zealot-class

[fast tiger]

dungeon key is stupid

[maiden path]

i did glass vault and quit cause we couldnt do it

[fast tiger]

if it makes you feel any better most people agree dungeons suck lately because the loot acquisition from them is horrible

[maiden path]

and i read dungeons are easier to get into then raids

but i dont own any

😭

[fast tiger]

are you in the d2 lfg server

[maiden path]

nop

i use the ingame one

[fast tiger]

they have what are referred to as sherpas

which will teach and carry you through raids

[maiden path]

might just install destiny 2 and use the steam sale to get the dlcs cheap

[fast tiger]

oh that’s dogshit use the d2 lfg discord

[maiden path]

then ill just never install anything else

[fast tiger]

tbh I’d make the switch to steam

[maiden path]

i do not want have to interact with some of these lfg like they are friends

that sounds really mean

i can't esxplain what i mean by that

[fast tiger]

I mean they’re usually randoms and some small groups

it’s a massive discord full of thousands of people

they all are on the level like alright let’s do this activity and call it a day

[maiden path]

im more concerned im gonna get in some implied debt type shit

even though i def wont

[fast tiger]

idrk what implied debt means here

like you owe the people?

[maiden path]

they help you with a dungeon

then dey ask u 2 help them

i cant say no

it'd be rude

theres no circumstance in which I can so no

[fast tiger]

nah no one cares

most people wanna do the activity they jumped in for and leave

[maiden path]

hrngh

i think i'll install destiny 2 on pc

[fast tiger]

besides you can just leave their fireteams and the discord channel

[maiden path]

ill get a 1tb ssd next week

because destiny 2 will literally be all my space

i have like 128gbs with an emptyh pc

these are the only dlc that matter right

[median steeple]

I mean the final shape is the newest one but yeah

[maiden path]

im gonna have to use my fucking usb for games

lmao

[median steeple]

remember you can link accounts and have cross save

[maiden path]

das da plan

i think im gonna have to rebuy beyond light

even if I own it on ps

ur telling me this game used to be 68gbs

[fast tiger]

I think so unfortunately

only the seasons carry between console/pc

[ivory marlin]

Yikes

[maiden path]

do

[maiden path]

do i need lightfall

this shits 10 dollars

i can get all the other dlcs for 20 buicks instead of 30

without lightfall

[fast tiger]

uhhhhh hmm interesting question

I’d say yes but only because it is where you get the strand subclass. if that doesn’t appeal to you for whatever reason skip it

the story sucks

[vestal pine]

waitwaitwaitwaitwait

im hearing

that the electricity debuff

gives enemy 10% brittleness

is this true

if its true oppertunist for sauls are extra spicy useless

[maiden path]

wtf does strand do

[fast tiger]

it’s hard to describe you’re better off watching a video about it

[clear knot]

look up strand titan boss melts

[fast tiger]

strand titan is probably the strongest titan in the meta rn

Solar titan is still fine but the hammer spam nerf brought it down from god tier

[proud scroll]

ANY GOOD?

[vestal pine]

golden

[fast tiger]

3ss

[proud scroll]

or this?

[fast tiger]

3 seconds seconds

[vestal pine]

if you're not so keen on tier 3 blessings swap em out, otherwise keep lightning reflexes, and put high voltage on the other.

you kinda want maniac damage cause saul kinda struggles with ragers

but you dont nessesarily need it

unyielding is a decent choice due to how much HP they have

[proud scroll]

which maul is better?

[stable cypress]

indignatus

[proud scroll]

lollllllll

[vestal pine]

crusher is better.

kekw

joking, its your pref

[proud scroll]

I meant from the 2 screnshtos

[vestal pine]

i do like indig with fully horizontal cleaving heavy tho

[stable cypress]

oh I'm a bimbo I thought you meant which mark is better

[proud scroll]

sry, my bad

couldve worded it better

[fast tiger]

classic bimbo move

[stable cypress]

[vestal pine]

latter is better on stats and also has HV, so other slot can be safely be swapped out with Lightning Reflexes n such.

[south folio]

maybe the second one so you can do unyielding + another perk + high voltage + another blessing

[vestal pine]

^

first one should be similar

[spare talon]

high voltage is just too good to pass up

[vestal pine]

but generally perks arent the most important thing on a saul, it does great damage to anything
you're just helping it further

annnnd you def need high voltage

does bonkers damage with it

[proud scroll]

what blessing is good with HV?

[vestal pine]

without it it kinda does meh

[clear knot]

arco

hi

[south folio]

hi zoe

[fast tiger]

I’ve heard it’s really bad on monstrosities

[clear knot]

:3

[vestal pine]

Lightning Reflexes

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-frog-spinning-frog-vinyl-vinyl-frog-gif-19456468

[spare talon]

lightning reflexes or skullcrusher

[vestal pine]

or Skullcrusher

[south folio]

yeah maul is whatevs on monstros

[vestal pine]

others kinda

eh

[spare talon]

honestly personal preference

[ripe quest]

Yoggers

[proud scroll]

not opportunist?

[stable cypress]

Nothing it has is gonna really help it with monstrosities I think

[vestal pine]

oppertunist is bait

[vestal pine]

when the base AP pen of saul is 90% carapace

HV does more damage

and more generalist

[ornate bone]

:3

[fast tiger]

damn everyone’s logging on now

sorry did I ruin the moment

[clear knot]

:3

[vestal pine]

lacerate knife

[polar nexus]

so thowing knives apply puncture as well, of course

[stable cypress]

I wish the throwing knives applied the explosion

[polar nexus]

[stable cypress]

throwing knives should apply showstopper imo

[ornate bone]

Throwing knives should have infinite cleave

[fast tiger]

did you guys know Taco Bell does not get better when it’s reheated from the fridge

[stable cypress]

yes I knew that

[polar nexus]

it can

[pearl canyon]

the highest ive seen from brunts armory

[spare talon]

taco bell also does not get better when its made fresh

[spare talon]

damn that pen

[slender sigil]

i've never seen a 380, is it even possible?

[spare talon]

stats are pretty important for saul

[spare talon]

yes

[stable cypress]

the pen is unideal but better that than finesse or dmg

[fast tiger]

you take that back the giant cheez it crunchwrap didn’t do anything wrong

nor the Doritos locos taco cheesy gordita crunch

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/soseki-natsume-tgaa-the-great-ace-attorney-what-gif-25859854

[pearl canyon]

better roll

[fast tiger]

imagine a cheez it but 16 times larger

and they essentially wrap a burrito around it

[spare talon]

id say thats worse

tho tbf im a very picky eater so most of the things that are in taco bells menu items i hate

so im biased

[fast tiger]

honestly Taco Bell items sound like if you gave chat gpt a prompt to make “Mexican” themed scooby doo food

like the shit they make in random haunted house’s kitchens

[fast tiger]

that’s fair I mean it’s hardly fine cuisine anyway I’m kidding

[pearl canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[spare talon]

nah like the only things i really am fine with eating from taco bell are the doritos tacos but only with the meat and cheese

[spare talon]

wdym
thats good

hammerblow to high voltage
crit chance to damage perk of your choice

[misty nova]

I keep saying prime knife hours but the 13g is also a light spammer

[vestal pine]

my best saul

too low damage

smh

[fleet zealot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VD7HWv-ePw4?si=dqy_TSALGUiE_gc0

[fast tiger]

It’s a difference of like 10 damage

[vestal pine]

it matters

[spare talon]

tac axe
name lines up

[median steeple]

bro is a true zealot

[fast tiger]

does it matter on a practical level or does it just bug you

[ornate bone]

How do i get no clothes

[vestal pine]

probably both

havent tested the BP on the new fangled maces

[fast tiger]

first, go to Detroit

[vestal pine]

and besides it kinda doesnt matter when it fluxates

[zinc talon]

as I understand it shots that get really close but don't hit will also detonate the round

[fast tiger]

youre looking at a conversation from like 12 hours ago friend

[elfin steppe]

But the explosion does nothing

[fast tiger]

it staggers

[zinc talon]

it CCs everything in the radius and does a measure of aoe damage

like when a bolter round oneshots something and explodes, and damages everything around the poor idiot you just turned into mist

[vestal pine]

didnt it deal like 50 damage

hm

lemme check

[fast tiger]

yeah its nominal

[zinc talon]

unsure

also

yall wanna see something you really don't wanna see

good, since you said yes

[fast tiger]

its mostly the utlity of the stagger and that you can make breathing room at point blank

[elfin steppe]

Pretty sure the stagger is useless in this gun.

[zinc talon]

pair it with the other blessing, though

to me at at least, they go together like peas and carrots

magdumping into crowds means every round will detonate

every round will re-stagger

[elfin steppe]

The bolt pistol is too slow and has higher recoil, you can't really do CC with this gun, might as well use the bolt gun.

[zinc talon]

if nothing else you can fire at your feet and push pause on everythjing attacking you while you skedaddle

[elfin steppe]

Not gonna lie, I find the bolt pistol is in a very awkward position, it deals less damage than the revolver, and can't make a good range shot like the standard bolt gun.

I tried it in several games and went back to the bolt gun, it's much more reliable.

[north sedge]

surgical da makes it hit very similar breakpoints to revolver, just no cleave

[zinc talon]

sure, that may be the case, the gun's only been out like less than a hundred hours

it'll prolly change format five times in the next month as they wedge it into an intended niche or role

most weapons do

but I am the original boltpistol hipster

I had em before they were cool

[vestal pine]

grabbing air.

[hard nexus]

its big in spirit okay

[fast tiger]

cat sound gets it

[elfin steppe]

I'm just going to wait for the customization.

But if there are no new Blessings I don't think it would change anything for old players like us.

[spare talon]

Here’s how it works: The blessing library of the weapon family will be converted into mastery progression. This means players will start the new systems with a head start in mastery, giving them the chance to unlock previously owned blessings (as well as the chance to unlock some blessings players never had before the update).

[elfin steppe]

If that's the case for every weapon.

[fleet zealot]

i think they are aiming for 12 per weapon, tho i need to reread it

[spare talon]

plus we've not only see unobtainable blessings on gameslanters, we can see a lot of blessing things be consistently added with each patch in the source code

[elfin steppe]

Link plz

[royal vortex]

the psyker talents that were datamined all look sick

[spare talon]

the gameslantern ones youve probably already seen cuz theyve just always been there

[buoyant pewter]

Yo if I suck does martyrdom fuck

[royal vortex]

the gameslantern blessings in large part existed as ideas before the talent rework

such as the taunt blessing for shield/hammer that got turned into the ogryn ability and talent

[spare talon]

first one i found just clicking through random ones
this is on recon lasguns

[royal vortex]

that one is prehistoric too

[spare talon]

but exhil would be the person to talk to about blessing data in the code

[fleet zealot]

purge staff had a rending or brittleness blessing that never got to live

[spare talon]

yeah no wonder

that would fuck so hard

[zinc talon]

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198045361396/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210

whoops

wrong channel again

but it stays up because it's pertinent and salient and germain to the conversation we weren't having

....yet

[fleet zealot]

would've been zealot flamer with no ammo and no ability needed XD

[neat drum]

No, you will just die

You will need to not suck in order to make martyrdom work

[fleet zealot]

nope, martyrdom is probably the most dangerous build (also because you have no cdr option so abilities can't bail you out)

[zinc talon]

what is, uh

[buoyant pewter]

Gotcha

[zinc talon]

wotzzis

[spare talon]

remember the skull event

[zinc talon]

live event, play game

[spare talon]

similar

[zinc talon]

is there a goal or objective or reeeeeeeeeeee ward

[fleet zealot]

you kill elites and specials with the new waepons you get dockets and crafting materials

[zinc talon]

oh okay

[spare talon]

its team wide

[fleet zealot]

hold tab in mourningstar

press E

it counts from your entire team i dind't get to finsiht aht part

[fleet zealot]

but oaky

!

[zinc talon]

instructions unclear, took tab of E

[spare talon]

i think the final threshold is 1200 kills?

[fleet zealot]

she bricked it

[haughty haven]

smash or pass

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-thats-right-oh-yeah-dance-gif-21522980

[fleet zealot]

if that's your first hammer it'sf ine

[spare talon]

lmao

[fleet zealot]

but if you already have a thrust 4 ironhelm this is just shit, 1 blessing you don't want t3 and 2 shit perks

[haughty haven]

i've never had a hammer but i only play at auric and i suck so it's gotta be kinda stronk

are those the general blessings to have tho?

[fleet zealot]

yes but thrust 4 is the most important

[spare talon]

tiers aside. thats generally what you want

for blessings

[fleet zealot]

how the dregs and scabs be looking at you when the airlock opens

[neat drum]

Don't think it counts for randoms, have to be in your party

[polar nexus]

Ferretic

[haughty haven]

so it'd be useable on auric if i don't have nor want to grind for anything else atm?

[fleet zealot]

it should track withr andoms

[zinc talon]

smash, it'll do just fine

[fleet zealot]

previous event did

and so do melk missions

[zinc talon]

the most effective weapon you can bring to a mission, is yourself

you're better than you think you are, get to purging

[fleet zealot]

hammer is extremely BP reliant so i'd go test and make sure you get 2 good perks

[zinc talon]

or

OR

you could trust your HEART

well not you, you should see a doctor that thing is concerning

but the metaphorical you

[fleet zealot]

hearts can have heart attacks and palpitations

you know what palpitations sounds like

palpatine

and he's a bad guy

[spare talon]

the slower the weapon, the more detrimental it is to have to get one more swing off to kill an important target

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[spare talon]

yaknow wot i fink? i fink i otta palpateen ya intoo a polp

that was funnier in my head

[median narwhal]

Can you get the Purge the mutant penance from the enhanced Chastise the wicked?

[spare talon]

yes

[median narwhal]

Cool

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-the-simpsons-at-least-you-tried-fail-failure-gif-7859548

[slender sigil]

is there a way to make so that you hold the buttom to spamm light attack instead of doing a heavy?

[fleet zealot]

yes PC mods

[hot jolt]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/88

[royal vortex]

guy leaves 2 mins into mission
new guy joins
smite psyker who immediately starts smiting
somehow goes down to a peril explosion with 90 seconds of joining

that's a very fast exit mission

[languid rock]

which shock maul are people feeling, im liking both. agni seems like its better but much harder to switch back into horde clear mode from strikedowns

also skullcrusher goated as always

[spare talon]

it sounds like youre describing the indi though

the agni iirc has very clear alternations, like the crusher

[languid rock]

when you're just starting agni just h1s into l-whatvers

[vestal pine]

imho indig is worse at switching

[languid rock]

but once you've done a heavy strikedown you have to do a specific number of lights to get back into the swipe pattern

[spare talon]

but the indi doesnt, where it continues to only do overhead heavies unless you reach the 4th light attack then heavy, or push attack light THEN heavy

[vestal pine]

every misclick leads to singletarget

indi needs a hard reset

[spare talon]

i cant tell you how many times my add clear combos have just decided to cancel out

[vestal pine]

indis problem is that its horde clear is good but every misclick leads to singletarget

whic you dont prefer

on a hord situation

[spare talon]

its attack speed is also right at the threshold of being difficult to consistently maintain what attack type you want

and only gets worse with more attack speed

and i personally find it very hard to ensure that the heavy sweep actually comes out after the light sweep, both in normal combos and after the push attack

so ive more or less given up and just light spammed for crowd clear

[languid rock]

im in the psykanium and with my agni if i mess up the hc combo i have to light attack 4 times exactly to get back into swipes, and i cant reset into swipes with push attack like indignatus

[vestal pine]

pa heavy

for horde p sure

agni is easier

[languid rock]

oh i see

just using the diagonals, those have a bigger range and cleave than i expected

[spare talon]

from what ive seen
agni seems to be ease of use and indi seems to be higher skill ceiling

but the actual difference between the two in terms of preformance is not different enough to care

[vestal pine]

agni is crusher mk2

and indi is unique

[languid rock]

using PA-H makes agni horde clear ezpz ok yeah

[spare talon]

i really should have built an agni considering my experience with the crusher

[languid rock]

indi has better finesse bonuses but im not sure where the breakpoints and attack speeds fall

[spare talon]

indis atk speed is kinda insane

but im sure agnis is comparable, but ive not tested it as much

[languid rock]

no igni is substantially faster

like uh its actually kinda wild now that im side by siding them

you can go sicko mode with igni

[spare talon]

whats weird is ive had issues of attacks sneaking past me despite the attack speed and just generally good dodging

like it was getting beat the fuck up for no reason

[languid rock]

the patch itself seems rough

[spare talon]

im personally put off by it but thats purely cuz of how much i loved invocation of death

[vestal pine]

so

there is a korean rumor of

currently mobs hitting you twice

with 1 swing

so double damage essentially

might explain why its harder now, but cant confirm

[spare talon]

with my experience i wouldnt say thats unreasonable

shits been hurting way more for no reason

[vestal pine]

https://m.dcinside.com/board/darktide/139356

in the link theres a gif

showing the single mob hittign you twice

this is a marty nerf if anythinf lol

[spare talon]

ok wow

what the fuck

wait

it shows a hit from behind

[vestal pine]

hm

oh well

might be a ruse then

[neat drum]

He has the double strike passive

[spare talon]

but he turns around and theres nothing there

[vestal pine]

hope its a ruse cause how the fuck do you fuck up a single enemy hitting you twice

[spare talon]

but he turns around a few seconds later

[vestal pine]

[spare talon]

maybe its the attack direction not being reliable because its a bugged hit?

[languid rock]

i am torn between replacing elites with maniacs or just using my gun for them and replacing both blessings

[vestal pine]

that crowd control. oof

you need it kinda high

[languid rock]

its actually not that bad

[spare talon]

elites certainly is underrated, esp on zealot considering its a flat increase in damage against a lot of stuff that youd be attacking anyway

[languid rock]

like its not good

[spare talon]

for melees at least

[vestal pine]

its either flak(on most elites anyway) or maniac(muties and rangers)

[languid rock]

yeah i think keeping elite for bashing up oggys and stuff on top of smashing away flak...

skullcrusher is a no brainer

[vestal pine]

elite is getting growing on me

[spare talon]

plus it stacks with the flak armor on the elites that has them, which is most honestly

high voltage is BiS on the saul

so you definitely want that

[languid rock]

the indi attacks so fast no way thrust is good

[vestal pine]

thrust is bad

[languid rock]

just 25 damage on enemies you've hit?

[spare talon]

basically

[languid rock]

i guess the other options are like

25 rending
25 damage but you have to perfect block
impact blessing x 3 or 4

[hearty lily]

Is there a better blessing than Between The Eyes? I feel like I'm still getting suppressed despite landing headshots......unless this blessing doesn't work?

[spare talon]

it has some nuance to it, such as it being applied base on the stagger force for normal attacks, but that only really affects ogryn enemies, and you can just taze them anyway
so its more just 25% damage flat against everything else after the first hit for free, which is pretty big

[languid rock]

you wanna taze ogryns it gives you a fat damage buff i dont think normal hit shock does

its a bunch of damage taken afaict

[vestal pine]

rending<<<<<<HV

you have 90% carapace pen

you never need rending

bait blessing lol

[languid rock]

i am listing the blessings as why 25 dam on hit 2 is worth using at all

its not a huge blessing but the competition is slim

[spare talon]

#zealot-class message
you can, it just requires impact blessing and talents, so in reality not something id say is worth building towards

[vestal pine]

its competition is skullcrusher and the reflexes blessing

skullcrusher does more damage tho

80%

instead of 25%

[languid rock]

lighting reflexes is actually kinda cool, skullcrusher is goated

[vestal pine]

but sc requires target to be stunned

[languid rock]

skullcrusher is mandatory i think its between HV and, if you're some kind of block goblin, lightning reflexes

[vestal pine]

which is a bit hard on

saul

its easy on crusher

with hammerblow

[languid rock]

sc is just stagger which you get easy?

[spare talon]

skullcrushers is good but not as good as you probably think on the saul, because it still requires them to be staggered to apply stacks, and also be staggered for the damage bonus to be applied

[vestal pine]

damage bonus only applies when the enemy is staggered

[spare talon]

even with stacks applied, you wont recieve the bonus damage unless you hit them again while they are staggered

[vestal pine]

even if the stack is applied, if the enemy is recovered it deals no extra damage

[languid rock]

oh hmm

[vestal pine]

meanwhile electricity is active for 2 sec after giving any stagger

[spare talon]

thats why its so good on crusher, cuz youre sending their ass flying with every hit

[languid rock]

it seems to hugely increase the damage of the one i have with it

[vestal pine]

has better uptime essentially

[spare talon]

but on a one handed weapon, its only okay, not proccing as much as you think

[vestal pine]

80% damage

[languid rock]

chain smashing like indi does seems to keep things staggered

[spare talon]

after 2 hits

the first hit is 40%

[languid rock]

it makes maulers and ragers go down fast

[spare talon]

but still thats just the application, only further hits while staggered get the bonus

[vestal pine]

maulers get good

on ogryns?

[spare talon]

so stagger hit 1 is 0% bonues damage dealt
stagger hit 2 is 40% bonus damage dealt
stagger hit 3 is 80% bonus damage dealt
but all of them require them to be staggered when that happens

[south folio]

on the other hand, he has three teammates behind him so presumably they took care of it

[languid rock]

i wish i could see stacks on enemies on the meat grinder

[spare talon]

i was going to say that, but theyre a bit far, and i dont see a body on the ground

and it wouldnt make sense for the enemy to change target

[languid rock]

it would be nice to know whats going on without reading the floating numbers as they go up and live interpreting

[spare talon]

if you use mods, there is a debuff indicator
and you can see skullcrusher on it

[south folio]

the teammates could have also killed the enemy

[spare talon]

and i dont see a body on the ground

[languid rock]

huh i must have always missed that one

the body might have gotten culled if he wasnt looking

but yeah

[spare talon]

i dont think thats how that happens with vanilla settings

as you can see he isnt using any type of mod, so more graphics options isnt there to reduce the max ragdoll count

also if im going to put more of a tinfoil hat and pretend i know what im talking about in regards to hitboxes

[south folio]

yeah and the body of the first groaner that whacks him is gone

we don't have sounds anyways so there's no big conclusion that you can make anyways

[languid rock]

this debuff indicator will let me optimize my purgatus gameplay too...

[sterile stone]

Netted through the stairs

[south folio]

actual doomerism that people are saying it's some martyr nerf now

[languid rock]

thats life!!!

[south folio]

you people are insane

[sterile stone]

I fucking hate these damn trappers man

[vestal pine]

when can zealot get net gun

[slender sigil]

tyvm

[vestal pine]

instagibs crushers but has like 6 ammo

[languid rock]

install mod
restart game
load character list
havent added it to load order

[spare talon]

the angle at which the second hit visual shows up seems to line up with the angle at which the groaners weapon is facing when it shows up, the hitbox of the attack may have counted as hitting him again while it had been at a range to reach behind him, which isnt something that was possible before as if you were going to be hit by an attack it would be upon immediate collision of your hitbox, and thus wouldnt count as being anywhere else

which reminds me of the elden ring bleed dog not checking if you had already been hit by the attack yet

and so you just got mulched by the same attack 30 times in the same instant

[vestal pine]

bleed dog winning against malekith by spamming that attack

[south folio]

would still be wild for it to appear as an attack from behind

[languid rock]

ok you can free stack skullcrusher on non ogryn enemies and you can stack it on tazed ogryns

its good!

[vestal pine]

you need to check if the damage bonus is in effect

[spare talon]

i mean i dont think its unreasonable if the attack reregisters a hit as the tip of the attacks hitbox is mostly through you, and is now registered on the back half of your models hitbox

[languid rock]

shock ogryn, 2 lights, heavy

[vestal pine]

last testing with SC saul left ne half the time getting the 80% bonus and half 0%

[languid rock]

it only applies new stacks in situations where i'd get the damage right

[neat drum]

Pain, agony even

[spare talon]

youll need to do some tweaking of what shows up
cuz some are really not needed
like sure i totally need to know that the red guy is taunted yea totally
but something like how many stacks of focus target the vet just added could be good info

[vestal pine]

iy applies stacks on stagger

but it doesnt show if you deal 80% damage or not

[south folio]

this instance where i have never seen it

when it is literally much more plausible that there was just an enemy behind them

[spare talon]

it does with debuff indicator

[vestal pine]

it doesnt p sure

[spare talon]

it does
cuz i use it

[vestal pine]

having the stack doesnt mean the enemy is staggered or not

[languid rock]

my damage floaters are increasing

[vestal pine]

and the damage bonus only happens while staggered and debuffed

[spare talon]

i mean yeah of course
but it shows whether they have the stacks or not

[languid rock]

it doesnt show the stacks proccing by default but my mace is sc3 so i get to see it apply stacks an extra time

and it keeps applying

[spare talon]

plus you can have the debuff indicator show stagger stacks on enemies too

[vestal pine]

was talking about stacks actually dealing damage or not, so yea

[south folio]

and i think you think the groaner is closer to the player than you think

[languid rock]

if you're tazing ogryns you're skullcrushing them for damage

[hot jolt]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/137

[vestal pine]

you can? hm

[south folio]

e.g., here's the closest frame to it hitting

[spare talon]

so you can totally know whether they will apply on hit if you see both

[vestal pine]

https://m.dcinside.com/board/darktide/139356

how do i extract the gif

smh

[south folio]

is that a different video

[vestal pine]

[south folio]

or is that the same one

[vestal pine]

no same

[south folio]

mf

what

[vestal pine]

im asking a guy to get one recorded so i can confirm kek

its a rumor rn and i dont trust it

but something to keep eyes about

[proud scroll]

any changes?

[faint vapor]

I'd probably change the carapace into unyielding or flak personally

I find I 2-hit maulers on chest with Flak

[proud scroll]

sounds good

[faint vapor]

And unyielding because DA + bolter damage = funny

[languid rock]

it doesnt do enough to carapace to justify the perk, i agree

[faint vapor]

I'm sad it doesn't even stagger crushers

[languid rock]

flak probably lets you hit some breakpoints but might not, unyielding is good for reapers and boss damage

[proud scroll]

what abot blessings

[faint vapor]

I tried Infested due to bolter's like 50% damage but no breakpoints :c

well except vs dog but that's eh

[spare talon]

blessings are good

imho

[languid rock]

surgical deadly accurate is bis IMO as well

[faint vapor]

One of the best combos

[languid rock]

its a major finesse weapon

[proud scroll]

ok dope

[spare talon]

i love using the bolt pistol against dogs!!!!!!!!!!

[proud scroll]

thanks

[languid rock]

check the damage values in inspect

[languid rock]

see what it does on ws crits lol, then double it

[faint vapor]

Yeah fucking no stagger...

Fatshark why

Even a crit weakspot doesn't stagger :c

[spare talon]

and sometimes no damage whatsoever

no hitmarker
despite clearly hitting

[faint vapor]

As a former MK12 user, I have come to accept Tzeentch's hand

[languid rock]

i've noticed the bolt pistol sometimes magically whiffs

idk what the deal is, if im just bad or something

but ill shoot a gunner and nothing will happen

[fleet zealot]

OUTPLAYED BY DESYNC /j

but yea, i think they hsould give dogs more ranged resistance

[spare talon]

did you see the clip that happened with the ogryn just seconds before this

[faint vapor]

Hit reg is fun c:

[vestal pine]

it already has enough

nurgle dog murders your ass

[languid rock]

hunting grounds vs new shotgun is so funny

[faint vapor]

I miss the old dogs that were hopped up on cocaine

[languid rock]

its the same as hunting grounds vs kickback but still

[spare talon]

or rather

[fleet zealot]

HAHAHAH

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-creeper-gif-14286906

[faint vapor]

"Not gonna let anyone kill you"

[median steeple]

average ogryn when they see a burster

[faint vapor]

I want to stop using VoC for Exec stance but VoC saved my team from 3 burster explosions in my last game...

[spare talon]

to quote josho
"he has a plan"

[lusty turtle]

certified ogryn player

[vestal pine]

recommend a pickaxe

[neat drum]

Ogryn stronk

[fleet zealot]

gotta hand it to him, he did get the kill credit for the event mission

[spare talon]

that was 2 days ago lmao

[fleet zealot]

no?

[spare talon]

the video

[fleet zealot]

the event missions didn't start till today

OHH

i'm stupid

[vestal pine]

l o l

[maiden path]

the day anticheats are built in and not 3rd party software will be a great day

same with denuvo

[neat drum]

"I like you shouty, not gonna let anyone kill you" proceeds to indirectly strip your life away

[maiden path]

but now I got all destiny 2 dlc for 20 bucks including tax

expect new light

cause i dont care about strand

[median steeple]

you mean lightfall?

new light is just what new players are called

[maiden path]

lightfall yea

ok destiny 2's music goes kinda crazy

someone on woodwinds

[merry flume]

me when i win every pvp fight in elden ring

[maiden path]

is this loss

[merry flume]

no its win

[spare talon]

ive still yet to win a pvp fight in elden ring

[merry flume]

step 1 go back in time and put 3k hours in dark souls

[spare talon]

but then again the weapons im good with are very much not pvp friendly

[merry flume]

yeah its lame that elden ring is funny meta unfriendly

[maiden path]

garfield has been reborn on pc

[merry flume]

use the most powerful combo to 100 - 0 your enemy

[maiden path]

everytime i tried to have fun elden ring invasions it was just twinks

[merry flume]

god i wish destiny was fun (for me)

[maiden path]

and people who got their friends to drop them endgame gear

[spare talon]

me walking into the colosseum for the first time and getting my ass beat repeatedly cuz i use a fucking SPIKED CLUB

[merry flume]

about 2k hours in playing souls games i decided instead of invading i would just host impromptu fight clubs with one of my friends with the caviat that if you sip or do something cheap we're gonna jump you and point down on you

[merry flume]

do NOT play the arena in elden ring

it's full of losers that do nothing but jerk of on reddit theorycrafting about more weapons with true combos that will 2shot you

[spare talon]

it was the first thing i did when booted up the game for the dlc

since i replayed it with offline off

and the last time i was online was my first playthrough where it didnt exist yet

[maiden path]

elden ring fucked up invading

by making it 'you can only invade when theres two or more friends with him'

[merry flume]

yeah

no pvp covenants

[maiden path]

it was like that others

but yea

no straight invasions

[spare talon]

and a friend said "the only people in the arena is probably just ethiopians who cant afford the dlc" and he was probably right considering the sheer lag

[maiden path]

your always at a disatvantage

[merry flume]

no gravelording....no cracked blue eye....

[maiden path]

which i understand

[merry flume]

no purples....

[maiden path]

but we get no advantages aswell

[merry flume]

then the cherry on top is that the moment seamless co-op gets updated online will die in base game

[maiden path]

all i nede 2 do is

is wait for xur

and tommys matchbook will b mine

[merry flume]

anyone here got vr

[spare talon]

me every time i give crafting advice to someone for a weapon i have never used

[merry flume]

yeah maniac flak sounds good

[spare talon]

ive given so many people advice on the evis mk15

[sullen eagle]

what blessings do you want on the double barrel

[spare talon]

and ive never fucking used the damn thing

[maiden path]

what should I get with my forsaken tokens

xinphers

xihpers

[merry flume]

crit on hit and manstopper

kill 15 enemies every time you pull the trigger

[median steeple]

me asf

[merry flume]

but idk

[spare talon]

yeah idk

[sullen eagle]

scattershot and stopper?

[merry flume]

yuh

[maiden path]

saw some guy using this with a full set of iron banner armor

shit looked tight

[spare talon]

ace of spades if you like hand cannons, that gun feels like sex and is actually pretty decent despite being quite basic for an exotic
izanagis burden if you want beeg damage, if you get and complete the catalyst it makes the x4 shot even better and is still consistenly used in dps rotations by some of the best players cuz its just that reliable
le monarque is pretty okay, but youve stated your interest in bows before so might be worth considering
jotunn is basically a toaster that shoots tracking fireballs, do i need to say anything else

[surreal shore]

hey guys

which one of the shock mauls got a better single target combo in your opinion?

[maiden path]

ok i wil get ace of spades, izanagis, and jotunn

[thorn imp]

Ace of Spades if you do pvp

For sure

[maiden path]

thats already like half of all the forsaken exotics

[surreal shore]

wtf

[spare talon]

ace of spades is pretty good for pve too

[thorn imp]

Can't you buy like anything with the ciphers? Or only forsaken shit

[spare talon]

forsaken pack gives you 3 forsaken ciphers for forsaken stuff

and thats what hes using

[thorn imp]

The new strand sidearm never leaves my kinetic slot honestly

So I'm biased

[thorn imp]

Ah aight I thought it gave you exotic ciphers

[spare talon]

nah those still have other purchase requirements

forsaken ones is just ok heres your exotic have a good day

[maiden path]

wha taobut

last word

[thorn imp]

Only if you are using a controller

and its only for pvp

[maiden path]

need me dat console aim assist

shit is so tight

[thorn imp]

They butchered it for mkb

[spare talon]

pvp only, controller only

[thorn imp]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-smoking-sadge-pepe-smoking-pepe-sadge-gif-16948267171533269841

[spare talon]

theres literally no reason to use it in pve

[maiden path]

why'd they give titan the ugliest possible ornment

gave him hippie gear

[proud scroll]

whats the best combat axe now

[spare talon]

i dont think its stopped being rashad

[proud scroll]

ah ok dope, thought something else got a buff

[languid rock]

rashad remains the only one that swings sideways

[proud scroll]

gotcha

[languid rock]

that plus brutal momentum is the secret to its power

[proud scroll]

the littlemaul seems crazy sttrong lol

[languid rock]

i've been using an igni

[proud scroll]

it looks super goofy but its good

[languid rock]

they are both real good

i just bought 2 hackers from brunt, upgraded one, got this

[proud scroll]

its just a better crusherr

[languid rock]

guess im gonna go shoot at stuff in the meat grinder

its probably getting maniac unyielding?

might not need maniac

[proud scroll]

I like maniac on it

it can 1 shot muties which is sick

[forest plank]

is the abyss penance bugged?

[proud scroll]

at least mine does

[languid rock]

ok yeah the mutie breakpoint is obvious in the grinder, and unyielding leaves me with 2 shots on both of the targets still i think

[proud scroll]

god i hate the bolt pistol handling

i just cant use it

[proud scroll]

bleh

[spiral anvil]

You are forced to use ads for consecutive shots

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-me-id-fuck-me-andre-gif-11526942

[spiral anvil]

Or do some godless mouse pull stuff

[proud scroll]

I just cant do it

[languid rock]

bolt pistol has a couple weird bits, and the time between hipfire shots is one of them

i still like it a lot

[zinc talon]

he'll yeha borther

[ivory marlin]

Work sucks rn i wanna be home

[zinc talon]

love those

[spiral anvil]

The trick is lineup with the hipfire crosshair and start spamming ads shots, waiting for the sight to rest is a fool's errand

[proud scroll]

when I ADS i cant hit anything, back to the sawed off i go

[languid rock]

flak maniac it is for this hacker i think

rager bp and pack shredding vs basically just boss damage

[faint vapor]

Yeah just keep in mind that it won't stagger dogs very well

[vestal pine]

koreans complaining about zealot nerf

kek

i meab its bad

[faint vapor]

I keep getting pounced by them :c

[vestal pine]

but still

[fast tiger]

im gonna turn u into kimchi

[errant jackal]

sorry to but in but what is playing zaelot all about in your views?

[fast tiger]

pack u in a jar and bury u till u ferment

[errant jackal]

ok

[fast tiger]

playing fucking insane and getting away with it

[errant jackal]

get it.. *dont play methed out on a 4 day binge

[fast tiger]

that’s called method zealot playing

[errant jackal]

lmaao

[ionic spear]

rate the roll

[spare talon]

0/10

youre still leveling so its not worth investing into

[ionic spear]

i wasnt going too

just funny to get such a terrible 270

[hot jolt]

all items arent real till ur lvl 30

[errant jackal]

im lvl 30

[spare talon]

so you should never change them
use your 85 stat rashad till lvl 30

[ionic spear]

im tryna do heresy to level

[hot jolt]

tbh jus use what u get from wins lol

[ionic spear]

i cant carry

this is painfull

[errant jackal]

like crowd control?

[spare talon]

if you arent capable of breezing through heresy while leveling
just do malice
the reliability is much better

plus theyll get done faster so youll end up getting more xp in the long run

but then again
cyra is literally right here

[errant jackal]

im going to be doing heresy untill perfect curios and guns

[ionic spear]

i miss psyker lmao

[zinc talon]

that could take a bity

[hot jolt]

malice hi-int gives more than heresy

[ionic spear]

assail made damnation doable at level 20

[zinc talon]

save your crafting materials for now, don't use em til you've played a couple builds or used a couple different weapons

and then orange 3 curios towards that playstyle

that's the biggest increase in player agency you can get for the time spent

the room's right, use the weapons you get in mission rewards

[spare talon]

damnation is doable at lvl 15 on any class if you have the skill to back it up

[zinc talon]

and check the docket vendor once an hour, they cycle new gear in

[ionic spear]

i do not

[spare talon]

but for most people its just
not worth it

[zinc talon]

now that you're 30 you'll be getting offered the best rank equipment forever on

[errant jackal]

i save up 2000 ordo bucks and then pimp out curios and guns to see how it feels

kinda bad huh

[spare talon]

what are you spending a whole 2000 ordo dockets on

2 gumballs?

[errant jackal]

few curios guns melee u kno

[spare talon]

do you mean plasteel

[errant jackal]

no the rare one

[spare talon]

diamantine

[errant jackal]

yeag

[median steeple]

damn inflation hitting hard

[fast tiger]

gotta use the app to get the diamantine cost down

[spare talon]

as long as you play heresy or above
you should never run out of diamantine

[fast tiger]

the curio combo costs more at the restaurant

[spare talon]

its literally impossible

[errant jackal]

lmao ive been running darktide so long it ran out of memory and crashed

[fast tiger]

tell that to sneaky cat in vet chat who astonishingly has 0 diamantine

i truly don’t know how they’ve done it

[spare talon]

what the fuck

how

[fast tiger]

i have no fuckin clue

[south folio]

prob reblessing/refining a bunch

[errant jackal]

yeah i notice if i play heresy for a while it just built up

[fast tiger]

it’s a Bermuda Triangle level mystery

[errant jackal]

i concur

[spare talon]

plasteel is spent much faster than diamantine is

[zinc talon]

yep, it'll pile up faster than you expect if you're not actively paying attention to your wallet balance every mission

atsa beaut

[haughty haven]

i do good job?

[zinc talon]

u ded gerd jerb

[errant jackal]

now if ull excuse me ive got a heresy quickplay

thanks

[zinc talon]

get to purgin reject

[errant jackal]

for the tips and all

[spare talon]

god have mercy on your soul

[errant jackal]

lmao

may he does

[zinc talon]

get to where you can comfortably keep up in 4s and 5s, the playerbase general skillset is much better in those

[south folio]

oh i guess the idols should be factored in nowadays

[zinc talon]

you won't run into as much baboonery there

which is good

cuz you're a chimp

the two don't mix

[spare talon]

which means that the plasteel acquisition ratio is even higher to diamantine

[haughty haven]

so much this

actually

[spare talon]

those numbers only go up

[haughty haven]

the skillset in heresy and damn regulars is garbage

[gusty stag]

which is best shock maul?

[zinc talon]

the one you enjoy

[haughty haven]

i have a easier time doing auric pubs

[spiral anvil]

Have any met weirdos who just refuse to pick up diamantine

[south folio]

i've seen some get left behind maybe but that might just be their eyes skipping over it in general

since plasteel also gets left behind

[spiral anvil]

Imagine playing with default FOV

[faint vapor]

In aurics, sometimes you just need to push up :c

[spare talon]

i remember hearing of someone who was yelling at their team for looting and not just continuing with the mission
cuz "the amount you get from finishing the mission is always way higher in comparison"

[faint vapor]

Never seen anyone deliberately do it though

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/like-a-glove-ace-ventura-gif-11908792

[spiral anvil]

It's not a dichotomy

[spare talon]

idk if its just me
but this is just a solid screen with sound

[south folio]

so true!!!!

[zinc talon]

rut roh

HDR is honestly such a pain I might just say fuck it til it becomes universal

[fast tiger]

????

[hushed knoll]

HELLO

[south folio]

hi stanny

[zinc talon]

turning it on and off for gaming vs everything else is a chore

[fast tiger]

stan post curry pics

[spare talon]

idk man theyre just too smart for us

[hot jolt]

lol?

[zinc talon]

the only thing I can think of is he had a team of people who didn't loot the steel to wear down the income ratios

[cerulean birch]

the Zealot’s talent, invocation of death are unable to properly reduce cooldown is NOT a bug????????????????????????????????

[spare talon]

intended

its once per swing

not per hit

[fast tiger]

type of person that team kills in helldivers 2 to steal people’s samples

[zinc talon]

is that cooldown reduction

yeah you don't get it on cleaves anymore

per-swing

[haughty haven]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-trash-oskar-trash-sesame-street-sesamstrasse-gif-21433618

[ripe quest]

BM + Shred Caxe is cooking

[cerulean birch]

why do they

[subtle cedar]

is the "electrocuted" for high voltage meaning the little zappy effects that apply on a bunch of different hits or is it specifically on the DoT from the pushattack?

[south folio]

exhil has been in the mines too long

[zinc talon]

brutal momentum chainaxe?

[cerulean birch]

is not good.......

[hot jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[zinc talon]

oh god

combat axe

welp, back to square one

[haughty haven]

toinight was a good night

i hope i like this new evis as much as my old

[zinc talon]

toss it on the pile of things that don't do anything for me

[south folio]

duellist maxxing i assume

[haughty haven]

it felt really good with wrath on it

[zinc talon]

if you can get a near-copy, try it with the same setup and without wrath

[ripe quest]

yee, peak elite damage due to crit adms

[zinc talon]

or if you have wrath as a blessing, keep the rest the same and put something else on

see if the cleave doesn't keep up

[haughty haven]

i had to kill the wrath to get the rampage

[zinc talon]

cuz if it does, then you've just swapped out a blessing that the weapon already was doing well enough for you

[haughty haven]

[zinc talon]

yeah, one of those either/ors

is it keeping up you feel like?

[hot jolt]

:((((((((((((((((

[zinc talon]

cuz both evis's can get 3 smols a swing yknow

it's the heavier stuff that negates that

[cerulean birch]

ok,i understand, maybe half per hit? per swing too wek??

[haughty haven]

that's what i'm worried about lol

[zinc talon]

yep every time you swing the weapon you get 1 cooldown reduction credit

you don't get one per enemy hit

[zinc talon]

the 15 already single targets heavy stuff anyway

but a thing you can use if it works for you

the 15 revs and cleaves crowds on light attack 1`

[spare talon]

for a majority of weapons that do well with crit, personally believe it is too weak
i think it should be capped at 3 enemies per hit so the slower, cleaving crit weapons can still keep up to the faster single target weapons like the knife

[zinc talon]

and yeah I get it, the rev cleave does about the same as the light swing itself

but

[hot jolt]

i used to get 4.5 sec back on stealth per crit light attack, now its 1.5. eat shit and die cyra

[zinc talon]

if you rev, the swing will stick on the first special or elite it hits in the crowd

so you can use that

to take out elites hiding in hordes

normally the swing without the rev would either cleave through or dink off and the swing is over

and heavy attacks are overheads so it's easy to miss or more likely hit the wrong target

rev + light 1 lets you target elites specifically while still cleaving horde

[spare talon]

with shred evis getting 15 seconds back per swing was simply too broken, but now its basically not worth running at all unless youre running a weapon like knife or a weapon with an attack speed almost as fast

[zinc talon]

and since it's a lock on saw animation

it'll fuck em up

[merry flume]

i like using the backstab cdr talent but it seems getting backstabs is still super iffy

[zinc talon]

that's how I take care of mixed packs anyway

really seems to help me find the nasties in the crowd

[cerulean birch]

you are right limit is a good way

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-heavy-pootis-engage-dragging-gif-24947347

[spare talon]

it hit my devils claw build pretty fuckin hard and its a lot less fun to use now

[subtle cedar]

crit martyr mk 7 tac axe pretty happy this patch

[royal vortex]

why the fuck do they spend all this time developing maps and putting objects in them when half the enemies in the game just fucking ignore them

[zinc talon]

which devil's claw variant is the goofiest

not strongest, not weakest, funniest

[haughty haven]

i'm not having alot of issues running mkxv

[royal vortex]

i am so fucking sick of trapper nets clipping through objects and hitting me

[haughty haven]

idk maybe it was TOO strong lol cuz it's fine to me

yeah you can't spam it every 3 seconds but it's fine

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/5r6jzn

[cerulean birch]

chain sword also

[spare talon]

i think the mk1, which is also the weakest
all of the lights are overheads or vertical diagonals
both heavies are only sweeps
its just wrong lmao

[ripe quest]

wait there are walls in the smelter refinery????

that inner part looks like this for me

[zinc talon]

he fired from the top of the stairs, and the net model is bigger than its hitbox

the edge clipped through yeah

that'll kill the boner for sure

[buoyant pewter]

Is the new chest piece in the money store bugged? In the Morningstar the shoulder piece under the fires dislodges and I wanna make sure I’m not wearing it into missions if that’s the case

[zinc talon]

wear it in the grinder with your equipment and see if any of the aiming/crouching/sprinting/dodging animations do

[buoyant pewter]

Oh okay thanks

[zinc talon]

or

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/111

[buoyant pewter]

X bawks

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-judge-judging-oh-really-are-you-sure-gif-16929214

sucks, I know the pain

one of the squaddies is too so I hear the ongoing pain

[gilded lintel]

Is 'Thy wrath be swift' still a mandatory talent? I don't remember it specifying melee attacks before

[zinc talon]

which one is that

I have not memorized a single talent name since day one

[hot jolt]

yes p imporant

[zinc talon]

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[spare talon]

its always said that, and always included range

nothings changed

[zinc talon]

okay pop quiz, agni or indignatus

[south folio]

the deescription probably got updated

since it's otherwise always said ranged attacks

[zinc talon]

I feel more comfortable with the agni but I've only chucklefucked around with them in the grinder

[south folio]

but it's always had an effect against melee attacks

[spare talon]

it never has

[gilded lintel]

Ah ok, shame cause the one before it is worthless for me 90% of the time and I wish I didn't feel I had to always get it

[spare talon]

its always said melee attacks

[south folio]

ahhh

i got it mixed up

[drowsy steppe]

its usage is debatable now that if you have toughness you wont get that annoying stuns

[spare talon]

which is why tons of people never knew it was that good

[drowsy steppe]

because

if you keep losing toughness, thats a whole other problem you have

[spare talon]

ive also noticed that it removes the knockback from guns even with toughness

which further removes restricted movements

[zinc talon]

how much toughness are we talking

a full bar, enough to take the hit, a single point

[drowsy steppe]

as long as you have toughness

[zinc talon]

cool

[errant jackal]

lmao

[drowsy steppe]

if you lose toughness, without twbs you will get the stuns

[zinc talon]

yall, please check your docket vendors

they have massaged the spawn algorithms

and gear is coming out mint every hour

[gilded lintel]

rng be rng

[zinc talon]

yeah but, every hour, several good pickups

[gilded lintel]

yea

Rng be rng

[zinc talon]

it's been since the last big update

[gilded lintel]

I checked mine recently and all three characters lacked a single high roller

[zinc talon]

I think they're massaging up the relative quality to get peoiple back in the game

and using new fresh equipment

[gilded lintel]

such good

[zinc talon]

kind've as a retention over time policy

[maiden path]

destiny 2 players

does xur return on friday

[gilded lintel]

I think I'll give dropping thy wrath a try, prob will regret it.

[buoyant pewter]

God mode

[buoyant pewter]

Dang

[buoyant pewter]

Basically a shotgun at that point

[zinc talon]

I mean it's every hour, every character

[gilded lintel]

It reminds me of my old knife

[zinc talon]

not just sayin this cuz I got two not-shits in the same cycle

[spare talon]

but what of the perk and blessing

[gilded lintel]

I kept it for sentimental value

[zinc talon]

oh those will change if I ever even use these

plus, weapon locks later on

[drowsy steppe]

I dont even play with until death and holy rev anymore

[zinc talon]

and most importantly, Gear Mountain rises steadily in the west

okri likely has three or four hundred weapons, of both types

[gilded lintel]

My issue on zealot is anytime I try a build not using throwing knives I suck

I rely on those way to much for killing gunners pinning me

[neat drum]

Trash

[gilded lintel]

I really should invest in a pistol of some kind and stop using flamer :<

[zinc talon]

what rank are ya pal

[ionic spear]

24

[neat drum]

Lol...

[zinc talon]

that'll keep up in 3s just fine but above that you'll start falling behind

[neat drum]

Don't roll until you're 30

[ionic spear]

emp gift

[zinc talon]

save your crafting materials until you're 30

[neat drum]

Oh