zealot-class

[hushed knoll]

Dough

I hope you are hydrating

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-are-you-alright-ryan-reynolds-huh-what-gif-15754600

[hushed knoll]

Cali has a huge hear quaver

Heat wave

[north sedge]

hear quaver

[fleet zealot]

I thought you were gonna say queer

[hushed knoll]

I think they look similar

[hushed knoll]

[north sedge]

they both are blonde, that's it

[hushed knoll]

Ryan Reynolds isn't blonde

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-ryan-reynolds-hitmans-wifes-bodyguard-sigh-breathe-gif-21191605

[hushed knoll]

Damn I would bake him into a cake tbh

[left iron]

[vestal pine]

wait im confused gain is it just cleave_on_crit

for some reason

[hushed knoll]

ICE OMG ICE HIIIII

heavy breathing

LET'S ALL GREET ICE

[left iron]

Uh oh

[hushed knoll]

[left iron]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-pepe-frog-bye-upset-im-out-gif-17020829

[hushed knoll]

ICE NOOOOO

WTF

[ripe quest]

wdym

[coarse birch]

Rip ice

[hushed knoll]

Ice come back

[coarse birch]

Gone too soon

[hushed knoll]

Shakespeare wtf have you done

Shaquille

[coarse birch]

Wdym what have i done

[hushed knoll]

Why did you make Ice leave

[fleet zealot]

Look at those scratchers

[coarse birch]

I did not make ice leave

[fleet zealot]

Dangerous noodle

[coarse birch]

Ice left before i even arrived

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

Why

[fleet zealot]

I mean yes i am

[coarse birch]

I think you scared them with your heavy breathing

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-take-drag-funny-gif-15831994

Does this to you

[hushed knoll]

Do you ever get so excited that you breathe heavily

[hushed knoll]

[fleet zealot]

Very common ferret trait

[coarse birch]

Not generally no

[hushed knoll]

What sparked your love of ferrets

[hushed knoll]

[royal vortex]

only when observing brutalist architecture

[hushed knoll]

JOSHINGTON BOOTS

NO

[coarse birch]

Thats a new one

[fleet zealot]

I believe it was toontown or another kids mmo that generated a name for you automatically

[royal vortex]

"no"?

[hushed knoll]

Nope

[fleet zealot]

And i got ferret in my ign

[hushed knoll]

You do not like bazooka h ru achitecne

Fuck me

[coarse birch]

Huh

[hushed knoll]

Brutalist architechture

[fleet zealot]

So i became obsessed with ferrets

[royal vortex]

i dont even comprehend bazooka h ru achitecne

[hushed knoll]

Architecture

[hushed knoll]

What is ign

[coarse birch]

Stans mind is unmatched

[fleet zealot]

In game name/username

[royal vortex]

how do you even know that

[hushed knoll]

Oh

[hushed knoll]

Because I know you

[royal vortex]

i don't think you do

[placid fiber]

What in the fuck did I come back to?

I'm guessing Stan

[fleet zealot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/uRb1Br69frc?si=zANL8UnC80q1hDk5

Stan giving me peter griffin vibes

[hushed knoll]

You are more drawn to stridentism and Herodian architecture

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

[royal vortex]

nay

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/field-trip-ror2-risk-of-rain2-mini-mushrum-gif-25942012

[royal vortex]

u have unfortunately miscalculated, stanulation

[hushed knoll]

mushrooms can't walk

[coarse birch]

What are you even basing this off stan

[hushed knoll]

Stanulation?

[royal vortex]

stanulation

[hushed knoll]

Basing what off of

[coarse birch]

Joshos architecture preferences

[placid fiber]

they aren't mushrooms, they are mushrums.

[hushed knoll]

His personality scent

[hushed knoll]

[coarse birch]

I see

[hushed knoll]

I just got deja vu

[coarse birch]

You couldnt base it off his actual personality you are familiar with and have been around?

[hushed knoll]

That's the scent

[royal vortex]

no, stan just likes to kinda make up random shit and attribute it to people

[coarse birch]

This does check out

[fleet zealot]

What is my personality scent

[hushed knoll]

Wtf is this Jars

Josho

[royal vortex]

i have defied him and for that he will turn me into mayo chicken

or jars

[coarse birch]

Jars

[royal vortex]

alright

[hushed knoll]

Lemondrops on a rainy day

[coarse birch]

Mayo chicken and jars are probably similar if you ask arco

[royal vortex]

completely unrelared to culinary abominations im fkin hungry

[royal vortex]

im going to consume stan

[hushed knoll]

OOOOO I am with my aunt I should ask her to make mayo chicen

Chocken

Chicken

[coarse birch]

Josho you better have eaten in the last 24 hours

[fleet zealot]

Chocken

[hushed knoll]

Wtf is that supposed to mean

[royal vortex]

i have

[coarse birch]

Good

[hushed knoll]

[coarse birch]

Your aunt you say 👀

[hushed knoll]

What

Answer my question

[placid fiber]

Add this to your stan sandwich

[coarse birch]

I heard she has quite the ass

[placid fiber]

Your Stanwich

Damn it, now I'm hungry with all this talk about consumation...

[coarse birch]

Is this not a culinary abomination

[hushed knoll]

What does this mean

[hushed knoll]

Shut up

[coarse birch]

What do you mean what does this mean

Is it not in the message

[fleet zealot]

You know what

This isn’t even inaccurate

I like sour candy

And i like rainy days

Just a normal Japanese schoolgirl on my way to class

[hushed knoll]

Why should Josho have eaten something

[hushed knoll]

Are you Japanese

[coarse birch]

Because people need to eat???

[hushed knoll]

😒

[hushed knoll]

Oh I thought it had to do with me

[fleet zealot]

No but that ferret is p.sure

Very niche ferret scene in the asian countries makes me happy

[royal vortex]

stan is such a fkin hater lmao

praying for my DEMISE

[coarse birch]

And i was saying i hope josho is feeding himself as needed

So he does not starve

[hushed knoll]

No wtf

[hushed knoll]

He has the feed bag

[coarse birch]

He has a feed bag?

[hushed knoll]

[coarse birch]

Is he a bird

[hushed knoll]

Idk he has a feed bag tho

Birds don't use feed bags

Horses do

[coarse birch]

They use feed tho

[placid fiber]

That's what u think

[sterile stone]

Put the bread down

[placid fiber]

They have a point, Stan @hushed knoll

pretty sure bird feeder comes in bags >.>

[north sedge]

stan has the feed bag

dunno what he's talking about

[placid fiber]

My kitty came to see me! :3

[fleet zealot]

orange

[placid fiber]

Yep

[placid fiber]

Has less vitamin c, than an orange does, tho...

Or did you just mean the color...? >.>'

[fleet zealot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7JbAH6g-5jc?si=ZCMgjrEyAq5hD082

[fleet zealot]

yes

i had an orange cat growing up

[slow galleon]

Typical zealot chat

[placid fiber]

No it's not, there's not enough Gup! @slow galleon

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[slow galleon]

Like from risk of rain 2

[placid fiber]

I mean gups were originally in ror1... but, yeah

[slow galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/gup-risk-of-rain2-wooliegaming-obliterating-lunar-coins-gif-25177647

Take that

[placid fiber]

Take what?

https://tenor.com/view/meme-troll-we-do-a-little-trolling-when-the-get-real-gif-20632184

[slow galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

My honest reaction

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-trader-profit-factor-gif-24031910

[placid fiber]

I'm not awake enough to be bothered by this, and I am also not one of those sensitive gup worshipers. I just think they are kinda cool

and strawberries

[open echo]

(this is so bricked) but also is this a ok maul in terms of base stats

[slow galleon]

Shop maul?

[open echo]

mhm

wait

t3

huh

[placid fiber]

All that is to me is the mace, from vt2, for the most part. With a bit of zappy zappy

[slow galleon]

That pen is rough but if you get lucky and get a good perk and blessing then it’s good

[placid fiber]

so far, anyway

I haven't actually used it in a mission tho

[slow galleon]

I need to understand shock mechanics to get an opinion. I already don’t like either attack pattern too much

[placid fiber]

I mean it's the mace from vt2, for the most part

[slow galleon]

The timing for constant sweeps feels wrong

[placid fiber]

Which feels a bit mid, imo

[slow galleon]

I can do the heavy light for other weapons fine but the mauls timing just feels wrong

[placid fiber]

iirc the mace's timings felt a bit weird as well

[visual stream]

Mult-E with 50 tri tip daggers

(double nail gun)

[slow galleon]

Acrid with 50 oil can and 10 gasoline

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-terminator-fire-explosion-skeleton-gif-16779623

[slow galleon]

The world must burn

[slow galleon]

Me kills a single bug:
The gup on the opposite side of the map:

[visual stream]

A looped run makes you feel like god until a silly spiky green man touches you once

https://tenor.com/view/asustado-finn-hora-de-aventura-la-gritar-miedo-gif-21466429

[slow galleon]

Literally become god and then stub your toe and instantly die

My favorite thing to see is multiplayer and a loader with a bunch of glass just one punch manning everything

Also standard zealot chat

[misty wraith]

this chat echoes the zealot gameplay loop

[slow galleon]

What gameplay loop. There is no loop. It’s more like a tree ever branching off and never consistent

Zealots are a certified mental condition trust me

[slow stag]

which devil claw sword is the bis one

[hushed knoll]

NO I DONT

[slow galleon]

4

[placid fiber]

Sounds suspiciously like someone who DOES have it...

[north sedge]

we've heard it too many times at this point

[hushed knoll]

Don’t listen to the others

[placid fiber]

Which others, the voices in my head?

[noble ingot]

A 380 double barrel?! At this time of year, at this time of day, at this part of the Imperium, localized entirely within Brunt's armoury?!

I'm keeping this until the itemization update

[fleet zealot]

i'd upgrade it ngl

unyielding isn't too bad

[noble ingot]

also that combat axe has a lvl 3 Bromentum on it and 20% unyielding

first time I see a lvl3 blessing at Brunt's

normally it's only lvl 1s and 2s

[placid fiber]

I've seen t3 blessings before

Normally it is t1 and t2, but, sometimes a t3 shows up

[noble ingot]

that T4 blessing is meh

[fleet zealot]

worst blessing in the game

your perks are good/fine at least

[noble ingot]

replacing it with t4 both barrels, replacing full bore with T3 scattershot until I get t4

[misty wraith]

what does suppression even do on enemies

[vestal pine]

one day i find a gun to use it

[noble ingot]

only the emperor knows

[misty wraith]

lol

[vestal pine]

when can i get stopper of man

[mint ruin]

can devil's claw perry mauler/crusher overheads?

[fleet zealot]

makes them panic/stop moving/duck down

[mint ruin]

stops them from shooting and makes them cower behind cover

[fleet zealot]

doesn't work on poxwalkers

and some enemies are more resistant to it and recover from it faster, IE scabs and scab stalkers especially

[noble ingot]

when you're a brainless zombie you hardly care about anything

[vestal pine]

needs a perfect parry but yes

[vestal pine]

still a decent CC

wish it was on a melee weapon tho

headtaker + terrifying barrage

[fleet zealot]

no it just doesn't work on poxwalkers, and melee shouldn't even have suppression

it has stagger

[misty wraith]

oh that kinda ruins it

[vestal pine]

groaners are more dangerous now so if melee could theoretically have one it might be useful

[misty wraith]

easy access cc, doesnt work on half the common enemy pool

[vestal pine]

hey at least you can still swing at them

[misty wraith]

why shotgun when you can be a space ninja

[vestal pine]

it also kinda doesnt work on elites too i think so your biggest bet are bruisers and other high-priority horde members that recover fast from supression

really good design btw

[placid fiber]

Honestly I find the groaners being supressed to be more on the annoying side cause it makes me wif an attack lol

[vestal pine]

i mean

[placid fiber]

I mean it helps, but, in that instant I am annoyed cause I wiffed an easy hit xD

[vestal pine]

i'd definitely take terrifying barrage for stopping half a horde normal enemies while i maul a elite to death

[placid fiber]

I mean if it was on a melee weapon I might consider it

[fleet zealot]

"more dangerous"

[placid fiber]

but it's contending with much better options

[vestal pine]

not as in ovjective

as in "guys it got faster"

[slow stag]

i think i like marty build > inexorable

[vestal pine]

good for you

wveryone has preferences

[placid fiber]

Marty requires less brain power, imo

[vestal pine]

imho more

cause no cdr

[placid fiber]

I mean a mix of both

hacking is a bit more mindless, career skill useage is a bit more of a problem

[slow stag]

to bad cause i like the move speed of inex

[placid fiber]

I... don't think I've ever really noticed the movement speed of momentum lol

I'm more focused on the enemies in front of me than me moving a little faster

Granted I am more generally focusing on the enemies because I know disablers can just insta make you useless

[misty wraith]

the amount of times the pubs ive joined have gotten wiped by dog packs

pain

[placid fiber]

Believe me, I know the pain

[misty wraith]

damn

[placid fiber]

Or having to try solo clutching only to get caught off guard by a trapper

or the one time you get grabbed by a mutie you get thrown into the pit

[misty wraith]

so far full team wipes have always happened so fast that ive not actually seen a clutch happen

[placid fiber]

Clutches are hard

[visual stream]

Or a flamer/bomber cooks you while you're grabbed

[placid fiber]

^

[dark zealot]

fire nades make scary animals go away

[misty wraith]

aha ive gotten trapped right as a flamer started spittin at me several times already

[placid fiber]

I think we all have, lol

It sucks

[misty wraith]

need to escape the throwing knife addiction

[placid fiber]

I use throwing knives because I forget about nades, 99% of the time

[misty wraith]

sammme

[placid fiber]

My marty build is the only one I use nades on

[ember yew]

You just aren't addicted to Fire Grenades yet, which are insane tool for auric/ms, which has high density

[slow stag]

@placid fiber i mean being able to take swift certainty and thy wrath be swift together

[placid fiber]

I've seen the work fire nades can do, a time or two

[misty wraith]

ive certainly seen what well timed incendiary barrels can do, i have to imagine molotovs are that but on demand

[placid fiber]

I don't leave home without twbs, lol

[lyric rain]

I stopped taking it because I don't notice it at all 😐

[slow stag]

i take thy wrath i cant afford swift with marty

[placid fiber]

I've had way too many clutches happen due to twbs to not take it lol

[misty wraith]

oh twbs lets you tank health damage during revives?

[placid fiber]

no

[ember yew]

dropped twbs from all builds atm, aside from chainaxe4 and thammer

[ember yew]

twbs makes you immune to interrupts when you are doing puzzles

[lyric rain]

Z has so many autopicks already, it's good no doubt, but the least noticeable out of the other autopicks I think

[slow stag]

this is the build im running for marty mk15 heavy evisc i wish i could afford second wind though

[lyric rain]

left side of the tree is too good, ends up being a 4pt spend to get to TWBS

[misty wraith]

does beacon of purity actually do anything useful

[placid fiber]

the only difference between that and my marty build is instead of duellist I take the +15 toughness below the 20% unyielding damage

That's for me personally, tho

[ember yew]

not really, can be used for pox gas missions

but not like it's required

[slow stag]

i just wish i could get second wind but u need bleed to badly for marty\

[ember yew]

you can try momentum node and get second wind and stuff too

[slow stag]

this is the one iwas tryin

but i miss my martty

[placid fiber]

the backstab kill cdr is so hit or miss... when it works it works... when it doesn't? Well fuk u

[ember yew]

you can remove desperation, SC and get backstab cdr and scourge if your mk15 is with Rampage/Shred

[ember yew]

its still somewhat bearable to apply attack speed buff most of the time

[placid fiber]

I mean I take it when I have shroudfield... otherwise I generally don't take momentum

[spare dome]

id just drop UD and HR tbh

[slow stag]

my mk 15 is ramp / moment

[noble ingot]

which one is better?

[placid fiber]

@spare talon You're more of a knife expert than me, do you know which of these 2 is better?

[hard nexus]

probably the first

[placid fiber]

Thank you

[hard nexus]

are you running blazing piety?

[placid fiber]

When it comes between mercy killer and flesh tearer I drew a blank

[hard nexus]

if so, you can get rid of the +crit chance

its better to have +flak or cara

or maniac

[visual stream]

played overwatch today

[hushed agate]

Your fault for playing that abysmal non-game

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[slow stag]

DAM U HADRON bricked

such a nice frame 2

[hushed agate]

Interesting axe

[slow stag]

she didnt want me to have nice things

[ember yew]

2nd one if you willing to aim for da heads

[ember yew]

bricked only till crafting update

you still got top class "carcase"

[noble ingot]

no, its a classic stealth build: knives, loner, shroudfield and judgement

[noble ingot]

bricked but keep it till crafting update

[ember yew]

then both are bad, mercy killer still a better choice though

[placid fiber]

I... I can't fix her...

[ember yew]

with scourge stacked you are at least 54% critrate

[grizzled aspen]

flesh tearer
mercy killer
Pretty sure neither of those blessings are proper for a good knife.

[noble ingot]

I mean.. flesh tearer seems good for horde cleanup

[grizzled aspen]

Because for flesh tearer, you're banking on a crit, and if you're getting headshots with a knife (like you're supposed to be doing anyway), nothing is going to survive long enough to bleed.

[ember yew]

for horde cleanup best setup is riposte + precog

[grizzled aspen]

Mercy killer also banks on either having bleed setup, which means you need lacerate (also a bad blessing), a bolt pistol with puncture, a shotgun with flechette (which I'm pretty sure also needs a crit to proc), or you have to bank on scourge proccing bleed.

[ember yew]

he get's bleed from scourge

and with 54% ch

its okay

[grizzled aspen]

Which you probably won't have scourge proc bleed anyway because, again, needs a crit.

And things are dying to your crits before they bleed.

[noble ingot]

if I go with the 2nd knife, what should I replace Mercy Killer with? I normally go for backstabs/headshots with elites/specialists and just mash LMB on horde clear

[ember yew]

the density is high these days it will get stuck either way

[ember yew]

you can use riposte or precog

[grizzled aspen]

Precog or riposte, yeah.

[ember yew]

i would go with riposte

[placid fiber]

Isn't the mk 3 knife all about push attacks and heavies?

[grizzled aspen]

Riposte is going to make you crit almost every time when it procs.

[noble ingot]

I'll try riposte, got a t4

[grizzled aspen]

Going to get more mileage out of scourge with that.

Crit makes them bleed which gives you more crit chance to make them bleed more.

Anyway, put riposte on that 2nd knife instead of mercy killer and use that until you get a good mk6 knife.

Mk6 hits the same bps as the mk3 and has a better moveset.

[noble ingot]

I'm kinda used to the moveset of Mk3 already

because that's all I've been using

[grizzled aspen]

The mk6 is a lot easier to use for horde clear, trust me.

[noble ingot]

noted

[placid fiber]

I've only swung the mk 6 a few times and I can tell you I like that moveset better than the mk 3's lol

and I hate the knife

[grizzled aspen]

The takeaway from this is that bleed blessings are not good unless you're running vet, and even then they may not be better than other blessings depending on your setup.

I think the mk6 also has a more precise push attack so you can melt crushers.

[placid fiber]

So, how long until the uncanny nerf?

[grizzled aspen]

I remember mr parry enthusiast posting something where he 3shot a crusher with only push attacks and no precog/riposte or talents.

[grizzled aspen]

I figure they'll rework a lot of blessings with the crafting update to reign in outliers like power cycler, uncanny strike, and brutal momentum.

Hopefully we don't see as many nerfs as we see buffs.

[placid fiber]

I hope they make the autopistol at least somewhat more useable, because it honestly is just a meme atm

[north sedge]

all nerfs no buffs i say

[grizzled aspen]

Autopistol is only good with raking fire iirc, and you don't even get good value out of that unless you're mag dumping an elite's back while they're chewing on your teammates.

[ember yew]

with stacked uncanny i think its around 1400 per headshot crit on pushstab

so 3 hits

[ember yew]

autopistol the meme gun

[grizzled aspen]

That's definitely a take.

[ember yew]

[grizzled aspen]

One of the takes of all time.

[placid fiber]

which is why I pretty much just have it for surprise trappers, maniac ragers, and toughness regen

and only when my melee CAN kill everything

already

[calm salmon]

If by meme you mean "unmitigated dogshit" then yes, yes it is.

[grizzled aspen]

I don't run pistols unless I'm playing vet.

[placid fiber]

I have it for a specific build

otherwise I don't use it anymore

[grizzled aspen]

Bolt pistol and revolvers are excluded because those aren't true "pistols," I consider them to be hand cannons.

I mean, revolvers shoot something that looks like a 45-70 gov't cartridge.

That's a large fuckin bullet.

[ember yew]

i seriously consider it the worst gun in entire zealot line up, HHs are strong if you can aim and run piety, IAGs work too

but this thing is just sht no matter what you do

[grizzled aspen]

I like the agripinaa autogun on my zealout.

[ember yew]

and they dont bother with it (autopistol)

after they nerfed it

[north sedge]

they should nerf ranged chastise again

[placid fiber]

They made it go from good to garbage...

[grizzled aspen]

The fire rate is very manageable at longer distances and I can still drop gunners in 8ish bullets.

[placid fiber]

Make it so you heal enemies?

[radiant nacelle]

I'd like to see overpressure with the flame thrower fixed pls

[ember yew]

in 2027

probably

[thin marlin]

ngl maybe this is me, but its kinda weirdly annoying seeing all the zealots with knives, just knowing its so meta like idk i like using other weapons and builds

and i feel almost not as good just for not always using it

[ember yew]

knifes is not really meta, it's the fastest way to best talents to save points

[north sedge]

knife is overrated, always has been

[thin marlin]

really?

i see literally every good zealot run it

[calm salmon]

Because its the best way to path through the tree

[thin marlin]

how so

sorry im not so familiar with the meta

[jovial flame]

Don't really prefer knives

[ember yew]

right side has the best talents and you can grab TWBS without going out of your way

[jovial flame]

Prefer playing more support

[calm salmon]

Like. . .

Everything after knives is open to player interpretation

[north sedge]

he's talking knife not throwing knife

[thin marlin]

wait

[spare dome]

are we talking knives or tknives because i half suspect yall are talking past one another yeah

[thin marlin]

omg im dumb

[calm salmon]

Oh

[thin marlin]

i meant dagger XD

sorry lol

[calm salmon]

If you're talking dagger fuck off

[ember yew]

[calm salmon]

It's dogshit

wheee me r fest

Is neat for like. . . 2 minutes. Then you're forced to kill more than one bruiser at a time and it all comes crashing down

[spare dome]

this man cannot hit heads

[calm salmon]

Uh

1 shot 1 bruiser per swing
1 shot 4 bruisers per swing

I'll take option B thanks

[placid fiber]

Maybe for the non-skilled players... but the ones who know what they are doing can melt things with it

[calm salmon]

Gimme rashad with b/momentum any day of the week

[grizzled aspen]

Mk6 opener heavy can cleave several bruiser heads.

[spare dome]

hmmm yes bromentum an excellent touchpoint for considerstion

[north sedge]

i dont think knife is bad, but it is pretty overrated

[radiant nacelle]

I can't be assed to hit heads. Sometimes it's more mental ram than I want to spare. Just chainsword cleave that shit

[placid fiber]

I am not defending the knife, but, I know it can kill stuff

[calm salmon]

I definitely oversell how bad knife is

[placid fiber]

in the right hands

[calm salmon]

But its effort is 12,000%

versus literally everything else at like. . . 30% at best

[ember yew]

riposte / precog knife definitely makes horde cleaning less painful, but it is what it is

[grizzled aspen]

Tbh, I find knife gameplay to be the most effortless, for me.

[ember yew]

a price for top1 single target damage (hammer can beat it on bosses, but cant on elites)

[calm salmon]

I'd rather use dueling sword on psyker over knife if I'm gonna be forced into a weapon that makes you weirdly mobile and has limited at best use-cases for horde work

[grizzled aspen]

Like even hsword cleaving through crowds like butter feels harder than murdering everything with a knife.

[north sedge]

🤔

[grizzled aspen]

Duelling swords are like the best weapons in the game, no contest. I don't see where this argument is coming from, tbh.

[calm salmon]

This hurts me

dueling swords are good

definitely not the best melee weapon in the game

They're, again, competing against combat axes

[grizzled aspen]

Passing the right perks makes you able to 2tap crushers.

[calm salmon]

holy shit dude

[grizzled aspen]

And yeah I'll hear none of this rashad nonsense because the only thing going for that is bromentum.

[calm salmon]

is the game 100% crushers

No?

Then what is your point

[calm salmon]

Great boss dps. Great elite dps. Great horde dps. It has literally no weakspots.

[placid fiber]

Crushers > Noobs

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[spare dome]

caxes are pretty damn good by default

i dont even put bromentum on mine

[royal vortex]

i'll tell you what fun is

[calm salmon]

Its not just bromentum carrying it - though its a huge part of the equation, admittedly.

[grizzled aspen]

My effectiveness at murdering carapace is directly linked to the survivability of my teammates because everyone I'm queued with uses their feet to play on a controller.

[royal vortex]

or well i'll tell you it's definitely not doing a true duo with knife 3 + graia brauto and tknives on both guys

[calm salmon]

So you're bad?

[ember yew]

tbh tactical axes wont lose to rashad even without bromentum (on taxes), been playing with Antax II/IV lately

[grizzled aspen]

No.

Teammates are just brainless.

[calm salmon]

And you should be able to play without them just fine.

Frustrated, but fine.

[grizzled aspen]

Like why would you use a med stim and turn around to use medicae?

[hushed agate]

Can we all just agree tactical axe is actually the best?

[grizzled aspen]

No, no, you don't understand bro.

Actual bots play better than these people.

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/killer-dog-gif-4951401

[calm salmon]

No if you're going off on a "fuck teammates" tangent I'm just blocking you

get over yourself

[hushed agate]

I am not a cabage

I am a grub

[grizzled aspen]

I find like one person out of every 15 people that actually pulls their own weight.

[hushed agate]

Look at my profile

[placid fiber]

Juicy

[royal vortex]

actual bots are almost invincible vs melee enemies (including elites) and get destroyed to everything else

[hushed agate]

:(

[grizzled aspen]

Otherwise they fall behind significantly in every aspect.

That's actually why I installed the scoreboard mod, so I can see whether I just performed really well in a match or if I performed OK and my teammates were just shite.

[ember yew]

hidden imba

[spare dome]

yea the bots feel like they were straight ported from VT2 in damn near all respects

[ember yew]

[spare dome]

so their melee game is surprisingly strong

even bots know to push bursters

[grizzled aspen]

If my teammates all have their stats in the same ballpark and I'm leagues ahead, then I performed well. If I had only normal stats and all my teammates had bad stats then they were bad. It's literally basic numbers.

[hushed agate]

[royal vortex]

and then they just instantly die to shotgunners

[placid fiber]

Which is kinda sad

[royal vortex]

they actually get saved quite often by enemy hitmass stopping shots

[spare dome]

or one patch of fire on the floor (same as vt2 lol)

[royal vortex]

because they can't actually kill crushers or bulwarks at any pace faster than the heat death of the universe

i am pretty sure they don't heavy attack

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[royal vortex]

so even though they can spawn with caxes theyre just kinda slapping the crushers

[grizzled aspen]

This implies that quickplay teammates can kill carapace before the heat death of the universe.

[spare dome]

the bots dont know weapon specials exist

[royal vortex]

i mean yeah half of the pubs i get are voidstrike/plasma/etc

[open echo]

high voltage or ligtning reflexes for shock maul

[royal vortex]

its never the crushers that get them

[placid fiber]

poxwalkers, am I rite?

[royal vortex]

its sitting 40 meters behind you and getting dogged then immediately ragequitting

[grizzled aspen]

High voltage.

[royal vortex]

which is the favorite thing of a pub to do

[grizzled aspen]

PLEASE trade me lobbies, I beg you.

I only get ciag idiots that mag dump trash.

[spare dome]

you assume they arent also doing the same

[royal vortex]

the thing here is at some point you need to stop paying attention to what theyre doing until you see a red exclamation point and then an "X has left the game"

the saddest thing the penance update seems to have done is really instill having 0 commitment to a match even if you face a mild inconvenience

[spare dome]

yeah like the most impressive part of a ten minute monstro specials clutch I recorded is that all three teammates stayed lol

people are way too reticent to accept/sit through with having committed a fault

[grizzled aspen]

I take my L's with grace tbh.

I've died several times to bad positioning and getting dog'd.

[median steeple]

The ass penance and it's consequences on auric Maelstrom

[grizzled aspen]

Like, it happens.

[royal vortex]

one of my favorite pub-isms (semi related) is when a dude says "i'm a psyker i can't keep up"

[thin marlin]

i always see zealots with like 210 toughness clutching wwhen everyones dead with a dagger

[vast basin]

If you take L's with grace stop complaining about your bad teammates here

[royal vortex]

seemingly unaware that psyker actually has the highest conditional movespeed in the game

[hard nexus]

then you’re gonna want to put riposte on it

[calm salmon]

i just tab out to reddit when I die

I'll get picked up eventually, or my team dies

no reason to leave

[grizzled aspen]

I take my L's with grace. The L's of my teammates being garbage are theirs.

[royal vortex]

i'll take the shittiest teammates known to man over ppl trivializing the game

[calm salmon]

Surprisingly, I have the. . . strongest mental?. . . in Darktide and I dunno why.

[vast basin]

Well when you lose the mission because you and your teammates die, that is also your L

[calm salmon]

It never really tilts me, hadron's casino of stupid bullshit aside

[hard nexus]

real

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/icfpws

[hard nexus]

i haven’t gotten mad at darktide except once

[royal vortex]

this guy was fkin awful

[hard nexus]

with an impressively terrible team

[royal vortex]

but he was memorable as fuck

(we lost)

[calm salmon]

last time I was able to check for accurate stats, I had a 73% W/L rate

Every time my team lost, it was my fault.

I'm too good at the game to blame other people for losing.

[hard nexus]

doubly real

[vast basin]

Yes.

[royal vortex]

and ive played countless matches that were uneventful because there were =>2 good players

and i couldnt tell u shit about em

this guy had the awareness of a fuckin seasponge and it was LEGENDARY. i am here for it

[grizzled aspen]

At least it was funny.

[calm salmon]

that's just unfairly shitting on seasponges

they react to being touched

[grizzled aspen]

People in my lobbies die and try to backseat game.

[royal vortex]

oh he did too he just couldn't handle that and sensory input

https://streamable.com/95nod1

[grizzled aspen]

That's why I've been switching to European lobbies instead for most matches.

[royal vortex]

he gets touched twice by snipers and he is sent on a mission

[grizzled aspen]

I'll take a little bit of lag if it means I get to replace the squeakers with some drunk Scottish guy.

[median steeple]

Hmmmmmm wrong!

[hushed agate]

I NEED SNAIPAHS

[hard nexus]

when

EXAMPLE

NOW!!

[royal vortex]

i dont even understand what he's trying to communicate

"i need someone to countersnipe" is outside of his vocabulary, let alone conceptual understanding

as evidenced by him seconds later walking into a daemonhost with the intentionality of a landslide

[grizzled aspen]

He could've also been trying to say something else, then got shot and just completely dropped his previous thought.

[royal vortex]

he is a force of nature

[spare dome]

is this man the new leroy jenkins

[grizzled aspen]

Head empty, brain scrambled egg.

[drowsy steppe]

I thought hes roleplaying his class iq

[north sedge]

my favorite pubber was a dude who audibly vaped everytime he went down, which was almost every fight

[ember yew]

oh shet moments

[royal vortex]

he wanted us to squad up and then mankar told him to go back to heresy and he was sad

[spare dome]

lmao

awww

[hushed agate]

Id love to play with him he seems so joyous

[royal vortex]

mankar fuckin HATES when we get someone interesting in a pub

[spare dome]

mankar why u so poopy

[royal vortex]

i have to make him keep them unmuted

[coarse birch]

Im with mankar here that guy would drive me up the wall

[grizzled aspen]

Who is this mankar individual and why does he not sound fun at parties?

[median steeple]

see right there

so angy

rage inside you

[royal vortex]

you have to choose between him and a smite psyker

there's a 90% chance whoever backfills your lobby is a smite psyker

always

[north sedge]

Mankar was with me with the vaper and enjoyed him as well

[coarse birch]

I just want to play the game and i might actually have to focus with someone like him

[royal vortex]

that wasnt the first dh he died to

btw

[coarse birch]

Id have to think about it

[royal vortex]

the first one he tried to shoot without his gunlugger ult up as we walked into a cspawn trigger

and then was like "...this isn't the team for this"

[royal vortex]

dude

this guy had his dodge key unbound

it was great

[coarse birch]

What the fuck

[royal vortex]

every special that targeted him

he fell

[grizzled aspen]

At that point he just should've done as much damage to the cspawn as possible before the dh dragged his ass to the warp.

[royal vortex]

and he would rise and unceremoniously die like 30 secs later every time

but that dude probably had more fun than i was

[coarse birch]

Ill give him credit for staying at least

[royal vortex]

i was trying to trigger manstopper on like 4 maulers and then died to an overhead and i got to witness the tragic fall of wurmstrum from mankar's pov

[coarse birch]

I find dt players either cant fathom being punsihed for mistakes by waiting or they will be content with being dead the whole time

[royal vortex]

i will never forget the speedrunner who was so annoying me and mankar left him and his level 25 psyker friend dead until the sycorax end event

[coarse birch]

Good

Speedruners in pubs were my first block ever after like 800 hours

[royal vortex]

none of them are ever like funny or anything

half of them don't even have the small amount of mechanical skill required to pull it off and will get immediately dogged then leave

if ur gonna do something annoying u should at least have a personality of some sort

[coarse birch]

Im not even sure that would save them

[royal vortex]

u just hate fun

[hushed agate]

Erm... MODERATORS! We have a fun hater! Please dispose of them

[royal vortex]

this guy keeps fish reacting a dude i need him banned IMMEDIATELY

[noble ingot]

finally

[royal vortex]

welcome to the club

[grizzled aspen]

Brb gonna go fish react every single one of Josho's messages ever.

[coarse birch]

I just dont want to listen to people being obnoxious

One of the main reasons i stopped playing siege the community made me want to die

In a different way than we are talking but

[spare dome]

yes

yes it did

[royal vortex]

i love it when u encounter the Pub Creature

[merry flume]

oh man did i miss some dumbass getting axed for being a dick

😔

[ember yew]

Merlin — Today at 8:23 AM Pertaining to this issue, as far as i can see, it appears multiple mods on nexusmods got hit by this, and it may pertain to the backend reconfiguration and implementation by nexusmods recently to allow comment searching from July 4th. Most likely a bad actor used the potential new feature to inject malicious code to payload mods. Nexusmods version will need to be overwritten to fix this. Nexusmods is silent on this, most likely two brain cells having a competition for third place in the good old game of passing the football. i.e. developers are trying to find which intern to blame.

wat

[royal vortex]

like this one recon vet who called out the most random shit ever

[coarse birch]

My fight or flight is triggered when someone open mics

[royal vortex]

multiple "there's a [singular] pox hound, it might get me"

[hard nexus]

nuh uh

i am full of love

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-sleep-silly-fishy-real-gif-9170522553956703794

[hard nexus]

and joy

[royal vortex]

when i was solo clutching he gave me a motivational speech about how i needed to stay true to my beliefs or some shit and overcome this challenge to win the darktide match

and described the ambient elites that spawn at a rescue point as a "massive enemy presence" on the magistrati walkway section

like the dude did not shut up

[hard nexus]

my friend calls out literally everything and it’s kinda funny but also annoying lmao

[royal vortex]

but he was a fkin legend

[hard nexus]

he’s new so it’s understandable

but like

[royal vortex]

pub creatures are great

[coarse birch]

Maybe i am just grumpy

[hard nexus]

dwarves?

[royal vortex]

you're given like half an hour of this guy's life and u learn shit about him

and then u never talk to him again

a funny one i had is a void psyker who ran from a fkin plague ogryn because the upstairs area on the first section of consignment yard is apparently a "death trap" for boss spawns

and then we killed him while the void psyker was walking back up and he was like "this is some MAJOR dps, i've never seen this"

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-react-fish-react-him-thanos-gif-26859685

[royal vortex]

he tried to be a mission commander until after the 2nd time he blew himself up

[frosty herald]

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[royal vortex]

and then he got quiet

real quiet

[hard nexus]

wait the area by the riser holdout?

[royal vortex]

like the sense of shame was palpable

[royal vortex]

consignment yard

when u get to that area where u go up the stairs

[hard nexus]

right

[royal vortex]

it's the first boss trigger there

[hard nexus]

isnt consignment the sewer start

n you go into the wide open area

[royal vortex]

riser is a completely different tileset last i checked

[hard nexus]

yeah it is i mistyped

[royal vortex]

consignment yard is not a sewer

[hard nexus]

wait

[merry flume]

https://tenor.com/view/koi-fish-hungry-gif-6192506198447154370

[hard nexus]

OHH

[merry flume]

mmm bellets

[hard nexus]

consignment yard isn’t train yard

i think

i’m

severely stupid guys

[royal vortex]

do u smell burnt toast

[hard nexus]

no im just severely silly

[grizzled aspen]

f i m s h

[royal vortex]

anyways pub creatures are great and u have to cherish them because theyre like little forest creatures

[north sedge]

Got that stan disease, can't see trains

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-pogfish-fish-openmouth-gif-20357594

[royal vortex]

and turning off voice chat is literally killing the amazon but metaphorically

[merry flume]

i made a pub creature stop talking with 4 words

[spare dome]

i have destroyed the amazon

pray i do not destroy it further

[royal vortex]

fucking jeff bezos

SWINE

[merry flume]

he immediately tried to backseat game after taking damage and I just said "you guys hear that?" then quiet for the rest of the game

[royal vortex]

lmfao

powerful

[hard nexus]

okay i remember consignment now (i looked it up)

[royal vortex]

i've developed a new routine

[hard nexus]

yeah that’s stupid lmao

[royal vortex]

where i tell people i have to shit right before the end event

[spare dome]

lmao

[royal vortex]

to motivate them

[spare dome]

at work i was saying this as a joke

[royal vortex]

i do not have to shit

[coarse birch]

The Amazon should probably be destroyed for me

[royal vortex]

i just want them to feel like they have a greater purpose

[hard nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27442765

[grizzled aspen]

I wonder how many things I can fish react before a bot nails me for spam.

[hushed agate]

Josho hates fish

[solemn holly]

did the revolver change in anyway lately? my friend keeps not killing enemies that he normally killed

[hushed agate]

He's ignoring us

[spare dome]

"you guys don't have to deal with bad customers. If some dude is an asshole just say 'I would love to continue this but I gotta go take a shit' and drop your apron and walk off" and my boss was like "you cant say that, its unprofessional." So i told him I'd love to prove him wrong but i gotta take a shit and walked

[solemn holly]

he havent played in a while

[north sedge]

Revolver has not changed

[royal vortex]

inspirational

[hard nexus]

maybe it’s a talent difference?

[solemn holly]

like sometimes he oneshots trappers and sometiems he 3 shots them

[grizzled aspen]

Enemy hp thresholds may have changed or he may have changed something with breakpoints.

Maybe he isn't critting?

[solemn holly]

maybe?

[north sedge]

Not aiming long enough

[royal vortex]

i laughed way too long at the kharn dude's reply

[grizzled aspen]

Yeah surgical is based off the time you ADS so maybe he's just getting unlucky with crits.

[royal vortex]

i only started laughing like 5 mins after when i stopped to ponder

the text face is what really did it for me

he is SO fucking happy about making sure an ogryn doesnt shit himself

[coarse birch]

I woke up to this

[royal vortex]

i told mankar you were going to wake up to it and he said "you don't have to do that" or something to that effect

[coarse birch]

I appreciate mankar

[royal vortex]

mankar is a hater

[grizzled aspen]

I've pulled the "I need to piss" card when playing vet once and the ogryn just said "YES, SAH" and went full demon mode on everything within arms reach.

[coarse birch]

How is mankar a hater in this context

[grizzled aspen]

Like I genuinely believe that man locked in for that moment.

[spare dome]

For the Throne (read: toilet)

[royal vortex]

he was annoyed that i had started laughing so long after the fact

and the laughter only intensified so by the end of the round i was actually in tears

losing my shit over a completely static thought that did not change

[coarse birch]

I wish i could be more like you josho

[spare dome]

it's all possible with brain damage

[royal vortex]

don't we all (we don't)

[hushed agate]

Just put more hours into darktide

[royal vortex]

what's a couple self inflicted concussions among friends

[nimble fiber]

[coarse birch]

Ive already had 2

[fleet zealot]

[coarse birch]

I dont need a 3rd

[royal vortex]

my sense of humor is just like that

[placid fiber]

I feel so bad, I didn't know my kitty was behind me and I think I stepped on one of her paws with my shoe 😦

[royal vortex]

the longer i marinate on something with just the right amount of dumb baked in the funnier it gets

[grizzled aspen]

Josho seems like the kind of guy that has like severe stage 27 brain rot but is still somehow functional.

Respectfully.

[royal vortex]

"brain rot" is a copout

[coarse birch]

I mean i cant say im not dumb

[placid fiber]

Neither can I lol

[coarse birch]

I spent 30 minutes fighting out how id nail a pizza to joshos wall

[royal vortex]

you're still in denial about the minifridge

its ok

we all have things to work on

[coarse birch]

Youll fit in the mini fridge dont worry 🙂

[royal vortex]

damn i cant bait u to do the same thing again

[placid fiber]

Sounds productive.

[royal vortex]

sad

[grizzled aspen]

I'd cut a perfectly pizza shaped hole in the wall and just replace the wall with pizza instead.

[coarse birch]

Which same thing i have threatened you with fridge before

[royal vortex]

u started angrily denying your minifridge's homosexuality in front of skele

because i mentioned its existence

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-rabbit-cute-gif-15676652

[hushed agate]

What are you yammering about

[coarse birch]

You never mention it on its own

Dont act like im crazy

[royal vortex]

yoshi is just kinda like this

makes shit up to get a rise out of people

[placid fiber]

I think my brain cell just got dumber after reading this

[coarse birch]

Hes projecting

Dont buy into it

[placid fiber]

It hurt to read that lol

[royal vortex]

u dont have to buy anything

my wares are free

and true

[frosty herald]

I wonder what focus is gonna do with sm2 being gold

[placid fiber]

super metroid 2? :3

[coarse birch]

Propaganda

Lies

[placid fiber]

I'll... take it that it wasn't super metroid 2... >.>

[slow stag]

my minifridge def is gay, short, cold doesnt respond to my sexual advances

[placid fiber]

Aw man... I feel left out since I don't have a mini fridge...

[hushed agate]

They are a waste of money and make noise

[slow stag]

they cheap now u can even get a mini mini fridge it holds like 4 beers ha

[calm salmon]

fatshark made it marginally easier to grind plasteel huh

[misty nova]

Advancing is not worth it, once your mini fridge opens up you'll notice that she's cold inside and will only use your energy

[calm salmon]

think I've played three matches since the machine god update or w/e and I have 2900 plasteel now

don't even try and I get 900

thanks fs very cool

[hushed agate]

Nice little bandaid until we get crafting rework

[calm salmon]

yeah its not like I'm gonna be spending it. I hate hadron with the passion of a thousand suns

[hushed agate]

Fair

[calm salmon]

I don't know how I feel about weapon bases still being random though.

Like, sure, they were random in VT2 too

But at level 30(35 with the DLC release or w/e), it was 295-300

so it took like 6 tries to get a 300, then just time for red dust

[opaque island]

I never did see a red weapon in VT2

[royal vortex]

at least with the itemization rework you won't get a perfect stat roll and then get shafted anyways

[calm salmon]

I've got a handful in 200 hours or something like that

197.2 apparently

and I think i have 8 or 9 reds?

couple trinkets and necklaces, a few weapons

[placid fiber]

I have 1 red of every item that I can use x.x

I was busy in the chaos wastes

[opaque island]

I fucking hate pox gas

[placid fiber]

Well guess what: ||Pox gas hates ur face||

[placid fiber]

Look at these amazing strike team options, Josho

[opaque island]

probably literally

[prime ridge]

Is there any reason a mk4 devils claw wouldn't work on a stealth momentum build?

And bear in mind I'm not asking if it would be the best, only if it would work

[hushed agate]

It doesn't do big enough damage in one hit to generally be good

[prime ridge]

It does enough to 1 shot gunners and the like, and it feels so much better to me than a knife

[drowsy steppe]

I see fish

[prime ridge]

At the market?

Or are you hallucinating

[fleet zealot]

i mean it could

[sterile basalt]

Usually people take stealth to 1 shot crusher/mauler/bulwark/bosses

[fleet zealot]

dclaw doesn't really do big single hits tho that stealth likes

[sterile basalt]

Not to 1 shot gunners

[prime ridge]

Well, I'm not married to stealth, I'm just trying to get the penances done. Is there a different style that lends itself to dclaw better?

[maiden path]

crit

[prime ridge]

Just the basic bitch fury build?

Ok then, so follow-up question: how do I make horde clear on stealth builds not fucking miserable

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile my clutch build that has a heavy sword... <.<'

[maiden path]

its called u dont horde clear on stealth

[fleet zealot]

rampage sweep on mk4 dclaw

[prime ridge]

Oh good

Conflicting opinions

[placid fiber]

You do you

[maiden path]

listen 2 me not them

i wake up in a coffin like a vampire

and shoot up and go 'bleeeh'

[placid fiber]

If you want to mk 4 devil's claw it then do it

Just make sure you aren't a liability

I don't care what build you have if you can hold your own

[prime ridge]

95% of the time I am not the backpack.

[misty nova]

Light heavy loop

[placid fiber]

Bring a knife vet for all I care, just hold your own

[prime ridge]

5% is reserved for over confidence hours

[placid fiber]

Sometimes you just get out-bs'ed before you can get into the zone

[prime ridge]

Run around a corner thinking you're hot shit straight into that 30 pack of ragers

And make the fatal mistake of blocking a hit

[placid fiber]

Yeah I think I've done that a time or two, in my past lol

[prime ridge]

That's been my bane since the rager update

[placid fiber]

I usually use my ranged weapon for ragers, tbh

The heavy sword/rashad isn't too shabby for them, tho, I found out more recently

[prime ridge]

That's all well and good til there are 20 of them and your gun is empty

Hence my desire for dclaw

[placid fiber]

If there's 20 ragers and you're out of ammo, you have more problems than just the ragers tbh

[heady abyss]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ba3ffe3-5e55-4150-a4cb-331701467f23/zealot-berserker-immolation-grenade-fury-of-the-faithful-blazing-piety-auric-ready what do you guys think about this build?

[placid fiber]

the gunners/snipers/trappers/bombers all come out then

[fleet zealot]

holy shit the weapons are perfect for once

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1243459200844042321/Darktide_replay_2024.04.18-03.20_-_Trim.mp4?ex=668edadf&is=668d895f&hm=e47a382baf69e6f7195c2157cfcbb8fd0e038b21a2a2b2763e6fcd6b1a7d1cc9&

That's what the devils claw is for

[prime ridge]

Just kill the trappers through 50 people

So they don't net you through 50 people

[fleet zealot]

it's veryyy good build so far, only thing on the curios i will say, is that resistance curios have diminishing returns, you'd get a lot of value from swapping one gunner resistance to a sniper resistance

[maiden path]

dclaw is the best weapon cause u can feel cool when u 1hit a rager with a parry

https://tenor.com/view/genji-gif-22538431

[sterile basalt]

Stealth Rashad is real

[maiden path]

i be doing this

[fleet zealot]

and the only other thing i can say about the talents is that don't bother with left side of blazing piety extension, always go right side

[prime ridge]

Hit em with the no u

[fleet zealot]

other than that, 9/10 for a gameslantern build

my faith in humanity is restored

[heady abyss]

Thought same thing

[fleet zealot]

like, even 3x gunner resistance isn't bad, it just multiplicative so each one has less value

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-of-tsushima-ghost-ready-to-fight-gif-22070870

pulling out dclaw to fight a horde of 80 crushers

(i get fucking obliterated)

[prime ridge]

Why do gl builds have the shredder on? Isn't that still dog water?

[heady abyss]

But isn't ability Regen better than toughness or health?

[prime ridge]

Honor maintained

[fleet zealot]

you have crit cdr

health and toughness minor perks are amazing value

[heady abyss]

...

[fleet zealot]

you don't need ability regen if you have a good cdr node

[heady abyss]

I think I made a terrible investment with my curios

[fleet zealot]

haven't been updated
person updating it never reads

pick one or both

[prime ridge]

What do you mean haven't been updated? Was it good at some point?

[opaque island]

so when do yall think we're getting new "classes" i guess it would more likely be tech tree extentions

[fleet zealot]

when pinning fire was 100% boost yes xd

[placid fiber]

Good thing I don't upload my marty build. It is specifically tailored for me, and has the autopistol(which I don't EVER recommend)

[fleet zealot]

i see getting at least one whole new archtype before we get tree extensions

besides maybe the 30->35 thing vt2 did

[maiden path]

4 years

[opaque island]

actually like a new class I.E veteran zealot ogryn etc?

[prime ridge]

I still want tech neophyte class

[fleet zealot]

yes. current theory/guess is that the next archtype will be admech of some sort, but it hasn't been confirmed

and as for when, probably not for a while

[calm salmon]

wait

[fleet zealot]

it happens, just stalk shops for ones with good bases

[calm salmon]

people are still coping about a new class?

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[placid fiber]

^

[opaque island]

I mean they did it for VT 1 and 2

[fleet zealot]

i'm not coping about it, i'm saying out of any possibility, it will most likely be admech if it does happen

vt1 and vt2 used careers and feats

we have talent trees

[calm salmon]

I'm positive that if fatshark does anything, they release DLC trees

[sterile basalt]

Very rarely

[opaque island]

that was my initial question, how long do you think until they do something like that

[fleet zealot]

the balance implications of adding on a whole'nother branch would be astronomical

[fleet zealot]

late next year at the earliest

[calm salmon]

bro I heavy attack a horde as ogryn and gain over 50% toughness per swing

[sterile basalt]

I need field engineer skill branch for veteran (AT mine blitz, barbed wire ult)

[calm salmon]

balance is already dogshit

tossing more onto the pile just isn't an issue

[prime ridge]

And they'll be really ducking good so you need to buy them!

[fleet zealot]

yea but i'm not talking about that specific form of balance am I?

no, your point balance, how one moves across the tree

[calm salmon]

Oh

[fleet zealot]

do you slap the branch on the right or left side?

[sterile basalt]

I mean who wouldn’t want to go stealth and throw down 3 AT mines in front of enemies as veteran

[calm salmon]

just let non-dlc owners skip past dlc nodes like they don't exist

[placid fiber]

Yes

[calm salmon]

or hide them from non-dlc owners

[placid fiber]

Half on the right side, half on the left @fleet zealot

[spare dome]

add another node to stealth that lets me tie the enemies shoelaces together

[placid fiber]

[sterile basalt]

Honestly I think making the dlc section top side (different direction) from the current tree is prob the way to go

[prime ridge]

Straight up the middle

[fleet zealot]

that would suck for any new players, open up their talent tree and a branch as a price tag on it

[sterile basalt]

So it doesn’t interact with the existing stuff as much

[placid fiber]

That too lol

[calm salmon]

Knowing fatshark, it'd be like 4.99

[prime ridge]

I mean it's already that way on vt2

[fleet zealot]

the pathing taxes would be bigger

[fleet zealot]

no it wasn't

[opaque island]

I was thinking more like a whole nother "branch" off to the side with its own nodes and keystones talents etc

[calm salmon]

they seem pretty content not making characters(or whatever it is we're talking about) particularly expensive

[fleet zealot]

they were separate careers who stood on their own,

this would be like having 3 careers mulched into one big tree (like it is for DT) then releasing the dlc career and slapping it in there

[calm salmon]

In any case, I'm on my "Nah" saga for DLC characters in darktide

[prime ridge]

I opened the game the other day and was met with "hey look at these dlc careers you don't own and can't play

[fleet zealot]

I can see at least one dlc archtype in the far future

[calm salmon]

Fatshark talked about it almost two years ago and then we've gotten literally nothing since then

[sterile basalt]

They could make the dlc skill branch go on top of the existing tree so it doesn’t give extra pathing into existing trees to mess up balance

[calm salmon]

DAE remember "Every quarter"

[opaque island]

That just means they're working really hard on it!

[fleet zealot]

yes, but they were at the end of the career row, and you had 3 careers to unlock and decide if you like that character or not

[prime ridge]

Isn't that par for the course?

[fleet zealot]

is this the "subclass every quarter" arguement?

[calm salmon]

No. Usually they talk about stuff they're working on, in varying degrees of vagaries

[calm salmon]

Kind of

Mostly I'm just over the future of darktide

I'll believe whatever when its in my hands

until then, its irrelevant

[ripe quest]

Add them to one side then make the first point connect to all 4.

[placid fiber]

They're gonna do what they're gonna do, and some of us are gonna bitch about it but ultimately continue playing

[fleet zealot]

i think that arguement is a bit dumb considering talent trees were 8 subclasses worth all at once, in a better system

[sterile basalt]

Top side seems best

[fleet zealot]

not all trees start like that tho

[calm salmon]

real talk though. Do I continue mining in star citizen or do I go back to dying in Doom Eternal because I put it on nightmare

DE breaks my brain though. So. Much. Weapon. Swapping.

[placid fiber]

Do one on one monitor, and one on the other

[drifting wolf]

doom eternal

[opaque island]

doom eternal for the adrenaline

[calm salmon]

I definitely like the "old" doom formula better over DE

[drifting wolf]

embrace the pain it will make you a hardened pro gamer