zealot-class

[spare talon]

Actually he is perpetually having a stroke
It's when he speaks normally that we start to be concerned

[misty mason]

Most normal Stan behaviour

Any excuse to put on a wizard hat

Has anything outside of pickaxe and bolt pistol been mentioned?

@hushed knoll What should I have for lunch?

[hushed knoll]

Tomato soup made with mixing water and ketchup

[left iron]

Damn your lunches suck

[hushed knoll]

Ban Lake sounds like where @lusty turtle goes on vacation

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

Apparently it's perfectly valid

No cthulu eyes please

[misty mason]

Thanks for the suggestion, but could you recommend something good instead?

[hushed knoll]

Try taking Campbell's soup and putting siced swiss cheese at the bottom of a bowl and pouring the Campbell's soup over it

And pour in some minute white rice at the end

So it's al dente

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

That's a classic lunch for me

Tomato soup

[left iron]

Can you recommend something edible instead?

[hushed knoll]

It is edible

[misty mason]

Crunchy rice

[hushed knoll]

Ot

It's not crunchy

It's al dente

[left iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1139651508892352533.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[hushed knoll]

NO

NOTES

[misty mason]

Do you prefer your eggs crunchy too?

[left iron]

I mean, he prefers his bacon floppy and raw, so

[misty mason]

Bacon & eggs
Nice crunchy eggs and runny bacon

[left iron]

Stans magnum opus

[fleet zealot]

i've been stann'd so hard

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-broly-goku-super-saiyan-blue-gif-23712865

[maiden path]

no one should be allowed to play elden ring dlc if they arent me

[drowsy steppe]

WHA

[left iron]

[fleet zealot]

hang in there

[buoyant pewter]

Y’all if I’m going for a melee fury of the faithful build with flamer and second eviscerator, what kinda talent tree should I have? I’ve been using throwing knives for ranged but I’m not hard stuck to that

[fleet zealot]

throwing knives are the best with flamer just cause you need them for specialists out of your range, picking the crit talents if going blazing piety, picking the other opposite 2 if not

[buoyant pewter]

Oh okie dokie

Do you suggest blazing piety or momentum or is it kinda same same

[vestal pine]

just bog standard vuild

[buoyant pewter]

Idk what that is

[vestal pine]

you take onives, then benediction, then fotf, and whatever keystone you fancy

[buoyant pewter]

Oh okay thanks

[vestal pine]

grabbing nessesary talents like revanant, thy wrath be swift n so on

[spare talon]

Momentum and piety are personal preference, but which you take is gonna dictate a few nodes and blessings you take

[fleet zealot]

yea, martyrdom, for all it's melee power boosting, doens't have a viable cdr option so in the case of like, flamer, where ability usuage is pretty important, blazing or momentum is taken

[vestal pine]

recommend a mk12 chaxe build
and should i run thrust on it or headtaker
latter gives me better lightspam and PA while former gives me oneshots for bulwarks and muties p sure

[fleet zealot]

thrust headtaker

[spare talon]

Momentum is just consistent reliable damage, atk speed, and dodge buffs
Piety is reliable crit chance, basically solely for the purpose of very high ability uptime with crit cdr

[frosty herald]

RAAAAAGHHHH

[fleet zealot]

mk12 push attack is just a stab not a sweep like mk4

[vestal pine]

slaughterer is set

[vestal pine]

it also does crazy damage with good finesse bonus but ye single target

[fleet zealot]

🤷 rough, mk12 will have trouble getting the initial slaughter ramped up

[spare talon]

I personally think it's raw base damage is kinda fucking stupid tbh
I don't think it's an issue

[vestal pine]

other mk12 i have is bloodletter thunseeous
+unyielding unarmored

[spare talon]

Like elites die in 3 light attacks, 2 with buffs stacked up

[vestal pine]

feel like the cleave leaves a lot to be desired

[spare talon]

I mean
It IS an axe

[vestal pine]

i wonder how brutal momentum would work with an chain weapon

especialyl revup attacks

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/thistle-thistle-dungeon-meshi-thistle-delicious-in-dungeon-gif-14082559027048028776

[sterile basalt]

That’s the neat part, it doesn’t

[vestal pine]

well lets say if it did
would it only transfer the last rip damage

[hushed knoll]

[vestal pine]

now i want a chain weapon that you cant dodge out of but constantly deals high damage to the target untik its ded so either yiu die or hte target dies

[hushed knoll]

Floppy bacon is best

[spare talon]

That's a weird way to say raw

[sterile basalt]

That’s the neat part
It doesn’t, that’s why none of them get it

[hushed knoll]

It's not raw

[vestal pine]

fun

anyhoo

[spare talon]

I know these images you're posting are elden ring but the gods are looking fondly on me cuz they arent loading

[vestal pine]

cleave seems quite dubious for mk12 chaxe

[vestal pine]

mohg spawncaming you

also how do you go into dlc

is it a dreamworld

[frosty herald]

No spoilers just the moment you walk out of the teleport area

[vestal pine]

or some flying dragon transports your lazy ass up thrrr

oh its teleport

sounds fun.

[spare talon]

Where's the yeet arm comic
I refuse to believe that that's not how you start it

[vestal pine]

i wonder if any of the nokstella people dug up to the surface and ran

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stress-aaa-get-out-of-my-head-stop-it-gif-14837781396551871532

[vestal pine]

some parts have really long elevators so idk

[median steeple]

the difficulty spike from base to dlc is killing me

[frosty herald]

I almost got killed 3 times by the first enemy

[median steeple]

yeah it's a little wild

boss music goes hard tho

[sterile basalt]

Is it like doom eternal vs the ancient gods DLC

[sterile stone]

Get folded at first boss

Rage quit belden bing

[median steeple]

way harder

[fleet zealot]

wrong

that state right as the edges get crispy

that's the perfect time to take it off

[visual blade]

shame this person

[spare talon]

I have an alt zealot named I shat your pants and another named boobs heehee

[visual blade]

2nd one is okay

first one... why

[spare talon]

The third is let me solo nurgle but that doesn't have the same gremlin vibe as the first two

[sterile stone]

Colbert

Did the shop update today?

[hushed knoll]

[crimson shale]

How many enemies can the chain sword XII can cleave?

[fleet zealot]

oh chsword

doesn't have a hard cap, based on cleave, and chswords are unique that the crit damage part of the calculation won't fall off

[crimson shale]

So if I use a cleave blessing it’s a waste?

I was using the one that increase cleave on hit, guess rampage would be better

[fleet zealot]

nope

[spare talon]

I don't think so, I thought that wad last week

[fleet zealot]

mk12 likes wrath specifically

[spare talon]

I've been at work today so I didn't check

[fleet zealot]

the issue is that chsword will run out of cleave, the hard cap i'm refering to is damage

tho shred+rampage is viable since rampage does give power (tooltip is wrong)

[hushed knoll]

Wow ur name got fucked

[fleet zealot]

Yea

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-clueless-clueless-emote-wojak-disturbed-gif-24266075

What’s worse is that stan did banut which was okay i can live with that

[hushed knoll]

There is no Starbucks on Toril

[fleet zealot]

Huh

[obsidian prairie]

Eberron though

[crimson shale]

Thanks gonna keep rampage I think

I think chainsword is my favourite weapon

[buoyant pewter]

So how does rating upgrading work? Like when I purchase items, for it to drop at a higher rating, Is it based on the raw rating of my items, or does it also consider all the mods, like the final rating?

[buoyant pewter]

That is a suspiciously appealing shrine

[ornate bone]

so we getting pickaxe weapons next week

🤔

[fleet zealot]

Ogryn is

[hushed knoll]

[fleet zealot]

Weapon upgrading rng is based on the base modifiers score, a 380 will more likely roll t4s then a 300 for example

[hushed knoll]

WADIYA TALKIN ABEET @nimble fiber

[shy onyx]

Only one of those would work and it’s the shark

[fleet zealot]

What you have equipped/in backpack doesn’t matter, every level 30 player has the same rng

[sterile stone]

How many stuffed animals do you own gamer

[fleet zealot]

At least 4

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[fleet zealot]

And i still need the shark

[sterile stone]

Doesn't IKEA sell them en masse

[median steeple]

first major boss of the DLC is done

fuck me

thats hard

[sterile stone]

Is it the one from the game preview

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-morning-good-morning-gif-12990329504621581877

no it was not

[sterile stone]

Oh....

[median steeple]

I've seen that boss

and holy fuck

you fight camera more than him

[sterile stone]

Yeah that boss doesn't look fun does it

[fleet zealot]

Me rn

[sterile stone]

That fucking ensembles of endless attacks

Bro said

Gimmie all the damage

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-avatar-the-last-airbender-aang-bending-gif-3850237

[sterile stone]

Saw the guy fighting him struggle

With a coop pardner

[sterile stone]

You just need a lil choc milk

That'll get your gamer engine goin

[fleet zealot]

Strawby

[sterile stone]

We are no longer friends

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-pepe-the-frog-walk-out-bye-gif-17020862

[fleet zealot]

thats homophobic /j

[sterile stone]

Strawberry milk gotta be the most awful invention this side of the galaxy

[fleet zealot]

You know what milk i like more i cant find it anywhere anymore

[sterile stone]

The vanilla blue milk?

[fleet zealot]

There was an orange cream milk powder

No

Wtf

[sterile stone]

Oh

Disregard that comment

[fleet zealot]

It made it taste like an orange creamsicle

[median steeple]

God I want a milkshake so badly

its 19C rn its the perfect weather for it

[sterile stone]

A buddy of mine went to a coop I think?

What's the place farmers go to sell their stuff

To like the regular people

In a lil market

[fleet zealot]

Milkshake would hit good

[median steeple]

the only thing In know about COOPs is the gas station

[sterile stone]

Word

Anyways

[median steeple]

like a farmers market?

[sterile stone]

He bought a glass jug of rootbeer float esque milk

[sterile stone]

Yeah that's the term

Guy said they sold all types of exotic milks

[median steeple]

GRAH THIS FUCKIGN BOSS

[sterile stone]

Take a break

[north sedge]

Which one

[sterile stone]

Drink some choc milk

Circle back around

[spare talon]

The first one? Someone else said he's rough

Still just under 3 hours to go for me

[median steeple]

The boss from the gameplay preview

I beat a major boss already but this mf

[north sedge]

The liom guy?

[median steeple]

yes

[spare talon]

I haven't even watched anything from the gameplay preview

I've only seen that field boss in the first plain and the narrative trailer

[median steeple]

I got his ass

https://tenor.com/view/exhausted-sleep-haggard-gif-8501838

[shy onyx]

7

[ivory marlin]

20

All in storage

Except for 2

[median steeple]

I have found peak drip

[ivory marlin]

Thank you i try hard to look good

[north sedge]

The lion helm?

[median steeple]

Minor non story spoilers

but this is amazing

I like the lion helm a lot but I'll use it like the mimic helm from dark souls

[hushed knoll]

YAAAAAS SOUP

[visual stream]

stan spelled it right

[hushed knoll]

Why would I not

[median steeple]

sadly he spelt it with 5 As instead of 4

[hushed knoll]

Wtf Cane

Cain

I can spell jut fine

[wraith cipher]

yo long time no see yall

whats the meta?

for zealot

[ivory marlin]

Hi stan

[hushed knoll]

[ivory marlin]

I love modded terraria

[visual stream]

Whatever is fun for you

jk jk most things work great but knife and revolver are especially cracked

[wraith cipher]

we came full circle knife and revo is the meta lmao

[median steeple]

yeah nothing has really changed in a while and yes revolver is one of the best ranged weapons with HC and surgical

[visual stream]

mfw yeehaw bullets do more damage than literal rocket propelled grenade bullets:

[wraith cipher]

is it that new knife

or still the old one

and the fanning hc or the old one

[median steeple]

zarona the old one

the fanning one isnt that good

[visual stream]

Still very good iirc, just a downgrade in more ways than a sidegrade to the other revolver

[spare talon]

Faster reload and fire rate at the cost of
Cleave
Armor pen
Accuracy
Range
Flat damage

[visual stream]

I feel like the quickdraw one would be cool if they gave it more cleave than regular revolver

Kinda like doing tricks with the flashier revolver for collats and stuff

[spiral anvil]

I would say both revolvers are equally accurate

As long as you don't spam the hip fire one

[ornate bone]

zarona has everything im looking for in a secondary weapon to dclaw

the other one does not

[vestal pine]

you forgot absurdly large unyielding damage

cause it does more than zarona

idk the logic

[visual stream]

It's even yeehawier?

[vestal pine]

yeehaw

[spiral anvil]

You can brrt bosses in 2-3 reloads

That's the sole reason it exists

[vestal pine]

its either an ogrynhunter or a pocket thammer

and for the latter thammer does a better job

[spiral anvil]

Does it at least stagger bulwarks if you shoot the head, or nah

[vestal pine]

..idk

you just

unload every bullets into his noggin

so i never saw if that was possible lmao

[tropic pelican]

dont need stagger if you can just kill the thing

[vestal pine]

i think unyielding does like 670 per bullet

when zarona is like, 600

[misty mason]

Stan #1 gaslighter

[visual stream]

rez a vet

he instantly shoots a poxburster in front of me

funny way of showing gratitude

[sleek quartz]

laser sight on the yeehaw gun is pretty fun

[ornate bone]

my poor 380 is gonna have to wait some more months rip

im not too upset tho cos my current dclaw is so close to perfect u probably wouldnt be able to tell the difference

FINALLY

[abstract briar]

Gorgeous.

[ornate bone]

what is revo bash even used for btw

[fleet zealot]

Using it in airlocks and elevators

Uhh hypothetically if you have a lone bruiser or poxer but you need to be shooting you can stagger them i ghess

[vestal pine]

point blank blessing

[ornate bone]

me

[ornate bone]

wife spotted

[maiden path]

erm thats a cat

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-freak-puppy-stare-cute-reaction-gif-15215675160072457679

[rose flower]

New skin idea

Turn the Crusher maul into a WWE steel chair

[maiden path]

bah gawd is that a zealot

WITH A STEeL CHAIR

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-chairshot-jeff-hardy-2001-wwf-gif-25792989

[rose flower]

Wolfer going for the pin!

1… 2…

BY GOD THE ZEALOT WITH A POWER CHAIR

[maiden path]

BAH GAWD HE IS BROKEN IN HALF

[neon gyro]

go on..

[spare talon]

this channel really is gonna be dead for the next few days huh

[vestal pine]

i mean

what is there to talk about

[spare talon]

anything and everything

zealot channel always does

but people are gonna be too busy ringing they elder

[vestal pine]

fine should we talk about lacerate for another hour call me

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/chinyk772-chinyk-fight-kratos-gif-13125980

[vestal pine]

accruate cause lacerate would be eternal :kek;

[royal vortex]

those ogryn pickaxes look so sick

[vestal pine]

3 variation seems nice

from the getgo

i assume its variations

if it's just a skin then its ass

[royal vortex]

datamining suggests we should also be getting double barrel variants, maybe shock mauls too

[vestal pine]

since they have shown multiple pickaxes instead of showing one i frigging hope so

[royal vortex]

one double barrel has a bash and the other two have special rounds of varying strength, one of the special shots has the highest gibbing force in the game

[vestal pine]

idk about shockmauls or boltpistol

[vestal pine]

thats from a datamine?

that seems fun

[royal vortex]

boltpistol i think will be singular

[royal vortex]

yeah

[vestal pine]

like bolters

hm

awesome where can iread about it

[royal vortex]

you'd have to consult a very purple wizard

@ripe quest

[south folio]

I M P O S S I B L E

[royal vortex]

"young jew"

[south folio]

die

[royal vortex]

what the FUCK happened to you

[ripe quest]

I've been summoned what's up

[south folio]

you know what happened

[vestal pine]

he said my lacerate was bad smh

[royal vortex]

double barrels

[south folio]

a certain somebody turned "juice" into "jews"

[royal vortex]

lmao

[south folio]

and i doubt the phone was at fault this time

[ripe quest]

Balance discussions are the hobby but datamine discussions are business-only. 🤝

[vestal pine]

smh

[royal vortex]

i think ive only heard of one boltpistol model although thats not a very reliable metric

considering there's a bunch of now removed models, some of which were repurposed and others rotting away for all eternity

[ripe quest]

I am truly excited to see what this does w/ FotF

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[royal vortex]

i told yoshi i hope double barrel has shit finesse but like absurd crit armor mods so you can do nasty weapon specialist stuff with it

[vestal pine]

quite suprising there is a code for it rn

[royal vortex]

(this would be a horrific thing if it came true but itd be funny)

[vestal pine]

is it bigger than kickback?

[spiral anvil]

6 barrels?

[vestal pine]

gibbingpower that is

[ripe quest]

but yee there's three DB variants. One with a bash, one with a lighter big shot, one with a bigger big shot. No clue if we're getting 1 or all three. Their damage profiles are fully set up (and of course unfinished, so a grain of salt is required).

[vestal pine]

yknow

[royal vortex]

considering we're gettin like 3 fkin pickaxes i wouldnt be surprised if we did

[vestal pine]

considering fatshark

im quite suprised there was a worked on model

[royal vortex]

fs has a lot of unused weapon assets tbf

[median steeple]

hrrergh meltaaaa

[vestal pine]

lot of assets

[burnt granite]

just to throw us off im sure

[vestal pine]

but no coding is usually what i heard

quite suprised on that one

[royal vortex]

there were a bunch more on release, but some of our current weapons added post-launch were originally just skins

[vestal pine]

also dont melta have no models?

[royal vortex]

like if you bought the dockets skin for obscurus it was using the illisi model

[vestal pine]

neat

[royal vortex]

crusher has two separate paid skins that use a different base model

the new evis/chainaxe/chainsword's current models were all there on release

just not used for anything

[ripe quest]

Both of the big shots hit harder than a Kickback shot, smaller big shot has a medium gib force and the bigger big shot has "impossible". Kickback has heavy.

[royal vortex]

there's no gibbing force stronger than @south folio turning his settings all the way down

the kickback physically removes the poxwalker horde from existence

[vestal pine]

well i don get fatshan policies then

i*

lmao

[ripe quest]

wdym?

[royal vortex]

melta had a couple parts of a model finished iirc

[vestal pine]

neat

[median steeple]

[vestal pine]

balance stuff lol

[royal vortex]

i cant complain about melta not being released when psyker has gotten the lowest amount of weapons out of any class

[median steeple]

2 years of waiting let's go for 3!

We really need more staves

[ripe quest]

We also have the models for all three DB variants. I pray we get all three since I've enjoyed using the long barrel one for agri railgun builds.

[south folio]

psykers are the most oppressed

[vestal pine]

two good melees tho

[royal vortex]

unironically if they just gave psykers shotguns and the new double barrel i would be ok

[south folio]

that's true, but the variety is just really lacking

[royal vortex]

4 staves is just a tragedy

[south folio]

our skill tree lacks permutations because of the locks, and our loadouts similarly lack variety

a precision force staff is all we need to last a decade

just gib

[ripe quest]

Real excited to see a bunch of hooplah on release date internally and I'm like "wow I gotta finish Factorio, finish my Helldivers 2 guide, play Darktide, and datamine Darktide"

[south folio]

and then they can take their time developing a new psyker force staff

hard life being illinois

[royal vortex]

this is me but in like 3 months when all the stuff im excited for starts releasing (besides dt's update)

[vestal pine]

boltpistol for psykers when

[vestal pine]

beam force when

[vestal pine]

oo you write heldiversguide?

[ripe quest]

It's under reconstruction rn since I'm making a better version of the spreadsheets. Trying to fit in more info, earlier versions had 90% of the space occupied by something that was hard to update and somewhat opinionated.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3221849493

It's weird to keep up since I was one of (if not the first) to publicly put out datamined info but I quickly got overtaken by more coordinated people. Now my goal is to just round off the guide so that people specifically on Steam get a good resource.

[ornate bone]

[ornate bone]

im still here, i dont rly like elden ring and dorktide has me by the balls

im lying

i think elden ring is incredibly lame and way overhyped, fromsoft peaked at sekiro and nothing scratches the same itch except lies of p

i was being honest about dorktide tho holy fuck im so addicted this game is crack

so is verm2

but verm2 has way less players in my region so i play dork

I tried Elden Ring at launch

I fought the same cat statue 3 times in half-assed dungeons

I rode like a trillion miles on the same forest littered with random-ass single-piece ruins and rocks

I found the same crackhead shack model twice

The only time the game was close to being fun was when I accidentally found a linear place that resembled the previous Souls games

[ember yew]

these dungeons are worst part of it though

probably just there so open world wouldnt feel that empty

[ornate bone]

Which is kind of the problem

They fell for the classic "let's make an open world and then fill it with shit" instead of "our game is big enough that the map needs to be expanded"

Whatever hype Elden Ring has could've been doubled if they just stuck to the usual formula for maps

From knows what they're good at, and it ain't open world

[ember yew]

i'd say about 30-35% of the map feels like garbage and the other 65% go with the usual good vibes of castles, cities, ancient ruins or some other unique structures

its just inconsistent, but overall i guess i enjoyed the ride

overleveled as hell though

[ornate bone]

Same tbh

I got my teeth kicked in when I went north, so I decided to go south and comb the map

Eventually I realized the enemies I was fighting dealt close to no damage to me

And I had little idea where to go to have the Souls Experience™

It's not like the older games didn't have a similar problem, specially because you can choose where your souls go and you can dump them on strength or something

But it was just harder to get lost on the linear locations and not overlevel by just exploring

[ember yew]

at one point i started to metodically collect everything on the map aka every wep, armor set etc

and by 65% of the first playthrough i was level 150

[polar nexus]

Power creep here we are

[ripe quest]

Depends on the reload and what the min pellet counts will look like in fairness. The big shots have slightly worse damage falloff ranges than Kickback.

[vestal pine]

i would hope so

[ripe quest]

Also blessings, if the thing can get Scattershot Manstopper it's so over for Kickback (yet another Ogryn weapon that's both bigger and worse)

Crit scaled FotF unlimited cleave shot that does more damage than Kickback vs. the poor group of Crushers that decided to exist today

[polar nexus]

They may give them the same pool as the kb

I would be ok with surgical blaze away

[vestal pine]

whats the first one, stubber?

[polar nexus]

Paul

Achlys stubber is very fine.

[vestal pine]

paul i feel like i think its not on any Higher/Lower list

tbh

[ripe quest]

Just a general reference to how Fatshark has decided to balance Ogryn's weapons. You see a lot of numbers that don't line up with a giant Ogryn weapon compared to the output of human weapons.

[vestal pine]

well

if it did kill everything with one or two shots people would've only played ogryn

ogryn balanced by "playing" with a dog

also just suggests he gained intelligence and then went down in power in few hundred notches

[polar nexus]

A proper kickback has a lot of 1 / 2 shot bp

[vestal pine]

only 1shot matters imho and yes it does it very well but heard it was kinda bad at it before

[ripe quest]

mm that's too much of a stretch for the sake of your argument. I never said it should 1-2 shot everything. There are ways to convey Ogryn strength while both making Ogryn feel fun to play + be generally balanced with human classes. Currently you get a sum of okish weapons and a few outliers, then you get a shitload of prebaked sluggishness in a character that's a literal mountain of muscle. In a game like this you get a somewhat shitty feeling experience due to it.

[surreal shore]

Anyone got a good

Aggrpinaa

Revolver I can look at ?

[ornate bone]

no, hop on zarona

[polar nexus]

But if you want flak + elite / maniac / unyielding, and crucian + hand cannon

[polar nexus]

You forgot the spread. You can just 1 shot or 2 shot a group of elites

[vestal pine]

never did oneshot them unless i use runngun to modest spread

but it does good damage to 2~3shot all groups yea

[polar nexus]

Kb is very much overpowered rn

[vestal pine]

KB is great on ogryn

i wouldnt say its bad ye

[sterile stone]

Bro is all work and no fun

[surreal shore]

Welp

I guess Hadron bricked it

[vestal pine]

kek

agrapina has a wierdly high damage on unyielding, more than zarona

[obtuse stirrup]

That's a decent boss shredder

Take +unyielding on it

[ornate bone]

that looks fine?

[polar nexus]

Good luck with trickshooter on an agrip..

[obtuse stirrup]

Trickshooter is amazing anti-boss

[polar nexus]

As long as you can proce it

[obtuse stirrup]

Pretty easy into bosses tbh

[surreal shore]

Well I guess I'm gonna have to run blazing piety xD

For the crit chance of course

[obtuse stirrup]

I mean that's a good idea in general, but I don't think that affects trick shot at all

[polar nexus]

Plogryn and bonbon yeah. But the spawn and the dh? Moves too fast

[ripe quest]

I'm actually 60% dr. pepper 30% fun 8% helldivers 2% darktide rn

[left iron]

[sterile stone]

Another Dr.Pep enjoyer

I can respect

[surreal shore]

I think I can land headshots on crushers though

Wasn't that hard tbf

[polar nexus]

I mean go for it then

And take unyielding

Bp will help with hand cannon but alternatively you can also run crucian if you have a dedicated melee weapon for armor

[surreal shore]

I run tacaxe

This is my loner build tbf

[ornate bone]

loner

i have never played loner zealot

[surreal shore]

Oh its really easy honestly

Specially with tacaxes horde clear

Bm is so op man

[ornate bone]

i love my current build so much i probably wont ever change it unless i try true solo'ing

[surreal shore]

You got 5 build slots dude

[ornate bone]

and your point is?

what part of "i love my build" doesn't make sense to u

[surreal shore]

If you wanted to you can just put it in

So it doenst matter anyway

[ornate bone]

i didnt mean change like edit it i meant like change to a different build

u silly

[surreal shore]

Oh nvm

[ornate bone]

[surreal shore]

I misunderstood

[ornate bone]

yeah frontlining with fotf is too much fun

[surreal shore]

XD

[ornate bone]

all good it happens

[surreal shore]

I got this support build on zealot too

I love running either crusher or eviserator with it

Eviserator when im feeling braindead

Seriously this new one a 1 arm monkey can run it

[leaden vapor]

i hate fucking playing loner

i cannot state how useless it is

thankfully only 50 kills away from neve rhaving to use that shitaura again

[ornate bone]

lmao

[ember yew]

[obtuse stirrup]

Do you even really feel auras?

I mostly just use them as travel nodes anyway

[ornate bone]

no lol, i do not care about coherency at all, I try to maintain self reliance

[ember yew]

if its Survivalist

[obtuse stirrup]

I just like it because I can dive the backline without worrying about triggering additional specials

It's for my team's benefit because 1. If they threaten me I'm shrouding anyway

And 2. If they do pin me in the enemy backline that's a very easy situation to snowball into a wipe

[proper gyro]

How is my heavy sword build in y'all's opinion?

Idk if it's meta or perfectly made but it gets the job done

[ornate bone]

sack the bottom 4 right nodes and get thy wrath be swift

you will want to kiss me for it

[obtuse stirrup]

Looks good to me

TWBS is good but not really essential these days

[ornate bone]

i would still highly recommend it

[obtuse stirrup]

I'd rather keep the free damage and attack speed personally

Consider trying both ways

[ornate bone]

my build is very similar, blades of faith is interchangeable with stuns while keeping everything other node the same

[ornate bone]

i will try the other way and see how it goes

since now that i think about it i rarely lose all toughness

[obtuse stirrup]

4 points is quite a big dip

[ornate bone]

wdym

[obtuse stirrup]

Spending 4 talent points when you are only interested really in the last one

[ornate bone]

oh yeah fair

just realised its only 2 deviations if u take blades so might as well

[spare dome]

blades are simply too good

[royal vortex]

tknives are so fun

[spare dome]

https://youtu.be/is1rpZeTiBg?si=-i3Tr2oRPx1i9U7u

they are the best utility

[royal vortex]

psyker might have blitzes as a 3rd weapon but the tknives are an extension of my fucking MIND

[spare dome]

hell yea

[royal vortex]

half the time i throw them the animation doesn't work

so im just fucking squinting real hard at this dude's head

and he falls over

[spare dome]

when i switch to vet ill press my knife key and will be legitimately puzzled for a full second when he pulls out a grenade

[royal vortex]

this has never happened to me (lie)

tknives are so seemless to use once you're used to them it's just jarring to switch to anything else

all of my zealot builds take them

[spare dome]

imagine having to press two buttons to throw your blitz

zed gang stay winning

[royal vortex]

what gets fucked up is when im playing with someone else who also knows how to use them

and now every special kill is a race

[spare dome]

not every flamer realizes it but they are actually boards at an axe throwing competition

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[hushed knoll]

When’s the last time you fell into sticky syrup

[royal vortex]

never

[hushed knoll]

I don’t believe you

[spare dome]

hes in some right now

[royal vortex]

Slopped up

in that dirty maple

[spare dome]

mmmm maple josho

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

HI ICE GOOD MORNING ICE

EVERYONE PLEASE HEARTILY GREET ICE

[south folio]

kill him

he will become water

[hushed knoll]

Wtf Arco

You need to be placed in cake fondant

[left iron]

[nimble fiber]

stan

are u secretly this guy?

[proper gyro]

I considered it but my reasoning was that the heavy sword attacks are pretty fast as is so being stunned wouldn't be a huge issue

That and I'm just pretty good at not getting big

Hit

I might make a movement speed meme build

That could be fun

[ornate bone]

getting 60% gunner resist and having 215 toughness is also a pretty good way to not get stunned

[proper gyro]

I'll try it out for a few games and see how I feel about it

[hushed knoll]

Charlie and the chocolate factory triggers me

[left iron]

Its 2pm

Almost 3pm

[ornate bone]

ok im sold on knives

never using stuns again

[nimble fiber]

your food pictures trigger me stan

[proper gyro]

I like the knives but they're a bit hard to aim on a controller

The stun nades are just so goddamn useful it makes it hard to not use them tbh

I'm still yet to even touch fire nades and I have nearly 300 hours in the game

Most of them on zealot

[ornate bone]

why controllar brah

stuns are only really useful in really fucked situations, knives u just use all the time

[proper gyro]

Cause I'm on Xbox

[ornate bone]

rip

[proper gyro]

Also I'm way more used to a controller than keyboard and mouse

Whenever I play games on my PC I just use a controller cause trying to play with K&M makes me feel like a toddler

[ornate bone]

polar opposite for me

[proper gyro]

My friends get on my ass and tell me that I just need to get used to it but idgaf

I'm a controllercel for life

[ornate bone]

every game ive ever played on steam has been with m/kb, including 4 fromsoft titles, cos i hate controller, it feels ass

[proper gyro]

Yeah I've just been using a controller since I was a little kid

Only got my PC when I was 15 or 16

[ornate bone]

fair enough

[proper gyro]

And my desk is usually overrun with random hobby supplies so I don't get on my PC often

That and my friend that I play games with the most often is almost exclusively an Xbox player

He actually was exclusively an Xbox player before I built his PC for him

[hushed knoll]

IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS ICE

[hushed knoll]

WADIYA TALKIN ABEET

[left iron]

Yeah well you're wrong

[hushed knoll]

BAN LAKE BAN LAKE

[left iron]

What

[hushed knoll]

You heard me

[left iron]

You're still wrong

[nimble fiber]

ice what is your favorite kind of ice cream?

[left iron]

Uh

Idk, i usually just pick whatever looks good if i feel like eating ice cream

[tranquil pier]

Classic Fatshark, not giving us the choice to make custom bindings of our own.

[faint vapor]

Paid DLC UwU

[hushed knoll]

CLASSIC ICE BEING A PAID ACTOR

[lusty turtle]

Hi lake

[hushed knoll]

[left iron]

Hello Ice

L name btw

Couldnt be me

[lusty turtle]

Ye it sucks

[left iron]

I mean, as long as the ice cream isnt from Stans kitchen nightmares, its probably edible and good

[neat creek]

Incendiaries or knives with Shroud field? I like using the Agripina but have been thinking about subbing it out for a flamer for CC

[vestal pine]

knives are allround great

immolation kills great unless its crushers

[left iron]

Can your melee deal with carapace? If not, i would not switch to a flamer if you're not using fotf

[ornate bone]

incends suck cos i have to take nodes i dont want to get them

[neat creek]

True. The single target elimination factor is insane with knives + Shroud field charged thunderhammer. I feel the build lacks cc though in a way I feel the grenades would help, but idk if I'm wanting my only single target focus to be knives + hammer. If I go that way, I think flamer could be good for cc.

[ornate bone]

i tried blades earlier and im never going back

[neat creek]

100%. Got +flak & + carapace on it just last night.

[ornate bone]

being able to save my revo purely for carapace means so much less time wasted weapon switching and reloading for specials

[neat creek]

Also how do you regenerate knives??? Am I just not reading something I can't pick up nades to refill them do they kinda refill like psyker assail?

[misty nova]

Ammo or melee elite kill iirc

[ornate bone]

idk if that was a correct sentence but u get the idea

[left iron]

You kill elites in melee, or from ammo pickups

[neat creek]

Yo that's smart. And then do you just not take ++ carapace as one of the consecration?

[ornate bone]

the what

[neat creek]

Pog

[neat creek]

Uuh forgot the word. The blessings you get that aren't the unique effects, the ones you can switch out.

[ornate bone]

oh

[neat creek]

Lotta proper nouns in 40k verse 😂

[tropic pelican]

perks

[neat creek]

That's the one

[ornate bone]

i have carapace damage on revolver

cos thats all its used for

[neat creek]

What perks you guys take for thunder hammer? Flak?

[ornate bone]

i have flakiak on dclaw or whatever melee i use

[hushed knoll]

What’s wrong with this

[ornate bone]

the fuck

[neat creek]

Looks like there is a tooth in there my guy

[hushed knoll]

I actually microwaved it a bit more after I took that pic

[left iron]

Unyielding + flak/elites for both thammers

[hushed knoll]

It's apple pie ice cream

[vestal pine]

molten ice cream

[left iron]

No, thats your cats vomit

[hushed knoll]

Ice no

[oak cargo]

we got microwaved ice cream before gta 6

[left iron]

Admit it

[hushed knoll]

I don't have a cat

DAMN ICE GET REKT

WITH FACTS AND LOGIC

[left iron]

You picked up a sick stray

[hushed knoll]

No.

[neat creek]

Bulwark and reapers are both Elite & Unyielding. Does having both damage categories stack?

[proper gyro]

I think I can't have ice cream anymore

[left iron]

Yes, but you dont need extra damage against either. A Crucis with unyielding kills bulwarks with uncharged heavies, and reapers need 1 stack of thrust on a headshot iirc

[proper gyro]

It's a real tragedy

[proper gyro]

Go test it out

[inner cargo]

Would you say Crucis or Ironhelm is better?

[proper gyro]

I like crucis more personally

[left iron]

Ironhelm is easier to use, crucis does more damage with charged heavies

[hushed knoll]

When will you next make salmon soup

[left iron]

Today, im cooking for my siblings and mother

[hushed knoll]

OMG AMAZING

I'm like an oracle

[left iron]

Nah you never saw it coming

[hushed knoll]

Of course I did

[surreal shore]

God

I really want those weapons already

[proper gyro]

I found crucis easier

[surreal shore]

I want them soo bad

[frank night]

ur an atrocity

[proper gyro]

I want the war picks and bolt pistol

[surreal shore]

Crucis has better basic combo for worser special imo

[proper gyro]

The rest idc much about

[surreal shore]

You mean ogryn laborers pickaxe ?

[proper gyro]

Yeah

The screenshot they shared of them looks cool

[left iron]

Whacking at a elite hiding inside a horde takes a bit of know-how with crucis. Ironhelm can just activate and swing into it

[surreal shore]

what SCREEN SHOT

Show me

[left iron]

I prefer crucis myself

[surreal shore]

show me now°aAaa

Give me a link!!!!°

pleasedjfj!

I WANT LINKS

[proper gyro]

Didn't find anything for any of the other weapons but they posted this on their Twitter yesterday

[surreal shore]

Oh

[proper gyro]

https://twitter.com/Darktide40K/status/1803857863107915948?t=_7fQqmsxURqZjXhCwd-WtQ&s=19

Warhammer 40K: Darktide (@Darktide40K) on X

Ogryn Rejects! Excited to get your hands on new toys next week?

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 6:30 PM

[surreal shore]

Yessss

Okay now

For my vet I really wanna see those

Shock mauls man

I am soooo looking forward to shock maul

[left iron]

Psykers, forgotten yet again

Where new force staves at

[surreal shore]

Pretty sure psyker can use shockmauls too

Also who wants force staff can we instead get the two handed force sword plez?

[proper gyro]

Smartest FS hater

Psyker is the one class I don't really play tbh

They're too squishy for me

[surreal shore]

You might not believe this

But they are the most sliperiest class in the game

By far

[oak cargo]

psykers oiled up 4k

[surreal shore]

All their melee weapons got insane

[misty nova]

Not sure if bot account

[surreal shore]

Dodge range and count

[proper gyro]

Maybe I just need to try another build

Idk

[vestal pine]

hope shockmaul is for all 3

[proper gyro]

It's not

[left iron]

I do, i've had the same 4 staves since launch and have received a few force swords, sprinkled into the toy box very early on

[proper gyro]

Unfortunate really

[vestal pine]

tbh illisi might have the coolest divergence of mechanic

[proper gyro]

Poor bastard probably can't find his way out of the house in the morning

[surreal shore]

Few others ?

There was nothing else

[proper gyro]

2 handed shock mauls

[surreal shore]

Wait

You sure ?

[proper gyro]

Pretty sure

[surreal shore]

Where did you get this ?

Cuz I find anything about that

[proper gyro]

From the forums

[vestal pine]

shockmaul is 1hand for normal people p sure

and besides

[surreal shore]

Yeah

[proper gyro]

Ah got it

[vestal pine]

power maul/crushers exist

[surreal shore]

I think you misunderstood

[vestal pine]

ah spreading misinfo

smartest FS lover

[proper gyro]

Yeah I meant for ogryn

[vestal pine]

paul exist

[proper gyro]

Like a 2 handed variant

[vestal pine]

ah

[surreal shore]

I dont know about that

[vestal pine]

yeah p sure its just for normal operatives

[surreal shore]

I dont think anything other than pickaxe is confirmed

[vestal pine]

the wording was quite bad

[surreal shore]

Btw

[surreal shore]

Guys!!!

[surreal shore]

I know already pickaxe gonna be dog shit how are we gonna slap and punch now with both hands full ?

We kick?

XD

[vestal pine]

whoever wrote this manuscript needs to go to local univ to learn how to write shit

[proper gyro]

The pickaxe is gonna fuck

[spare dome]

i want that double barrel

[proper gyro]

I want the bolt pistol

[vestal pine]

idk how pick would be good just right after folding shovis exist

[surreal shore]

Swear to God if double barrel got no carapce pen I be severely disappointed

[south folio]

tbf zealot has FotF

[vestal pine]

why would that have carapace pen

[proper gyro]

I just imagined it as a kickback with 2 barrels tbh

[south folio]

press F and go ham on crushers

[surreal shore]

Special ammunition maybe ?

[vestal pine]

not like kickbacks got one either

[misty nova]

Folves kinda need a setup to hit hard

[spare dome]

if it gets full bore and no respite i am all in

[surreal shore]

I want one that works with my shroudfield though

[vestal pine]

agrapina slug is terrible and thats probably the best thing we can load to a shotgun
unless meltabomb i guess

[proper gyro]

I like that one

The precision shotgun you mean?

[vestal pine]

yes

[proper gyro]

It's not my go to or anything but I've had fun with it

[vestal pine]

FAN moment

scout tf2 build

[surreal shore]

@vestal pine the fire is bad now ?

I thought kantrael was the best shotgun curenty

[vestal pine]

..do you think fire does anything to a carapace

[surreal shore]

Oh nvm

You were being specific

Not what shotgun is the best basically

[proper gyro]

I wasn't huge on the kantrael

[vestal pine]

even agrapina takes like 6 shots if youre a zealot

[proper gyro]

My favorite shotgun was the lawbringer

[surreal shore]

Anyway I got this PIECE SHIT I KEEP ROLLING TRICKSHOOTER I don't know why the only thing it did for me was let me kick nurgle beast fast

This was meant to be my carapce killer...

[vestal pine]

agrapina sucks at carapace killing

[surreal shore]

Except I need blazing piety stacks to make it work xD

[surreal shore]

Yeah if I got no BP stacks xD

[vestal pine]

needs to crit thrice on the head and even then depending on others it might just not get a kill

[proper gyro]

I miss pre nerf revolver

It's still a monster but it was so goddamn strong it was ridiculous

[vestal pine]

its meh

[surreal shore]

Agri got nerfed?

Really ?

Why

[ornate bone]

why do u want agripina and not zarona btw

[vestal pine]

if it had pen itd be nice

[spare dome]

been open three hours, we're up 2k and down two people

its gonna be like dat today

[surreal shore]

Cuz for same reason I use tacaxe instead of knife on my shrouldfield build xD

[vestal pine]

was like one video with oneclipping DH and cspawn and then it was nerfed

[ornate bone]

i have no idea what that means

[vestal pine]

tacaxe is good believe it or not

unlike agrapina...

[proper gyro]

The tacaxe ain't bad

[surreal shore]

I mean somehow it does kill carapce with its lights of all things

[proper gyro]

But I prefer the dclaw tbh

[surreal shore]

That's very different weapon

[surreal shore]

I wanna not copy other people

Simple as that

[vestal pine]

its light kills better on carapace than heavys, yes.

[proper gyro]

I like both of the revolvers

[surreal shore]

I mean agri revolver was crazy

Good against beastv

I have to admit

It's not the worse

Thing jn the entire world its workable I gusss

[proper gyro]

Recently thought I've run the agripinaa more than the other one

[surreal shore]

Unlike ogryn power maul

[ornate bone]

i just use whatevers fun

[surreal shore]

Now that's a shit weapon xD

Like worse weapon in the game by far

[proper gyro]

I liked the ogryn power maul on paper but in practice it kinda sucked

I just use the shield

[surreal shore]

Nothing comes close

[vestal pine]

its not good, its the only thing its great at
does more damage than zarona per shot

magdumping on a boss just melts it

[surreal shore]

I think thats intended since it got like 30% more ammo

[proper gyro]

As long as you're good enough with it that you aren't a burden on your team idc

[vestal pine]

i said it does more damage than zarona per shot.

on unyielding(boss/ogryn armor)

[surreal shore]

Oh nvm sorry

[proper gyro]

Meta slaves in games always annoy the shit out of me

[surreal shore]

I use to love power maul

Its just now after all the health buffs to enemies

[proper gyro]

I'll be like "here's this build I'm having fun with" and 3 dudes who haven't left their rooms in 4 days will jump down my throat

[surreal shore]

Its just too low its base damage

Needs massive buffs

[proper gyro]

The ogryn power maul or the crusher?

[surreal shore]

Power maul

[vestal pine]

well simple do you wanna solo a crusher with a dclaw or get an aze

[surreal shore]

Crusher wrecks everything now

[vestal pine]

🤡

i did solo a crusher

[proper gyro]

Aze?

[vestal pine]

alongside like 10 elites

[vestal pine]

axe

[proper gyro]

Honestly I didn't like any of the axes

[surreal shore]

Or just bolter

[vestal pine]

and then proceed to save everyone and die

[surreal shore]

I mean

Maybe he likes using heavy sword

[proper gyro]

Dude I clawed my way through like 10 specialists and over a dozen elites to get to my teammates and those fuckers IMMEDIATELY died

Literally rescued all 3 of them and they just stood there and got cooked

[surreal shore]

I pefer heavy sword on zealot personally over dclaw

[vestal pine]

claw your way through crushers

[surreal shore]

Its way too defensively orientated for my taste

[vestal pine]

Hsword dont have much going for them imho

[proper gyro]

Well that's not really the point of using the heavy sword

[vestal pine]

other than it kills maniac well

[vestal pine]

i use one for that purpose

[surreal shore]

The only thing they don't kill well is carapace

Which is solvable by just using bolter

[vestal pine]

perfect parry on those mfs feel the greatest

[vestal pine]

moveset is just not fun for me

i rate thammer better

[surreal shore]

I'm pretty sure Hasword also got the highest cleave in the game aswell

Without activation obviously

[south folio]

it has one of the more interesting movesets since it's not just overhead or horizontal attacks

well, besidees the lights

[vestal pine]

still suffers from cleave damage falloff anyway

[south folio]

the heavies on the mk7 and mk6 are interesting

[vestal pine]

for me parry is more interesting

[south folio]

but they're also one of the weapons with access to brutal momentum

[proper gyro]

Here's my Hsword build

I use the MK IX btw

[vestal pine]

also true yea

[proper gyro]

Or whatever the number is

[surreal shore]

The scoop is amazing I once took 3 rager heads with 1 F

[south folio]

sure, but heavy swords are one of the better melee weapons

[proper gyro]

Yeah it's awesome

[south folio]

good base stats and blessings to work with

40% headtaker and brutal momentum

[proper gyro]

Doing that feels like heroin

[surreal shore]

Oh I run rampage personally

[vestal pine]

idk how to feel about it since its like the least popular weapon for zealot out in korea rn

[surreal shore]

Not BM

[south folio]

yeah but like you said, korean players seem to be whack af

[vestal pine]

we're just wack af

[south folio]

and popularity is not necessarily correlated with strength

[vestal pine]

sometimes it works, sometimes we're jusf dumb

[vestal pine]

regardless people still see it as suckish since no carapace

[surreal shore]

Yeah thats so true

[proper gyro]

Brutal momentum kinda outclasses every other blessing on the Turtoslky imo

[surreal shore]

Dude heavy swords are legit good

[proper gyro]

Since the heavies are just left and right swings

[vestal pine]

bolter/revolver anti carapace just isnt fun also

[south folio]

yeah though i don't particularly care about how people see a melee weapon as long as they don't speak their bad opinions about it

covering up your anti-carapace on zealot is trivial anyways

[surreal shore]

Yeah use bolter

[vestal pine]

no korean usually ventures out into the wastelands that is english speaking community

its like they learned shit about english or somethin

[surreal shore]

I mean how many Koreans even play this game

[proper gyro]

The bolter is way too slow for me

[vestal pine]

i mean we have 3k players at most online from all over the world

[vestal pine]

throwing knives can cancel delay

but

im not going to make 10 builds that use bolter

[proper gyro]

Pretty sure it's a bit more than 3k at most

At most it's probably like 5-6k

[south folio]

i only use the bolter when there are maulers/crushers in play so i don't particularly care about the slow pullout time

my comfort anti crusher weapon

[proper gyro]

Yeah but I feel like that limits my range too much

[surreal shore]

With Maulers also you can just aim at their feets

[vestal pine]

zealot has like no diversity when coming to weapon that can kill carapace well on its own without support of fotf imho

[proper gyro]

The bolter doesn't one tap shit like dreg gunners right?

[south folio]

well, melee weapons

[surreal shore]

Yeah I do hope we get meltagun at some point

[south folio]

ranged weapons being able to kill carapace should be exceptions at best

[proper gyro]

Hammer and Maul can pretty solidly

The maul chips away more than anything though

[south folio]

maul as in crusher?

[proper gyro]

Just keeps the enemies stunned while you beat on them

[south folio]

https://streamable.com/jrylk4

[proper gyro]

Yeah

[south folio]

here's a crusher kill with no setup

no sustained assault, no pre-stacked hammerblow, or keystone buff

[vestal pine]

ranged has revolvers and bolters
melee had a knife with uncanny and thats it for uncanny list
hammer is usually 2shot mode with stupidly large afterdelay
other than axe/chaxe i dont tbink anything deals with carapace well, and both of them jsut deal huge damage, not really dedicated to anti-carapace

[south folio]

if I had sustained assault, I would've killed the crusher in one less hit

if I had hammerblow pre-stacked, i could've stacked skullcrusher more with an H1 -> l2 -> PA instead of being forced to H1 -> PA because of the stagger ending earlier

or if I had melee attack speed from martyr or momentum

[surreal shore]

Shit I couldn't get hammer blow I got thunderstrike on my crusher

[vestal pine]

if you use special it stacks skullcrusher twice = fullstack from firet hit

[south folio]

there's knife and the aforementioned crusher as well

[proper gyro]

I love the knife

That thing is so much fun

[south folio]

taxes are fine into crusher if you lightspam w/ a crit build and have duellist procced

[surreal shore]

Ehm chain weapons also...

[south folio]

there's also evis

[surreal shore]

Specificly the chain axes

The combat axes too

[proper gyro]

The chain weapons don't do it for me

[south folio]

chainsword counts if you allow for FotF

or throwing knives if you allow for FotF

[vestal pine]

there isnt a dedicated anti-armor weapon like knife/uncanny folding shovels, both of psyker's exclusive melee

[south folio]

well, zealot is THE class to make use of knives

[surreal shore]

What?

Thunder hammers

Are a thing

[south folio]

the knife on zealot is similar-performing to the ds4 on psyker because of the existence of duellist, sustained assault, melee attack speed, and the ability to stack a lot of crit chance

[surreal shore]

Dude you just doubling down for sake of not being wrong I hate that

[proper gyro]

I wish there was a hammer with the power of the crucis but an overhead heavy attack

[north sedge]

there isnt antiarmor melee weapons, except for all the antiarmor melee weapons you see

[vestal pine]

thammers take multiple damage ups just to oneshot the thing and unless they patch out the stupid afterdelays thammers have unless you runcancel i am not putting it on a anti carapace list imho

[proper gyro]

Every single time a pox walker gets vaporized by my hammer instead of the enemy I was aiming for a part of me dies

[surreal shore]

Crucis problems

[proper gyro]

The war picks for ogryn better have some insane armor pierce

[south folio]

if we discount the thammers, then two of zealot's class-specific melees are fine into carapace

[surreal shore]

Not ironhelm xD

[vestal pine]

fine yea

[south folio]

and zealot being the class to make use of the combat blade

[vestal pine]

crusher does well with everything thankfully