and just never really cared enough to commit to it
#zealot-class
north sedge
solar gorge
he don't care about parry like many players, it's an entirely optional mechanic
grizzled aspen
Like, ds doesn't force you to parry because it's hard to learn.
That's why I'm alright with how it is.
But in bb, you're forced to parry.
Dodging most stuff is nigh-impossible.
north sedge
and bb parry is easier
north sedge
counterpoint: it's easier
grizzled aspen
Like it's factual that it's harder to parry in bb.
frosty herald
The release of Secrets of the Machine God is just around the corner, and while we are excited to have you get your hands on it, we also suspect many of you might be expecting itemization to be part of this update. Unfortunately, this will not be the case.
After internal and external testing, we’ve decided the itemization rework isn’t where we want it to be for release this month. We’ve been reading your threads and taking the feedback on. The consensus being this rework should not be rushed. And we agree.
Now, itemization is slated to release after summer. We are making progress. During this time, we’re also looking at expanding the feedback loop on this rework, and will be including more players outside our core-testers.
To get more details, we are working on a dev blog on itemization to give you more insights into the work we’ve carried out so far.
We look forward to sharing more information about itemization and will keep working with the community to shape the upcoming itemization rework.
grizzled aspen
Another point on that, hitboxes in bb are straight dogshit.
solar gorge
The release of Secrets of the Machine God is just around the corner, and while w...
was about to mention this
grizzled aspen
I have been hit by attacks that literally did not touch me.
frosty herald
Dodging most stuff is nigh-impossible.
you get pret generous iframes
and its like lies of p
also this is why we use the church cannon
grizzled aspen
Where are these generous iframes? Are they in the room with us, now?
frosty herald
dont need to dodge the enemy if theyre dead
grizzled aspen
I will admit you can dodge bullets pretty easily in bb, but if you're within striking distance of an enemy, you basically can't.
I don't know where you're getting these iframes from or who you paid to get them but they are very much not real.
solar gorge
https://tenor.com/view/sun-sonne-autumn-forest-herbst-gif-26200126
well at least they're honest about needing more time
north sedge
guess the playtesters didn't like it!
thick nacelle
What means "itemization" ?
solar gorge
according to some they didn't
grizzled aspen
The release of Secrets of the Machine God is just around the corner, and while w...
That's probably for the best. I'd rather the update be fully fleshed out than not.
north sedge
crafting
ripe quest
The release of Secrets of the Machine God is just around the corner, and while w...
Fatshark burnt tf out of the crafting update probs
solar gorge
a playtester said that the crafting changes they've tested isn't worth adding
so good i guess
south folio
makes sense
frosty herald
seems like fatshark absolutely does NOT want the rework to fail at all
south folio
that's a good thing to me since i figured that they wouldn't have time to do a crafting rework + balance pass like I would've wanted in this time
ripe quest
EXHILLIOUS HI
Stan when are you going to play a single video game
solar gorge
oh also everyone missed this
hushed knoll
Oh god please
solar gorge
devblog confirmed this week end
frosty herald
Oh hey young Jews
frosty herald
TOWNS??????
hushed knoll
Stan when are you going to play a single video game
I always play
ripe quest
SEKTOR
grizzled aspen
seems like fatshark absolutely does NOT want the rework to fail at all
Considering the anticipation behind it, I can understand why.
sinful widget
They prolly made upgrades cost contract currency as well
grizzled aspen
If upgrades will cost ordo ingots I will actually go to prison.
hushed knoll
You are zan greif or whatever that guy is
frosty herald
lots of community feedback alongside playtesters having a heavy hand in what the players want
solar gorge
playtesters are of big help yeah
frosty herald
If upgrades will cost ordo ingots I will actually go to prison.
i 100% suspect the foundry to give us a new currency
obtuse stirrup
I just hope they buff some underused weapons.
Plasma damage increased by 5%
frosty herald
is darktide jackjackson's opps or smt lmfao
solar gorge
paul need an entire rework not just number tweak imo
sinful widget
I want to gamble for power cycler 4 again but im out of contract currency, oh well, i still have the complete 4 missions with no player deaths contract left
solar gorge
like the crusher
grizzled aspen
Give both of them power cycler.
solar gorge
we'll learn more this weekend im' sure
north sedge
You are zan greif or whatever that guy is
solar gorge
i hope the devblog isn't like 5 words
grizzled aspen
Are they still adding the new weapons on the 25th, though?
I really want my bolt pistol.
frosty herald
north sedge
that stuff is still coming in, just not the crafting adjustments
frosty herald
Are they still adding the new weapons on the 25th, though?
itemization
solar gorge
it's just the crafting part that'll be absent
frosty herald
putting the honor guard helmet in the game makes me go crazy
median steeple
Can't wait to create an alpha legion marine
grizzled aspen
You can choose each individual piece?
frosty herald
legit my fav helmet for marines
solar gorge
everyday i pray
frosty herald
yup
solar gorge
that sm2 doesn't suck
grizzled aspen
Oh that's SICK.
solar gorge
it LOOKS goood
grizzled aspen
Are there beaky boi helmets?
frosty herald
i imagine the heraldry emblems are expanded upon in the full release
solar gorge
but you don't just gotta look good
grizzled aspen
Like the pointy faced ones?
median steeple
Made by the people who did wwz and that game was pretty good with years and free updates afterwards
frosty herald
havent seen raven guard yet but you alr know they have it
frosty herald
we really got the exorcists heraldry before dark krakens smh
frosty herald
They even have bionic limbs!
hopefully bionic legs also
i did see that we have head bionics like eyes
median steeple
I mean yeah it's guaranteed that the 18 legions will have their colours and stuff
frosty herald
those evil mfs put night lords in the game
i love that the heavy unit has 30k armor
very appropriate for chaos marines
10th edition dreadnought
bleak crystal
Anyone have a good idea what I should be looking for in a good indignatus crusher maul?
frosty herald
Anyone have a good idea what I should be looking for in a good indignatus crushe...
skullcrusher
south folio
there's a crusher guide with recommended perks and blessings that you can search along
frosty herald
tyranid biting the curb hd 4k
median steeple
Holy shit none corrupted death guard armor
south folio
Step 2, get a thunder hammer with thrust.
uh huh, because they are definitely weapons with the same use case
mf discouraging beginners from using a weapon for no reason
vestal pine
nice itemization got canceled
grizzled aspen
I'm just saying crusher is icky.
north sedge
Crusher is great
bleak crystal
I’m not a beginner Mind you, I just wanted to test it out
grizzled aspen
It's like the helbore in that you need specific blessings to make it work.
south folio
it has a small blessing pool and there's only one "mandatory" blessing
ornate bone
grizzled aspen
Like the helbore, yeah great weapon, but only after I got surgical and weight of fire on it.
north sedge
It has 4 blessings very hard to roll, about as difficult as parrying in bloodborne
frosty herald
WHY DOES IT LOOK SO GOOD!!!!
south folio
of ALL the weapons in the game, it is one of the easier ones to roll
and both trauma and hammerblow work as the second blessing
grizzled aspen
I'm gonna be real, I didn't know the blessing pool was that small.
south folio
bruh
frosty herald
I'm gonna be real, I didn't know the blessing pool was that small.
its like 6 blessings? i think
north sedge
4
frosty herald
very easy to roll pretty strong and doesnt rely on blessings to be strong
grizzled aspen
I have never used it because I got one with great stats once and I had to beat a crusher to death over the course of 45 seconds.
north sedge
Was this prework
frosty herald
I have never used it because I got one with great stats once and I had to beat a...
the push attack has nasty headshot damage even on armor
north sedge
Or did you just not know how to use it
grizzled aspen
I figured it being a "power weapon" it would demolish carapace but I guess not.
Anywho that was like, 2 months ago.
north sedge
It's like 3 hits
grizzled aspen
Give or take.
south folio
it's certainly not a power weapon in the sense of a psword but it just has a different use case
north sedge
You just suck with it
south folio
obviously it's not going to compete against an absurd generalist damage weapon like the power sword
frosty herald
its a monk staff
south folio
if that's your baseline
bleak crystal
Its high damage on flak and unarmored?
solar gorge
miquella's feet screenshot speedrun any%
south folio
mfs being disappointed when they compare it to one of the top dps melees
grizzled aspen
obviously it's not going to compete against an absurd generalist damage weapon l...
I was more comparing it to the thammers, considering zealout doesn't get pswords.
median steeple
miquella's feet screenshot speedrun any%
Calm down mohg
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/zangief-street-fighter-santa-merry-christmas-super-move-g...
Holy shit Anthony is hot
Zagrues
Sandier
frosty herald
crusher is arguably my fav weapon because its strong without blessings
south folio
but why are you comparing them to the thammers
solar gorge
Calm down mohg
hushed knoll
You know who I mean p
south folio
they obviously have different use cases
north sedge
Jesus
bleak crystal
What’s skull crusher exactly?
grizzled aspen
Again, I figured since its a power weapon, it would be fair to compare it to the other power weapons at zealout's disposal.
north sedge
Totally different weapon
vestal pine
mk12 chaxe, what would you put on it? headtaker, thrust and slaughterer
frosty herald
What’s skull crusher exactly?
targets get x amount of stacks that make them recieve 10% extra damage
south folio
and stacks up to +80% damage
solar gorge
Calm down mohg
||in the launch trailer at the end miquella asks the player to be their consort so we're all gonna be mohg's i fear||
north sedge
Nope it's 8
median steeple
Pretty sure thrust slaughter but HT can work replacing slaughter?
bleak crystal
i thought it was 4 stacks
You’re thinking of thunder strike
Which is 4 stacks of impact I think.
median steeple
||in the launch trailer at the end miquella asks the player to be their consort ...
I wanna click this so badly but I have a feeling of what it might be
solar gorge
I wanna click this so badly but I have a feeling of what it might be
launch trailer spoiler
frosty herald
my ass aint watching it lmao
frosty herald
for me its 5:20
solar gorge
i'm suing valve
frosty herald
but i need to see when i get my key
north sedge
solar gorge
at midnight ok then fromsoft
grizzled aspen
Could we get some more pixels with that?
solar gorge
you don't want me to sleep
frosty herald
solar gorge
it's fine, i can beat ur game in 1 night
grizzled aspen
That's what I said when the ringed city dropped for ds3.
Then began the death gauntlet vs daemon prince.
frosty herald
seems like the devs also want space marine 2 to be prepared for postgame content
judging by what were getting
maybe even a vashtorr cameo if its during the pariah war
median steeple
I love when the story continues after the campaign, gotta be one of my favorite genders
median steeple
The stasis chamber awaits
frosty herald
"youll be thrown in the thick of war of galactic proportions"
solar gorge
gotta beat dlc before dt update tho
frosty herald
ok it might genuinely be set during the pariah nexus war
because its 10th edition
the 4th tyranid war is only going towards terra
but it isnt galactic
however various factions like the admech imperium vashtorr abaddon magnus and necrons are going to the pariah system
which is a war of galactic proportions
median steeple
Apparently the size of sote might make me beating it before the dt update slim
grizzled aspen
I just want to duel an alpha lictor.
frosty herald
40-200 hours was the minimum and maximum of the people who got to play it early
median steeple
Wait yeah we haven't seen a lictor or any of the new 10th ed nid units
solar gorge
100+ were people who write guides and 100% so
i think for the average run it's more 40-50
median steeple
The amount of weapons and armor the dlc is has is insane
frosty herald
Wait yeah we haven't seen a lictor or any of the new 10th ed nid units
there was a psychic tyranid in the leaked canadian gameplay footage
median steeple
I'm gonna be stuck i. It forever
median steeple
there was a psychic tyranid in the leaked canadian gameplay footage
Zoanthropes aren't new tho
grizzled aspen
I think a zoanthrope would be too much for our character.
Unless we get some sort of psychic protection.
frosty herald
titus with his warp protection
grizzled aspen
The Anti-Warp-Fuckery aura.
median steeple
Yeah Titus is built different
grizzled aspen
Honestly, I don't even remember the events of the first game.
Just gives me an excuse to play it again.
bleak crystal
I ought to mention.
solar gorge
titus kill orcs and then choas
bleak crystal
I’m using the chastise ability and fury keystone for crusher. Dunno if that helps
grizzled aspen
titus kill orcs and then choas
Yeah but I don't remember specifically what happens. I do remember a huge difficulty spike once it swaps to chaos, though.
bleak crystal
Say… aren’t acab captains wielding those crusher mauls?
hushed knoll
Titus
solar gorge
it's the guy in blue
north sedge
Technically same model but they do different things with it
solar gorge
starting the lawsuit so they have to give to me 5 hours early omw
south folio
I have never used it because I got one with great stats once and I had to beat a...
here's a crusher kill w/o SA, keystone, or hammerblow pre-stacked which would've allowed me to do a H1 -> l2 -> PA instead of having to H1 -> PA because of the stagger ending earlier https://streamable.com/jrylk4
it's not the fastest but it certainly isn't as slow as 45 seconds
frosty herald
dudes on the forum whining that anyone from it isnt their core audience
maybe giving shit constantly to a studio isnt your core audience to be used for updates lmfao
spare dome
"Could there be other audiences who aren't literally me? No, that's impossible."
safe glade
north sedge
Anything
median steeple
They're always at boiling point
lusty turtle
here's a crusher kill w/o SA, keystone, or hammerblow pre-stacked which would've...
they probably were light attacking
thats the usual reason i see people complain about all weapons that aren't knife
north sedge
plus he can't parry in bloodborne
south folio
guh
coarse birch
thats the usual reason i see people complain about all weapons that aren't knife
Why are people lighting with knife and not complaining
Also hi skele
Long time no see
lusty turtle
Why are people lighting with knife and not complaining
because the bleed carries them ofc 
hiiii
was busy for a while, should be back about for a bit again
hushed knoll
was busy for a while, should be back about for a bit again
OMG SKELLY HIIII
fleet zealot
hushed knoll
plus he can't parry in bloodborne
Vampyr
median steeple
3 pickaxes
Probably the same formula they used for other variants
Cant wait to use the single target version tho
spare talon
Probably the same formula they used for other variants
the specialist
the generalist
and the problem child
median steeple
I wonder what the special is gonna be
spare talon
the special is using an enchantment table for efficiency 4
frosty herald
Ngl
fleet zealot
frosty herald
I thought they were giving us power pickaxes
fleet zealot
this ferret likes water beign sprayed into it's mouth
spare dome
an underhand swing and when it lands the heretic goes "ow, my groin!" and then explodes just because
frosty herald
solar gorge
and it's as good as one
spare dome
am doing a hardcore but this time i am tracking my rewards to still use brunts and crafting right
median steeple
Can't wait for the screenshot of the bolt pistol and it has no variants
spare dome
but i dunno how to approach blessings in a way that wont be obnoxious as shit to track
solar gorge
boltpistol having 2 variants would still put it ahead of the boltgun
which as been in since launch
median steeple
I'm still huffing hopium that the bolt pistol gets revolver blessings
north sedge
i hope it gets power sword blessings
ripe quest
I'm still huffing hopium that the bolt pistol gets revolver blessings
inb4 it gets hand cannon but all of the ADMs are over 100% so Hand Cannon just kinda sucks
median steeple
ember yew
itemization is slated to release after summer. We are making progress. During this time, we’re also looking at expanding the feedback loop on this rework, and will be including more players outside our core-testers.
Welp, told ya it would be impossible for this update (too fast for FS), so we are looking at autumn here
arctic fiber
Not very experienced with Zealot, any advice for the last point, or build issues in general? Weapons will probably be rashad and laspistol mk2
sterile basalt
> itemization is slated to release after summer. We are making progress. During ...
They also said it’s not limited to crafting rework, not sure what that means
woeful pecan
Until there's concrete detail, it means nothing
ember yew
They also said it’s not limited to crafting rework, not sure what that means
but that's probably related to blessings
arctic fiber
Hopefully what I've accumulated so far isn't rendered useless.
ember yew
and perks
sterile basalt
but that's probably related to blessings
That is crafting tho
frosty herald
blessing rework and crafting rework in 1
ember yew
Not very experienced with Zealot, any advice for the last point, or build issues...
I have played rashad in everything that's there and crit rashad is probably the worst out of all three, the strongest is martyrdom, then close enough is Inex.Judgment (momentum)
maiden path
am i going fucking insane or did we already liberate those planets
spare talon
better rewards from aurics and MS
cough cough
then all the normal heresy and damnation players will go where they dont belong in the name of loot
ember yew
for starters you will not be able to reliably stacks scourge with rashad as it oneshots targets
arctic fiber
I have played rashad in everything that's there and crit rashad is probably the ...
Thanks, I'll look through that branch and see what I can come up with.
solar gorge
am i going fucking insane or did we already liberate those planets
they attacked fori and re-took it
as we failed the defence
ember yew
then all the normal heresy and damnation players will go where they dont belong ...
they already doing that for titles and achievements
solar gorge
but there's ample time to take nivel then fori
ember yew
ember yew
Thanks, I'll look through that branch and see what I can come up with.
i can give you an InexJudgment builds i use, but you'l need another ranged weapon
either any of 3 braced guns (Deathspitter/FireFrenzy/Flak/Maniac) or zarona mk2 (handcannon + surgical)
solar gorge
jungle planet so good
ember yew
laspistol gonna sck without piety tree sadly
solar gorge
damn
arctic fiber
either any of 3 braced guns (Deathspitter/FireFrenzy/Flak/Maniac) or zarona mk2 ...
This would be my top one out of the ones you listed.
ember yew
This would be my top one out of the ones you listed.
sure, this works
deathspitter is better than fire frenzy
so just change stripped down for max damage output
and you are golden
or leave it like that
discord lagging smh
arctic fiber
I can swap stripped down, i just enjoy it proccing dodge talents.
ember yew
you can proc it also while dodging with a gun, it's just that AG8 stacks (FF/DS) it super fast and with strong penetration and damage per bullet it shred mixed hordes with specials
what rashad you got
arctic fiber
It's iffy, have a nice one on my Vet sadly. Top melee are tac axe, heavy sword, and devils claw
buoyant pewter
Yo I just came from Vermintide 2 playing as a Grail Knight main, what would y’all suggest to pair with the 2nd eviscerator? I vastly prefer melee but I know you kinda need range sometimes. I’ll have more questions when I level up more
ember yew
It's iffy, have a nice one on my Vet sadly. Top melee are tac axe, heavy sword,...
darn, its decimator huh, it probably fine i guess
lethal lance
probably a Vraks; something very accurate and hardhitting for snipers/gunners you can't reach.
buoyant pewter
probably a Vraks; something very accurate and hardhitting for snipers/gunners yo...
Sweet, thanks!
shell lichen
Revolver 
ember yew
Sweet, thanks!
if you are using Piety skill tree, Columnus V will cover all your needs
arctic fiber
darn, its decimator huh, it probably fine i guess
Yep... vet got this one
buoyant pewter
Revolver <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
I do like the revolver I just do not like le reload
buoyant pewter
if you are using Piety skill tree, Columnus V will cover all your needs
Will try this out too!
shell lichen
It is an acquired taste
open pollen
but that's probably related to blessings
Man, can you imagine a full crafting, perk and blessing rework? What a dream.
Guess we'll know more when the blog comes out.
ember yew
Man, can you imagine a full crafting, perk *and* blessing rework? What a dream. ...
you know what
autumn is really close
buoyant pewter
Man, can you imagine a full crafting, perk *and* blessing rework? What a dream. ...
Vermintide 2 crafting style would make me drool
sterile basalt
U don’t need the 2 points in top left for Rashad
sterile basalt
Why no scourge + enduring faith for knife
buoyant pewter
probably a Vraks; something very accurate and hardhitting for snipers/gunners yo...
Haven’t tried bolt gun, would it be any good for this? Or nah
lethal lance
the bolt gun that isn't out yet...?
ember yew
Ideally, if you want to grab Duelist here, you can throw out TWBS and grab duelist and can grab Disdain + EWEW, however, if playing with Rashad + Braced gun you can still rack up 1 mil damage easily, it's not a game changer
arctic fiber
bolter is tricky, but you can single shot it. Surgical and Pinning Fire was recommended I think.
lethal lance
I mean, that thing can ruin ogryns and maulers and bosses; and in single-shot mode it's fairly accurate
buoyant pewter
Okay, thanks for the tips!
sterile basalt
this is rashad
Ah ok
arctic fiber
Ideally, if you want to grab Duelist here, you can throw out TWBS and grab dueli...
Awesome, thank you for the help! I'll gamble a bit and see what I can get for a decent rashad.
buoyant pewter
the bolt gun that isn't out yet...?
Nah the spearhead bolt gun
sterile basalt
That’s identical to my Rashad build
ember yew
well you can even use tactical axe in Auric Maelstrom
but i want to throw up after this, it feels bad
at least mk2
i'l try mk4 one day and i need a separate one with Headtaker + Shred
Crafting rework can't come soon enough
maiden path
SPACE VIETNAM
ember yew
That’s identical to my Rashad build
i am now engaging with martyrdom rashad perversion with 6 wounds
merry flume
Crafting rework can't come soon enough
merry flume
ember yew
i don't think it will be that long before crafting update
open pollen
ember yew
sterile basalt
i am now engaging with martyrdom rashad perversion with 6 wounds
Martyr is just point tax hell and I don’t rly like that
arctic fiber
but i want to throw up after this, it feels bad
That I have a decent one of
ember yew
That I have a decent one of
nah, i just used it as an example, while it has pretty numbers, it was not an enjoyable experience at all
rashad feels x100 better
arctic fiber
Agreed, rashad just feels right on my vet. Hoping I can get the same joy from it on my zealot.
spare talon
god i love this knife
sterile basalt
Agreed, rashad just feels right on my vet. Hoping I can get the same joy from i...
Zealot gets a lot faster atk speed but also lower dmg (unless u play martyr)
arctic fiber
Zealot gets a lot faster atk speed but also lower dmg (unless u play martyr)
Gotcha, so the breakpoints get tricky?
north sedge
no
merry flume
god i love this knife
you can def tell they started animating the knife before any other weapon
north sedge
we get more melee dmg buffs
ember yew
Gotcha, so the breakpoints get tricky?
vet just hit much harder if you stack all the stuff (but as said below, that's relevant for maulers and crushers)
sterile basalt
Gotcha, so the breakpoints get tricky?
No, u only rly lose crusher & mauler ttk
merry flume
it has so many little subtle details in the animations that no other weapon has wtf
sterile basalt
Unless u play martyr
Martyr has ~same crusher & mauler ttk with better dmg vs other elites
ember yew
Lame De Kombat 3
ember yew
i started i maelstrom mission today in the morning
then i saw level 60 zealot enters with
sterile basalt
Harvest worthy
ember yew
Mk6 Knife - Lacerate and Mercy Killer
and i suddenly remembered to do my dailies in wuthering waves
it's good to have a good memory
spare talon
Harvest worthy
that implies either of these blessings are good enough to be put on another knife
sterile basalt
that implies either of these blessings are good enough to be put on another knif...
Completing sticker book is nice
spare talon
ill see what they do with the crafting thing before i do that
sterile basalt
and i suddenly remembered to do my dailies in wuthering waves
U should play DRG s5
ember yew
U should play DRG s5
i did all achievements for DRG Survivor
as for normal DRG, i haven't played in 2+ years
median steeple
are core spawn fun to fight or just stingtail levels of annoying
frosty herald
i got like 7 stones back to back
very fun to fight but the entire team needs to lock in
arctic fiber
Would this be a good sub until I roll a decent rashad for that build @ember yew
median steeple
waiting for my ER to finish updating so I can preload the dlc
north sedge
there is no preload on pc, unless you have ps5 or something
median steeple
I forgot
north sedge
But also pc goes live 6 hours before console so
median steeple
I forgor fromsoft doesn't do that for PC for anything
fleet zealot
kissed too much became flat
median steeple
median steeple
WOW the new planet is not optimized
is it fun at least?
maiden path
is it fun at least?
yea its cool
median steeple
wait am I stupid which planet has the new jungle?
maiden path
but its not optimized at all
median steeple
nivel?
median steeple
ah thank you
maiden path
dis one
frosty herald
We lose that defense lmao
arctic fiber
Best I'm going to get with that 250k, which perk should I change to unarmored?
buoyant pewter
Are there any particularly interesting personality setups for Zealot? I’m using the male Judge with one of the megaphone voice helmets so I’m lookin for something like edgy cool
maiden path
Are there any particularly interesting personality setups for Zealot? I’m using ...
szottish.
and make him look like dis
misty mason
Am I imagining it or had they not already said that itemisation wasn't coming with the new patch?
Cause the forums and reddit are shitting their diapers
As is tradition
frosty herald
Forums cant read
ember yew
Would this be a good sub until I roll a decent rashad for that build <@171357965...
not really, that rashad with decimator/BM would be much better than this
decimator isn't bad, its just more annoying to use
ember yew
Best I'm going to get with that 250k, which perk should I change to unarmored?
i would change carapace
visual stream
Cause the forums and reddit are shitting their diapers
And some of the Discorders xd
fat shart are not these peoples' parents, they will not cave to tantrums
arctic fiber
i would change carapace
Thanks, got it built. I'll give it a try tonight.
misty mason
Yeah I just mean, I'm almost certain they had already said itemization is coming later
ember yew
Am I imagining it or had they not already said that itemisation wasn't coming wi...
They said it with recent post (so like 4 hours ago)
and before that i don't think i saw them mentioning exact dates (apart from the usual "we are working on it")
fleet zealot
Am I imagining it or had they not already said that itemisation wasn't coming wi...
just said it today
but before this, they did say they were unsure and will update us closer to the 25th
anyways general didn't get this but kendrick just united the blood and crips in hating drake
steel agate
ember yew
I didn't expect it to arrive on 25 from the start and managed not to subvert my own expectations, i've been with FS since 2016
speaking for experience
fleet zealot
and not just them like most of the west coast / LA gangs this is history
does this make kendrick one of the best rappers in history?
misty mason
Man
steel agate
it lowkey already WAS history imo, predicted history too
misty mason
People really care about these two dudes writing poetry about each other
fleet zealot
People really care about these two dudes writing poetry about each other
i mean it's a bop
steel agate
you see the clip of when someone asked obama who would win in a fight?
he did say kendick and look whos poppin off
misty mason
Let the millionaires fight, I got more important things to do, like complain about video game communities
fleet zealot
and like, it's no simple feat to get a bunch of bloods and crips on stage for your concert
fleet zealot
he did say kendick and look whos poppin off
meet the grahams was brutal but following up with not like us was an absolute double tap, especially since it references the song drake dropped the day before
fleet zealot
he's a sleeping dragon leave him be
heart part 6 also being a complete piece of garbage to end the beef off with and try to save face just DAMN
i was praying kendrick would drop the last 5 he had in stock as a Drake diss album but i think it's over now
DUDE did it on stage 6 times
SIX
drake ain't gonna be able to go anywhere now
ivory marlin
bazinga
fleet zealot
flamer is a hard weapon to master
it's kinda not you just need to know it's quirks
use fotf for elite packs, only use short bursts for trash hordes
unborn bridge
fotf?
so when your getting swarmed by melee hordes how do you respond with flamer?
i sorta just burned everything around me, couldn't see what i was hitting kind of thing
south folio
unborn bridge
i think i should have meleed
south folio
if it's crushers, press f for FotF
obsidian prairie
Both flamers have obscene stagger on left click
Anything short of an ogryn is going to take a second
south folio
feel free to run chorus
south folio
you don't have to hold it down until the enemy dies
you can just let the DoT finish the job if you feel ammo conscious
obsidian prairie
Or you can run Purgatus on psyker and give zero shits while spamming fully charged right click
unborn bridge
well time to go check out library online. looking for some language books
fleet zealot
F is chorus for me
imo i wouldn't use flamer without charge unless you are comfortable with it
unborn bridge
huh without charge?
fleet zealot
using the streamjet mode
never puff unless you absolutely have to, do short bursts of stream vs trash
yes
fury of the faithful
best ability
for flamer
you can kill 30+ crushers in one tank and one charge
unborn bridge
the upgraded starter ability?
fleet zealot
yes
unborn bridge
i'll give it a go. the chorus thing feels like a waste of points, everything else is just ok talents
fleet zealot
also flamer mod scores are the most important get 76% burn and cloud radius, don't worry at all about damage or mobility
get max burn stacks on crusher, press F, keep spraying the crushers
ugh we should really pin the flamer vs crusher video
grizzled aspen
i'll give it a go. the chorus thing feels like a waste of points, everything els...
Don't sneeze at chorus. It's definitely useful, but only when you don't have a shout vet or your team is all down/dead. The clutches I've seen pulled off with that would make your ass take a bite out of your seat.
steel agate
who could say no to free overtoughness and a fuck ton of stagger generated?
not me thats for sure 
grizzled aspen
As for the flamer, it definitely gets the most mileage out of fotf, but it is also useful in a pinch if you're using a weapon that isn't good at crowd control, like a knife.
grizzled aspen
who could say no to free overtoughness and a fuck ton of stagger generated?
Overtoughness existing makes me want fotf to generate overtoughness.
steel agate
That'd be sick
merry flume
lmao yes give me 100% 150 toughness
grizzled aspen
They could steal a bit of math from holy revenant and make it say the amount of melee damage you deal with the fotf swing is converted into toughness that can turn into overtoughness.
north sedge
You already get basically everything from fotf, it doesn't need anything else
median steeple
I don't think we need more sources of OT
south folio
fotf getting another effect to its stack 😔
grizzled aspen
Yeah not a very useful node.
I'd take overtoughness as a second node instead any day of the week.
Also, while I'm thinking about abilities, are throwing knives affected by anoint in blood?
unborn bridge
Don't sneeze at chorus. It's definitely useful, but only when you don't have a s...
chorus is the only thing keeping me alive most of the time, but i'm saying it's a LOT of talent points to get there without any offensive boosts
median steeple
median steeple
which is hilarious btw
grizzled aspen
chorus is the only thing keeping me alive most of the time, but i'm saying it's ...
It's no worse than investing in shroudfield and you can choose all 3 blitzes to get it easily. I see no issue with it.
frosty herald
Its stupid but hilarious that fatshark doesnt patch it
median steeple
loved seeing the goofy video someone posted in here a while back
frosty herald
Manstopper knives
grizzled aspen
Wait, so throwing knives stack with something like uncanny strike?
frosty herald
Yes
median steeple
the zealot preparing to charge into the crusher pack
frosty herald
Pulling up to messmer
median steeple
29 mins remain
hushed knoll
fotf getting another effect to its stack 😔
Don't call it a comeback
spare talon
29 mins remain
And 7 hours and 20 minutes of my shift remains
median steeple
And 7 hours and 20 minutes of my shift remains
unborn bridge
what is a good melee weapon for fotf? my burner is only 62% cloud radius and burn
faster or higher dmg better?
north sedge
Everything
median steeple
anything can really be used for fotf iirc, thunder hammer is a pretty good pick you also have heavy sword and evis
spare talon
what is a good melee weapon for fotf? my burner is only 62% cloud radius and bu...
Those need to be as high as possible
76% burn is the breakpoint for max burn stacks, which makes quite a difference
Cloud radius is your range
unborn bridge
hard to get from brunt's. profane weapon possible to roll that high?
i gave up after 3 buys
spare talon
Damage only affects the impact of the flamer, so it ends up being the least important stat
spare talon
hard to get from brunt's. profane weapon possible to roll that high?
That's how you generally roll for stats
median steeple
wait until you are 30 to start rolling for godrolls
unborn bridge
ok so it's possible that's good to know
median steeple
if you're not
spare talon
The rank of the weapon only determines blessings and perks
unborn bridge
25 zealot
spare talon
Yeah then don't roll anything
unborn bridge
i'll just go with my 402 lasgun and a good strong thunder hammer for fotf
i think it should work well
spare talon
Once you're 30 then items will start dropping between 300-380 base stat rating
unborn bridge
do you need to earn all the level 1 blessings to unlock level 2 blessings?
by surrendering weapons
median steeple
no
unborn bridge
i have no idea how that works
spare talon
i have no idea how that works
It's just rng what level the perks and blessings are on your weapons
But it is more weighted based on the base stats of the weapon
unborn bridge
i see so if a i see a level 4 blessing basically it's a surrender at some point
spare talon
By level 30, nearly all blessings will be level 3-4
spare talon
i see so if a i see a level 4 blessing basically it's a surrender at some point
Not entirely
You could roll an amazing t4 on an amazing weapon
There'd be no point in surrendering that one
unborn bridge
yep
spare talon
Surrendering it is so you can put that blessing on a better weapon
unborn bridge
surrender is for middle weapons with great blessings
it took me getting 25 levels in veteran to get me to level 25 in zealot
someone here suggested i might like it more. they're good and voice of command rocks
spare talon
surrender is for middle weapons with great blessings
Eeeeeesentially
But I wouldn't surrender a weapon for a blessing instantly if it's not absolutely perfect
I personally only do it the moment I'm putting it on another weapon
Just in case
unborn bridge
but i realized zealot didn't play like well a zealot with that chorus ability
that makes sense @spare talon
if you don't have a use for a sacrifice don't do it
like giving up a week of work for vacation without having a vacation ready
sorta
😄
spare talon
It's more important cuz as you start out on a class, you don't have much to work with, so that mid as fuck weapon can be what you use as you work your way toward a really good one
Certainly will be better than the shit weapons you were forced to use when leveling
unborn bridge
well, i did mine different than the far sighted seers here
i consecrated along the way. they were ok levelling up
so far
ok going to test fotf build now
thunder hammer shopping
😄
spare talon
We generally advise against that cuz those weapons will be outclassed in only a few missions, and that currency could be better spent when you reach 30
unborn bridge
yep
i don't believe in suffering in a game to level tho
underpowered gear in a levlling game is just ARGH
i can earn more faster once i hit 30 too
i don't spend it all especially the diamantite
but plasteel upgrade 80-100? sure no problem
spare talon
It's more like
The blessings and perks tend to be buffs and stuff that are based on the stats of the weapon, so like 10% more of a low number is still low
unborn bridge
just what i can afford along the way
hard nexus
i don't spend it all especially the diamantite
you'll have wayyyy more diamantine than plasteel
plasteel will be your bottleneck with resources
spare talon
Plasteel is also the resource used in every step of upgrading
unborn bridge
i think the real key tho is 2-3 hours of missions a day. problem solved
hard nexus
underpowered gear in a levlling game is just ARGH
just use whatever your highest weapon is, emperor's gifts will tide you over until level 30
when you can make proper builds
unborn bridge
ty
spare talon
Also gives you experience with the weapon variety of the class
unborn bridge
going to mission my fotf build now
spare talon
So you have an idea of what you like by the time you're ready to start crafting for real
unborn bridge
well, if i were effective i wouldn't have 25, 26, 3, 1 crew in my operatives list
i'm learning it. looking forward to the patch next week too
but zealot with fotf sounds more fanatically zealot
i could like that except it's very melee. with thunder hammer i could like it
i'm short 100 sid melk's credits
this any good?
crucis or ironhelm btw which is better light attack chaining?
median steeple
now to update before steams servers throttle
spare talon
i'm short 100 sid melk's credits
Not at all honestly
unborn bridge
ty
frosty herald
spare talon
Like I said, stuff only starts being worth it at lvl 30
311 base stats is quite literally on the lowest possible end at that level
spare talon
And that hammer has 3 not good perks/blessings
lethal lance
i'm short 100 sid melk's credits
donate to hadron and obtain blessings
spare talon
donate to hadron and obtain blessings
That's from melk
unborn bridge
i didn't buy i'm short the credits needed Luckily it seems
ok back to it. good luck with elden ring whoever was blowing up about it
fleet zealot
chorus is the only thing keeping me alive most of the time, but i'm saying it's ...
if chorus is the only thing keeping you alive you need to practice mitigation and avoiding damage
random adder
shadow of the erdtree available
unborn bridge
i've learned pushback and blocking more recently
quasi marsh
You can kill an infinite number of horde enemies taking no damage
With minimal timing or skill involved
Just spam your dodge or push whenever they attack
random adder
whats the japanese say
unborn bridge
keep in mind, i'm on a cloud system. there's latency even if my ping is like 20ms
spare talon
i've learned pushback and blocking more recently
Pushing is useful, blocking less so, but the king of staying alive is dodging
south folio
they mean that you don't need to play reactively at all
when they say spam it
they mean it
spam that shit
unborn bridge
spam dodge?
quasi marsh
Yes
south folio
if you don't have your dodge/jump keybinds split, i'd do that
quasi marsh
Just stop dodging every so often if it's obviously safe so you can reset your dodge counter
unborn bridge
so if i get surrounded just start spamming dodge
quasi marsh
Push at that moment
south folio
dodges in this game are very lenient
unborn bridge
block, spam dodge, push
spare talon
More specifically, having a rhythm of pushing and dodging as you're actively swinging is ideal
south folio
spam dodges if you feel even an ounce of threat
unborn bridge
i don't have a team. with quickplay there's usually a surrounded moment. why chorus was good
south folio
on zealot, you have 50% toughness DR on dodges even if you get hit
unborn bridge
innate talent?
south folio
an unlisted passive of sorts
i believe zealot is the only one with this currently but i could be wrong
visual stream
If you do ever get surrounded, shoving on one side and quickly turning to smack the other side can be helpful
Still dodge in between though
spare talon
quasi marsh
Basically
unborn bridge
ok, i'm going to play guys - much obliged the conversations
sterile basalt
but plasteel upgrade 80-100? sure no problem
Plasteel is more important than diamantine
unborn bridge
been talking about fotf for an hour now
unborn bridge
ok that explains what i see other players doing
quasi marsh
Rinse and repeat (until specialists come) lmao
quasi marsh
This is just for normal enemies
Obv when trapper or dog shows up you gotta time the dodge or push
sterile basalt
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1252364856418369556...
Ur lucky game didn’t spawn flamer in that wave
spare talon
can u block a dog?
No, you can push one tho
unborn bridge
with some timing
sterile basalt
can u block a dog?
You can push hound & burster
spare talon
You can push dogs and burster from quite a distance
median steeple
ah it's so nice to be blinded by the bandai shit
unborn bridge
back later let me try this fotf build
spare talon
Burster you'd want to dodge away after a push, but that ends up being the ideal way to deal with them if you can't shoot them before they close the distance
unborn bridge
ty
sterile basalt
dodging
Dodge also depends on weapon
Thunder hammers unfortunately have very low dodge count & distance
south folio
the game cheats in your favor whenever you're pushing a pouncing dog or leaping burster by giving you a push with a larger radius
visual stream
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1252364856418369556...
The sniper staring at you like 
south folio
e.g., you might have noticed that you've pushed pouncing dogs or leaping bursters without a hitmarker showing up sometimes
visual stream
Man knife is such a silly weapon
lethal lance
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1252364856418369556...
am I counting 14 stamina?
spare talon
The sniper staring at you like <:doobah:1056087225072353331>
Such a stupid video
Me sitting on a corner with 1000 crushers bulwarks and a chaos spawn all swinging at me and I'm just going
south folio
am I counting 14 stamina?
he's an insane person
visual stream
I LOVE BLOCKING AND SPRINTING 
spare talon
Because the point is
I won't need hp or toughness if I'm not getting hit
Plus push attacks with knife are good
Very good
quasi marsh
Such a stupid video
Me sitting on a corner with 1000 crushers bulwarks and a cha...
That chaos spawn helped you
Chucked you outbof the elevator lmao
Reminds me of when I purposely got eaten
By a bon
To get spat out over a huge horde
spare talon
Chucked you outbof the elevator lmao
I was only on that spot cuz his fat ass blocked the entire doorway
Next time eat a salad
visual stream
Lucky y'all, mutants and such always throw me into fire or hordes 
spare talon
Lucky y'all, mutants and such always throw me into fire or hordes <:SAD:81745617...
I've had a chaos spawn grab me anyway after a proper dodge to the right, beast vomits on me while I'm held, he tosses me, beast grabs me out of mid air and eats me, walks to a corner and sits there while a crusher just slams me repeatedly while I'm in its stomach till I'm dead
visual stream
Chaos spawn loves grabbing through dodges
I think it's evil that enemies can target you while you're being held
vestal pine
Lucky y'all, mutants and such always throw me into fire or hordes <:SAD:81745617...
muties grabbing you into a already active firepit
visual stream
When the chaos spawn grabs you and the gunner is still mowing you for 10 seconds straight
vestal pine
I think it's evil that enemies can target you while you're being held
gunners laying down close quarters fire while you are being held by mutie
(you are 2 inches away from them)
spare talon
I think it's evil that enemies can target you while you're being held
It's so stupid
Yes that bruisers dinky little mace can deal full damage to me through 5 feet of infested demon flesh
visual stream
It feels like it's a bug because of how inconsistent it happens, and how it used to never happen at all iirc
Hate bruisers
calm salmon
I think it's evil that enemies can target you while you're being held
Don't get held. Shrimply that easy.
spare talon
Yes the fire grenade on the ground deals full damage to me as I'm being held 8 feet above it
calm salmon
https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-25177956
visual stream
The amount of bruisers that just don't play flank attack noises is obnoxious
spare talon
The amount of bruisers that just don't play flank attack noises is obnoxious
Also those that decide to make you schizo
vestal pine
Yes the fire grenade on the ground deals full damage to me as I'm being held 8 f...
its called roasted
visual stream
I hate the conscious decision to substitute the consistency of flank attack noise for a random groan or yell
Why did shart fark do that
visual stream
Also those that decide to make you schizo
I have a clip where the noise played like 6 times no exaggeration
vestal pine
visual stream
Worst of all while a boss was aggrod on me
calm salmon
The amount of bruisers that just don't play flank attack noises is obnoxious
Darktide's audio has been broken since release.
Are you actually upset by it at this point, or do you just sigh in consternation.
visual stream
I have a clip where the noise played like 6 times no exaggeration
It was 4 acktchually
unborn bridge
just finished fotf game...that's how zealot should play.! thunder hammer everywhere
visual stream
just finished fotf game...that's how zealot should play.! thunder hammer everyw...
Yesss 
Which hammer you use?
unborn bridge
ironhelm mainly because i'm 26 and only avialable in my inv
i don't think i've tried crucis yet
visual stream
Both very fun
unborn bridge
i was mauling beast of nurgle with it
like hit and 20% health off mauling
i think though for quickplay i'll go with vet with voice of command
fleet zealot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1252483127943888907...
this clip got my blood pressure up
fleet zealot
i'm gonna have a heart attack
fleet zealot
was it the bomb-> BoN tail whip->BoN trail landing next to you ->tailwhip or dreg bruiser?
fleet zealot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1252483127943888907...
okay so i think there is a bug where things that aren't supposed to make that noise are making the noise when next to players
that's my theory
the greenfire triggered it
visual stream
was it the bomb-> BoN tail whip->BoN trail landing next to you ->tailwhip or dre...
Do bombs trigger the melee flank noise? I never noticed if they do
fleet zealot
Do bombs trigger the melee flank noise? I never noticed if they do
they shouldn't, but that's my guess as to what happened, it's a bug or something
visual stream
Could be it, and I know sometimes the audio will inexplicably use "flank" audio for something that's on-screen too
spare talon
this clip got my blood pressure up
Yeah you also were aware of what my health/buffs were like at during that
Which explains exactly why I responded so strongly
Oh wait I recall holy rev not being active there
Either way, not keen on losing to 1 bruiser
fleet zealot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92TZBzM9Pg8 why is this song feel so GOOD
i feel like i'm being drained of a nostalgia I didn't know I had
maiden path
oooghgh scottish driller
fleet zealot
oooghgh scottish driller
no beard
misty nova
SCOOOOOTLAND
maiden path
what about this
fleet zealot
he is SCOTTISh
no beard
maiden path
aoough so swag
maiden path
bare chin, bare neck
it is a BEARD
fleet zealot
it is a BEARD
denial
maiden path
your attempt at loopholes in the facial hair recognition area is invalid
fleet zealot
your attempt at loopholes in the facial hair recognition area is invalid
ok gnome/halfling
vestal pine
invsible horde
yet at least the last one was kinda real
vestal pine
first man in history to try and say this isnt a beard
what do you call this beard again
fleet zealot
first man in history to try and say this isnt a beard
mutton chops at best
vestal pine
i barely play this game
i played a lot before my save file got bricked
vestal pine
well
not so much as bricked
as in unplayable
but my modded cosmetics keep changing on me
so i just dropped the game
save file corrupted
i have
still no fucking idea how did that happen
maiden path
https://tenor.com/view/%C3%A9owyn-i-am-no-man-no-man-lord-of-the-rings-lotr-gif-...
also fuck u, u have no say in what a beard is then!!
maiden path
das why i said lemmy style..
too bad no one can do it anymore...
its not the 1800s anymore
hushed knoll
This needs to be microwaved a bit more
ivory marlin
i love statuses
hushed knoll
ICE NO
left iron
STAN YES
fleet zealot
STAN
left iron
fleet zealot
Hi Banut
OHHH FUCK
fine
you know what
people were thinking antifd was some secret antifa codeword
fleet zealot
misty mason
This needs to be microwaved a bit more
aw stan, did your cat throw up?
fleet zealot
i'm breaking down sobbing rn
ivory marlin
<:GatorHUH:1012628924435546152>
Hi skelly
lusty turtle
hello
ivory marlin
How goes
left iron
misty mason
How are the elite forces taking to being cooped?
misty mason
Must be nice not having to worry about foxes
lusty turtle
Fate worse than death
its honestly very tragic, i don't think i'll ever recover
left iron
My condolences
misty mason
Its OK it only takes Stan trying to type his name once to get a new Stan Name Generator name
ivory marlin
goin aight, me n a friend cooping startrek elite forces atm
Nice nice
misty mason
What date is patch?
north sedge
25
misty mason
Cool beans
hushed knoll
aw stan, did your cat throw up?
DAN NO
hushed knoll
its honestly very tragic, i don't think i'll ever recover
Wait when did you become Ice
left iron
hushed knoll
What
lusty turtle
when you named me like 5 minutes ago
hushed knoll
I did?
misty mason
hushed knoll
Oh fuck
lusty turtle
left iron
hushed knoll
Do not take notes
misty mason
You got deposited Skelly
lusty turtle
left iron
'Accidentally'
misty mason
hushed knoll
NO NOTES
spare talon
@hushed knoll you need to learn how to tame this power of yours
Lest it bring ruin to the server
left iron
Rate my new combo 
spare talon
I have no chair
It's still out of control
left iron
spare talon
It's getting worse
misty mason
I am not convinced that Stan isn't just like Chat GPT v.001 that has been trained on a shitty food tumblr
left iron
misty mason
DownuNDer
hushed knoll
Ice you’ve reached your cat stare limit
misty mason
Why an Australian mum stan?
spare talon
Another casualty
misty mason
I assume its a fetish
hushed knoll
Cuz I saw an aside to mom Plainfield DnD once and u thought I whey cut
What the fuck home
Phone
I saw
An Australian mom
Playing DnD once
I thought it was cute
left iron
That was dangerously close to strike 3
hushed knoll
DAN NO
spare talon
I thought it was cute
Stan is into being called a cunt while role-playing in a fantasy setting
buoyant pewter
The second eviscerator gives me executioner’s sword vibes and I am really with it