vet did get away for free vet players are just crybabies most of the time
#zealot-class
fleet zealot
south folio
i guess because people recognize survivalist was broken (even though the ammo economy w/o survivalist is fine), but they don't recognize that cleave crit cdr was stupid
fleet zealot
they still bitch about marksman keystone even with fatshark making it considerably easier to manage
crisp furnace
Survivalist was so insane op
fleet zealot
next thing needs to get nerf is psyker tho
smite literally got an indirect buff this patch supposedly
royal vortex
i guess because people recognize survivalist was broken (even though the ammo ec...
no plenty of people bitched about it because fun is directly proportional to how many bullets you shoot
fleet zealot
basically shockmaul electrocute applies a 10% rending debuffs (this is what i heard) and this applies to surge and smite as well
south folio
so sad that you can't hordeclear with revolver
fleet zealot
so LOL
crisp furnace
One shot into a dog horde with the plasma left click was 3x the ammo you spent
ripe quest
they ruined my hordeclear revolver build
Hordeclear revolver is gone, hordeclear DB is in
fleet zealot
SMITE GOT BUFFED AGAIN it's insane
fleet zealot
crisp furnace
(They blew up a poxburster and died)
fleet zealot
psyker players after fatshark buffs their class again cause "support" players are dragging down the winrate
royal vortex
i am unconcerned about whatever they do with smite because i just leave the lobby when someone has it equipped
crisp furnace
Same
royal vortex
and if i see it i will leave the lobby
vestal pine
ah yes me heavying a single poxwalker now its better
look i know its a decent change, koreans been raging in their own communities, but its a still shit change overall. i wish they jsut nerfed shit worldwide instead of do this, afk, do that
fleet zealot
literally i'm like, how do you lose with smite and then i watched a psyker using smite LMB all game
crisp furnace
I want to play the game not watch the smyker die to one poxwalker or slowly kill the entire map
royal vortex
some dude joined mid-mission after a guy left 2 mins in
south folio
on the other hand, if you do big patches, then people are going to complain that they aren't doing incremental changes
like
fleet zealot
they literally tried to fight 3 ragers off my body with it and lost
royal vortex
started smiting immediately
south folio
there is literally no winning regardless of fatshark packages the patches
royal vortex
dropped down a bubble
royal vortex
somehow blew himself up within the first 90 seconds of getting into the game
vestal pine
on the other hand, if you do big patches, then people are going to complain that...
true they lose in some way or another
royal vortex
and then i just left
fleet zealot
ah yes me heavying a single poxwalker now its better
look i know its a decent ch...
if they nerf every class at once more people bitch
vestal pine
still quite salty though
fleet zealot
then you get this community movement of "fatshark hates fun" ala hd2
fleet zealot
except fatshark is better than balance than arrowhead (in my opinion)
south folio
because duellist is a thing
and because +50% dr is a thing
and because the top right branch as a whole is a thing
ripe quest
i am unconcerned about whatever they do with smite because i just leave the lobb...
I had a couple games where it's all that the Psyker used, just Smite spam and like, I think they one time used a melee attack on a Crusher? Then they would bubble occasionally. It cleared fodder but also did jack against anything meaningful and butchered enemy density the same way OG Rumbler used to.
south folio
how are people going to be playing crit builds and be complaining
fleet zealot
basically do one class at a time and they won't unite and start a riot
south folio
literally have been eating good the entire time
vestal pine
if they nerf every class at once more people bitch
i rather take this cause lessti ts over in single season. not across multiple seasons with certain interaction between characters get severely nerfed, pub team comps being in shambles and every season being a circlejerk of a nerfbitching
fleet zealot
nerf one class at a time and the other classes will start pouncing
crisp furnace
then you get this community movement of "fatshark hates fun" ala hd2
Hd2 balancing is/was done on the kneejerk of the mission completed data set instead of from input of players
south folio
and i'm saying this as somebody who mains crit zealot
hard nexus
Hd2 balancing is/was done on the kneejerk of the mission completed data set inst...
(it’s also really bad)
fleet zealot
Hd2 balancing is/was done on the kneejerk of the mission completed data set inst...
i have no idea what this means i just know HD2 has had more nerfs and has a stricter meta game due to hard armor values
vestal pine
hd2 was nerf the dhit most people use and then do nothing to otehr shiw
which is what zealot is rn imho
fleet zealot
pub team comps aren't in shambles tho
royal vortex
where is this "electrocuted provides a rending debuff" claim coming from
south folio
except in this case it's not nerf what most people use
fleet zealot
like, zealot is still a great class
south folio
crit cdr was obviously stupid
fleet zealot
where is this "electrocuted provides a rending debuff" claim coming from
i heard it in theorycrafting
royal vortex
you heard it from an idiot who made shit up then
vestal pine
kekw
fleet zealot
then like a good discorder, i posted it in psyker chat
yea i probably knew that
i just didn't care
vestal pine
someone needs to test it then
fleet zealot
i want to mock smite more
vestal pine
smite is fun in a way where you do farm manamgement
fleet zealot
the debuff indicator might not be hooked up to electrocute yet 
royal vortex
you just... go into the psykhanium and compare the damage of an attack on an eletrocuted vs non electrocuted enemy
it is
you just install it
vestal pine
the debuff indicator might not be hooked up to electrocute yet <:KEKW_ogryn:1022...
it is p sure
fleet zealot
royal vortex
the update i mean
royal vortex
the values are the same on a grey shock maul
south folio
hd2 was nerf the dhit most people use and then do nothing to otehr shiw
and fatshark being slow is just fatshark, not some thing to do with nerfs specifically
fleet zealot
i believe you
royal vortex
they are the same on a stunned enemy from the special
royal vortex
why would u just repeat something from someone here everyone lies
vestal pine
and fatshark being slow is just fatshark, not some thing to do with nerfs specif...
god why cant they be fast
fleet zealot
because they aren't a huge team
ripe quest
i have no idea what this means i just know HD2 has had more nerfs and has a stri...
It was laid out by some guy and it was like 5 overall nerfs vs. over 18 overall buffs. Most weapons are viable to some extent, far more than ever.
fleet zealot
they are a small team working on a project imo that is a bit above their size grade
vestal pine
they are a small team working on a project imo that is a bit above their size gr...
fair point
haaaah
south folio
there is definietly some slowness
e.g., easy fixes that aren't done for several months
one liner fixes
but i'm not going to expect them to be perfect
i bought this game fully knowing how vt2 was handled
fleet zealot
like, DT is the biggest team but fshark is like less than 200 people total, including everyone not just devs
or at least that's what i heard in general
south folio
and the game being released unfinished
fleet zealot
vt2 has the 2nd biggest team, and the unnamed game mostly just has concept artists and fresh hired UE5 devs on it
south folio
and basically stuff from back then is still continuing to be fixed (e.g., crafting system)
fleet zealot
but DT is bigger than both combined IIRC?
spare talon
just say you don't like that invocation got nerfed
pretty much yeah lmao
fleet zealot
after vt2 finally gets put on life support, I imagine most of the devs will go to DT, and the management people will be spread mostly to UE project
south folio
healthbar mod + default psykhanium healthbars
vestal pine
no
south folio
oh
vestal pine
i hit head with H2 on lowest pen indig saul
does 26 damage more
it doesnt add up
does it actually have rending
lmao
idk
someone actually needs to test
fleet zealot
me spreading probably false information and gaslighting this disocrd
royal vortex
the extra damage is lining up with the dot from the shock
south folio
simple thing is to just stagger them since staggering applies electrocute right?
royal vortex
there seems to be a case where it does 36 or 44 damage on carapace with it weighted towards 36
vestal pine
the extra damage is lining up with the dot from the shock
its not 26 damage though?
south folio
instead of doing the shock
vestal pine
250->276
royal vortex
the dot is variable
vestal pine
yeah, but didnt do 26 damage
south folio
grab grievous and hammerblow, and you'll stagger crushers with strikedown lights
fleet zealot
don';t react me ARGS
royal vortex
every couple of ticks you get a different number
vestal pine
might be just dot
fleet zealot
i CHOOSE to be HAPPY AND CAREFREE AND TRUSTING
royal vortex
electrocute does nothing without high voltage
vestal pine
electrocute does nothing without high voltage
this wasnt with hv
royal vortex
i hope whoever started that lie gets electrocuted for doing dogshit testing
hard nexus
zap zap
vestal pine
also
vestal pine
@royal vortex electrocute debuff actually does work with HV hm
hard nexus
not my intention
royal vortex
<@445566734255259648> electrocute debuff actually does work with HV hm
i edited the message
vestal pine
red mesa
is the MKIII shock maul better than the other?
what class do you guys think utilizes them best, is it zealot?
vestal pine
probably vet zealot works well
red mesa
trying to decide which class to roll it on
ya melee vet is pretty busted ngl lol
what talent build does it feel good in so far, crit? or more like momentum?
vestal pine
anything works liek crusher i think
red mesa
gotcha
vestal pine
has fair bit of finesse multiplier so crit can work
south folio
i like the agni 1a cuz it has a strikedown move as a first hit
red mesa
whats the main use of the special move? i was feeling it out and wasnt sure when it would make sense to cast it, i guess vs a crusher or something but
feel like i dont like locking in
royal vortex
i like the agni 1a cuz it has a strikedown move as a first hit
the push attack uppercuts dont have boosted finesse
dogshit
south folio
so sad
royal vortex
where is crab when u need him
south folio
mk3 saul is all sweeps as first hits (light/heavy/PA) iirc
though i don't know what its PA damage profile is
royal vortex
though i don't know what its PA damage profile is
identical to an l1
south folio
guh
coarse birch
Mk3 has a weirdly similar moveset to achlys although you get a light sweep instead of PA
spiral anvil
I feel icky when I do the PA
red mesa
the push attack uppercuts dont have boosted finesse
so the la does bad dmg on the push attacks? think its a bug they'll fix? I kinda do like its moveset better
royal vortex
agni feels fun. indignatus does not inspire me
royal vortex
so the la does bad dmg on the push attacks? think its a bug they'll fix? I kinda...
neither of them have good PAs
both are rather shit and don't have a unique purpose besides being there if you want a push followup
south folio
damn both variant's PAs are just similar to lights (sweep or strikedown)
except mk3 has worse cleave than the light
red mesa
my issue with these weapons is like
why use them over normal crusher lol
cant complain variety is good
but ya im not seeing the niche they really fill
royal vortex
lightning reflexes is fun
frosty herald
south folio
their attack speed speed feels faster than crusher but i havent timed it
red mesa
lightning reflexes is fun
im just getting on tonight since update really first time, havent looked into everything is that one of their new blessings?
frosty herald
Havent used the shock maul but timed blocks should be fun
royal vortex
im just getting on tonight since update really first time, havent looked into ev...
yeah
stuns enemy and gives x% power up to 25% on timed block
burnt belfry
Hey since the veteran chat is dead, I need stats for a mk 3 power maul like whats considered a peak power maul-
hot jolt
there is a vet chat?
red mesa
oh only the la gets high voltage?
burnt belfry
Surprisingly yes...
spare talon
Hey since the veteran chat is dead, I need stats for a mk 3 power maul like what...
mobility dumped, crowd control isnt as important, but every other stat you want as high as possible
royal vortex
oh only the la gets high voltage?
both do
royal vortex
agni probably has an easier time using it since you get the immediate h1 followup
red mesa
oh maybe im just blind
burnt belfry
mobility dumped, crowd control isnt as important, but every other stat you want ...
And what blessings/perks would you have on it?
frosty herald
What does the electrocution mechanic do?
red mesa
ya i dont get the purpose of the special lol
frosty herald
ya i dont get the purpose of the special lol
Stunning
royal vortex
ya i dont get the purpose of the special lol
bulwarks mostly
doesn't work on muties unfortunately
frosty herald
Dw
spare talon
And what blessings/perks would you have on it?
high voltage with your choice of lightning reflexes or skullcrushers
flak with your choice of additional damage perk
frosty herald
Double barrel oneshots mutants anyway
royal vortex
if you want to actually stun lightning reflexes is much better for it
royal vortex
grab a stam curio and some block efficiency
maiden path
🤣 this one
royal vortex
can stun 4+ ragers near instantly if you get the timing right
red mesa
what does lightning reflexes do again? its not on games lantern at all
hgih voltage only is
frosty herald
grab a stam curio and some block efficiency
royal vortex
stuns enemy and gives x% power up to 25% on timed block
_ _
south folio
they seek the warmth
frosty herald
You expect intelligence from pubs
sterile stone
I literally just watched a ogryn try to run up to a tox flamer
As it's rapidly shuffling him backwards
Until he died
maiden path
the brightest stars burn out the fastest
median steeple
I literally just watched a ogryn try to run up to a tox flamer
He wanted to give it a kiss
frosty herald
I dont know my most embarasing death
safe glade
Nothing is more painful to watch than an auric zealot with lasgun shooting with ADS in melee horde and dying
sterile stone
I dont know my most embarasing death
I can name a recent one
For me
Teammate hit a barrel
Ran into Dh
Get jumps off ledge
Dies to dh
Barrel sends the rest of us over ledge
All this happened within 5 minutes of a mission starting
sterile stone
I don't record games
Waste of storage space
But the other veteran in the group
Just kept shouting brother
And each time he said brother
He said it louder than the last time
fleet zealot
twin wagon
How is it going zealots?
Nerf bad?
median steeple
No it ain't bad
hot jolt
nerf bad yes
median steeple
royal vortex
nerf good
hot jolt
4.5 go down to 1.5
ember yew
How is it going zealots?
Nerf bad?
nerf stronk, people scream, but still good and playable
fleet zealot
How is it going zealots?
Nerf bad?
We knew it would happen, just didn’t know the day
twin wagon
ember yew
for months now
hot jolt
i didnt expect this
median steeple
A year even
twin wagon
Thanks shouties will go ask boss
median steeple
Why would they nerf movement speed
ember yew
i expected this or cooldown timer like with survivalist (and this would be worse)
so we got #1
fleet zealot
Fotf and crit cdr i expected
Didnt expect punishment being nerfed
And for that hard
hot jolt
Why would they nerf movement speed
bc im fast af boi
median steeple
Death
fleet zealot
150% at max to 25% at max
ember yew
Didnt expect punishment being nerfed
they are aiming at stagger for a few patches now
fleet zealot
Yea
ember yew
like the one when they increased enemy stagger resistance or limit
or whatever its called
fleet zealot
I was abusing mk4 chaxe
Cause with ht slaught and punishment stacks i was bullying rager and mauler packs
ember yew
new ragers animation is annoying though, i can still dodge them reliably with knife, tactical or combat axe or chainsword 13, but slow weps probably a no go now
better just to use that Columbus 15, Revolver or braced for quick dispatch
twin wagon
I was abusing mk4 chaxe
zinc talon
sinful widget
wait whats this talk about zealot nerf? did they nerf sth besides the ranged rending on fury and punishment?
hot jolt
wait whats this talk about zealot nerf? did they nerf sth besides the ranged ren...
since cole is asleep lol
sinful widget
AHHHHHH HELL NAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
no wonder i cant spam book every 10 seconds
mfw vets can murder dogs like they're from guangdong and shout back to back but zealot can reduce 1.5 second for every swing
😔
ember yew
no wonder i cant spam book every 10 seconds
you technically still could do that, but need either a knife or also backstab cdr
sinful widget
yeah i was thinking about that
hot jolt
even with knife, used to b 4.5 now its 1.5
sinful widget
gone are the days of fury every 3 evis swings 🥺
sinful widget
yeah i misjudged
it was 2 swings not 3
my bad
😔
poor ragers getting permastunned
now its me who's getting permastunned by usain ragers
ember yew
mk15 - carapace/bloodthirsty and braced guns combo to the rescue
braced wipes the floors with anything below carapace, even reapers get yeeted
sterile stone
braced wipes the floors with anything below carapace, even reapers get yeeted
New guns are nice and all
But that braced graia has that insane horde clear you just can't get anywhere else
ember yew
im using graia on vet rn and never ever went out of ammo
sterile stone
I always run out of ammo
sterile stone
Mostly cause everything kills my teammates then targets me
lean lark
vestal pine
i hate invoc nerf kek
least it'll make me do careful manuvers more now instead of rushing B
i wish backstab cooldown wasnt ass half the time
hitreg leaves a lot to be desired
guessing thats why it has 20% cooldown reduction
inb4 next patch that gets nerfed down to 10% while vet has no nerfs
hot jolt
so we had to die
ye
hidden verge
what are recommended perks and blessings for the new sting stick? 😄
red mesa
ok so after a few games with the MKIII actually feels like a pretty good weopon with HV and skullcrusher the dmg is a lot it dishes out
but its just kinda boring?
doesn't really excel at anything
kills groups of flak enemies quickly
badish against carapace tho
hidden verge
ok so after a few games with the MKIII actually feels like a pretty good weopon ...
shock maul?
need halp
spare talon
need halp
high voltage is the BiS for the shock maul, so id recommend replacing one of those with that
lucky for you, the two you have are the next two best blessings, which comes down to personal preference
you can swap one of the two with HV then change weak spot damage to flak
hidden verge
thanks 
spare talon
high voltage applies its damage bonus to anything with electric vfx
which if you notice as you use the weapon
is basically everything youve just hit
red mesa
shock maul?
ya
spare talon
you can watch the damage just jump up on hit number 2
hidden verge
time to find that HV blessing
red mesa
sometimes with MKIII i had ahard time getting into the sideswipe heavy
and found it just doing the overhead over and over
which was nice for single target
but wasnt sure why i was getting that
ember yew
Melk, stop
spare talon
but wasnt sure why i was getting that
thats just how the combo works
it starts with a side heavy then loops overheads
hidden verge
Melk, stop
Melk: I'm sure you are satisfied
spare talon
the side swipe light attack chains into the side sweep heavy tho
vestal pine
Melk, stop
fire
tropic pelican
I've found that my combos get weird after chastising or pushing
like i'm not getting the h1 when i think i should be
south folio
yeah there's some whackness going on
vestal pine
yeah there's some whackness going on
was reported overi n korean communities
more stealth nerfs to zealot
either revert some shit or hoping vet gets nerfed to the same degree in next patch within 40000 years
south folio
why would you believe that it's intentional
hot jolt
ha 40k
south folio
it's obviously a silly bug that they fucked up
inner pivot
Inputs are getting dropped, I'm certain. Had way too many "wtf I needed my range out yesterday" moments lately.
vestal pine
because any fucking changes fatshark makes lingers around for 2 years
vestal pine
doesnt mean its getting fixed.
south folio
you can get rightfully angry without making up stuff
don't need to frame a guilty man
vestal pine
guilty man is when they nerf chatty after they said armor ranged down was "intended behavior"
well whatever
vestal pine
they'll take 2 years to fix this
if it does get fixed within a month i'd be suprised
it doesnt seem to affect much weapons though
aside from using knife with charge
so theres that.
south folio
it affects quite a few but it seems to affect only attacks that aren't the first
not sure since i've only been using shock mauls
vestal pine
reports suggest that charging knife and then fotfing makes it turn it into a light instead
south folio
but at least for sauls, it's fine if it's the 1st heavy
vestal pine
you can get rightfully angry without making up stuff
so zealot is theoretically fine
i get it
fun
south folio
yeah
just that i see you constantly ragebaiting your own self
not even ragebaiting other people
vestal pine
just that i see you constantly ragebaiting your own self
its called discording
also just raging rn
just quite mad on how zealot is rn
its fine but its also not that fine
south folio
crit builds continue to have +50% toughness DR and duellist to placate themselves,
anti-armor ranged continue to exist and the majority of zealot melees is fine into carapace. The fact that some "non-viable" combinations exist is a completely fine concept and there is enough combinations in the game for it to work
stuff like FotF cancelling heavies is stupid
i'm big chilling with zealot since it's basically the same for me (crit zealot main fyi)
vestal pine
anti-armor ranged vraks mk3 i dont like it that much, it doesnt do the "job" well
not that it was its job to begin with
coarse birch
The only undeserving thing is fotf jank rn
vestal pine
least the new boltpistol should remedy that a bit
coarse birch
Which is just annoying more than anything
vestal pine
eh i'd wager its gonna stay with us for a while
summer vac is near for fatshark
afterall its just "annoying" and not gamebreaking
coarse birch
As slow as FS is they might actually hotfix this one
vestal pine
if it doesnt and tehy go away for summer vac im just gonna main vet from now on
saul vet sounds fun
ivory marlin
I got a fortnite victory crown :)
vestal pine
yay
ivory marlin
I miss my clown thing tho
vestal pine
idk what 2h weapon zealot has that goes well with dualist anymore lmao
spare talon
idk what 2h weapon zealot has that goes well with dualist anymore lmao
crusher
vestal pine
crusher is goated
time to pick up my evi and put it in a trashbin for now
hammer does hammer things thankfully
ember yew
crit builds continue to have +50% toughness DR and duellist to placate themselve...
anti-armor ranged continue to exist
All two of them
vestal pine
obviously enough
ember yew
it would be nice to get more ranged anti armor options
south folio
yeah, it's there if you want to run dclaw/hsword/etc.
vestal pine
that sucks
its decent
takes half the mag to down 1 crusher
doesnt mean its good imho
coarse birch
I wouldn't mind more ranged anti armor although at least the ones we have are good at it
vestal pine
even after the nerf to chatty bolter still continues to delete mid crusher swarms like 1/3rd.
south folio
seems fine for them to remain a niche
balance changes, tune down crusher numbers, and call it a day
vestal pine
accidentally types in another 0 on crusher spawn limit
south folio
and so that people realize it's fine to just melee crushers with the majority of zealot's kit
vestal pine
idk what the spawn threshold is rn
but seeing 4 of each bombers next to eachother with 3 trappers right next to eachother isnt normal
least it wasnt before this update
vestal pine
i assume it either got shadowbuffed or fatshark being fatshark
south folio
presumably it's the same cap for dreg bombers
vestal pine
scab bomber cap was 4 before this patch
its exaclty 4? hm
south folio
this was the table i collated a while ago
vestal pine
ok
makes sense for 3 trapper spawn then
not next to eachother tho
that didnt used to happen..
wait 6 muties on hishok jesus
spiral anvil
SSG seems to have been buffed 2 patches ago or smth
vestal pine
it wasnt bad during the before patch
vestal pine
"im sure its intentional btw since its been more than 1 patch"
spiral anvil
I feel like it's similar enough to previous patch that I don't think there's a difference
coarse birch
Unless it just looks like moee than it is
vestal pine
idk
the new map does have tendency to spawn more
i think
good snowballing, fun map
ember yew
makes sense for 3 trapper spawn then
3 trappers is annoying af
vestal pine
except noone knows how the gimmick works in the first half of the game leading to team wipes cause noone knows how to read the geiger counter lol
ember yew
i got catched a few times by #3 when they spawned instantly one after another
vestal pine
3 trappers is annoying af
3 trapper standing next to eachother charging a net to you
not that the charge would have saved you in this predicament it still kinda suckish
vestal pine
and so that people realize it's fine to just melee crushers with the majority of...
its fine to melee crushers(goes to 6 crusher family reunion and dies)
coarse birch
Most weapons do alright tbf and forf does give 100% rending
spiral anvil
Heavyswords vs 6 crushers sounds like a chore and unnecessarily risky
royal vortex
a story in 3 parts
south folio
josho is going even more crazy (insane, psychopathic, schizophrenic, etc.)
south folio
oh the third hit not doing any damage
royal vortex
south folio
interesting
royal vortex
yeah look at that
it's not doing any damage
huh
OH WAIT
IT IS LIES.
DECEPTION.
royal vortex
THE SWEDES PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES
south folio
weakspot -> bodyshot
south folio
wh
royal vortex
i am not fkin kidding
frosty herald
My biggest annoyance is the hitmarker not showing weakspots or crits
south folio
i need to see this for myself
vestal pine
it's not doing any damage
intentional if anything
royal vortex
what the FUCK is this
frosty herald
Shart cooking
south folio
yeah i'm pretty sure this is the same issue as before
hitmarkers have some priority
hitting a bodyshot right after a weakspot will not have the hitmarker change
same goes for if you hit a weakspot right after a kill
south folio
if you get the attack speed buff with FotF, you'll see it more consistently
royal vortex
hitting a bodyshot right after a weakspot will not have the hitmarker change
i am only getting it on the dreg rager's left shoulder
frosty herald
Josh you got shadow of the erdtree?
coarse birch
josho doesnt play ER
south folio
i am only getting it on the dreg rager's left shoulder
prob because the shoulder is higher up on the screen
and your attack is touching its hitbox sooner
frosty herald
josho doesnt play ER
Big L ngl
south folio
see if it happens consistently with fotf
royal vortex
Josh you got shadow of the erdtree?
i dont play souls games
royal vortex
prob because the shoulder is higher up on the screen
bizarre
south folio
all opinions invalidated
coarse birch
arco
south folio
i started up dark souls 3 for 10 minutes
coarse birch
you also do not play souls games
south folio
so my opinion is better
coarse birch
josho did try 3 tbf
royal vortex
also you get stunned out of the special if you get hit by a rager w/o twbs on shock maul
south folio
i remember
makes sense since caxes have p good carapace adms
vestal pine
makes sense since caxes have p good carapace adms
welp we're fucked now
south folio
so the only significant boost you're getting is the crit (which is whatevs multi on caxes) and the +25% damage bump
vestal pine
it used to deal like 1800 at minimum
2200
or something
so.....
thats a axe nerf huh
oh well
coarse birch
somehow i think caxe will survive
frosty herald
I genuinely want to know about part 2 of the og weapon balance
Since we got a taste in this update
south folio
ah right
it's because fotf is rending and not armour downgrade anymore right
so no more boosted flak adms
coarse birch
correct
south folio
looking at the numbers, it has high default flak adms as well as being part of the weapon group that gets +0.3 flak adms on crit
so that's why it was doing more before
royal vortex
@south folio with the power bonus from lr + grievous wounds impact you stagger ragers out of their combos on heavy headshot
south folio
so sad that it only does 780 damage to crushers
south folio
josho is cooking
coarse birch
tbf it would be nice given it would let you take LR and HV without giving up rager stagger
vestal pine
so sad that it only does 780 damage to crushers
frosty herald
So funnily enough the pickaxe is now the strongest anti armor option?
vestal pine
left is vet
south folio
is that a light or what
south folio
that's weird
royal vortex
scab rager: strikedowns with grievous always stagger, sweep heavies need grievous + LR
dreg rager: strikedowns need grievous + LR, sweeps can't
at least with 60% cc
south folio
unless you don't have headtaker/SA up
vestal pine
first hit for both
coarse birch
josho i think it is bed time
south folio
no wonder
vestal pine
even then, its low
coarse birch
if its like crusher CC it wont scale much
vestal pine
stelf rashad does comparable damage to a charge rashad rn
south folio
the horror
south folio
but that's normal since that's what the stealth is meant for anyways
since fotf has dash + attack speed
almost like different ults have different purposes
the horror indeed
how else am i to ragebait about zealot
royal vortex
~75% cc lets your sweep heavies stagger with grievous
vestal pine
the horror indeed
almost like now fotf rashad cant 2shot crushers now
royal vortex
on scab rager weakspot*
south folio
next you'll learn about the conditional melee buffs that zealot has like duellist and SA
that you can't just meatgrinder in with AI turned off
or only hit an enemy once and see
royal vortex
grevious is finally getting a reason to be taken
now that punishment does fuck all stagger talents have a workable place in the meta
ruby elbow
Is it me or the gunners hit harder after patch
vestal pine
next you'll learn about the conditional melee buffs that zealot has like duellis...
seems like it needs 4 shots to kill a crusher from base
guess thats just 2 more shots now
its fine for now but ill probably move on to vet
south folio
you can also always just proc duellist and fotf
tfw some thinking is involved instead of facerolling stuff
yeah yeah just move onto vet for more raw damage
it's going to be so joever when they stick conditions to some of the passive talents
royal vortex
hey can we get lightning reflexes to be generic +power instead of melee power
so you can combo it with double barrel
coarse birch
duellist will be up against crushers almost always as well
royal vortex
like ogryn kickback's expansive
royal vortex
scab ragers
coarse birch
rip
- power also might let you do funny kill 4 at once when you manage to stun all of them at once
vestal pine
you can also always just proc duellist and fotf
too bad dualist fotf on a crushe r requires you to dodge at the last second for a crusher overhead.
i can agree on what you're trying to say aexo
doesnt mean it has been good for the weapon
south folio
my point is that you're comparing two classes
and ignoring the conditional talents of one class
just because they have some condition attached to them for some reason
like, at least do some diligence instead of some disingenuous ragebait
come on man
vestal pine
you say that like vets dont have any conditional damage output for doing a certain action, like switching weapons or killing with ranged.
south folio
i'm not saying that
you are literally comparing only the first hit against a crusher
with AI turned off, and only the first hit (so sustained assault isn't procced)
mf
vestal pine
fine lemme full proc it
south folio
i'm not saying that zealot has more damage than vet
cuz i know that vet has pretty good damage buffs
but what i'm saying is that you should at least be a little fair
keep in mind that I am more partial to vet than zealot
vestal pine
lemme screencap what you are saying in game yes
royal vortex
i'm not saying that zealot has more damage than vet
zealot outscales vet if you're getting full value from crit/weakspot duellist iirc (not including martyrdom)
vestal pine
if the game wont giving me 2014 again jesus
royal vortex
but vet gets better baseline buffs
vestal pine
dualist proc would def put it good in favor of fotf since its a guaranteed crit with +50% damage buff
south folio
so sad that i have to defend my least played human class
glacial stratus
@royal vortex are the new maces and shotty good for zealot?
south folio
w/ SA and duellist, I get 2855 damage on a +10% elite rashad on a fotf
royal vortex
<@445566734255259648> are the new maces and shotty good for zealot?
double barrel requires tknives, pairs well with something that doesn't have maniac damage
vestal pine
royal vortex
shock mauls are decent
glacial stratus
shock mauls are decent
which one is better?
vestal pine
im definitely switching off from fotf though, doesnt seem to have much more leverage now
royal vortex
either work, moveset wise i enjoy agni more
vestal pine
than stelf
south folio
the better pathing and attack speed sells fotf for me
royal vortex
i think people are trying to say one is definitively better but they just seem like sidegrades
south folio
though grievous wound has a reason to be run nowadays
coarse birch
FOTF is still crazy value ye
south folio
i'd say agni is better because you have access to a strikedown as a first move
coarse birch
and grevious isnt terrible to grab since im getting TWBS anyway
south folio
but it's a minor advantage
ember yew
So funnily enough the pickaxe is now the strongest anti armor option?
shovel can still oneshot too
south folio
and agni having a more familiar moveset for crusher users
vestal pine
vet still wins the game, that sucks
coarse birch
with ds4
south folio
yeah i expect vet to have more raw damage
coarse birch
ye vet is less conditionak
south folio
exhillious has pilled me and i am now contemplating piety caxe
coarse birch
although zealot conditions arent crazy
royal vortex
i'd say agni is better because you have access to a strikedown as a first move
and then i see ppl say they prefer h1 sweep w/ the chaining strikedown heavies
i dunno man i think theyre equal and u can come up with reasons for either
south folio
the agni has the strikedown lights which seem to be pretty good
vestal pine
exhillious has pilled me and i am now contemplating piety caxe
some insane guy ran vet shred caxe so take that what you will
south folio
since agni can heavy and chain into three strikedown lights
royal vortex
i just think the indignatus having the achlys heavies animations is lame
because achlys heavy chaining sucks lmao
south folio
i'd just say that agni has a very minor advantage, but i really do just like the heavy for oneshotting the bruisers scattered through the map
instead of doing a dooky sweep heavy and seeing their continued heartbeat
coarse birch
did you spell it dooky
wintry prairie
Should I replace it with Opportunist?
coarse birch
lightning reflexes imo
havent tested oppurtunist tbf but ik lightning reflexes is very good
glacial stratus
@royal vortex is this ok?
royal vortex
ouch
swap overwhelming force to skullcrusher
generally i like any combo of lightning reflexes/skullcrusher/high voltage for blessings. maniac/cara seems good for agni
royal vortex
falter isn't great but it does give consistent ways to break ragers out of their combos
cerulean moth
royal vortex
that's decent. i'd swap crit chance to maniac
dreg ragers have like 2x attack speed now so being able to stun them with lightning reflexes is nice
i don't find flak particularly meta but it's never a bad perk
glacial stratus
that's decent. i'd swap crit chance to maniac
the machine god is most generous
royal vortex
south folio
damn lightning reflexes
i forgot that existed
skullcrusher + lightning reflexes time
south folio
OwO
solar gorge
sc + lightning reflexes on the indignatus has been my setup so far and it's p good
royal vortex
this is also not that
coarse birch
skullcrusher + lightning reflexes time
this is what i run
p good
although skullcrusher is generally good
80% is funny
solar gorge
still a shame you have to interact with the brunt+hadron casino
i almost gave up building smaul
vestal pine
hm
even for irohlem
the new fotf seems to deal less damage
thats fun.
weird gimmick also
south folio
huh no wonder my darktide has been quiet
it's been set to like 10% in my volume mixer for some reason
now i can hear stuff
solar gorge
i refuse to temper with my volume slider when it comes to dt, i can barely hear my friends talking over the game's sound
south folio
yeah
coarse birch
how tf
coarse birch
yeah i do have all you guys set to 200 for a reason
solar gorge
dt is a loud game
coarse birch
is your headset plugged in all the way
south folio
i've always played by sight so it wasn't a big deal
south folio
is your headset plugged in all the way
be quiet you
coarse birch
was it not
south folio
it was
coarse birch
awfully hostile then
vestal pine
hmmmmmmmmmm
more i think about this more i think this is just a all big ruse to play knife zealot. hm
oh well
ember yew
did you seriously buy the destiny 2 bundle
royal vortex
polar nexus
more i think about this more i think this is just a all big ruse to play knife z...
Considering I have not been playing something else than piety / stealth knife or momentum chaxe... I have not felt that nerf at all. Even better my bolter has been buffed.
royal vortex
frosty herald
thats why it doesnt oneshot bullwarks
i dont have unyielding
i do have scattershot doe
trail grove
Do Ogryns count as Elites or Specialists, or neither?
royal vortex
depends where the pellets hit
frosty herald
enough damerge ateleast
coarse birch
Do Ogryns count as Elites or Specialists, or neither?
elites
trail grove
Ok
coarse birch
plauge ogryn is a monstrosity so would need unyielding
but regular ogryns are elites
mutie is a specialist since i think hes an ogryn too
trail grove
Isn't Mutie a, y'know, mutant?
coarse birch
i think hes a mutated ogryn but i am not a lore guy
drowsy steppe
Muties are maniac and counts as specialist
frosty herald
full bore proccing on the bash attack
vestal pine
mutie is a specialist since i think hes an ogryn too
he dies from haymaker so no
vestal pine
full bore proccing on the bash attack
..the what
frosty herald
i however am lazy so will continue to use scattershot
frosty herald
..the what
the bash attack
vestal pine
did that trigger it
frosty herald
im fairly certain it does @royal vortex can you confirm?
frosty herald
o
royal vortex
i wanted to be stylish while delivering bulwark backshots
the caveman (read: intuitive) way to do that is to just hit him with the shock maul
trail grove
Ahem
frosty herald
bro think he diddy
coarse birch
it is 6 am and you are delivering bulwark backshots
drowsy steppe
Bulwark backshots
royal vortex
drowsy steppe
Mpregging all the big baddies
trail grove
I need bleach.
royal vortex
looks satisfied to me
frosty herald
trail grove
I need to drench myself in bleach and Promethium.
coarse birch
you may need to raise your standards of satisfied
royal vortex
dude will NOT be walking right for the rest of his life (5 seconds)
trail grove
Anyway, I am going to make a Both Barrel-focused Shotty.
drowsy steppe
Literally everyones shotty has both barrel optimally
trail grove
(And pretend it's a Kickback)
trail grove
Literally everyones shotty has both barrel optimally
I do not have it (yet)
drowsy steppe
Actually I should run weapon spec db
Infinitely replenishing db
For the low cost of switching your weapon
spiral anvil
Weapon spec DB never living up to their DB dreams
solar gorge
Literally everyones shotty has both barrel optimally
only vet with always prepared doesn't need both barrels
royal vortex
hushed knoll
Mpregging all the big baddies
What a terrible day to be able to read
misty nova
vestal pine
wonder when they nerf brutal momentum again
new bolter feels so nice the ammo is great
ornate bone
drip check
vestal pine
after every buff to enemy, AI director spawning vat levels of elite spam, and breakpoints being broken with the new fotf
i can say that i'll be just spamming EP smite until it gets nerfed lmao
jesus its hard now
its fun
clever trail
Any recommendations on what to spend my last lock on?
clever trail
Unsure, I think skullcrusher is fine
vestal pine
its more damage afterall
clever trail
havent tested the other yet
vestal pine
HV is the best blessing imho
clever trail
I was thinking of changing either unyielding or HV to 4
clever trail
yah think I might do that thanks
glacial stratus
@royal vortex Is this bricked?
vestal pine
unyielding is decent
cause
saul sucks at unyielding so it helps to mitigate it a bit
its nice
royal vortex
<@445566734255259648> Is this bricked?
unarmored and deathspitter are both ok
reload speed to maniac/unyielding/flak depending on what u want and terrifying barrage to both barrels
glacial stratus
reload speed to maniac/unyielding/flak depending on what u want and terrifying b...
I trust you are pleased. Varlet
cerulean moth
honestly I don't think deathsplitter is that good on it
cerulean moth
It looks...goated.
Ive found some consistent useage with fullbore. Shoting the barrel once to prock reload and then double blasing shit. Helps with bosses and stunned bullwalks. Already oneshot everything else with double shot after the fact
trail grove
I must build my Mini Kickback.
frosty herald
Ive found some consistent useage with fullbore. Shoting the barrel once to prock...
is your dumbass coming back for the itemization update?
west trench
the boomstick is fun but I need to figure out blessings
sterile stone
Feed him a cold can of beans
frosty herald
both barrels and scattershot is very solid
faint vapor
Speedloader + Scattershot is my combo
cerulean moth
is your dumbass coming back for the itemization update?
IT NEVER LEFT BABYYYY
frosty herald
cerulean moth
https://tenor.com/view/shikanoko-nokonoko-koshitantan-my-deer-friend-nokotan-ani...
What does this mean
fast tiger
something something australia
cerulean moth
Silence American
fast tiger
fast tiger
what’s the difference between 68% and 80% on the stat screen
assuming you have showmerealstats mods I guess
ember yew
did they nerf the tactical axe?
How so? I'm still obliterating with both Tax2 and Tax4
cant see the difference pre-patch and post-patch
ember yew
is this worth building ?
It doesnt really matter (with such value, its not 30 or something) as long as you put Flak + Unarmoured on it
BM/Headtaker
alternative Flak/Maniac
ember yew
despair. no brutal moment <:Hestia_WTF:1243216927699112085>
you can even use brutal momentum 1-2 if you managed to buy blue combat axe with BM from Brunt shop
the core mechanics of the ability wont change
fast tiger
but my 7.5% weak spot damage
ember yew
serene sigil
dont play alot of zealot, which is the go fast knife?
vocal pulsar
dont play alot of zealot, which is the go fast knife?
not knife
fast tiger
either combat blade
cunning knoll
mk3 good
fleet zealot
Free me from the mutant kindred
trail grove
Hmmm...
fast tiger
Free me from the mutant kindred
😮
fleet zealot
Mk3 single target heavies and push attacks mk6. More generalist use for slightly less single target
fast tiger
ferret making the :0 face
trail grove
I want to keep Unarmoured (because I'm saving for Manstopper), so what Perk should I replace Infested with?
trail grove
I was thinking of more Crit chance.
slate dragon
Does the special on the new shock mauls count as staggering?
fast tiger
5% base crit chance + 60% from scattershot you’re gonna be fine realistically
trail grove
5% base crit chance + 60% from scattershot you’re gonna be fine realistically
Add Blazing Piety to the mix.
fast tiger
so yeah you’re fine lol
trail grove
CRITAKING, HERE WE GO
fast tiger
people aren’t exactly ecstatic about the crit cdr change so it’s not as easy to assume people are using blazing piety
vital pumice
I have never hated dreg shooters more in my life
I don't wanna pay the Toughness Tax
west trench
so what's the (lack of ) consensus regarding blessings on the new shock sticks?
fleet fractal
so what's the (lack of ) consensus regarding blessings on the new shock sticks?
relax bro the update was released two days ago let ppl play with them first
tropic violet
So has anyone actually completed shocking stuff solo because I've been trying all day and it's making me genuinely hate this game
south folio
i got it through a pub's stun nade though i imagine that's a rare event
fleet fractal
So has anyone actually completed shocking stuff solo because I've been trying al...
shocking stuff?
is that like a penance
proud kraken
this dude purple
fleet fractal
this dude purple
that's clearly magenta
fleet zealot
vestal pine
fleet zealot
Relic is fine as a proactive or reactive tool
vestal pine
god fucking dammit do i really need to spam bolter now
fleet zealot
You just can’t spam it
cunning knoll
So has anyone actually completed shocking stuff solo because I've been trying al...
Yes
the carnival
with the coloseum
There's an infinite horde at the very beginning
ask people to not kill anything and they might not
i did it with 1 random and 2 bots so i got lucky
cunning knoll
is that like a penance
kill 40 stun grenaded dudes in 10 seconds
ornate bone
So has anyone actually completed shocking stuff solo because I've been trying al...
no i did it with a friends help :3
tropic violet
no i did it with a friends help :3
My friends all hate this game, I've been trying it in pubs but I'm getting matched up with professionals that kill everything before the grenade even detonates
tropic violet
Yes
the carnival
with the coloseum
There's an infinite horde at the very beginni...
Will try that once the maps in rotation
fleet fractal
those are fuckin cats
fleet fractal
kill 40 stun grenaded dudes in 10 seconds
o ye that one
fleet fractal
No they are ferrets, that aren’t fucking
weird way to spell cats
fleet fractal
a cat
ornate bone
cats
ornate bone
alt+f4
cunning knoll
You ball
vast basin
dont get caught in that situation
ornate bone
which maps have the fewest possiblemonster spawns
visual stream
so how do you deal with this situation
Did you get overheaded right before this screenshot
fleet fractal
so how do you deal with this situation
if only you had a psyker with smite @green yacht
ornate bone
i was using smite for a penance
the most boring shit in any game ever
i dont understand how people actually like it
vestal pine
Did you get overheaded right before this screenshot
dodged, got overhead cause hitreg anyway so decided to screencap.
quaint verge
i was using smite for a penance
Morta? 
vestal pine
obviosuly fair and balance
vestal pine
i dont understand how people actually like it
i like it cause they nerf the ones i actually like until i dont like it
