zealot-class

[vestal pine]

i dont get why you keep bringing it up like "its fine"

its not

[drowsy steppe]

theres like

a certain 'tripwire' so to speak before it triggers afaik

[crisp furnace]

Ye

[drowsy steppe]

and a hidden timer too

[crisp furnace]

But timers don’t go down anymore unless you go though the tripwires

[south folio]

oh don't worry what i say also applies to fotf armour downgrade

[crisp furnace]

Because FatShark is completely useless

[drowsy steppe]

lmaooooo

[vestal pine]

fotf AD was changed to rending and changed some BP about certain weapons

[south folio]

what i say here

is pretty agnostic to whether it was ranged rending or crit cdr that got nerfed

[vestal pine]

which is completely harmless to the character

[ivory marlin]

The bronze age? Yeah i know him, he plays for the lakers

[vestal pine]

caxes now cant 2shot crushers anymore with 1 fotf, and while vet gets buffs for oneshotting bulwarks with the krak without damage buffs

obviosuly fine

gonna go play more zealot now

[ivory marlin]

Should i level my zealot?

[crisp furnace]

You shouldn’t be 2 shotting crushers anyway

[south folio]

vets could do that anyways if you went down the left or middle tree

[frozen glen]

is he comparing an infinitely repeatable action to a limited resource

[crisp furnace]

Ye

[south folio]

you talk like this is some new thing that vets are now only able to do

vets could already oneshot bulwarks with kraks if you just took +elite damage or +ogryn damage

[vestal pine]

a point now vets dont have to care about anymore, yes.

[crisp furnace]

Kraks are only good if you specifically build around them

[drowsy steppe]

not really

[south folio]

except that vets already took those points in their build, and it's a single point

[drowsy steppe]

you just grab krak

and throw it

[crisp furnace]

With focus target and the damage perk for anti boss

[frozen glen]

man this is a throwback to "krak bad" by our old vet girlie

[drowsy steppe]

it being finite sure hamper it

[south folio]

because remember that +elite damage and +ogryn damage aren't some wild out-of-the-way nodees

[frozen glen]

may she rest in peace

[vestal pine]

and the 6 second CDR as well.

obviosuly balanced

[south folio]

yeah

you know

i also want them to be nerfed?

you talk like i'm inconsistent in my ideology

[drowsy steppe]

I want it to at least has an innate cooldown

[south folio]

and keep in mind that as a psyker and vet main

[vestal pine]

you are

is it nerfed now?

[south folio]

i want them both to be nerfed the hardest

[drowsy steppe]

or just remove it outright

[gleaming hawk]

Right, and I made a general point in reply to your general statement that was expansive. I don't see the issue.

[crisp furnace]

At max 1200 seconds of cdr a game

[vestal pine]

is zealot nerfed now?

[crisp furnace]

I could get 2400 seconds on zealot

[south folio]

yeah, but then you keep talking about difficulty levels

and bringing up statements that i agree with

[vestal pine]

is psyker nerfed now?

[scenic chasm]

what are yalls thoughts on the crusher?

[frozen glen]

yeah arco why dont u just nerf psyker and zealot bro.........

call ur dad

[south folio]

the point is, the difficulty stuff just has nothing to do with the fact that people are whining about nerfs

because people weren't originally whining about difficulty

[gleaming hawk]

You brought up difficulty levels?

[south folio]

they were whining about the nerfs

[crisp furnace]

Great weapon

[south folio]

i brought it up as a retort and then you kept talking about it

[gleaming hawk]

But my point applies to nerfs. Nerfs can be anti-fun.

[frozen glen]

very fun and good weapon

[scenic chasm]

agreed, although i might prefer the new mauls

[south folio]

i specifically wanted to move away from the conversation

either way, my original point was that people kept whining about nerfs

[drowsy steppe]

great weapon

great weapon master

[south folio]

and not about some difficulty balancing conversation that is not relevant at the moment

[drowsy steppe]

GWM

[gleaming hawk]

I can retort retorts. I don't see the issue.

[south folio]

the issue is that you bring up statements as if i disagree with, which i don't

[drowsy steppe]

1 nerf to an ult doesnt mean its an overall class nerf

[south folio]

i agree with what has been said

but that is tangential to the conversation at large

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shikanoko-nokonoko-koshitantan-my-deer-friend-nokotan-anime-gif-3888990587758024677

[south folio]

so sad for all the people that ran other ults

[gleaming hawk]

It is relevant, though. My point is that nerfs can be anti-fun, and dismissing them as 'whining' isn't useful. Examining why people are complaining and whether the complaints are valid because the nerf is anti-fun is.

[frozen glen]

may your soul be torn to shreds inshallah

[vestal pine]

and a krak buff and smite buff doesnt buff the respective classes, got it

[frosty herald]

Shikonoko brainrot

[south folio]

i dismiss it as whining because people don't bring up good reasons for why it shouldn't have been nerfed

sure i agree that it was fun

and it reduced the fun for people who enjoyed spamming it

but at the same time, i thought it was well understood that it was getting kneecapped no matter what

because it's just absurd

vet's cdr is also recognized to be absurd

the fact that the nerf is purely "anti-fun" is not justification alone to keep it

[frosty herald]

I can give a point to nerf it to 25%

Its still strong but nudges people to use it more alongside melee

[gleaming hawk]

A kneecapping vs an outright removal are two very different things. I think a ranged rend % would be interesting, or making the ranged rend last for a single shot (though that probably skews too much in favor of the revolver).

[south folio]

in general, i disagree with ranged rending

because crushers are going to get trivialized

and they already get dunked on

e.g., vet has ranged rending and you know what they be up to with crushers

[frosty herald]

Woe krak upon ye

[south folio]

and it's not like ammo is an issue in this game

or that the rending is minimal

[gleaming hawk]

I disagree, crushers are trivial on their lonesome but with a % you're going to have issues chewing through an entire pack.

[frozen glen]

1000% (though ive only seen up to 850%)

[drowsy steppe]

remind me, did krak and smite got buffed this patch

[frozen glen]

krak did

[gleaming hawk]

Krak got a tiny buff

[frozen glen]

smite nah

[south folio]

sure, but at some point, it's going to be weighed against meleeing
and i doubt there is a good enough value of rending% where the decision between "i should shoot the crusher" and "i should just melee the crusher" will be meaningful

especially when we do live in a world where some weapons ALREADY have some innate rending

because of how crits for some reason bump carapace ADMs (usually)

[frosty herald]

My shotgun vacuums a solid 600% of the ammo

[south folio]

the only thing that got nerfed

[frosty herald]

Alongside gunlugger

[south folio]

was zealot's FotF

[lethal lance]

Zealot long chainsword go brrrrrr

[south folio]

crit rending remains a normal and innate part of a lot of weapons

[vestal pine]

krak got patched this patch, smite was patched last patch

[drowsy steppe]

hmm ok last time I thoroughly tested krak

it requires 2 nades to kill reapers without GT

now only requires 1

[gleaming hawk]

I mean the obvious answer is role optimization, where melee weapons unsuited to killing crushers can still be useful because guns can cover that with specific builds. Zealot doesn't have a lot of great ranged answers to crushers, and the main exceptions are jokes of a weapon (bolters) or the best gun a zealot can have that nothing can really compare to (revolver)

[north sedge]

Overpowered

[frosty herald]

Reapers deserve it

[south folio]

yeah those ranged options do then exist

ranged anti-armor should be a niche anyways

like what is your stance on how many ranged weapons should exist that should be anti-armor

because i do not get it

[vestal pine]

zealot should be a niche anyway

[south folio]

is the existence of those weapons not good enough for people?

like do people want ranged anti-armor to be a majority or what

[frozen glen]

where do u get ur motivation man

id just have gone to bed

[south folio]

i've made the mistake of buying multiple monitors and having discord on one of them

[gleaming hawk]

I mean, I think there should be more variety for anti-armor, and that the expressely anti-armor guns shouldn't be jokes

[south folio]

the bolter is a joke perhaps to you

[frozen glen]

did u get a pc or is it hooked to ur laptop

[south folio]

and this harkens back to statement against fatshark limiting variety

limiting players is not inherently a bad thing

and i have yet to see a reason besides "my variety!!!"

[gleaming hawk]

Don't start, you can make any weapon viable but the bolter is absolutely a joke

[south folio]

you know where you can get your variety?

lower difficulties

[gleaming hawk]

I mean, variety should be a thing in higher difficulties. Why should it not?

[south folio]

sure

and we do have a lot of variety

the majority of zealot melees is fine or good into carapace

my point is that variety being restricted at higher difficulties is a natural thing

and not some whacky concept

it's just a normal thing that happens

[drowsy steppe]

are we only talking about zealot ranged, because theres plasma

[gleaming hawk]

Sure, but we can ask for more

[south folio]

mechanics like rending and whatnot are the exception

[gleaming hawk]

only zealot

[placid fiber]

Know what you don't want to see towards the top of the temple area in rorr? A bunch of these bois, which spawned from the teleporter. They are great at insta killing you lol

[south folio]

yeah then i would ask for more anti-armor weaopns and whatnot

not have zealot get generalist rending buffs like vet does

because that gets hard to balance

why not ask for specific and targeted things like a weapon with anti-armor or to buff a specific weapon

[lusty turtle]

general rending in awful ye

[south folio]

rather than get into the balancing nitty gritty of giving an entire class generalist rending

[lusty turtle]

prefer more stuff like boltpistol get introduced

which can punch up to cara

[drowsy steppe]

I think FS just doesnt know how to properly balance bolter

[gleaming hawk]

Okay, but here's the thing. We had a very viable, obvious, and already-implemented method that worked. 'More guns' is all well and good but... maybe remove the implemented method when the guns get added and not before?

[drowsy steppe]

like

if they make it as good as zarona, than it becomes the objectively best anti armor weapon

[south folio]

cuz it was silly back then

[drowsy steppe]

and that breaks the balancing again

[south folio]

the pros back then was that we had variety but we deleted crusher packs

[frosty herald]

Pickaxe is a nice anti armor choice

[drowsy steppe]

oh boy pre patch 13 bolter is something

[south folio]

the pros now is that we don't delete crusher packs and the con is that we lose variety

[gleaming hawk]

Again, you can hamper and not remove.

[lusty turtle]

bolters honestly fine where it is atm

[south folio]

i have a pretty binary view and see the pros and cons are similar

[lusty turtle]

zarona will probably be killed with hammers one day

[south folio]

i would absolutely remove general rending

[drowsy steppe]

I would hope so

[south folio]

i would not even consider hampering it

[gleaming hawk]

Well, that's you. Cool. I disagree.

[south folio]

shame

[vestal pine]

they should remove rending while they keep the crusher counts to same

thats what they did to zealot

good patch

[lusty turtle]

i was yesterday years old when i found out zarona falloff is bugged 😔

[vestal pine]

god fucking dammit

[drowsy steppe]

though I wont mind seeing an adm buff to flak and carapace for bolter

[frozen glen]

they removed all of it

even uncanny strike

my wholesome class.....

[north sedge]

Just use kraks

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancingbaby-gif-22415743

[drowsy steppe]

or they could introduce a bolter blessing like

[gleaming hawk]

Nah, bolter is an inconsistent joke that needs fixes

[drowsy steppe]

executor but for bolter; the more you hit a weakspot, the more damage you do

[vestal pine]

i am.

[lusty turtle]

na its a fuckin monster when setup right

both pistol n full size version

[north sedge]

Only kraks

[lusty turtle]

but recoil is a mess and that needs fixing

[gleaming hawk]

Yeah, good luck setting it up right

[lusty turtle]

but thats an underlying darktide issue

[lusty turtle]

mine is setup right

[gleaming hawk]

Yes

[gleaming hawk]

Aim included, mate

[vestal pine]

twinned blast on kraks are nice

[frosty herald]

Were lucky

[lusty turtle]

ye, its cumbersome but not impossible to aim

[frosty herald]

Therss another game on the same engine with a much more confusing armor system

[lusty turtle]

thing fucks up elites

i forgor if mine 2 or 3 shots crushers

[gleaming hawk]

Until they save themselves by raising an arm

[lusty turtle]

aim for heads

ez

[gleaming hawk]

Yeah that works for like 1 shot

[frozen glen]

i hate the design of the boltpistol it looks stupid

gimme the heavy boltpistol

[lusty turtle]

you're stupid

[south folio]

not an issue specific to the bolter

[north sedge]

Ads shoot ads shoot

[fleet zealot]

[frozen glen]

im reporting u to fatshark

[gleaming hawk]

I mean, yeah, but I think it's exasperated on the boltor with its low ammo and recoil

[fleet zealot]

erasure of entire playstyles LMAO

[drowsy steppe]

blow chair bringing up old arguments

evil

[south folio]

entire cultures, annihilated

[fleet zealot]

sorry

i had to scroll down the entire convos

[drowsy steppe]

SCROLL TO PRESENT IDIOT

!!!

[fleet zealot]

YEA But i might miss something important

what if there is a new meta?

[drowsy steppe]

there is

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40000space-marine2-warhammer40000-space-marine-tyranids-gif-24403616

[gleaming hawk]

The past is the future is the past is the future is the past is the future-

[fleet zealot]

please don't call me blow chair.... 😢

[drowsy steppe]

unfortunately you know the rules

[gleaming hawk]

New meta is boltors only, no melee/tiny normal guns

[fleet zealot]

only if your melee can't handle them

[lusty turtle]

honestly just glad i've not seen any complaints about the accatrans

[frosty herald]

Is this an elaborate setup for a benis joke?

[drowsy steppe]

yam thinks of benis only

[gleaming hawk]

🅱️oltor

[vestal pine]

you say this like there is a good way to remove 8 curshers every wave

[vestal pine]

within a good timeframe so you dont get cornered and die

[north sedge]

God dammit i can't believe they gutted zealot while vets get mega amped accatrans

[fleet zealot]

and it's not just bolter to be honest, revolver and and mk3 HH

[lusty turtle]

zealots deserve worse

[gleaming hawk]

smite + the friends we made along the way :D

[south folio]

skele HATES zealot

[vestal pine]

hope they nerf smite

fuck that talent

i love it but i hate it

[south folio]

yeah garbage design of a blitz

[fleet zealot]

but that's the trade off for picking a melee that doesn't clear armor, you are forced to make an actual decision

[vestal pine]

is it nerfed tho

[vestal pine]

because it wasnt

nor is

zealot is

[south folio]

bruh

[lusty turtle]

this is why zealots deserve worse

[vestal pine]

fuck fatshark

[south folio]

i can admit that something is stupid and recognize that it hasn't been nerfed

why do we have to get into a "is it nerfed yet" statement with you anytime

[vestal pine]

i cannot admit that it will be nerfed

cause fatshark agenda

[south folio]

can't we just peacefully agree on something

[gleaming hawk]

I think it was okay as just a pause button

[vestal pine]

it isnt nerfed

if its nerfed, i wont be mad for zealot

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-mr-bones-thres-hold-kids-skeleton-gif-17856936

[vestal pine]

"it will be nerfed" doesnt do anything to me

[south folio]

i just hope you maintain the same consistency when zealot specifically gets a buff and the other classes don't

[vestal pine]

oh i will

"why the fuck did zealot only got the buffs"

been like this in the korean community, not like ill change about it

can they please fucking balance the roster

[north sedge]

I can't believe zealot got gutted, now i have to play the exact same way I played zealot before, disastrous

[lusty turtle]

tbf zealot was basically just the best class in the game, theres no surprise it got one of its most rediculous features canned

[vestal pine]

instead of just pick-a-dic who gets to be nerfed

[fleet zealot]

i'd say psyker has been the best for a while

ds4

they are just squishy if caught

[lusty turtle]

i can't believe they removed the ranged buff from my melee charge i use for my melee weapons

[fleet zealot]

void, trauma, smite, all their soulblaze talents

[gleaming hawk]

The Ogryn a few feet back preparing to krump everything with just heavies

[lusty turtle]

psyker and ogryn have some broken brain off stuff

[vestal pine]

caxes no longer 2shot crushers, so ill be mad about the fotf change still

[serene geyser]

anyone running shock maul / what build are you using?

[lusty turtle]

zealot is just the flat best stuff for actually winning games tho

[vestal pine]

otherwise decent change

[south folio]

so sad that caxes of all weapons got miffed

[lusty turtle]

good

[vestal pine]

oh thammers got the boot as well

[south folio]

caxes certainly are a weapon that were problematic in dealing with enemies

[lusty turtle]

caxes shouldn't 2 shot crushers

[vestal pine]

im sure that was justified

[south folio]

i mean that's just the normal and expected performance at that point

[fleet zealot]

true

[vestal pine]

and thats justified?

[south folio]

like your standards are just set too high imo

[gleaming hawk]

Psyker and Ogryn are great for moving through missions, Zealot is great for when things go wrong imo

[frozen glen]

the weapon that is still literally good at killing everything

[south folio]

yeah?

[vestal pine]

no

[ivory marlin]

I like psyker tho

[vestal pine]

this is why im mad about the patch

[ivory marlin]

And meta is stupid

[lusty turtle]

thats fine

[south folio]

somehoe armour downgrade being a mechanic is less deranged than fatshark just killing it

[lusty turtle]

i meant in terms of why zealot got nerfed

[vestal pine]

i am accepting the patch, doesnt mean i agree with anything it did

[ivory marlin]

Ah ok

[lusty turtle]

it was abig standout for "this makes no sense and isn't healthy"

[gleaming hawk]

Also I think psyker is actually the weakest of the classes when it comes to full potential

[queen oyster]

Rat with knife always wins

[south folio]

oh boy "x is weakest" conversation is about to start

[ivory marlin]

I think gaming got permanently damaged when metas started becoming a thing

[south folio]

i'm sure this will be healthy

[frosty herald]

If i slip up once its an almost instant down

[south folio]

back into the trenches

[vestal pine]

it was always about x is weakest, dont worry

[gleaming hawk]

[ivory marlin]

Back in my day we played for fun

[vestal pine]

you dug the trench

[frozen glen]

can u guys at least be funny with the takes

darcy did that much

[gleaming hawk]

I play for corpse rations

[vestal pine]

eh not like fatshark actually has meaty changes for all classes to do this consistently

[north sedge]

It makes it impossible for me to kill crushers with my hammer, knife, eviscerator, crusher, chaxe, caxe, chsword, smaul etc

[vestal pine]

not sure why crusher got nerfed but least the stupid PAspam was dealt with, thankfully

[south folio]

yeah it would help if these takes were accompanied by an e-girl impression

[gleaming hawk]

I think the 5th class will be released tomorrow and is going to be Eldari slimshady guy

[north sedge]

Bwuh

[frozen glen]

maybe hitler

[vestal pine]

makes it impossible to deal with crusher furballs to a decent extent, since the BP for crusher killing got messed up

only if crusher spawn was nerfed alongside

alas

[lusty turtle]

red????

[gleaming hawk]

How is the shock maul, btw?

[vestal pine]

its great

[frozen glen]

u dont remember that darcy moment?

[lusty turtle]

no i don't

[serene geyser]

what build you running for it

[solar gorge]

it's him

[lusty turtle]

meanwhile evis still one shots them 😔

[gleaming hawk]

and what shock maul is easier to use?

[solar gorge]

i always knew hitler was a psyker

[placid fiber]

sigh still not enough... 😭

[serene geyser]

i read agni is preferred

[north sedge]

And both chaxes

[south folio]

i'd say agni 1a since the single-target is heavy->light and crowd is light->heavy

[south folio]

mk3 has no strikedown as a first attack

[lusty turtle]

i am so glad i banned darcy

[vestal pine]

requires crit and not 2 crushers aiming overheads at you

[north sedge]

Haven't used it yet actually, just seen clips/people used in games

[serene geyser]

yall gonna make me go to a youtuber for shock build smh

[vestal pine]

i realized that the desc still doesnt mention armor down nor rending

[ivory marlin]

Should get owner for that

[gleaming hawk]

Hm, is the shock maul's DoT useful at all?

[fleet zealot]

i'm so glad darcy broke down and got herself banned

[vestal pine]

no not really

[gleaming hawk]

sad

[vestal pine]

it exists tho

[fleet zealot]

not really, just for the high voltage proc

[gleaming hawk]

One day DoTs will be good

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cucuso-trippy-psychedelic-psychedelicguy-crazy-gif-12507069

[fleet zealot]

but high voltage is proc'd on the 0 dps shock as well from the normal attacks

[solar gorge]

real ones run dual bleed on the knife and bleed on the bolt pstol

[vestal pine]

eh why am i suprised at fatshark at this point

they already broke off itemization and shipped only the nerfs to existing blessings lmao

[frozen glen]

soulblaze, burn, uncanny strike bleed, immo nades

[placid fiber]

I want... at least... eh... Around 3-5x as many mountain shrines active as I have here :/

[lusty turtle]

it would be a shame if zealot had access to crits on demand

[vestal pine]

it would be a shame it still took a good 1.5 second to cleave one and crusher mid aiming decided to walk forward with a overhead charged

wasting your crit, or your life

[lusty turtle]

simply do it with better positioning smh

i've yet to get overhead out of it

[vestal pine]

only if the 9 other crusher wasnt stuck inside the same crusher

[frosty herald]

How did your dumbass get that much damage with a bleed knife

[solar gorge]

infinite crits, infinite tries

[vestal pine]

and infinite crushers, really

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/violin-tiny-cute-gif-15898508

[frozen glen]

man they should patch it so you can dodge out of rev

[solar gorge]

what a great idea!

[frozen glen]

im better than u

[gleaming hawk]

Immo nades are alright but I can't justify the point cost over right path most times, soulblaze is aight. Burn and uncanny strike bleed are meh.

[vestal pine]

man they should patch it to keep the crit status if you cancel it midway

[frozen glen]

so you can crit oneshot the crusher at 50% hp

[lusty turtle]

i take immo nades if i can't be bothered to fight bullwarks

[solar gorge]

i have immos everywhere except on my thammer build

they're too good to pass

[vestal pine]

oh well

wonder when they'll nerf vet

[ashen quartz]

right side talents are so nice though

[gleaming hawk]

They're very easy to pass for me, too many points when the right path is superior and throwing knives are decently useful for the most worrying threats

[vestal pine]

they already got the boot from survivalist nerf so they'll whine regardless

[ashen quartz]

survivalist isn't even that bad it just doesn't completely trivialize ammo anymore lol

[vestal pine]

oh i think its great

[north sedge]

You don't need ammo when you can krak everything

[solar gorge]

it still trivialize ammo econ btw

[ashen quartz]

i groan when i see a plasma gun in a lobby rn

[vestal pine]

doesnt mean vets will whine

[ashen quartz]

still butthurt over the nerfs that came with the talent tree update (not being able to clear entire rooms on their own in like 8 seconds)

[vestal pine]

you absolutely dont need onslaught when you can krak everything that it cant

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/energy-vampire-colin-robinson-wampir-energetyczny-energy-vampire-gif-27564016

[vestal pine]

ill take that as a yes

[placid fiber]

Skele! How many mountain shrines is enough? I have, uh, ~15 currently in this rorr run. :3

[lusty turtle]

15 sounds good

[gleaming hawk]

The eyes clearly show they're a mutant/heretic and need to be put down.

[placid fiber]

I think I, personally, want ~40

[vestal pine]

no it shows its a rogue psyker that is now about to get their brain explode

[lusty turtle]

oh ye

dunno if u guys have tried it yet but the stumm nades should count for the shockmaul specific buffs like electrocute

[solar gorge]

neat

[vestal pine]

well

smite does

so theres that

does it apply electric debuff now, neat

[gleaming hawk]

Smite buff when?

[serene geyser]

what buildyou using for shock maul

[lusty turtle]

haven't got around to using one on live yet

[vestal pine]

i think it can run on everything tbh

[lusty turtle]

been too busy fucking around with the bolter n accatrans

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shocked-shocking-gif-14682087

[vestal pine]

fotf has less merit on it now probably since its like, 90% carapace pen

[serene geyser]

rn im just trying swapping my crusher out for a shock maul with the blazing piety build linked in pinned but idk if that's really how the weapon shines

it's really fun tho

[gleaming hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-emperor-palpatine-lightning-attack-power-gif-17421473

[vestal pine]

welp

[south folio]

i run a crit build on it as well

[serene geyser]

i also got the block stuns enemies blessing but idk if its good / how to actually use it

do i just block on that sound cue for being hit

[frozen glen]

you just block as the enemy's about to hit

or spam blockkk

[frosty herald]

Cant wait for space marine 2 and sparking zero to release

[solar gorge]

with the awesome servers we got, it seems to proc on blocking regardless if it's timed or not

at least I have experienced that many times

[gleaming hawk]

working as intended, trust

[vestal pine]

potential vet nerf comes aroudn in october

jesus cant wait

[gleaming hawk]

Does Vet need a nerf or just plasma and VoC

[vestal pine]

im on former

[north sedge]

While there's some things that could use toning down, he's mostly just angy baby

[gleaming hawk]

I think Vet is fine without VoC and plasma.

[drowsy steppe]

yes

[lusty turtle]

plasma nerf and a general CDR nerf

are whats needed tbh

[south folio]

and the general tune down of things i'd like

[vestal pine]

i dont think its fine
it goes from stupidly best with plasma/VoC to great without

[lusty turtle]

CDR isn't an exclusivley vet issue, i loved playing ogryn for penances and literally never having taunt be on cooldown due to elite kill CDR

[hushed knoll]

Hello skelly owo notices u nuzzles

[lusty turtle]

stan what

also hello

[south folio]

come on, nuzzle him back

[lusty turtle]

no

[hushed knoll]

Sorry im just feeling very owo today uwu chan desu

[gleaming hawk]

imo he isn't that great without those tools

[hushed knoll]

Dive into a pool filled with spicy cheetos

[south folio]

you wish death upon me

[lusty turtle]

based

[frosty herald]

Whats considered elite

[south folio]

skele???

[hushed knoll]

Can cheetos technically be used as squirting tools

Writing

Jeez

[frosty herald]

Fatshark enemy designation is confusing

[hushed knoll]

Writing tools cuz they have powder

[drowsy steppe]

oh my

[gleaming hawk]

Specials grab you, elites stab/shoot you

generally

[lusty turtle]

its got CDR on elite kills (elites are anything that can be tagged that can idle spawn, or spawn as part of hordes)

so maulers, ragers, heavy gunners and the ogryn enemies

[frosty herald]

The fuck

Ragers are elite

[lusty turtle]

yes

[gleaming hawk]

Yes

[lusty turtle]

you can tag them

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[vestal pine]

imho he still is a beast without

[drowsy steppe]

gee if only you play DT yamato

😔

[frosty herald]

Smh

[hushed knoll]

I want reece's cups to giggle when they take their panties off

[gleaming hawk]

If they kill you, they elite. If they capture you, they special (very special, judging by their salivating noises)

[frosty herald]

I almost never tag and only look at armor type

[lusty turtle]

its how gunlugger ogryn can average a like

20 second cooldown on an 80 second cooldown ability

[frosty herald]

All of the specialists are neatly bundled together

[drowsy steppe]

huh

[vestal pine]

eh taunt has its own cooldown reduction

anyway its a great cdr node

[lusty turtle]

but ofc this is just an outlier, no one would ever gunlugger ult into a group of elites and instantly get gunlugger ult back

[south folio]

they would never

[drowsy steppe]

lmao

[lusty turtle]

CDR is healthy and doesn't skew balance in any way ofc

[drowsy steppe]

tactical awareness moment

[gleaming hawk]

They could easily fix it by removing cooldowns entirely, obviously

[south folio]

my ogryns all have moral inhibitions unlike josho
they will be good little boys and never abuse it

[north sedge]

I know

[lusty turtle]

its not like shout is broken on auric dam because you only need to kill 5 specials from the wave of 8 specials that just spawned to instantly have it available again

[hushed knoll]

NO YOU DON'T KNOW

😠

I want to make mayo encrusted chicken tonight

[drowsy steppe]

🙂

[north sedge]

Real footage of stan

[lusty turtle]

honestly the ogryn ones are the worst, even the colldown boost node under BLO lets you average 15 second cooldown on lugger without even needing to kill elites

[spare dome]

even better, you only need two and a half to maintain 100% gold uptime lol

[lusty turtle]

yup

CDR needs to die

[spare dome]

nah just some of it

... a lot of it

curio is fine tho yknow

[lusty turtle]

[north sedge]

all cdr is to be replaced by martyr's purpose, which will be nerfed to half of its current value

[spare dome]

like why is psykers best aura just a blue node with team cdr lol

[silent hull]

Hey guys I need some advice on zealot after the chastise ranged changes. I often ran weapons like axes, devil claws and heavy swords with chastise to let my braced autos and stuff deal with armor. What's the new popular build now?

[drowsy steppe]

axes devil claws hswords with chastise and your ranged weapon of choice

[frozen glen]

combat axes

[spare dome]

you can keep doing the same thing, just hit them with your melee when you ult instead

[frozen glen]

chain axes if you want to delete crushers in particular

[drowsy steppe]

heavy swords if you wanna be cool like me

[frozen glen]

only the most popular zealot melee

yea mal

[drowsy steppe]

🙂

[frozen glen]

what the fuck is with the invisible wall on the right in hab dreyko

FATSHARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frosty herald]

unplayable

will be asking for a refund

[vestal pine]

fatshark being competant

(they will nerf vet)

[placid fiber]

Are you guys ready to see how intense these teleporter fights are, with like... 25 mountain shrines? I'm gonna record it anyway, even if you are not >.>'

[storm pagoda]

vet weakest class

[vestal pine]

so let me ask a question

[frosty herald]

No

[vestal pine]

do you guys actually think fatshark will nerf vet

[lusty turtle]

eventually ye, they do changes slowly in waves as any game does

like what kinda question is that???

[storm pagoda]

they already did with the scav nerf most of the weapons are unusable

[lusty turtle]

"unusable"

[south folio]

the vet doomer vs the zealot doomer

who will win

[cold patrol]

I haven't really tried the new weapons outside of the Ogryn picks, what perks/blessings should I be looking for on a Mk IV shock maul?

[frozen glen]

vet doomer is the og

the power sword nerf crusade is still in the back of my mind

vet doomer solos

[lusty turtle]

surely the change is just so they can add T5 powercycler

[south folio]

the indignatus mk3 or the agni mk 1a?

[drowsy steppe]

class warfare 😔

[south folio]

thought with both i'd probably run the same thing

[frozen glen]

the original power cycler

me when 7 charged swings

[placid fiber]

Here it is! The "epic" teleporter battle, lol

[gleaming hawk]

We must seize the means of corpse production

[south folio]

skullcrusher + high voltage/lightning reflexes seems to be what people talk about

[drowsy steppe]

skullcrusher and hv, entropic, thrust, hammerblow are the options

hammerblow allwos you to stagger ragers

[lusty turtle]

thrust is fun on the indignatus for the chained overhead heavies on the back end

[drowsy steppe]

hv procs just by staggering enemies with saul

[polar nexus]

Agni h1 too

[gleaming hawk]

can I just say I hate the naming scheme because the indignatus crusher is what I think of, not the shock maul

[drowsy steppe]

woe mk's upon ye

[south folio]

on psyker, the mk4 can refer to either the duelling sword mk4, or the force sword mk4 (deimos)

[gleaming hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[vestal pine]

wheres chsword

[south folio]

i eated it

[cold patrol]

sorry, meant Mk3, not sure why I typed 4

[south folio]

let the roman numerals enter your mind

[gleaming hawk]

but I'm not Roman 😔

[frozen glen]

mk 1a shock maul mk 4e crusher

[drowsy steppe]

saul

[frozen glen]

chord

[lusty turtle]

incorrect

shockma

[gleaming hawk]

Shaul

[frozen glen]

are you gonna turn that into a ligma joke

[south folio]

redverse is 10 steps ahead of any of us

just like he was when he blew up the barrel that sent me into the daeamonhost

kill redverse

[lusty turtle]

shockma sauls

[drowsy steppe]

I second this 🖐️ 😔

[frozen glen]

arco that was figuratively 8 years ago

move on

[gleaming hawk]

New map start barrel wannabe

[south folio]

two recon lasgun users have been responsible for my death at that cliffside

one to the edge, and one to a daemonhost

[gleaming hawk]

I can make it 3

[south folio]

dear god

[gleaming hawk]

I don't even use lasguns, lol

[vestal pine]

what will they nerf next

im assuming marty

[lusty turtle]

arco

are u gaming

right now

[gleaming hawk]

Stun grenades because nobody uses them.

[placid fiber]

Despite my bitching about how easy it is, now... I only have... like... 20-30 more mountain shrines to go before I am happy with the amount I have amassed >.>'

[south folio]

nah i'm reorganizing my room

[vestal pine]

sounds about right

[south folio]

since i've just moved out of a house i was renting at

[frozen glen]

arco is a rentoid

this explains a lot

[sly mauve]

how good is thunderous on thammers?

[south folio]

you are a hemorrhoid

[lusty turtle]

arco hates me

[frozen glen]

not at all

[south folio]

i will package you into a box to show you my affection

[drowsy steppe]

aeco wtf

thats horrible

[vestal pine]

wanna try thunderous + skullcrusher crusis

[gleaming hawk]

Companion cube!

[vestal pine]

its the only company that has both on zealot

[gleaming hawk]

company?

[vestal pine]

well, weapon

that has access to both thunderous and skullcrusher

[gleaming hawk]

I'm just imagining we're hitting enemies with the power of capitalism now

[lusty turtle]

that would be very 40k

[vestal pine]

idk

[gleaming hawk]

The 1st order daemon: capitalism

[vestal pine]

if you dont use the charge on thammer skullcrusher + thunderous might be good

idk

[drowsy steppe]

its gonna be a worse and not optimal thammer

use the ironhelm 🙏

[placid fiber]

So, Arco, what do you think about going for an insane amount of mountain shrines? If you don't know: it basically makes it so the boss fight for the teleporter is harder and harder(basically it eventually just makes it so like... 50+ bosses spawn and you get showered in loot)

[vestal pine]

was gonna comment about something but i'd better forget about it

[south folio]

sounds like the sort of masochism that i expect out of you

go for it

[gleaming hawk]

I can't use thammers, ironhelm combos hurt my mind and crucis targeting hurts my soul

[hard nexus]

ive done 300 mountain shrines before lmfao

[hard nexus]

what combos are there for the ironhelm besides push into heavy

[gleaming hawk]

That's what I can't figure out

[vestal pine]

yay pubs

[placid fiber]

I am not doing it for the sake of masochism... My adhd brain said: I want like... 50+ mountain shrines before I finish this run... >_>'

[vestal pine]

very fair and balanced

fucking cdr nerf

[placid fiber]

The hard part is, honestly, getting through stage 2 or 3, since you can get insta killed in rorr with the early game prestige build up >.>'

[hushed knoll]

Why am I watching ASMR turkish massages

[vestal pine]

i wanna say good thigns about the update

and there are some aspects to it that are good

and its overshadowed by how the do shit in patches

[sly mauve]

halp

[placid fiber]

@hushed knoll Good question, Stan, when you could be watching me murdicate everything at a very alarming rate! >_>'

[dense zinc]

they're fun but the recoil is nuts

[dense zinc]

I've already found 3 bugs in the new map

double sided faces, objects that arent solid, and the ramp to the valkarie not touch the ground so you walk into it everytime

[obtuse solstice]

what am I lookin for on the bolt pistol

[frozen glen]

sprint efficiency to flak/maniac/elites and bloodletter to bloodthirsty/wrath/savagesweep/shred

momentum too if you want to be extra safe

[dense zinc]

depends on what the rest of your build is tailored towards

[vestal pine]

dont worry fatshark is perfect and will fix everything (this is sarcasm)

[dense zinc]

the last update told me the same, dw 😄

[vestal pine]

:3

[dense zinc]

how much junk yall got in your inventory? my game crashes after I sell or take the blessing off 100+ items lol

[placid fiber]

Welp... I had so many overloading magma worms spawn that I am at like... 0.1 frames per second lol

[sly mauve]

i like momentum a lot but idk i have good experience with perfect strike shred

and i dont know if cleave is even worth it because it can only dmg 4 enemies per hit

when playing the cleave blessings instead of crit route

[frozen glen]

perfect strike is a cleave blessing

cleave is still good on it for higher hitmass hordes

[hard nexus]

thats what i mean

there arent really combos

its simple to use

[median steeple]

heby

[dense zinc]

magma worms? you still playing darktide?

[median steeple]

Yeah he's playing the unreleased dlc

[dense zinc]

ez lol

[fossil wharf]

Man got preview access to the new Torrent map: Chance of Precipitation

[placid fiber]

Risk of Rain Returns :3

[dense zinc]

I want freeplay in the carnival district

[median steeple]

5 hours!?

Holy shit

[placid fiber]

Yeah... and?

[median steeple]

I'm exhausted looking at that

[placid fiber]

I've played for more than 20 hours in a row, on a game, before... :/

[dense zinc]

hehe nerd

[median steeple]

Highest I've done was 21 hours but that's when I was 16 and playing with friends

[placid fiber]

The dopamine has got to be flowing good, for me to get past like... the 3 hour mark usually tho lol

[dense zinc]

mood, dopamine doesn't last 3 hours more often than not

[placid fiber]

I mean... I've started playing Darktide at ~6/7pm... and then kept playing... ... ... until like... ... ... 10pm the next night before... <.<'

[dense zinc]

ahhh when the game was good 😄

this update killed my motivation to play

[placid fiber]

Screw it, I'm gonna switch to darktide rather than try to wait like 30 minutes to finally get my fps back up lol

[placid fiber]

Hm... actually... I think I'll play a bit more Hades 2, first. >:3

[light badge]

trapper moment

[placid fiber]

I've been having a ton of fun in Hades 2, despite getting my ass handed to me left and right lol

(due to being poor at the top down style of game that hades is)

[marsh hill]

a trapper's net going through 50 crushers to hit me from 500km away

[drowsy steppe]

get net cleaved lmao

[placid fiber]

Weeee, I beat enraged Cerberus a 2nd time! :3

[vestal pine]

skill issue

(i hope they fix this but its probably been in game for 2 years)

[grizzled cradle]

what's good for the super shotgun

[gleaming hawk]

I don't know if they even see it as a bug

[vestal pine]

they obviously dont, points at fotf

[grizzled cradle]

I don't think it's a bug ngl

but holy fucking shit

[gleaming hawk]

I mean, listen, just because we as players can shoot through allies doesn't mean enemies should be able to

[grizzled cradle]

those fucking oculars the trapper has must be insane if she can hit it at that fucking angle between two ogryns

[light badge]

fell through a hole in the map while getting cornered by bulwarks

I think that's enough darktide for today

[vestal pine]

our ogryns were bullet magnets until this match

so

[dense zinc]

they shoot through bulwark

and walls

[vestal pine]

idk what qas the point

like

its been that way for nearly 2 years also

guess its even now

[gleaming hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[placid fiber]

Gotta say: Having all these points allocated in the lunar ability tree REALLY helps a lot. I mean... I do +40% damage just by being transformed... Then I also do +20% damage to guardians as well, on top of that! :3

[placid fiber]

Heh, I got killed by a miniboss that I was fighting for the 1st time. I didn't quite realize that he was swinging a laser around that would damage me on contact while it was moving >.<'

[median steeple]

bro thinks its an otter

[placid fiber]

I'm actually glad I am back at the hub, since I wanted to upgrade things

[median steeple]

I love this type barrel placement so much

[grizzled cradle]

is this the new psyker talent tree?

[ripe quest]

yeah you turn into a daemon for 30s w/ the ult and get multiplicative buffs to every stat for the duration

[frosty herald]

prometheum is stored in the balls

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/really-think-he's-bruce-lee-divine-retribution-gif-4015648413477976193

[grizzled cradle]

based

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-10528166394804192796

[median steeple]

time to do psyker penances

augh

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/brock-samson-venturebros-go-ahead-try-to-gif-14270823

barrels defending plasteel drops is crazy

[patent patrol]

So, question, what's the verdict on the double barrel shotgun? I heard it's pretty powerful but just don't use the primary fire often, stick to the special one.

Or something.

I think it might be for me. I love using the standard shotguns for the purpose of run and gunning so

[visual stream]

You just gotta know what one bullet kills what things and from what distance and you can use single bullet just fine

[patent patrol]

the double barrel seems up my alley.

[visual stream]

One bullet can cleave kill two gunners/specials

[patent patrol]

I mostly just heard complaints about the screenshake.

which does seem annoying.

[visual stream]

I think it's INSANELY good on veteran with Weapon Specialist and Always Prepared

My only problem with it so far is Run n Gun being bugged every now and then

[patent patrol]

With Zealot I feel like it's the gun it always kinda needed in a sense if you think about it.

cause Zealot's all about being in enemy faces and smashing skulls open or slicing things into bits

[visual stream]

Haven't tried it on my zealot yet so can't say tbh

[patent patrol]

so having a shotgun that's so powerful AND plays into that

[patent patrol]

In general I feel like most shotguns are gonna be at least solid on Zealot.

just for the fact that shotguns are relatively close range weapons

and Zealot is a close range class

[ivory drift]

What's the meta perks/blessing for Thunderhammer, I don't play Zealot but I like hammers

[patent patrol]

like, it goes hand in hand

[visual stream]

Which hammer you using?

[ivory drift]

Crucis

All I know is Thrust

[visual stream]

Good start

Thrust and either headtaker or slaughterer depending on preference, then for perks you want unyielding and for crucis iirc flak

[ivory drift]

And Unyielding I'm guessing, idk what else

[patent patrol]

thrust and headtaker/slaughterer usually for both.

[patent patrol]

Unyielding actually isn't necessary.

[placid fiber]

God I wish I had something that fucking powerful to use as a psyker. It would make me always take a staff so I could use enough magic to get that super charged ability off cooldown... :/

[patent patrol]

You always want flak, but you can run maniac since both thunderhammers are already strong, so Maniac is a better universal option.

[visual stream]

Not necessary but boosts the hammer's greatest strength which is what I assume most people want

[patent patrol]

That's fair. I personally run Maniac on mine.

[ivory drift]

I'm assuming Flak allows for like, one shot head shot Bruisers or something?

[patent patrol]

cause it already does insane boss damage

[visual stream]

I don't think maniac really does much for hammers does it?

[patent patrol]

Flak in general is the most common armor type, so it's good to slot in.

[visual stream]

Last time I used manic was back when it was mandatory on ironhelm pre tree patch xd

[patent patrol]

eh, not really, but it's just a standard go-to for most weapons

so.

[ivory drift]

Gotcha

[patent patrol]

basically you want flak and unyielding/maniac usually. Unyielding is better for the hammers strengths but maniac is just good on everything for the most part.

so.

[ivory drift]

So Thrust and Flak are mandatory, I'm assuming Headtaker for consistency or Slaughterer for better horde clear? Unyielding for Monstrosity damage obviously, Maniac doesn't need explaining

Is that all right?

[visual stream]

Elite damage is a good consideration too

[visual stream]

Yep yep

[patent patrol]

Basically headtaker is more consistent but gives SLIGHTLY less buffs. Slaughterer stacks really high on kill but you can't stack it on one enemy so if you're fighting just a boss you might find yourself a bit lacking in damage.

at that point.

[ivory drift]

Alright cool, thank you

What ranged weapon would compliment the hammer well? Right now the only ones I have available on my Zealot are a stub revolver and the flamethrower

[visual stream]

I prefer slaught because we already nuke bosses on both hammers with or without unyielding LOL

[patent patrol]

also I will say slaughterer isn't JUST for horde clearing. If you have a boss in a horde you can stack damage on said horde and bonk the boss with it. It's surprisingly common on heresy and damnation

[visual stream]

I would say bolter is an alright pick for it, but revolver being revolver makes it the best pick especially with hammer for crusher kills

[patent patrol]

Headtaker's just more consistent

[visual stream]

Could run an autogun if you use immo nades or are confident in juking 10 crushers

[patent patrol]

Or you can go for a more off-brand pick. I personally run the Kentrael shotgun.

reason being the THammer CAN sometimes struggle against bulwarks. Not because it can't stagger em but because if you do and then charge it up again you have to perfectly time the charged hit to hit them before they unstagger.

and in certain rooms that can be REALLY irritating.

to do.

[ivory drift]

Makes sense

[patent patrol]

Basically I'd suggest Kentrael if you struggle getting the timing down on Bulwarks

once you do you can swap off.

there's a couple ways to deal with bulwarks

stagger them with a charged electric hit, charge it up again and swing

or dodge their swing and hit them in the side.

OR you can swing as they do

and counter their swing

but again, it's all based on timing.

I personally still struggle with it, mostly because Bulwark stagger times in general fry my brain

so I just load a couple scorch shots, shoot the shield, bypass it and light em on fire

makes it so much easier instead of having to figure out precise timings in cramped rooms.

[ivory drift]

I've tried it for a couple matches, I think I can get used to the timing

Just, oh god

[placid fiber]

About fucking time! I finally got the moonstone axe in Hades 2! This weapon looked like SO much fun when I was watching a playthrough of it and they were using it! >:3

[ivory drift]

The last match I tried it with, I forgot to take the perk that makes you immune to stuns from melee hits

and it was miserable

Speaking of perks

Is stealth + hammer still the wave, I remember at least for a while it was and you could like one shot Daemonhosts with it

[patent patrol]

Stealth in general is kinda mid. But I do know stealth hammer DOES hit hard. Idk.

[coarse dagger]

does my friend's cat look like a gnome

[median steeple]

that IS a gnome

bro is just in disguise

[solar gorge]

25g of protein

[tough herald]

Best blessings for shock maul?

[coarse dagger]

i figured it out.....

[vestal pine]

i swapped to stelf after the new fotf didnt 2shot crushers

stelf does actually kill them in 2shot(or even 1shot) now

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[vestal pine]

guess great AP pen comes at a price since like me using chainsword on a crusher still decimates them

i have to assume saul is the same

[median steeple]

stealth is pre good for weapons that can do really really good single target

I wouldn't use it for like evis

[vestal pine]

technically thats every weapon on zealot arsenal

but doesnt work well with chain weapons yes

[median steeple]

there we go

like the best of the best single target dmg

besides like ironhelm which yeah

that thing is a monster sometimes

[vestal pine]

anyways idk after they changed the armor downed part of fotf to rending the most of zealot's arsenal seems ti deal less damage now

[median steeple]

doesn't rending do more

I haven't been paying attention to what they did to rending

[vestal pine]

yeah i expected it so

but now the caxe fotf does less damage

[north sedge]

rending does more

[median steeple]

ok cool

[north sedge]

generally

[vestal pine]

than adown caxe

i think it varies from weapons

generally higher carapace pen weapons getting bonked accidentally

like caxe heavy

heard ironhelm also got bonked a bit which is... concerning for me

[median steeple]

personally I haven't noticed anything besides not being able to use ranged weapons, everything dies super fast anyway

[frosty herald]

he will be named boiled sea cucumber

[vestal pine]

outside of crusher i dont think i notice anything yea

i did notice it on crusher so i just gave up and swapped to stelf lol

[median steeple]

holy moly I don't vibe with any of the staves anymore

[vestal pine]

@north sedge for context, rashad used to be able to 2shot crusher with headtaker and sustained assualt active p sure? with the new one it deals less so requires more shots
i dont remember what samage it dealt before but it was around liek 24~500 and now its 1800

[spare talon]

@fleet zealot
Parent: points at ferret enclosure "kids come look at this sloth-thing"

[vestal pine]

sloth

[median steeple]

do you fuck with sloths?

[vestal pine]

how do you call a live fur slinky

[median steeple]

stupid ass creatures fr

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-angry-gif-23442156

[vestal pine]

a sloth

also are they comfortable when you hold them like that

[median steeple]

pretty sure they're like cats so holding by the scruff does nothing to them

[vestal pine]

cats and dogs logic got it

[frosty herald]

as cats get older it doesnt work that well anymore

[spare talon]

It locks cats up

Like that's what you do to get them to stop moving around

[drifting wolf]

springlocks

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cool-pink-hoodie-gif-2386439513440835628

playing normal damn is pain

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-speech-bubble-speech-discord-gif-25192162

[median steeple]

mfs can't stay alive

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/and-thy-punishment-is-death-gif-13512394209125092742

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/hypnotize-chicken-tricking-chicken-turning-off-chicken-gif-22404842

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/the-deep-the-boys-gif-26305579

the trapper about to hit me through a wall

[quartz silo]

Best perks/blessings for the bolt pistol?

[median steeple]

Deadly accurate/surgical

flak/maniac

[quartz silo]

Ta

[quartz silo]

I got a 380 one and just made it gold and saying fuck it we ball

Think it’s bricked regardless tho

[drifting wolf]

safety net

[median steeple]

or so the tale says

that one is also in the back pocket

[hushed knoll]

Hello correct dime

Iaphas dain

[spare talon]

I was literally just thinking about this

[hushed knoll]

Ciao has Cain

[patent patrol]

what weapon were you using?

[median steeple]

what the fuck

[hushed knoll]

I give up

[fleet zealot]

the one big lad

[median steeple]

python

[hushed knoll]

Hello blow chair

[north sedge]

correct dime

[drifting wolf]

diesel weasle

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-rubber-chair-blow-up-chair-30rock-liz-lemon-gif-4634015

[vestal pine]

rashad

used to 2shot p sure

[hushed knoll]

Doughthony 😍😍😍😍

[patent patrol]

I can't remember what weapon that is

[drifting wolf]

combat axe

[patent patrol]

ah.

[vestal pine]

combat axe yea

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[drifting wolf]

how it feels to kill people with hatchets and whatnot

[vestal pine]

i have switched to stelf and i can murder crushers with 1shot drom behind now

which is nice

[patent patrol]

Yeah I wouldn't know the stats on the Rashad for that. I know my THammer went from two shotting on max charge to outright oneshotting with 100% rending

so.

It made some weapons better and some worse

[vestal pine]

nice, yours did? cause i had some reports from a guy who said their thammer damage was instead reduced

[median steeple]

why is melk so buddy buddy with loner now

what happened

the first nice thing he has said to me

[fleet zealot]

[hushed knoll]

Apartments.com

[patent patrol]

Yeah no, I can one shot now. My THammer is... SLIGHTLY below average so it would sometimes, albeit rarely, miss out on the damage threshold.

[hushed knoll]

GOD DAMMIT

[patent patrol]

Now with chastise I can straight up one shot it.

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/release-me-far-cry-5-crying-screaming-nutting-gif-7759256987725887902

[median steeple]

looking to move out it seems

[vestal pine]

maybe you have low pen and it actually works on your favor, idk

good for you regardless

[patent patrol]

Basically the below average part is 69% first target and thrust 3 instead of 4.

it's not insanely bad but

still not the greatest

[vestal pine]

cause someone said that their marty ironhelm cant kill with full stacks of marty and fotf with no thrust now

no thrust on a belly

[drifting wolf]

release me

[vestal pine]

used to do that but requires 3 thrust now? idk

[patent patrol]

Uh... it never COULD one shot I don't think

[vestal pine]

rending def made the calc wierder

[vestal pine]

marty can i think, since you can get more damagws
but not sure really. everyone has different builds and i only heard about the result not his builds

[south folio]

yeah i don't remember thammer being able to oneshot though i forget what buffs i tested with

p sure i tested with 6 martyr and duellist but i don't know if I had SA up

[solar gorge]

can't one shot nope

[south folio]

well 6 martyr + duellist could

but i HAD to have 6 martyr + duellist

[patent patrol]

I run marty. A pretty standard marty build. It could not one shot. Now I can one shot with chastise + charge and hitting a crusher upside the head.

with most of my hp

[maiden path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kPHNW8kdcs

some yall not like me

[solar gorge]

chastise head shot with thrust could always oneshot

[maiden path]

WOLF GIF NO

WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-my-reaction-to-that-information-angry-reaction-wolf-reaction-gif-27080186

ok there

[vestal pine]

he hit it in the belly for what he was saying
idk how he did it then, possibly brought more damage buffs from the skilltree? hm

[patent patrol]

Well before for me it was a two shot, cause again, my thing is SLIGHTLY below average.

[vestal pine]

i always go for H1 head anyway since crusher is easy to hit the head

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-ban-this-guy-gif-21304842

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-alpha-wolf-alpha-wolf-the-weak-should-quiver-gif-17759401881362908244

[patent patrol]

This is mine for reference.

On Damnation I think I was JUST SHY of a full on one shot

[vestal pine]

..yeah i think we use carapace

[patent patrol]

cause I never one shot to the head.

[solar gorge]

below 70% first target and no +cara, bricked....

[vestal pine]

that might answer some but i dont think its still enough for belly oneshot lol

[median steeple]

please lord load me into something that isn't the void mission

[patent patrol]

... It doesn't run cara? what?

most people run flak on that thing

also it's the ironhelm

[vestal pine]

cara is p popular on ih p sure

[patent patrol]

not crucis

[vestal pine]

not like you need to kill gunners fast with ironhelm

[solar gorge]

oh it's the special kid hammer

[patent patrol]

I was told run flak so I did.

[solar gorge]

didn't notice because i have the comissary skin on my chadcis

[patent patrol]

what?

what the hell is wrong with using Ironhelm?

[solar gorge]

🙂

[patent patrol]

well, even if he's being an ass rn, he did say crucis is the one that runs carapace.

remember, ironhelm is the one with better horde clear I think

due to the wide swings

albeit with slightly less single target damage

still hits hard but

not as hard as crucis

[solar gorge]

i never used ironhelm but i'd still want cara on it

might help reach the bp

[vestal pine]

in korea usually its carapace/unyielding
i know we usually get wierd with how closed the communities are but its the most pick
flak is for people who wanna murder scab cap/karnaks in cold blood, p sure

[patent patrol]

well with 100% rending I HAVE hit the bp

so

[vestal pine]

yeah good enough then

[patent patrol]

Before I was just shy

pretty sure if I had higher first target I WOULD hit the bp

or thrust 4

either or

because thrust is a big part of the damage

[patent patrol]

Yeah on Ironhelm people usually run Flak.

Because it's a mix of horde clear and single target

and hordes often have a lot of Flak in em