Trahs either way
#zealot-class
neat drum
zinc talon
and then once you've used a couple weapons and know what you want your playstyle to b e
neat drum
Mostnfo the stuff you get pre 30 is trash
zinc talon
orange yourself 3 curios towards that playstyle
ionic spear
funny to ssee a 270 that bad
zinc talon
heh I mean I like it
it's very almost exactly middle of the road
it'd be a useful test weapon to compare against 80%s later on
to see how much this stat or that stat really affects the swing
what tier missions are you running and feeling comfortable start to finish in
zinc talon
that's where it really starts to ramp up yeah
a thing to know goin forward, the biggest difficulty jump going to the next rank higher is that the enemies move faster, so they chase you down in less time, and their swing animations are quicker, so you have less time to block
it becomes a reaction time challenge more than anything
the flipside is, going back down a rank to take some pressure off makes you feel like you're a demigod
cuz you're used to the faster pace of combat
so if you fail a 4, run a 3 and you'll be bonking the best on the team
zinc talon
brunt giveth, and brunt taketh away
haughty haven
im decent on psyker able to do auric damn but zealot just feels so weird
weird take
zinc talon
which weapon have you been using on the zealot
haughty haven
i'm good with psyker too but that shit's like 3 addy hits and your dunnn
zinc talon
that's a big impact on how you fight
haughty haven
yeee psyker is enemies are lava, zealot is face first into situations you'd normally die in as psyker
ionic spear
evi , thammer and whatever i can get from emp gift
spare talon
thunder hammer is really not an easy weapon for general play
like that shit is hard ngl
zinc talon
if you have an eviscerator mark 15 (XV) that's a great place to start
the light attacks are horizontal, heavies are overhead single targets
haughty haven
zinc talon
the weapon feels really organic to use
haughty haven
i'm still tryna perfect the sideswipe heavy
btw i kinda miss the cleave from wrath
it's alot safer
it only staggers shit but it staggers alot more shit
haughty haven
š
spare talon
no way
ive always wanted the
zinc talon
but yall
spare talon
you gotta show some gameplay off
zinc talon
then I got the
spare talon
can you do the thing where it
zinc talon
dammit, same screenshot
well it did it to the b lue too it was funny you may now laugh comedy was achieved
haughty haven
this is singlehandedly the most hilarious convo ever had in any warhammer related discord
zinc talon
haughty haven
ever
zinc talon
I was tired of living that lie
spare talon
shame.... shame...
spare talon
also 
zinc talon
I want to come clean about th-wow youreally can't use that phrase anymore
spare talon
lmao
zinc talon
falter seems like it'd be nice
but it doesn't actually dink the stuff you want to jostle
maulers and crushers and the like
spare talon
and high voltage literally is a blessing
zinc talon
everything else was already gonna stagger anyway
haven't seen that one once
think I'm gonna blue all the brunt's I get just in the hopes
spare talon
zinc talon
hadron has been pretty somewhat kinda nice about 3's and the occasional 4 on blue
spare talon
fleet zealot
auric damn is a rhythm game in disguise
zinc talon
fleet zealot
constantly flipping between gun and melee based on sound and visual cues
haughty haven
i'm kinda fucking loving this evis xv
spare talon
constantly flipping between gun and melee based on sound and visual cues
read my server bio
haughty haven
i've mained hsword 6 and the crusher and this is pretty stronk all around
zinc talon
what does this sentence even mean
it reads like the portal advertisement
fires 60% more bullet per bullet
spare talon
it means shock them
hard nexus
constantly flipping between gun and melee based on sound and visual cues
i feel like i could just close my eyes and make it pretty far tbh
spare talon
so it is a much more effective and longer stun
zinc talon
so the stun, is the shock attack several seconds long electrocution thing
south folio
when they spazz out yeah
spare talon
i feel like i could just close my eyes and make it pretty far tbh
i wanna try that now
south folio
it's confusing because there's the electrocution debuff which is the electricity you see, and then there's the stun debuff
spare talon
id just need to know what map im on
surreal shore
can someone tell me how agni works?
hard nexus
agni?
surreal shore
like what is the combo you guys use for crusher
surreal shore
yteah agni shock maul
hard nexus
idk
south folio
i just heavy light for single target and light heavy for crowd
spare talon
it's confusing because there's the electrocution debuff which is the electricity...
electrocuted actually has tiers to its thing
and the taze has its own seperate debuff called shock
the normal attacks add 0 stacks of electrocuted, dealing no damage but still counting as it for high voltage
lightning reflexes and the stun on stagger one add like 1 stack or seomthing dealing 8 damage per tick of dot
and the taze shocks them for like 80 damage per tick
south folio
huh neat
hard nexus
electrocuted actually has tiers to its thing
and the taze has its own seperate d...
wait whats the electro debuff do
spare talon
wait whats the electro debuff do
its a dot that stuns them like how smite does when it has 1 or more stacks
shock does the same thing'
hard nexus
wha
spare talon
with 0 stacks, it has a shorter duration and no damage, but still counts for high voltage
hard nexus
so is the shock from normal attacks just visual?
hard nexus
ohhh
okay
i get it now
one day ill try out a shock maul
they seem kinda
meh imo
spare talon
all stacks drop upon duration end unlike bleed, which only really matters for the taze and other versions of the shock
hard nexus
dont have an effective enough single target method for me
spare talon
dont have an effective enough single target method for me
they do
one has a heavy light overhead combo
and the other chains into only overheads after the first heavy
they also have almost no armor mitigation
hard nexus
okay well in my defense i dont like thinking
spare talon
they just deal a subpar amount to unyielding
vestal spade
This thing bonks
hard nexus
hrmmrhm
fast tiger
thats why the rending vs staggered talent, opportunist
functionally itās like what 4% damage buff on average
hard nexus
gonna need 2 get bored of psyker duelling sword 4 first
zinc talon
fast tiger
because of rending damage conversion at 100%
zinc talon
unique elbow
Indignatis or Agni for Zealot charge build?
spare talon
me and josho were doing some nitty gritty testing
spare talon
since he plans to add sauls to his crusher guide
zinc talon
oh cool
spare talon
so we were trying to find out specifics on the exactly how they work
zinc talon
why smite doesn't synergize with this maul is an abomination before god
spare talon
like the light attack electrocute seems to be tied to stagger force
zinc talon
blue lightning and purple lightning don't have to be enemies
spare talon
so it works for basically all human sized enemies, but not ogryns, not without some extra help from impact boosts
but you can just taze them and that works
zinc talon
does the electrocute or whatever status change that applies the sparkly effect to the things you hit, do anything by itself
is that just the electrocute being applied
spare talon
the blessings that apply it stun them like smite does, and offer an irrelevent dot
hard nexus
blue lightning and purple lightning don't have to be enemies
in fact they are kissing passionately, boobs squishing together, etc.
spare talon
the light attacks that apply them only offer a visual effect and mark them as electrocuted
for about 3ish seconds
vestal spade
What you guys think of the new bolt pistol? Im having heaps of fun with it
zinc talon
the light attacks that apply them only offer a visual effect and mark them as el...
okay so it's just a visual cue it's been applied, got it
zinc talon
and high voltage the blessing is the only thing that builds upon that debuff?
spare talon
yeah
fast tiger
in fact they are kissing passionately, boobs squishing together, etc.
are you ok
spare talon
so realistically its 25% damage on every subsequent hit on nearly every enemy
fast tiger
okay well
at least itās a reference
was like wow weāre reverting to femboy zealot chat comparable hours
vestal pine
spare talon
femboy zealot chat was peak
zinc talon
are any of yall getting by using a shock maul without feeling like skullcrusher is an existential blessing
must-have
hard nexus
crisp furnace
hard nexus
crisp furnace
Vet is in the strongest position right now
fast tiger
howād I know those comments would make it to zealot chat
crisp furnace
VoC, psword and plasma
zinc talon
I'm glad they think so
vestal pine
vet is strongest after the vet mains complained that sealot is peak
after its been dethroned 2 years ago
š¤”
fast tiger
https://tenor.com/view/i-eat-cement-cement-sam-sulek-protien-chad-gif-1099449640...
SULEK!!!!
zinc talon
people should love their class's abilities
and I'd agree with them
but then we'd both be wrong
crisp furnace
Worst bleed blessing
spare talon
you mean you dont like lower dps and total damage for the low low price of one of your blessing slots?
vestal pine
lacerate. knife
lacerate
vestal pine
you mean you dont like lower dps and total damage for the low low price of one o...
koreans never lie!!!!!!
hard nexus
fast tiger
koreans never lie!!!!!!
my Korean stepdad once told me hes proud of me
so they can for sure lie
vestal pine
my Korean stepdad once told me hes proud of me
obviously he was proud of you
doesnt mean hes proud of you now
fast tiger
well we donāt talk as much now because I donāt live at home so he likes me more
zinc talon
OH MY GOD
zinc talon
YOU CAN KNOCK ENEMIES UP IN THE AIR WITH AGNI L4
THEN PUSHBLOCK FOR THE UNDERHAND
AND HOMERUN THEM TWICE
fast tiger
YOU CAN KNOCK ENEMIES UP IN THE AIR WITH AGNI L4
ogryn gauntlet fun for the whole family?
lil uns get to launch too?
vestal pine
silly okri there isnt a aircombo in thid game
zinc talon
naw the agni shock maul
zinc talon
ogryn gauntlet fun for the whole family?
l4 is an underhand that at the right angle will pop em up in the air
but every other attack after is an overhead
spare talon
YOU CAN KNOCK ENEMIES UP IN THE AIR WITH AGNI L4
i cant
they fly too fast
zinc talon
EXCEPT PUSH ATTACK
you can pop em up, then push attack and send em sailing
oh you uh, you're a high energy physics enjoyer huh
vestal pine
l4 is an underhand that at the right angle will pop em up in the air
pickaxes ahve a underhead too
slide and then attack
paul also got one this patch
spare talon
stabbing someone to the head with a knife will not ragdoll them, so as they play the stumbling death animation you can then punch and send them flying at mach 10
zinc talon
paul also got one this patch
I just about dropped my stomach through my ass when I picked up my paul in the grinder for a chuckle and a cry
and two shot everything but mutants and ogri
okay so I get the agni push attack
it's meant to follow an overhead because the reaction staggers generally double the enemy over somewhat
and the underhand comes right up into the head
it pains me push attack isn't on the weapon damage table
fast tiger
I just about dropped my stomach through my ass when I picked up my paul in the g...
wait is Paul good good now
vestal pine
its like crusher attack
but the angle is sharper
and idk if it does good damage
cause crusher did bonkers
spare talon
i really need to use the crusher again
after fatshark deleted fun from the game and all
spare talon
and idk if it does good damage
it was one of the highest finesse attacks it had
vestal pine
it was one of the highest finesse attacks it had
it does great damage
spare talon
and it did the most damage out of any attack when charged up to armored weakspots specifically
vestal pine
i really need to use the crusher again
after fatshark deleted fun from the game ...
crusher is def mindless fun
hammerblow skullcrusher my beloved
also
thunderstrike normally sucks change my mind
maiden path
does anyone wanna help me run glass palace raid š„¹
north sedge
It's shit
vestal pine
It's shit
its fine on shields
i use it over brumentum
but its also cause shields dont get any stagger blessing
red mesa
are mods working, or do i need to do the special thing i saw a fatshark rep tweet about?
zinc talon
especially on the power maul, because the detonation lays stacks of skullcrusher and thunderstrike both on everything it even jostles
vestal pine
are mods working, or do i need to do the special thing i saw a fatshark rep twee...
both probably
zinc talon
you could walk in and paste some poor idiot in the middle of the room and the whole place would suddenly take double damage and impact
north sedge
Special thing?
zinc talon
mods have been working fine for me today
my client was freezing with no pattern for long enough for windows to think it'd crashed
but it would come back like it never happened except I'd have to reconnect
if they've changed something I haven't noticed any difference
buoyant pewter
Damn man I have been sleeping on relic
subtle cedar
man, i'm so glad the tac axe mk7's lightspam is finally fixed
zinc talon
buoyant pewter
Just played a game with my friend where we both ran relics on the new map and we clutched up so hard
red mesa
Special thing?
there was a change to a text file i heard going around to fix mods causing crashes
buoyant pewter
Everyone will love seeing the duo of relic users
red mesa
ill just try i guess and update/enable
zinc talon
I can check real quick
north sedge
News to me
zinc talon
mods in darktide need to be added to a text file to tell the game which t o load and in what order
in the mods folder
nothing's changed on my end that I can see
fast tiger
āSpecial thingā
not itās not cropped I didnāt plan on sharing this but I have it and itās relevant
south folio
fatshark was cooking when they added barrels to the cliffside beginning of the new map
two recon lasgun users have blown me up so far
one into a daemonhost, and now another off a cliff
zinc talon
I got thrown to my death three times last night in four maps
zinc talon
spare talon
spare talon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1255825791023841290/D...
oh my god
zinc talon
brutal
fleet zealot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1255825791023841290/D...
yeeted
yea i don't even have a excuse for that, there wasn't anything there for the mutie to toss you too
usaully i'm able to go "oh there is a ledge there that isn't accessible to players but the devs forgot to turn off muties thinking there is a safespot there, that mutant just hated you
fast tiger
mutant truly said fuck you in particular
spare talon
mutants always being the least threatening specialist
until they decide to be the most threatening
spare talon
flamethrower good
when used properly
their best use is absolutely melting groups of elites
wicked lance
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1255825791023841290/D...
how do u get third person lol
spare talon
with a mod
wicked lance
when used properly
i see
what mods would be good?
bc i was trying it out in the meatgrinder and it was not great
wicked lance
u said the mod for the third person and i thought u were calling blessings mods
spare talon
i meant mod as in like a game mod
that you install for 3rd person
fleet zealot
high ammo, and damage and mobility doesn't matter
fast tiger
youāre among peers
haughty haven
surreal shore
Guys
haughty haven
there is ALOT riding on this last rolll
surreal shore
What is the combo on agni ?
wicked lance
youāre among peers
š
hot jolt
im genuinely stupid
welcome to zealot class
fast tiger
hh is better on vraks 3 anyway sry I have to say it
wicked lance
welcome to zealot class
hooray!
fast tiger
surg is better for the 7
fast tiger
What are its combos ?
heavy light heavy light for hordes
Heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy for single target
surreal shore
I see thanks is there much
fast tiger
oh wait sorry thatās the indi
haughty haven
hh is better on vraks 3 anyway sry I have to say it
headhunter?
surreal shore
Difference between the two honestly ?
fast tiger
headhunter?
ya
surreal shore
oh wait sorry thatās the indi
Was about to say xD
fast tiger
brain fart mb
spare talon
i thought u said flamer needs a blessing to be good
both specific stats of the weapon and a specific blessing are what really carry it
burn requires 76% burn, as that reaches the maximum number of burn stacks that can be applied to enemies, and each stack exponentially has increased damage per tick, making it quite a big jump
cloud radius is actually the flamers range, which you can alreadty tell why thats important
the blaze away blessing increases your damage as you keep holding the trigger, which effects the damage of the burn, allowing for up to 40% more damage as it ramps up
merry flume
wonder if fs released all the weapons in their current state because they know they're gonna get multiple essays about exactly how they need to be fixed
surreal shore
But yeah does anyone know the combo on agni then ,
spare talon
however it is important to know that you completely lack any long range capabilities with the flamer
so throwing knives instead of a grenade is almost mandatory to compensate that weakness
haughty haven
it's my weapon for killing snipers and gunners so i don't mind a lil preaim
what do i want with a crit blessing on HH?
fast tiger
both specific stats of the weapon and a specific blessing are what really carry ...
nitpicking but didnāt blaze away get nerfed from 8% to 7% per stack so itād be total of 35% now
spare talon
nitpicking but didnāt blaze away get nerfed from 8% to 7% per stack so itād be t...
ah true i forgot
still best in slot for the flamer tho
fast tiger
ya def
wicked lance
both specific stats of the weapon and a specific blessing are what really carry ...
gah š
spare talon
imma try to somehow get that blessing
bear in mind, this blessing is a weird one
it ONLY comes in tier 3
spare talon
just warning you now before you bash your head against the wall trying to find a t4 version
wicked lance
gotchu
haughty haven
i have opening salvo
spare talon
ive seen too many people get so frustrated about that lmao
spare talon
what other than crit do i want on vraks mk3
i dont think anything is quite as good as hh/da on vraks 3
wicked lance
i appreciate it but i really have no clue what im doing lol
spare talon
like by a long shot
haughty haven
DA?
fast tiger
i have opening salvo
opening salvo only works on the first bullet of the burst
spare talon
headhunter deadly accurate
haughty haven
surgical is literally fine for what imma use it for
spare talon
surgical is literally fine for what imma use it for
you want headhunter
you definitely want headhunter
fast tiger
well it sounds like you have a 1/4 even if you are fine with surgical
haughty haven
nah man i hit stuff
fast tiger
opening shot is not worth
spare talon
and its due to how headhunter and crit chains interact with the vraks 3
if the first shot in the burst is a crit, the rest of the burst is also a crit
however
the 2nd and 3rd shot in the crit, despite being a crit, also restack headhunter
fleet zealot
this is what beastmen fear
spare talon
meaning realistically youll be critting every other burst to the head AT THE WORST
fast tiger
this is what beastmen fear
what corner of the internet did you find this on
drowsy steppe
this is what beastmen fear
sounds GAY
spare talon
and its adm on crit makes it literally actually a good weapon against crushers when used this way
fleet zealot
what corner of the internet did you find this on
from a native american person i follow on twitter
vestal pine
what corner of the internet did you find this on
any corner has something similar to this
fleet zealot
spare talon
fleet zealot
remember, Watame Did (Almost) Nothing Wrong
fleet zealot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1161095624100421763/W...
i fuckng love vraks 3
vestal pine
Belka did nothing Wrong
wicked lance
ok ok ok i have one last question for tonight,,,,,,,,,,
spare talon
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@haughty haven HH/DA in action
while its on vet this was a melee focused build
wicked lance
do you get blessings only from consecrating weapons
fast tiger
do you get blessings only from consecrating weapons
and the shop and melk
wicked lance
or can u get it other ways,,,,,
vestal pine
stupid on BoN
ember yew
do you get blessings only from consecrating weapons
Also as weapon drop from missions (RNG) and Melk daily store
fleet zealot
do you get blessings only from consecrating weapons
you can find blessings from melks shop and t1-t2 blessings at the hourly shop
vestal pine
otherwise its kinda ass
fleet zealot
and mission drops
spare talon
do you get blessings only from consecrating weapons
blessings can come on weapons both in the shops rotation, melks daily rotation, or as mission rewards
wicked lance
i see i see i see
drowsy steppe
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1161095624100421763/W...
yep its ridiculous
spare talon
otherwise its kinda ass
you are insane
fleet zealot
otherwise its kinda ass
i mean it rocks up to crushers
wicked lance
i appreciate it
buoyant pewter
Using the special of the bistol and then firing is likely the most thug shit you can do in this game
Straight side firing the pocket rocket
fleet zealot
it's a good gun
drowsy steppe
otherwise its kinda ass
no
vestal pine
i mean it rocks up to crushers
its kinda slow but it gets the job done yea
drowsy steppe
its good against all enemies actually
like
the only thing that might hamper your ability to use it
vestal pine
you are insane
i have one but i dont think its consistent enough for me to use it on chaos spawn for example
subtle cedar
3 burst HH is decent vs most things but it's a bit slow vs specials and dreg ragers
drowsy steppe
is not having good aim
ember yew
i've used it on crushers before post nerf
I used Vraks Deadly/Headhunter with FotF post talent update (pre-nerf Vraks) and it was like a full HP crit headshot (like 5500 or whatever his HP is)
good times
fleet zealot
it's worst vs maniac but you just slap on maniac perk
fast tiger
vraks 3 is so good on zealot
vestal pine
i have a good roll vraks 3 on zealot
fast tiger
a good roll will shred elites and specials
vestal pine
i dont like it that much idk why
fleet zealot
outside of dance with death I think vet pumps vraks 3 much harder and with much less oppurtunity loss
spare talon
oh yeah
vraks with fucking
scriers
drowsy steppe
on every enemies
fast tiger
outside of dance with death I think vet pumps vraks 3 much harder and with much ...
i just mean zealot makes better use of it as compared to the 7
spare talon
killed bosses in 1 mag
fast tiger
vet really gets a lot of mileage out of the 7 with talent support
vestal pine
enery enemy outside of that i feel like throwing knives do the job
i like mk7 on zealot, can let me moneshot gunners
fast tiger
what ifā¦. u donāt run throwing knife
fleet zealot
anyways speaking of stupid the recon buffs are stupid
vestal pine
what ifā¦. u donāt run throwing knife
thats on you
vestal pine
anyways speaking of stupid the recon buffs are stupid
is it good now
fleet zealot
and i decided to go the zoomer path of abusing them as i drain my braincells
fleet zealot
is it good now
extremely ammo efficient except now they deal good damage
ember yew
are onslaught builds a thing now
fleet zealot
you go onslaught on em yea
drowsy steppe
praise skelly for the recon buffs
drowsy steppe
no fuck you acud
fleet zealot
it's so obnoxious
drowsy steppe
perish
drowsy steppe
use your patron's given name
vestal pine
or anything PLEASe
lacerate knife
fast tiger
use your patron's given name
spare talon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1256105029169840189/D...
we love png simulator
zinc talon
wot
haughty haven
so i guess the question is
zinc talon
oh that fucking square on the left
haughty haven
redo both blessings and just keep the weird crit perks on it
zinc talon
if anybody knows what that is I beg of you
haughty haven
or redo one perk and one blessing and just live with surgical
haughty haven
streamer mode?
proper gyro
This thing would be awesome if it's defense and first target values were swapped
ember yew
to think
all of this will be gone
in just 2.5 months
if FS will fck up with convertations it will be time for review bombing i guess
zinc talon
? it's just weapon locks being removed, item stats aren't changing are they
vestal pine
they will fuck up
ember yew
? it's just weapon locks being removed, item stats aren't changing are they
your entire weapon library will be erased
vestal pine
? it's just weapon locks being removed, item stats aren't changing are they
they dont give you blessings you unlocked
spare talon
? it's just weapon locks being removed, item stats aren't changing are they
did you read the dev blog at all
ember yew
your unlocked blessings
vestal pine
slop
ember yew
your weapon library dont matter sht
maiden path
huh
ember yew
only unlocked blessings
zinc talon
nope, I know what I see in this chat
spare talon
zinc talon
so basically nothing
drowsy steppe
read the blog
zinc talon
I knew about the mastry or whatever it's called
spare talon
ember yew
so basically nothing
basically unlock as much weapon blessings as possible
spare talon
zinc talon
but we'll get a credit for what we already have, or something
spare talon
zinc talon
and can pick with whatever currency they give us
so we can still get back to the existential stuff
maiden path
erm dont get it
spare talon
What Happens to My Existing Inventory?
When designing itemization, we wanted to commit to ensuring fairness for all players, new and old. As such, weāre implementing a migration system to convert playersā current weapons and blessings into the new system.Hereās how it works: The blessing library of the weapon family will be converted into mastery progression. This means players will start the new systems with a head start in mastery, giving them the chance to unlock previously owned blessings (as well as the chance to unlock some blessings players never had before the update).
Our aim is to preserve players hard-earned progress and make this shift as smooth as possible.
zinc talon
vestal pine
but we'll get a credit for what we already have, or something
..which wont be enough to get any lvl4 blessings
maiden path
doint worry guys
we'll be able to directly buy the blessings we want for aquilas!
2100 aquilas for thrust iv!
vestal pine
heard rumors about it being similar to penances
ember yew
The blessing library of the weapon family will be converted into mastery progression.
zinc talon
wait
vestal pine
if its anything like loner penance or other hard to do penances
zinc talon
they're taking away Gear Mountain...?
vestal pine
i'd probably give up
merry flume
my individual weapons?
sounds like they just wanna have weapon templates that you level up individually
haughty haven
the 2nd and 3rd shot in the crit, despite being a crit, also restack headhunter
thank you for this lesson
merry flume
and whatever you have now will retroactively give you levels
haughty haven
am going to run both crit blessings now for funnies
spare talon
am going to run both crit blessings now for funnies
YOU ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH CRIT!!! JUST GO FOR THE DOUBLE CRIT DAMAGE!!!!!
neat drum
erm dont get it
Tldrz you won't start from zero
ember yew
Tldrz you won't start from zero
however, from the way they said it, players who spent 1000+ hours will lose a lot from it, if it's only blessings that will give something in return
ember yew
so i guess its time to stop doing new weps and save
neat drum
however, from the way they said it, players who spent 1000+ hours will lose a lo...
Probably yeah, still a good in the right direction
haughty haven
YOU ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH CRIT!!! JUST GO FOR THE DOUBLE CRIT DAMAGE!!!!!
it's just until i get the deadly accurate
neat drum
Your weapons will remain lol
zinc talon
oh fucks sake I about lost my ass
neat drum
Just making new ones is what will change
spare talon
i really hope they elaborate on if its progress on blessings earned only, or if ones you have in your inventory count too
neat drum
Or modifying them
zinc talon
I actually got gurgleguts reading the 'what happens to ALL MY PRETTY FUCKIN THINGS I WORKED HARD FOR AND EARNED' section
ember yew
its still better compared to something like kill 200 enemies far away from the team with backstabs
zinc talon
yeah but even so, it'll be doubled up with weekly contracts and penances both
I get it's another grind but we have like, three going concurrently already
if anything it'll be more job-to-job and something somewhere will advance every mission so to speak
haughty haven
believe it or not people usually like things to do in video games
spare talon
believe it or not people usually like things to do in video games
actually i dont
haughty haven
the gameplay is good in DT but that can only carry it so far. The blessings challenges however they present will be a good carrot on the stick
spare talon
actually im the only real person here
spiral anvil
Damn
hot jolt
cole isnt real.
maiden path
hot jolt
zealot class ai
spare talon
zealot class ai
ember yew
i want to purchase a new drip, but they slapped 2900 on it and im only like 2100 and lazy to go further
drowsy steppe
the crafting rework isnt real
you're just imagining things babe
why are you so worked up about this
theyre not real
spare talon
Wake up babe
Crafting changes? Unreasonably priced cosmetics? Class nerfs? Dude It's 2022
Darktide just dropped, let's kill some heretics with power swords
neat drum
before I let the beast out
zinc talon
neat drum
Wake up babe
Crafting changes? Unreasonably priced cosmetics? Class nerfs? Dude ...
Let's attempt to log in*
I remember launch day like it was yesterday 
The big slowmode, the check the faq mod spam
zinc talon
I still remember finding my first 380 shield
I butchered it
cuz nobody had any idea what was working best, least of all me
zinc talon
what's it like being you
zinc talon
vestal pine
when are we starting a petition to bring invocation back
or at least fix it enough so any heavy weapons bigger than a combat knife is not actively fucked by using it
south folio
surely there is no reason to use those weapons besides crit cdr
it's also not like knife lightspam is exactly optimal
the lightspam boogeyman
crisp furnace
when are we starting a petition to bring invocation back
Never
Also remove rending from the game
hot jolt
ya nerf uncanny strike petition when
ember yew
Also remove rending from the game
if they bring up damage vs armor for all weak weps
that would be a good change
crisp furnace
ya nerf uncanny strike petition when
When VoC and plasma finally get a nerf
elfin steppe
vestal pine
when they target zealot
ember yew
its funny yeah
vestal pine
and then not address vet
vestal pine
also the invocation death wasnt even a good patch
crisp furnace
I havenāt even noticed the change
south folio
their changes have been pretty piecewise besides the big patch 13 one
vestal pine
any 2h weapons for zealot is automatically bad for using it
crisp furnace
Low mobility weapons bad, more news at 11
south folio
it's not like this patch is anything unique
just that it had nerfs and people are getting fussy over nerfs
vestal pine
Low mobility weapons bad, more news at 11
question is, should it stay bad
crisp furnace
Realistically, unless diff 6 is coming, yes
hot jolt
red weapons when
vestal pine
if its your answer to have them bad, which is 3/4 out of zealot's unique melee options, then its a bad idea to implement
crisp furnace
October
ember yew
just that it had nerfs and people are getting fussy over nerfs
well they tried to do nerfs in portion to avoid rage, but this time they go for both chastise + crit cdr at once, so it was expected
modern timber
whats the diffrence between theshock mauls
ember yew
whats the diffrence between theshock mauls
reverse swapped moveset
elfin steppe
I mean, Zealot is the only class that keeps getting nerfed without any buffs in this year's patches.
haughty haven
don't really need nothing imo
crisp furnace
You could literally get the cooldown back in 4 swings, then use dash to kill 4 crushers instantly with the mk x heavy laspistol
The nerf was needed
south folio
psyker got some nerfs
therefore psyker is being targeted as well
so tragic
voidstrke/assail nerf, perilous combustion nerf, soulstealer nerf, mettle nerf
south folio
it's so over for us
haughty haven
wasn't there some shit with uncanny and assail too
south folio
can't believe they would target zealot
crisp furnace
Smyker needs to be nerfed out of existence
ember yew
wasn't there some shit with uncanny and assail too
they nerfed that long time ago i think
vestal pine
You could literally get the cooldown back in 4 swings, then use dash to kill 4 c...
4 swings that were slow, or with a light weapon 10 swings but it being done in a similar timeframe as a heavy weapon
i can agree for the ranged rending, partially
but not for heavy weapons getting the boot
haughty haven
smite is fine lol it actually makes me happy when im playing with someone and they rage about it lmao
then i go all smite bot
elfin steppe
The game is certainly not attracting any new players. Keep nerfing these classes is very good for keeping regular players, yes?
vestal pine
heavy weapon's gimmick is that it hits harder, longer, larger areas at the cost of mobility
and if you deny that purpose
crisp furnace
4 swings that were slow, or with a light weapon 10 swings but it being done in a...
You could do 2 a second
vestal pine
then they sre nothing more than a ornament
vestal pine
You could do 2 a second
knife can swing 6 a second
crisp furnace
With the xv
vestal pine
dont get what your point is.
crisp furnace
Look at his username
crisp furnace
What do you expect
vestal pine
i thought it was ironic
eh its not
crisp furnace
It should be
hard nexus
eh its not
wait its not
hot jolt
the knife lightspam cdr boogeyman
it is i
crisp furnace
When uncanny exists
south folio
you can take uncanny and lacerate tbf
crisp furnace
Bis on any weapon it has access to
crisp furnace
you can take uncanny and lacerate tbf
You shouldnāt 
stable cypress
you can take uncanny and lacerate tbf
no thanks I'd rather have uncanny and literally anything else
hot jolt
You shouldnāt <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
i do
vestal pine
no thanks I'd rather have uncanny and literally anything else
p popular in korea btw
crisp furnace
Yeah but you arenāt the average player
vestal pine
anyhoo
crisp furnace
p popular in korea btw
How many people play in Korea
south folio
there's a difference between fast and slow attacking weapons but i have a feeling that people just dislike the fact that invocation got nerfed
and are just throwing in the "but what about slow vs fast weapons" argument just because
vestal pine
How many people play in Korea
decently many but not that muchcreally
we do have a small footprint
crisp furnace
Because if I roll eu pubs in the morning it is 7 dudes
south folio
if people did care about fast vs slow weapons, they would throw in a suggestion that would equalize them
crisp furnace
south folio
instead of purely complaining about it
hard nexus
there's a difference between fast and slow attacking weapons but i have a feelin...
invocation shouldve been changed to reduce a little more cooldown but be on a short cooldown
south folio
i know cole did i don't hear anybody else giving a suggestion
hard nexus
easier to balance
vestal pine
there's a difference between fast and slow attacking weapons but i have a feelin...
i just dont think they got any compensation
nerf was justified, but not to this level
south folio
yes it was
vestal pine
made it "flat" basically in my eyes
south folio
keep in mind that this is the power of a single talent
and crit builds are already eating good
even without crit cdr
vestal pine
keep in mind that this is the power of a single talent
i know fatshark likes to take turns nerfing shit
but vet gets 6s reduction still
crisp furnace
Vet is next
vestal pine
Vet is next
after 6 months.
stable cypress
probably all cdr is on the chopping block in the long haul
vestal pine
hope it gets to happen faster than 6 months
south folio
i want all stupid shit on all classes to be shot in the kneecaps
crisp furnace
probably all cdr is on the chopping block in the long haul
It should be
fleet zealot
psyker needs a nerf too
vestal pine
cause right now zealots the one who is shafted
stable cypress
I think it should be one class per patch so each one gets a turn of this discourse
fleet zealot
venting smite and other soulblaze talents
vestal pine
psyker needs to be nerfed as well
hard nexus
but vet gets 6s reduction still
and psyker only gets 5% on elites :(
fleet zealot
and psyker only gets 5% on elites :(
5% on elites and a cdr aura
crisp furnace
Brainburst is infinite ammo revolver
fleet zealot
gunker has a steep ammo investment
crisp furnace
Assail is infinite ammo
fleet zealot
brainburst is not infinite ammo revolver it's closer to bolt pistol really since it has no cleave
hard nexus
5% on elites and a cdr aura
wish psyker had 3 good auras
fleet zealot
assail is limited via charged and sucks into armor and big enemies
fleet zealot
i mean the only reason elite damage isn't take is because you can't get evasion on crit
crisp furnace
Smyker needs ep buff reverted
fleet zealot
cdr let's you grab empathetic evasion
spiral anvil
5% on elites and a cdr aura
8% !!!!
fleet zealot
smite just got another buff ya hear?
spiral anvil
Strongest aura 
hard nexus
cdr let's you grab empathetic evasion
if you arent running crit build is it worth it to grab?
fleet zealot
not the 8% elite aura
south folio
probably not
spiral anvil
Oh
fleet zealot
if you arent running crit build is it worth it to grab?
what build are you goign that doesn't use crit
rending trauma?
spiral anvil
hard nexus
void staff duelling sword
fleet zealot
void goes crit
hard nexus
without surge
fleet zealot
without surge or blazing?
spiral anvil
Duelling sword crits too
crisp furnace
cdr let's you grab empathetic evasion
Stupidly op talent
hard nexus
without surge or blazing?
norp
fleet zealot
you are trolling yourself
spiral anvil
Oneshot mutants owo
fleet zealot
you are building your own problem
not to mention void still synergizes amazingly with guaranteed crit after 5 weakspot hits
spiral anvil
Void with no surge is just what you post on Reddit and get internet points
fleet zealot
you still go guaranteed crit after 5 weakspot hits tho right?
hard nexus
yeah
fleet zealot
RIGHT?
crisp furnace
Void with no surge is just what you post on Reddit and get internet points
Redditors donāt get opinions
hard nexus
i have it
fleet zealot
then take EE
hard nexus
yes master...
fleet zealot
cause whenever you are firing orbs into any sort of numbers it will proc
spiral anvil
EE on void? I wouldn't
lone matrix
how did psykers take over the shouters chat
spiral anvil
Everywhere is everything chat
hot jolt
what r these words
crisp furnace
Every time I check Reddit it is the same trash weapons āsick ultra op carry buildā or thinking the knife is weak
vestal pine
anyways revert invoc of death until nerfs upon every fucking character
fleet zealot
you can just swing at a horde and no stalkers or gunners or anything can shoot you
vestal pine
not just nerf zealot and go afk for 3 years
spiral anvil
Every time I check Reddit it is the same trash weapons āsick ultra op carry buil...
Purg is weakest staff no cap
fleet zealot
hit heads to get a free crit or just use nearly every other psyker build that crits regulary AND boom
crisp furnace
Purg is weakest staff no cap
Purg gaze meme tier
fleet zealot
DOn't SLEEP on EE karkin witches
hell even purge procs EE consistently with warp nexus
spiral anvil
you can engage with ranged enemies with 0 risk
I feel like this isn't true in the slightest
vestal pine
hell even purge procs EE consistently with warp nexus
trauma doesnt
crisp furnace
I feel like this isn't true in the slightest
It kinda is
spiral anvil
On a void staff though?
fleet zealot
I feel like this isn't true in the slightest
spiral anvil
Maybe on a ciag
ripe quest
I personally like being able to run crit CDR builds and go "wow this is fun, I have meshable components in my build that enable a significant advantage in play, especially with this new +100% melee rending FotF that's arguably stronger than before" instead of "who in the fuck let this happen".
fleet zealot
trauma does have the inbetween procs and isn't guaranteed yet
spiral anvil
Even on a purg I get shotgunned sometimes
fleet zealot
you have a delay ebfore you slam down again
spiral anvil
Scammed
ember yew
Can we get this for zealot for free duelist proc
fleet zealot
Even on a purg I get shotgunned sometimes
i don't remember the last time i was shotgunned with purge outside of the very start of my channel
vestal pine
I personally like being able to run crit CDR builds and go "wow this is fun, I h...
i actually like the new fotf, still quite bamboozled about slow hitters with crits were nerfed too harshly.
fleet zealot
i'd KILL for EE on zealot
like I know it can't ever happen
it's like dueling sword on zealot
vestal pine
like I know it can't ever happen
give them to new crit reduction
fleet zealot
cause if you give zealot dueling sword with duelist talent and martyrdom maxing for 50%+ attack speed
spiral anvil
Stay together
crisp furnace
Yeah no
spiral anvil
But also don't hold the same chokepoint
royal vortex
I didnāt put the shield down for yucks. Get in.
hard nexus
i'd KILL for EE on zealot
psyker with damage reduction on dodge, or toughness on dodge would be so pawesome
royal vortex
me holding a chokepoint when a single tox bomber exists outside of my fov
crisp furnace
Iām not baby sitting the dude who walked into a 100% death rate specialist horde
spiral anvil
Trying to melee flamers but with no rizz so they eat the entire stream and lose 90% HP
vestal pine
so when will they nerf EE on psyker
crisp furnace
so when will they nerf EE on psyker
You mean ghost?
vestal pine
next 3 years i guess
spiral anvil
so when will they nerf EE on psyker
It's not even that OP lol
crisp furnace
Zealot nerf wasnāt even bad, ogryn got decimated
vestal pine
It's not even that OP lol
tbh i wish to see that 5% cdr for elite kill get decimated
fleet zealot
It's not even that OP lol
you are untouchable with most of the good psyker builds
vestal pine
thats broken
vestal pine
EE is broken OP as long as you build it correctly but thats about it
crisp furnace
20 elites is less strong than 4 swings ability regen
spiral anvil
I just run ghost on my laspistol for true 100% ranged DR
crisp furnace
I almost exclusively run the laspistol for ghost
ripe quest
i actually like the new fotf, still quite bamboozled about slow hitters with cri...
An entire ult per swing or two is unmistakably a cancer for balance and shouldn't exist, never should've been allowed. Crit CDR now meshing more with high attack speed makes nearly every finesse weapon more compatible with the crit CDR rather than it being in favor of high cleave. This gives knife more room for crit CDR (as it was one of the worst options for it prior), every finesse weapon is still really well-meshing w/ crit CDR, and nerfs performance for stuff like Hsword and Evis where they probably shouldn't have meshed as well as they did.
fleet zealot
i'm going to use my recon lasgun and focus down every ranged elite, specialist, and trash shooter
crisp furnace
Trash shooter is the antichrist
fleet zealot
and spend half the game untargetable while having infinite ammo
scab stalkers are antichrist
crisp furnace
Wish I could take anti shit mob gunner damage
crisp furnace
https://tenor.com/view/ghost-gif-5889395026730118957
30 of them around you at all times
vestal pine
An entire ult per swing or two is unmistakably a cancer for balance and shouldn'...
..worst?
really?
cool
ripe quest
me holding a chokepoint when a single tox bomber exists outside of my fov
Lately I have enjoyed finding the nearest poxburster and using them as fuel for my DELUSIONAL Martyr w/ DR stacking despite the fact that I often do this near my allies (they will be dust).
vestal pine
if they dont nerf vet's 6 second reduction until 2nd anni im rioting.
ripe quest
..worst?
3-6 cleave is terrible for OG crit CDR. It never meshed well with it, and was counter intuitive with the usage of a knife. You aren't ever light spamming fodder to spam ults, the damage you got was pitiful and you wasted damage by light spamming. There were setups to get it up to Caxe level but then you have a shit knife that can't ST like any normal knife can (usually Executor + Haymaker/Riposte). Compared to literally any other weapon it was definitely the worst meshing w/ crit CDR.
Now, you can use it for single target and get very competitive crit CDR, as it isn't reliant on cleave. This is infinitely better than what it used to be for the knife when comparing finesse weapons.
fleet zealot
X Free them
Y they deserve it because of their crimes
i love ferrets with their little trex grabby hands
vestal pine
wasting damage by using lights on horde is quite a statement ive heard today
fleet zealot
is it not true for mk6 lol
crisp furnace
My builds will never be nerfed because I donāt rely on talents to do damage, I simply will do more combos
fleet zealot
and mk3 weaves push attacks
vestal pine
i know the meta is different around here but jeez
crisp furnace
is it not true for mk6 lol
Itās true
fleet zealot
figure of speech dorn
crisp furnace
No sleep moment
fleet zealot
yea the korean meta makes me roll my eyes
vestal pine
yea the korean meta makes me roll my eyes
its wack
fleet zealot
they really, really fucked up over there, maybe it's translation issues?
ripe quest
wasting damage by using lights on horde is quite a statement ive heard today
This is certainly one of the cleave profiles in the game for sure. A whole lotta numbers right there. Totally is a set of values that you can compare to other weapon's set of values.
vestal pine
Itās wrong thatās what it is
well go argue with one then
safe glade
Guys.. im so sad for the punishment nerf. My poor fucking mk4 chainaxe 
fleet zealot
Guys.. im so sad for the punishment nerf. My poor fucking mk4 chainaxe <:megachi...
IKR
i wasn't expecting it
ripe quest
Guys.. im so sad for the punishment nerf. My poor fucking mk4 chainaxe <:megachi...
Grievous Wounds š«”
fleet zealot
so soon, i thought i was 3 patches away from it getting nerfed
safe glade
Im legit sad
ripe quest
Right under TWBS
fleet zealot
i think hsword gets a bit hurt from the punishment nerf as well
50% on weakspot hit is not 150% at 5 stacks
vestal pine
This is certainly one of the cleave profiles in the game for sure. A *whole* lot...
even mk3 pa spam was faster than most hsword lightspam lmao
not to mention evis
safe glade
Yea I was already using the 30% impact blessing so my agri shotgun could floor crushers with 2 slugs
fleet zealot
the cleaving crit weapons vastly got cdr back faster than knife did
ripe quest
even mk3 pa spam was faster than most hsword lightspam lmao
not to mention evis
3 cleave vs. upwards of 35 cleave moment.
fleet zealot
knife swings faster but that couldn't help the fact it didn't have cleave
ripe quest
fleet zealot
Yea I was already using the 30% impact blessing so my agri shotgun could floor c...
okay i'm not doing that calm down
vestal pine
3 cleave vs. upwards of 35 cleave moment.
ah yes
safe glade
But zealot build diversity got wrecked hard with fotf change
crisp furnace
It takes on average 20 clicks to regen at 70% crit chance on the knife
vestal pine
i always hit 35 enemies hsword guy
safe glade
If you take any non carapace dmging melee, you almost HAVE to take boltgun now
fleet zealot
hsword wasn't even a crit weapon
safe glade
Or revolver
fleet zealot
If you take any non carapace dmging melee, you almost HAVE to take boltgun now
revolver and mk3 HH will also work
mk3 HH will need deadly accurate and headhunter blessings
ripe quest
i always hit 35 enemies hsword guy
Plenty of enemies have beyond 1 hitmass. Look up hitmass values before making such an odd rebuttal.
fleet zealot
but we knew it would ahppened eventually, it was too game warping
crisp furnace
Lacerate is pointless on a knife with that high of a crit chance
safe glade
Mk3 hh? As in vraks?
vestal pine
Plenty of enemies have beyond 1 hitmass. Look up hitmass values before making su...
and i assume any of the high cleave weaponry had fast attacks as the knife, then?
safe glade
What does that do against carapace
crisp furnace
Cleave weapons just did more hits than you could do in one left click
fleet zealot
if you really, really want to use it for anti crusher, you can go cara elites
fleet zealot
What does that do against carapace
a surprising amount
safe glade
Even with old fotf it wasnt that great imo
vestal pine
anyways, it's fine for now
fleet zealot
it has a good crit ADM into carapace, and how headhunter works, is that a crit will make the entire 3 round burst crit, but the last 2 bullets will proc HH anyways for 40% more crit
fleet zealot
Even with old fotf it wasnt that great imo
wdymmmm
vestal pine
just expecting a nerf hitting psyker and vet in the near future
ripe quest
50% on weakspot hit is not 150% at 5 stacks
yee but now it's +25% impact vs. +50% on weakspot hits. Grievous Wounds hits decent stagger BPs, I used it over Punishement on some builds (namely Agri Railgun w/ Ironhelm Thammer) as it hit really solid BPs for ragers in particular. With late changes I'd need to refresh what the BPs are looking like.
fleet zealot
it's not like ohh bolter magdump with fotf levels
but it guns down crushers
probably the best autogun for it
i'm not shitting you i've been using it just aim well into the crushers head and you just farm crits that deal a ton of damage
fleet zealot
yee but now it's +25% impact vs. +50% on weakspot hits. Grievous Wounds hits dec...
true
i'll have to test
safe glade
Well I didn't play it with crit but with the dmg on stagger
fleet zealot
with mk4 chaxe
safe glade
Maybe I need to try it with crit
fleet zealot
yea no respite was the old meta cause the crit blessings sucked iirc
now it's all headhunter deadly accurate
vestal pine
next thing i know they nerf pious cutthroat since backstabbing 5 enemies in sucession is easy. or whatever
gee i wonder what weapon is good with it
south folio
you talk like hitting crit swings requires any effort
fleet zealot
20% crit chance on weakspot hit stacking up to 5 times, refreshing on crit (except the 2 rounds at the end of the burst will count as non crits for headhunter? so free 40% crit chance even if you crit) and deadly accurate is 100% crit weakspot damage
south folio
you get it for free
you don't need to do anything extra besides taking crit talents
which are quite good
just hit and you'll roll crits
vestal pine
you talk like hitting crit swings requires any effort
eh fair point
too bad the nerfs didnt come with overall nerfs.
south folio
yeah but that's how it is
ogryn got some nerfs in one patch
psyker got some nerfs in one patch
it's just how it is
vestal pine
vet got survivalist and then moved on
south folio
like god this isn't some thing where fatshark is targetting zealot
ripe quest
and i assume any of the high cleave weaponry had fast attacks as the knife, then...
Chainsword, Dclaw, Hsword, Caxe, Taxe, Crusher, Mk II Evis. Mk XV Evis had insane cleave values for crit CDR and the lights let you hit a full ult per swing. Knife doesn't have nearly enough attack speed to bridge the gap of just base cleave values, let alone what they get to with blessings. Especially with shit like Chainsword which hits enough attack speed to quite legitimately not give the animation enough time to show you the model on lights and has Savage Sweep/Wrath available w/ higher base cleave, it's just not really a contest. Crit CDR changes helps knife significantly, as before it wasn't meshing correctly with the build it was designed for.
vestal pine
what.
south folio
i don't get why people have to make up reasons to dislike the patch
fleet zealot
zealot was prob the most bloated class and now it's probably psyker
south folio
just say you don't like the fact that invocation got nerfed and move on
crisp furnace
I dislike it because it didnāt fix spawns
royal vortex
vet got survivalist and then moved on
survivalist was a game wide nerf which rather drastically changed (essentially, added) ammo economy
crisp furnace
vestal pine
just say you don't like the fact that invocation got nerfed and move on
what else would you do for 3 months before next patch arrives anyway
south folio
argue on discord
crisp furnace
survivalist was a game wide nerf which rather drastically changed (essentially, ...
Was needed, now remove it from the game
vestal pine
survivalist was a game wide nerf which rather drastically changed (essentially, ...
its fine in my eyes but doesnt mean vet still got away quite free
fleet zealot
what.
it's a hard concept but basically oppurtunity cost has made knife better with crit cdr, or a more understandable way would be knife is the least affected by the change
royal vortex
it had way larger implications on the game than crit cdr did lol
crisp furnace
And force plasma players to think