There's no compensating for the weapon deciding to yank the aim off to Disneyland
#zealot-class
ornate bone
ember yew
grizzled aspen
I hate them because their only purpose is to mix in armor at head level to stop cleaves.
Thus, the bromentum dilemma.
cerulean moth
Exactly
those FUCKS
give me editing rights on that website
ill make paragraphs
spiral anvil
Tzeentch modifier in darktide please
I wanna kill a crusher that gives birth to 2 ragers
frosty herald
I wanna kill a crusher that gives birth to 2 ragers
It would be so insanely fun
grizzled aspen
I wanna kill a crusher that gives birth to 2 ragers
I NEED you to explode.
frosty herald
Khorne modifier speeds up enemies and gives them +1 armor tier
spiral anvil
If I explode you get two blue guihelbies, you want that?
frosty herald
Slaanesh heal overtime and give you a small damage buff
Nurgle is just the blessed stuff
Chaos undivided is maelstrom modifier with all previous modifiers
spiral anvil
Slaanesh definitely speed buff
Khorne drains your health as long as you aren't killing
ornate bone
Man, the bolter video on Reddit sent people a completely different message
Fuck's sake, they're so fixated on bolter stats that they ignore the bug I slowed down the footage for and outlined twice 
spiral anvil
38k dps 
neat drum
silly weeper
ember yew
No wutering waves representation
ember yew
Everyone has a first descendant or zzz craze atm
let them cook, ZZZ story is megabad and first descendant is questionable in terms of endgame + it's frikkin nexon
i expect some nasty P2W moves later (if those rn aren't enough)
hushed knoll
novel forum
i expect some nasty P2W moves later (if those rn aren't enough)
its nexon p2w on day 1
frosty herald
Zzz doesnt really have a deep combat system
Wouldve been cool with jumps and air juggles
ember yew
Zzz doesnt really have a deep combat system
The problem for the most part it's just flashy - yes
and god knows for how long it will be able to keep people entertained with just only repeatable daily/weekly/etc activities
frosty herald
They gotta hire dmc's combat director
ember yew
they surely can afford one
frosty herald
Wuwa got a vergil easter egg
ember yew
but i guess that one will work on Honkai 4
they already confirmed new honkai game
and i was thinking that ZZZ is technically Honkai 4, it's basically a copypaste of design
no open world, arena stages
better, but similar combat
frosty herald
novel forum
ZZZ is the going full meme with no brakes version
polar nexus
They listen too much to streamers. God I try to use mauls but I just can't.
frosty herald
Strange combos and timed blocks seems like its strongest gimmick
ember yew
They listen too much to streamers. God I try to use mauls but I just can't.
Same here
grizzled aspen
I have no issue using shock mauls.
spare talon
i dont know if its the shock mauls being weird or if they just dont click with me
grizzled aspen
They actually feel good to use, to me.
spare talon
cuz im just ASS with them
grizzled aspen
Try the agni one, it's very simple.
spare talon
if im going to use the agni im just gonna take the next step and use the crusher
frosty herald
Ill just use forcesword or powersword
ember yew
i dont know if its the shock mauls being weird or if they just dont click with m...
Everything that has shit cleave or subpar don't click with me since i only play auric and MS, so i judge based on that, with auric spawns "fixed" it's even more demanding right now for decent clear
i'm aint gonna use flamer
and as finesse weapon they didnt even added Shred to it
so you are stuck with skullcrusher/HV
placid fiber
awww I clipped my cat's front nails and when she darted off she was hiding under my chair... 😦
placid fiber
Why would a blunt weapon have shred
spikes
polar nexus
Try the agni one, it's very simple.
It is actually the one I had the best experience with (on zealot and vet). Probably because I used it like a taxe.
spare talon
spare talon
idk... looks corny to me...
frosty herald
Bros on another planet
polar nexus
They actually feel good to use, to me.
I am more concerned by the fact some said the guns were bad (none of the 1st generation were really good tbh, so there's room for improvement) and the melee were good :/
gleaming hawk
if im going to use the agni im just gonna take the next step and use the crusher
Crusher supremacy
hushed knoll
Cats can’t eat corn
cunning knoll
It's over
vestal pine
https://tenor.com/view/el-gato-corn-cat-eating-corn-gif-5639860210508569950
fuck me shes eating corn better than me
shrewd minnow
Coming back from a hiatus and looking forward to trying the new weapons;
What are the important breakpoints for the new double barrel and bolt pistol? They're slow and punchy, so break points are a lot more important than on most
frosty herald
Shotgun will oneshot mutants and ragers with little effort
Specialists get obliterated
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/el-gato-corn-cat-eating-corn-gif-5639860210508569950
Cats can’t eat corn
hushed knoll
yes they can
dusk surge
Hello! I wanna play Zealot more effectively but my build kinda sucks, I'm between level 28-30 and I'd like to know some good builds for supporting my teammates!
vestal pine
you wanna support teammates by killing enemies, giving them golden toughness and staggering everything around once per minuite, or going in stealth and backstab the biggest enemy there is
errant mountain
Hey everyone- I was wondering what the best blessing and perks are for the new shock mauls?
Specifically the indignatus
fleet zealot
Hey everyone- I was wondering what the best blessing and perks are for the new s...
skullcrusher + high voltage or perfect timing
errant mountain
skullcrusher + high voltage or perfect timing
Ok- I managed to get thrust and skullcrusher
both IV
Perks I got were- 4% crit chance and 25% flak
fleet zealot
thrust isn't too good since SMaul is more about repeated hits and doesn't hit good single hit BPs
flak is a great perk but crit chacne isn't
can't go wrong with maniac, elites should also be good,
errant mountain
I used 1 slot for the flak so either get rid of crit for carapace or get a new blessing
vestal pine
i recommend HV more than skullcrusher
mostly cause skullcrusher is quite annoying to proc
fleet zealot
nah
skullcrusher is up to 80% damage
if you have trouble staggering enemies just go grievous wounds and/or punishment talents
vestal pine
skullcrusher is up to 80% damage
only stunning them for short duration
idk ragers dont get stunned that much
south folio
on the other hand it's pretty big damage to everything else and you can take grievous to hit a heavy stagger bp
vestal pine
fair point
south folio
the uptime is counterbalanced by the massive damage bonus it confers
vestal pine
i still dont put it on the top since it doesnt regularly stun the big ogryn enemies reletively
south folio
it also being a debuff is technically a benefit though something i dislike for damage hoarding
you'll still need to special to stun ogryns anyways
and hitting them while they're spazzing out if going to proc skullcrusher anyways
basically similar to HV at the end of the day
spiral anvil
manstopper in shop, rewarded for doing nothing 
south folio
i don't really see much of a difference
vestal pine
and hitting them while they're spazzing out if going to proc skullcrusher anyway...
from my testing it only works half the time kek
idk why
during the stun animation it does 100/180% damage
on a 50/50 basis
imho HV is more reliable
yes it does more damage
south folio
ah right the tase ticks damage so i have to mod the healthbar mod to separate things out
guh
the numbers seem correct to me at least in the psykh
fleet zealot
well the way i see it , perfect timing is a must for in depth emlee combat
south folio
good music
bad human being detected
i hope rabbits chew your house down and you are left with nothing
left iron
nimble fiber
ivory marlin
Im currently dying
placid fiber
You took the words right out of my mouth
ivory marlin
Whatever sickness i have rn is killing me
ivory marlin
Real
left iron
Hello currently dying
ivory marlin
Hi ice
placid fiber
Whatever sickness i have rn is killing me
Remember to drink water. And for god's sake don't puke in the back of the car, we just got the seats redone from the last time!
ivory marlin
I haven’t thrown up yet but the fever aint fun
Also i lost my ability to breathe out my nose
ivory marlin
Doesn’t work
nimble fiber
do a backflip maybe
placid fiber
If it starts hurting to breath or something make sure to go to the er >.>'
rough galleon
Yeah you look awful too bud
placid fiber
Thanks, that was the nicest thing said about me all day! :3
placid fiber
Hello currently dying
Hey! No doing that! Not until Quick has done it first! ONE AT A TIME PEOPLE
rough galleon
They should've been quicker
Being crook sucks though, stock up on vitamin c and hope
placid fiber
Sickness is F tier, tell it to go away already
nimble fiber
Hey! No doing that! Not until Quick has done it first! ONE AT A TIME PEOPLE
I think ice ment quick lmao
placid fiber
I think ice ment quick lmao
oops, lol
mint brook
i honestly feel like the bolt pistol is garbo
like what does it do that the pistol cant? 🥲
mint brook
how?
misty nova
AoE Stagger
C'mon ask a harder question
mint brook
AoE Stagger
C'mon ask a harder question
why not just kill things?
zealots main issue is dealing with range, basically every tree makes him annihilate everything that comes close
if he has a weakness when talking about range vs melee, its defs his ranged capabilities
faint cape
Toughness on dodge + chastise, gunners are no longer an issue
misty nova
why not just kill things?
C'mon now, that will make me answer Flamer since infinite cleave
Or mag dump bolter
And it'll go on a tangent that has nothing to do with Bolt pistol
fleet zealot
you can get it to the point it will function for sniping specs/elites
misty nova
Too bad the pistol doesn't have the same Cleave as the Boltgun
mint brook
you can get it to the point it will function for sniping specs/elites
tell me how tho
give me the loadout so i can test that out in psykanium
cause i can not even remotely reach a damage threshold coming close to a oneshot
misty nova
tell me how tho
Probably extra weakspot damage+elites+rending+Focus Target
All on the talent tree
fleet zealot
idk what to say deadly accurate+ surgical
mint brook
not on zealot
i i am trying rn on vet
fleet zealot
well you should ask vet chat xd
lusty oar
it’s deadly accurate with executioner’s stance and marksman’s focus and the rending subnode
mint brook
C'mon now, that will make me answer Flamer since infinite cleave
Or mag dump bo...
mag dumping a bolter to me is legit one of the worst uses for the bolter
that thing needs a buff anyway
lusty oar
plus rending and ogryn damage
mint brook
there are way better weapons than that thing
faint cape
The just need to get rid of the god awful long drawing animation for bolter and it is fine
vast basin
Mag dumping boltgun is the optimal way for a zealot to use it imo
mint brook
Mag dumping boltgun is the optimal way for a zealot to use it imo
yeah but there are other people that need ammo
the bolter needs buffs beyond the awful draw time
vast basin
Okay? You don't need to take all the ammo if you have a brain
And just use knives for the draw time
mint brook
and why should i use the horrendous boltgun when i can just use other much less taxing horde clear options?
or just ... use melee
arguably the best quality about most if not all zealot builds
vast basin
Because you are a zealot, horde clear is easy
fleet zealot
no one is advocating using bolter for hordes xd
you mag dump it cause you need to clear the armor infront of you for weaopns like dclaw or hsword
mint brook
no one is advocating using bolter for hordes xd
i am making a conversation about if x weapons has a use if compared to y
pistol just outright outshines the bolt pistol
mint brook
same goes for the bolter gun getting outshined by basically every other horde option
vestal pine
ill put this in a language you can unserstand
do you use rumbler for hordes
mint brook
wanna hordeclear? Agrapina/columnus/flamethrower are by far better
mint brook
ill put this in a language you can unserstand
do you use rumbler for hordes
condescending much 🥲
vestal pine
bistol
fleet zealot
wanna hordeclear? Agrapina/columnus/flamethrower are by far better
but that's not the arguement lmao
fleet zealot
no one is saying bolter is a horde clear weapon and out of all those, only flamer is used for horde clear anyways
mint brook
boltgun spamming was for hordeclear
no someone made that argument
to mag dump it into hordes
vestal pine
good luck with any of the options you listed into spamming into crusher packs
fotf nerfed babaaaaaaaaaay
fleet zealot
no one said that lol they just said magdumping
which is basically only for crushers and bulwarks
vast basin
Yeah no one said mag dumping hordes
mint brook
you wanna tell me you actually wanna magdump into a singular enemy?
vestal pine
uh, i said crusher packs
vast basin
You mag dump a crusher or bulwark pack so that you can melee effectively
fleet zealot
you wanna tell me you actually wanna magdump into a singular enemy?
if it's to break armor your melee can't handle
yes
dclaw, hsword
specifically
vestal pine
also bulwark packs is not optimal
mint brook
if it's to break armor your melee can't handle
fleet zealot
it's not optimal because bolter sucks
mint brook
i SUPPOSE that is an argument i can not put my money to
vestal pine
4 shots to break the shield stance, its just better to bait and magdump kek
fleet zealot
and by sucks, they balanced it around being a vet
mint brook
cause i use weapons that deal well with armor
vestal pine
fuck you ferret i like my bolter
fleet zealot
they moved around bolters stats and now it has the stats of a precision weapon
that wants headshots and crits and careful playing
vestal pine
hm
mint brook
4 shots to break the shield stance, its just better to bait and magdump kek
slug shotgun does that in a single shot :p
fleet zealot
zealto specifically wants a bolter to magdump
vestal pine
slug shotgun was nerfed and it cannot kill bulwark with a single slug
vestal pine
that wants headshots and crits and careful playing
when was this change kek
fleet zealot
lol no one is saying kill bulwark
vestal pine
least my surgical bolter on vet is optimal now
vestal pine
ik
mint brook
slug shotgun was nerfed and it cannot kill bulwark with a single slug
no but it can destroy the shield stance
vestal pine
i just hate my musket not killing bulwark in 1 shot
fleet zealot
when was this change kek
when they started giving bolter buffs after the pinning nerf
mint brook
also lets not forget that the boltgun got another nerf with ranged no longer working with dash
vestal pine
when they started giving bolter buffs after the pinning nerf
very interesting. first time im hearing about this
vast basin
Every gun got that nerf though
mint brook
yeah but bolter needed ammo efficiency where it could get it
vast basin
And boltgun atleast got some extra ammo
spare dome
still a lame argument
vestal pine
i hope zealot soon gets a antiarmor ranged more than two
spare dome
removing foft ranged rending just normalizes outputs
vestal pine
i think boltgun is better now with extra ammo
mint brook
i think boltgun is better now with extra ammo
when did it get extra ammo?
vestal pine
you can still kill like 3 crushers with 1 mag
vestal pine
you sleep under a rock
mint brook
vestal pine
boltgun feels spiffy now on vet
it feels like its former self on zealot
vut hey what you gonna do
run agrapina eevolver(i am)
still hoping for thay
vestal pine
still hoping for that melta
zealot feels like it needs more armor dispatch tools for ranged
mint brook
didnt catch that buff cause i jsut wrote boltgun compeltely off
20 bullets aint a ton but it could be enough
fleet zealot
you can still kill like 3 crushers with 1 mag
used to be peak 13+ crushers before pinning nerf
vestal pine
i heard about it
vast basin
What was it after pinning nerf but still with fotf rending?
vestal pine
still dunno why they ruined autopistol
spare dome
6
mint brook
still feels odd to me tho, boltgun iand chain swords are basically the trademark 40k weapons, feels like it could still use some buffs somewhere
slow stag
What's the build for knife zealot knife loner piety ?
spare dome
Well, 7 really if you got lucky and there's fodder near the crushers for pinning
vestal pine
they both are in competitve space
not the best at anything but good generalists
well bolter is more off from a generalist
vast basin
What's the build for knife zealot knife loner piety ?
Well you just told us the build. What details do you want?
fleet zealot
still feels odd to me tho, boltgun iand chain swords are basically the trademark...
that's the kicker of game balance vs lore
vast basin
I am of the opinion that the boltgun should always be "meta" in a 40k game
Is this a hot take?
vestal pine
so how does other games adapt boltgun anyway
spare dome
what the hell is 40k
vestal pine
isnt it like in space marine its essentially a smg/assault rifle
or something
i still want that votann bolt shotgun though
also heard about operatives talking about xenos weapons again, something
hrud fussil rifle
idk what that is
misty nova
What's the build for knife zealot knife loner piety ?
Whatever you do, pick Duelist and Thy Wrath Be Swift
fleet zealot
knife of all weapons doesn't need twbs but you want the good balance
misty nova
Twbs gameplay
dark zealot
i finally got one of those rare drops
oak delta
Swift Certainty is also hype. Sprint speed increased by 10% and sprinting counts as dodging. So you can heavy attack sprint away from gunners
radiant nacelle
Only if you're perpendicular to gunner fire
misty nova
He's going Piety so Swift might be a little taxing
radiant nacelle
If you're running directly away from or towards it doesn't count as dodging
Go play the meat grinder tutorial again
misty nova
Specially if you're also going twbs, unless he starts right side then pick Duelist and end at piety
radiant nacelle
@misty nova
fleet zealot
Swift Certainty is also hype. Sprint speed increased by 10% and sprinting counts...
all it does is extend a mechanic that all classes have
vestal pine
hrud fussil rifle
Fusils remain one of the few scant artifacts of the Hrud that occasionally come up for sale in the Imperium and were also in high demand. Those weapons that find themselves on the black market are modified to accept Imperial plasma cells though if the mechanism itself is badly damaged then it cannot be repaired by human hands.
ah
melta-plasma
aint that something
misty nova
<@492137137722884107>
Oh shit that's me
radiant nacelle
A very easily misunderstood mechanic that is mostly useless I. Most practice
fleet zealot
as long as you are at an angle from gunfire while having stamina and sprinting, you will avoid ranged fire, swift certainity just makes it so it continues after you hit 0 stam
radiant nacelle
Oh shit that's me
Oh I'm bad
misty nova
oak delta
all it does is extend a mechanic that all classes have
It applies a 10% sprint speed, which is also multiplied by your classes movement speed, and the acceleration from knife heavy attacking.
radiant nacelle
If you're running directly away from or towards it doesn't count as dodging
@oak delta
fleet zealot
yes tbh
in auric, knife is already one of the fastest weapons and most of the times enemies will be coming to you
vestal pine
tbh
fleet zealot
extra ms is nice but it isn't a "Must" at least on knife imo
vestal pine
having more movement speed
is funny
on a knife
especially with mobility 80
dodge like you're on a icerink
radiant nacelle
Usually you run directly away from gunners, not on an angle. And if you do run on an angle it's easy to reach safety.
This means swift certainty ultimately does little to nothing for sprint dodging gunfire.
oak delta
Faster movement = quicker specialist/disabler/ranged elite kills as well. You can usually remove a problem before the team has to deal with it
radiant nacelle
And I find I'm rarely without stamina anyway on zealot
So it's just for the sprint speed and that's all
fleet zealot
Faster movement = quicker specialist/disabler/ranged elite kills as well. You ca...
you can do this by just swapping to your ranged weapon
vestal pine
And I find I'm rarely without stamina anyway on zealot
im usually without stamina tbh
south folio
Faster movement = quicker specialist/disabler/ranged elite kills as well. You ca...
knife is p good on movement at least
vestal pine
but you can spare few stamina after getting hit by a gun anyway
i think the benefit of that node is just the 10% speed you get
south folio
like, you're past the bp where you outrun every enemy and can reach trappers before they shoot
radiant nacelle
Yeah
vestal pine
you can do this by just swapping to your ranged weapon
me with flamer
radiant nacelle
The stamina thing is no existent in actual play
oak delta
like, you're past the bp where you outrun every enemy and can reach trappers bef...
Bingo.
south folio
any movement speed past that is nice but not a necessity
and knife is pretty fast baseline
vestal pine
ok
but its funny
twbs stelf zealot running at mach speeds
and then triggering all the fucking triggers on the map and dies
kek
peak stelf
fleet zealot
oak delta
You know what’s funnier.
Unremitting (sprint cost reduction) + all movement speed nodes + Twbs + swift certainty.
vestal pine
idk how much movement speed nodes exist
oak delta
And shroudfield
vestal pine
i might run that for funsies
oak delta
idk how much movement speed nodes exist
Two 5%
vestal pine
yay i hate you
fleet zealot
3 points to spare
vestal pine
what was the uh
longest hit&run duration?
1.2 on a IAG?
god i am playing vet and i just wanna play zealot again
addicting shit
fleet zealot
time to start a new archeon campaign and beat the shit out of tumeramaggot
oak delta
My funny movement speed build.
fleet zealot
My funny movement speed build.
skipping good balance, skipping duelist
true knife player
oak delta
I don't need Good Balance.
And I can make up lost Duelist damage with my knife blessings
slow stag
i was thinkin side points
vast basin
You don't need dance of death and unremitting imo, I would pick up duellist and until death
oak delta
Nah mate. Unremitting is important 
It's not going anywhere
vast basin
Also take second wind, it is by far the best tough talent
oak delta
Nah mate
vast basin
Unremitting is really not important but w.e you do you
oak delta
Unremitting makes up for no Stam curios.
vast basin
You don't need Stam curios in the first place
oak delta
Several people would debate that I'm sure
vestal pine
id drop the last stelf node and get duelist
oak delta
I dive into precarious situations so the toughness damage reduction and regen helps me.
fleet zealot
I don't need Good Balance.
good balance and second wind is the best 2 point combo in the game xd
south folio
knife movement tech at zero stamina is only ~5% slower than with stamina
vast basin
Well second wind is a lot better toughness than the stealth node
fleet zealot
unremitting sucks xd
south folio
daily reminder that zealot keeps 75% of the sprint bonus at zero stamina compared to vet and psyker
vestal pine
daily reminder that zealot keeps 75% of the sprint *bonus* at zero stamina compa...
oh its different?
south folio
and also knife movement tech involves a slide so you're constantly refreshing your top movement speed at zero stam anyways
vestal pine
hm
oak delta
good balance and second wind is the best 2 point combo in the game xd
Don't need it, I'd rather have the toughness damage reduction on crits than replenish toughness on dodge.
south folio
hence why it's only ~5% slower
fleet zealot
Don't need it, I'd rather have the toughness damage reduction on crits than repl...
you get both
south folio
Don't need it, I'd rather have the toughness damage reduction on crits than repl...
the value proposition is that second wind is going to net you more average toughness
fleet zealot
good balance is DR
crit DR is only TDR
good balance applies to HP as well
yea sprint cost reduction is fukcing useless you slide to maintain speed without losing stamina
vast basin
Literally everyone telling this guy unremitting is bad
south folio
nah operate on vibes-based movement
if you believe that stamina makes you that much faster, then it's true
oak delta
Literally everyone telling this guy unremitting is bad <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
People are allowed to have an opinion
Doesn't mean they'll change mine
fleet zealot
yes and my opinion is that your opinion is dumb and wrong
twilit cloak
it's not about having more stamina to sprint. it's about having stamina to do a push attack as you slide into melee range so you don't get clobbered. at least, that's how I see it. I'd never be caught dead using unremitting lmao
south folio
yeah and he's already said that he's taking unremitting over stam curios so i doubt that's a relevant point here
i suspect that push-attacks are not in his mind
twilit cloak
honestly the entire cluster above Beacon of Purity feels pretty bad
twilit cloak
which is sad because Beacon is great to have in auric
I have 0 stamina on curios or talents other than random stuff I pick up, and I push attack frequently. no idea what you're talking about lmao
south folio
anyways, grab movementanalyzer and figure out the actual improvement of things from having stamina
fleet zealot
If I did push attacks, I'd be running three +3 Stam curios
what
you only need like one +3
south folio
I have 0 stamina on curios or talents other than random stuff I pick up, and I p...
alright, and now you're defeating your own point of needing stamina...?
fleet zealot
knife PAs are the bset part of the weapon
twilit cloak
alright, and now you're defeating your own point of needing stamina...?
it's about being above 0% stamina when you engage the enemy
fleet zealot
not using them is like only using half your weapon
south folio
why not just slide into the engagement
the stamina regen timer doesn't pause during slides
south folio
it'll just be a minor ~0.2 or 0.1 second advantage
fleet zealot
exterminatus is playing d advocate for the person
south folio
yeah i know what you're saying
twilit cloak
I'm just saying, if I were to get sprint reduction, that's what I would be thinking of
fleet zealot
and not really defending ponti
south folio
about having nonzero stamina for push-attacks
oak delta
I don't need an advocate, but cheers I guess.
twilit cloak
... I had a question I was going to ask but got sidetracked by the argument and completely forgot what it was
south folio
but that is such a minor advantage to spend two points which could go into two pretty impactful nodes given that it's not a purely meme build
oak delta
I've pulled clutches on this build, I know it works and does the job, so I won't be changing anything about it.
It's a shroudfield speed meme build that gives me way more engagement options than a sweaty knife build
twilit cloak
sweaty knife user here. how dare you?
fleet zealot
I've pulled clutches on this build, I know it works and does the job, so I won't...
that's because A) knife is a good weapon and B) you have mechanical skill
south folio
yeah, cuz i happen to know how much stamina benefits knife movetech
fleet zealot
that doesnt' make you in any form correct
south folio
i don't mind meme builds but at least have the correct reason for running them
fleet zealot
nor does it speak for the effectiveness of the node, if anything, you'd be doing better if you stopped using it
oak delta
In your opinion. That's not mine however
south folio
grab movement analyzer from the modding discord and call it a day
oak delta
I play unmodded
south folio
peak vibes based hours
north sedge
Idk works for me
spiral anvil
here again to spread movetech where you repeatedly tap 1 while holding onto heavy while sprinting
south folio
fyi with duellist, a crit weakspot knife hit jumps from 1085 damage to 1890
spiral anvil
you never release the heavy
coarse birch
fyi with duellist, a crit weakspot knife hit jumps from 1085 damage to 1890
fair balanced and reasonable
south folio
indeedio
misty nova
Hmmm yes, pointy metal goes brrrrrr
fleet zealot
fleet zealot
peak vibes based hours
reminds me of the fatshark killed my fun person who was complaining about survivalist nerf
visual stream
why him orang
fleet zealot
and they are just like "I want to shoot 24/7 on glugger"
spiral anvil
i've actually seen one ogryn play with 0/58 ammo almost through out the entire map
farming that scoreboard
south folio
so sad that people have to make some mild playstyle adjustments in response to the nerf
or just loot more
fleet zealot
fatshark needs to support my fun of only playing crit thunderhammer
and if they don't, they hate fun and suck at balancing
south folio
people should just be honest and say they don't like nerfs and not come up with overcomplicated ass reasons after the fact to justify their dislike of it
twilit cloak
which would you folks prefer for a Mk.3 knife, Lacerate or Flesh Tearer?
visual stream
both
fleet zealot
which would you folks prefer for a Mk.3 knife, Lacerate or Flesh Tearer?
flesh tearer if you are forcing bleed
since i can't legally stop you
just get uncanny+flesh tearer if you want to bleed it up
median steeple
I thought this was a big bee
twilit cloak
what would you recommend if you COULD legally stop me, then?
oak delta
which would you folks prefer for a Mk.3 knife, Lacerate or Flesh Tearer?
I run Lacerate and Mercy Killer. No one likes it.
vast basin
what would you recommend if you COULD legally stop me, then?
Uncanny + riposte or precog
visual stream
final boss of intentional contrarian
fleet zealot
what would you recommend if you COULD legally stop me, then?
go uncanny + riposte or precog, mk6 can run executor but mk3 doesn't well
twilit cloak
I run Lacerate and Mercy Killer. No one likes it.
I mean... yeah... one requires weakspots and the other requires not-weakspots. it's a bit of a weird combo lmao
fleet zealot
I run Lacerate and Mercy Killer. No one likes it.
ahh yes, the body shot blessing on a weapon that scales amazing off weakspots
like if it was flesh tearer mercy okay that's one thing, mercy is just worse precog on zealot and mostly on vet cause they get serrated blade talent
oak delta
Mk.3 knife has the Special punch, into an overhead light. Punch the body for stagger/stun & Bleed, then overhead light for a big weakspot hit
fleet zealot
but lacerate is so lmao
it does not compensate for the damage loss for not hitting head
oak delta
Skill issue if you can't hit the head
ember yew
I run Lacerate and Mercy Killer. No one likes it.
Riposte + Mercy Killer is better, since you are going with 95% Critchance, i've been toying with various stuff with mercy killer
fleet zealot
i hit the head every time
just go riposte precog at that point like
mercy is 60% weakspot, precog is 60% crit and weakspot
twilit cloak
counter point - I'm bad at aiming for heads when I'm up to my tits in maulers and ragers
but yes, precog just seems straight up better
south folio
so mercy killer is what you're using to make up the loss of duellist
out of curiosity, do you know that crit and weakspot damage stack additively on crit weakspots
or are you operating on vibes again here
oak delta
I know, this is a build tailored to my playstyle. If that's what you mean on vibes
south folio
i mean vibes in the sense of not having done any testing or not knowing what the numbers are
twilit cloak
tbh I tried replacing Lacerate with Flesh Tearer before, and it just felt worse in every way cuz it was much harder for me to maintain Scourge stacks
oak delta
No vibes here in that sense
I just vibe on how I play best and get the best done out of my gameplay
visual stream
hard nexus
an impressive twisting of semantics
mmm yes quite indubitably
ember yew
tbh I tried replacing Lacerate with Flesh Tearer before, and it just felt worse ...
Lacerate isn't worth it anyway as it again conflicts with Mercy Killer the same way as Uncanny
But Riposte making crit going 95% guarantees you a bleed on first hit so you can go on with that mercy killer bonus
fleet zealot
tbh I tried replacing Lacerate with Flesh Tearer before, and it just felt worse ...
just use fotf, and it's not bad at all once you have blazing piety on, the way i think of it, if you kill everything before scourge stacks, you didn't need scourge so it's fine
hard nexus
with knife attack speed you're gonna be critting plenty, even at 75%
twilit cloak
just use fotf, and it's not bad at all once you have blazing piety on, the way i...
I... don't run blazing piety with my knife
inexorable judgement just feels smoother to me
also, fotf?
fleet zealot
fury of the faithful
then you don't run lacerate or fleshtearer
you run riposte uncanny
visual stream
Back in my day it was chastise 
fleet zealot
cause knife is one of the few weapons that scales well off crits
hard nexus
Back in my day it was chastise <:6849_pepeold:795435958018506792>
so many of us still call it chastise lol
twilit cloak
I'm a shroudfield enjoyer
fleet zealot
like running IJ is fine but piety is just smoother for knife
twilit cloak
I get a lot more utility out of that than fotf
especially on the new map where people don't know how to push batteries into the slot
south folio
knife has stupid crit armour damage modifiers and good crit/weakspot multis that stack well with +finesse boosts so I like piety more even if the damage + attack speed from judgement seems better out of the box
twilit cloak
the tougness of IJ is nice too
especially since they nerfed the CD reduction on crits, I can't rely on fotf for that anymore
south folio
second wind is enuff for me
fleet zealot
toughness of IJ?
you mean the subnode?
that sucks ass
it's just coherency regen
twilit cloak
? no it's not
fleet zealot
yes it is, everyone skips it
twilit cloak
it's 30% toughness when you proc with 15 stacks, which is all the time
south folio
since that's theoretically 30% over 6 seconds whereas second wind is 15% with an ICD of 0.5 seconds
fleet zealot
since that's theoretically 30% over 6 seconds whereas second wind is 15% with an...
^
twilit cloak
I run both because I'm bad and get bonked often
like I'm not saying piety + fotf is bad. I'm sure it's way better for damage output
south folio
i'm greedy for damage and i'm pretty starved for points on crit builds
twilit cloak
I feel ya
fleet zealot
and the nerf to crit cdr barely hurts knife, esp mk3
hushed knoll
i'm greedy for damage and i'm pretty starved for points on crit builds
Eat something
twilit cloak
speaking of. Perfect Strike on eviscerator. it's silly. try it if you haven't.
south folio
kill stan
hushed knoll
What the fuck
twilit cloak
Inexorable Judgement, the bottom-right keystone
fleet zealot
the crit cdr nerf most hurts cleaving crits like evi
slow stag
whats the build u guys run for the knife zealot now ? i feel soooo starved for points
twilit cloak
I could give you mine but I feel I'll catch a lot of flak 😄
slow stag
i want twbs and swift cert with duelist and second wind and stuff but theres just not enough points
twilit cloak
twbs?
hard nexus
i want twbs and swift cert with duelist and second wind and stuff but theres jus...
there are plenty
slow stag
help me friend meow
twilit cloak
^ I don't feel like you need it for knife at all
twilit cloak
tbh I should probably get Good Balance over Holy Revenant
I think I'm only holding onto HR because I still remember when I could get full health from abusing the old brutal momentum with a combat axe lmao
hard nexus
help me friend meow
slow stag
oh interesting i thought all knife zealots took stealth as well
hard nexus
norp
slow stag
man im behind on the times
hard nexus
i dont like stealth
visual stream
it's not even an aura. it's basically useless
equipped loner is -10000 aura
hearty juniper
im tryin for "its only a fleshwound" still
twilit cloak
stealth is an acquired taste
vast basin
im tryin for "its only a fleshwound" still
Try the vox channels
hearty juniper
stealth is an acquired taste
it really is
twilit cloak
honestly i don't even backstab with it half the time, it's just for rescues/objectives
hard nexus
oh interesting i thought all knife zealots took stealth as well
i havent played knife zealot in a while, but you can swap the ability really to whatever
any of them would work fine
hearty juniper
Try the vox channels
noted thx
twilit cloak
I feel like any zealot weapon can work with any zealot ability
which you can't say about the other classes
twilit cloak
im tryin for "its only a fleshwound" still
remind me what this one was
hard nexus
which you can't say about the other classes
which is why i think zealot has the best built skill tree
vast basin
I mostly agree, although I don't think a relic hammer would be good at all...
slow stag
thanks guysd
hard nexus
remind me what this one was
under 1 wound, under 20 minutes
hearty juniper
remind me what this one was
complete heresy level mission under 20 mins with less than a wounds worth of health remaining for 75% of the time
has to be in private
twilit cloak
I mostly agree, although I don't think a relic hammer would be good at all...
same, tho that's mostly because I think hammer is bad in general lmao
twilit cloak
you're welcome to your wrong opinion
slow stag
what should i swap here? is it workable?
twilit cloak
complete heresy level mission under 20 mins with less than a wounds worth of hea...
I can help with that
vast basin
It's not hard to top damage with hammer if a boss spawns, doesn't really indicate it's effectiveness
hearty juniper
I can help with that
if we can do an assassination itll go faster unless you know of a better mission to do it on
twilit cloak
what should i swap here? is it workable?
I'd say get uncanny instead of mercy killer and it's workable
hard nexus
It's not hard to top damage with hammer if a boss spawns, doesn't really indicat...
im not talking about boss damage
i mean normal damage
slow stag
is the new knife better?
twilit cloak
if we can do an assassination itll go faster unless you know of a better mission...
assassination is the way to go, yeah
vast basin
Yeah, I know
twilit cloak
you wanna hop in a vox channel? @hearty juniper
fleet zealot
i though all knife zealots took loner
loner sucks and duelist is good
hard nexus
what should i swap here? is it workable?
depends on the build, but mercy killer to either uncanny, riposte, or precog
hearty juniper
you wanna hop in a vox channel? <@241303294272602112>
bet, pick one
twilit cloak
bet, pick one
Strike Team 6 then
hard nexus
Yeah, I know
then whats your point? boss damage isnt counted in the damage count
vast basin
im not talking about boss damage
Boss damage is included in normal damage in powerdi
It literally is
vast basin
So you are using an inferior scoreboard then
visual stream
mfs be arguing over anything
south folio
boss damage does get counted in the total damage for the original scoreboard
vast basin
It's relevant because it's not hard to top damage
hard nexus
boss damage does get counted in the total damage for the original scoreboard
oh
neat
now i know
spiral anvil
inferior scoreboard
hard nexus
point still stands, i do well with the hammer
i acknoweldge that the hammer isnt the best
but its not really bad either
slow stag
is the mk3 > the mk6? combat knife?
hard nexus
is the mk3 > the mk6? combat knife?
cole put it best, mk6 is better if its gonna be your main weapon because its a bit more versatile, but the mk3 is more as a designated single target weapon
north sedge
Hammer good
hushed knoll
Hammer good
slow stag
thanks
oh is the mk15 heavy evisc good as well? i heard it works well wiht a crit build might have to snag one
hard nexus
it used to work well with a crit build
spiral anvil
it was patched but i havent played it yet
vast basin
It's usable, a simpler version of the evis
spiral anvil
does it flow better now
hard nexus
but the nerf to the cdr made it much less effective
spare dome
it flows MUCH better now
spare dome
less deadtime between attack chains
slow stag
whats perks u wnat on the knife? flak/maniac ?
south folio
they made the chain timings faster (e.g., heavy 2 comes out faster)
royal vortex
they made it piss harder
slow stag
then flesh terr/uncanny?
spare dome
there's still deadtime after the heavy attack but
hard nexus
they made it piss harder
fuck yeah
spare dome
it is much better feeling
hard nexus
they made the chain timings faster (e.g., heavy 2 comes out faster)
oh pawesome
south folio
i think it's fine with crit builds though many things are because of duellist shenanigans
spare dome
duelist is its own shenanigan
coarse birch
they made it piss harder
wish obscurus pissed harder
south folio
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
coarse birch
its very rare i dont take duellist
slow stag
dam this low finess
oak delta
is the mk3 > the mk6? combat knife?
Mk.3 does more work on CIVI missions versus armoured/flak faction.
Other folks have said everything else about the weapons that needs to be said
slow stag
yeah very helpful
south folio
i like weapons with the same crit/weakspot multis cuz it makes it easy to spot the crit adms
coarse birch
i like weapons with the same crit/weakspot multis cuz it makes it easy to spot t...
yet another obscurus L
royal vortex
obscurus is a heatstroke of a weapon
hard nexus
billions must die
coarse birch
Josho get off DT ik your going to use obscurus
royal vortex
away
hushed knoll
Hi YOSHI
coarse birch
hi stan
royal vortex
Josho get off DT ik your going to use obscurus
falsehoods and lies from a notoriously untrustworthy source
hushed knoll
Josho you are a flat earther
coarse birch
https://tenor.com/view/pickle-octo-squidward-bump-gif-15057642
does this have to do with you wanting to turn me into a pickle and fly me around like a plane or is this not related
hushed knoll
WTF
coarse birch
stan cant possibly flat assed with an aunt like that and a fat sister
hushed knoll
WHAT THE FUCK
royal vortex
people don't seem to have much of a reaction when he earthquakes
i give him a cake score of 0
hushed knoll
I have an ass that won’t quit
You had an asp and got bit
On the tit
SOMEONE WRAP THIS B*TCH BACK UP IN A CARPET
hard nexus
some goober just got banned in psyker chat lmfao
coarse birch
I have an ass that won’t quit
You had an asp and got bit
On the tit
SOMEONE WRAP...
wha
hard nexus
joined on a day old account, tried to spread the true shirtless mod and some other one
hushed knoll
I’m rapping
frozen glen
malibu's most wanted ova here
royal vortex
this is the 2nd time you've tried to use a line from marilyn monroe vs cleopatra epic rap batles of history against me
hushed knoll
You had to look that up
hard nexus
coarse birch
do you really think josho had to look that up
hushed knoll
You’re basically Cleopatra
hard nexus
this is an insane sentence
hard nexus
do you really think josho had to look that up
no he def had it memorized
frozen glen
stan you are not a real person
hushed knoll
this is an insane sentence
coarse birch
id bet money josho is an epic rap battles of history expert
crisp furnace
@fleet zealot
royal vortex
the first time i called him out on it after he very transparently tried to pass the line off as his own
crisp furnace
Never spoken to this dude once
hard nexus
<@301217938306760704>
whta the fuck
visual stream
Never spoken to this dude once
Clearly you have angered a presence somewhere (???)
crisp furnace
Ikr
hard nexus
oh wait chain xe is banditell??
fleet zealot
<@301217938306760704>
he's either foreign, rage baiting, or just being stupid
fleet zealot
yea i'm bandit lol
crisp furnace
I just got a random ass dm, didn’t show up when I checked all play history once
fleet zealot
he reminds me of the one french dude who constantly tried getting into fights here
delicate shadow
he's in psyker chat
coarse birch
hi stan
royal vortex
he's in psyker chat
fate worse than death
hard nexus
lmfao
drifting wolf
yep
coarse birch
correct josho
delicate shadow
fate worse than death
🙂
hushed knoll
What does 1pm have to do with it
royal vortex
where did the last 4 hours go
drifting wolf
in your mind
coarse birch
were you asleep
hushed knoll
Also hi aqua Asia (55
royal vortex
no
lusty turtle
hushed knoll
HI SKELLY
lusty turtle
stan wtf is this
delicate shadow
why have you done this to me
frozen glen
epic rap line from epic rap battles
royal vortex
he's trying to shame me for eating babies
royal vortex
why have you done this to me
stan hates asians. he has deemed you an enemy
coarse birch
the real shame is you use a fork
frozen glen
is that not something you should be shamed for
royal vortex
no
hushed knoll
he's trying to shame me for eating babies
The woman in your pfp looks like she needs vitamin C
royal vortex
the babies had it coming
royal vortex
The woman in your pfp looks like she needs vitamin C
she's a fuckin ghost stan we're way beyond that
hushed knoll
How do ghosts stay alive then
royal vortex
how the FUCK are you shaquille dude
hushed knoll
No it wasn’t tbh lol
coarse birch
ask stan
south folio
The woman in your pfp looks like she needs vitamin C
if you mean because they're pale, i'm pretty sure you mean vitamin D
royal vortex
do not the ghost
hushed knoll
if you mean because they're pale, i'm pretty sure you mean vitamin D
I’m vitamin D deficient
DOUGTHONY HIIII
median steeple
Holy white batman
lusty turtle
or is he at a car dealership again
south folio
no he probably just had carbohydrates
coarse birch
im here for the rhino honestly thats commitment
north sedge
maybe he licked some butterfinger out of computer crack
south folio
oh no
coarse birch
it cannot be posted here stan i trust in your memory
hushed knoll
What the fuck are you talking about
south folio
i'm going to carpet bomb stan's DMs
royal vortex
he's sex facing. he fucking knows
hushed knoll
maybe he licked some butterfinger out of computer crack
I did that tbh
royal vortex
he's baiting you
frozen glen
dont bring up the rhino again
royal vortex
do not fall for it
hushed knoll
It’s not a sex face you ass
south folio
don't worry i'm keeping it in the dms
royal vortex
don't worry i'm keeping it in the dms
stan has exited via the wrong door
and now
the goose strikes
south folio
why are you attacking ME
hushed knoll
WHAT THE FUCK
royal vortex
i am narrating the first zealot chat zoo documentary
royal vortex
WHAT THE FUCK
stan has transcended time to victimize himself with his own weird fuckin quotes
coarse birch
skele do you want to DT
tbf stan probably forgot 10 mins after
despite almost being banned
median steeple
Early onset dementia
south folio
dementia is no joke
hushed knoll
Why would I have been banned for that
south folio
so sad that it's hitting stan in his early 20s
hushed knoll
It’s not NSFW
coarse birch
i think that would count as NSFW
south folio
stan, would you say that to the creatures that you teach
coarse birch
word
hushed knoll
Sometimes while I’m in the shower I cover my ears and slowly move my head into the spray and it sounds like an approaching tornado
coarse birch
does it?
royal vortex
🫠
south folio
reading a stan statement is like rolling dice
hard nexus
Early onset dementia
psycho jumpscare
south folio
i was genuinely scared that he would say something out of hand
coarse birch
ive actually done this before but i wouldnt describe that to be the sound although im not really doing it on purpose
i saw shower and thought it was over
median steeple
psycho jumpscare
Early onset dementia
coarse birch
Owo
coarse birch
yes you are tf
south folio
what dignity?
coarse birch
your dignity is long gone
hushed knoll
You have dignity?
coarse birch
lmao
hard nexus
Early onset dementia
u said that already granpa.....
royal vortex
none of you are funny
hushed knoll
Wow he cooked
royal vortex
not a single one
median steeple
Cooking
coarse birch
you would make the exact same joke
frozen glen
joje
coarse birch
bitch
hushed knoll
Joje
south folio
i'm just pointing out LIES and FALSITIES
royal vortex
im going to throw my keyboard at you
north sedge
im funny
frozen glen
josho has lots of projectiles at his disposal
delicate shadow
stan hates asians. he has deemed you an enemy
I am descended from Asia Minor I suppose
frozen glen
by that i mean drained mouse batteries
royal vortex
is anyone really funny in comparsion to ms "Maybe Hitler"
south folio
the classic "appeal to darcy" argument
coarse birch
his monitor is also barely plugged in it could be a projectile very easily
lusty turtle
But ye goin back a sec. all joking aside, even tho i know its lyrics and u guys know eachother, id prefer we avoid making jokes about miscarriage.
hushed knoll
But ye goin back a sec. all joking aside, even tho i know its lyrics and u guys ...
Sorry I apologize
coarse birch
i was wondering about that
hushed knoll
Can you please forgive me
coarse birch
only mildly distasteful
hushed knoll
It won’t happen again
coarse birch
stan getting forgiven for the 57th time
hushed knoll
I deleted it
south folio
the lesson here is to always cover up your crimes
coarse birch
goes without saying really
hushed knoll
stan getting forgiven for the 57th time
What
coarse birch
you have toed the getting banned line many times
hushed knoll
For what 
hard nexus
the getting
hushed knoll
Good?
hushed knoll
Food
lusty turtle
Sorry I apologize
I know u guys are comfortable in here but please just remember its a public space and don't say unhinged things that might offend people, its all i ask
hushed knoll
I know u guys are comfortable in here but please just remember its a public spac...
Of course, my apologies. I should have thought first
hushed knoll
the rest i cant post
coarse birch
i will not be baited
north sedge
I’m not an angler
lusty turtle
Of course, my apologies. I should have thought first
np just consider this an official warning, i let you get away with saying a lot of stuff that shouldn't really be allowed
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-old-gregg-old-gregg-motherlicker-gif-347181...
Is this key and peele
north sedge
not even close
hushed knoll
oak delta
A British series
hushed knoll
It looks like it’s from a Key and Peele skit
oak delta
This is from before Key and Peele
solar gorge
who is key and who is peele
fleet zealot
oak delta
Key and Peele was 2011.
Mighty Boosh was 2009
hushed knoll
2009 and 2011 are basically the same year tbh
royal vortex
2009 and 2011 are basically the same year tbh
time is just a number so like theyre all the same if u think about it from the bird's eye point of view
royal vortex
Pillsbury canned crescent rolls
hushed knoll
I see what you’re doing
north sedge
bay leaf
coarse birch
steelers played in super bowls both years and uh yeah i think thats the only thing i can relate in those 2 years
royal vortex
nerd
coarse birch
josho being predictable L
hushed knoll
I forgot Yoshi was alive in 2011
coarse birch
I forgot Yoshi was alive in 2011
WHAT
royal vortex
I forgot Yoshi was alive in 2011
lmfao
hushed knoll
Jk
ripe quest
Stan thought I was a 2014 baby so ig it lines up
south folio
what
lusty turtle
guess i'm banning exhil for being under discord minimum age 😔
coarse birch
i forgot there was a discord minimum age
spare dome
finally, im tired of being showed up by this 7 y/o asian
median steeple
It's like 13 right? that shit is too low
hushed knoll
guess i'm banning exhil for being under discord minimum age 😔
Did you know his name is pronounced “ex-eyeless?”
royal vortex
it's at least 2