Also people will just... not notice a crusher is about to send their skull out of their ass at mach jesus and rage when they die from it.
#zealot-class
grizzled aspen
vestal pine
Also people will just... not notice a crusher is about to send their skull out o...
sometimes the game wont actually do the noise
ember yew
How do you not notice a crusher?
sneaky
vestal pine
for revs yea
grizzled aspen
Yeah so how do you not notice?
ember yew
if there's too much saliva on the monitor
maybe he can't
like it obstructs the vision
right
grizzled aspen
This is confirming my hypothesis that 80% of darktide players are secretly ipad babies raised on cocomelon.
vast rapids
Tbf the game gets very overestimating
grizzled aspen
It's not very overstimulating if everyone is pulling their weight.
vast rapids
Shouting at another person when they're trying to focus is always a no go however
grizzled aspen
And if you're overstimulated, then go to a lower difficulty.
That's why the difficulty levels exist.
vast rapids
That is a non existent argument
grizzled aspen
No? It's a perfectly valid argument.
If you can't keep up in higher difficulties, then play a lower one.
Don't like it? Find a different game to play, then.
That's why the difficulty levels exist.
If you can't handle being downed in 5 hits by poxwalkers in damnation, then dial it back to heresy or malice and get better.
spiral anvil
That requires the players to know that they are missing part of the puzzle though
vast rapids
I can tell you're fun to play with, Jesus.
spiral anvil
If they get downed by 5 poxwalkers their reasoning is "team didn't protect me"
grizzled aspen
I am fun to play with, if you're worth your weight.
vast rapids
HAHAHAHAHA
spiral anvil
What a line
grizzled aspen
If you can't pull your weight, dial it back to a difficulty where you can.
It's not that complicated.
spiral anvil
Time to join telopots discord
ember yew
Time to join telopots discord
There's one?
spiral anvil
I'm sure they would want to play with fellow genius
ember yew
spiral anvil
I assume there is, exclusive club
vast rapids
Born savant
grizzled aspen
I take my L's just as often as I take my W's.
vast rapids
"I'm better I AM BETTER!!!"
grizzled aspen
And I admit when I made a mistake in a match that costed me or my team.
grizzled aspen
Nah.
ember yew
You have to start compiling your winrate %
vast rapids
Nobody has said the things you are currently saying, you are in an argument with yourself
spiral anvil
Can't just say you win more than you lose that means nothing
Last I heard they are at 85%
grizzled aspen
I didn't?
grizzled aspen
I said I win and lose just about equally.
spiral anvil
That's horrible winrate
vast rapids
You should probably play on a lower difficulty then
spiral anvil
Damn
vast rapids
😔
spiral anvil
soft ocean
yo, just wondering, are the evis XV timing changes big? like, would big E be proud of me for using it?
ember yew
Nobody has said the things you are currently saying, you are in an argument with...
New penances are now "forcing" players to go for shiny achievements(penances) aka titles and such, so the experience is a bit hectic, since previous auric and ms was only there for enjoyers of high difficulty, the rewards been not that high compared to normal ones.
But now it's degraded a bit, i had 2 runs on new map yesterday in auric where 3 people died right at the start and in #3 run an idiot tried to kill every teammate possible with barrels (i didnt blacklist for awhile, but that one deserved it). After these experience i went to play another game aka CrimeBoss 
dense field
what the fuck
grizzled aspen
New penances are now "forcing" players to go for shiny achievements(penances) ak...
This proves my point that not all players should play on the highest difficulty they can queue for.
Just because you can queue for it doesn't mean you should.
vast rapids
I had a really good maelstrom game until the vet B-lined past a demonhost
I was not happy lol
zinc talon
grizzled aspen
Nice.
grizzled aspen
Now go let hadron brick it.
ember yew
https://tenor.com/view/archer-suppressing-fire-gif-11401460
this need a barrel
vast rapids
I don't use gear unless it's above 370 base, so I probably shouldn't judge
grizzled aspen
It's fine,.
ember yew
I had a really good maelstrom game until the vet B-lined past a demonhost
The fact that some people go and aggro daemonhosts AFTER it's pinged also questionable idea
grizzled aspen
Stability is a dump stat for laspistols.
ember yew
did they think someone wants to fight it
zinc talon
This proves my point that not all players should play on the highest difficulty ...
there is merit to the fact that every tier of difficulty you get to, the better and more highly skilled the general playerbase in quickplay or matchmaking becomes
you won't get grabassery in a 5 like you will in a 3 in a law of large numbers sense
I almost feel like auric quickplays are the easiest, not because of the difficulty but because the team is so much more coherent and deadly
grizzled aspen
Well, people still see higher difficulties as meal tickets for free materials because higher difficulties mean more material drops.
So even if they don't perform well, they'll get carried by better players for more materials.
Which they will probably squander.
zinc talon
true, but in a longer timeframe those people weed themselves out not being able to keep up
they're certainly there but not for long, so you see less of them the singular person not them the grabasses
vast rapids
Folks typically don't enjoy sitting at their screen for 40minutes waiting for their team to get over to the revive point
ember yew
zinc talon
my point but better worded
grizzled aspen
You would think that, but they still do it anyway.
zinc talon
when I get someone who's just total baboonery in a mission
I ask them what they've learned as I pull up to the rescue spot
grizzled aspen
Nothing would stop me from queueing up for auric damnation quickplay and just sitting on my phone.
zinc talon
then I teabag them and keep going so they teleport forward again
it gives them more time to think, in shame
vast rapids
I don't think there's any need for that
grizzled aspen
Oh, there is definitely need for that.
zinc talon
I don't mean players that got caught up or are still learning
vast rapids
Sometimes when a teammate keeps going down ill stare at them before reviving but I always feel terrible when I do it
zinc talon
I mean loner knife zealots dying four rooms ahead
grizzled aspen
Lots of people have chips on their shoulders and refuse to acknowledge it.
zinc talon
or people that obviously get up and step away then come back
grizzled aspen
Doing that forces them to either acknowledge they messed up, not be rescued for the whole mission, or leave.
zinc talon
baboonery
vast rapids
My favourite player was a dude named ARKHAM who needed help opening doors during the orthos offensive
ember yew
Sometimes when a teammate keeps going down ill stare at them before reviving but...
Yet you bully the guy above for being an "elitist"
man i want my crafting rework tomorrow
250+ weps waiting
vast rapids
I never used the word elitist
ember yew
at 370+
grizzled aspen
He's not even "bullying" anyone successfully.
vast rapids
And I don't like that I do it either
dense field
There's no need to rescue a person who's actively sabotaging the game.
zinc talon
vast rapids
Good gun
ember yew
nicy
grizzled aspen
Ooo potential rager obliterator 9000.
dense field
Gun good
grizzled aspen
Inb4 hadron bricking it.
dense field
Snake eyes
vast rapids
frosty herald
So brunts just has cracked weapon stats rn
zinc talon
grizzled aspen
Yeesh...
dense field
Welp
zinc talon
I get almost all my gear from the docket vendor
grizzled aspen
Stick with it, it ain't bricked till the techpriest sings.
zinc talon
vast rapids
Hadron...
grizzled aspen
STILL AIN'T BRICKED YET CMON HADRON GIVE THIS MAN SOMETHING.
dense field
Roll it
frosty herald
Looked at hadron funny now its bricked
zinc talon
grizzled aspen
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
vast rapids
☠️
zinc talon
ember yew
to the crafting rework waiting room it goes then
grizzled aspen
If it makes you feel any better, okri, I ruined a perfect zarona the other day.
zinc talon
Gear Mountain rises steadily to the east
I'm not too arsed about it, I haven't started collecting sticker book stamps for the double barrel yet
grizzled aspen
I would've passed the bps for both dreg gunner 1taps and crusher 2 taps if I had swapped the correct perks around but I jumped the gun and ruined it.
grizzled aspen
That's depressing to look at.
zinc talon
whenever I think I might be making a bad decision
grizzled aspen
Crafting rework will fix it.
zinc talon
or doing something under or uninformed
I pull this shield out and stare at it for a bit
it helps reign in truly terrible behavior until you learn how to get it right
(the Ripper 6 ranged weapon is Buzz Sawldrin)
so what's the general consensus
Agni or Indignatus
dense field
Indi
zinc talon
I feel most comfortable with the Agni but it has a couple pretty glaring holes in its timing
(fwiw the Agni is I believe a straight port from the Basher light strike combo, with the order moved around, and the Indignatus is the same but the Pride)
Okri is 30+585 so safe to say I've put some time in the seat with the bonkers
I can't tell exactly and I don't really care enough to go check
but the shock mauls and the red/blue mace feel very similar
down to the swing animations
that's how I noticed, fighting in third person anyway
dense field
Indignatus just works
grizzled aspen
I haven't played with the indignatus yet, but I do really like the feel of the agni.
dense field
They both feel great
wind barn
how does hit and run work. is it 7+ meters or under 7 meters?
dense field
You kill something close to you -> you get the immunity
ember yew
hit and run buff to 12m when
vestal pine
ember yew
this one unbrickable?
Stamina -> Flak
Surgical -> Pinning Fire
with pinning fire and cavalcade you can magdump in emergency situations
even better if it's piety
you also already got surgical one
so this one can be this
vestal pine
damage and burning low sucks hmmm
austere lagoon
for some reason i never thought about piety actually affecting ranged crit chance
sullen eagle
saveable?
obsidian prairie
You can roll groaners and hit and run to something else
Unarmored at least has marginal use
buoyant yarrow
Did they just buff the flamer? Am I seeing this right?
spare talon
a little bit
vast rapids
WE EATING GOOD TONIGHT
obsidian prairie
What do those buffs actually mean for it though
spare talon
it just makes it a little better against fodder
as it has a higher impact damage
making it require fewer ticks to kill them
vast rapids
spare talon
but for anything bigger like faction enemies or elites, its not enough to be significant
gleaming hawk
I want a flamer that kills everything but has very limited ammo
vast rapids
Doesn't it apply burn stacks on anything vaguely inside of its hit box?
Which if I remember have curve efficency (multiplier higher the more stacks on a target)
obsidian prairie
I want a flamer that kills everything but has very limited ammo
Otherwise known as a melta
Which is basically a fucked up shotgun or a death laser depending on who wrote/ designed it
Most game iterations have it as an instantaneous beam or cone weapon
vast rapids
In probably the most annoying and needless way of expressing my opinion possible, i like the flamer as is.
vestal pine
I want a flamer that kills everything but has very limited ammo
so melta
frosty herald
Boltgun has the best melta
burnt granite
That is 2x dmg and stagger on the direct flame contact when holding it. Thats pretty huge
vast rapids
Yeah its awesome
spiral anvil
Anyone tried the new flamer yet?
ripe heron
Best flamer usage was briefly igniting for max burn stacks then switching to melee, this buff makes it better to hold the fire on target.
hasty sequoia
is xv eviscerator crit piety still the ideal clear build?
dense field
It was never "the ideal clear build" but it's good.
slow stag
whats the ideal build then ?
frosty herald
Lacerate haymaker piety
hushed agate
Heavy sword piety fotf
hushed agate
Lacerate haymaker piety
Or that
lean lark
hsword bolter momentum fotf/hsword bolter momentum stealth
peak pasture
Bros is the new shot gun bad r what. Feel like it does nothing, compared to the pistol or the autoguns
lean lark
new shot gun is very good
peak pasture
Are there any perks that must be on it? I got to like 2 shot to kill a rager or smthing
slow stag
momentum is better than piety for HS ?
peak pasture
When there is a horde rager bunch its doesn't seem to pierce
lean lark
Are there any perks that must be on it? I got to like 2 shot to kill a rager or ...
+maniac and elites, deathspitter + whatever
lean lark
momentum is better than piety for HS ?
yes
slow stag
this a decent build for it ?
slow stag
dang
slow stag
actually i was watching youtube vidoes after i made this one apperantly im all outdated
polar nexus
and what is you ranged weapon?
slow stag
fire shotty or revolver (mostly revolver)
i wanna run the HS or the mk15 heavy evisc with something
hushed knoll
and what is you ranged weapon?
Hi Keet 
polar nexus
if you really want stuns you could go that way
retributor's is not really good and you have second wind
polar nexus
no
stuns are longer and you can block entire pack with it
immo will kill the small elites in a pack of crusher
but the cost to get the stun is high
maybe too much
slow stag
dam im still 2 points short if i wanted second wind
polar nexus
slow stag
knife is life?
slow stag
really? dam i thought ewew would be great
well i could drop those 2 and get second wind with immo
slow stag
this one better workin ?
polar nexus
yep
slow stag
thanks for your help
polar nexus
that's actually one of my build
except i take backstab cdr
because it is quite good
slow stag
what would u drop for it ?
slow stag
i see i guess by 10% move speed u mean swap swfit cert
bitter yoke
is xv eviscerator crit piety still the ideal clear build?
Might be better off with the Mk II that has no cap on heavies
lean lark
this a decent build for it ?
no, ill send mine one sec
ember yew
this one better workin ?
my default build for Crucis and Chainaxe4
with the backstab cdr ofc
there's just no points for Swift C.
grizzled aspen
No duellist?
cunning knoll
No backstab cdr?
grizzled aspen
Backstab cdr isn't super necessary because half the time the game doesn't register that you've done a backstab.
But like... if you're gonna be doing a dodge setup like this, why would you not take duellist?
Especially since you've already burned the points to get over there.
I'd drop holy revenant (the heal from melee damage when you pop invuln) for duellist for that nasty damage.
placid fiber
This is, oddly, one time I will agree. That is a dodge heavy build, so duellist makes sense
I don't use it, generally, since I have poor aim and generally am not using a finesse heavy weapon
grizzled aspen
It's good even on non finesse heavy weapons.
placid fiber
Maybe, I just would rather have something I know works for me instead
grizzled aspen
Granted it's better if you've got the stacking finesse damage and can hit sick nasty numbers, but it's still a very strong perk even if you aren't using a finesse weapon.
placid fiber
If I'm gonna choose between +15 toughness or duellist on my marty build, I'm taking the toughness since that's what lets me have 172 toughness in my marty build >.>
but I know what works for me
Duellist... it can be nice, but, it generally comes at the expense of something that I know works for me
and I have poor aim
I do agree duellist is an amazing talent to take, it just isn't one I prefer for myself
placid fiber
Granted it's *better* if you've got the stacking finesse damage and can hit sick...
Sound reasonable enough? >.>'
I would recommend duellist to people, it just comes at the expense of something that I know works for me and my specific playstyle
most of the time
spare dome
so fucking sick of smoking
placid fiber
Smoking sucks
I've seen the effects it has on people, which is one reason I never tried it
fleet zealot
placid fiber
So, how do you feel now that you've gone from a ferret to a deer?
fleet zealot
So, how do you feel now that you've gone from a ferret to a deer?
I am a ferret that appreciates deer
placid fiber
fleet zealot
Floof and floofer
placid fiber
I dub thee: Ferret of the week!
All I have to offer are cheez its, really bitter coffee, or pretzels...
Or if you're really out there some uh... polyethylene glycol >.>
aka: miralax <_<'
That's... that's all I really have on my desk atm
fast scroll
knotty mountain
man i keep killing enemies , toughness regen is good but still my hp gets low
any skill from tree should i use?
misty nova
Restoring Faith is a thing, although might not be affordable for all builds
south folio
second wind gang
knotty mountain
thinking to use crit strike spam build , any builds out there?
placid fiber
man i keep killing enemies , toughness regen is good but still my hp gets low
learning the game is the main thing, but, sometimes you just get fucked by the game
placid lily
Ok English natives, I need your thoughts. Work is making me take a English courses to get an official C2 certificate in English.
On a test I wrote:
“Forecasts indicate a rise in global temperatures of 150% by 2100”
However
My bitch ass instructor, who is Italian btw not even a native, marked it as wrong because she said “indicate” is not used in actual English.
Now, I call ultra mega cap on that shit, I’ve seen it used SO many times, but instructor still claims it was wrong even after showing examples in the Cambridge dictionary.
Now I need a 3rd party’s opinion. Is “indicate” really out of place? Or is my instructor a dumb illiterate fuck? (I am tilted)
placid fiber
https://tenor.com/view/wee-ride-door-open-wind-gif-13396725
This kid's ability the open the door is equal to my ability to aim, I think
ember yew
Ok English natives, I need your thoughts. Work is making me take a English cours...
could it be that he expected "predict" there instead of "indicate"
im not native english tho
placid lily
Sure but to mark it WRONG? Bro I am fuming
ember yew
south folio
it's technically imprecise but the point is carried anyways
placid fiber
I'm not 100% sure and I am a native english speaker lol
south folio
seems extremely pedantic to mark that wrong
placid lily
I’m gonna kms
placid fiber
I mean the wording maybe could be slightly better, but, I read it and understood what you meant
south folio
on second thought "indicate" there is completely fine even if you're being pedantic
placid fiber
I know, it seems petty tbh
placid lily
What gets me is the fucking balls to mark it wrong and double down after I show you a dictionary example
ripe heron
Bad teachers.
placid lily
And to tell me “it’s not used in real English” like WHAT
IS THERE A FAKE ENGLISH I DONT KNOW ABOUT???
placid fiber
I mean people are probably more likely to say predict than indicate, but, indicate is not wrong from what I can tell
placid lily
This language sucks
south folio
IS THERE A FAKE ENGLISH I DONT KNOW ABOUT???
just use the 1700s dicitonary that your teacher is using
placid lily
just use the 1700s dicitonary that your teacher is using
Trueee
ember yew
And to tell me “it’s not used in real English” like WHAT
indicates likelihood of above-average rainfall
south folio
clearly they are wrong
ember yew
shiet
placid lily
THATS WHAT I AM SAYING
south folio
fucked up that all these english speakers are wrong
placid fiber
I mean english is a stupid language
placid lily
So true
placid fiber
and I can say that as a native english speaker
spare dome
no cap fr fr its so skibidi sad to see english standards shredded so bad smh
placid lily
I’m gonna go learn Latin or something cool
placid lily
no cap fr fr its so skibidi sad to see english standards shredded so bad smh
On god
placid fiber
I mean that really did seem petty to mark that sentence as wrong
placid lily
I rest easy knowing I’m not a complete idiot (my teacher is)
placid fiber
Maybe they wanted you to use "indicates" instead of "indicate"?
English is really trippy language
ember yew
usually when they point a mistake they also offer a solution
or he just brushed it off
"you're wrong, bye" ?
placid fiber
Like I was saying: it really seemed petty
ember yew
Ask him what's the "right" answer to that
placid lily
Maybe they wanted you to use "indicates" instead of "indicate"?
I get that, but man that’s is petty
placid lily
Ask him what's the "right" answer to that
“Forecasts say/show” apparently
placid fiber
I get that, but man that’s is petty
cough "that's" means that is, so you said that is is petty COUGH COUGH
😉
placid lily
I will shoot you
placid fiber
I actually am trying to help, with a side of a tiny bit of trolling <.<'
placid lily
placid fiber
😏
ember yew
“Forecasts say/show” apparently
I failed to find any examples
placid lily
🤣
placid fiber
“Forecasts say/show” apparently
That... honestly kind of sounds worse in that sentence...
placid lily
Lmfao
placid lily
Mario main
placid fiber
show I can see, but, not say
placid lily
Can I just say
placid lily
Kinda pepoWeird that I have an Italian English teacher in Dublin
placid fiber
I mean I read it correctly, lol
rocky marsh
placid lily
Chonc catto
placid lily
Become two catto
placid lily
https://tenor.com/view/gremlins_film-1984_films-gremlin_stripe-mogwai-cute-gif-2...
Its nails are throwing me off, they’re in 16k resolution
royal vortex
south folio
what a chad
coarse birch
this was not on purpose
spare dome
good thing the smoke masked the explosion
south folio
how are you fuckiNG SHAQUILLE
the brick has finally hit josho
royal vortex
i have to take smokes for agile engagement
so i just deploy them at stupid times to annoy my teammates
south folio
good thing the smoke masked the explosion
josho's such a bro for covering up yoshi's crime
south folio
i didn't even know what happened until they posted the video
spare dome
this was me yesterday for embarrasment
sometimes u set up a devious ploy
for urself
south folio
https://www.twitch.tv/exploitstv/clip/ArtisticBlitheMinkCoolCat-pCwamcVuRK-b8kGU
fucked up that they would put a pit there specifically to screw you over 2 years after the game's launch
south folio
so sad that the shotgunners didn't just airshot josho
spare dome
yo surf maps tho
royal vortex
thats the same pit where a mutie threw arco off
south folio
nuh uh
spare dome
skeet shootin USA
south folio
it was the pit behind
south folio
stupid bitch
spare dome
"i do not know what this 'josho' is, but it sounds needy"
south folio
had enough of being scoreboard fodder
royal vortex
the best part about yellow toughness is that i get to play like a fkin 2 year old in a cabinet full of chemicals around poxbursters
spare dome
you get to enjoy the forbidden pirate juice
royal vortex
fleet zealot
https://youtu.be/kVDa05-U980?si=j1hp03ebyPprCJBb japan really be smoking that deer pack
spare dome
wish i liked the way the recon II felt
solar gorge
https://youtu.be/kVDa05-U980?si=j1hp03ebyPprCJBb japan really be smoking that de...
death sentence for posting that
coarse birch
how are you fuckiNG SHAQUILLE
lmao
coarse birch
wish i liked the way the recon II felt
i can only play the 6
cause recon is not interesting enough to me to not just use the one with a funny fire rate
spare dome
well the BRRRR feels much better than the other two with the slower rate
and its just pure feel btw
output wise the II is honestly pretty fantastic now
but it FEEEELS blah
solar gorge
I think it's just the lack of recoil combined with the low dmg output per individual shot
spare dome
now that the VId is slowed a bit i dont love it as much as i did
merry flume
message was deleted, wonder if you guys were all talking about the same person i recently had the displeasure of playing with
solar gorge
feels like you're using a super soaker
spiral anvil
There's little to no stagger on heretics
Either you kill the flamer or you getting cooked
solar gorge
while on the other hand to me
the classic infantry lasgun feels great to use
(on vet)
solar gorge
nice recoil, sounds powerful-ish
spiral anvil
iLas with MF feels powerful when you get to one shot territory
solar gorge
can actually hit hard per individual shots
spiral anvil
One shotting ragers, specials
solar gorge
unlike the stream of red piss that is the recon
hard nexus
unlike the stream of red piss that is the recon
i have that
spiral anvil
Red piss or the recon
royal vortex
spare dome
smh cant believe they got rid of my candle sight
solar gorge
nvm the reverting of shooters that is the real tragedy
spare dome
CANDLE SIGHT
solar gorge
reddit ruins another game
spare dome
I PAID GOOD MONEY
solar gorge
😔
spare dome
TO HAVE MY SIGHTS OBSTRUCTED
coarse birch
i really like that skin too lol
solar gorge
it does look p good with the golden engravings
but now the fire is gone
ruined 0/10
spare dome
i specifically paid to be nerfed
spiral anvil
I played a little with the reverted shooters
They seem to still have the cover behaviour
But less shooty
misty nova
Engravings...... give you no tactical advantage whatsoever
frank night
https://streamable.com/4rcm47
u did this and i flashbacked to the time u killed urself in that hangar
and then lockheed-martin's mutie heatseeked me to death
lusty turtle
now that the VId is slowed a bit i dont love it as much as i did
what do you mean slowed
it shoots faster!
spiral anvil
Slow handling I assume
north sedge
can't believe it shoots so very slow
ember yew
https://streamable.com/4rcm47
rocket burster jump
merry flume
surely +flak isn't a make or break, especially with uncanny
lusty turtle
but yes recon lascoil still is nothing, the feedbacks awful
rocky gull
surely +flak isn't a make or break, especially with uncanny
UNCANNY?!
spiral anvil
That's perfectly fine
royal vortex
u did this and i flashbacked to the time u killed urself in that hangar
lockheed mutant
ember yew
surely +flak isn't a make or break, especially with uncanny
facts
lusty turtle
maybe one day they'll fix it
spare dome
<:GatorHUH:1012628924435546152>
u know wot i mean u smeaky skellytonne
rocky gull
https://tenor.com/view/licking-failarmy-taste-it-yummy-delicious-gif-10486140191...
lol
lusty turtle
no i don't!
royal vortex
but the recoil system is arcane and stupid
vraks 3 recoil having variations depending on like the fkin millisecond you hit the fire input for the 2nd burst
spare dome
the draw and the reload speed
i am very happy to see tho
that the mobility values were normalized across all types
but it is funny that the 6d is meant to be the machine gun but is still +.6 sprint at max
lusty turtle
its draw speed should be the same
spare dome
the notes say it is slower
lusty turtle
spare dome
and i want to believe the notes because i think what got touched was sprint > fire time
but as a whole, 6d plays different now anyway
Recon II takes the spot of what 6d was before imo
spiral anvil
It's really good vs shooter galleries
spare dome
of being mobile, Agile Engagement-type
6d is XStance machine gun
long sustained fire
frosty herald
recon has 0 oomph behind it
no feedback of hitting something or a meaningful anything
lusty turtle
of being mobile, Agile Engagement-type
ye that was the goal anyway tbh
royal vortex
lusty turtle
cause 6d being the 2 but faster was kind like
coarse birch
it does feel like a laser smg which is nice
lusty turtle
"wow these are the same thing"
spare dome
also fix whatever this is i blame u skelly
https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeSuccessfulBatArsonNoSexy-CCWvbzoObNpqyESC
coarse birch
i still want a proper smg though
royal vortex
boltpistol is kinda funny
spare dome
yeah that was all the recons though
except, lmao
man the recon II really was
just the redheaded step child
lusty turtle
also fix whatever this is i blame u skelly
https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeSucce...
he shot you around it, skill issue 😔
spare dome
of every weapon family
lusty turtle
boltpistol is kinda funny
funny good or funny i should be concerned
royal vortex
because i had 2 instances in a row where i shot a poxburster and it flung forward
lusty turtle
just the redheaded step child
ye its why i made it the most like, standard of the 3
its a nice work horse
royal vortex
but i need to test it
spiral anvil
Oh yea that happens to me too
royal vortex
to figure out why the poxbursters kept flying at me when i shot them
lusty turtle
because i had 2 instances in a row where i shot a poxburster and it flung forwar...
simply don't shoot pox bursters 
royal vortex
they have jammed 200% extra heresy into these guns
spiral anvil
But not forward, like an angle to the side
coarse birch
i like the boltpistol but between suppression and recoil it can get a little painful
royal vortex
simply don't shoot pox bursters <a:AmeliaSMHHD:854361805233193020>
i refuse
spare dome
dont shoot poxbursters
royal vortex
But not forward, like an angle to the side
ok yeah this is when it was happening to me
spare dome
shoot someone BESIDE the poxburster
royal vortex
i almost killed a teammate like twice
spare dome
so that the round detonates
royal vortex
in one match
spare dome
and takes out the burster
coarse birch
(it was me)
lusty turtle
i like the boltpistol but between suppression and recoil it can get a little pai...
yuuup
spiral anvil
It's like the deimos bug migrated to the bolt pistol
lusty turtle
recoil in general needs a rework
royal vortex
boltpistol's hipfire makes me want to fucking
EXPLODE
also double barrel making your guy break his shoulder if you swap after firing
royal vortex
weapon specialist gets 300% harder
when u have to fight the camera
every time u shoot
spiral anvil
Yea DBS making you look down after shooting is a noted bug
spiral anvil
Also DBS braced shot not letting you swap for some time
royal vortex
not if u have manstopper
coarse birch
to be fair
spare dome
nerf kickback
lusty turtle
kickback is dumb, but DBS is at the other end of the scale of being dumb bad
spiral anvil
And last I checked ogryns don't have agile engagement
spare dome
i threw a knife at a sniper 60m away and my ogryn outsniped my throw with his kickback while firing through a horde
lusty turtle
like, why does it have an effective range of 2m
royal vortex
im fairly annoyed they nerfed a bunch of already underperforming/barely hanging on blessings because they plan to change itemization in like 2-3 months
really aggravating for flechette to get hit with a nerf bat when it was used for 2 stupid meme builds
coarse birch
josho hates nerfs now? smh
royal vortex
there was literally 0 point to doing this before the itemization rework
it's just stupid
vast basin
The range of the DB is actually not that bad if you single fire it
lusty turtle
dont ask me josho idk
royal vortex
i don't know who thought it was a good idea but they should NEVER be allowed to think again
spiral anvil
I already had my fill of mid fletchette builds
royal vortex
i cant even fkin play the bleedinator now
lusty turtle
The range of the DB is actually not that bad if you single fire it
i've hit and failed to kill a sniper at 3m with it before
coarse birch
🫡
lusty turtle
its so sad
spare dome
nerfing flechette was the compromise to banning all flechette users
spare dome
ur banned
royal vortex
vast basin
i've hit and failed to kill a sniper at 3m with it before
That... Is unfortunate
royal vortex
like, why does it have an effective range of 2m
probably because they gave it the same ammo as the kant lmao
lusty turtle
I should do a pass over shotgun numbers one day
vast basin
But I can kill a sniper at a decent range with the db because the single shots have better minimum pellet count I think
royal vortex
my favorite "what the fuck" of the patch is that the indignatus's h2 and h3 chain to two different strikedown lights with opposite attack arcs
vast basin
I don't find it that bad
royal vortex
the h2 chains to the uppercut, the h3 to a light strikedown
spare dome
my favorite "what the fuck" of the patch is that the indignatus's h2 and h3 chai...
i try not to think about this
royal vortex
h2/h3 have almost or completely identical animations
royal vortex
so unless you're counting swings you dont know where to put the camera
royal vortex
it's so fuckin weird and it's like, there are playtesters???? did anyone at all ever try this???? how????
lusty turtle
esp. since the weapon table says there's only H1 and H2
Huh, i'll feed that back
spare dome
i dont see the problem
really darktide doesnt have enough reverse parabolic damage tables
royal vortex
it's true
lusty turtle
Is... is that how it actually performs???
spiral anvil
The fourth guy is the middle of the newton cradle
royal vortex
Is... is that how it actually performs???
this is the sweep
(on flak)
they both have 11 cleave according to the bp calc
coarse birch
Is... is that how it actually performs???
BP calc pulls from code so yeah that would be what happens
lusty turtle
I wont lie i was in the accatran mines, other than some initial suggestions i didnt touch mauls much
royal vortex
dude im ngl
i have no fucking idea what they were doing with the shock mauls
cuz some of the numerical weirdness is just like "how did you even do this"
spiral anvil
11 cleave strikedowns?
royal vortex
yes
coarse birch
i think theres a few strikedowns with weird cleave values
spare dome
yea thats not that unusual
royal vortex
i think theres a few strikedowns with weird cleave values
normally when this happens u have some other derangement
like them being the same category as a sweep
spiral anvil
I know ogin pickaxe strikdowns hit alot of targets
royal vortex
or an ogryn weapon
coarse birch
skele hopped on DT 😭
lusty turtle
BP calc pulls from code so yeah that would be what happens
i'd still need to see it ingame tho
it may pull from code but its still 3rd party so can't really use it as direct feedback
spare dome
the calc does in fact make errors sometimes
coarse birch
worth testing, although ive never seen BP calc be wrong
spare dome
so yeah we still want to see it
coarse birch
and ive tested that things numbers for days
placid dirge
Someone knows how better blitz in maelstorm works with knives ? just better damage ?
coarse birch
but it could be a goofy error
royal vortex
gives u +2
spare dome
you get two more knives
placid dirge
that sucks
spare dome
dont spend them all in one reaper
royal vortex
also crowd control is such a funny stat
jagged lark
I can't tell if it's Ogryn brain, but I can not wrap my head around how to do the knife run thing with the zealot. I'm going to go for the penances for Shroudfield and Loner soon, but I don't want to hold back my lobbies.
coarse birch
also crowd control is such a funny stat
truly the stat of all time
lusty turtle
looks like its working fine ingame
royal vortex
are u doing the strikedown or the sweep
spare dome
according to the calc if u stack 10 groaners and then put one pogryn at the end u should do 11,000 to the pogryn
lusty turtle
Which strike down was the issue? Cycling through them and not finding one with inverse falloff
royal vortex
should be any of them
jagged lark
are u doing the strikedown or the sweep
Uh, how do I pick? I was just holding left click a bunch while sprinting?
lusty turtle
Nope, normal falloff here
jagged lark
Do I have to block/special cancel or something?
frozen glen
really aggravating for flechette to get hit with a nerf bat when it was used for...
they nerfed it so the boltpistol bleed build can shine obviously
jagged lark
Or do you just mean which knife? I'm using the strikedown one. The Mk III
split ibex
Hadron is very kind today 👀
frozen glen
Or do you just mean which knife? I'm using the strikedown one. The Mk III
you just sprint while holding heavy and slide as soon as you release it so you dont slow down to the attack
royal vortex
although sometimes u get weirdness with strikedown heavies where it returns the wrong target ordering which i think has always been a bug (mostly for actual in-mission gameplay iirc)
lusty turtle
ye wondering if its target order bug again
royal vortex
this one i think is a lil more clear
coarse birch
that would make sens
royal vortex
first 2 guys die, 4th guy is staggered with 0 damage, 5th guy resumes taking damage
coarse birch
actually
royal vortex
the target order thing just changes which enemies receive the damage in which order
(moreso an issue for stuff like crucis)
coarse birch
wish i had that one memorized
spare dome
games are fukken hard to make mayne
split ibex
taxe mk 7 l2 attack speed bug is still there
that's because you're supposed to use H2, duh /s
coarse birch
games are fukken hard to make mayne
with how much shit is going on under the hood in this game im honestly mroe forgiving of this sort of thing even if its weird
royal vortex
if u ignore the ordering and just assume "one guy doesn't get damaged and the rest does within the cleave limit" u can see this holds true for stacking 5 groaners on top of each other
jagged lark
you just sprint while holding heavy and slide as soon as you release it so you d...
Thank you so much. This makes my stupid brain understand.
frank night
https://streamable.com/fzyliu
leave the psykhanium
spiral anvil
I learnt the knife speedrun tech from vet chat last week
if you hold the heavy and keep tapping 1 or (equip melee weapon) you never ever swing that melee
so basically you can keep the sprint speed forever
royal vortex
also with 80% crowd control the saul special just barely doesnt get 1 cleave
coarse birch
sadness
spiral anvil
i assume the saul special being able to hit only 1 thing is intended
frozen glen
getting edged for crafting update
royal vortex
it should have infinite cleave but cost stamina for every target u hit
and it still has the stab special
so u have to drag the camera
coarse birch
too bad its sticky
spiral anvil
imagine if thunder hammer had that
royal vortex
too bad its sticky
lightning reflexes my beloved
lusty turtle
passed it along
coarse birch
look at josho being a good citizen
lusty turtle
i DO think its the cleave order bug again cause its on the H1 cleave on the indig
coarse birch
i blame DT code
spiral anvil
cleave order bug
royal vortex
i think sometimes the wrong number is just put in the cleave damage list
spiral anvil
how does it
coarse birch
is that ogryn
royal vortex
vet
coarse birch
huh those have more cleave than i thought
spiral anvil
one of those is not like the other
royal vortex
god i love weapon specialist (unrelated)
coarse birch
Wep specialist is pog
lusty turtle
god i love weapon specialist (unrelated)
weapon spec acca 6
spiral anvil
can zealots have weapon specialist 2
coarse birch
Dont mention recon around josho
lusty turtle
very fun totally not unhinged combo
royal vortex
i played the recon 2 once and ive had my recon gameplay for the year
this weapon family just isnt for me
frank night
u'll be back
coarse birch
if josho plays recon again in less than 12 months we will not hear from him again
rough galleon
love that 2am SEA quickplay
coarse birch
honestly if josho likes you id be more concerned
royal vortex
im sad that im p sure manstopper is getting nuked from orbit in the itemization update
although it deserves it
coarse birch
recons are good atm i just think they will be compared to IAGs and in turn not used
in favor iags
lusty turtle
yes, most likely
spare dome
yes we already saw that with the bistol
coarse birch
but iags are also just overtuned
spiral anvil
im sad that im p sure manstopper is getting nuked from orbit in the itemization ...
wouldnt they be buffed instead if psyker surge blessing is anything to go by
lusty turtle
they're better compared to the brautos tbh
spare dome
"well its no revolver"
lusty turtle
but iags are also just overtuned
real
royal vortex
wouldnt they be buffed instead if psyker surge blessing is anything to go by <:K...
stripped down was given the ranged damage immunity in a patch
and then they removed the sprint speed
they are co opting manstopper
into impact
lusty turtle
they're better compared to the brautos tbh
not better than them, but as in more comparable
spare dome
bring back my sprint speed
royal vortex
it would be so fucking funny if they made it an impact blessing
and it just became a turd
spiral anvil
impact blessings need to be minimum 200% for anyone to give a flying
spiral anvil
i used to run brauto weapon spec
spiral anvil
its over
coarse birch
my bad
frosty herald
jumped his ass
royal vortex
i think part of the problem is that if u play like
exe stance recon
u have to sit there and shoot shooters
because this is ur job
and i just never really ever want to have to sit there and perform december 2022 gameplay
i will do anything to avoid playing like the mandatory damnation mgxii vet
spare dome
i think the trap 90% (made up number) of players run into is trying to hypermaximize their xstance uptime
lusty turtle
exe stance recon
why the fuck
spare dome
you dont have to press F every time you see an elite or shooter
royal vortex
the only exe stance gun i play is bolter where it is mandatory
lusty turtle
are u playing exe stance????
spiral anvil
what else, pee shout recon?
spare dome
and you dont have to stubbornly stick to your gun at all times once you do press F
royal vortex
because if u shoot it without exe stance ur game instantly crashes
spiral anvil
infiltrate recon? 
lusty turtle
stealth recon is based
spare dome
i do stealth recon ye
royal vortex
stealth is such an awfully designed ult i dont play it on either class that gets it
light holly
Why are you playing recon 
spare dome
because VoC can die in a shallow grave
spiral anvil
true
light holly
Also, no vet in their right mind is using exe with mxii
royal vortex
so im left with shout (overtuned) or exe stance (if you're 90% of vets including the one on this discord you are somehow incapable of fighting in melee with exe stance)
light holly
Nobody uses that... thing
fleet zealot
i'm playing stealth vet LOL i'm sorry
opaque island
jumped his ass
first time I fought him i was thinking "oh shit!? already!?" second time was more like "jump him i want his shoes"
royal vortex
Also, no vet in their right mind is using exe with mxii
"december 2022"
fleet zealot
stealth recon has saved so many games
light holly
Oh I understand what you mean now
royal vortex
if u do not know the sacred incantation i refer to u are a dt zoomer and thusly ignored
fleet zealot
so i can just focus on all the trash shooters
spare dome
Respect ur elders
lusty turtle
how do you do stealth recon
use stealth for the 30% close range dmg boost, on a dum dum deathspitter accatran
fleet zealot
cause no one else will do it
lusty turtle
stealth and charge at the enemy
spare dome
nah low profile is kick ass
light holly
This was simply back when I didn't know the stats 
royal vortex
they should sell a broccoli cut cosmetic you can only buy if you started playing after patch 13
lusty turtle
drop out for the suppression and dmg boost and blast away
spiral anvil
doesnt sound very powerful 
spare dome
royal vortex
i would rather eat the skin off my hands than use an ilas for more than 1 match at a time
coarse birch
Funny
light holly
Oh no, and then we had rhe patch where VOC made everyone invincible
lusty turtle
gaming
royal vortex
i could
light holly
Truely
fleet zealot
yea i get mk12 is in a bad spot with BPs now but damn some people in vet act like the gun shoots nerf darts
coarse birch
I could be convinced
light holly
Voc has been stronger
coarse birch
Although im reinstalling dt been getting really weird performance issues
lusty turtle
yea i get mk12 is in a bad spot with BPs now but damn some people in vet act lik...
wait
light holly
yea i get mk12 is in a bad spot with BPs now but damn some people in vet act lik...
I mean it shoots good
fleet zealot
basically, mk12 struggles to hit 1 hit bps without massive investment
royal vortex
we should set rending kickback gunlugger as the baseline evaluation for all guns
light holly
I can literally see the numbers in my face saying I'm doing less dps over time than running either ilas
light holly
basically, mk12 struggles to hit 1 hit bps without massive investment
That is true!
spiral anvil
i rather just play mk4 with MF, hits BP too and much faster
light holly
But if I'm taking any ilas I'm typically going down the same route
fleet zealot
so mkia is used cause it can hit 2 hit BPs easily without much investment and way better ammo economy
coarse birch
we should set rending kickback gunlugger as the baseline evaluation for all guns
I am going to pile drive you off the highest cliff i can find
lusty turtle
with no exe stance or mf stacks up my garbage old XII does this to UY
opaque island
I am going to pile drive you off the highest cliff i can find
i wanna die in some spectacular way like this
spiral anvil
3 shots reaper unplayable
light holly
Real
fleet zealot
with no exe stance or mf stacks up my garbage old XII does this to UY
yea i personally think mk12 is just in a rough spot
light holly
It's definetly copium so the longlas has a place
lusty turtle
with no exe stance or mf stacks up my garbage old XII does this to UY
if i have exe up and mf stacks it can 1 shot reapers 
light holly
The mxii truly suffers so the theoretically longlas can shine
rocky marsh
Just a passing reminder of kirby.
fleet zealot
mk4 is fun and fires fast, and mkia hits the mk12 bps+1 fairly easy
light holly
Mk4 slaps, but I'm a vanilla gamer
lusty turtle
the IAG biggest issue is recoil and shotplacement vs reticule
light holly
And don't want to increase my carpal tunnel
rocky marsh
Oh no, and then we had rhe patch where VOC made everyone invincible
They patched the voc mean immune to range for entire duration already?
spiral anvil
yes
lusty turtle
na they saved the review bomb for uhhhhh
royal vortex
@coarse birch reinstall dt
lusty turtle
what was the recent one?
royal vortex
chastise nerf
spiral anvil
people play zealot?
spare dome
crit cdr
royal vortex
do u wanna?
i can in a sec a cat is mauling me
rocky marsh
I thought chastise nerf is just no more gun chastise
light holly
<:smileyasuda:759542059345510470>
lusty turtle
i can in a sec a cat is mauling me
good, kill him cat
light holly
I thought chastise nerf is just no more gun chastise
If I recall it makes it so you can only proc it once so you can't cleave and get more cdr?
rocky marsh
Game is slowly clawing back the power creep. Not sure good or bad since I played when the power crwwp was near the peak
light holly
Or was that fury...
coarse birch
idk why my internet is being slow atm
light holly
Game is slowly clawing back the power creep. Not sure good or bad since I played...
Where
We received nerfs this patch
rocky marsh
I started on p13.
rocky marsh
We received nerfs this patch
Yeah seems like they are starting to level things down now, which again idk good or bad
light holly
Oh sorry I misread
coarse birch
id say its moving away from power creep overall they are aware of the broken stuff and slowly nerfing sthings
light holly
rocky marsh
id say its moving away from power creep overall they are aware of the broken stu...
That what I said!!!
light holly
Yeah, I mean
I don't recall anything having power creep
Unless you consider the talents getting adjusted over time
rocky marsh
It's bad for me because I'm used to the power fantasy. And FS balances things by raw numbers most of the time instead of changing/adding mechanics.
Technically good because game is repetitive
rocky marsh
Yeah, I mean
I don't recall anything having power creep
Stuff too stronk, at least according to the community. Personal opinion is that its fine for the type of game DT is.
How it brands itself as well.
light holly
I guess that's more just toning back how strong things are, power creep suggests we get new things that makes old things irrelevant no?
rocky marsh
Sorry, misuse of germ.
Term
FUCK
Tho I guess new texh tree count? But ya, misuse of term.
spiral anvil
why
rocky marsh
Imagine you are correct then you would get pinned message
lusty turtle
Yeah, I mean
I don't recall anything having power creep
theres a few weapons that got power crept and then never resolved
spiral anvil
thats too much of a leak for the playtesters to even hint at
lusty turtle
they're fixing some stuff as they go (see fotf change) but its slow
rocky marsh
Brum got nerfed this patch right
I read the patch notes and I'm just
They killing off zealot. Psyker prob would be next
lusty turtle
brum? idk i don't use it on anything
royal vortex
they ruined brauto crit strings. how am i supposed to play it now
rocky marsh
Sorry I'm caxe user.
Weapon actually feels like I'm killing stuff instead of hitting stuff around
lusty turtle
as far as im aware BM didn't get touched at all
royal vortex
they removed it working on ogryn enemies
lusty turtle
oh so literally only affects ogryn players
royal vortex
kid named power sword mk 6
spiral anvil
it affects any weapon with BM against ogryn enemies
but not many weapons can oneshot multiple ogryn enemies except the aforementioned kid
royal vortex
they had to make folding shovels not blow pickaxes out of the water for single target
coarse birch
honestly if they just gutted BM 3 times this patch i wouldnt complain
but yeah its still fine
just an ogryn change really
solar gorge
BM still needs more nerfs yeha
rocky marsh
they removed it working on ogryn enemies
Oh yeah now I remember. Brum + that tier 2 blessing that lets you cut thru 4 ogryns no longer work because of the nerf, correct?
royal vortex
+1 first target damage should be on specific attack archetypes for dif weapons like caxe
and then bm could add an extra +1 to it
sterile basalt
they removed it working on ogryn enemies
Doesn’t work for carapace either
I think
Can’t cleave through mauler heads
rocky marsh
Oh yeah now I remember. Brum + that tier 2 blessing that lets you cut thru 4 ogr...
Someone reply me ;-;
I remember it was on evisc
sterile basalt
It’s mostly to prevent Ogryn one hitting 4 crushers at the same time
sterile basalt
Oh yeah now I remember. Brum + that tier 2 blessing that lets you cut thru 4 ogr...
Still works because that’s not BM
rocky marsh
Also is that path but changed profile pic or just someone with another nunber username
spiral anvil
Someone reply me ;-;
I remember it was on evisc
we just did
and no its not on evisc