It’s so strong it isn’t even funny
#zealot-class
crisp furnace
zinc talon
come to the land of self propelled high explosive bullets!
use a gun from the wild west
fleet zealot
Would fix psyker and vet would have to adjust and invest in a healthy way
vestal pine
It’s so strong it isn’t even funny
achylis is funny tho
vestal pine
Def wouldn’t fix anything
noooo my bleed knife
tbh when that happens i fully switch to riposite precog
ember yew
Crit chance +crucian instead of just surgical
its hai noon
fleet zealot
I want bleed knife dead with uncanny /hj
vestal pine
over my dead body
zinc talon
I want knife in a place it's not the only weapon half the class doesn't ever stop clinging to and solely using
it's like the bull butcher was back near release
fleet zealot
Knife is a plague on vet and zealot and they all build it badly half the time
vestal pine
knife is still unique on what it does
zinc talon
people pigeonholing themselves into a single weapon then getting burnt and bored and leaving cuz one weapon variant way outclassed the vast majority of the rest for a given player type
fleet zealot
it's like the bull butcher was back near release
BButcher except you have people running the shittiest blessings
vestal pine
even if toyou fumble the killing part you still get the mobility
zinc talon
which, begs the question why
placid fiber
What do you guys think of my new bracelet?
fleet zealot
Crit damage weakspot damage perks, lacerate flesh tearer blessings
vestal pine
people pigeonholing themselves into a single weapon then getting burnt and bored...
meanwhile im complaining about zealot melee variety after making 13 builds with melees
zinc talon
all it does is tempt the user into fucking off three rooms down the road and making team cohesion less effective and less of a 'thing'
fleet zealot
Haymaker mk3
vestal pine
Crit damage weakspot damage perks, lacerate flesh tearer blessings
bleed knife is p funny
zinc talon
think of someone you know who uses the knife habitually/primarily
how often are they right there with the group working together
(heh here comes everyone's one outlier example)
vestal pine
heres the thing, you cant fix it cause mobility is a knife's knack
if you wanna fix it people probably call out to add unarmed which will be shit at everything but hey you run fast or something
vestal pine
(heh here comes everyone's one outlier example)
cant really comment on this cause even if i do a support knife going out and kill somrtbing with a backstad is a nessesary part of knife gameplay so
fleet zealot
I don’t main knife so i usually stick to the same area when i do play knife
Which is frontline vanguard
Where i’m just killing everything i can
And hoping my team covers and supports me
Backstabs are so forced on knife
It’s just a cherry on top bonus
vestal pine
well i use it on rashad too
fleet zealot
No need to force yourself around it
merry flume
WHY ONLY 20 WHEN THE WEAPON PERK VERSION IS 40
vestal pine
i will point out that it does have some interesting usecases with raking fire to +60% damage
murders BoN and bosses and running away specials
merry flume
WHY DIDN'T THE DOUBLE BARREL NOT GET RAKING FIRE??????
merry flume
guys im playing my shotgun backshots build
fleet zealot
WHY ONLY 20 WHEN THE WEAPON PERK VERSION IS 40
Because zealot is a melee class
fleet zealot
guys im playing my shotgun backshots build
Thugshot ogryns
merry flume
Because zealot is a melee class
ur right, give momentum the 5% damage back
fleet zealot
I mean that’s old meta
Still useable
Current meta is the same exact thing besides deathblow instead of rampage
fleet zealot
It’s a serious step up but
vestal pine
but yknow
fleet zealot
-1 isn’t too bad
vestal pine
true
grizzled aspen
Just burned 5k plasteel trying to get a decent double barrel and hadron bricked 5 370 rolls.
Going to cry now.
acoustic dune
Just burned 5k plasteel trying to get a decent double barrel and hadron bricked ...
she is teasing you or smth
idk
vestal pine
very perfect
fleet zealot
It’s -2.5% weakspot damage
fleet zealot
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4fa304-0b88-4cf8-827a-d0435327a8c3/ze...
Not zealot meta
fleet zealot
😭
vestal pine
which is why i am seeing too much "omg we'll get red weapons and 500 modifier weapons"
ember yew
check talents
vestal pine
which is like the dumbest shit
ember yew
they aint better
ember yew
vestal pine
thoughts on rashad
vestal pine
dude hates snipers huh
ember yew
thoughts on rashad
leave BM, go flak + unarmoured
fleet zealot
thoughts on rashad
Change both perks
vestal pine
ye
fleet zealot
Zealot doesnt need unarmored
vestal pine
but its on psyker
fleet zealot
We can greed for maniac
vestal pine
not on zealot
vestal pine
time to zealot-psyker meme
fleet zealot
Well excuse me princess
north sedge
vestal pine
also my best axe
slate void
That's a nice axe
vestal pine
on this build
used to go benediction and fotf
but uh
nerfed so changed to this
fleet zealot
But why
slate void
Huh
Wounds and stealth on a rashad?
fleet zealot
Fotf got one little nerf to ranged
karmic whale
what are we thinking for bis on the new double barrel?
naive stirrup
interesting roll there hadron
vestal pine
because caxe no longer 2shot crushers after the changes to fotf was made
mostly cause the gimmick was changed from armor down to actual rending
some did say it was silent-buffed again to 2shot but i have grown to like this build so
merry flume
if uncanny didn't exist ruthless backstab would fuck
fleet zealot
Ruthless backstab sucks ass fym
merry flume
does uncanny and ruthless stack?
vestal pine
yes
fleet zealot
No
merry flume
lmao
vestal pine
but no point of stacking i think?
fleet zealot
Rending has a hard cap of 100% from all sources
north sedge
Fotf got one little nerf to ranged
its useless now completely 😔
vestal pine
Rending has a hard cap of 100% from all sources
rending exceeding bleeds out as damage in 4 to 1 ration isnt it?
fleet zealot
rending exceeding bleeds out as damage in 4 to 1 ration isnt it?
That’s not what i said
merry flume
Rending has a hard cap of 100% from all sources
then why even give it 24% with 5 stacks 😭
fleet zealot
That is a completely different limiter
vestal pine
thats quite wack then
fleet zealot
<:ThinkHmm:638927740531376138> then why even give it 24% with 5 stacks 😭
Because they did the change to rending cap and never touched uncanny
merry flume
can i work at fatshark
naive stirrup
how many people wany my head on a pike then because of the knife i'm currently using 
merry flume
no i wouldn't do anything i'd just collect a paycheck
ember yew
can i work at fatshark
they are on vacation again, try your luck in 2025
fleet zealot
But ruthless backstab sucks ass it only applies to your hits
ember yew
slate void
Not at my PC but this is what my axe and build looks like
fleet zealot
how many people wany my head on a pike then because of the knife i'm currently u...
On a pike? Nah, wooden spear, yes
naive stirrup
On a pike? Nah, wooden spear, yes
fair
naive stirrup
i need hadron to STOP GIVING ME FUCKING HAYMAKER
fleet zealot
Why would you skip duelist
merry flume
What the fuck
if it works it works
fleet zealot
Why would you skip BM
vestal pine
shred
fleet zealot
It doesn’t work
merry flume
doesn't need to be best in slot everything
fleet zealot
It works poorly
slate void
I don't test for breakpoints and it works
merry flume
imagine if zealot had a tree that looked like vet
fleet zealot
People can run the dumbest worst shit and think they discovered some secret meta
merry flume
then build variety might be a thing
north sedge
they should add ranged chastise back and then nerf it again a day later i say
slate void
People can run the dumbest worst shit and think they discovered some secret meta
My entire gaming career summarized
vestal pine
People can run the dumbest worst shit and think they discovered some secret meta
so reason i dont use fotf anymore
fleet zealot
they should add ranged chastise back and then nerf it again a day later i say
Amen
And like
If you are going crit memes
Go blazing piety
Rashad has finesse as a stat
slate void
so reason i dont use fotf anymore
Is this with Invoc
merry flume
just give ranged chastise the increased damage on the first shot
vestal pine
its not much different from stelf and stelf can get more damage with backstabs so
fleet zealot
It’s like it exists with the intention to be bad at being off meta
merry flume
me with my double barrel with manstopper 
south folio
its not much different from stelf and stelf can get more damage with backstabs s...
on the first hit of course
south folio
let's not forget that FotF baseline is pretty good w/o taking upgrade nodes
fleet zealot
Upgrade node*
north sedge
let's not forget that FotF baseline is pretty good w/o taking upgrade nodes
ruined forever 😔
vestal pine
on the first hit of course
i can agree on the faster followup, chatti is still quite king on how it works
slate void
Idk shit about this game's meta, I never even use blocks or shoves in gameplay lmao
merry flume
lmao
vestal pine
ive heard of some vet mains sticking to shred BM and then using the uhh dodge to get crit talent to get like, 50% crit rashad
but thats about it
south folio
i don't block or shove either cuz this game does not emphasize them at all with the combat they have
fleet zealot
Idk shit about this game's meta, I never even use blocks or shoves in gameplay l...
Sliding, not needed, shoving blocking, not needed
south folio
dodging is just too good
slate void
Okay I do slide tho
vestal pine
i don't block or shove either cuz this game does not emphasize them at all with ...
block guardbreak is more punished in this game than vt2 isnt it?
south folio
to the point of making all other options inferior
merry flume
i slide so i can take the ammo first
fleet zealot
Well you said you were a console player and a ton of console players say it’s too hard to slide
south folio
i never played vt2 so i wouldn't know, but the block cost in this game seems to be quite higher
vestal pine
no like
fleet zealot
Ahhh i hate it here
south folio
i know that dodges worked differently in vt2
fleet zealot
I hate u all
vestal pine
in this game there is a mandatory "i get stunned" period
fleet zealot
Vt2 dodges costed stamina
vestal pine
i dont think that exists at all in vt2
merry flume
I hate u all
fleet zealot
And the dodge fall off regenerated one at a time as opposed to all at once as it does in darktide
vestal pine
vt2 dodges were the same, we just didnt have run back then and block were different from "stamina"
also i think its the same
least with the uh
UI telling me that is
south folio
vt2 dodges certainly sounded different in that they don't have the pseudo-iframes that we have with melee
fleet zealot
Rats hit so fucking hard lmao
vestal pine
or maybe im just in nostalgia fuckrealm
merry flume
funny spear rat that hits you for 3/4 ur hp
fleet zealot
That too
fleet zealot
or maybe im just in nostalgia fuckrealm
Yes
spare dome
go to VT2 and youre gonna realize real quick how fucking hard you've been crutching on toughness
ornate bone
Actually the block too
north sedge
yea there's alot of fudging because of the peer to peer
vestal pine
go to VT2 and youre gonna realize real quick how fucking hard you've been crutch...
i crutch on temp health there
imho better kek
fleet zealot
go to VT2 and youre gonna realize real quick how fucking hard you've been crutch...
Good vt2 is cringe nae nae and that’s where all the stam + efficiency stacking boomers come from
vestal pine
1% health? lets just shove a shield onto rats and get 90% health back
ornate bone
Couldn't play shade for shit outside of South American hosts
ornate bone
Yeah
vestal pine
p2p worked well for me
fleet zealot
vestal pine
i dont think rats hit that much hard
ornate bone
I basically play shade in Darktide and it's like super fucking goated when you aren't assfucked in the ass by ping every 5 steps
vestal pine
or at least i feel that way cause how toughness works in this game you will get downed in some point
fleet zealot
They literally will chunk 3/4ths of your hp
vestal pine
and in vt2 you can just ignore shit and get THP like a maniac
fleet zealot
In DT you can tank a crusher overhead albiet it will put you close to death if you do
In vt2 a cw will just one smash you
Thp sucks compared to toughness
fleet zealot
THP is just padding that replaces your lost HP
ornate bone
I have vague memories of VT2 having a dynamic damage system where a lone slave rat penetrating you from the back (it's consensual, you agreed to the EULA) increases the damage it deals, or maybe it was more rats dealing less damage per hit to make up for the amount of enemies
fleet zealot
You get toughness in melee in DT as well xd
vestal pine
which always bleeds into main health unless you are at the very top
spare dome
I have vague memories of VT2 having a dynamic damage system where a lone slave r...
correct
ornate bone
THP is like toughness on crack tbh
spare dome
the more stuff around you the less damage a thing will do
its the lone ratty that does like 80
spare dome
and no, toughness is 100% better/easier than THP
vestal pine
cause thats how stagger thp works
fleet zealot
Or swing your chsword into a horde
spare dome
its ridiculously strong
fleet zealot
And get 90% toughness back
ornate bone
But THP can't bleed through uwu
vestal pine
yes, but if you get hit in 90% toughness that bleeds into main hp
spare dome
because THP is just HP
fleet zealot
its ridiculously strong
Remember when toughness was a true overshield and didn’t have any bleedthrough
vestal pine
thp does not do that
spare dome
i dont at all hear your arguments here lmao
ornate bone
I'll shit your pants then
vestal pine
lmao
spare dome
DO IT YOU COWARD
fleet zealot
But THP can't bleed through uwu
Yes it does lmao because it doesn’t have the toughness grace period
spare dome
tru gotta warm up
visual stream
At least neither are like THP from L4D
ornate bone
Oh, there's something getting warm alright
fleet zealot
Until you are low low HP
fleet zealot
At least neither are like THP from L4D
I like l4d temp hp and i can appreciate it for what it is
visual stream
It definitely works better for that game
ornate bone
WHY DOES LEFT 4 DEAD NOT HAVE A BLOCK BUTTON
vestal pine
At least neither are like THP from L4D
vt2 temphp was akin to l4d but in l4d there was like 2 means of getting it and it was only for a consumable
fleet zealot
L4d is made in a specific way
ornate bone
HOW DO I PARRY THE ZOMBIE
visual stream
"Shove or shoot?" "Both"
fleet zealot
L4d2 added a shove cooldown but now there is melee weapons, only 1-2 people would get them because you still wanted dual pistols for ammo efficiency and a deagle for the headshot damage
Melee oneshot all horde iirc
visual stream
The need for ammo efficiency straight up doesn't exist in L4D2 LOL
dark zealot
I am the horde clear
fleet zealot
I think you wanted sniper holder to hold duallies and shotgunner to hold deagle?
fleet zealot
The need for ammo efficiency straight up doesn't exist in L4D2 LOL
Side arms were literally infinite ammo
Duallies were yuge
fleet zealot
And then the 2 melee folk to run standard ARs
visual stream
And in the second installment duallies are nigh useless compared to melee and deag
vestal pine
deag also oneshot all hordes
visual stream
Especially given stronger guns and more frequent weapon/ammo drops
Funny change of power
fleet zealot
Deag was for spec sniping imo blasting hordes would get you stuck in reload
Anyways
vestal pine
i think its good on that one wierd gamemode called zonemode where only t1 weapons drop
fleet zealot
2 shotgunners were used in Expert Reals
south folio
deag is nice in realism where it continues to oneshot commons
fleet zealot
Because you couldnt crown a witch with one blast anymore
fleet zealot
deag is nice in realism where it continues to oneshot commons
Yep
spare dome
fleet zealot
Idk what to consider the main difficulty expert or expert reals
fleet zealot
No lmao
vestal pine
i play versus
visual stream
Why him drowning in grass
fleet zealot
Versus had so many mode specific balance changes
spare dome
this world is sink or swim
fleet zealot
It was basically it’s own game
People who played versus would not play like they do in campaign unless they are absolutely tryharding
visual stream
Versus is definitely the most popular mode at least nowadays, but co-op was definitely the main focus of the game
vestal pine
true
but seeing a tank bhopping towards you while movingthrow a rock
its something
visual stream
Avoidable but teammates always get hit and then it'll keep happening because damage timer reset
vestal pine
seen a guy who only plays l4d2 versus for the past 10 years do that
visual stream
Only with one of the animations though I'm p sure
vestal pine
ye
visual stream
The one where he picks it up from lower right
vestal pine
idk never did it myself
he has a meme where he misses all the good shit charger does
and then does well on everything else
visual stream
Is there a way to get the animation you want? I don't think so but it's cool to curve rocks
vestal pine
kek
acoustic dune
Is there a way to get the animation you want? I don't think so but it's cool to ...
curve wot
vestal pine
rocks
acoustic dune
what kind of rock shape boomerang are ya saying
visual stream
silly rock left4dead2
vestal pine
the guy always did the funny ride on top of the world and jump a survivor for 30 free damage hunter shit kek
acoustic dune
i thought you meant darktide
vestal pine
melees in l4d2 also had anim cancel
so
pretty much best allrounder
tank chasing a guy and thers a guy behind chasing the tank melee canceling the fuck out of the tank
just 20 shots and ded
stiff bear
What do ya'll think? Go for it?
acoustic dune
idk i only use knife
visual stream
What do ya'll think? Go for it?
Nope
I don't use evisc but that pen plus only 1 thing you'd want on it is eh
Is that in Melk shop or upgrade?
stiff bear
Melk
visual stream
Oh yeah don't touch it 
stiff bear
Granted, this is my current main melee
I just need to figure out a build that I can actually really enjoy, kinda just doing infiltrate at the moment
stiff bear
Zeal
visual stream
Okay not sure how different the BPs are then so I won't suggest what changes to make
At the least I'm sure you can change the specialist damage to flak, maniac, or unyielding for boss damage
fleet zealot
Granted, this is my current main melee
BT to savage sweep or shred
Specialists too
Hmm
Maybe flak or maniac
Could also check unyielding, elite and carapace in meat grinder
visual stream
Carapace would be aight for killing crushers better as well
Not the most value compared to others tho
fleet zealot
Chsword is the worst chain weapon into crushers/carapace
What matters is meaningful breakpoints tho
visual stream
Still helps if that's what they use it for, not the choice I'd go with
BT definitely goes though
storm elm
Clandestium Gloriana
Malice
Low Intensity Shock Troop Gauntlet
Daemonhost spawn on the walkway entrance that a teammate walks straight into immediately followed by a Beast spawn, also on the walkway
visual stream
Clandestium Gloriana
Malice
Low Intensity Shock Troop Gauntlet
Daemonhost spawn ...
Oh yeah a boss always spawns in the starting area usually Definitely the most chaotic mission start in the game
wraith cipher
so the cosmetic that block the psykers vision... do they see using the warp or something?
stiff bear
Yes
vestal pine
🅱️ain
visual stream
so the cosmetic that block the psykers vision... do they see using the warp or s...
I like the recent one that is literally just a leather shoulder guard with some screws in it and they called it a day
serene geyser
whats a good point to start auric
quasi marsh
whenever you feel like it
wraith cipher
whenever youre clearning damnation
visual stream
whats a good point to start auric
When you can comfortably do non-auric 5s
wraith cipher
regularly
vestal pine
so the cosmetic that block the psykers vision... do they see using the warp or s...
description refers to that yes
wraith cipher
ah i dont read lol
stiff bear
Or maybe I can use the Mk7 shotgun
zenith cloud
Granted, this is my current main melee
crit
stiff bear
?
bitter anvil
stiff bear
Gonna use the mk7 shotgun with it and run slugs vs bosses I think. I could also use the boltgun, I have a nearly perfect one to use....
visual stream
If your ranged weapon isn't good for carapace and you don't have immos, I would consider carapace
If you got boltgun that should be decent enough for cara though
stiff bear
I have immolation grenades
visual stream
Good choice
zenith cloud
Special vs carapace is kinda weak. But those blessings are decent enough to work around
coral smelt
recomended blessings on flamer?
south folio
blaze away + (inspiring barrage or overpressure or something else i'm forgetting)
i personally like inspiring barrage so that i can take potshots while flaming
coral smelt
dump stat is dmg and mobility right?
south folio
yeah
vestal pine
i personally like inspiring barrage so that i can take potshots while flaming
quickflame
i do wonder if getting burn 67 flamer used is possible
cause at 80% ammo you get another round in the mag
pretty hard modifier BP kek
fleet zealot
just go for 76% burn, 76% cloud, 80% ammo
vestal pine
which is hard
i have 2 80% ammo and they are both 67%
what does 76 burn do also
15 stacks? 16?
fleet zealot
maximum stacks+ fastest stack application rate
cloud radius last BP is 76% as well I believe
vestal pine
max stack is 15 or 16 cause i cant remember
vestal pine
mine is lower than that, sucks
ripe quest
Should be 15, 16 is beyond 80%
hushed knoll
Should be 15, 16 is beyond 80%
ripe quest
<:blobwaver:542837222387482663>
hello stan
hushed knoll
What’s poppin Exhillious
coral smelt
anyone got a max dmg max first target dagger i can look at?
mint brook
so since we talked about last time how martyrdome is a bit too much into the investment route
i thought about working on a rework suggestion
here is a little something:
What if every lost wound gave an effect to you and your allies?
instead of a stacking effect, we talk new effects
on 1 wound lost it does x, on 2 it does x AND y
north sedge
mint brook
so on and so forth
vestal pine
marty's problem is that it forces wound curios
fleet zealot
nah
vestal pine
not that it has a "cost"
fleet zealot
wounds is a good niche
for it
i will die on this hill
% hp martyrdom like we had at launch was stupid asf
vestal pine
i dont use toughness on wound talent
fleet zealot
what
mint brook
i will die on this hill
good that there are many hills
fleet zealot
well that's your own decision
vestal pine
which is fine tbh
south folio
it forces wound curios but ultimately it's going to be the same as running toughness cuz of the upgrade node
spare dome
my issue is you need to be down on your third wound (+24% melee damage, +12% attack speed) to really break ahead of just inexorable judgement on baseline
vestal pine
you can sue good balance and get similar levels of resistance
south folio
besides the itemization and being really annoying with multiple loadouts, this "forcing" is whatevs
vestal pine
it forces wound curios but ultimately it's going to be the same as running tough...
still not sure if the toughness resis can compete a 115 toughness to a 170 one but
idk
mint brook
it forces wound curios but ultimately it's going to be the same as running tough...
explain that one to me
spare dome
and judgement still does global damage instead of just melee damage
vestal pine
outside of gunners i think its marginal
vestal pine
marty and judgement are in fine places
south folio
mathematically, no, which is what confuses me
not the exact same, but of course that's tradeoffs
vestal pine
mathematically, no, which is what confuses me
my answer is that you kill stuff much faster now and best cc is a dead enemy
south folio
it's a glass cannon build
ripe heron
115/0.7 = 164
spare dome
quik maffs
vestal pine
hm, close enough
ripe heron
Slightly more because it's additive with tdr small nodes.
mint brook
it's a glass cannon build
yeah but i like to use something that i to me near and dear
vestal pine
Slightly more because it's additive with tdr small nodes.
it is? kek
mint brook
is it balanced? Sure!
Does it feel bad? Yes!
north sedge
🤔
north sedge
🤔
mint brook
just sucks that you gotta use wounds curious
fleet zealot
it's not really glass cannon
vestal pine
thats... the only downside
mint brook
not really any playstyle that makes you invest into a terrible stats
south folio
i can't hit trade as much as i typically do on martyr cuz i do have to stay at low hp
fleet zealot
unless you are purposefully taking damage beyond just letting chip build up
mint brook
like stam vet is ... iffy but at least you can block the enemy for ages then
fleet zealot
the TDR more than makes up for it
vestal pine
it's not really glass cannon
hardened glass, you drop it once it doesnt break but once it bounces on that little ledge that it makes it bounce twice its over
south folio
on other builds, I like to just let my health decay through hittrading and taking risky fights instead of maxxing out the raw damage right from the getgo
north sedge
except you get actual benefits out of the wounds on marty, they're no longer "just" wounds curios
mint brook
yes but it still feels bad to trade curious for it
south folio
tradeoffs tradeoffs
mint brook
idk, i think the best change would be to make wounds maybe a small perk?
instead of the big perk
vestal pine
im just scuffed baout needing to equip 3 wound curio to get the most effect out of it
i know a guy in here runs 2 wound 1 toughness and achieve 170 toughness
north sedge
there really is no need for a change
vestal pine
if anything piety needs a rework first
south folio
a more direct comparison
spare talon
a more direct comparison
NOT THE DESMOS SCIENTIFIC CALCULATOR
vestal pine
its a boring fucking keystone
spare talon
south folio
unborn lodge
Hello everybody
mint brook
Well i like it 
vestal pine
well f you then i like marty
south folio
zealot keystones all have some brainrot
vestal pine
mint brook
Fine 
ripe quest
What’s poppin Exhillious
Helldivers 2 stuff + making a TnT cannon museum in a minecraft server
mint brook
I shall unleash my purest anger
vestal pine
zealot keystones all have some brainrot
least momentum has dodge so you can exclaim its engaging
mint brook
south folio
piety has a boring activation condition, martyr has a boring activation condition but being on low hp is interesting at least, inexorable has some potential to be more interesting
vestal pine
judgement is on a decent track
south folio
i'd prefer more "in the moment" buffs rather than stuff that is essentially passive
vestal pine
marty is a glass cannon shit so its always gonna be interesting
vestal pine
piety is just swing your shit around and get passives
south folio
after all, what's the point of keystone if they're just going to basically do what the regular talents do
mint brook
i want it to fit more into the middle tree
ripe quest
zealot keystones all have some brainrot
Martyr should be the only brainrot keystone. Piety should be a reward for crits not an enabler, and Judgement should be peak maximum momentum schmovement gaming that isn't brainrot past a certain skill level.
north sedge
it's not really glass cannon though, it's very tanky
mint brook
the middle tree is meant to be the support tree yet whoops, here comes big damage 
fleet zealot
i'd rather martyrdom and the other keystones have thier places swapped around
than martyrdom changed
south folio
Martyr should be the only brainrot keystone. Piety should be a reward for crits ...
move duellist to below piety 🙂
fleet zealot
the order should go from piety->martyrdom->momentum
storm elm
Alright fellas I'm heading into Brunt's slot machine-- what Blessings do I want if I get a good roll on the double barrel shotgun?
And also for the MK XV Evis
fleet zealot
to martyrdom->momentum->piety
vestal pine
it's not really glass cannon though, it's very tanky
well, 1. has the worst cdr node in zealot and 2. you are still vulnerable cause you actively have to be on low HP
thats about it
fleet zealot
the middle tree is meant to be the support tree yet whoops, here comes big damag...
i do agree here
vestal pine
to martyrdom->momentum->piety
stop nerfing my rashad marty you soab
mint brook
i'd rather martyrdom and the other keystones have thier places swapped around
listen, if anything, i would say swarp blazing piety with martyr in effect, and COMPLETELY rework the middle keystone to still be wounds dependant, but more supportive
vestal pine
piety sucks
fleet zealot
mid tree is a mix of support and ranged bonuses, martyrdom does neither
mint brook
the left tree can then have marties OLD effect but stacks by ... idk .... killing elites?
fleet zealot
in fact, both momentum and piety work for ranged
mint brook
something at least
north sedge
well, 1. has the worst cdr node in zealot and 2. you are still vulnerable cause ...
well 1. has nothing to do with "glass cannon" 2. you still have a ton of built in dmg resist
south folio
piety good even generally cuz duellist
fleet zealot
no no no stop touching my martyrdom
why tie it abck to % HP
that objectively sucked more
wounds let you build a unique niche
fleet zealot
and synergize better with HR and BftE and RF
mint brook
even if it is insanely good in damage
fleet zealot
what
spare talon
move duellist to below piety 🙂
Swap duellist and dance of death
mint brook
the fun shouldnt be tied to an inherently shit mechanics if we are gonna be fair
vestal pine
well 1. has nothing to do with "glass cannon" 2. you still have a ton of built i...
1 has to do with chatti supporting your ass when the glass is about to break, other keystones lets you fo this but marty was the only one that couldnt
thats about it
kinda a skill issue
mint brook
who tf is going piety wounds
ohn you talk piety
vestal pine
but thats why its a "glass" cannon
mint brook
thought you meant marty
north sedge
but thats why its a "glass" cannon
literally the tankiest build
vestal pine
also can we just rework piety to be more engaging
spare talon
also can we just rework piety to be more engaging
I thought old piety (with actual finesse weapons and not just shred evis) was very engaging
vestal pine
I thought old piety (with actual finesse weapons and not just shred evis) was ve...
what was the old one?
mint brook
i say remove piety completely and give it martrdomes damaeg boost, but make it more engaging, say killing elites or something
fleet zealot
piety was fine when it WASN't being abused by non finesse weapons
no cause that just means we have 3 vanilla keystones
and makes the keystone scale with difficulty
spare dome
it was basically just a free engine for dumb crit cdr shit
fleet zealot
which is bad
vestal pine
yes
mint brook
it was basically just a free engine for dumb crit cdr shit
basically its main issue
vestal pine
still kinda shafted that slower weapons didnt get compensation but glad thats out of the window
fleet zealot
i'd say just tap down the cdr a little bit and it's fine
mint brook
martyrdome shouldnt be selfish
fleet zealot
SLOWER WEAPONS DOn"T NEED COMPENSATION
vestal pine
uh
mint brook
it should help your team as well
ripe quest
move duellist to below piety 🙂
On-crit: Explode, 30s of Duellist, refresh Until Death.
fleet zealot
MARTYRDOM AND MOMENTUM EXIST
storm elm
How cooked am I
fleet zealot
Y'ALL NEED TO LEARN CONSEQUENCES
vestal pine
MARTYRDOM AND MOMENTUM EXIST
me pointing at rashad and chaxe dont work i assume
spare dome
i think you mean tradeoffs
fleet zealot
and raw in them middle
south folio
On-crit: Explode, 30s of Duellist, refresh Until Death.
<a:catyes:94517801771247...
on crit, DIE
spare talon
piety was fine when it WASN't being abused by non finesse weapons
Invocation of death should always have been a part of piety as a keystone, or it's sub nodes
fleet zealot
rashad can techncially go piety
spare dome
on crit, gain one crit dodge charge. on next dodge, shit ur pants
fleet zealot
it has a finesse scaling
spare talon
On crit
Gain 50 plasteel
vestal pine
crits enhancing dodges sounds funny
fleet zealot
i hated everyone
and I MEAN HATED
everyone who took my chaxe and made it a crit weapon for WHO knows what reason
spare talon
I still see people do it
vestal pine
chaxe was never a piety weapon
bold words
spare talon
Same with evis
fleet zealot
For real? Are these rolls at all salvageable?
oh i didn't zoom in i thought you finished crafting them
uhh
ripe quest
bold words
Chaxe is an ass crit weapon
vestal pine
yes
storm elm
Damn
stiff heron
Anyone got a zealot build? Levelling up rn and wanna try build toward something
fleet zealot
if you don't have a better shotgun/mk15 evi you could prob get them to work for the meantime
just check pins
mint brook
everyone who took my chaxe and made it a crit weapon for WHO knows what reason
chaxe crit?
fleet zealot
for the weapon guide
mint brook
thats true derangement
fleet zealot
@gray ice is the zealot weapon table updated to include Smaul and DBarrel
mint brook
at this point just sit down doing it 
mint brook
also have fun of that imagery
fleet zealot
at least some evi people i can see being stuck to shred and the playstyle
vestal pine
also have fun of that imagery
tbh better than whay i imagine
sterile dune
Good blessing for the xv evis?
spare talon
because IoD was stupidly OP
I will never stop lamenting it's nerf cuz people just kept using it with weapons that don't need it
spare talon
Good blessing for the xv evis?
Rampage and shred (or bloodthirsty)
fleet zealot
also
trying to tell people BT is for non crit builds
for evi mk15
another thing that irks
When you have BT proc'd the rest of your crit chance is wasted
why go scourge+blazing piety+ sometimes even shred on top of that and evenc rit chance perk
you can't double crit
hard nexus
mega crit
vestal pine
When you have BT proc'd the rest of your crit chance is wasted
but cant miss out on 140% crit chance
fleet zealot
there is no point to having 170% crit chance
hard nexus
risk of rain logic
vestal pine
but its funny
spare talon
there is no point to having 170% crit chance
This game should have warframe crits
spare talon
It crits your crit
spare talon
Doubling it
hard nexus
thats awesome
spare talon
Yes
hard nexus
should i get back into warframe
south folio
(no)
hard nexus
i havent played since
spare talon
Crit weapons in warframe consistently have like 200-300% crit chance
vestal pine
ok so i was trying to post my
hard nexus
like a few months before they added the new war
hard nexus
-1000 aura
hard nexus
true
the only benefit of loner is you get constant toughness gen right
like
thats it
hushed knoll
Helldivers 2 stuff + making a TnT cannon museum in a minecraft server
Cool, maybe you will get mentioned in a YouTube video again as ex-eyeless 
ripe quest
Cool, maybe you will get mentioned in a YouTube video again as ex-eyeless <:blob...
That would be very. There are an amount of emotions felt while processing that information.
fleet zealot
hushed knoll
That would be very. There are an amount of emotions felt while processing that i...
That was… vague. 
royal vortex
That was… vague. <:sus:940717155886973040>
actually it was text on your screen
good guess though
storm elm
for the weapon guide
Am I marginally less cooked?
stiff bear
Besides the boltgun, what other ranged weapons are good to pair with a chainsword for a Zealot?
fleet zealot
Am I marginally less cooked?
marginally, i would've changed both blessings but
hushed knoll
Wait is being cooked a good thing or a bad thing
fleet zealot
Besides the boltgun, what other ranged weapons are good to pair with a chainswor...
chsword is a flexible weapon so basically anything besides flamer
fleet zealot
Wait is being cooked a good thing or a bad thing
depends
if you are cooking that is good
stiff bear
Grab a quickdraw revolver from the armory
hushed knoll
What if you are being cooked
fleet zealot
but if you are cooked that's bad
stiff bear
hushed knoll
but if you are cooked that's bad
What if you say “let him cook”
fleet zealot
if peoplea re saying "WHO LET YOU COOK" that means you are cooking poorly
storm elm
Mamma mia
fleet zealot
let him cook means you support the cooking
hard nexus
Am I marginally less cooked?
upgrade ur damn curios
hard nexus
u have the plasteel
hushed knoll
let him cook means you support the cooking
The cooking of someone or someone doing the cooking
storm elm
upgrade ur damn curios
I only just hit level 30, I was going to get around to it lol
hard nexus
lmfao
fleet zealot
The cooking of someone or someone doing the cooking
could be either
depends on who it is directed to
hushed knoll
fleet zealot
visual stream
Stan learning lingo 
spare talon
the only benefit of loner is you get constant toughness gen right
The benefit of loner is you get good pathing for knife
That's the real benefit
vestal pine
because IoD was stupidly OP
storm elm
upgrade ur damn curios
What would you recommend btw? Toughness, Toughness Regen or Health?
hard nexus
What would you recommend btw? Toughness, Toughness Regen or Health?
for zealot, i just run all toughness
with +health and +toughness
though getting gunner resistance is also a good move
hushed knoll
Stan learning lingo <:pepehappy:1064609560066785291>
U need to learn lingo 
storm elm
Yee I have Gunner and Sniper resistances as a priority
spare talon
(heh here comes everyone's one outlier example)
vestal pine
tbh with the recent changes to flamer bolter might be out of the question
hard nexus
Yee I have Gunner and Sniper resistances as a priority
sniper res is something you can drop with experience
hard nexus
the only times i get hit by snipers now is either complete ignorance or just getting stuck on enemies
spare talon
but then ill have to change this into uncanny or something
You make me sick
storm elm
sniper res is something you can drop with experience
I plan on going into a lot of Malice missions for Flawless Execution and I tend to miss at least one Sniper when things get hectic
hard nexus
thats most of lacerate's posts
nimble fiber
vestal pine
You make me sick
it works on auric damnation qp
vestal pine
and the only build that can be put in 1 pic
visual stream
U need to learn lingo <:blobhammer:469915244429443073>
hard nexus
me
visual stream
Let him cook
spare talon
https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-meme-no-cat-no-cat-nuh-uh-nuh-uh-gif-5478596456695...
He does NOT agree at ALL
stiff bear
"Why didn't you guys help me with the DH?!?"
frosty herald
the third option is FOUL LMAO
visual stream
"Why didn't you guys help me with the DH?!?"
nm
spare talon
the third option is FOUL LMAO
frosty herald
You can call him a tin can comrade and he gets so unbelievably pissed
vestal pine
man i suck at this after i didnt used this for a month
vestal pine
You make me sick
also now that flamer is megabuffed
might change to that
and then change the melee to uh idk
use other stuff
fleet zealot
the third option is FOUL LMAO
GOD DAMN
vestal pine
mostly needs to kill crushers for me
spare talon
also now that flamer is megabuffed
Mega buffed is an exaggeration
vestal pine
Mega buffed is an exaggeration
true but yknow it kills things faster
vestal pine
before the haymaker PA spam was used to deal with hordes
vestal pine
lightspam for elites and then bolter to kill crushers
vestal pine
PA is heavy
ripe quest
PA is heavy
Are you sure? It wasn't last I checked.
spare talon
Also never heard of this guy
fleet zealot
spare talon
<:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
What's the tldr
vestal pine
Are you sure? It wasn't last I checked.
it counts as heavy and since heavyspam is the best spammable heavy attack out of both knives i went with that
ripe quest
Must've changed then, nvm.
ember yew
a lot of comparisons to Warframe too and how much The First Descendant is worse compared to it
ripe quest
I tried to make a Mk VI Haymaker setup and Haymaker wasn't proccing on PAs.
Was a while ago.
vestal pine
PA was heavy for uh
fleet zealot
extremely rare ferret deciding not to jump
vestal pine
least since last november
vestal pine
PA isn't heavy lmao
so anyways eat your words then kekw
dark zealot
What's the tldr
jeremy is acting kinda sus, also i swear these drop rates are rigged
vestal pine
jeremy is acting kinda sus, also i swear these drop rates are rigged
maplestory rigged multiple RNG chances
so
im not trusting them
vestal pine
only playing blue archive cause it has a decent story
vestal pine
proved by KR court/law
very funny seeing the shitstorm
right after the radical feminism incident
dark zealot
i got around 50-100 of 3% drop chances farming cleanrot knights even got two pieces off one enemy in elden ring
spare talon
a lot of comparisons to Warframe too and how much The First Descendant is worse ...
This is true
fleet zealot
so anyways eat your words then kekw
i'll eat your flesh
spare talon
But I've already done everything in warframe basically
dark zealot
i can do a 12.5% or 20% drop chance and not get anything after a dozen attempts
spare talon
Everything that matters
fleet zealot
nexon sucks ass
and ruined vindictus
actually changed one of the best (partial)mmo leveling experiences to one of the worst
vestal pine
only good shit i have with nexon related(except blue archive) is dirty bomb
fleet zealot
dirty bomb got ruined too
ember yew
and ruined vindictus
i remember it was quite popular and unique back in like 2010
fleet zealot
it litearlly took them no time
vestal pine
which they actually cut the publishing deal off before imploding
fleet zealot
i remember it was quite popular and unique back in like 2010
it was so good
vestal pine
cringe character
fleet zealot
you had the action fighting like dynasty warriors, source engine phsyics, and souls like boss fighting
dark zealot
but yeah i bet my left nut these drop rates are rigged
vestal pine
just assume rigged
median steeple
my fav piece of First descendant lore is this
fleet zealot
it rewarded being good at the game so much
i remember whne i solo'd my first raid boss
boss recomnended for 5-10 people, solo'd
dark zealot
no game was ever like that
its weird the game came out before rainbow 6 siege
ivory marlin
Why did someone feel the need to make this
vestal pine
i mean it was quite different from siege
fleet zealot
sword Lann was so nice
vestal pine
siege is ass in balancing dept but exclude that
fleet zealot
Why did someone feel the need to make this
how dare they ruin perfection
vestal pine
i liked the concept, the gameplay, the characters
fleet zealot
the devil will make a false god
dark zealot
i mean it was quite different from siege
class based "tactical" shooter?
ivory marlin
spare talon
my fav piece of First descendant lore is this
The paul tassi png
median steeple
yea LMAO
vestal pine
class based "tactical" shooter?
siege became a intel game with moba shit
spare talon
my fav piece of First descendant lore is this
Also are you very familiar with destiny music
spare talon
Gimme a sec
dark zealot
i liked playing pheonix
turret or minigun for me
vestal pine
bushwacha was fun
median steeple
Watching forgotten weapons just to go to the home page and get recommended shadversity🤢
vestal pine
rhino walljumping into point right into full auto minigun was also good but yknow
he was kinda weak
buoyant pewter
my fav piece of First descendant lore is this
Honestly I’m not a big fan of it so far. Not really for me
vestal pine
all things considered
median steeple
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1257039981529268265/1258640482024689684...
dark zealot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1257039981529268265/1258640482024689684...
what are you lookin at?
vestal pine
nader direct hits, fragger pineapples, fucking jav,
median steeple
interesting
vestal pine
javelin was like
median steeple
GoS vibes
vestal pine
the most ass character
when she came out it was noobtube
she still kinda is but least its only for direct hits now
spare talon
https://tenor.com/view/sus-cat-2-suspicious-cat-the-cat-looks-suspiciously-cat-s...
So you hear it too
vestal pine
she cant hit the wall near you and just obliterate your corpse
vestal pine
funniest shit with jav is with guardian
median steeple
that or like a fallen or vex boss?
spare talon
I've literally scoured all d2 vex music
vestal pine
cuase it prematurely detonates the explosive so in the dome jav just fucking suicides when firing the rocket
spare talon
I recall hearing this track a lot
vestal pine
funniest shit
vestal pine
jav trying to kill like 2 juicy medics with their rocket jumping in only to have a guardian drone in her face and explode
median steeple
dark zealot
we will never have f2p games like we used to
frosty herald
Sker ritual is just a mid cod zombies clone
delicate shadow
Watching forgotten weapons just to go to the home page and get recommended shadv...
fate worse than death
spare talon
Like doesn't that track sound like it happens as you walk into the glassway plate room
vestal pine
is shadversity bad?
vestal pine
so who do i watch for medival shit then?
median steeple
Like doesn't that track sound like it happens as you walk into the glassway plat...
yeah listening to it more def something from beyond light
spare talon
yeah listening to it more def something from beyond light
Which would explain why I know it's destiny 2
Cuz I grinded glassway nf on week 1 of final shape
delicate shadow
Shadiversity is both a shit person and wrong about a lot of stuff he claims to be knowledgable about
dark zealot
hes not a good person and his content is ass
elaborate?
spare talon
Shadiversity is both a shit person and wrong about a lot of stuff he claims to b...
Literally who
delicate shadow
if you watch him you're actively making yourself stupider
hard nexus
Shadiversity is both a shit person and wrong about a lot of stuff he claims to b...
i heard about all of that n it makes me sad cuz i used to watch him a lot a few years ago
delicate shadow
watch Skallagrim or Schola Gladiatoria
hard nexus
so who do i watch for medival armament
i think skallagrim is good still
median steeple
elaborate?
He advocates for AI "art" wrote a shit book about a child predator dictator finding redemption and it's a weird harem thing(iirc) he also grifts a lot calling things woke
mess of a human
vestal pine
right i think i watched a few of his contents
delicate shadow
Tod's workshop is also good if you're interested in crossbows and other medieval engineering
median steeple
so who do i watch for medival shit then?
like HEMA? or just history
delicate shadow
also if you wanna watch a wholesome grandpa do history stuff, watch The History Squad
dude's great
spare dome
more like shitversity
frosty herald
Forgotten weapons my favourite medieval channel
vestal pine
He advocates for AI "art" wrote a shit book about a child predator dictator find...
ignoring that book shit, uh
AI art is... wierd, but if you try to make profit with it go to hell lol
dark zealot
He advocates for AI "art" wrote a shit book about a child predator dictator find...
ai art is a bit of a dogwhistle though, people throw that around so loosey goosey and act like its all unethical and inherently satan
royal vortex
fuck shad come watch my right wing grift show instead
delicate shadow
oi fellas no fuckin' AI debate in here please
royal vortex
i'll be talking about how we need more asbestos in houses