
south folio
and distinguishing between bladed and blunt weapons a bit more, especially in terms of stagger
e.g., blunt weapons would have less stagger falloff and bladed weapons have a sharper stagger falloff so the 10th poxwalker that you hit in your cleaving swing doesn't just get trivially staggered and unable to do anything to you so you can just mash LMB without a care
vestal pine
and attacks with a bit more distinction
currently i feel like its fineish for certain stuff and then for some stuff it just falls
south folio
it's one of those devil in the detail things that seem small but would add a bit more distinction
revising the melee a bit would be my next step in terms of "core mechanics and stuff to change" after the crafting system
mighty mesa
i have another question, is wounds builds any good or nah?
frosty herald
south folio
p good
martyrdom does offer a non-trivial damage output
and zealot happens to have a bunch of survivability talents to offset the risk of making full use of martyrdom
coarse birch
yes
frosty herald
Let me play a proper biomancer
south folio
i also want sprinting melee attacks to be their own thing because of a particular quirk of the duelling sword poke heavies, where the heavies just have their hitbox lingering for a long as time so you can just move your crosshair around and continue to hit enemies a relatively long time after you've already stabbed
it makes sense if you think of the stab as a lunge
except that this also works if you're doing a standing poke which is just deranged
mighty mesa
i am currently using this:
coarse birch
incoming godawful sprinting attacks so you have to stop before attacking to get a good attack
south folio
giving some distinction to sprinting heavies (and perhaps a stamina cost to them) would be neat, as well as a way to balance certain sprint attacks giving a massive speed bonus (cough cough duelling sword and knife)
frosty herald
Rogue trader has a hella fun psyker
vestal pine
incoming godawful sprinting attacks so you have to stop before attacking to get ...
new sliding attacks were cool
coarse birch
yeah those are great
south folio
i am currently using this:
tree seems fine to me besides what i'd consider some mild overinvestment into survivability (mostly that i wouldn't take good balance here)
mighty mesa
i am currently using this:
and was thinkin of running this, but wanted to know how many wounds would be enough to make it better than just using something else
south folio
i'd run full three wound curios with martyrdom cuz why not
mighty mesa
i overinvest into survivability to always be able to get everyone up no matter what (was a handmaiden in vermintide)
spiral anvil
I actually hate the sliding attack on Paul
Sliding towards a gunner to hit them with the double strikedown light but
ember yew
i overinvest into survivability to always be able to get everyone up no matter w...
overinvest in surv -> but no Second Wind
can drop purge for that
spiral anvil
Crit DR can be skipped without piety
Second wind is OP and it's the reason to play zealot
Somehow zealots can weave in and out of ranged fire better than vets
mighty mesa
i dont generally need second wind, since i rarely go down to less than half hp
so i dont really like wasting points on it
spiral anvil
Is second wind not the talent that gives toughness Regen on dodge? I don't know any zealot talent names
ember yew
it is
lean lark
it is
ember yew
with 0.5 sec cd
lean lark
its arguably one of the best survivability talents on zealot
if you dont take holy rev into account
mighty mesa
oh i thought we talked about the other thing
ember yew
mighty mesa
yee i have that always
spiral anvil
Your build doesn't 
mighty mesa
oh wops not the other build no
mighty mesa
i am currently using this:
this is what im using atm
mighty mesa
hmm maybe this then?
lean lark
no
ember yew
what weapons do you use though
mighty mesa
which one is shield of contempt?
ooohh that one
like this then?
oh and i use the double barrel shotgun and the III shock maul
placid fiber
Finally... I got my Vet's contracts for the week done. :/
It just took me... like... 4 or 5 hours... :/
lol Melk is doing his usual bs, with offering me the most vile(as far as perks/blessings/stats go) of weapons...
spice flame
Does anyone have a good zealot build?
I heard throwing blades, knife and mk5 infatry auto would be ideal
atomic sparrow
think i still like indignatus crusher over indignatus shockmaul for zealot. activated attack knocks mixed mobs like a champ
plus no stuck in place shock 1 dude while getting ogryn overheaded
crisp furnace
and was thinkin of running this, but wanted to know how many wounds would be eno...
Nooo boook
mighty mesa
Nooo boook
hm?
crisp furnace
Anti dps
mighty mesa
i have no idea what ur on about
delicate shadow
based chorus enjoyer
spare talon
Does anyone have a good zealot build?
No we all are running absolute dogshit ones
Like holy shit I can't get out of a sedition match by anything other than the skin of my teeth
modern lintel
spare talon
I open up the darktide reddit trying to see what the current shop is cuz I think it rotated
Saw this instead
obsidian prairie
Couldn’t you combo that with a taunt to push it fully behind you/into your team
frosty herald
Welcome back billhook
spare talon
God dammit
There's no way I can deny it
I'm an adult now
Cuz I'm willingly watching someone explain graphs, statistics, and spreadsheets
obsidian prairie
What is that for?
spare talon
First descendant
He's explaining the details of elemental resistances and how you should go about using them and how much, backed up with graphs and stuff
ember yew
grizzled aspen
Psykers are a very strange bunch..
I just had, I shit you not, 8 psykers filter through a damnation match.
They would join, not pay attention, get ganked by ragers/crushers/etc, go down, and instantly dc.
spare talon
Yes that is the title of the graph
That's the graph for how much damage you take with X elemental resist against the example bosses shooty attack
frosty herald
Another trebanger
vestal pine
There's no way I can deny it
I'm an adult now
Cuz I'm willingly watching someone...
what do you need to do to get modded with decent frames again
spice flame
misty nova
dont Pair it with Riposte
frosty herald
Mk3 knife
spice flame
but idk what blessings/perk
spice flame
I use antax
misty nova
"best melee weapon"
Knife
misty nova
but idk what blessings/perk
Uncanny+Riposte/Precognition
spice flame
what kind of builds are most viable for auric missions?
I try look at youtube but most are outdated or whacky, like flame thrower and bolter, I don't wanna use that
royal vortex
it'll kinda mostly come down to preference because the big majority of weapons/talent combos work
my generic recommendation for people who have absolutely 0 specific investment in something would be like a crusher + brauto
you can go any combination of blitzes/ults etc with that and come out fine but i like tknives/chastise/momentum for it
misty nova
My recommendation is Bloodthirsty Evis15 + Zarona, it's very into the thick of it so not for everyone kek
spice flame
Evis15 zarona?
spice flame
Seems like I have to invest a fk ton of money into completely new weapons then
I have antax axe, mk5 infantry auto only
spice flame
Just make sure you have Flak perk and Dumdum blessing
I have flak, crit chance, dumdum3, stripped down3
misty nova
Solid
coarse oriole
hi all, didnt play since twins event, are there any changes that i need to know? hammers and chaxes still trash? and what can u say about new weapons? bolt pistols seems good, but played just 1 game with gray version
vestal pine
zealot new meta?
modern lintel
Would it not net more dmg to try and start off w a melee backstab
vestal pine
Would it not net more dmg to try and start off w a melee backstab
stealth also benefits ranged
that said this test was quite scuffed so
misty nova
I'm too much of a chain weapon to pick stealth, so I'll pass on this meta
vestal pine
frosty herald
Exe stance would probs onecycle
modern lintel
It absolutely would but this is zealot
misty nova
Needs more duelist
lean lark
old fotf bolter would've onecycled
vestal pine
no
vestal pine
did it increase unyielding damage
cause old fotf did nothing to unyielding armor
just first crit, and then +20% firerate
lean lark
excess rending is turned into dmg
lean lark
thats just spreading misinfo
vestal pine
no duelist?
hm
yes but it lacks the main crusher killing apetite
still sticking to it for now
cant seem to kill 3 crushers with 1 mag usually
without ulting it
even with piety it seems to be slower on crusher dispatching
i hate sometimes it taking 7 shots to kill a guy
hard nexus
i never use bolter so i never noticed
hard nexus
both explosion and the CQC bolt direct hit
yah ik about the not detonating at point blank
which is kinda dumb but
that is neat
:3
vestal pine
idk i like the detail
same as grenade launchers dont detonating on your face
granted current sharpenel of bolter is more akin to a fart in the wind
whats op on zealot anyway
not like anything else can deal with armor other than zarona
mine sometimes takes 8 shots to kill a crusher to the head with calvi
usually 6 with shattering
without anything
carapace 20
it just feels consistent more
i aint meleeing 12 crusher swarms
tribal estuary
how long would it take to lvl up a new zealot to 20?
vestal pine
i get fucked by a noiseless trapper behind
tribal estuary
i wanna get man stopper but they stoppin me from gettin men
vestal pine
i hate how new fotf cant 2shot crusher sanymore
tribal estuary
for man stopper?
on my hacker?
sweat thats easy
i got a underleveled psycher cuz i hate psycher
too much magik
nimble fiber
aight lets farm blair again, maybe I'll get the last part today
vestal pine
bad design choice
especially since nothing about crusher spam was fixed
well chjanged more like
but yknow
hushed knoll
What game is this
nimble fiber
the first descendant
hushed knoll
aight lets farm blair again, maybe I'll get the last part today<a:KirbyFeelingIt...
Who is Blair
north sedge
bad design choice
nimble fiber
a character from that game
hushed knoll
Oh is this the Korean game
nimble fiber
ye
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/crybaby-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-wah-wah-gif-804...
HI DOUGHTHONY OWO NOTICES YOU
nimble fiber
korean warframe
left iron
@frosty herald Was this you?
north sedge
HI DOUGHTHONY OWO NOTICES YOU
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/dying-hungry-and-thirsty-gif-18407119697594143225
Make sure you drink Webster today
Water
nimble fiber
webster
north sedge
too late drinking Webster
nimble fiber
but on that note, stay hydrated 
nimble fiber
https://tenor.com/view/dying-hungry-and-thirsty-gif-18407119697594143225
or this will
ye
be you
left iron
Im fine hnnnnggh
vestal pine
https://tenor.com/view/crybaby-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-wah-wah-gif-804...
give me a good example that actually kills 6 cruhsers within a reasonable timeframe
north sedge
Im fine *hnnnnggh*
north sedge
give me a good example that actually kills 6 cruhsers within a reasonable timefr...
Learn how to play
vestal pine
Learn how to play
this is just dont RNG'd
left iron
Or, y'know
Dont get hit by the slowest overhead in the game
Theres so many tools to turn crushers into non issues
vestal pine
Dont get hit by the slowest overhead in the game
indeed them alone isnt the issue
nimble fiber
tacit smelt
north sedge
This is zealot chat!
north sedge
this is just dont RNG'd
Learn how to play
vestal pine
Theres so many tools to turn crushers into non issues
there are not many tools to turn crushers into non-issues on a furball of them really
problem always arouses from en masse
vestal pine
Learn how to play
learn how to play doesnt excuse game just missing a specla/elite noise alert and that fucking you over
they fixed this many times and its still returning ffs
"be more vigilant" ah yes im supposed to see a trapper through a bulwark sea
i get they are taking turns
i dont have to respect them taking turns and share my thoughts on the matter in a possible future where all things are done
nimble fiber
I love rain
vestal pine
if you would try to convince me, get a better example than "skill issue" since vet still has access to every kit in his arsenal, and both vet and psyker still has stuff that invalidate your claims on their hand right this instance of the patch
north sedge
learn how to play doesnt excuse game just missing a specla/elite noise alert and...
Learn to not shift goal posts
vestal pine
i think thats a you issue
zealot is still dead when its underpowered than others, it still does things unique and then vet can just VoC and plasma all over stuff
not that my viewpoint would radically change within june since fatshark is off a vac
vestal pine
https://tenor.com/view/crybaby-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-wah-wah-gif-804...
still havent answered my question
north sedge
Can't hear, too many tears
vestal pine
definite you issue then
north sedge
definite you issue then
frosty herald
<@427815660937019393> Was this you?
no
i dont blow up as psyker
and yam isnt my psyker name
solar gorge
blowing up on psyker in 2024
nimble fiber
frank night
serene geyser
what're yall running on evisc?
blazing piety, momentum or martyrdom?
also any nodes I must hit?
serene geyser
xv
seems like lights for horde H1 for single target?
oh all the heavies are strikedown
easy
faint cape
It's a reskinned exectioner sword from vermintide
faint cape
Marty
misty nova
Martyrdom with bloodthirsty as a main blessing
serene geyser
hell yeah love martyrdom
misty nova
Shred + Rampage/Perfect Strike on a piety build is also pretty popular
serene geyser
running this based on a steam guide
i aint got the blessings yet but im just helping a friend grind to 30 so its nbd
vestal pine
feels like dropping twbs on a marty build screams i wanna get shot
misty nova
Just use cover more often
faint cape
Ranged doesn't hitstun you anymore if you have toughness
misty nova
And since you're dropping Twbs, drop DoD
faint cape
It doesn't really provide much anymore
misty nova
2 free points
faint cape
And grab the +damage on dodge node
frosty herald
Drop TWBS at this point tbh
vestal pine
if it was any other build sure but its marty
even with the toughness damage resistance it feels like a risky move
might be just me tbh
vestal pine
If I say skill issue will you throw another fit
eh
this is an actual skill issue so
i really should try to get off that cause that 2 points does free up a lotta stuff
but on diving i feel like its a nessesity
ive been removing it on more team oriented builds
north sedge
lacerate has skill issues, but also given that build i dont think twbs is a bad thing, with no toughness regen node taken
misty nova
might be just me tbh
Yeah maybe you've been spoiled by Twbs
vestal pine
Yeah maybe you've been spoiled by Twbs <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
possibly kek
DoD is also quite useful to entirely drop imho
misty nova
Think you'll be fine without duelist, take Master's Retribution
Will help with dogs/ragers (every ten seconds)
fleet zealot
Tactical ferret nuke inbound
Depends on the weapon and even build if duelist is droppable
misty nova
The weapon is Evis15
fleet zealot
Then yea you can skip duelist
vestal pine
Depends on the weapon and even build if duelist is droppable
how much damage does duelist do to evi15?
hushed knoll
lacerate has skill issues, but also given that build i dont think twbs is a bad ...
Have you eaten HORS D'OEUVRES today
I had to copy and paste
north sedge
Have you eaten HORS D'OEUVRES today
just some hors d ovations sadly
nimble fiber
hushed knoll
<a:cant_believe_it:1237737625419513896>
WADIYA TALKIN ABOUT
OwO skibidi fanum tax so Ohio
UGH I HATE THAT
left iron
What
hushed knoll
I just triggered myself
nimble fiber
left iron
Excuse you, i am known as fhwyruwitqp Gnehtosp Gnejtostion nowadays
placid fiber
Hey, who do you think this describes the best? (Unhinged, that is)
nimble fiber
hi fhwyruwitqp Gnehtosp Gnejtostion how r u doin?
placid fiber
Hey, who do you think this describes the best? (Unhinged, that is)
<---- You all got it wrong, for shame! The correct answer was: This hapless moron!
:3
misty nova
how much damage does duelist do to evi15?
Without duelist, light's weakspot/crit deal 300ish damage to unarmored and 400ish when critspot
It gets funky when it comes to flak
Not to mention that the L4 is also different
So uh
placid fiber
Without duelist, light's weakspot/crit deal 300ish damage to unarmored and 400is...
Is it as funky as this combo? >.>'
misty nova
Dunno, but I like the term bullet hell
placid fiber
Dunno, but I like the term bullet hell
This is how my assault rifle currently shoots lol
That's extremely bad for this assault rifle x.x
misty nova
Do be hitting those
fleet zealot
Peets friday
merry flume
god its friday
hushed knoll
This is how my assault rifle currently shoots lol
What game is this
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/dying-hungry-and-thirsty-gif-18407119697594143225
YOURE NOT FINE ITS SO HOT
YOURE GONNA BE LIKE DEBBIE AFTER HE ABDORBS PEOPLE
north sedge
YOURE NOT FINE ITS SO HOT
hushed knoll
CELL*
north sedge
what
hushed knoll
ABSORBS
north sedge
debbie
hushed knoll
😠😠😠😠😠
royal vortex
abdorbs
left iron
hushed knoll
north sedge
totes abdorbs
north sedge
what
royal vortex
pilates freak?
hushed knoll
Have you ever gotten yogurt throat
north sedge
yogurt throat?!
royal vortex
STAN
north sedge
no stan im straight
royal vortex
not in public
hushed knoll
Like when you get like post nasal drip from yogurt
Or like the yogurt sticks in your throat and makes your voice rough for like a second
north sedge
ogre yogurt
fleet zealot
YOURE GONNA BE LIKE DEBBIE AFTER HE ABDORBS PEOPLE
abdorbs
royal vortex
stan is chowin down on some population paste
fleet zealot
Like when you get like post nasal drip from yogurt
what
north sedge
3 mile island dressing
royal vortex
its not a saline mixture for stan
fleet zealot
yogurt is nothing like a nasal drip
my mom had a healthy craze i remember it as a kid
hushed knoll
is that how many youve gotten yogurt throat from..?
I got yogurt throat all the time in middle school for some reason
My yogurt would also explode in my face
fleet zealot
maybe cause you don't drink enough water
hushed knoll
Cuz I would open it too fast
left iron
hushed knoll
CTHULU EYES LIMIT REACHED
fleet zealot
the 1st one can def happen
royal vortex
I got yogurt throat all the time in middle school for some reason
is this around the time you learned your grandma was a slurper..?
hushed knoll
😒
left iron
hushed knoll
Wait avocados aren’t part of it
Oh well
And I stopped my seltzer shakes which is good
north sedge
seltzer shakes
north sedge
it felt like a million years im sure
solar gorge
who puts the crabonates in the water
rugged dew
u guys know why i cant send any pics?
solar gorge
ur grey
north sedge
too new to the server, gotta be posting for a bit
solar gorge
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surreal shore
Hey guys
solar gorge
no
solar gorge
Maybe they're good