zealot-class

[frozen crystal]

Yeah, it is pretty crazy

[open pollen]

Ah, so he's pulling himself forward on his left leg?

Like, in a slide?

[maiden path]

like a falcon punch

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-falcon-punch-captain-falcon-nintendo-ultimate-gif-18215078

[open pollen]

But with a falcon punch, you can see his left leg is crouched while the right leg's extended

while in the other image its reversed

Oh! Maybe they're dodging to the left while countering with a punch? I think I might need to see the panel before this for context.

[frosty herald]

https://mangadex.org/chapter/d525e4c4-0ad2-4288-81d3-0f80963b1311

[vestal pine]

fun.

now ask brunt to give me good items

[open pollen]

Hmm, that's a pretty straight punch. My only explanation is that they slid into it. I don't know what else would explain the posture, since they clearly step forward 3 panels prior

[maiden path]

haymaker

overhead

[spare talon]

are you trying to rationalize baki

of all things

[maiden path]

over and down punch

[frosty herald]

do not try to read into baki

[open pollen]

should... should I not be?

[frosty herald]

its pseudo science and goofy martial arts

[open pollen]

That explains the position of the arms, but I'm more confused about the position of the legs. But I am probably just overthinking it

[maiden path]

oh yea

while ur here

sunspot was nerfed to give 1.3x abilty regen

got nerfed in 3.0

[ionic spear]

light atk does more dmg than heavy?

[solar gorge]

hey asides from the weird buggy rhythm going on with the branx pickaxe it's p fucking good

[frosty herald]

fun is illegal in destiny 2 didnt you know

[open pollen]

Ogryn craves damage. No surprise folks like the pick

[frosty herald]

i like the karsalos the most

nice sweeping attacks and good overheads

[spare talon]

mining away

i dont know
what to mine
ill mine this anyway

[maiden path]

can i get 100 in all stats in destiny 2

is that possible

[spare talon]

no

[maiden path]

can i get 100 in all the stats that matter

no mobility or intel

[spare talon]

the highest you can get is 4 100s but thats incredibly hard to do

to the point where you realistically wont get there

[frosty herald]

bungie really should ditch the gear score system and just do it like the division 2

[spare talon]

2 100s is reasonable tho if you work for it

[maiden path]

i already have 100 in resilence

50 in everything else that matters

[fast tiger]

tier 41/42 stats are like the reasonably highest you can hope for

so that 410 to 420 total stat points allocated

just get good artifice armor that’ll be more than enough

[fleet zealot]

stan, stan

have you had huckleberries

[maiden path]

"That said, Destiny 2 Artifice Armor are extremely hard to get, and are only reserved for the most dedicated Guardians. Here are all of the dungeons that offer Artifice Armor loot drops."

[spare talon]

yeah like i said, you'll have to work for high stats

you have to do the dungeons on master difficulty to get that kind of armor

[fast tiger]

master dungeons aren’t that bad

[maiden path]

googl.com destiny 2 nuke build meta no die

[fast tiger]

and once you get a feel for a master dungeon you can just grind the encounter you find easiest in it on a loop

[spare talon]

also unrelated
but the itemization dev blog
is pretty much what i expected given the article
and thats a good thing imho

[fast tiger]

if you can do auric damnation with a little work you should be able to get master level d2 content completed

[maiden path]

but auric damnation is easy!!!!!!!!

i just have 2 lock in

for 20 minutes

[frosty herald]

it sounds pret nice

[fast tiger]

it’s pretty much the same situation for d2 high tier content

[frosty herald]

maybe well get dark aether when the weapon is maxed out

[fast tiger]

they’re usually just build/mechanics/knowledge tests

[maiden path]

i lack a build

!!!

im not even max power level

[fast tiger]

did you get the final shape or are you balling with the previous expansions for now

prismatic is kinda insane on warlock with basically no work involved

[maiden path]

i only have 1 dlc!!

the rest are fucking 30 dollars!!

[fast tiger]

ya no one can accuse bungie of not having an expensive game

i bet you could find a bundle on g2a for relatively cheap

[spare talon]

already went down that road

no codes for ps

[fast tiger]

rip

you can get shadowkeep + beyond light + forsaken for $20 on g2a but it’s for pc

also i thought they folded all that stuff into the base game now was that just beyond light

[frosty herald]

if they were smart they wouldve

but it was just a free 3 weeks? of shadowkeep witch queen and lightfall i believe

[fast tiger]

they had a bunch of stuff f2p during the run to the final shape

i remember hearing something about beyond light being f2p as well but idk, i bought them all yearly as the game progressed so it wasn’t really on my radar

kinda makes it miserable for new players tho huh

[frosty herald]

very miserable

the first thing your greeted with is a bounty giver

that gives expansion bounties

[fast tiger]

lmao

[frosty herald]

https://youtu.be/NAKK9f1L_vo?si=1molFKOpjQrb_zBg

id imagine destiny has horrid new player retention

and its just the same large following still playing it

[median steeple]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9jOqIh8Gg_O70wJf/d13375jHtI9j?invite=cr-MSxiWlosMTk0NjM5OTEyLA

maybe the barrel placements aint all that bad

[marsh hill]

350 hours later

[sullen forge]

Me still sitting at 4000 cause I dread playing Psyker

[median steeple]

Did they change the lucky bullet penance?

If not that shit is never being done

[obtuse matrix]

This has probably been answered 15 times today. What is the meta on the bolt pistol?

[median steeple]

Deadly accurate/surgical for damage it seems

[marsh hill]

i had to cringe through 2500 smite kills while i absolutely despise psycher

made it a lil more fun naming myself emperor's electrician

[obtuse matrix]

That seems about right

[median steeple]

Flak/maniac or flak/cara

[marsh hill]

u mean 100% accuracy? it's now 90% i did it with the zarona with very well placed shots

[median steeple]

No

[sullen forge]

Bro I have to finish up Ogryn by doing Taunts and Lucky Bullets, and then Zealot and Psyker

[median steeple]

The og penances

Lucky bullet is horrendous

[sullen forge]

Zealot will actually be fun, Psyker? It’s Psyker need I say more

[marsh hill]

good luck with 5000 kills on 5 stacks of heavy hitter (i will never do that)

[median steeple]

I did make every shot count ages ago

[obtuse matrix]

It has the bleed effect. But I haven't played with it enough to decide whether or not you can boost the explosion radius and the lead to the point where it becomes a crowd clearer

[sullen forge]

It’s done I wanted to kms dude

[obtuse matrix]

I just finished it up. It's not that bad

[sullen forge]

Just have to spam out a Stubber and use Shield Ogryn and taunt elites and Ogryn is 100%

[median steeple]

Some of the psyker penances aren't too bad

Like the shield one

[sullen forge]

I’m doing Zealot after cause it’s fun

[median steeple]

But looking at the og penances make me feel dread

[obtuse matrix]

I finished all the psykers ones they really weren't that bad

[sullen forge]

Veteran was my first cause I’m a filthy karkin veteran main

[median steeple]

I've still yet to do the krak penance

[marsh hill]

it is mind numbing i stopped at 500 then decided to do other penances to reach the 4500 penance

[obtuse matrix]

I actually think that the loaner backstabbed ones are the ones that annoy the s*** out of me

[median steeple]

I'm like 75% done

[sullen forge]

Biggest tip, Flak will get stuck to as well

Literally scab rager hordes

[median steeple]

Yeah I know

[sullen forge]

Ez money

[median steeple]

It's just mfs obliterate the things I stick

[marsh hill]

zelot is too much fun fr the mission where u had to stay below 1 wound for 75% of a heresy game and win under 20mins is wild, i did it with another rat zealot from this server and we ended up having to kill 2 plague ogryns and the assasination boss at the same time

it was fuking wild

dodging galore

[maiden path]

destiny 2 players

what the fuck is sword and bomb

[median steeple]

Oh yeah just a flesh wound is the only redacted penance I have yet to do

[median steeple]

Idk what you're talking about

[patent patrol]

Ngl I like the idea of the mastery system. It seems like it'll make getting perfect weapons so much easier while also allowing gameplay to be more engaging.

[maiden path]

"The sword logic of the hive is rather binary in nature. Sword logic states that death is the deciding factor, a universal rule y which all life is goverened"

[sullen forge]

This just sounds like run Knife zealot or something that’s good at CC with low hp

[marsh hill]

tbh the 4500 armor suit is so goofy

[median steeple]

Oh yeah that

[marsh hill]

yep

[maiden path]

some clan with that as their decription sent me an invite

idk wtf it means

[marsh hill]

but at the end you'll have all the stuff u ran through coming at u

[sullen forge]

Loyalist 6th set I’m craving for it

[median steeple]

Fuck doing for God rolls I'm just gonna spend the whole summer grinding diamanten and plasteel

[marsh hill]

i look like a ww1 medic bro

[median steeple]

It's the way the hive live

[obtuse matrix]

I just grouped up, and made sure to only have two wounds

[patent patrol]

Eh, this update kinda ruined Zealot for me. At least with my initial build.

[median steeple]

Kill or be killed

[maiden path]

so should I join the clan

[median steeple]

Idk

[marsh hill]

what changed tho

[maiden path]

not THE clan

destiny 2 clan

[median steeple]

Do you want to join the

Clan

It's your choice it's a player made thing

[maiden path]

they have a discord

[median steeple]

Like guilds from wow

[maiden path]

they have to be big or something

s/b

[fast tiger]

sword logic is the logic that if something is able to killed it should be killed, and the being that did the killing was right to do so

[obtuse matrix]

The actual text for the penance is less than a full wound. So if you run two wounds, you still have like half your health bar

[maiden path]

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/Clan/Profile/4662082

[fast tiger]

bomb logic is a reactionary take by the awoken in response to sword logic that is basically like, by cooperating you can create a stronger offensive than a sword, a bomb

[sullen forge]

My favorite war, probably why I like the Steel Legion and DKOK

[patent patrol]

They removed rending from chastise and replaced it with melee-only rending. Basically it made my crit build that ran the DClaw useless. Your only option for any build where you're not using a melee that can kill crushers is to run the spearhead boltgun and maybe the boltpistol. MAYBE the revolver still works due to 60% rending on crit but I wouldn't know.

[maiden path]

they have 62 members

is that alot for a clan

[median steeple]

Join or don't join beb we can't make this decision for you

[fast tiger]

it’s above average

99 is the max for a clan

[maiden path]

should I!!!

idk!!

can I leave and join another

willy nilly

[fast tiger]

yeah you can

[sullen forge]

Huh, that means my heavily Evis build is just… untouched

[fast tiger]

you just don’t get clan rewards for a week after you leave on clan and join another

[median steeple]

Begging we get the full scion set

[sullen forge]

God please

[spare talon]

did your evis build use crit cdr in any way

[fast tiger]

i would sooner just find a clan online that seems cool than a random one that sent me an invite tbh lol

[patent patrol]

Yeah. It's mostly builds where you used a melee that couldn't deal with crushers.

or whatever

basically, imo, this update made Crit Zealot kinda ass

unless you run the knife/dagger

that's like, your only option now. Unless you run one of the spearheads

or maybe heavy evisc. Idk how well that does on crit builds.

[spare talon]

terrible now

[maiden path]

of sword and bomb sounds kinda badass doe

garfield of sword and bomb

[patent patrol]

The DClaw I fell in love with sucks ass now 😭

I'm hurtin.

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-dancing-garfield-lasagna-cat-lasagna-gif-8676035209843202350

[frosty herald]

find the biggest clan with the best players and join it

[patent patrol]

I hope they see all these complaints and either revert the change or make it so we at least get like 50% gun rending

so that way we can do SOMETHING.

like, yes, 50% still ain't a whole lot but it'd at least make things managable again

[median steeple]

Still hoping one day we can assign personalities to load outs

[sullen forge]

For getting chastise back yes, I assume that isn’t as effective anymore?

[maiden path]

no such thing..

[sullen forge]

Not a huge issue seeing the build alone was good at crowd control and that’s all I really cared about

[marsh hill]

wait so they capped anyone who uses that serrated sword?

ngl i hated those people even though there was no explicit reason

[patent patrol]

Basically you ONLY get melee rending. So if your melee weapon isn't good at dealing with crushers you HAVE to run one of the spearheads.

that's your only gun option now

[spare talon]

since its based on the instance of the crit and not how many enemies you hit, with evis its basically doing almost nothing for you with its attack speed

[marsh hill]

unless they carry the hammer tho

[frosty herald]

@clear knot steam clips is genuinely an amazing feature

[maiden path]

erm

steam clips

[patent patrol]

I more-so meant if you don't run a melee that can deal with them. Examples including the hammers, IVe crusher and shit like that.

[clear knot]

agreed

[patent patrol]

you literally HAVE to run those now. Or run one of the spearhead weapons.

[marsh hill]

so now people can't run the cadia sword

W in my book

[patent patrol]

... that's not a W.

That's severely limiting shit.

you can no longer run crit builds unless you run the knife because for SOME REASON they didn't nerf THE MOST OP VERSION OF THE CRIT BUILD

but did nerf the standard ones

[marsh hill]

ngl u are probably good with it but 4/5 of the past people i've played with were trash with that

so i have a bias

i hate that sword

if i see it i assume i gotta carry

[spare talon]

im pretty sure you two are thinking of different swords
alexi is thinking of the eviscerator
ironhelm is thinking of the catachan devils claw

[marsh hill]

yeah the serrated trash

catachan is aight

[fast tiger]

isn’t the cadia sword the chsword

is the evis also a cadia sword

[patent patrol]

Yeah.

[bold dirge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[patent patrol]

Ok here's the thing. The fact you think limiting people's builds because pubs suck ass with that weapon is... incredibly toxic imo.

[marsh hill]

they did kneecap a non-op talent tho

[patent patrol]

This was just a blatantly assinine change that did not need to happen.

[marsh hill]

shoulda keencapped sweeping crit cuz i be getting ability every 2s with that

[patent patrol]

And did more harm than good.

[patent patrol]

Uh, no. No they don't.

[marsh hill]

spamming chorus is fun tho

[patent patrol]

They already ruined crit builds

at least, standard ones.

they don't need to break em more.

[spare talon]

they already did hard nerf that

[marsh hill]

when

[spare talon]

this patch

[fleet zealot]

hidden nerf last patch

[fast tiger]

yesterday

[fleet zealot]

max 1 proc per swing

[fast tiger]

went from proccing once per crit per enemy hit to once per crit per swing

[fleet zealot]

go back to hell crit cdr

[marsh hill]

damn i was playin knife today so didn't notice

[fleet zealot]

with ronald reagan

[marsh hill]

but got damn my hammer gonna cry

[patent patrol]

Crit Builds are literally ruined and I do not agree with ANY of the changes. They literally gutted all the "standard" or "fun" crit builds AND THE DAMN KNIFE CRIT BUILD IS STILL UNCHANGED

[fleet zealot]

why would your hammer cry

[patent patrol]

for the most part.

[fleet zealot]

was backstab cdr nerfed as well?

[spare talon]

no

[fast tiger]

using thammer on a crit build is definitely one of the choices of all time

[marsh hill]

no more sweep crit bonuses

[fleet zealot]

yea you deserve to cry wtf

[patent patrol]

From what I gathered, knife crit build is relatively unchanged. It's still top tier bs.

[fleet zealot]

knife crit is relatively unchanged since it only hit like 3 targets max

[frosty herald]

it wouldnt surprise me if ranged rending was brought back but nerfed to 25-50%

[fleet zealot]

the other crit builds are fine,

[patent patrol]

They nerfed the fun crit builds BUT KEPT THE ANNOYINGLY OVERPOWERED ONE UNCHANGED

[fleet zealot]

brought back as 50% node

[fleet zealot]

knife isn't annoyingly overpowered

it has one weakness, and that is being thick crowds of elites

[frosty herald]

that could be a great middle point for balance

[marsh hill]

if they ruin knife rending blessing imma quit fr

[fast tiger]

i think it’s more likely they bring up some zealot weapons carapace adms to compensate

[fleet zealot]

zealot only has flamer for ranged

[spare talon]

i honestly hope they bring back the crit cdr procs per enemy, but at least tune down the time down to like 1 second instead of 1.5

[patent patrol]

It is if you know what you're doing. By far the most overpowered variation of the crit build.

[fleet zealot]

i could see it getting a cara adm buff

[patent patrol]

and the most boring.

[frosty herald]

i want crit cdr to be % based

not as strong as seconds but still substantial

[marsh hill]

as long as backstab 20% remains i am happy cuz when ogryn uses taunt i rush to their backs

[patent patrol]

They literally left knife crit builds unchanged despite how broken it is BUT NERFED EVERY SINGLE OTHER ONE.

I'm pissed.

[fast tiger]

it is abundantly clear you are pissed

[patent patrol]

What do we do now? As parry enthusiasts?

how do we move on?

[fast tiger]

literally just pair it with bolter or revolver

[marsh hill]

ngl i hate the serrated sword mfs but forcing people to play knife zelot or lose is ass

[patent patrol]

Thank you for noticing.

[patent patrol]

Revolver also got hit so bad.

[north sedge]

what

[patent patrol]

due to no chastise rending

I think

[fast tiger]

it’s still perfectly usable

[north sedge]

it's still fucked up good

[patent patrol]

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm more-so saying on crit builds it does kinda falter now

due to the lost rending on chastise

[spare talon]

i did use zarona for it so the ranged chastise nerf doesnt really affect my build
but the crit cdr nerf is felt, and it is felt hard

it does feel so much worse to use

[fast tiger]

hand cannon on the revolver is already plenty

[patent patrol]

That's fair. I'll work on getting one.

[bold dirge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[clear knot]

https://i.redd.it/edlhp61yk24d1.gif?format=mp4&s=eeac8c7d2d05b44c2532baf5c41a272762221f78

[patent patrol]

or the spearhead

[spare talon]

nothing

[patent patrol]

What do we do then?

[fast tiger]

they nerfed hand cannon a while back

[misty nova]

Nothing

[fast tiger]

otherwise nothing direct

[bold dirge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[fast tiger]

damn lookit that threadling vibe

[frosty herald]

holy shit they put in the dude from sandlands

[marsh hill]

oh shit i just realised if knife zealot is the only way now we're gonna have a whole lotta ali express knife zealots cuz not everyone has the reflexes and fps that it takes to play that fast

[patent patrol]

... I'm going to strangle you.

Lol.

(This is a joke)

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[marsh hill]

(in minecraft)

[north sedge]

because there wasn't 6 million knife players already

[patent patrol]

Yup. Crit build option is literally just knife now.

[patent patrol]

(TRUE)

[marsh hill]

who comes up with this shit

[fast tiger]

i’m sure crit chsword and crit tac axe is fine still

they are both low cleave light attack spam weapons by and large

[patent patrol]

It's either you run the knife or run spearhead or revolver on other builds. But knife is still the only one that'll feel right at least because it only hits 3 targets anyway so the debuffs don't effect it.

[marsh hill]

they also nerfed the hell out of Brutal momentum making my ogryn melee useless

[vestal pine]

you only have 1 that uses brumentum

[fast tiger]

brutal momentum is still arguably BiS you just can’t dunk on 4 crushers at once

[marsh hill]

but i liked to do that

[fast tiger]

that’s fair but “useless”? lol

[marsh hill]

i only used that one XD

[spare talon]

what
the ogryn melee that can now no longer triple kill crushers in one swing and is capped at killing only 1 crusher per swing is now useless
where is the logic

[marsh hill]

plasteel aint cheap

[marsh hill]

it was fun tho come on

it was OP yes but still fun

[spare talon]

but now that you dont have it doesnt meant its useless

one shotting crushers is still fucking huge

[misty nova]

That's what I've been saying
It's prime knife hours

[patent patrol]

This update is one of the worst ones for Zealot players imo. Now you either run knife crit builds to be optimal or you run one of the spearheads or revolver on other builds and it feels worse to play in general. Martyrdom is probably gonna be the new meta. And knife crit builds are gonna be rampant if someone IS using it.

[marsh hill]

just flip the shovel and BAM

4 crushers gone

[patent patrol]

It's gonna be a bunch of knife users in pubs having to be carried.

or people running martyrdom.

[marsh hill]

and i'm gonna be the carry fml

[marsh hill]

marty with hammer is amazing

[north sedge]

i know this gonna sound crazy as fuck, but there are so many weapons that deal with armor, lol

[fast tiger]

i miss when this chat used to discuss hot sauces

[north sedge]

and other keystones! it's fucked up!

[patent patrol]

Like what? I mean, on crit builds there's not many super good options.

there's very few melees that get high boosts off crits

[south folio]

there are reasons besidees crit cdr to run non-knife weapons with crit taents

mf the top-right branch is still the same

[patent patrol]

it still in general feels terrible to play.

[south folio]

you still have +50% dr up all the time

like one aspect of a very stacked kit got nerfed

boohoo

and this nerf was just to prevent absurd scaling with enemy density

[patent patrol]

and that one aspect is what helped people who didn't run knife 24/7 keep up.

[marsh hill]

ngl for most missions it doesn't matter and u can always play with whatever weapons u want but in auric damnations the "perfect" builds are sometimes needed and locking people out of their fav builds is not nice

[north sedge]

i dont run knife, never have

[patent patrol]

because knife crits is op.

[marsh hill]

i go stealth, i 1 shot crusher in the back, dopamine hits like crazy

[patent patrol]

there's a reason crit knife has always been top tier in regards to crit builds if you knew what you were doing

[fast tiger]

eh you should be able able to fuck around in auric damnations if you have reasonable enough game sense and intentionally built weapons

maelstrom is the place you should be using perfect builds

[final forge]

looks at crit cdr martydom mk 15 perma stun crusher/mauler packs feelsbad

[patent patrol]

Obviously pubs would show otherwise but again, IF YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING

[marsh hill]

until u get 1 deadweight (there is always 1)

[south folio]

auric damnation should not be the baseline to balance around though

keep in mind that should be near the top end of difficulty

[fast tiger]

depends on how you mean

[fleet zealot]

it should be the baseline difficulty for number balancing

lower tier difficulties just need to be balanced off vibes and fun

[south folio]

keep in mind that it's the 7th difficulty that we have

5 non-aurics and 2 aurics

[final forge]

do i miss getting f back on just whatever packs i run into cus i f them sure, but it was a lil busted

[south folio]

consider that auric missions should be hard

[fast tiger]

number balancing in auric damnation and regular damnation is identical so that’s not a meaningful difference in that regard aexo

the enemy health bars are the same

and the best way they can ensure a tight damnation experience is by balancing weapons directly to that difficulty. the rest of the difficulties are for vibing and leveling

[south folio]

who cares if they're currently identical if the point of the discussion is to alter the difficulty to how they should be

[frosty herald]

Regular damnation is the best balance point

Back then it was malice because we only had 5 difficulties

[marsh hill]

i've died on a malice i was carrying my friend for to level cuz i dodged into a cliff

[fast tiger]

… ok

[marsh hill]

what spamming space D does to a mf

but yeah u right

[fast tiger]

and that’s why i said it depends on what you mean

[south folio]

i'm sure we can allow for some more resolution in the top end and shift the difficulty range a bit higher instead of having some massive jump between auric damn and auric mael

[fast tiger]

also i’ll point out the person who initiated the topic of auric damnation being the difficulty to balance on was you, not me, i never said that and wouldn’t position my take like that

mostly because auric is just doubling modifier waves so what would be the point in trying to balance around that

or like, lights out

it doesn’t make sense to try balancing around those to begin with

[south folio]

that's just how i interpret what a difficulty where you can "fuck around with good enough game sense and blah blah" to be

[north sedge]

gentlemen please, we must get back to the topic at hand, knife is apparently the only weapon option now

[fast tiger]

point being auric damnation if you have 4 reasonably good people in it shouldn’t be a problem and does in fact afford you a little goofing off in your build

[final forge]

balancing weps to not to be able to wipe out auric packs like nothing is a right call goes almost hand in hand with it being balanced to damn

[south folio]

oh it's a premade then that makes sense

i thought you were talking about solo queuing

[fast tiger]

not even premade but obviously pugs are a volatile environment

[south folio]

premade is p much the only time you'll get 4 competent players

[north sedge]

i dunno i remember we had these two morons in hab dreyko that one time

[fast tiger]

statistically yes, i’m not gonna act like solo queue has a great success rate, you’re usually carrying a person

my overall argument was you don’t need a picture perfect build to complete auric damnations

maelstrom is the difficulty where it’s a build test for everyone

[south folio]

yeah, and i'm saying that auric damn should still have its difficulty bumped up

because the normal board difficulties exist

[final forge]

auric maels are sometimes easier than auric damn

often actually

[fast tiger]

this is the first time i’m reading you saying that

[final forge]

from my exp at least

[south folio]

my point is to not use auric damnation as a baseline for which most solo competent players should be able to faff around on

[fast tiger]

if that’s how you meant that fine but i don’t think it’s reasonable i’m supposed to read that as “i would like the difficulty increased”

[south folio]

and to instead make a lower difficulty that baseline

[fast tiger]

that could just as easily mean you see it as hard already

[south folio]

i mean bumping up the difficulty of auric damn is just a part of making auric missions harder

there's only auric heresy, auric damn, and the maelstrom in the category of auric missions

[spare dome]

i wonder what auric heresy is even like

[median steeple]

like normal damnation

[fast tiger]

i think you can attribute a little of that to people queueing for maelstrom because they’re actually ready for the, as opposed to people kinda waltzing into auric 5s

[open pollen]

So, there's no blue title for The Void. Which probably means they're working on more maps for it. But that makes me wonder, if we won't be getting maps for existing zones because that would change the parameters for the blue title penances?

[median steeple]

at least ime

same type of players also

[final forge]

best way to bump auric difficutly is to tune alot of things down, otherwise its just spam more mobs :S

weapon/talent wise

[median steeple]

I rather they tune us down than spam more mobs at us

I hate fighting 3 crushers and 5 flamers

[south folio]

yeah which is why i want a bunch of buffs/nerfs/giving some more depth in melee

[median steeple]

while getting netted through them all

[final forge]

lots of ppl who arnt from my exp as well trying to get the penance

[fast tiger]

yeah i mean if they were to make auric 5s harder i think they’d have to just buff specials and elites

because increasing quantity is unfun

[open pollen]

Wait, there's balancing in Darktide?

[crisp furnace]

No

[open pollen]

I kinda thought folks were just winging it

[fast tiger]

i always forget about the penance cheesers

[final forge]

you tune op things down not up cus then the weps/talents left behind are still behind

[elfin steppe]

so what is Explosion?

[crisp furnace]

They didn’t even nerf voc or plasma

Balance ain’t the priority

[south folio]

same explosion as boltgun

[fast tiger]

the explosion bolt rounds make

they take a moment to prime but afaik this blessing makes it so they are always primed

[final zealot]

I LOVE KILLING HERETICS IN THE NAME OF THE GOD EMPOWER.

[elfin steppe]

what?

[open pollen]

Boltguns fire explosive rounds that only explode after a certain range.

Otherwise they're just high calibre bullets, no?

Rocket propelled bullets

[fast tiger]

gyrojets 😎

[elfin steppe]

but i've tested it at meatgrinder, it does not deal any higher damage

[fast tiger]

nah it doesn’t

[open pollen]

But does it do AOE

[fast tiger]

not really

[elfin steppe]

so what's the point of this thing

[fast tiger]

the explosion is nominal damage and increased stagger aoe

[spare dome]

its to make space

[elfin steppe]

no, i don't think it does anything except for stagger.

[ripe quest]

yee the blessing mults the prime timer by 0x

[open pollen]

its prime time

[fast tiger]

it’s so cool having someone in here that knows the code

[ripe quest]

It was updated to apply damage.
Mainly ADMS were changed.

[fast tiger]

it solves so many problems

[spare dome]

prime primetime priming times

[ripe quest]

I'll grab exact changes in a sec

[elfin steppe]

what is ADMS

[ripe quest]

Armor damage modifiers

I caps'd the S on accident

[open pollen]

EMPRAH IN CHARGE, OF OUR DAYS, AND OUR NIIIIIGHTS 🎵

[open pollen]

https://youtu.be/iogB_tDPweY?si=zYKPx-qI8aopIEy9&t=119

[ripe quest]

hmm it appears the Krak grenade got a buff lol

[open pollen]

How so?

[elfin steppe]

2000+ daily players and they nerfed zealots.

[open pollen]

Man, I wish water came in aluminum cans. I like crackin' open cold ones but I donnae drink beer and soda leaves me so thirsty!

[ripe quest]

20% damage buff

[open pollen]

Nice!

[fast tiger]

man rest in peace ted

[crisp furnace]

Even more op

[spare dome]

to pop bulwarks i guess??

[vestal pine]

gotta be shitting me

vets get all the buffs

time to main melee vet now

[fast tiger]

liquid death sounds up your alley

[open pollen]

Vets hording talent nodes. I heard they sole em from Psyker

[fast tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-death-gif-25359245

[open pollen]

Isn't that just seltzer water? Also known as water that tastes bad?

[north sedge]

can't believe zealot is dead RIP, guess i'll switch to playing zealot still

[median steeple]

hmmm so full of stam nodes

[open pollen]

Like Lacroix

[fast tiger]

they have still water as well

[open pollen]

Oh shit, gotta try that then

[vestal pine]

cant believe zealot is dead

[open pollen]

ZEALOT is DEAD!?

[ripe quest]

Boltpistol stop explosion: 0 damage
Boltpistol kill explosion: 50 power distribution (iirc this is 1:1 with damage)

[stable cypress]

zealot is dead, long live zealot

[open pollen]

Who killed zealot!

[spare dome]

-sips from bottle of still water-
"wow, it really still is water!"

[median steeple]

brother is paying for brand water

[fast tiger]

it’s actually pretty good, it’s ~alps water~

[north sedge]

it was colonel mustard with the candlestick

[open pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-heavy-gif-19753303

[ripe quest]

The Boltgun's stop explosion went from 50 power to 0, kill explosion stayed at 50 power.

[open pollen]

I am paying for the experience of crackin' open a cold one without any of the adverse effects.

[ripe quest]

So if you want an AoE damage you gotta kill them

[median steeple]

you are WEAK

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-gif-14141276552966470862

[open pollen]

Are you implying I should try and crack open bottled water? Or worse, BOXED WATER!?

[fast tiger]

liquid death is also advertised to people in recovery so they can look like they’re drinking at bars and parties without actually drinking alcohol

so no one bothers them about being sober

[open pollen]

Oh, allow me to crack open a GLASS of water.

[median steeple]

glass makes it taste better

[fast tiger]

i’m with CCIS on this one

[open pollen]

What I'm gonna do, dunk me fingies and make a psst sound?

[median steeple]

yes

[woeful pecan]

Pretty sure the brand started as a way to allow people to avoid alcohol without getting crap from other people

[open pollen]

Then it's a noble charity worth supporting

[fast tiger]

yep just said that lol

also they donate part of their earnings to recycling orgs

[open pollen]

Good, because I don't recycle.

[woeful pecan]

Ah, missed it. My bad

[fleet zealot]

the area around bolt shots

[neat drum]

The god who?

[hot cloud]

Argh I knew something felt off. So the millions of ordo and crafting mats I dumped into building around this one talent are down the drain. I guess I don't play zealot then thanks FS.

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/iggydr-the-pipes-danny-oh-danny-danny-boy-gif-19161378

[next egret]

Are gunners elites?
Anyone know?

[open pollen]

Probably still good for weapons with fast attacks and high native crit, like knife.

[north sedge]

yes

[open pollen]

And did they nerf the backstab one? Because 20% is 20%

[north sedge]

no

[open pollen]

You could try and flex into that one

[north sedge]

only crit was, cause it was fucked up

[next egret]

That's surprising

[open pollen]

I kinda wish holy revenant was base kit zealot. It still feels like a must get for me. Maybe cause bad? Maybe.

But base kit in the way Ogryn's uninterruptable saves are base kit. Bring back iconics!

They could replace the talent with something that gives a damage buff during the invincibility or something. Like a tax node for the subsequent health regen.

I cannae even remember psykers iconics

[spare dome]

was warp charges

[open pollen]

Nar, really? They really got the short end of the magic stick huh

And they're fine with it, chill buggers.

[tall plume]

bring back old holy revenant where you could go from 0 hp to max

[open pollen]

"Nar, we donnae need more magic sticks! Psyker has enough nodes!" nothin' gets em down

[hot cloud]

Could be, but it's really heart breaking because I only recently started a zealot and tapped out my resources getting a sick Tigrus with shred and savage sweep.

[spare dome]

honestly would like to see them revisit the idea more in order to rebalance some of the trees. cause i kinda agree about until death, and i also hold the opinion that maybe grenade regen should just be a vet innate too

[open pollen]

Thar thar, ye can respec when da craftin' updaet comes.

[open pollen]

Aye, I could appreciate that. They could redo smokes while they're at it. Have enemies in smoke get debuffed and reduce the opacity so it donnae block folks tryna get a bead.

A buff or debuff on smokes would really cement it as the support option

And having it linger when they leave the smoke would help with the "Enemies just run out of my smoke and resume firing" issue.

[fleet zealot]

lol what

it's nerfed to per swing calm down

[fast tiger]

detective hammer where are you from i have to ask

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tony-stark-if-youre-nothing-without-this-suit-then-you-shouldnt-have-it-gif-25043516

wise words

if you're evi skills and weapon is useless after this change, it's on you

[open pollen]

Arizona. If you donnae know why I add the ae to words, it's because I'm tryna perfect my fanatic RP.

So, would it be Aerizonae?

[fast tiger]

im so sorry

[open pollen]

Its fine, I donnae go outside

[obsidian prairie]

Well I’ll have you know it’s working

[open pollen]

Nothin' but rocks and bugs and angrier bugs and reptiles.

[vestal pine]

to the town of agua fria road a stranger one fine day

[fast tiger]

i’m from the mojave, i get that

[open pollen]

hardly spoke to folks around him, dinnae have too much to say

[fast tiger]

living in the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear win- (gunshot noises)

[spare dome]

i had no idea there was rocks and lizards in that iced tea

[open pollen]

How do you think they make is so delicious? And why the cans are so big?

They mulch a whole Gila into the jug ones.

Gives it a bit o' kick

[fast tiger]

not the little monsters!!!

[spare dome]

my word

[vestal pine]

so

itemization update

[open pollen]

aey, they were not little enough

[vestal pine]

like we have seen

[fast tiger]

cute little incredibly venomous reptiles

[vestal pine]

they nerf the hell out of ceasless barage

and other tier 2 blessings

#theorycrafting but i think they are adding

tier 3,4 versions of those

[fast tiger]

i don’t even know which one ceaseless barrage is

[vestal pine]

fine flechette

also manstopper

and stuff

[open pollen]

Tossing a Gila into a weapon forge emparts the machine spirit with a lvl 2 blessing

[fast tiger]

no i understand your sentiment

but i’m still like fuck which blessing is that

[vestal pine]

one on stubber noone used

[open pollen]

More crit chance the fewer bullets you have

I think

[vestal pine]

nope

which is why it was strange to nerf it

[open pollen]

Inspiring Barrage is the same but with toughness

[fast tiger]

we’re not talking about overwhelming fire are we

[vestal pine]

more you fire you get better supression and more damage to supressed enemies

@fast tiger

[fast tiger]

oh that one on the shredder

[vestal pine]

no

[open pollen]

oh that one

[vestal pine]

only on stubbers

[fast tiger]

i’m almost positive the auto pistol has a blessing like that

[open pollen]

auto pistol is honorary stubbah. Its for the lil' uns who want to grow into big ogryn someday

[fast tiger]

ah it’s powder burn for the auto pistol

[open pollen]

Cooler name, they should rename ceaseless barrage to that

we've a few too many barrages

[vestal pine]

powderburn would be

[fast tiger]

i’m surprised i don’t see ceaseless barrage come up more

[vestal pine]

great on a shotgun

b u t autopistol has no supression

kek

[open pollen]

supression is such a weird stat. Like, I think I give it more credit than most, but most folks would rather spend time killin' than suppressin

[fast tiger]

also this is crucian roulette

[open pollen]

That's for revolvers, there's one for like, autoguns

[fast tiger]

that’s also crucian roulette lol

[vestal pine]

same shit

different scaling

[open pollen]

damn, I must not be good at reading.

[vestal pine]

also broken on vraks 7 since its designed with the other two shits in mind lol you never get good merit out of it

[fast tiger]

cavalcade is the one where you get more crit the longer you fire

crucian is based on missing ammo

[open pollen]

I was thinkin' of cavalcade.

although I thought that was toughness. But that's inspiring barrage

[vestal pine]

lacerate

[fast tiger]

lacerate

[vale kraken]

Prefer bleed on crit

[vestal pine]

you should

[fast tiger]

prefer other weapons

i’ve never been a fan of london sim weapon personally

[polar nexus]

manstopper was nerfed?

[vestal pine]

no

but the stats were changed

it now gives more stagger...

idk why

but i learned that the tier 4 manstopper

has better stagger

]than 2

so

probably thats why they changed

[polar nexus]

ohhh

[vestal pine]

every exclusive blessings now have a some kind of scaling attached to them

flechette was nerfed hard down from 6 to 4 stacks

[polar nexus]

you can use it on vet tho

[vestal pine]

but tier 4 flechette still has 6 stacks

[vestal pine]

still no supression with the talents there lol

i dont htink powderburn really has a merit rn

[polar nexus]

there's a suppression node

[polar nexus]

wait what

[vestal pine]

iknw

[polar nexus]

flechette has tiers now?

[vestal pine]

it always did in the

loadout config

but it never had a desc

now it does

for all variants that were exclusive to certain tier

[polar nexus]

[vestal pine]

think of like brutal momentum wp damage

also we cant get it

i assume its for

itemization update

[fast tiger]

so the expectation here is that the exclusively tier 2 blessings are being updated to be in line with the rest of the blessings for the crafting update

[vestal pine]

but since that was delayed to October

we only gets the nerfs

fun

runngun was buffed to strangely

12% damage

while running

and then i learned that there is tier 4 runngun now with proper locals and giving 15% damage while running

still fucking useless mind you

[polar nexus]

telopots hinted during a steam that blessing with an effect and a modifier were the future

like bm, perfect strike now

[oak blaze]

sold my entire stash for the new hacker shotgun was hoping to get a 375+

the highest i ever got was 359

spent over 300k

[vestal pine]

https://tenor.com/view/gamble-gambling-flipnote-raxdflipnote-gamblecore-gif-728096753915804447

[oak blaze]

[polar nexus]

in two days i spent 7M and 100k plasteel

[vestal pine]

40k plasteel

[oak blaze]

the shop mad rigged bro

[vestal pine]

got all the

tier 4 saul stuff

now i cant get a good saul to put it on

lol

[polar nexus]

i only crafted one or two saul

[oak blaze]

can never get a 380 or a 375+

[vestal pine]

saul is p great

[vestal pine]

has bad maniac damage

[polar nexus]

that will be for my zealot, vet and psyker has funnier stuff

[vestal pine]

but really offset

[oak blaze]

fix the sh0p ; (

[vestal pine]

equivalent to selling entire pantry

[polar nexus]

the pickaxe grind yesterday was sooooooooo bad

[vestal pine]

recommend a pickaxe

well i still have to farm for boltpistol

and shotgun

but yknow

idk

also to people who say the new shotgun is bad:

[polar nexus]

i crafted kars ht + st / st + wrath and branx ht + st

so i am set

[polar nexus]

man scryer gaze shotgun is loooool

i tried it with scattershot and double barrel

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1dom90d/posting_all_4_enforcers/

[median steeple]

they look different now btw

they are now palanite enforcers from necromunda but their symbol is the tertium one

[open pollen]

They still give me bionicle vibes. Its the mask!

[polar nexus]

have some sauce?

[median steeple]

it's in this chat hold on

@polar nexus

[hushed knoll]

Oh Keet it’s you

[polar nexus]

Hi Stan

[polar nexus]

i like the yellow and black

[median steeple]

I like it as well but I prefer the black and brown

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-meme-based-gif-25071581

[hushed knoll]

[royal vortex]

this is p sick

[tranquil finch]

MY OCD

[buoyant pewter]

What are perks I should put on my curios? I’m a mostly melee forward fotf with eviscerator xv and bistol for everything my blade can’t reach

[royal vortex]

toughness/health/gunner resist are good generic ones

some sniper res isn't terrible, +ordos if you want to farm

[buoyant pewter]

Okie dokie thanks

[vestal pine]

so how good is bistol and darrel

[buoyant pewter]

I fuck with bistol heavy

It is essentially the epitome of a “hand cannon”

[vestal pine]

thats a blessing, sorry

[buoyant pewter]

Nah I hear you but like

A cannon in your hand

[vestal pine]

thats bolter, sorry

[buoyant pewter]

[cerulean moth]

ye but it got the bolt

[hard nexus]

thats a fastener, sorry

[spare talon]

The more I try to play with crit cdr the more upset I get cuz I'm just not having fun

[buoyant pewter]

They should let u spend Diamantine to remove the locks

[vestal pine]

shouldve buffed it to 3 seconds

[spare talon]

And I keep getting driven back to it because every game I try to play a different build, like momentum with shock maul, shit just keeps going wrong for literally no reason

[lethal totem]

what blessings do you even want for a bolt pistol

and the new shotgun feels very meh to use so far

[spare talon]

Like I've never been so consistently fucked over constantly with any build since this update, like I actually was struggling in normal damnation when I could bring a momentum build with a weapon I've never used into auric and be just fine

[spare talon]

Surgical deadly accurate seems to work pretty well

[vestal pine]

obviously

they nerfed momentum

next thign they know they nerf marty

🤡

[spare talon]

They didn't nerf it this patch, and it wasn't that hard of a nerf

[vestal pine]

the 6 second hurt more thzn it should

[spare talon]

And I'm talking about my experience AFTER the nerf

[buoyant pewter]

Exactly what I have

[spare talon]

Momentum both before and after has always been a keystone that enhances your core gameplay with an array of reasonably sized buffs

It's never been build defining

[cerulean moth]

loser

[spare talon]

my point was that playing into crit cdr doesnt feel good or rewarding anymore, despite it being my main preference of play, and when i go to any other builds that ive also done well with in the past, the game decides to hand me an L on a silver-lined platter and tells me to eat a fat one, which drives me back to piety which just isnt anywhere near as fun

which is still heavily based on how a few missions went for me personally but still

[sterile stone]

Man

I hate FS balancing

Maelstrom aurics just end up being

How many gunners can we cram into a single square

[vestal pine]

obviously the answer is yes

[fleet zealot]

just play melee only auric maels

[vestal pine]

really need to learn

throwing knives gunner oneshots

i use it only sometimes but need to weave it into my DNA to play zealot now lolz

also as ever smite is blatantly op

[spare talon]

smite has always been op in the worst way, that being inaction

[fleet zealot]

psyker is so busted

no wonder they crack if they're defense is done

holy shit i hate it, smite or trauma and i can't melee anything

[spare talon]

you can just turn the game off
thats why if somethings gonna be busted i prefer it to be from you actively playing the game

i wonder if there was something like that

anyway

[vestal pine]

smite is engaging tbh

in a way where you do wackamole with the enemies that havent been smited

and you're the mole

🤡

[open pollen]

Smite and Choir need similar fixes. Shorter duration, Greater Impact.

[lethal totem]

did they make any changes to the zealot tree? I feel way squishier for some reason

[spare talon]

nothing related to any form of damage mitigation

the two changes they made this last patch is the removal of the ranged rending from chastise, and the cap of 1 proc per swing of crit cdr

[lethal totem]

thats what it is then

[spare talon]

but yes because of that change if youre running piety your overall survivability and toughness gen just tanked

[lethal totem]

I usually run piety

[vestal pine]

you get less chatty and you get fucked

thanks fatshank

[mystic ore]

Not bad for a Brunt's Special

[south folio]

(50% toughness dr and second wind also being in the top-right branch)

[vestal pine]

flak feels absurd on this since it already does fuckton of damage tbh

[spare talon]

yeah i did say nothing related to dr changed

[lethal totem]

I guess I'll swap to momentum then, or maybe try running marty I guess

[spare talon]

just the fact that piety heavily plays into toughness from abilities

[mystic ore]

It's so bonky

[merry flume]

did 2014 and 2015 get fixed yet

[south folio]

yeah i'm referring to your comment about piety builds tanking that much

[merry flume]

tired of crashing 4 times a game

[mystic ore]

If it was your mods it seems better now

[spare talon]

i mean ive certainly felt it, quite hard too

[south folio]

you still have some CDR, just that it doesn't scale by a ridiculous amount according to the amount of chaff around

and you still have 50% tdr and second wind

[lethal totem]

yee dunno what the appeal is to make CDs way longer

when zealots whole deal is getting stuck in

[spare dome]

i mean normally "bottomless ults" is something you'd pull out of a cheap cheat engine

[south folio]

cuz you can be aggressive w/ less fury uptime
just that fury bumps it up to eleven with the dash and whatnot

[spare talon]

the thing is honestly
the situations where you are only hitting a few things are where the pain points are vs hitting a billion things
cuz in situations where youre hitting a million things is during hordes, which are situations where abilities arent really needed
if youre hitting a few enemies, theyre likely bruisers or elites, in which case the cdr is valuable

[south folio]

just that you can't spam it like a degenerate and have to worry about your ult cd more now

[spare talon]

if youre in a situation where youre hitting only one thing, even if its a boss, youre not in enough danger for the cdr rate to be a pain point, so the changes dont affect anything in this situation

but its when more than a few elites are in the picture is it really felt

[south folio]

on the other hand, your cleave is limited anyways by elites

[vestal pine]

dont need fo4f when you're stunlocking 4 ragers i guarantee you

with perfect strike no less

🤡

[lethal totem]

I guess I go try to spam backstab kills again

[spare talon]

yeah but hitting 2-3 elites is still 2-3x more procs than 1

[south folio]

yeah i kno

w

[spare talon]

in a situation where it is significantly more impactful

[south folio]

just that it isn't like 10 vs 1

[vestal pine]

the new change doesnt help

any heavy hitters

[south folio]

and keep in mind that the ult still ticks down wrt time

[vestal pine]

and the backstab kills favors those who have mobility

so knife goes for both

[south folio]

you do not need that much mobility to go behind an enemy

[vestal pine]

no

[south folio]

yes

[spare talon]

like i know having it uncapped is too powerful
but capped at 1 per swing really doesnt feel that impactful in the slightest unless you are using a weapon with insane attack speed and just forgo using any heavy attacks

[vestal pine]

hammer movement feels chunky and the enemies take 1 nanosecond to turn toward you negating the cooldown reduction

[spare talon]

having it capped at 2-3 would make it not instantly regen in hordes but still make weapons that are slower but hit more targets still able to keep up

[south folio]

it's still 1.5s per swing which is pretty damn impactful

[vestal pine]

evi swings in... every second. idk.

2h weaponry got shafted

[south folio]

i'd do a nerf like make it 0.5s and then allow it for 3 targets then

rather than just keep the current 1.5s

[spare talon]

the angle you need to be at for it to actually count as a backstab is rather difficult to force when they just keep turning to face you

[south folio]

can't have buffs w/o corresponding nerfs, given that you've acknowledged that old invocation was ridiculous

[vestal pine]

in which you can use mobility to counter-counter

[south folio]

yeah and stagger weapons get favored

it's not just mobility weapons that favored, and you don't need that much speed to go behind an enemy

it's like damn i can't be a degenerate while breaking tracking as a mauler is overheading but that's fine

[vestal pine]

except no 2h weaponry has good mobility to do so unfortunately unless you dispense stagger like its nothing, and relic is useless in this regard

[south folio]

have you missed my point that you don't need good mobility

okay mobility is fine

[vestal pine]

you dont need good mobility if enemy ai doesnt turn enemies in 1 nanoseconds

[spare talon]

yeah it was insane cuz if it being uncapped specifically, allowing for instant regens in a horde
but like i said, hordes arent really situations where you realistically need a zealot ability in the first place

[vestal pine]

backstab is while wack not consistent

[south folio]

yeah so what does it matter

they cut off a degenerate case and we move on

going by your numbers, it went from 2-3x to 1 in important scenarios

good enough

and keep in mind this is the power of a single talent

[vestal pine]

looks at psyker, vet

[cerulean moth]

Full bore on this new shotty is kidna poop

[south folio]

it's almost like i advocate for nerfs for psyker and vet as well

[spare talon]

which realistically if youre going for it, youre building into with multiple prior talents, weapon choice and maybe blessing, and even your keystone

[south folio]

i'm completely the wrong person to respond with this

my whole agenda is to nerf shit

[vestal pine]

psyker is fine rn

[south folio]

mf

what

[delicate shadow]

psyker is not fine

[south folio]

alright i'm pulling out my psyker main card

[cerulean moth]

Psyker is PERFECT JUST THE WAY IT IS

[south folio]

it's absolutely fucking not fine

trauma is degenerate

smite is degenerate

[delicate shadow]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1GAgL5pRVmvw38/XTRhshTW888b?invite=cr-MSxYZEosMjA3NTgzNjU1LA

[south folio]

assail has way too many shards

[delicate shadow]

this is not fine

[royal vortex]

@south folio did u see the psyker talent datamine

[south folio]

i saw some of it

[royal vortex]

syllogism posted some and so did exhillious

[cerulean moth]

Insteaed of saying what is psyker. or how is psyker...how about, How is psyker?

[south folio]

kill psyker

[cerulean moth]

they are sad

[velvet swallow]

Hello is the new shotgun good?

[cerulean moth]

its fun

i go knife zealot with it to take out shooters/gunners

[royal vortex]

#zealot-class message

[vestal pine]

imho psyker is in reletively in good balance
some degen weapons here n there but it's fine
vet is just overpowered in general, tone down the nodes a bit and it should be fine

zealot is... something.

[cerulean moth]

zealot is D tier and needs my rending back for gun zealot revival

[delicate shadow]

no it isn't

[cerulean moth]

most opressed class

[south folio]

dear god

[delicate shadow]

zealot is still very good lol

[cerulean moth]

im review bombing

right now

for nerfing my class

[south folio]

a new talent that interacts with peril

[royal vortex]

tbh the thing i can see as being legitimate is there's not a great deal of armor piercing guns

however

[spare dome]

show me these talents

[cerulean moth]

I was a Darcy alt

[royal vortex]

i saw someone say "the chastise nerf ruins headhunter on zealot because you used the good flak adm to shoot crushers with it"

[cerulean moth]

and this is my power sword nerf ark

[royal vortex]

i wanted to kill this guy

[velvet swallow]

after looking at one (1) negative review of zealot, i have concluded that the class is now dead.

[royal vortex]

headhunter on vraks 3

[south folio]

it's joever

[royal vortex]

hh/deadly accurate

even

shoot crusher heads

annihilate

you don't need chastise for that

[south folio]

yeah and psyker happens to have a lot of degen weapons in their kit

[vestal pine]

takes too long for my taste

[south folio]

can't just brush it off as "some weapons" when they have so few class weapons and a good portion of them are degenerate

mf

[vestal pine]

but it works

[cerulean moth]

https://tenor.com/bApSq.gif

Its so true bro

its so true...

[vestal pine]

outside of trauma just being dumb in stagger i dont think any of them are overpowered in its own right

[south folio]

if i just roll some dice, i'm relatively likely to land on being able to take some stupid strong weapons

[vestal pine]

rolls 1 to nerf greninja

[south folio]

smite is stupid, assail has too many maximum shards and a boring regen talent, infinite cleave needs to be deleted or neutered in some way (trauma and purg), ds4 (and ds2 now) is a weapon, deimos is a weapon, perilous combustion is a talent, soulblaze stacking in general is stupid,

i don't use surge or voidstrike so i can't comment on them

there is definitely a lot of stuff that needs to be tuned down or deleted (perilous combustion)

[cerulean moth]

Make BB stacks decay all at once again

easy fix

https://tenor.com/pjqlbABzoAJ.gif

[delicate shadow]

surge staff is shite, voidstrike is busted af

[vestal pine]

only shit i nuke about are smite EP and trauma which makes games trivial due to their stagger proportions
otherwise imho things you listed are a active participation credits on a class that is fragile designed to work that way

voidstrike also has stupid stagger but least its not trauma stagger lmao

[south folio]

active participation be like destroy an entire elite patrol by killing only a few eliets https://streamable.com/hnjmox

assail having 10 shards is not participation at all because you can just spam and forget about it

you will never ever need to continuously fire off shards or risk hitting the cap and losing out on regen time

[delicate shadow]

I participate by one shotting the crusher with a ds crit and watching soulblaze melt the screen

so interactive

[south folio]

infinite cleave + big aoe is stupid, so purg also needs to get tuned down

[cerulean moth]

WHAT IS THAT HUD

YOUR TERRIBLE

[south folio]

a good hud

[crisp furnace]

relic sucks

[south folio]

you can see the 1 braincell i used in this clip

[crisp furnace]

because you stop fighting

[south folio]

mf big ass rager patrol and i can just walk into them

what a threatening enemy they are

[misty mason]

Have we heard anything on whether CDR per swing change was intentional?

[crisp furnace]

it was

[south folio]

it's intentional
they updated the patch notes with it

[misty mason]

I dont remember seeing it mentioned in the patch notes and saw people floating that it could be a bug

Ah there you go

OK yeah I figured it was probably intentional, but hoped not

[vestal pine]

only reason id nuke pruga is that it has too much merit for being a infinite ammo weapon

[misty mason]

It is kind of problematic in the sense that it greatly affects some weapons and barely others

As in hi cleave vs low

[south folio]

ammo isn't a problem though

not a good merit to nuke it by

[vestal pine]

staffs usually do this, but you have stuff like surge

[misty mason]

Knife bois dgaf, evisc in shambles

[vestal pine]

and then other staffs are just there

nuking everything

[crisp furnace]

Evis irrel

[spare talon]

its hurt dclaw quite a bit

despite its attack speed

[fast tiger]

they should probably just do the work of balancing it on a per melee weapon family basis

[spare talon]

as it is very much a cleave based weapon

like i am having significantly much less fun in the game

[fast tiger]

tac axes, combat blades and the XIII chsword being significantly less affected is lame

[crisp furnace]

the evis kinda sucked anyway

worse heavy sword

[vestal pine]

the answer is to parry kill from behind

[fast tiger]

worse heavy sword that can trivialize maulers and deal with crushers easily

[misty mason]

Yeah Rashad I noticed it but didn't seem too bad

[spare talon]

or make it cap at 2-3 enemies per swing
so that high attack speed single target weapons are still just as viable with it, but so are weapons that attack slower but hit multiple targets (without making it give half your ult back in 1 swing)

[vestal pine]

does people use piety rashad

[crisp furnace]

no

rashad too slow

[spare talon]

even tho its a finesse weapon

youre better off using either other keystone

[vestal pine]

dclaw is... fineish

rn

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[vestal pine]

not the best its been tho

not sure what to use with the saul

[fast tiger]

probably momentum id imagine

[vestal pine]

for crusher ive been using piety

[spare talon]

as youd have the extra points youd spend to back up your crits now to put toward other things

for rashad

[fleet zealot]

omg they really buffed recon

jfc

[vestal pine]

time to main vet

[cerulean moth]

its so real now

its great

[vestal pine]

id declare zealotchat dead

[cerulean moth]

Yep

[fast tiger]

sneaky cat in vet chat has been going apeshit over the updated recons

[cerulean moth]

chasite nerf did it

[vestal pine]

togryn melee good anyway?

[cerulean moth]

totallty

[delicate shadow]

balance is when 1 twink psyker is apparently in the same weight class as 30 ogryns

[vestal pine]

they nerfed my shovi tho

[fast tiger]

hey thats not fair. my psyker is at least a twunk

[sterile stone]

We're putting a shotgun in your hands and sending you into Tertium alone

Do the Emperor proud