zealot-class

[misty nova]

Hmmm, perfect strike receiving crit chance might have made it a dream with shred, might test later

[sterile stone]

Lemme post my godly mace real fast

[unique elbow]

the search continues

https://tenor.com/view/littlest-hobo-hobo-dog-gun-gif-13077612

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752156106071081021/1256781933883686953/m2-res_640p.mp4?ex=668204e2&is=6680b362&hm=9b94bf9e82d33924de0a7afe89b078ce113092291b593b6d0802c3df1eddad22&

[sterile stone]

Behold

[unique elbow]

was the palatine enforcer kit for the zealot any good?

[sterile stone]

They look nice on all archetypes

Got that nice armored look with a clean uniform

[modern lintel]

Zealot even decided to tie a book to their helmet

[ripe quest]

[median steeple]

Yeah it's pretty good

Fucking expensive tho

[modern lintel]

Id do flak instead of maniac

[unique elbow]

zealot looks like a wad once again

[sterile stone]

Really?

I figured I could kill a flak rager in 3 light swings

[modern lintel]

Id say it literally just looks like the vet set plus a book on the head

[sterile stone]

Wasn't too mandatory

[spare talon]

yeah but flak also applies to most other elites
half of the bruisers too

[unique elbow]

there are a lot of good skinks in this pack tho. Ogryn riot shield. Shotgun. Axe.

[vestal pine]

ah yes i got hit twice, time to die

[unique elbow]

Grenade gaunlet

[sterile stone]

The ogryn riot shield, bolt pistol, and mace skins are absolutely god tier

[sterile stone]

Fair enough

[unique elbow]

bolt pistol too yeah

god

It's time

Fartshart got me.

I'm gonna whaaaaaaale

[sterile stone]

Anything else I can change on my shock maul or am I set?

[steep steppe]

BURH

[shy badge]

Praise His light I cannot wait for the vile tech priest to destroy it

[topaz citrus]

chain axe skill tree anyone?

[obsidian prairie]

Quickplay knife

[delicate shadow]

the game really needs a functional wiki or something in-game to tell people this is a bad idea

[modern lintel]

Its a sink or swim world

[spare talon]

5 points to put where you please
this is the bones for it

[spare talon]

what
the knife?

[delicate shadow]

yea

[spare talon]

why did you manually put crit damage on it

who hurt you

[obsidian prairie]

not mine

[delicate shadow]

like something that lets people know the math for crit damage is dogshit and rending has a limit

[spare talon]

oh i see it now

[modern lintel]

The renderater

[spare talon]

wdym
i ignore 200% of armor

thats good

[delicate shadow]

crit chance being a bad perk is something you can't really tell someone about because that one is just a result of literally not thinking about it at all

so a wiki wouldn't help there

but it would for the other shit

also tbh perk balance is scuffed af and needs adjusting but that's a separate-ish issue

[spare talon]

5% crit chance is literally only a difference in 1 in 20 swings
literally only 1 in 20 vs 25% ensured damage against a major armor type

[delicate shadow]

yee exactly, a result of just zero thought into it

[spare talon]

its not bad because of what it provides, crit is good
its bad because of how little it offers in comparison to what the competition is for the slot

[delicate shadow]

only reason to put crit chance perk on is because neuron activated and there was no deeper thinking involved

[spare talon]

which is something people dont really think about in most things here

almost every aspect of build crafting, talents, blessings, perks is always a competition

by taking this thing, you are sacrificing this other thing

like both are good
but one is just fucking out of this world better

[minor sage]

ye i mean

25% flak

is just way too disgusting

[delicate shadow]

the damage perks probably just shouldn't exist tbh

[minor sage]

i think it's fine for them to exist

[modern lintel]

Dont give them ideas

[minor sage]

they just shouldn't go up to 25% lol

[south folio]

i like how you have taken such an extreme position that you're saying that you're getting oneshot by ranged enemies

[minor sage]

also if you just slide

ranged enemies literally stop doing damage

[south folio]

if only zealot had an insane toughness regen talent that happens to work quite good against shooters/stalkers

if only he had a 50% toughness tdr talent

[minor sage]

it does feel like there's a very big skill differential between the player-base now though

[south folio]

if only if only

players just need to split their dodge/jump keybinds and call it a day

[minor sage]

I think there's prob too many difficulties

up til auric histgs

[spare talon]

sliding reduces all damage, but like
constant sliding against multiple shooters is still going to get you nicked here and there

and you also cant spend the entire game just fucking sliding too

[south folio]

though it helps quite a lot

[spare talon]

unless youre a knife zealot but thats its own thing

[south folio]

since you can just spam it while sprinting and you don't even need twbs for it anymore (as long as you have toughness)

[sterile stone]

You talkin bout nerfing my mace?

[south folio]

or abusing the camera angle while sprinting

[sterile stone]

Thems fighting words.

[spare talon]

plus gunners and reapers are more accurate now so they will nick you more often, and neither proc any dodge talent, including second wind

[obsidian prairie]

I realized I had the +50% toughness from melee kills node on and swapped it for the +15% toughness on dodge node and immediately saw it working while getting shot by some shooters while dealing with a horde

[south folio]

though gunners remain the same and reapers are just faster

[obsidian prairie]

License to print toughness

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-no-nope-nah-never-gif-16208499

[south folio]

so you can just mitigate damage against the ranged enemies that were buffed pretty easily

[delicate shadow]

no no not nerfing mace

well maybe your one, but only yours, specific to your account

everyone else gets buffs

[spare talon]

damage finesse and pen
0%

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/roman-reigns-mad-seething-fuming-angry-gif-22863520

[spare talon]

fuck you

[sterile stone]

I wanna use the mace more but I hate that overhead heavy

[south folio]

peak gaslighting hours so people have 10 hour arguments over how a weapon performs because they're actually different from player to player

delightfully devilish

[vestal pine]

that was from onedown in old payday days

225 damage on a 240 hp heister

[obsidian prairie]

That difficulty would have been semi realistic if you weren’t being chased by 50 seal team 6 tier police officers

[delicate shadow]

I've beaten like half of pd2's maps on DSOD

the other half I either don't own or they're fucking horrid to play

[ionic spear]

these last 3 levels are such a pain

[delicate shadow]

...or they're stealth, stealth is not my jam I wanna go blammy

[ionic spear]

im dying on the inside

[proper gyro]

I like both

My favorite build recently has been heavy sword

[delicate shadow]

do enjoy a bit of hsword

[vestal pine]

same goes for darktide rn with 20 crushers up yoru ass at all times lol

but its more managable at the very least

they dont shoot hitscan deathbeam at you every second

[obsidian prairie]

Hsword light spam can pretty easily reach 60% crit

(I use hsword 6 or something)

Nevermind I use 7

[spare talon]

OCCUPATION
DOG

FUCKING HELL

[ornate bone]

use 9 trust me sis

[obsidian prairie]

I have a 9 and dislike the moveset

[delicate shadow]

I use the 6

[ornate bone]

interesting

qhat about it specifically dont u like

[delicate shadow]

but that's mostly because I haven't rolled a good 7

dclaw 7 and hsword 7 are both things I need to get into, I just can't be assed crafting them

[obsidian prairie]

Single target combo

[ornate bone]

special>heavy 1?

[obsidian prairie]

Or heavy 1 block cancel

I could give it another try

[ornate bone]

what does 7 do better

[obsidian prairie]

Tomorrow though

[ornate bone]

in that regard

i forget

[obsidian prairie]

Heavy spam

[ornate bone]

mmm ok

[obsidian prairie]

In exchange for a heavy light loop or light spam for clear as opposed to heavy spam

[ornate bone]

i use lights, heavies or a mix depending on what i feel like, enemy density or if i need my ult back quickly

and special>heavy 1 is serviceable single target/armour damage

[obsidian prairie]

I use light spam for poxers and heavy light for mixed (mk7)

I miss fotf for flattening crushers with laspistol

[ornate bone]

i never used fotf for guns

its for rushing down ranged enemies or taking myself off 0 toughness usually

[obsidian prairie]

Luckily laspistol still has an ok unyielding modifier so I can fotf and use the fire rate to dump on bosses with infernus

[visual stream]

I just got one shotted from full toughness and health by a crusher side swing

Am I missing something or are they not supposed to be so so much weaker than the overheads

[hushed agate]

Side attacks are dangerous but no where near enough to one tap you from full health and toughness. Let alone a zealot at full health and toughness

[spare talon]

yeah that lol

[visual stream]

Yeah like you're still getting hit by a big piece of rebar the size of you but I think I just missed something

On vet so iron will too

[jagged ice]

what do y'all prefer and why - new bolter or zarona?

[ornate bone]

zarona

almost everything that bolt pistol does, zarona does better

[crisp furnace]

Yeah, by far

Even the agri is better

[misty nova]

Zarona, quick draw, cleave, damage
I like throwing myself at hordes but can't stay there with Trappers around

[jagged ice]

isn't the damage higher in the bolter?

[crisp furnace]

No

[misty nova]

If I had the bolt pistol, I would simply play differently

[misty nova]

Zarona has access to Hand Cannon, 60% rending is too good

[hushed agate]

Atm zarona. I dont really care about which one is better typically but zarona is just so much better

I like bolt pistol alot though goes hard with weapon specialist

[ornate bone]

things zarona does better
-better cleave
-better accuracy
-better damage
-better carapace damage
-draws faster

things bolt pistol does better
-bigger mag and faster reload

or something like that

[obsidian prairie]

Better suppression

[hushed agate]

Cant wait for zarona to be nerfed into the ground and watch half of the vet mains throw a hissy fit🙏

[obsidian prairie]

And I think that’s it for bolt pistol

[visual stream]

guys

[ornate bone]

hey im a zealot main and i will be quite upset

[obsidian prairie]

Oh also more ammo right

[visual stream]

Half the zealot players too tbh

[median steeple]

the cultist design for space marine 2 is great

[obsidian prairie]

I don’t use zarona on vet so I’ll live

[hushed agate]

Vet mains seem to have much worse tempers in my experience

[obsidian prairie]

Might actually role an agripinna for memes

My Zealot doesn’t care because knives

[misty nova]

Bolt Pistol is good anti ranged, oh hey Bolter gun how's the ammo buff

[crisp furnace]

Hi

[obsidian prairie]

I ❤️ throwing knives

[crisp furnace]

That’s me

[ornate bone]

yeah im pretty chill, like i can understand when things are OP and need nerfing, fotf and crit cdr was a fair nerf, im upset about it, but it was fair, if zarona gets nerfed a bit i think thats also very fai

[ornate bone]

same :3

[visual stream]

LMFAO

[delicate shadow]

tknife gang

[visual stream]

Creative fit

[obsidian prairie]

I push dogs to throw knives instead of stabbing them

[ornate bone]

hitting snipers 40 meters away with knife is so funni

[obsidian prairie]

It’s really easy because body oneshot

Also shit like inheriting uncanny

Used that with my knife build the other day to decimate some maulers

[spare talon]

i have taken cough medicine and have constantly been drinking water
and yet i have basically not stopped coughing for 2 hours straight

im going to explode

[obsidian prairie]

Tea

Big honey

[crisp furnace]

Tknife is the best pick and the best pathing

[royal vortex]

ur actually just going to cough

[spare talon]

same thing

[spare talon]

true

[ornate bone]

True

Honeslt tknife is essentional in histg pubs

[misty nova]

You usually cough air, but who am I to judge

[obsidian prairie]

It’s really just “would you like the best crit talents or second wind and extra toughness from melee kills”

You can’t lose

[hushed agate]

This is still my favorite screenshot ever

[rustic steppe]

Which shock maul is preferred?

If anyone has a preference.

[misty nova]

I've seen a lot of Indignatus
I played a lot of Agni though

Think they are using High Voltage Skullcrusher

On the indi

Yeah?

[spare talon]

HV SC/LR

thats heiroglyphics if you dont know what i mean by those lmao

[patent patrol]

I need an adult

lmao wtf is this name tho

fr.

[ripe quest]

Weak.

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[ripe quest]

Shockmaul ᴴⱽ.ˢᶜ/ᴸᴿ

[spare talon]

oh true

[ripe quest]

Make that shit look like the display of a 90's radio

[spare talon]

you gotta abreviate shockmaul to skml

to make it look absolutely indecipherable

[slate void]

YOU'RE LISTENING TO
SKM HV-SC/LR 370
THE WHACKSTICK

[spare talon]

plays buddy holly

[ripe quest]

Yeah I run the ₐ.ₛₖₘ ₊𝒻.ₘ ₕᵥ.ₛ𝒸/ₜ

[native chasm]

any of you fine zealots experiencing attack swing reset when you use fury of the faithful since the patch dropped?

its been messing with my hammer time

[hushed agate]

I run evis fotf and i haven't seen any issues

[median steeple]

what the fuck is this spell

[hushed agate]

Fireball

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-ra-curse-of-ra-gif-10622361558915339590

[slate void]

Ass Taser

[spare talon]

its a new issue with the patch
you arent alone

[native chasm]

time to play with the pickaxe for a bit i guess

[ornate bone]

is this on all weapons or some

[vestal pine]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-minos-prime-minos-v1-gif-2894075759939919595

idk why but that random quick swing is more dangerous than a actual overhead coming at you

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/indie-game-meme-quarter-ultrakill-gif-26112589

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-minos-prime-minos-v1-gif-2894075759939919595

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-minos-minos-prime-thy-end-is-now-punch-gif-16630674477332190433

[jagged ice]

i don't understand, the new bolter says it has higher damage here, compared to the zarona

[vestal pine]

still have zero context on this tbh

[vestal pine]

press E to show attack breakdown

and see the uh

weakpoint damage

and compare those two

[jagged ice]

ohhh the weakpoint, ok

[south folio]

ultrakill has a boss who bodies you with his body and one of his lines is thy end is now

[jagged ice]

so 1019 for zarona and 834 for new bolter, just looking at the highest weakpoint numebrs

[south folio]

oh and he throws out certain voicelines when doing certain moves, where "thy end is now" indicates a move that i don't know because i've never fought him and only know his existence through memes

[ornate bone]

Reddit giving me brainrot again

I said I used VoC with the revive, got downvoted and some dude won't get off my dick about not using it because apparently the most overpowered skill in the game still needs to be spammed

What the fuck are people doing in auric that they need a 30s VoC with tactical awareness glued on top?

[vestal pine]

oh you meant the minos

i meant the

national geographic animation

[ornate bone]

I should go do an auric with knife vet and infiltrate to prove a point

[vestal pine]

of a body punching another body and the body being stripped in pieces

[hushed agate]

No idea buddy

Its funny though

[ornate bone]

why r u on reddit

I was posting a funny meme in another sub thingy

[vestal pine]

well

heard there was a talk in the beta where they nerf VoC base down to 45sec

[hushed agate]

Id rather die than use twitter so reddit it is

[vestal pine]

apprantly it didnt got pass sicne it'd kill vets

idk if its true

[ornate bone]

Honestly, I think it could use a nerf

[vestal pine]

honestly, vet needs a nerf

[ornate bone]

I'm surprised they batted chastise, but not VoC

[vestal pine]

im still sad that they batted chatty and iod

[ornate bone]

"Hey, let's give the special killer class a cooldown reduction of 6s per special in a game where the highest difficulty has infinite special spawns so it can keep using the AoE stun team heal"

[ornate bone]

i just them for art

And then some random has the absolute nerve to say VoC should only be played with the 30s cooldown, as if 15s was a gamechanger and the game was unplayable otherwise

Like fuck off, I do infiltrate knife for fun and people still have a lot of fun in auric without a vet making them immortal

Actually I'm salty now, just remove VoC from the game

Make it the Shaggypyre crit shout instead

Healing is for nerds

Fuck healing, play better

[maiden path]

dont trust any steam accounts with more then 25 levels

[ornate bone]

GAZOINKS KROOBS, LIKE, WE GOTTA FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED AT HOGGAR'S BRIDGE, MAN

[vestal pine]

tbh

ill be real

voc does feel bad with 45 second

but like

thats how it supposed to be

[vestal pine]

im assuming yours lvl 101

[vestal pine]

i wonder when theyll buff Chorus

liek i know its not designed to be spammed

but good god its buffs being worse than VoC is something

[ornate bone]

i hate using it but love it when my teammates use it

[vestal pine]

its called being a d-

all jokes aside its decent

but yknow

still have zero idea

why VoC gold lasts longer

than

Chorus gold

[ornate bone]

I will not apologize

[hushed agate]

Don't this is peak

[ornate bone]

sigmar balls

[spare talon]

i used to do really fucking stupid stuff with infiltrate before i moved to zealot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1161809155162640445/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.10.11_-_18.18.04.14_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6681eb97&is=66809a17&hm=f290579d8c9ad8cd45a5ad8074707f628800cfe2ac9962faa4ff0018cbe6484c&

[ornate bone]

I am physically incapable of playing infiltrate without the second charge

And for some reason I always have one available when I need it

[spare talon]

no one was moving cuz of the wall of snipers so i just said ok fine ill do it myself

[fleet zealot]

Infiltrate is so stupid lol

Love it

Saved me from this trash shooter meta

[spare talon]

this video was like days after the trees were added

so no keystones

[hushed agate]

Only correct way to use it

[ornate bone]

See, that moment where you shit your pants is the exact time I'd use the second charge

[spare talon]

ok so you knew i shit my pants there

cuz i did

[ornate bone]

I mean, like

I play infiltrate exactly like that

[ornate bone]

It's like seeing the face of horror in a man and knowing they saw what you saw

[fleet zealot]

Criminal apprehended

[spare talon]

second half of the video was "yknow maybe this wasnt the best idea at 1 wound"

[ornate bone]

When you shit your pants, I saw my reflection in the mirror

[spare talon]

until the last kill and that instantly stopped and resumed to "man im so good at this game"

[south folio]

we're so back

[spare talon]

i also love the voiceline that plays
after the sniper shot rings out theres near silence
then the low health voice line plays
then gameplay resumes

[ornate bone]

It was poetic

They gave you a second of complete silence after eating idfk like 3 sniper shots at once

[spare talon]

its why i still remember that video
despite it not being that all that impressive in retrospect

[ornate bone]

It's like when you grab a hot pan and the pain takes a second to register

[spare talon]

anyway
iron will
goated as fuck

[ornate bone]

You see

[fleet zealot]

Speaking of sniper shots both DMs of the campaigns i am in are fucking evil

[ornate bone]

I actually stopped using iron will on principle

We are not the same

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-better-call-saul-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-fring-gif-26495658

[spare talon]

if there is extremely good dr in the game
i WILL use it

you cannot stop me

[fleet zealot]

Morning campaign, angel lasered out my heart. Night campaign, shot 2 feet of my tail off and a lucky wounding shot to the chest

[ornate bone]

Though in your defense, you didn't have the massive fucking mobility of knife

You just went into a flak crowd with a weapon notorious for shit flak damage and went

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-3538915087395488798

[maiden path]

is 300k damage good for hunter marksman with nighthawk

[maiden path]

when I use my marksman

[ornate bone]

You needed all the help you could get on that one

[fleet zealot]

My 17ft long naga gal is now 15 ft long i will never recover

[maiden path]

(weinor size0

)

[ornate bone]

rooster measurement

[spare talon]

Yeah since that was right when the update dropped
I was spending most of that day waiting at college for the lab in the evening
So on geforce now I had all the time in the world to just fuck around with things
Heard dclaw got juiced
Made one on vet
Never took it off, that shit hit even then

[maiden path]

erm byh rooster he means dingledong! 🤓☝️

[ornate bone]

THE COCKLEDOO

[spare talon]

So I was still new to the weapon, and not using it optimally

THE JOKE IS PENIS

[ornate bone]

Slaughterer dclaw when

UNCANNY

dclaw when

[spare talon]

Too powerful

However if it gets put on dclaw

[maiden path]

nuh uh.

[spare talon]

I will never say anything bad about uncanny again and talk about how balanced it is

[polar nexus]

of all the new weapons the one is like the most is surprisingly the boltgun

[maiden path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027050697390293062/1070023853369213038/caption-6.gif

[polar nexus]

and not the streaming darlings

[maiden path]

gave xur a pass of da blunt.. even that shit had a celestial being coughing!

[spare talon]

You can increase it by being radiant when you cast it
As it gives a huge boost to it

[ember yew]

Uncanny dclaw would motivate me to use it

or just buff dclaw non-crit flak damage a bit, since dclaw damage on flak outside of crit is beyond terrible

[polar nexus]

on vet you can get some rending and brittleness

[spare talon]

That's it
That's why dclaw has felt much worse since the invocation nerf

I never actually was thinking about it cuz I knew it had to be more than "noooo my toughnessss noooooo"

It's the fact that I constantly used chastise to enhance parries against armor

And now I do that at the cost of a potential toughness regen in the moment to moment

[ember yew]

welp, usually you pair nerfs with the buffs to offset, but FS just decided to drop a strong nerfbat and call it a day

see you in 3 months they said

[spare talon]

Nono they dropped buffs

[spare talon]

Shooters now fire more accurately and faster

That's a buff

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-suffer-gif-23519953

[fleet zealot]

New weapons is a buff /qj

[ember yew]

• Punishment nerf to make Smauls and other high stagger weapons weaker
• Chastice crit CDR nerf
• Chastice armor downgrade nerf
• offside nerf to Brutal Momentum (not that important, but multiple bulwark kills indeed happened from time to time)

what else

[fleet zealot]

I disagree with the 1st and 4th one

Half disagree the first

[spare talon]

You can't properly play the game when you're dashing
Does that count

[fleet zealot]

High stagger weapons already staggered everything and didn’t need punishment, meanwhile thinks like hsword and chaxe4 hit stagger bps on ragers and even maulers

[ember yew]

what's hard about the 4 one though, i did kill multiple ogryns from time to time with BM, so it's definitely a thing

[spare talon]

But like I've said
In its current state it doesn't do anything useful

[ember yew]

so they directly nerfed that one as they said themselves

[fleet zealot]

And 4th zealot has never been the 4 crushers in a row abuser, it targets ogryns

[ember yew]

but its not crushers

its bulwarks

[fleet zealot]

Sure in a blue moon you can get maybe 2 ogryns

[ember yew]

and very rarely reapers (they rarely stack)

[fleet zealot]

Sorry ogryn enemy and ogryn reject confusing

[spare talon]

Yeah that's what he's saying
Barely a nerf since it's really rare
But it could happen

Now it cant

[vestal pine]

oh i have done the 4th one

killed 3 bullwarks

the buffed 4800 hp one

it was

[ember yew]

it was a funny little thing

[vestal pine]

awesome

[ember yew]

they took it from me

[fleet zealot]

Yes but zealots BM primary use has always been ragers/ranged elites then down from there

[spare talon]

And it's all the shovels fault

[fleet zealot]

Also i have no idea

How you’d get 4 bulwarks not because i dont think you technically cant

[ember yew]

i made the usage for Shovel V on ogryn for penances for at least a full week!

[vestal pine]

BM nerf was specificallly targetted towards the shovel

[fleet zealot]

Im just

Bow did you not hit a shield

[vestal pine]

3* and they were dropping from the ceiling

[ember yew]

shovel was silly and fun

[fleet zealot]

Or the carapace shoulder

[vestal pine]

hit one with fotf full charge on the head

killed 3

i wish iclupped that

but cant anymore cause of nerf

[ember yew]

wait they buffed

tactical axe

7

[vestal pine]

ye

[ember yew]

i forgot

[vestal pine]

its good now

[ember yew]

i've been using IV

maybe will give 7 a swing

[vestal pine]

technically tacaxe is for all classes so i dont put it in zealot got nerf

but 7 actually hits stuff now

the light 2 actually hits stuff

[ember yew]

thy got rid of that insanely stupid whiff

on last swing or before that

[vestal pine]

yea

it was

extremely disjointed or something

but now it actually hits

[ember yew]

IV is solid and II is a bit worse version of that (more verticals arent needed)

[vestal pine]

does the chatty change actually benefit any of the zealot's kit

cause i dont remember anything that does it

[ember yew]

a direct nerf that only takes away something from you isnt beneficial at all in any case, it is what it is

[vestal pine]

caxes got scuffed cause now they cant 2shot crushers with 1 fotf
hearing some ironhelm dont deal enough damage compared to before

no not the ranged part

the

melee part

since it was changed to rending instead of armor down

[ember yew]

im not sure if it was changed at all

[vestal pine]

it was

[fleet zealot]

Crushers were made slower except for a few moves

[ember yew]

but since its only 1 swing

its wont change much

if they changed it to like

[spare talon]

They were mande like .01 seconds slower

[vestal pine]

well except

[ember yew]

next 3 swings will have armor downgrade effect

[vestal pine]

for the funny PA

[ember yew]

would be better

[fleet zealot]

But i like the change

[ember yew]

also why did they nerf crusher

[fleet zealot]

Encourages crusher to go momentum or martyrdom

[vestal pine]

rashad heavys used to 2shot with fotf on a crusher p sure

but now it cant

[ember yew]

they already double nerfed crusher it by making enemis harder to stagger

[vestal pine]

requires 4shot

[fleet zealot]

Why did the nerf the S tier best allrounder in the game that only needed one blessing

[drifting wolf]

how they nerf it

[vestal pine]

tbh crusher is slept on

[ember yew]

isnt best all arounder rashad though

[vestal pine]

i think the nerf is justified

[crisp furnace]

The best all rounder is the rachad

That’s getting nerfed

[vestal pine]

which wasnt nerfed aside from chatti

[fleet zealot]

The stagger nerfs only in my experience effected crusher ogryns not getting staggered on first activated l1

Which is fair

[maiden path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W6Ygt78KR0

[spare talon]

Idk any normal person who went piety with crusher
Nor would ANYONE want to now with crit cdr being per swing plus the slight atk speed drop

[fleet zealot]

Rashad can’t do sweeps into armor

Crusher can

Rashad is one the best weapons we have

[crisp furnace]

Overhead, done right, could kill two crushers

[vestal pine]

crusher has bad cleave to actually cleave more than 3 armor p sure, hm

[ember yew]

well, they are gonna introduce new blessings for weapons after crafting update, so maybe they are cooking something

[fleet zealot]

But crusher is a true, if you know what swings to use, can handle anything it is way more flexible than even rashad

[spare talon]

It was the special attacks that had good cleave

But for piety you'd just be spamming specials the entire time instead of killing things

[fleet zealot]

If crusher (weapon) gets a 2nd damage blessing it’s over

Anyways, stagger nerfs hit low-medium stagger weapons harder than high stagger weapons

[spare talon]

It gets slaughterer

[ember yew]

Headtaker/Slaughtere

[spare talon]

NI

[ember yew]

damn i was slow

[spare talon]

PRECOG CRUSHER

[fleet zealot]

Idk thrust

[ember yew]

uncanny precog crusher

[fleet zealot]

Activated H1

[crisp furnace]

@vestal pine are you still mad about the reasonable (and not far enough) zealots nerf

[fleet zealot]

Uncanny oh dear no

[vestal pine]

obviously

its not reasonable

[spare talon]

Hey guys check out my knife
holds a school bus

[vestal pine]

because it cannot be isolated in its own right

if it was, and is isolated, it might get some pass

(not the cdr nerf n stuff, but some are fine)

[crisp furnace]

It’s right off a massive ogryn nerf

[fleet zealot]

Ok at this point zealot should stop being nerfed besides maybe a small number to martyrdom cause it’s numbers are ridic

[vestal pine]

oh yes i also hate the ogryn nerf part

[fleet zealot]

Ogryn got pickaxes and a lot of their talents bugfixed to work better

[crisp furnace]

Martydom needs a nerf while book needs a cut to its cooldown

[fleet zealot]

They nerfed the shovel interaction which imo was on par with ranged fotf in terms a bs

[fleet zealot]

Nearly everyone runs cdr with book so i say no buffs to book until they trash cdr more

[crisp furnace]

I hope it’s trashed more

I still think knife crit reduction should go

[vestal pine]

ah yes

voc

but worse

[crisp furnace]

/taxe

Fix speedrunning with one minor change

[vestal pine]

none of the nerfs to zealot is justified rn

nor ogryn

[ember yew]

they can make it pulsating without you holding it

so you can do things

[vestal pine]

not when other measures already exist for other classes that perform better

[ember yew]

basically same sht as voc, but this ability definitely need a buff or change

[vestal pine]

yeah that would be nice

[crisp furnace]

You are wrong

[vestal pine]

tell me dorn

[crisp furnace]

All of the ogryn and zealot mains agreed that the nerfs were needed

[vestal pine]

what is chorus better than voc

[crisp furnace]

If you think vet and psyker aren’t getting the same treatment, you would be wrong

[vestal pine]

you would be right

[ember yew]

push bosses of the map if the said map allows it but that's it, more CC is 90% of the time is wasted if your team is stupid

[vestal pine]

but are they nerfed

right now

or are they fucking living

right now

answer me

[spare talon]

You can literally use voc
WHILE YOURE CHARGING A HEAVY ATTACK

[vestal pine]

stop saying

[ember yew]

GET DOWN

[vestal pine]

the nerfs are justified cause otherss will get nerfed

are they nerfed right now

or are they

still brokenly op

[crisp furnace]

Do you think one ability should allow you to instantly kill 6 crushers

[vestal pine]

will there be a patch in the next week that actually nerfs vet

[crisp furnace]

That’s what fury nerf was for

[spare talon]

He does have a point
The current state of the game will remain for months till the next update

[ember yew]

yeah, 3 months later at the next patch cycle and that's not guaranteed

[vestal pine]

anything you say is invalid until the update comes months on end

and until then ogryn and zealot suffers

[ember yew]

[vestal pine]

like people feel fine about the update

no i dont

[crisp furnace]

Zealot still incredibly strong

[vestal pine]

because i dont trust fatshark to deliver what they may or may have not promised

[ember yew]

I feel fine with zealot nerfs, but not fine since they ignored some junk weapons and talents

[vestal pine]

you know whats about zealot?
vet is stronger

[spare talon]

But I will say with crit cdr in it's current state I'm not having nearly as much fun as I used to

[south folio]

except there is a pattern of them doing nerfs

like, it's just a matter of when they'll nerf

[vestal pine]

except 3 months arent free

[south folio]

yes yes yes

but zealot is still strong

who gives a shit

[vestal pine]

i give a shit

[spare talon]

I've said that a lot, literally every time we've talked about it but I will continue to do so

[vestal pine]

everyone cares about balance gives a shit

[south folio]

just because you actively engage in bdsm by not taking +50% dr doesn't mean that others are actively gimping themselves

mf i care about balance as well

[vestal pine]

because its not equal right now

[south folio]

i'm pretty vocal about nerfing shit

so what

[vestal pine]

then why arent they nerfing voc

or vet

or psytker

[south folio]

it's not like doing patches in unequal waves

is some concept unique to fatshark

[vestal pine]

do i need to scream into your rectinum to get my voice to you

[south folio]

it's just exacerbated by fatshark's general slowness

i get what you're saying

what i'm saying is that is what you're saying is just silly

[vestal pine]

its not like the last November patch was divided into 4 sections

where only vet gets their skilltree

[south folio]

like, you keep on holding onto the fact that you don't like the fact that it was unequal

[vestal pine]

and then zealot

and then

whatever

they came in 1 whole package

[south folio]

on the other hand, i might point out that the 4 classes were unequal at that patch

[vestal pine]

we arent assembling IKEA updates

[south folio]

since they weren't perfectly balanced, fatshark bad

[ember yew]

FS been footballing my poor glaive in Vermintide back and forth for like 3 5 years, so im not suprised at FS balancing at all

[royal vortex]

vet didnt get their keystones in patch 13

i dunno man

[south folio]

like, what is fatshark going to, select 1 nerf for every 4 classes before doing a balance patch?

[vestal pine]

and no i will forever be mad about the nerfs
cause fatshark refuses to do whats actually reasonable and nerf in one sitting

[south folio]

bruh

im pretty sure that you just don't like nerfs

[vestal pine]

fair point

[south folio]

you don't have to invent reasons

[crisp furnace]

nerf was needed

[south folio]

just say you don't like nerfs man

like, it's not hard to be honest

[crisp furnace]

they didn't go hard enough

[vestal pine]

i dont like nerfs when they arent done in a global manner

is the voc nerfed right now

[south folio]

sigh

koreans man

[vestal pine]

i have been saying this for 3 days

and will for the next few weeks

[ember yew]

that's why they should gave some buffs to some of the wep kits that's underused so people wont just go yolo about the nerfs, but it is what it is

[coarse birch]

we literally all agree that multiple things need nerfs FS just doesnt nerf everything at once because people are babies about nerfs

[maiden path]

my vault is coming along nicely 😎

[south folio]

yeah, though it's not ike doing patches in unequal waves is anything whacky

[vestal pine]

people are babies about nerfs doesnt justify that we would just shut up and be fine about what we were given

[south folio]

fatshark just be slow and they're iteratively working through feedback

[royal vortex]

they... did that this patch

lol

[vestal pine]

yeah at least some weapons got a touch up

thankfully

[maiden path]

make every gun good fatshark

[south folio]

it's not like they're going to just be solely looking for "hey we nerfed zealot so let's then nerf vet/psyker/ogryn"

[ember yew]

doubt that people will look at that poor forever alone tax7

[south folio]

they're just gonna be doing the stuff they see and then the changes in batches

that's just how it be

[vestal pine]

they are in my books psyker and vet kept getting buffs, outside of 1 instance of survivalist but that was essentially global

[royal vortex]

there's only a handful of weapons left that are so bad you'd struggle to actually use them

paul/recons were some of the last

[south folio]

bruh psyker got a few nerfs

albeit pretty whatev nerfs

[royal vortex]

dc1 and the taxes are the most aggressive outliers

[ember yew]

it's time for Achlys 8 rework

[south folio]

in the same vein as crit cdr and fotf nerf

like, come on

[ember yew]

and probably Antax 5 change

[south folio]

you keep on pretending like other classes didn't get nerfs

which is just patently false

[royal vortex]

vet got a p big nerf going from p12 to p13

[south folio]

i think that taxes are pretty fine as well
on the low end but still fine

[ember yew]

actually vets crack buffs

now will bypass bulwark BP

[royal vortex]

the taxe4 is literally just outmoded

wrong reply

u get the idea

taxe2/7 are ok

[ember yew]

previously it was left with 5% hp if not improved

[royal vortex]

the 4 is just depressing

[south folio]

true the taxe4

[coarse birch]

taxe 4 is very sadge

[royal vortex]

it's literally just a worse weapon in like every regard for no upside

[south folio]

and the majority of vet builds taking the talents that bumped it

[vestal pine]

Dev note: All projectiles, including projectiles from weapons like Psyker Force Staves and Ogryn Rumbler or player blitz abilities like Psyker “Assail” or Zealot “Blades of Faith” etc, now will only receive the buffs that were active when the projectile was fired/thrown/spawned from the player and keeps those buffs during its trajectory. This for example means that the projectile will have the damage and power the player had when shooting it and they will not time out or be lost during the flight of the projectile.

this was global

[south folio]

yeah?

and assail was affected the most you dunce

[ember yew]

my melee zealot vet dont take and im happy with this buff

[south folio]

count the # of projectile weapons and the weapons that benefitted from this interaction the most

assail is a quickswap projectile weapon

[royal vortex]

assail weaving (in its strongest mechanical form) got kneecapped

[south folio]

so it got hit the hardest you fucking idiot

[royal vortex]

tknives were mostly unaffected

[south folio]

i'm literally a psyker main

[crisp furnace]

cute

[crisp furnace]

for now

[royal vortex]

1 shotting with a hand cannon revolver is p funny

[final forge]

im not even mad at the nerfs, im just sad this is still soooo bad

[fleet zealot]

Yall need to go sleep

[royal vortex]

nobody does it though

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/reginald-angry-eating-angry-eating-monster-house-gif-20013301

[vestal pine]

thunderous with whatever zealot nades were also nerfed with the patch

[fleet zealot]

Get sleep pilled

[vestal pine]

this isnt something you only got

[south folio]

yeah, but assail is what got hit the hardest

[crisp furnace]

no!

dockets

[south folio]

i also want you to count the amount of people

who used thunderous stun nade

[fleet zealot]

Yall grumpy stop fighting kindred

[vestal pine]

ah yes

[south folio]

in fact

[vestal pine]

since its not popular

it should be dead

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-23970142

[crisp furnace]

I spent 39 mil so far

[fleet zealot]

Oo oo me meeeee

I love my shocky nades

Schwoky

[south folio]

my point is that it didn't even affect that many people

[vestal pine]

absolute fuck take

the DD rework buffed psyker

[south folio]

because people had to

1. use thunderous (extremely rare)
2. use stun nades (rarer)
3. be aware of this interaction

[royal vortex]

when ogryn fire ripper bug got fixed it disproportionaly hurt ogryn

FUCK fatshark

[south folio]

on the other hand

[royal vortex]

worst dev

[coarse birch]

no way

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[south folio]

psyker class melees almost always take uncanny

[coarse birch]

why would they do ogryn like that

[vestal pine]

so since noone used it

it doesnt matter

thats like

[median steeple]

Death to og fatshark is a fuck

[vestal pine]

the worst argument i have seem coming from you

[vestal pine]

jesus

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/toma-gif-26093915

[median steeple]

Experiencing wimsy and joy

[median steeple]

@hard nexus

[fleet zealot]

Okay i never used thunderous and stun nades i forgot thunderous was a blesising

[maiden path]

odst.........

https://tenor.com/view/odst-halo-gif-21538676

[fleet zealot]

Clown on clown violence

[maiden path]

oh fuckeeeeeeeeee

[vestal pine]

global nerfs are fine, the blitz nerf hit across the board and yes assail got affected the most, but everyone got effected
when it specifically targets certain characters and doesnt address other elephants in the room its bad
even BM was quite obvious it was targetted towards ogryn
but i dont mind it that much compared to zealot talent nerfs

and then psykers got buffed twice, once with smite EP and other with DD

vets got some reworks but mostly survivalist nerf(which was more akin to global nerf) and a reworked sharkshooter keystone

and then now they get a buff that so minisule, that lets you oneshot bulwarks with kraks even without any damage up nodes

at the same time zealot was getting actively nerfed

idk why are you fine with this
are you just okay on how fatshark patches
cause im not and i never will be

[storm pagoda]

what zealot nerfs

[vestal pine]

crit cdr only now activates once perswing instead once per hit

fotf was changed to melee rending instead of melee/ranged armor down

crusher got hit with some nerfs to its speed but it was quite overpowered to those who actually know how to play its strengths so i dont mind that much

[storm pagoda]

the crit was kinda busted with how fast you could get the chorus and perma stealth its a good direction

[vestal pine]

yeah, except it didnt address any problems to heavy swinging weapons and light swinging weapons

nor it did anything good to the current balance of buff every enemy

[storm pagoda]

the enemy thing will balance itself out once locks get removed probably or everyones gonna complain until they nerf them again

[vestal pine]

CAN EVERYONE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT IT WILL BE FINE ONCE THE NEXT PATCH HITS FFS IT WONT HIT ANYTHING UNTIL LIKE 3 MONTHS

[storm pagoda]

thats fatshark

[vestal pine]

yes

[south folio]

the point is, i want you to think about why people didn't run thunderous

[vestal pine]

we dont even know if its gonna balance anything, just that it comes
its fatshark

[south folio]

or why people rarely run stun

[storm pagoda]

also fotf was always a "bug" but its been there so long they prob should have just made it a feature

[south folio]

because the thunder stun interaction is essentially a meme interaction

[vestal pine]

because fatshark keeps failing to address the core issues of zealot and just nerfs his "broken point"

do i need to

tell you this

also it worked on immolation which is a pretty popular nade all thigns considered

[vestal pine]

they have confirmed it was there too long and was now a feature

and then proceed to contradict that statement and remove it once flamers fotf was rampant

[frozen glen]

why are u complaining to us about something we cant control lmao

go to fatshark or smth

[vestal pine]

because you guys are coping about it

i aint doing that

[storm pagoda]

we have all just come to accept how slow fatshark moves

[vestal pine]

tbh the ranged nerf was decently justified least for the flamers

[frozen glen]

theres no coping

[storm pagoda]

i thought flamer went out of style a long time ago way before the fotf nerf

[kindred belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/leave-me-alone-glep-smiling-friends-go-away-i'm-trying-to-watch-this-gif-17734651409887356536

[tidal berry]

I lost it at sharkshooter

[storm pagoda]

they should revert flamer to its base state bc its honestly trash wothout fotf

[vestal pine]

‘Chastise the Wicked’ and ‘Fury of the Faithful’
100% Rending → 100% Melee Rending
Dev Note: This talent was always intended to emphasize the melee prowess of Zealots allowing them to charge up to enemies and devastating them with their melee attacks. This change is made to bring this talent back to its intended purpose.

[vestal pine]

its only limiting fator is the carapace enemies(crushers) and ammo consumption

[ornate bone]

I could get into a whole-ass rant on weapon balancing and the difference between a bad weapon and an unfitting weapon

[maiden path]

WHAT

I DIDNT KNOW I COULD DO THIS

[storm pagoda]

bulwarks crushers + maulers/ragers bc barely any stagger + any ranged special basically + shooters

[kindred belfry]

bros never farmed artifice armor

[ornate bone]

Luckily I have just typed a bible on why the revolver is perfect

[crisp furnace]

GOOD

[tidal berry]

lacerate knife living up to his name

[vestal pine]

fatshark balance is ass, yes i know that well
i at least expect the nerfs to hit at the same time when darktide has 4 classes(albeit more diverse within) and not 20

[tidal berry]

powerful

[storm pagoda]

i think ogryn and psyker are the strongest atm

[vestal pine]

then again even in vermintide the patches that shook up like
at least half the roster was basically nonexistant

so why am i argueing

[vestal pine]

its bad

[ornate bone]

Vermintide was a bit of a sorry state sometimes

[hushed agate]

Psyker is debatable but ogryn is not the strongest archatype

[storm pagoda]

ogryns way overtuned only bc no one wants to play him hes like the easy mode setting of the game

[vestal pine]

ogryns arent eating good

the shooter buffs just murders him now unless he takes the shield

[storm pagoda]

i havent played new patch but prepatch ogryn was strong

[crisp furnace]

Ogryn was nerfed

[south folio]

what core issues

[ornate bone]

I really liked bounty hunter, but people could just play grail knight and fuck every enemy up instead, and then bounty hunter didn't have the really cool team support of witch hunter and relied largely on the headshot ult for its ultimate memery

[crisp furnace]

If you suck just say you suck

[south folio]

there are issues, but this is not unqiue to zealot

zealot is not the only one being oppressed

[crisp furnace]

Your name isn’t ironic

[south folio]

they're not being targeted

[crisp furnace]

It’s a tell

[crisp furnace]

Literally

[ornate bone]

Waystalker was also notably easier to just slay specials with because LOLHOMINGARROWS

[maiden path]

is dis rare

[crisp furnace]

I would argue that they didn’t nerf it hard enough (I main zealot)

[vestal pine]

unbalanced mix of the top half of the tree, revanant, thy wrath be swift, continuous lack of care when other class talents got at least a shookup

[ornate bone]

nerf what hard enough

[crisp furnace]

Invocation

[storm pagoda]

really only crit zealot got nerfed

[ornate bone]

Then sister of thorns literally invalidated any specialist or elite enemy for a few seconds and gave people free headshots

[crisp furnace]

Free cdr is insanely strong

[ornate bone]

its like 8 or 10 seconds lmao

[south folio]

i also wonder why no one might be complaing about the interaction with immo nadees being gone

because it still exists in the form of uncanny strike

[vestal pine]

i am

[south folio]

yeah because you're you

[vestal pine]

also uncanny doesnt seem to buff any damage of immo, i have tried

[crisp furnace]

Immo nades is weak on pathing

[ornate bone]

Nobody remembers huntsman because ranger just chugs a strength potion, pops the smoke and kills the boss in a single magazine of the engineer pistol

Huntsman asks the player to headshot and is not exactly the easiest to play in melee, despite having really interesting talents for it

[vestal pine]

least the CW oneshots with the bow were fun to do

even if it did less result for more work

[ornate bone]

There's also uhhh zealot

[frozen glen]

@south folio i am stuck ontop of the first elevator in refinery maelstrom can u join and activate it pls

[vestal pine]

still unbalanced really

[ornate bone]

I don't remember who the fuck played zealot in VT2

[south folio]

all i want to say is, this is the biggest self-report that you are an unreliable witness

redverse you hoe

[ornate bone]

Warrior priest was also forgotten, but for a mostly good reason

[tropic pelican]

the huntsman just me's a strength potion

[vestal pine]

all you're saying to me is that "since this was never used it should be removed"

[south folio]

that wasn't my point you dingus

[vestal pine]

which is the dumbest take i have heard from you

then dont make that point

[south folio]

my point is that it wasn't some super strong core build that was nerfed

bitch

it wasn't the main point

[ornate bone]

Sienna was just battle wizard battle wizard battle wizard battle wizard

[tidal berry]

fight fight fight

[ornate bone]

Nobody played unchained and even less people cared for pyromancer

[south folio]

it was related and is a coarse summary of what i said

[frozen glen]

arco please

[south folio]

but like the removal of that interaction had practically no impact on zealot's strength

[ornate bone]

So every Kerillian was either a waystalker to farm specials, or a sister to farm the special kills for someone else

[south folio]

like, you are just complaining about a nothingburger interaction being removed

[vestal pine]

you are not listening are you
so am i anyway

[ornate bone]

Also the weapons

[vestal pine]

i used the interaction before it was fucking gone

[south folio]

I am specifically arguing against each statement you make

yeah

[ornate bone]

Find me one fucking Saltz player not using rapier

[vestal pine]

oh nice another playstyle wrote off from my collection

[south folio]

and my point isn't solely that few people used it

[ornate bone]

me i play warrior priest with big sex hammer

[spare talon]

Me

[vestal pine]

billhook was quite popular here

[spare talon]

Zealot mace

[south folio]

my point is that it's not some core strong build of zealot

[vestal pine]

some people actually used flails

[storm pagoda]

what zealot melee has uncanny strike even?

[spare talon]

(I'm still leveling)

[spare talon]

Knife

[vestal pine]

so it didnt nerf zealot

[ornate bone]

Also I don't even know what people are arguing about, I just get absorbed into my own tangents

[vestal pine]

is that what you're saying

[south folio]

and my other point has always been "limiting player options is not an inherently bad thing"

[ornate bone]

Like a true Sigmar male

[vestal pine]

THEN WHY ARE YOU ADVOCATING FOR IT

why

[south folio]

what do you mean?

[cunning knoll]

He is?

[south folio]

advocating for what

[ornate bone]

who would win in a 1v1 to the death, sigmar balls or sugmar dick

[hushed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/you-will-cease-these-infantile-squabbling-dracula-castlevania-youll-put-an-end-to-these-childish-arguments-you-all-stop-fighting-like-little-kids-gif-8902060019394993505

[ornate bone]

Honestly one of my favorite choices for WHC

[latent vortex]

"less is more" philosophy is something I enjoy

[storm pagoda]

i think most people run the bleed and bleed weakspot hit blessing on knife anyways

[ornate bone]

That stamina regen on push talent was fucking goated for billhook

[coarse birch]

unfort they run bleed yeah

but its far from the best

[frozen glen]

most do yes

but uncanny is the strongest

[crisp furnace]

Sounds like a personal problem

[latent vortex]

just be a gigachad like me and use ruthless

[spare talon]

No
No they do not
That is a trap
Well, they do, but they shouldn't

[vestal pine]

just delete zealot at this point, i'd be less mad about it than them half-ass nerfing zealot only

[ornate bone]

Knife is uhhh riposte and uncanny most of the time, or maybe riposte and mercy killer on vet because of the bleed

[south folio]

can you answer what i'm advocating for

[spare talon]

WHYYYYYY

[ornate bone]

I wish smackdown was goated

[crisp furnace]

@kindred belfry

[ornate bone]

It's not

[south folio]

cuz i legitimately do not get it

[ornate bone]

Smackdown should work for pushes

[latent vortex]

realistically? When fighting a boss that's running another player down I can't get uncanny stacks

[ornate bone]

Hire me Fartshart

[cunning knoll]

dude what?

[storm pagoda]

SO BLEED BAD ON KNIFE? 🤯

[spare talon]

Yes

[latent vortex]

or rather, I don't need to get uncanny while it's chasing an ally I can just stay on the boss

[hushed agate]

Actual insanity

[latent vortex]

and if it's facing me, I have uncanny!

(i do play AM with it)

[spare talon]

Rending does a lot less than you think on its own

[latent vortex]

Good thing I get a bunch of backstab bonuses

[spare talon]

Like yeah it's good against armor
But everything else it's just a mild damage boost

[latent vortex]

I'm using shroudfield

i hunt elites down mostly 😄

[spare talon]

Which pales in comparison to the other blessings knife can get

Like riposte and precog

Especially on zealot

[crisp furnace]

Yes

[latent vortex]

don't care, 2shot weakened bosses

[spare talon]

Precog is literally just a better duelist
That can stack with duellist

[vestal pine]

least they admit their incompetance and actually finish whatever they started with that change

[tidal berry]

wild

[hushed agate]

Crazy even

Nuts of some sort

[crisp furnace]

He thinks lacerate is good because he listens to some Koreans

[cunning knoll]

How did the new changes basically delete zealot?

[crisp furnace]

He’s bad at the game and used them as a crutch

[spare talon]

Like i can take a hefty third out of a normal beast of nurgle with duelist, precog, and shroudfield, which is certainly enough to one shot a weakened one
Not to mention it absolutely obliterates literally everything

[south folio]

somebody kneejerking about nerfs, intentionally handicapping themselves when playing zealot, and then complaining that zealot got nerfed

[vestal pine]

it didnt, but it half-assed zealot to the point i'd rather be fine with them admitting incompetance and just sticking to the other 3 classes

[crisp furnace]

He wants to instantly regen his ability

[royal vortex]

they ruined zealot with the crusher attack speed nerf. uninstalling darktide

[tidal berry]

time to reviewbomb

[rough galleon]

did you want an equal attention nerf for everyone else? chill bro, they see a bunch of things that are overtuned (for example, 2 second chorus, boltgunning five crushers in one mag with chastise) and tone them down
this is a powersword nerf reaction bud

[frozen glen]

dont even notice the difference tbh fr fr

[south folio]

this is the type of person that we're dealing with

[crisp furnace]

Massive massive skill issue

[spring pasture]

zealot died when they removed the lacerate bleed nades

[south folio]

somebody who willingly took off +50% toughness dr for 4 seconds on crit for a crit build

[crisp furnace]

Perhaps malice is where he belongs

[vestal pine]

literally dont notice anything changed for me when they deal extreme damage regardless of TDR active or not

[rough galleon]

why would i want to die twice as much

[frozen glen]

i also told him to dodge out of a rev when he's about to get overheaded and he says "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CRIT REV!"

[vestal pine]

either dodge all or die

[south folio]

i've already said you are an unreliable witness

[coarse birch]

how is it not making a difference

[south folio]

mf said that uncanny doesn't work with immo anymore

[spare talon]

I certainly feel the tdr on a crit build

[south folio]

like come on

[hushed agate]

Notice these nuts

[coarse birch]

i think you are just used to shooters not being a real enemy

[royal vortex]

he complained about dying to shooters on ogryn and one of the tips i gave him was "you can shoot guns to suppress enemies" and he was like "WHAT SUPPRESSION?"

so

idk

[crisp furnace]

He thinks lacerate is good

[ripe heron]

Suppression is good.

[vestal pine]

it works but didnt notice anything changing on crusher damage output, sorry

[tidal berry]

There are still like billion different ways to completely ignore gunners lmao

[rough galleon]

don't get too mob like

[crisp furnace]

The only people I know who think lacerate is good are bad

[south folio]

how about the ranged enemies that you continually complain about?

[crisp furnace]

Hello Tyr

[vestal pine]

which they die regardless

[spare talon]

This argument also stands on the legs that suppression actually works properly tho
I've given up on it entirely lmao

[obsidian quail]

ogryns dont know about the suppression concept

[royal vortex]

suppression is super forgiving on a ton of weapons tf u on about

[coarse birch]

suppression to the enemy is like fairly reliable and not hard to achieve

[royal vortex]

kickback is a cone of "stop shooting" every time u fire

[tidal berry]

arent most ogryn guns either suppress or stunlock enemies

[royal vortex]

yes

[frosty herald]

Was there any reason to make them this fast :(

[south folio]

cole, out of curiosity, when did you last play ogryn

[spare talon]

Tbf most of that comment is in relation to both non ogryn weapons

And the fucking suppression aura penance

[royal vortex]

i mean even still

brautos exist

[south folio]

not real weapons

[royal vortex]

they all have comically high suppression

[coarse birch]

brauto, revo, general suppression on kill

[south folio]

come up with more plausible 40k weapons pls

[royal vortex]

same for the shotguns really, @south folio has a clip of him stunning groaners with a kant shotgun

[tidal berry]

bolter also slaps shooters pretty well no?

[royal vortex]

yes

[coarse birch]

yeah

[tidal berry]

you pop a gunner and the rest just piss their pants

[south folio]

why you complaining about them then if you're ganking ranged enemies

literally just complaing for the sake of complaining

[coarse birch]

although it has to deal with suppression itself

[rough galleon]

time for more varieties of autoguns

[vestal pine]

because why the fuck would i use immo on few shooters

[south folio]

...what?

huh?

[cunning knoll]

What?

[ornate bone]

guys whats ur opinion on the new map event histg

[vestal pine]

wait what you didnt talk about immo nades?

[hushed agate]

So you dont die????????

[south folio]

what does immo nades have to do with this

[spare talon]

Bolt pistol being sent to the moon when a shooter looks at you

[vestal pine]

i was sitll talking about immo nades

[royal vortex]

o sorry we're mixing up terms

[south folio]

i'm talking about +50% toughness dr

[royal vortex]

im talking about suppressing enemies

[cunning knoll]

???

[vestal pine]

god dammit

[royal vortex]

i think ur talkin about getting suppressed by enemies

[coarse birch]

bolt pistol suppression combined with the handling is sdage