zealot-class

[south folio]

scab shooters got nerfed before and then they're only just got buffed back again

[coarse birch]

Shooters are just a real enemy i need to actually pay attention to now

Its a great change

I give a shit about shooters for the first time in a year

[south folio]

the sus thing is the wording since i can't tell if they mean stalkers or shooters

scab shooters had their tracking nerfed whereas scab stalkers were the worst ranged enemy

[coarse birch]

P sure stalkers got buffed ive noticed it

They burst much better now

[hushed agate]

Idk i cant stand playing ogryn anymore so ill keep complaining and yapping

[coarse birch]

Yeah ogryn mobility is p ass i think ogryn needs some work all around

[ornate bone]

I can't get myself to like ogryn

The emphasis on heavy attacks is already ass

[south folio]

i'm starting to have to actually pay attention to where enemies are instead of only reacting to stuff that's like 8m near me

[coarse birch]

Hes not bad and an offensive power house but he loses to stuff that feels awful

[coarse birch]

Unheard of

[hushed agate]

Shooters just bully the fuck out of him atm

I cant handle it

[south folio]

my neurons are beginning to form pathways instead of unga bungaing

[coarse birch]

Its not too bad so long as you arent surrounded in an open area

Cause he has a ton of suppression and toughness etc

Inspiring barrage on rippers

But if you don't have enough melee guys and your in a bad room it is ass

[coarse birch]

Impossible

[vestal pine]

half the map is a open area

unless you empoy domes

funny psyker

[coarse birch]

I mean open area where you also cant easily backtrack or just reach where the gunners spawn from

[vestal pine]

like "position better" becomes a moot point once you killed the shooters you see, and then engage in melee combat, and then a pack of shooters roll out from the corner and blast you

idk if ogryns get innate debuff due to how large the target is

[south folio]

ogryns have no lingering i-frames on dodges

[coarse birch]

They do in terms of taking cover

[vestal pine]

but outside of using shield to auto-cancel shooters i havent been eating great

[coarse birch]

And they have bad dodges

[vestal pine]

the what

[south folio]

no lingering i-frames

[vestal pine]

jeez.

[cunning knoll]

just slide towards the next pack of shooters and engage them in melee as well

[coarse birch]

Human class dodges are much more forgiving

And your swap/chain timings arent abysmal

[south folio]

zealot and psyker having 50% tdr on dodges 😎

[vestal pine]

yeah not happening when they came from the direction the elite im currently engaged in
unless you use the charge but charge is great so idk what to say

[coarse birch]

Deserved

[cunning knoll]

oh ogryn

[vestal pine]

zealot is 25% isnt it?

i like that node tbh

sometimes expensive though

[south folio]

it should be 50% but i'll look it up

[vestal pine]

its 25% for all damage taken

so health included p sure

50% is the crit one that only goes for toughness that i usually drop anyway cause if you get hit you get hit in similar timeframe letting you prc revanant firsthand kek

[south folio]

i'm not referring to good balance but rather the innate tdr

[vestal pine]

ah

they have innate tdr for dodging?

thats something

cause i remember dodging/sliding still crump my toughness if i get hit with random groaner slap

[south folio]

found it

[vestal pine]

thats wild, ill take a memo then

idk why my sliding still crumps like 70% of toughness then

[south folio]

i don't think the sprint tdr worked but i didn't particularly test it

[vestal pine]

ah.

makes sense then

[coarse birch]

Yeah i can't say ive tried that either

[vestal pine]

dodges

[coarse birch]

Dodging and sliding usually gets me through most spots

till i am held in place

[vestal pine]

whats gunslinger_crit_regen, is that mettle?

[spare dome]

member when vet took 2x damage while sprinting

[south folio]

seems to be some unused thingy that i couldn't figure out what it was

[vestal pine]

cool.

[coarse birch]

Can you not find where its first mentioned

Sometimes itll be at the top of the page sometimes it buried

[south folio]

these are the only things that pop up

[coarse birch]

In another file

Ah yeah

Probably somewhere weird then

[vestal pine]

gunners getting a tier down below shooters now for me kek i still dunno what they changed about him he feels exactly the same unlike reaper whose tf2 heavy now

[south folio]

good ol' days

[coarse birch]

Surely vet didnt have anything to balance this out

[vestal pine]

good touchup for reapers btw

still sad that no reaper actually has a rippergun

[south folio]

ranged enemies pushing you poggers

[coarse birch]

Die

[vestal pine]

i dont like the shooter change

[south folio]

poggers

[vestal pine]

i like the reaper change

[coarse birch]

I also remember when psyker blocked for 0.1s

And exploded

[vestal pine]

before it was fatty gunner

[coarse birch]

You know what arco

[vestal pine]

and now they kinda do great

[coarse birch]

Your poggers

[vestal pine]

them moving furiously while firing ablaze definitely makes for a interesting encounter

[frozen glen]

psyker infinite dodge poggers

[royal vortex]

y'roue*

[spare dome]

Idk I'm happy they made them scary again

[coarse birch]

JOSHO

Jaisjbsjw

Go away

[spare dome]

they used to savlo you for 130-40 toughness damage at launch

[vestal pine]

shooters rolling in while you cant physically deal with it is annoying which is why i dont like it, but reapers got a real good touchup

[royal vortex]

rude

[spare dome]

fight by walls n shit

[vestal pine]

idk if they're scary even rn but they are way more threatening now

[spare dome]

if there are none and you are flanked, run right at them

[vestal pine]

im getting used to them(it still hurts) on zealot

ogryns not eating great tho

[hushed knoll]

HELLY POGGYWOGGY JOWOSHO

HELLO

[south folio]

joshy is so poggers

[hushed knoll]

Hello adventurous Arco

[spare dome]

jowoshy*

[coarse birch]

Deser

Wtf

[south folio]

Deser

[hushed knoll]

What

[coarse birch]

Deserved

[frozen glen]

is he assimilating stan

[coarse birch]

I guess i missed the auto complete

[frozen glen]

whats going on

[hushed knoll]

BUCONG BABONG BABONG

[coarse birch]

Tf

[royal vortex]

why

[hushed knoll]

I want to shrink Yoshi down to the size of a pickle and make him fly like an airplane

[south folio]

so true

[nimble fiber]

I don't know how u hear babong stan

[coarse birch]

Your turn

[south folio]

i'm glad we can agree on this

[hushed knoll]

What do you hear

[royal vortex]

it was intentional

i am spared

[coarse birch]

I am not letting you near a shruken version of me

[nimble fiber]

bucong banoing banoing

[south folio]

yeah sounds more like an 'n' or 'd' to me

[hushed knoll]

WTF

[south folio]

how u gonna act like we're the weird ones

you have no rights

[hushed knoll]

Because u are

WTF

I am Asian

No

American

[nimble fiber]

are u

[hushed knoll]

Jesus

[coarse birch]

You are not

[hushed knoll]

I have rights

[south folio]

no you don't

[hushed knoll]

I’m not Asian

Wait that sounds bad

[nimble fiber]

true, u are stan

[frozen glen]

stan

[coarse birch]

Alright stan

[hushed knoll]

Asians have rights

I’m just not Asian

I meant American

[south folio]

fucked up

[hushed knoll]

ARCO NO

[coarse birch]

Stan has multiple asian friends

Says they have no rights

[frozen glen]

im not arco

just put me down if that were the case

[hushed knoll]

I DIDNT MEAN ASIAN AMERICAN

[south folio]

i will gleefully do this for you

[hushed knoll]

Rebders no

Rebders

[coarse birch]

Redbers

[hushed knoll]

Rebders

Rebders

[nimble fiber]

redbears

[coarse birch]

I love that name

[hushed knoll]

I can’t

[south folio]

you can do it

[coarse birch]

3 strikes

[royal vortex]

rebders rebders rebders rebders

[hushed knoll]

Refverse

[south folio]

spin around 3 times

[hushed knoll]

Dammit

[royal vortex]

rip

[coarse birch]

Josho

[nimble fiber]

I saw that yoshi

[coarse birch]

Name change

[vestal pine]

yes i have rights to use lacerate

[south folio]

and redverse will appear behind you (jump scare) (home invasion)

[royal vortex]

he has not named me using the blessed conventions

[spare dome]

stan is an eldritch being who lives between the folds of human brains eating the alphabet of all languages

[royal vortex]

intentional misnamings do not count

[coarse birch]

Needs more parentheses arco

[hushed knoll]

I’m going to use Saran Wrap on your bedroom door

[coarse birch]

?

[south folio]

what

what has my bedroom door done

[royal vortex]

he wants that fan

[vestal pine]

housing you idk

[hushed knoll]

So when you walk out after you do your makeup and wearing sunglasses you will hit the Saran Wrap and your Mark will be smudged and glasses will be breakfast

[frozen glen]

wat da hell

[hushed knoll]

Are you kidding

Broken

Makeup

[south folio]

fucked up

[nimble fiber]

arco is wearing makeup?

[radiant nacelle]

Yep, enormous difference. Thanks for going the extra mile on that! That's super cool.

[coarse birch]

Stan when you are trying to explain something PLEASE proofread

[south folio]

in stan's world i am

[hushed knoll]

Only on brunch days

[coarse birch]

Every day is brunch day if your not awake for breakfast

[south folio]

teacher btw

[hushed knoll]

All people from the west coast have brunch days and they go eat avocado toast

[royal vortex]

smallminded thoughts

[coarse birch]

All of them?

[south folio]

hmm i'm not sure if that's true but if stan says so

[hushed knoll]

[south folio]

censorship

[coarse birch]

Cancel culture at it again

[vestal pine]

what is avocado toast

[hushed knoll]

:acif

[spare dome]

has anyone ever even seen a stan before?

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

PLUHHHH

[royal vortex]

i watched him eat popcorn kernels

it was uncomfortable

[hushed knoll]

It’s a ritual Californians do to stop another earthquake

[south folio]

i don't think i've met a person irl named stan

[left iron]

It took me 30 minutes to sell my inventory of thammers

[nimble fiber]

real

[spare dome]

thats what im sayin

[left iron]

Manually

[south folio]

he's an invention of the gubberment

[surreal shore]

guys

[spare dome]

hes a collective creation of our imaginations

the final scp

[nimble fiber]

what class would that be

[royal vortex]

stan is the inverse of the cthulu who's actually a normal dude who wants to be left alone

[hushed knoll]

@royal vortex

[royal vortex]

he's a regular guy who is actually an eldritch monster

[spare dome]

i dunno i only know the word SCP

[royal vortex]

what is this

why did you ping me

[nimble fiber]

lmao

[royal vortex]

i already saw this

[coarse birch]

Tf

[hushed knoll]

I wanted you to see it again

[coarse birch]

From almost a year ago

[south folio]

he wants you to relive this traumatic experience

[royal vortex]

i did not want to see it again 😦

[hushed knoll]

Damn now my mouth is watering

[south folio]

stan is a cruel and terrible person

[nimble fiber]

unexpected face reveal

[south folio]

would be one of the top 10 war criminals

[spare dome]

lovecraft novel but its about the unfathomable reality that there are forces beyond our comprehension who just want to relax and grill

[hushed knoll]

Arco I’m going to bathe you in avocado

[nimble fiber]

oh no

[hushed knoll]

Until I can call you the green man

[south folio]

bending reality in small and annoying ways

a pedant's worse nightmare

[royal vortex]

in darktide related news ive seen 1 guy say he uninstalled because the new weapons are all shit

[spare dome]

"i swore i typed that out right"
-the stan of rhyleh laughs-

[south folio]

this is horrifying

[royal vortex]

and another who got mad he was being shoehorned into playing bubble psyker

and so he also uninstalled

[south folio]

interesting characters

[solar gorge]

steam forums ?

[royal vortex]

reddit

[spare dome]

a deep community loss

[hushed knoll]

Hi Kanada

Lambda

[solar gorge]

hello

https://tenor.com/view/canada-canadian-flag-flag-waving-flag-canadian-gif-19134852

[spare dome]

im so tired of smykers personally

not that this is a unique feeling

[royal vortex]

i block every smite psyker

[hushed knoll]

So block Arco then

[spare dome]

there's too many ;_;

[south folio]

i'm glad that the worst part of prepatch 13 surge was exacerbated

[nimble fiber]

isn't arco retired

[royal vortex]

😔

[south folio]

?

[nimble fiber]

from psyker

[south folio]

what do you mean asraval

[royal vortex]

i must fight on regardless

[south folio]

oh

[hushed knoll]

Wait Arco you don’t play anymore

Oh

I got nervous

[south folio]

nah i've hopped back onto psyker a bit

[royal vortex]

smite is just so painfully fuckin boring

especially when thats all they do

[hushed knoll]

Who else was I going to net

[south folio]

i avoid playing to avoid assail degeneracy

[royal vortex]

like what are u even playing for

[coarse birch]

Lies

[south folio]

stan is the trapper confirmed

[hushed knoll]

Aren’t you soeitiebtoseociao

[spare dome]

they delude themselves into thinking it's a selfless act

[hushed knoll]

😏

[south folio]

HUH?

[nimble fiber]

ah nice, I couldn't bring myself to switch once I saw the world of the zealot

[coarse birch]

Holy

[hushed knoll]

Something special*

[spare dome]

and then they get very fukken snippy if you arent grateful

for their stupid fukken zappies

[royal vortex]

i employ the timeless strategy of complaining at the end and leaving before they can reply with something stupid

[south folio]

i'm sobbing i'm crying i'm literally shidding my pants

[hushed knoll]

I meant something special

[royal vortex]

if the smite psyker gets hit by a special i just leave them

u chose this fate

[solar gorge]

drop a slur and disconnects

an all time classic

[hushed knoll]

Wait what’s wrong with smite psyker

[royal vortex]

the other day i told a pub i had to shit really bad so we had to hurry

i did not have to shit

i wanted to motivate him

[vestal pine]

zealot is dead

[royal vortex]

i have no idea if it worked

[south folio]

i get my fun on psyker cuz i can just farm damage with assail and never need to worry about concepts like positioning

[hushed knoll]

What’s wrong with smite

[royal vortex]

it's boring

[solar gorge]

slows down the pace of the game

too much

[royal vortex]

it just stops enemies from doing anything until the smite psyker stops doing it

[south folio]

garbage design

[nimble fiber]

real, nah psyker kinda got to boring for me

[nimble fiber]

was it ogryns?

[royal vortex]

and there's this weird point at the skill bell curve where you're not good enough to win pubs consistently without it

[hushed knoll]

OMG YOUR BANNER IS THE BUCONG GUY

[royal vortex]

but you can turn the game off and win with it

and because these people aren't good enough to actually carry they'll oftentimes think you have to have smite to win

[nimble fiber]

u just realized stan, wow

[hushed knoll]

I wanted to see why you had grapes in your pfp

[royal vortex]

(bonus points if they specify auric maelstrom over regular auric as if muties/bursters/hound waves are meaningful difficulty instead of stupid bullshit)

[royal vortex]

it was a psyker

[nimble fiber]

its krill not grapes

[royal vortex]

the other 2 were people in my strike team

[spare dome]

its like flamer where the infinite cleave nature of it means it just scales up with difficulty

[south folio]

i'm glad your boys were around to support you

[spare dome]

but unlike flamer you aren't making any tradeoffs taking it

[vestal pine]

me when trauma

[royal vortex]

@coarse birch was not happy

[hushed knoll]

Huh? It’s leaves

[nimble fiber]

still

[spare dome]

and yeah i just hate the design

[hushed knoll]

Why would you say krill

[nimble fiber]

stan

[south folio]

krill issue

[nimble fiber]

are U really asking me that question rn?

[spare dome]

imagine LoL if one of ten players could just check a box that said ARAM mid-game and his response is "no dudes im helping you win this is easier"

[hushed knoll]

Yes

[solar gorge]

replace smite by the SoTT's staff ability from vt2

[south folio]

i can't imagine LoL so i automatically win

[nimble fiber]

because your phone was at fault stan

[hushed knoll]

What

[spare dome]

its tru you really have won

[hushed knoll]

I’m going to put krill in your toilet

[nimble fiber]

the poor krill

[south folio]

i'm being threatened in benign ways

call the police

[spare dome]

should i???

[nimble fiber]

yes

[hushed knoll]

Holy shit I would fuck with their so hard

Those

[nimble fiber]

what

[hushed knoll]

I would fuck with those so hard

[solar gorge]

no

[coarse birch]

It was so boring

[solar gorge]

that thing is the devil's work

[nimble fiber]

don't fuck the cereal pls

[ornate bone]

omg bestie that is sooooo me

[hushed knoll]

[royal vortex]

do not sex face in public

bad stan

[hushed knoll]

It’s not a sex face

[south folio]

cereal polygamy

[spare dome]

or???

[hushed knoll]

OH MY GOD

I NEED TO GOR THIST THE SIOERMAKET

[spare dome]

this continent is a joke

[hushed knoll]

I need to go to the supermarket

[nimble fiber]

they kinda taste like shit lol

[solar gorge]

you instantly gain diabetes if you eat but a single one of those

[spare dome]

meanwhile my strawberries are more expensive

than this box of chemical cinnamon slop

[hushed knoll]

Wait lambda didn’t you say you were German

[solar gorge]

I am

[hushed knoll]

You have to go to Switzerland and buy canned bread

[south folio]

i am waiting to see the relevance of this question

there we go

[hushed knoll]

Canned bread is so good

[ornate bone]

Send this to a foot fetishist

[hushed knoll]

Why are you telling him to run

[solar gorge]

i googled canned bread

[hushed knoll]

Is your mouth watertight

Watering*

[south folio]

top 10 threats

[hushed knoll]

[solar gorge]

I'm sorry but it looks like compact dried shit

[royal vortex]

WHAT

[hushed knoll]

[coarse birch]

Ayo

[hushed knoll]

I meant watering

This convo is making me clench

Wait that sounds weird

[solar gorge]

don't clench too hard

[nimble fiber]

pls ask yourself this question more often

[dark zealot]

Why is every chat today so down bad or cursed

[south folio]

stan.

[hushed knoll]

Why did you tell iambic to run

Lambda

[nimble fiber]

F

[solar gorge]

i got told to run

[nimble fiber]

no

[hushed knoll]

WTF I’m going to strand you on an island and then come back and eat cold cuts in front of you

Wait I meant @nimble fiber

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

Why did you tell him to run

[nimble fiber]

[hushed knoll]

HI PLUHHHHH

[south folio]

wh

[hushed knoll]

OMG ICE ILY

WOOOOI

[south folio]

well asraval deserves it

[nimble fiber]

wha

[hushed knoll]

No I meant you

[nimble fiber]

hah!

[hushed knoll]

I was asking Arabia something else

Sara Al

[nimble fiber]

bro

[south folio]

hah!

[hushed knoll]

Asraval

[nimble fiber]

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-12317631084823747336

[hushed knoll]

Why is this bf hairs goi my into his nose

[spare dome]

yea i couldnt do it

[hushed knoll]

What

[spare dome]

even with 40mg thc kicking in

i was like nah

[hushed knoll]

Why is that guy’s hair going into his nose*

[spare dome]

these cintoasties are too fake

[nimble fiber]

what

why would that be his hair

[south folio]

exploits using drugs to force himself to eat cereal

we live in a society

[solar gorge]

it's a tube to recycle his sweat or something

[hushed knoll]

What is it supposed to be

ES WHARF THE FUCK

WHAT THE FUCK

[nimble fiber]

[hushed knoll]

Actually that sounds kinda cool

Can I recycle sweat

[spare dome]

I'll stick to only the finest cereals. like froot loops

[frozen glen]

wat da hell

[south folio]

so troo

[hushed knoll]

Fruit loops are D tier

[south folio]

you're D tier

[hushed knoll]

Cinnamon Toast Crunch is S tier

[coarse birch]

Rude

[nimble fiber]

stan aka d tier

[solar gorge]

all cereals are Z tier

[hushed knoll]

Shut it ho

Omg reeces puffs cereal is so good

[spare dome]

french toast crunch is def stier

[solar gorge]

ok all cereals are dogshit except the goku thing

[frozen glen]

you're all victims of capitalism

eating sugar for breakfast

[spare dome]

yep

[royal vortex]

me and reeses puffs do not get along and thus i eat the flesh of fallen enemies for every meal

[hushed knoll]

Aren’t you from Malaysia

[spare dome]

the flesh of fallen angels

[frozen glen]

no stan

[solar gorge]

I eat pure energy every morning personally

[nimble fiber]

I once ate a reeses bar and it sucked

[coarse birch]

I havent had reeses puffs in Years

Like

[south folio]

lore is being rewritten as we speak

[coarse birch]

15

Years

[south folio]

hi redverse from malaysia

[spare dome]

i photosynthesize in the sun

[hushed knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-now-thats-what-i-call-yikes-yikes-gif-gif-23634669

[royal vortex]

i havent eaten cereal in like 2 years

[frozen glen]

im not from malaysia

that's mal

you know, the guy named mal for malaysia

[fast scroll]

I prefer uranium how about you?

[hushed knoll]

Are you from Indonesia

[frozen glen]

no stan

[royal vortex]

he's from thailand

trust

[hushed knoll]

WAIT THATS WHY????

[spare dome]

my mom never let us have the chocolate cereals growing up so as soon as i moved out and found some i bought a bunch of boxes and ate it

[south folio]

this has been explained to you before

[spare dome]

and frankly

[ornate bone]

By the way

[spare dome]

mom was right

[solar gorge]

I don't think you're allowed to eat cereals as soon as you reach 15

[nimble fiber]

nougat bits are fire tho

[ornate bone]

Is resistance to flamers still shit, or does it actually have an effect on their ticks now?

[hushed knoll]

Germans have the worst cereal

[spare dome]

wdym yall got muesli

[coarse birch]

Ok wrong

[spare dome]

love muesli

[coarse birch]

Cereal is good

[hushed knoll]

Thank god I was brought to America

[frozen glen]

muesli is good

[coarse birch]

Id get the sugar ones tho

[nimble fiber]

stan u smell like a old mango

[south folio]

cereal is corrupting our youth

[royal vortex]

how else would you run over pedestrians without even a slap on the wrist

[coarse birch]

Cause they are a bit more kid oriented

[ornate bone]

isn't muesli that guy that lives in the middle east

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

How do you know what I smell like

[serene geyser]

saw this build on the steam guide for using the crusher, as an alternative to the blazing piety build. Kind of confused by it, it has two nodes dedicated to backstabbing and runs momentum, which seems kind of worse than crit? Am I supposed to like stagger them and then try and get behind them?

[royal vortex]

i am going to sneeze

it is imminent

[coarse birch]

Prepare yourselves

Ted

Take cover

[royal vortex]

oh hi yeah that's my guide

[hushed knoll]

FRUITS YOU ON THE BACK

PATS

[nimble fiber]

rude

[south folio]

the backstab is prob taken just cuz they're going down the top-right branch

[royal vortex]

the backstab node is interchangeable with swift certainty

[spare dome]

lmfao

[hushed knoll]

THERE I FIXED IT

[south folio]

cuz second wind is just a really good toughness talent

[royal vortex]

backstabber is a prerequisite for second wind which is by far the best toughness regen talent

[serene geyser]

theres a backstab node by momentum too

[fast scroll]

Nuh uh

[solar gorge]

imagine someone slaps a wet pear on ur back

[hushed knoll]

that would feel good tbh

[nimble fiber]

or a full fruit basket

[serene geyser]

ok i see so throwing knives is the move

[hushed knoll]

I wanna go to turkey and have a barber go to town on my face and back

That sounds weird

I mean like a massage

[royal vortex]

blazing piety is okay but also not great on crusher, you're rocking 30% baseline crit chance if you're not getting scourge

[spare dome]

better?

[south folio]

better.

[royal vortex]

it also requires the most point investment since you need 2 upgrades + you're not taking punishment otherwise

so you have to start dropping other useful talents to get to it for a damage return that is lower than you'd expect

[south folio]

i too like to go to the barber for massages
there are no possible innuendos

[royal vortex]

since you get diminishing returns from both crit and weakspot vs just crit or just weakspot

[hushed knoll]

I miss @left iron

[serene geyser]

seems like id be mostly getting 3 stacks of momentum mid horde tho? but people say momentum is good and im not sure why?

ive never run it

[royal vortex]

the stacks on dodge node gives you a huge boost in consistency

without deliberately playing around it you can still hit full stacks fairly easily

[serene geyser]

ok i'll give it a whirl cause it seems like you wanna move a lot with this build and the knives are probs good because I wanna run the run and gun bolt pistol

[royal vortex]

nice

puncture applies to your knife if you throw it with boltpistol out btw

[hushed knoll]

Using a pineapple to scratch your back would be amazing

[serene geyser]

broooo

thats SICK

[south folio]

jortzus has been indoctrinated

[serene geyser]

i'll probs do run and gun puncture i dont intend to ADS

[nimble fiber]

or a cactus

[serene geyser]

oh im all in on the crusher that thing is so fun

[coarse birch]

Are you giving puncture propaganda

[royal vortex]

i remember when zealot chat fkin HATED tknives dude

[hushed knoll]

Cacti are good for sitting on

[serene geyser]

im already a puncture believer homie

[spare dome]

puncture on tknife hits zero new BPs but it is funny

[fast scroll]

Anyone else see the video comparing destiny to Warhammer?

[nimble fiber]

speaking from experience?

[south folio]

we had not been cooking yet

[hushed knoll]

[coarse birch]

They were weird for a bit

But that was long ago

[spare dome]

second wind used to have no internal cooldown

[royal vortex]

on release they had fucked up hitboxes

[spare dome]

we were feasting but we missed the buffet

[vast basin]

Man stopper tknives though

[royal vortex]

it also didn't work on scab shooters

(momentum also had such insane dodge buffs on release)

(i miss those days)

[serene geyser]

the good 🅱️istol blessings are: surgical, puncture, run and gun and if youre vet lethal proximity on weapons specialist is really fun IMO

[royal vortex]

deadly accurate weapon specialist boltpistol on vet is kinda cool

[spare dome]

i run puncture lethal nowadays

[serene geyser]

deadly accurate is a trap im convinced

[royal vortex]

deadshot still doesnt fix the fkin brain itch i get when i watch him turn the gun sideways

[spare dome]

cause you really do be hitting every breakpoint in tree

[serene geyser]

the more you make it a revolver the more it sucks

that's my stance on the 🅱️istol

[spare dome]

its a lot of fun

[royal vortex]

i just ignore the existence of certain weapons when comparatively evaluating

[spare dome]

i dont love my dude fondling the magazine every reload tho

[serene geyser]

lethal + run and gun on weapon specialist is SO sick

[royal vortex]

zarona/plasma etc basically just dont exist to me because im not going to use them if i want to have fun

[solar gorge]

the character needs to do a backflip or some shit everytime he reloads

[serene geyser]

zarona is fine but just like... i don't wanna snipe I wanna BLAM and sprint

[spare dome]

i also think its fucking boring and disingenuous to take new things and immediately try squaring them off against established concepts 1:1

[royal vortex]

yeah pretty much

[spare dome]

bistol does lots of neat shit revolver doesnt do

[serene geyser]

the 🅱️istol in my view is all about hipfiring to stagger while closing the distance so you can BONK

i got knives to snipe

[royal vortex]

i've gotten to the point where i almost entirely refuse to evalulate weapons in relation to any other existing one because im so sick of people thinking you have to use the "meta"

[spare dome]

if you suck at positioning and absolutely need eight cleave on your gun to reliably kill specialists then w/e man

[coarse birch]

Bolt pistol is fine but suppression can still eat my ass

[spare dome]

ill take the extra ammo, mag in and out, tiered reload, the THUMP, and the ranged bleed

[coarse birch]

Ill just take the thump ngl

[serene geyser]

suppression wack stagger is where it's at

[coarse birch]

Thats enough for me

[serene geyser]

knock em down

[modern lintel]

I think they shouldve done w the ironhelm cleave to the bolt pistol cleaves untill it hits a specialist or elite

[serene geyser]

again ymmv

[coarse birch]

Eh i think no cleave is fine

[royal vortex]

the boltpistol handling invokes within me a primal rage only calmed when im reminded how fun the gun is to shoot so long as you ignore the recoil

[serene geyser]

but thats why i like 🅱️istol

[fast scroll]

What weapon should I use with shroud?

[coarse birch]

Cleave on guns is p strong

[coarse birch]

Esp for a quick draw

[royal vortex]

feline

[south folio]

what no falloff does to a mf

[fast scroll]

Cat

[solar gorge]

cat sling

[coarse birch]

Cat

[nimble fiber]

bro is about to spit some deep words

[spare dome]

that too bolber has no real fall off

[royal vortex]

anything with decent mobility and finesse works well (most of zealot melees) just depends what u feel like

thammer for the boss nuking

knife if u want to embrace ur inner edgelord

[coarse birch]

Just dont take chain weapons really

[modern lintel]

Iv been trying to build an rashad but hadron has so far bricked 7 of them

[fast scroll]

Does it matter which hammer?

[spare dome]

wdym i spent all yesterday with a chaxe12 and bistol lul

[solar gorge]

crucis if you're a decent human being

[modern lintel]

Crucis

[solar gorge]

ironhelm if you're a freak

choose wisely

[spare dome]

ironhelm is strictly the better hammer

[royal vortex]

not really

[spare dome]

i hate to admit it

[solar gorge]

ok, freak

[spare dome]

with the pace of the gameplay crucis is an absolute brick to lug around with maybe a handful of moments to shine

but mostly youre gonna wind up big swings on crushers/reapers just to watch them get krak'd before you swing

it does not keep up at all

[royal vortex]

crucis was fun when killing individual ragers in one hit was an impressive feat

[spare dome]

yes

but what about the twentieth rager, onoki

[royal vortex]

because u were playing the same kind of slow game the enemies were

[solar gorge]

skill issue just run ahead of ur vet so he doesn't kill steal

[royal vortex]

and now there are 8 million of them

[spare dome]

https://tenor.com/view/madara-meteor-naruto-gif-14013281

[coarse birch]

Mutie one shots were cool too

[royal vortex]

i remember getting into arguments with ppl who said hitting a mutie/elite in a horde with crucis was impossible

[spare dome]

just turn

[coarse birch]

Even killing crushers well in melee

[spare dome]

i made beautiful art about this

[royal vortex]

do you guys remember the darktide trailer

or one of them

where the thammer always had a lightning effect

[solar gorge]

i remember when mutantts weren't made out of cardboard

[royal vortex]

but it was kinda tame

compared to the actual activation

i kinda want them to bring that back for crucis and make it electrocute enemies like the shock maul on normals

[fast scroll]

They have the best ragdolls

[solar gorge]

bring back raid boss mutant

[coarse birch]

Hes cooking

[royal vortex]

https://youtu.be/vurIKUayVwQ?t=35

timestamped

[spare dome]

yeah they had a very different game planned

[royal vortex]

there's quite a few changes where im like "this was so much better what the fuck happened to it"

[modern lintel]

Pykser also was planned to have heavy sword at some point in one of the gameplay reels

[royal vortex]

even jsut from a visuals perspective

[spare dome]

look at all the shit in the environment lmao

[coarse birch]

Id fuckin

[spare dome]

all the stuff to get snagged on while dodging

[coarse birch]

Love psyker hsword

[royal vortex]

the feel of the guns is so much different lmao

[solar gorge]

vet was also planned to have the duelling sword afaik

but you can't see that in trailers

[modern lintel]

Vet dueling sword would be serious business

[ember yew]

can i have IV for zilot?

[spare dome]

im not at all surprised the game came out incomplete

when you see the early promo stuff

at some point they had to 'find the fun' and cut a bunch of shit

[solar gorge]

they had to release it way too early sadly

[spare dome]

thats just how it is

Space Marine 2 is doing the same thing right now

[royal vortex]

they also had to find a fkin crafting system (and lost it)

[spare dome]

nah they never tried tbh

[royal vortex]

i really really really wish we got those lasguns without the awful optics mounted

[modern lintel]

They forgo it

[spare dome]

this system is so obviously lazy and a stopgap

because crafting isnt essential

[royal vortex]

yea

[solar gorge]

ironsight lasguns would've been peak

[ember yew]

i just hope Space Marine 2 is like 20% of World War Z and not 80%+

[spare dome]

i hope SM2 is good for the sake of the fans or whatever

[solar gorge]

SM2 isn't looking good imo

[spare dome]

unless you preorderes

in which case youre a fukken idiot

[solar gorge]

they even cancelled the beta test out of the blue

it will come out incomplete

[ember yew]

And the canceled beta is probably because there's some server/multiplayer issues

[solar gorge]

p safe bet

[ember yew]

i'l hold off purchase for a week or two

[royal vortex]

could you imagine the world where crafting rework comes before the archetype rework

that shit would be so aids

[ember yew]

after release

[coarse birch]

Man old dt isnt even that old and it feels Nostalgic despite being worse

[solar gorge]

a week or two, eh, overkill

[hushed knoll]

You can’t say that

[spare dome]

if reddit had their way itemization would have come before the auric board

[solar gorge]

just a few days should be enough

[ember yew]

well at least 3 days

[royal vortex]

[spare dome]

yup

[ember yew]

to see the compilation of problems

[spare dome]

fatshark despite everything isnt that dumb

[coarse birch]

Reddit would also make everything plasma gun

[solar gorge]

I expect dogshit optimization at the very least

[spare dome]

SM2 by all internal playtest accounts was not fun to play

[ember yew]

I want to check reddit after nerfs to fotf and crit cdr

[spare dome]

thats what they are attempting to fix

[coarse birch]

Dont

[spare dome]

it has spectacle but no oomph

[hushed knoll]

Sad cat with a knight helmet

[coarse birch]

Josho makes me i hate it

[solar gorge]

it's probably mindlessly easy

[royal vortex]

"if other things aren't being picked, maybe we need to buff the other stuff" says man who has spent 15 seconds pondering game balance

he will die on this hill

for all eternity

[spare dome]

"why arent these new guns exactly like the old guns??"

[royal vortex]

and spend 0 time beyond this thinking about the ramifications

[solar gorge]

"no nerfs only buffs, it's not pvp guys"

[frozen glen]

its pve game just buff everything bro

[coarse birch]

True

Why do i need to try

[spare dome]

rip helldivers

[royal vortex]

why has fatshark not released another round of powercrept bullshit

[solar gorge]

being torn apart by the casools

[coarse birch]

Not everything needs to be dark souls smh

[royal vortex]

hd2 is just so fkin boring dude

i cant even play it with friends because there's no challenge

[spare dome]

its so close to great for me

[hushed knoll]

WTF

[royal vortex]

the spectacle gets old after u make enough explosions

[spare dome]

like its so close

[hushed knoll]

Heresy Josho

[spare dome]

still fun. Very worth the buy. But it didn't last

[solar gorge]

it's a very good game imo, just not for 1k+ hours

[south folio]

no he's damnation

[royal vortex]

yeah

[hushed knoll]

That’s you

[south folio]

no that's him

he deserves to go to hell

[coarse birch]

Hd2 did not grab me

[royal vortex]

it was fun until i hit the point where i feel like every problem is solved in a very repetitive way with minimal punishment for making mistakes

[hushed knoll]

What the fuck

[coarse birch]

I played 25 hours and ive had no urge to return

I didnt feel much depth

[spare dome]

the game has been on a nonstop buff train for players and a nerf train for enemies and yet the prevailing sentiment and action is that it's still too hard

that shit was figured out in march

how slow are these troglodytes

[solar gorge]

i'll play hd2 consistently again when they add the third faction

[royal vortex]

and any time you see gameplay it's always the dumbest fucking decisionmaking impossible

[spare dome]

(Not Arrowhead)

god it really is sad

[royal vortex]

why are we balancing around people who don't understand that putting an object between you and gunfire stops the fucking gunfire?

[solar gorge]

because they're the majority

[royal vortex]

yes bots are too hard if you can't grasp object permanence

i don't think we can make videogames for 6 month olds however

[solar gorge]

game catered too hard to console players

[spare dome]

an enemy patrol! i see two points of cover in my vicinity with which to engage from ... but i think i will just shoot right now from the open, and then panic mash my strategems unsuccessfully under fire

[vestal pine]

idk new stuffvseems fun to play

only nerfs also dont work muchcas only buffs work on pve games

[royal vortex]

oh my GOD gunships are too hard (the clip starts after 6 gunships are already aggro'd on one dude with no prior context)

[solar gorge]

i've seen that one

[royal vortex]

u never ask about the content of the clip u ask about what the dude left out

it's always bad. always.

[vestal pine]

how much a gunship patrol has gunships?

i assume its not 6

[hushed knoll]

Josho you are a harsh critic

[spare dome]

my favourite was the dude standing on top of a butte with zero cover getting demolished by rocket devastators on even higher ground

"This is bullshit!"

[royal vortex]

most of the gunship bitching was before they added the patrols lol

[solar gorge]

yeah

[royal vortex]

i think the patrols for gunships are... 3?

[vestal pine]

a h

[solar gorge]

people would just let them spawn without doing anything

[vestal pine]

3 seems reasonable

[solar gorge]

i've seen up to 4

but mind you they die very easily

[royal vortex]

because these complaints get turned into echochambers where any dissenting opinion makes people get angry that you like dark souls for some reason

every. single. time.

[vestal pine]

dumping 6 straight on you is probably bad but gunships spawn from the fabricator in very long intervals so idk

[vestal pine]

it always does but i ageee on some nerfs

[spare dome]

my autocannom dont care

[vestal pine]

autocannon my beloved

was that ever nerfed

[spare dome]

nope

[royal vortex]

people also complain about arrowhead nerfing stuff when the buff to nerf ratio is something like 5:1 lmfao

[vestal pine]

pew pew

[spare dome]

autocannon is perfect

[solar gorge]

if you go to some places of discussion i shan't name and say that diff9 isn't hard you'll get dogpiled and called names

[spare dome]

there have been five nerfs

[vestal pine]

me when they nerf my crutch(i cant walk without it anymore)

[spare dome]

two were lateral

one was reverted

[frozen glen]

helldivers never been the same since it hit mainstream

bitching and moaning reddit

[spare dome]

only the original shield nerf stuck

[frozen glen]

reminds me of another video game reddit

[coarse birch]

I do agree ive seen an influx in people playing games that are at least meant to be hard and then complaining they are hard and they wish they could play without it being hard

[spare dome]

everything else has been buffs

[solar gorge]

didn't last long lmao

[royal vortex]

i adore people who want to go back to launch era balancing as if the complaints they have now werent much worse

[vestal pine]

is diff9 still 1 guy run around and do all objectives?

[solar gorge]

it blew up like 5 days after launch

[royal vortex]

laser cannon being balanced as "regular machine gun but you don't run out of ammo"

[south folio]

when is dark souls getting difficulty levels

[coarse birch]

So true

Good thing that doesn't essentially exist in ER

[royal vortex]

i like the charger behemonth stuff because it gives me a proper excuse for spear on bugs

[frozen glen]

the dark souls of elden ring

[royal vortex]

and you have to position yourself somewhat intelligently

[vestal pine]

idk helldivers rn is a casual ass game so buffs are bit justified

[royal vortex]

to kill it in one hit

[solar gorge]

chargers had become such a joke

[vestal pine]

and uh, breaker was overpowered regardless

[serene geyser]

What is going on in damnation. We either lose in the first 3 minutes or we win easy

[royal vortex]

i hated the patch where they nerfed the spawn rates AND made them easier to kill

why did u have to do both

[spare dome]

oh yea the breaker 'nerf'

[solar gorge]

yep, making them easier to kill was the right call between the two they just shouldn't have reduced spawn rates

[spare dome]

just less ammo in the mag

still TTKs and BTKs the same

[vestal pine]

relaly think they should have went with smaller but more ferocious elites instead of spawn more but less hard
but idk havent played modern helldivers

[royal vortex]

also more recoil but i have no idea what the difference was in practice

[vestal pine]

idk why people bitched about it thay much tbh

[spare dome]

it was just to dissuade holding the trigger

[royal vortex]

it was a bigger change on snp/incendiary because they lost 6 rounds instead of 3

[spare dome]

which is already a bad move

[royal vortex]

and then they buffed the fire dot a million times

[spare dome]

but people are baaaaayd

[royal vortex]

before fixing the bug

[solar gorge]

breaker incendiary is the new braindead hold m1 gun now anyway

[vestal pine]

not great

[solar gorge]

so the same issue that was old breaker is still here

but it's probably even stronger

[vestal pine]

helldivers becoming a power fantasy is fine tbh
even with all the power fantasy people still die a lot

[royal vortex]

a single breaker incendiary removing every shrieker in the game singlehandedly is p funny

[vestal pine]

but some seems way too much busted

[solar gorge]

yeah because the average player has like no fingers

[vestal pine]

incindenary is just breaker but worse rn

worse as in broken overpowred

not as in it sucks

[solar gorge]

i'v seen a guy spray like 6 hive guards for 1 second and they all died

[spare dome]

helldivers is not a power fantasy

[nimble fiber]

arco do a backflip pls

[spare dome]

its funny how people buy the universes own propaganda lmao

[vestal pine]

i mean its becoming that way regardless

[spare dome]

correct

[vestal pine]

idk i like the change overall

[spare dome]

there's easy fixes for that but that's up to arrowhead

[vestal pine]

but yea

[spare dome]

i hate it. The current game has none of the tension HD1 had

[north sedge]

The complaints will be insane whenever illuminates get added

[solar gorge]

anyway, can't wait for the illuminates, i hope they function as a big reality check for the redditors and makes them mad for a while

[royal vortex]

do not fix the spelling mistake

[dark zealot]

Helldivers was okay for like the first few weeks then went off the deep end

[vestal pine]

probably does

[spare dome]

you know the feeling of panic you get when you or anyone on your team gets hit by a net in DT? that doesnt exist in HD2

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-no-nope-nah-never-gif-16208499

[royal vortex]

no it was so much funnier imagining "the complaints will be INANE, dude" with like such emphasis

bro

u ruined it

smh

[spare dome]

and thats the tension thats missing, there's really no risk

you have 20 lives to finish the primary objects

thats a lot

[vestal pine]

whole shit feels like a cinematic experience rather than a game at times tbh, with the new powerfantasy its even more so

[spare dome]

hd1 could also end off a single mistake

[solar gorge]

we'll see if they add higher diffs than 9 and if it's not just spam more shit

[north sedge]

It's a good game that was never meant to be super in depth, but i do wish they'd bring back some of the difficulty

[spare dome]

bring that back as a new difficulty level

[royal vortex]

i had a short solo clutch on that smelter area with 3 stories where i had to jump down a floor into fire and bomber tox gas and i hesitated for a moment because i knew i was doing something dumb but the other option (staying up) was worse

in helldivers

[vestal pine]

its not if you run into every patrol(every idiot ever which is 90%)

[royal vortex]

u just jump into landmines for fun

[spare dome]

you can legit revive yourself

[royal vortex]

because if u have another teammate with a working brain u have to manually eat reinforcements to lose them

[spare dome]

and they automatically reinforce you anyway

[solar gorge]

using the random that just died as an orbital strike is funny tho

[spare dome]

if youre the last man and you have reinforcements that means literally nothing

[vestal pine]

my question is, how much people who play helldivers have a working brain

[dark zealot]

Only fun I had was rocking mines and watching people getting mad

[solar gorge]

not many

[spare dome]

in fsct dying is often the play

[vestal pine]

yeah then current way os fine

[solar gorge]

i mean ur supposed to die

it's part of the gameplay

that's why you have 20+ lives

[spare dome]

yes but you shouldnt be legit killing yourself for a free reposition

that isnt tense lmao

or interesting

[dark zealot]

The games not balanced well

[vestal pine]

people will go into the furbqll that they just summoned again just to spite stuff

[spare dome]

its like Darkwood

[vestal pine]

yeah this kinda sucks tbh

[dark zealot]

Sometimes your only option is to die and be the weapon

[solar gorge]

just remove the full restock upon death

[royal vortex]

the extra lives should probably feel like a necessity rather than a luxury

[spare dome]

most people played low diff Darkwood so they just let themselves die during the night sections and skip all the actual tension

[solar gorge]

that shit is stupid

if that wasn't in the game

dying would have some consequences

[spare dome]

bring back the hd1 system

if you all died, its over

[dark zealot]

It’s joever

[spare dome]

someone should have prepped that reinforce

[solar gorge]

i think it's not unlikely that we'll get real team wipes in a upcoming higher difficulties

[spare dome]

i fukken hope so

[solar gorge]

but again arrowhead is stuck sadly

[vestal pine]

idk, feels like trying to do "it used to do this and they should do this again" is mostly a moot point, since helldivers 2 have specifics that differ in hd1
the new difficulty i hope dont get tainted by crybabies though

[solar gorge]

they have to ignore the community and i don't think they have the balls to do so

[spare dome]

yes but its about introducing a lacking element, again, that tension

[vestal pine]

at max diff 7 should've been the casual max

[spare dome]

because yes hd1 was all on one shared screen space

and hd2 is not

[vestal pine]

its too majority to ignore for such a small team

[spare dome]

which is another reason it's easier and less tense

[vestal pine]

yeah

[dark zealot]

Didn’t they lower the difficulty where you get the highest research thingy

[spare dome]

but there are many ways to still make your mistakes hurt

[vestal pine]

i didnt play after that happened then, only heard that the incindenary got op cause they megabuffed fire dots

[spare dome]

because right now most of the steamers who are 'good' basically just fuck around on helldives and clear 95% of their rounds

and the majority of the playerbase plays 7 and thinks they're doing bad if they die three times and immediately alt tab to reddit for agreement

[dark zealot]

I stopped playing a while ago

[solar gorge]

remove the full restock upon death or nerf it to only giving you half (with no booster you just get a third) and add real team wipes if everyone dies at the same time

i fixed hd2 thx you

[dark zealot]

Arrowhead and pony are scum

[vestal pine]

it shouldve been like at max diff 7 that they can do that tbh

but idk

for some it still has the tention

and thats the current majority

[spare dome]

the tension is self inflicted lol

[vestal pine]

problem is only trying to achieve said shit for the majority is bad

[spare dome]

you have 20 lives, use them

[vestal pine]

which is currently happening

[vestal pine]

you forgot pub idiots who use 15 for a furball

[spare dome]

once you get over the simple hurdle of thinking your life matters (youre a gamer, it doesnt) it becomes exceptionally easy

[solar gorge]

i can't remember loosing a game, like in forever

[dark zealot]

Remember when one of the missions was basically unplayable

[vestal pine]

it does, but i dont think any helldivers rn has the capacity to think

[spare dome]

like people try to preserve their lives on assault maps (the kill X# of enemies missions) and i dont get it

[patent elk]

blazing piety vs inexorable judgement for crusher?

[vestal pine]

its for the funnies

[dark zealot]

Unless you used one sweaty meta loadout and gamer the AI in a pre-made group?

[spare dome]

what. The scientist rescue?

[vestal pine]

and i dont think thats bad

[dark zealot]

Yeah

[vestal pine]

they really should bring back the tension though

[spare dome]

they really werent that hard, people are intensely inflexible though

[vestal pine]

idk cut the reinforce by like 40% that'll get the idiots sweating again

[royal vortex]

all orbital bombardments, all the time

[spare dome]

same reason they hated -1 strategem so much

[vestal pine]

i hated it but still played anyways

[dark zealot]

At its peak it was literally unplayable

[vestal pine]

not sure if i can say the same for the fire tornado

[dark zealot]

You had to cheese the ai to make it doable

[north sedge]

Bot defense rescue was psychotic originally, bug was easy

[vestal pine]

cause it started to burn my retina

[dark zealot]

Remember random stratagems?

You call in your gear at the start and accidentally 380 your whole squad?

[spare dome]

my favourite modifier

[north sedge]

I think scrambles should be part of the emp weather effect

[vestal pine]

random stratagems were ass cause it didnt explain shit
after i learned how it works it was piss easy to reroll

[spare dome]

you just take orbital precision and always punch it in

but i guess asking people to look before throwing is too much

[vestal pine]

tbh i think it should just randomize the actual code

[spare dome]

no that's far worse

[vestal pine]

not randomize the result

[solar gorge]

no thinking in bideo game

[vestal pine]

i know

[spare dome]

wait til we get illuminates lol

[royal vortex]

my wish was that it'd just not do it as often so that when it did happen you were more likely to get caught off guard

[dark zealot]

I mean I don’t care, I want the team to suffer

[royal vortex]

but you wouldnt end up punching a fucking code in 15 times before you get the thing you want

[surreal shore]

did they nerf crusher????

[royal vortex]

that drove me nuts

[dark zealot]

Why else would you use the 380 or mines

[solar gorge]

i truly can't wait for the illuminates just to the see the reactions

[surreal shore]

or am i tripping?

[vestal pine]

rng is bad, shouldve been like you punch in code gets randomized so you have to press the shit the game tells you to instead muslememory

[north sedge]

Slight attack speed adjustments, that's it